The Latin Mass & Correcting the Pope w/ Msgr Charles Pope

[@catholicmama1572]

Just throwing it out there, when we went to our FSSP parish before we moved they were the nicest, most welcoming group I have ever met in my life. There was a sincere outreach to welcome our family immediately and really take us under wings and include us. Never did we encounter a rude or overbearing “trad Catholic” at our time at Latin mass parishes!

[@truthangel5948]

Same here

[@treeroofgrass]

i have. they pretty much spit in my face saying I have less grace because I go to novus ordo, and that we’re inferior. So I’ve distanced myself from them.

[@lonniestoute8762]

I experienced ridicule because I did not wear a suit jacket. I had slacks and sleeves, but no tie or jacket. I would have worn tie and jacket but my friend who invited me would not loan me one of his. I don't condemn all TLM for this. Most of those causing division are podcast warriors who can't produce " fruit " in their own parish . They play nice with their priest and Bishops and those who attend TLM Yet get on the net and slander , divide, detract, and gossip.

[@stevebrown8368]

@@lonniestoute8762 this. I have seen it.

[@johnholmes9801]

@@lonniestoute8762 I’m so sorry for that experience as I believe that most are not insulting or standoffish as they had to have been in the same boat when they attended Latin Mass for the first time.

[@sophiapostma4057]

I've been exclusively attending the tlm for a few months now, and I love it so much. It revived my faith, and I love it more every time I go. I have memorized many of the prayers, and I understand much of it as if latin was my first language. I wish everyone could have a parish as beautiful and united as mine, it's truly been a gift from God. I hope that I can raise my future family in this parish and show them the importance of a strong Catholic community.

[@CarolineKitchen-jd3cg]

Amen

[@SedContraApologia]

I want to make a quick shout out to Matt for really working hard to be super respectful with eye contact. Many hosts of other shows don’t even listen to their guests and are playing on their laptop or looking at the chat or whatever.. it’s just a nice thing to show respect to others when they speak

[@TP-om8of]

A lot of them are writing emails or playing Candy Crush.

[@DeannaWillistonOFS]

A lot of them don’t have staff to moderate the chats; please be charitable.

[@bigal3248]

If only Common Courtesy was more common..

[@evansmith2018]

What is the purpose of the live chat for a respectable channel like PwA? It attracts a lot of radical and uncharitable people and distracts the host from the guest. Why not just take questions from Patrons or Twitter or something? It would also give them the chance to polish up the video afterwards instead of doing it live.

[@lonelyberg1808]

@@TP-om8of ahaha

[@junevendetti2850]

I agree with Msgr. Pope, in that making the N.O. more reverent, (Ad Orientem, communion rails, keeping the Sanctuary holy just for the priests, deacons, & altar boys, by moving the Ambo outside the Sanctuary, if having Laity do the readings, etc). We must keep sanctity in our worship.

[@choreomaniac]

But the only way that will happen is if people experience it in the TLM. I am with Benedict and believe that the two forms can organically grow closer.

[@room2327]

I noticed you mentioned altar “boys”-any suggestions for the parishes who have bowed to the feminists, and now have altar girls? Secondly, there is nothing more cringeworthy than having to endure laity who cannot pronounce half of the readings should they include Old Testament names and places.

[@rosemarylogan9738]

I agree with Matt that more people now want to attend a Latin Mass. I do!!!! Ro

[@nickhope21]

We attended Mass at the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrement in Hanceville AL. It was a Novus Or do but celebrated ad orientum with some Latin and we received the Eucharist at the altar rail.

[@pastorpeteonthestreet3112]

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian. Salvation from sin is by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed in Scripture alone, to the Glory of God alone. The cult of Rome preaches a false gospel that will condemn you to Hell. Escape as I did, over 25 years ago.

[@beautifulspirit7420]

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 full of love as usual. This is why when I found Christ I became Catholic and not Protestant. I will pray for you friend 🙏 ❤

[@andychurray9671]

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 😅🤦‍♂️😳✌️

[@frjohn413]

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 "Will condemn you to Hell." As a convert to Catholicism and a Catholic priest, I pity the demonstrated ignorance in your statement. Clearly you don't understand Catholicism, especially the Eucharist and how utterly Christian (and biblical) it is. You can't get more Christocentric than the Eucharist. I will pray to God that He will enlighten you with his grace..

[@paulbrandel5980]

Nick Hope you have a cool name and thanks for your comments brother in Christ.

[@arikawithana3023]

I have been so blessed to find a parish that offers not only the traditional mass, but offers the new mass ad orientem, altar rail, etc!

[@maryodonnell6853]

❤

[@russellvaline344]

I know this was recorded a while back, but I think the Traditional Latin Mass unifies Catholics, in the Novis Ordo,they have Spanish Mass, Vietnamese Mass ect, but in Latin Mass we all have a missal in our vocabulary, you go out in the courtyard after Mass and people ares speaking Spanish and other Languages, but during Mass we are one Universal Church.

[@MexAm120902]

All Muslims use Arabic in their services. That helps to unite them as Muslims.

[@ashwith]

Please have Msgr. Charles Pope on the show more often on other topics as well. He has these excellent courses on the Catechism at the ICC. He's a wonderful teacher!

[@JimCvit]

Yes!!! Oh how I miss him on the radio. He's so good!

[@williammanhire4424]

Yes please

[@michaelshelbysuberlak]

I grew up in a Black parish and I frankly don't like the double standard for African Americans. They need the reverence and formation of the Traditonal Latin Mass too. It strikes me as condescending to act as if Black Americans couldn't possibly relate to a mass that is not totally protestantized to imitate a Baptist Service. I grew up with that stuff, and I think its the wrong way to go. By the way, none of the black kids I grew up with are still in the Church. They've all gone on to black Protestant churches or nothing at all. And I'm in the TLM, now. Pandering does not work, and hurts the faith. Respectfully Bishop.

[@taylorbarrett384]

The Novus Ordo doesn't look even remotely like a Baptist service. The Novus Ordo includes (1) collectively praying to Mary at every Mass, (2) collectively calling the Eucharist a sacrifice at every Mass, etc

[@beautifulspirit7420]

@@taylorbarrett384 I think it can depend how it is celebrated, I was a parishioner in a predominantly Black Catholic parish. It was the white liberal leadership that ripped out everything traditional and centred a gospel choir (this happened before I arrived). There was liturgical dance and centering of the rainbow flag etc. Although Black parishioners remained, many felt alienated by a Catholic parish that totally created a new parish culture. It became gentrified and the local Black Catholic community moved out. This was in the Seattle area. The Church has now shrank substantially in congregation. I was new to the US at the time and it was my local parish so I tried to be faithful but moved on too.

[@stutterstudios4731]

I would appreciate it if Msgr Pope could further explain what he meant.

[@stutterstudios4731]

@@beautifulspirit7420 oof thanks for sharing in detail what happened 😬🤝

[@beautifulspirit7420]

@@stutterstudios4731 the irony is last time I stopped by for a daily Mass a couple of years ago the parish priest was African (apologies for not remembering the country) and was clearly very traditional. I don't think he was enamored by the small altar that was now "in the round" in a relatively small parish Church. All the original interior was completely ripped out before I arrived 25 years before, so probably had the refurb in the early 1990s. The leadership was so proud of it at the time but of course now it's looking dated. That's another advantage to traditional architecture/interiors, they just don't date in the same way.

[@dm-gq5uj]

I went to a wonderful Novus Ordo mass this past weekend, at a beautiful old church. I liked it because, although it was in English, it incorporated many old Catholic traditions - incense, traditional altar boys, ringing the bells, the priest facing the altar. People were given a choice of how they wanted to take Communion - those who wished to take it on the tongue went up the middle aisle, those who preferred taking it on the hand went up the side aisles. It felt very reverent and beautiful. I don't see why the only choices have to be TLM on one hand and felt banners and Father Groovy on the other.

[@sandraelder1101]

Exactly!

[@cindyvelasquez1958]

God bless you, you attend this Holy Mass.

[@room2327]

Be thankful that you are given the option regarding how to receive Our Lord. I have experienced Eucharistic Ministers who felt people “need to keep their nasty tongues in their mouths.”😔

[@aadamy]

I like the positive nature of this talk and looking forward to what we can actually do. Thank you for giving me hope toward more unity and perhaps more of the sacred within the Novus Ordo.

[@annedwards5786]

I really appreciate this talk. Thank you both for your level headedness and ability not to judge but rather discuss ....and not condemn. So refreshing. When I get back to Facebook (don't have on my phone - purposely) - I can't wait to share!!

[@ramonamontayne8156]

I wouldn't call myself a "traditionalist;" I simply love Latin Mass. It is incredibly beautiful and I walk out of mass with a more God oriented mind set. I was raised in a small town in the mid-70's and didn't hear mass in English until I was 14 years old. I still understand Latin mass "better" than in the vernacular. It speaks to my heart, my soul and I won't give that up.

[@chomperthefirst533]

Amen!

[@chomperthefirst533]

@@carolynkimberly4021 You sound adversarial.

[@zturners3838]

@CarolynKimberly. Your statements are what led Pope Francis to make his statement. Both forms are Masses that bring Jesus Christ to us in the Eucharist. Please don't judge my participation or response to God based on your experiences. It's really hurtful and brings disunity. Either we trust the Holy Spirit in all parts of the Mass in any form or the RCC is a fraud.

[@germain1947]

@@carolynkimberly4021 Well said! I was thinking the same thing.. I will not buy into this modernistic heresy that Pope Pius X fought so hard against... What a strong man he was.. A Great Pope...

[@minimachomestead]

Thanks for the shout-out to Saint Agnes in St. Paul, MN! As a life-long parishioner I am thrilled to attend a truly reverent Novus Ordo as well as the beautiful Latin masses offered here!

[@riaoneal8481]

Such a great conversation and spiritually enriching.

[@Wilditellya1]

Monsignor Pope’s catechetical and pastoral heart always shines through. A wonderful man, a fantastic priest, and a thoughtful teacher of the faith. We need as many laymen, priests, and bishops of this nature as we can get!

[@cptsil90221]

I enjoyed hearing Msgr Charles Pope's spiritually matured approach. Treat the pope as a father and open a dialog about the direction he is attempting to give. Bring up the way his direction is being received and how can we all focus on the best approach for the souls of the church.

[@sheetalsilveira9554]

Such a humble man…so so love listening to Monsignor Pope or even reading his articles… Bless him!

[@TacosnZorro]

Rome needs to be less concerned with the Mass of the Ages and more concerned with cleaning up liturgical abuses. If the Pope is fine with the Pachemama nonsense but wants to do this, then we need to question motives.

[@Canisius19]

Bergoglio cannot be taken seriously after the pachomama blasphemy

[@ntmn8444]

That I agree with. There are actually so many weird things out there people need to let go of and the church should not be encouraging, because that’s how you get nonsense intertwined with the holy.

[@therealtoni]

THe Mass is the most important thing.

[@mzarate6288]

God bless you Msgr. Pope and Matt. Thank you for such a thoughtful discussion.

[@cybereye2]

We should listen to Michael Matt’s advice and ‘unite the clans’ as he says. We are under constant spiritual bombardment from Satan. By being antagonistic towards our fellow Christians is not what the apostles told us to do. We should work at building bridges and support each other despite our differences.

[@chomperthefirst533]

Yes to unity! If we want to leave the church and start a new sect, due to differences, I think we would be called Protestants.

[@cybereye2]

@@chomperthefirst533 that is utter bollox!

[@johnnewburn4750]

Or even - in part - BECAUSE of our differences, which makes the church so beautiful! :)

[@lonniestoute8762]

You are correct..the antagonist should be put in their place. For 50+!years these Anti-Vatican II proponents have antagonized the Church and her Popes . Your "unite the clans" is not a movement to unite the Church. It is a movement to unite Anti-Vatican II proponents. Your internet warriors are antagonist who condemn all is us who are not TLM. For 50+ years bro. Stop with the victim mentality .!!! In Peace

[@cybereye2]

@@lonniestoute8762 I was unaware of that. Ty for pointing it out. Although i attend a TLM I also have and will attend NO masses as I believe both are valid and I wish to see both united, not divided. That was my understanding of uniting the clans

[@44esta44]

💖So grateful to hear Msgr. Pope's "take" on the Pope's latest. I don't go the the Latin mass, however, I grew up with it; I prefer speaking in my day to day language. HOWEVER, the Church really doesn't allow receiving communion while kneeling (on paper,yes, not in reality) something I would love to do. I find it more reverent than standing....it slows down the movement of people, etc. The Church has limited the way that the lay people would like to worship. It's a sadness. (I'll leave it at that.)

[@andrewfisher5123]

Just as Mr. Fradd has always remarked about the Byzantine rite, the Charismatic Movement, and other groups that bud in the church: “Do not demand conformity where the Church allows diversity.” That statement rang into my head while watching. If inclusivity is the goal, let it be the universal, outwardly expressed goal.

[@mikazoftstrom2343]

The TLM demands a specific theology and this is what modernists don’t want. It says to God, You are the One to be Worshipped and this is Your sacrifice the only thing that saves. It does not represent communal discourse and worship of our community.

[@raulrovelo5544]

@@mikazoftstrom2343 we are living in very turbulent times. I agree with both of the comments before mine, and I can clearly see the polarization that occurs because of these viewpoints. However, I will say this. For around 23 years, I didn't even know of Byzantine Rites, Ambrosian Rites, Dominican Rites, or any other Rites within the Catholic Church. Much less did I know that there was even a distinction between the NO and TLM. After reading the Pope's Motu Proprio, and how he expressed that the NO is the "unique" expression of the Roman Rite, I can't help but feel that the implications of that statement are somewhat puzzling. How can there be only one expression of the Roman Rite, if the Ambrosian and Dominican Rites still exist? Granted, they are not performed in normal Parish settings, but they are still other liturgical expressions of the Roman Rite. Are they any less valid or legitimate now? Why even allow for the TLM if the NO is the "unique" expression? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of union? As per the first comment, the diversity of the Church SHOULD be celebrated. The way I see it, we have two possible roads ahead of us that were set out because of this Motus Proprio: 1) We start moving forward towards a single expression of the Mass, with no distinction between Rites. Now, this sounds heavy, but if the Church's goal is to manifest Heavenly Worship through the Mass, it would make sense to only have one expression of this Worship (imo). 2) We revert to having different expressions of the Roman Rite due to the inconsistency that would arise with having more than one Rite being expressed on par with the "unique" Roman Rite.

[@mikazoftstrom2343]

@@raulrovelo5544 you are right, there is no such thing as unique expression of the Roman rite and there is only division when one says another is invalid. Each magisterium carries Jesus’ authority, which is eternal, as He is. To say what one pope used as worship to God is invalid, violates the authority granted to them by Christ. That’s why I never felt the NO was invalid, just another rite of the faith. However, it’s communal spirit can easily distract and lead others away from its intended purpose. It doesn’t have to be this way but it is. But to discredit the TLM is to invalidate centuries of authority and worship of God. It also allows for the invalidation of the doctrines that follows from it. This, God I hope I’m wrong, might be what this move is intended to do.

[@pastorpeteonthestreet3112]

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian. Salvation from sin is by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed in Scripture alone, to the Glory of God alone. The cult of Rome preaches a false gospel that will condemn you to Hell. Escape as I did, over 25 years ago.

[@mikazoftstrom2343]

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 I agree with some of what you said except your foolish statement regarding the only earthy authority to interpret the scripture, the RCC. Also salvation is from grace and is maintained through the faith. Therefore only God’s sacrifice saves but obeying all the faith requires maintains the faith. Your statement on the faith as revealed in scripture literally means nothing if interpreted incorrectly. So the Bible alone is nonsense. As there was centuries of Christians before the Bible who managed salvation without the Bible. And if you are correct, which of the 20-30k different interpretations will lead me to salvation? Your interpretation leads to relativism and essentially you become your own authority. That is the first sin. Remember ray the fruit and you will be like God? Man you didn’t escape, you were lead out of God’s true church and became your own church.

[@SarahKrans]

I know this is a year after the original posting. My parish does the very reverent Novus Ordo Mass - with communion rail, Latin, ad orientum, etc. It is a thriving, younger parish. The other parishes in town are more 'modern' - and tend to have an older median age. There's something to be said about the reverence rather than the show (which sometimes feels more like a protestant 'worship' service)

[@Liquidforce360]

Thanks Matt & Msgr Pope. I think you both nailed it with reverence, sacredness, & formal such in dress, but for me it was more than that. All of that, plus the kneeling for communion, but it was also the seriousness of it. We were in the House of God. A whisper by both the priest during consecration, & anyone who would shirk the assumed rule of silence before mass. Formal blessings of Holy Water, medals, candles, etc. vs the sadly quick sign of the cross by most Novus Ordo priest. It points to the grandor & seriousness of our Faith & of Christ, yet always approachable, even during a pandemic, as our traditional priest made sure of.

[@vootee1]

Thank you both for this refreshing interview. Nice to meet Bishop Pope. Always great to see you, Matt!

[@sarahburke8955]

I used to attend Mass at St. Benedict parish in RVA, and Father James Kaufmann did full justice to the Novus Ordo. It was a beautiful, reverent Mass and I will never forget it. We had incense, ad orientum consecration of the Host, and lovely hymns.

[@lgiron6233]

Thanks for the positive discussion on this difficult topic and for introducing me to the Monsignor. I will look for more content from him.

[@Speakers154]

I began going to Latin Mass this year. It was everything I had wished the Novo Ordo would be but knew would never become: reverent, meditative, dignified. My experience of the Novos Ordo was that it has kept becoming ever more changed each year and only in a more crass way. I always felt stressed there at the NO but I experience something sacred again at the Latin mass.

[@lisam731]

What a beautiful conversation. All very true. It begins at home. Thank you and God bless

[@leejennifercorlewayres9193]

The main division is between the people who know the war is happening and the people who do not know the war is happening.

[@vkbowers]

Very well put.

[@kmj2000]

I just can't understand how they don't see it happening.

[@FruitofSilence]

This is a very refreshing and balanced dialogue - in the proper sense. Thank you!

[@attrition71]

Traditional Latin Mass is the most beautiful mass there is. I encourage anyone to go and pay attention to the prayers being said. Absolutely amazing. The other thing is you can learn the latin over time. But it has been documented that even if you are lost, if you just simply *Watch* that counts as 100% participation and is perfectly fine to do!

[@admiralbob77]

The higher forms of the Usus Antiquior is beautiful. I think it takes a great deal of imagination to portray the low mass as so, given it's just spectators watching a dude pray quietly by himself for the most part, while they, in disengaged manner, pray the rosary on their own.

[@kateblue3615]

What a beautiful soul Monsignor Pope is! Very grateful for this nourishment!

[@mrlexima2433]

This is an excellent dialogue Matt and Msgr. Thank you both for doing this.

[@awateredgarden]

This was wonderful. Thank you Monsignor for your encouraging and thoughtful advice on this. It’s made me feel so much better to hear your perspective. I especially liked what you said about ‘if it is of God, it will flourish.’ We need to rest in that.

[@jackboeser8312]

My parish got a shoutout!!! Honestly though, St. Agnes in St. Paul, MN does a wonderful job with celebrating both the TLM as well as a very reverent Novus Ordo. Ad orientem, chant, altar rail, all of it. I'm so blessed to call it my home.

[@pastorpeteonthestreet3112]

Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian. Salvation from sin is by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed in Scripture alone, to the Glory of God alone. The cult of Rome preaches a false gospel that will condemn you to Hell. Escape as I did, over 25 years ago.

[@beautifulspirit7420]

@@pastorpeteonthestreet3112 do you think anyone will be converted by your click and paste unloving comments all over a devoutly Catholic site? Please have more empathy. We will pray for you 🙏

[@EpoRose1]

Who are the “true Christians,” then? The Methodists? The Baptists? The Calvinists? The non-denominational mega-church?

[@beautifulspirit7420]

@@EpoRose1 just @pastorpeteronthestreet

[@angelserrano8361]

Novus Ordo ad orientem??? 😍😍😍 Ok, I think I'm moving to MN lol

[@michellelococo4023]

Thank you Matt, for having one of our best loved Priests. God Bless you both. Thank you Msgr. Pope.

[@jess.e]

Msgr. Pope, you mentioned at one point during the interview that 10 to 15 people show up for the TLM. If you happen to be on the Westside of Manhattan, I want to invite you to my parish (Holy Innocents) to attend the 10:30 TLM on Sundays. You will see a huge crowd packing the balcony and the main level. That includes families with young children making holy noises, veiled women from the youngest to the oldest, and a large and growing number of young men (future priests, please God), in addition to the oldtimers and regulars. We often have up to twelve dedicated altar servers (more future priests). The attendance is reflected in the collection as well. Thank God our bishop has not curtailed or stopped the TLM in this church.

[@berserker9682]

I visited a few parishes, but in my journey to Catholicism, it was the FSSP parish that really made me feel welcome and my spiritual needs were met. Nice, caring and knowledgeable people who have a healthy balance between worship, discipline and celebration. Catholic life as it should be, without this community I would have lost my faith.

[@junevendetti2850]

I'm still trying to make sense of it all! I love the TLM. I made my First Holy Communion when the Latin Mass was still in use. I missed it for many years. I've been attending the Latin rite for the past 3 years. I feel at home! It is the treasure of the Church! We can't get rid of it! Yes! Discussion must be had! The Pope is radically trying to change the Church, & we need to be vocal in expressing our love for the sacred. We have many young families in our community, and it's beautiful to see! I thank God that we have this sacred treasure.

[@janetyoung6097]

He said quote " he want to change the church so your parents and grandparents won't be the Catholic that your grandparents or your parents knew and unrecognizable to them.

[@oliverclark5604]

June, In uncertainty of belief, I believe that one cannot "change" a helper of the family procreation gift role of helpers of the family within the family such as "the Church". One can improve or fail to improve one's family member of a valid and proper marriage identity in need of union (cf, Pope St Paul V1's "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12: marriage has "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation").

[@BindingTheYoke]

Thank you for having Monsignor on, he has such a level headed and thoughtful perspective.. he pretty much solidified my perspective, to give it time for revelation and understanding.

[@carolphillips8802]

"People are just hungering for the sacred"... So well said, Matt.

[@Shawn-nq7du]

I think people are really hungering for a deep prayer life. Mass is the highest form of prayer and the Liturgy of the Hours which sanctifies the day is thee second -- the Mass being like the sun and the rays like the liturgy of the hours. St Paul says one must pray incessantly, pray without ceasing. We hunger for a deep relationship with God. If one has a well disciplined prayer life, then very little will shake a person.

[@michellemorris2676]

I’ve had the chance to go to the Latin Mass a couple of times and have really enjoyed it and found great beauty in it. But I find beauty in the new Mass. But as it’s been pointed out, it’s all about the reverence in how the Mass is conducted.

[@nuriacb7880]

I attend both and I agree that you can find beauty and reverence is both but it is more likely to find good shepherds in the traditional Latin mass. My NO priests abandoned their flock, it was very painful for me being denied the sacraments, all of them. I started attending TLM and... what a difference of attitude from the priest. I am not going back to NO, not because of the mass but because of the priest and like minded community. But I don't have any problem to go to a NO mass if there is not choice.

[@michellemorris2676]

@@carolynkimberly4021 How so? I admit I don’t have a whole lot of experience with the Latin Mad but the only real difference I saw was the difference between being in English and one being in Latin. I have been to Protestant churches and saw nothing of the reverence found in the NO. I am a revert of ten years and returned simply because I had a faithful priest and how he showed reverence in the NO.

[@bngr_bngr]

Some priest are good doing a Mass. Some should do other things as a priest.

[@traceyedson9652]

@@bngr_bngr I’m sure back in the pre-VII days there were bad priests. Read the ancient canons: Most are pointed to the clergy. Old story. Read the OT! Bad priests galore. There is one perfect high priest.

[@dm-gq5uj]

I agree with you, Michelle. I like the TLM, but as I have said elsewhere, I am excited about a church I have found that celebrates the N.O. but in a very reverent way. As someone who grew up in the 70's era of felt banners and folk masses, it was wonderful to find an N.O Mass that did not turn its' back on 2000 years of tradition.

[@marya9039]

Yes, the Communion Rail! Option to stand/kneel, hand/tongue. I belief most choose to kneel, be still and gazing upon the altar, rather than shuffling along in line staring at the neck ahead. Very Nice to have the priest looking at the tabernacle, too!

[@dm-gq5uj]

Many Catholics no longer believe in the Real Presence. I remember a Catholic writer saying that that change began to happen when people started lining up to take Communion in the hand like movie tickets being passed out.

[@TheAmwroble]

I love the church! I too was raised attending the ordinary form but after going to the extrodinary form and other masses where the priest is turned ad orientum plus experiencing receiving communion at an alter rail; I see reforms that must take place in the mass of Paul VI where abuses take place and Jesus in the Eucharist is not treated reverently. The pope should have fixed those things FIRST, making sure reverence was insured. I will goto more Latin masses in the future, so my vote is counted. I don’t think the pope is seeing the real reasons we goto more traditional masses! It’s because we love our Lord and want to see him worshipped and treated with respect!

[@mikethemonsta15]

According to the Catechism, you have a special responsibility to help the Catechesis of confirmands of the parish you belong to. You objectively belong only to the parish community local to you. The priest of that parish is your shepherd. [CCC 1309]"Preparation for Confirmation should aim at leading the Christian toward a more intimate union with Christ and a more lively familiarity with the Holy Spirit - his actions, his gifts, and his biddings - in order to be more capable of assuming the apostolic responsibilities of Christian life. To this end catechesis for Confirmation should strive to awaken a sense of belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ, the universal Church as well as the parish community. ***The latter bears special responsibility for the preparation of confirmands***." So the parish community bears a special responsibility for the preparation of confirmands, specifically because the end of confirmation includes awakening a sense of belonging in confirmands to their particular parish community. The Catholic Church isn't a place to go church shopping. You have a particular responsibility to your local parish for better or worse.

[@TheAmwroble]

Yes in some respects but if your pastor is part of the problem, you have no obligation to attend and put your soul in danger.

[@carolphillips8802]

So far, our Archbishop has taken the cautious line, and is allowing the current three Traditional Mass venues to continue as usual, until further notice. When I first heard the news, however, and mistakenly thought that I could no longer attend the TLM, I decided to go to the Ukrainian Catholic rite. I also decided to request a private, Traditional home Mass. Others from our TLM community have spoken of attending the SSPX Masses. (I'm in Australia.)

[@elainezimmer6084]

I grew up with the Latin Mass. Yes we had English on 1 side of our missals And Latin on the other side.But after Vatican II I experienced the joy Of truly being able to participate As part of the community in the Mass.I wouldn't mind my children Experiencing the Latin mass So they can appreciate what we have now So they can appreciate what we have now as community fully participating In the language we understand And can verbalize from our minds and hearts.

[@room2327]

If your children decide to attend a Latin Mass, encourage them to find a “Sung Mass” (Missa Cantata). The congregation is invited to participate in the responses along with the choir. Very much different from the almost silent Low Mass.

[@SC047074]

Thanks for having him on. The only thing I dont like about this interview is that not everyone will hear it! I was so excited when I saw you had him on

[@ANGELAVITULLI]

I share with Msgr. Pope his grief what's coming from Pope Francis is outrageous. I continue to pray 🙏 and trust in Jesus with all my heart ❤️ ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@LostArchivist]

I deeply desire to save the Extraordinary form of the Mass. I do believe in preserving our tradition and admittedly the morto proprio jabbed me to increase that desire. When I spoke against these things it is primarily because I had many bad experiences with what I have seen over time is the fringe. All this said, I intend to be obedient as humility is the paving on the way of virtue. We do what ought and leave the rest to God. I went to a latin Mass but it was ordinary form. It did little for me to be honest. I also recently attended what I believe to be my first questionable Novus Ordo Mass. If people have regularly experienced that, I can understand why they are wary. I think the best course of action may be to seek the best of both forms and find what the Mass should have been since Vatican II. I have no idea how to go about that. But God has permitted this for what must be a very important reason. Above all, do not leave the Church over this, schism is a mortal sin. The seas are rougher than they have been for some time, do not jump overboard from the ark, it is spiritual suicide.

[@sandraelder1101]

A lot of us Novus Ordo Catholics love the various rites and do not want any of them abrogated. We also long for a reform of the N.O.

[@edwardmcauliffe9050]

In my experience, in New Orleans, the few Latin Masses are very well attended on a weekly/monthly basis. Don’t know how you don’t ha e those Masses in the parish church. Unworkable. This is insanity.

[@melodiekirby3468]

You 2 gentlemen have very cogently and tactfully addressed our TLM concerned reactions & "covered all the bases" in this interview, and brought The Holy Spirit's wisdom and counsel and grace to review of "Motu Proprio." Definitive bottom line is if sacred Mass, humility, kneeling for reception of Holy Communion on the tongue, as children fed by the Father, as Pope Benedict and PJPII and 1500 yrs.' consistent practice. Thank you for the "existence of multiple rites has prevailed" & "unjust law" consideration. Marian prayers for observation of fruitfulness and reason and justice of Pope(s) & clergy & Faithful.

[@11antun]

I pray for all that are hurting by this Document😢 All of us hurt!

[@j2muw667]

Wonderfully, I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s with an old school priest who rebuilt communion rails, had only boy alter servers, and men on the alter. He was the only one distributing communion to everyone kneeling at the rail (on occasion he had men who had attended seminary, and left as deacons also help distribute communion) He never turned back to ad orientum- but did pull parts of the old alter and put it into the main alter. He had rogation mass in the spring, Christmas mass was beautiful with readings singing and lighting candles from an older style of mass. He only allowed girl servers in the 90’s when someone complained to the bishop, and he complied to his bishops orders. So- there were good holy priests trying to have reverent masses throughout history.

[@pl6168]

Those who attempted to retain dignity in the NO were openly persecuted by bishops and/or removed. You were blessed to have a true shepherd.

[@earlduque6149]

The Traditional Mass is a serious way to love God the Father with all our heart, soul, mind and strength in the Divine Will ...

[@truthangel5948]

Totally agree

[@oambitiousone7100]

Monsignor is my favorite part of Our Sunday Visitor newsletter, and he was my favorite when he did morning glory show on EWTN

[@jasonanderson3460]

If you attend a NO Mass, don’t feel like you have to qualify it like it’s shameful. It’s the Ordinary Roman Rite and Christ is made present. You are not a lesser Catholic.

[@AlexofAwesome]

Thank you for the gentle and loving reminder to all. I am someone who prayed deeply for the truth, and I feel the Holy Spirit has led me to Catholicism. The service I go to is in English. I understand the deep love and faithful fervor for the Latin Mass that many have, but there should be special care not to stumble our brothers and sisters, and to treat all with love. I have seen many Sedevacantist claims, some even before I decided I should be Catholic, and perhaps that spirit of pride and division is what the Pope may be trying to address. In any case, our first concern should be to love God and love the children of our Father.

[@Shawn-nq7du]

@@AlexofAwesome Excellent reminder. The most important thing according to our Lord and reiterated by the Apostle Paul is love. The Pope is using his pastoral role and sees that nothing jeopardizes the flock more than a lack of love for one another. We have way too many Pharisees in the Church today. Yes, what some of the Germans are doing is wrong and they have to face God on Judgment day, but the lack of love for one another is more destructive than anything and this is what the devil wants -- to divide the Church. We cannot give him this success. I love tradition, but behind all the beautiful clothing of the Latin Mass is Jesus offering himself to the Father and we as the Church UNITED to Him. This occurs in all the Masses. We must never forget this and lose are love for one another.

[@Shawn-nq7du]

@@frederick3523 This is simply not true. Please cite the articles where this breaks Canon Law. Are you saying that Christ is not present at Novus Ordo Masses? Please tell us how you have discerned this.

[@jasonanderson3460]

@@frederick3523 I’d first question your rhetoric. Saying “most” requires much data and I’d like to see it, specifically which prayers that “most” are omitting. I prefer the practice of communion on the tongue, and would love to see altar rails in all parishes. However, according to Memoriale Domini, communion on the hand is licit. In fact, it was given to the Bishops to determine, and the UCCB allows it. Also, the issue about EMHC is not necessarily illicit because there isn’t a set definition of when it is necessary to use them. I think the wording is, when the Priest, Deacon, or Bishop deem it necessary.

[@jasonanderson3460]

@@frederick3523 Here’s the actual quote from the USCCB (note where the quote the GIRM) “In every celebration of the Eucharist, there should be a sufficient number of ministers of Holy Communion so that it may be distributed in a reverent and orderly manner. Bishops, priests and deacons distribute Holy Communion in virtue of their office as ordinary ministers of the Body and Blood of the Lord. When the size of the congregation or the incapacity of the bishop, priest, or deacon requires it, the celebrant may be assisted by other bishops, priests, or deacons. If such ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are not present, "the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, i.e., duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been deputed for this purpose. In case of necessity, the priest may also depute suitable faithful for this single occasion (GIRM 162)."

[@vanessajm679]

Here's the thing, as a child my grandparents attended an SSPV, sedevacantist parish, while my parents were part of the Roman Catholic Church and I was baptized into the RCC. We suffered SO much abuse at the hands of those priests, and my grandparents solely in the name of their offshoot church. When my mom had cancer, one of their priests literally said it would be better for me if she died so they could basically take control and make sure I wasn't exposed to the "demonic novus ordo". What they did caused so much pain, and I still have scars to this day. I think we have to be careful because I've seen a tendency for traditionalists to take a position of self-righteousness and look down on the novus ordo or the people who attend.

[@robins2400]

Key words: Hungering for the sacred

[@josephzammit6396]

I’m publishing a weekly KZbin video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you

[@MrGoodwell]

I love the point that came forward from this discussion. How do we bring the rites together? Especially with incorporating solutions to the very real problems that faced the pre-conciliary church. Brandon Vogt and Bishop Barron think this is the task of our generation. How do we implement Vatican II in a holistic and reverant way? I think they're right. Oh, guest idea: Brandon Vogt!

[@Ryan-nv3dz]

I’ll be honest. Before I came back to the church I was going to and Eastern Orthodox Church. Looking into there arguments. I hate to say it but there arguments against the pope seem much more powerful now than they did a year ago. This has shaken me a little. I’m starting to wonder if I made the right decision coming back to the Catholic Church instead of converting to Eastern Orthodoxy.

[@alexandrapotroghir6316]

you were right to come back home to the Catholic Church, the one who holds the entore truth. The Pope is not the Church and even if it seems difficult, have trust in God. He will not let anyone destroy it, not even a pope. Have faith!

[@Ryan-nv3dz]

@@alexandrapotroghir6316 thanks. I really hope they leave our church alone. My children go to a Babtist church but they love coming to the Latin mass with me. It’s just so wonderful going on precessions with my daughter and seeing them pray. They really seem to love it and it’s my favorite time of the week. Going to the Latin Mass with my kids.

[@David-nl8pw]

Bishop Athanasius Schneider was asked in an interview recently: what do you think about this temptation to become Orthodox? "It is very false, because becoming Orthodox is worse than becoming sedevacantist. Because they reject the faith, the dogma of the primacy of Peter. This is a Gospel truth, it is a truth of dogma. Sedevacantism does not reject the dogma, it only declares, in an arbitrary way, the seat of Peter vacant, but this is unrealistic. The Orthodox, however, reject the dogma, and for this reason we cannot go in that direction, even to have a beautiful liturgy. You know that the Orthodox Church admits divorce. Do you want to have a church with divorce? You can get married, even in church, in the Orthodox Church: a second time, a third time. But only three times, not four. The second marriage, and perhaps the third, is called a penitential marriage. The rite is penitential: the father blesses couples who are de facto adulterers, with a somewhat penitential rite. So it’s a contradiction, and it’s very serious. There is no clear magisterium on contraception either, there is no universal magisterium. So it is problematic. The Orthodox Church has many values, I have many Orthodox friends, even bishops and priests and faithful, they have good values, a liturgy, sacredness, humility, reverence, fasting, penance, and that is good. But that is not all. " I think you mentioned in your other post that you came back to the Church through the Latin Mass. I go to an ICKSP Latin Mass myself. If yours is taken away I would consider the SSPX. Bishop Athanasius was the official observer of the SSPX for the Vatican and he says they're fine to go to.

[@Ryan-nv3dz]

@@David-nl8pw I’ve looked into the SSPX. There is one In my area. It might be an option. Thanks

[@briandelaney9710]

@@David-nl8pw that’s very charitable 🙄

[@catholicrakelle]

So grateful for these conversations.

[@annedwards5786]

Lol, love it!! Thank you for the prayer

[@elainegoolsby9902]

More and more people are coming to the Latin Mass. I drive an hour, one way, to go to this beautiful, holy Mass. The women dress modestly, and are veiled, even the young girls, the men dress like gentlemen, not all are in suits and ties, but dress shirts and pants. That's fine, but jeans, shorts, immodest dresses, beach wear, you don't see. Latin is a sacred language, it's beautiful and if you don't know what's happening, or understand, when you first go, just watch, be reverent, listen, and learn. I found, from the very beginning, that the old members were very willing to help, and were loving and friendly. Of course there are always people, everywhere you go, that don't reach out to new people. Some people are shy, and some not outgoing, but don't take it personally.❤️🙏🌹🤗❤️

[@benhutchinson9808]

What a wonderful priest.

[@adipoem]

Pope Francis is what brought me back to the church but the Latin mass is why I stayed. I'm very fortunate to live close to a church that does a Latin mass. I find the English mass boring and light. The Latin mass is beautiful and sublime. I really feel it when I attend a Latin mass.

[@bbstar7970]

What happened to when I could travel all over the USA and Canada, Europe etc and the mass was exactly the same…..

[@truthangel5948]

So true. The TLM is universal the NO not so.

[@gerryrepash6706]

In the Anglican Use Rite, if there is no altar rail you reserve the two front pews with the kneelers down and the people use those to receive communion on their knees.

[@Teamfra]

Monsignor Pope is so clear, wise and charitable. 👏🏻❤️🙏🏻it’s important to get some perspective.

[@pattiday431]

I'm very fond of Monsignor Pope. He has been like a spiritual director for me, even though we haven't met in person. He's gentle yet outspoken on issues that concern Catholics on both sides, and it is sides unfortunately. My preference is for the Latin Mass, but we were unable to sustain it in our parish. Also, I'm concerned about the viability of my parish, especially during and since the lockdown, and possibly going forward with the probability of more masking. This interview was very encouraging and I hope it causes me to think before I react.

[@dymphnatherese2595]

Fr. Chad Ripperger has a video with Dr. Taylor Marshall on the differences between what is mystically happening in the Novos Ordo and the TLM. He regards the Novos Ordo as valid, but expresses that there are three things occurring in the two masses that are the same but one factor that remains infinitely superior by the nature of Christ's personal action that is unique to the TLM and based on the holiness of the priest himself in the Novos Ordo. I'll try to find a link but I cannot express the vitality of this information enough for the sake of the church and our Lord's sacrifice.

[@btbbtb2863]

Can you link please?

[@dymphnatherese2595]

I attempted twice and both posts vanished after posting. It's easily searchable, though. Just type "Fr. Ripperger Taylor Marshall" in in KZbin and click the video that has "Latin Mass" in the title. May God bless you all

[@taffyr2242]

That I would be very interested in watching 🤔

[@pl6168]

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[@pl6168]

@@taffyr2242 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4bTpKWNbpWofbM

[@judithbarton9410]

thankyou. im encouraged greatly and less disheartened.

[@lvlc5]

I liked this conversation, 41:18 Right on point... We need to trust the Holy Spirit... 41:28 Many people jumped to conclusions not even read carefully not even gave some space to think and analyze and act appropriately.... many people did as he said before the action just give some space to the Holy Spirit to answer you what to make of it.... Trust, trust the Lord.. 57:10 beautifully said...59:51 MORE BEAUTIFUL!

[@syfkog5236]

It seems to me...the bishops had discretion on what Masses were said before the motu proprio and they have discretion now.

[@GZArtur0]

Hey Matt, have you recently changed your view of the TLM?

[@livingstranger]

Wow, extremely encouraging

[@mbtvalli]

So glad you have this discussion with Msgr. Pope. I’ve appreciated his talks at ICC.

[@carissahanson9887]

I actually love father Richard H that’s what I started watching him and father Frank Pavone during the lockdown and help me come back to the church I’m still not the perfect person as it comes to my face but I love the mass and the Latin mass is beautiful I got to do some of thoseOperations when they were offered later in the day just beautiful even when we had special masses I think I would like to do more

[@Mike-qc8xd]

I have only known the Nova Ordo but in my 11 years as a Catholic I have rarely seen it done the same way and it always lacks a degree of reverence. I watched Father Kirby perform recently and from that I learned how reverent it can be i want that mass.

[@chinrys06]

Perform? You mean celebrate?

[@demtron]

@@chinrys06 Yes Farther Kibry does celebrate but I have been to some churches where perform is the correct term.

[@demtron]

I love Farther Kirby. If you haven't check out his bible study course. He is moving slowly through the Bible each week, but it is awesome. I have never learned so much, and he points out things that I have missed or never thought of. It will be a year this September and we are still on the first book. (Genesis.)

[@treeroofgrass]

Yup! I prefer novus ordo done correctly.

[@chrismason8476]

It is wrong to call it the "Latin Mass" - it should be called by its true name which is the "Extraordinary Form". Vatican II says Latin is the norm for Mass and the Ordinary Form can be said or sung all in Latin - and the Ordinary Form can also be said facing East. The Extraordinary Form is intimate - the Ordinary Form of the Mass was never about the rejection of the Extraordinary Form - it was always about bringing the intimacy of the Extraordinary Form to the faithful.

[@Phrigmeat]

How is it that in all the myriad posts in all forms of social media that I’ve seen, there has not been a single one that has considered asking, “What might the Holy Spirit be saying through Christ’s representative on earth?” Every one I’ve seen has used a tantalizing headline like this one. Can we maybe do better than that, Church?

[@justinjustinjustin10]

I'm with ya

[@claymcdermott718]

The way you seem to be interpreting the Pope, as an oracle of God, is not the Catholic view.

[@justinjustinjustin10]

@@claymcdermott718 the Holy Spirit can speak through anyone and / or use anyone. The pope or anyone.

[@Phrigmeat]

@@claymcdermott718 No you are misreading me. I know how the papacy works. I just think that maybe when the successor of Peter makes a pastoral decision for his Church, our immediate stance should be one of humble consideration rather than jumping straight to “How do we correct the pope?”

[@mariacortez5931]

Why are some traditional priest saying that to go to novous ordo mass is a sin or it is wrong? How can they say that? That is wrong. They confused people. This is something that I heard in other video. Can you answer this question? Maybe this is why the pope has put restrictions.

[@rizzogizzo6000]

As a former Protestant, Rad Trads have the rep that Calvinists have in Protestantism. But I know all these groups to have beautiful people. The internet is a just a gangsta place to live. 😂

[@christophergarza3714]

Excellent! Thank you for your faithfulness Matt. Also, I'm still bobbing my head...where did you find this great beat?

[@Tabatista281178]

Here’s the issue with the Novus Ordo, Vatican II suggested a reform should be done, to include, for example, the vernacular language, the modernists took the chance to completely reshape the rites, and believe me, abuses are the norm, not exceptions

[@bredatheakston8977]

I usually enjoy your conversations and I really do appreciate the work you are doing (you can hear the ‘but’ coming can’t you?) …But in this case I really wanted to hear more about the differences between the forms of Masses, and why those differences matter. What’s the point of the Mass? Does what it looks like or the language (that Jesus did not speak except officially, in Roman occupied land) make a difference to the substance? Can a Latin mass be said irreverently? Can a vernacular Mass be said reverently? How was mass said before it’s acceptance in the Roman Empire? Why (as in what were the abuses or limitations in the traditional Latin style, and what benefits were the bishops in the second Vatican council hoping for by changing the forms of the Mass) were the changes to the new form made? I’ve lived through both forms of the Mass and I wish this conversation had included something on the reasons/benefits of each form. Also, some consideration of the cultural signifiers that are operating here rather than spiritual ones? Jesus was very critical of people who put form before function. It’s worth considering whether our attachment to a particular form is a blindness to or even a violation of the point. In short I’d like to have heard more of substance. Maybe you will invite someone on who can speak to the relationship between how Mass is done (and was done in the long and more recent past) and what it signifies? Thank you!

[@room2327]

Excellent question! I am not an expert, just a lay person. I have been attending Latin Mass since the Covid lockouts, because they DID NOT shut the doors. When I went back to Novus Ordo to fulfill a holy day obligation with some grandchildren, I was shocked at how much was “missing” from the liturgy. The Bugnini Mass removed so many of the beautiful prayers of sacrifice so as to make it more acceptable to Protestants. The prayers offered do make a difference.

[@speakerscornerbestbits]

Far too many people are missing the point on this issue and are simply romanticising a language. Church Tradition is to obey Church Councils which as Catholics we believe are guided by the Holy Spirit. The Church has bent over backwards to accommodate followers of TLM only for them (the 'Latins') to start using phrases such as 'the true church' to describe themselves and to deny the authority of a Church Council (Vatican II). Pope Francis is very clear that he is following Vatican II and that he is trying to avoid having two churches - we are one Universal Church! If we dismiss Vatican II we might as well abandon all previous Church Councils, invite Arianism and other heresies back into the Church and go back to the Jewish dietary laws. Support His Holiness and pray for unity!

[@artifexdei3671]

the 'two churches' were brought on by rebellious generation and lazy baby boomers in 1960s where holy smokes they could no longer take church's liturgy and teachings and they had to invent something of their own - novus ordo mass, that is so inspiring as watching paint dry. faithful catholics know this was all done to appease rebellious generation during that time. now with this crowd in their 70s and 80s is fighting tooth and nail to cling on to their misguided council.

[@yvescallahan2103]

Hey Joe, please look at your hands, now look at your fingers. Notice who different each are from each other, even though they belong to one hand. That is how God looks at all of us with our unique differences and feeds us in the way each one needs to be fed; to unite us to himself! Love without respect is fake love!

[@speakerscornerbestbits]

@@artifexdei3671 How can a properly constituted Church Council guided by the Holy Spirit be misguided? This is the problem with TLM, they want to throw out belief in the guidance of the Holy Spirit just to support their position.

[@speakerscornerbestbits]

@@yvescallahan2103 I'm afraid you miss the real part of the analogy; ONE body, ONE universal Catholic Church. A house divided cannot stand. True love is sacrificial love and it means that sometimes we have to tell it like it is rather than being worried that we might upset someone's sensibilities (although I of course agree that we should try wherever possible not to upset sensibilities).

[@artifexdei3671]

@@speakerscornerbestbits question is: how much Holy Spirit is in Vatican 2? based on what followed after vatican 2 it appears there's very little Holy Spirit. it looks there was a lot of interference by the forces of darkness and it's carried for decades afterwards. it looks like v2 went off the rails.

[@Vigula]

When you say formality, what you really mean to say is sacred ceremony. God bless, A

[@AstonishingStudios]

1:00:51 God speed 😎

[@pinknickelvidz]

I agree with a previous pope, "Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies." Anyone (since it ended) can lay claim to interpreting the elusive, so called, "Spirit of Vatican II" and then later rhetorically, theologically misappropriate and stretch its vagaries beyond what it was in its original dynamics & documents; not to ignore participants' motives & intrigues, forever...after the fact which is now nearly six decades. I'm nearly at the end of my seventh decade of life. I was baptized R. Catholic in 1979 in my early 20s. What a ride this has been as an observer of a long-standing civil war since Vat II inside this man-made confusions of followers against followers of Our Church! God Bless Bishop Sheen, who converted me via his rerun shows while I was living as an only child (6 to 16) in an atheist-intellectual, materialist home. Jesus is Lord! May the Holy Spirit speak to the hearts of Catholics and provide discernment.

[@kimfleury]

3 Hail Marys for the Monseñor 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻 and for Matt that this channel may be for the Lord's work 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻📿✝️

[@demtron]

In some churches, it is not possible for the priest to face the tabernacle because the tabernacle is not located in the main church but resides in an adoration chapel.

[@taylorbarrett384]

The NO is the Mass of the Church and it includes (1) praying to Mary (cf, "therefore I ask blessed Mary ever Virgin to pray for me.."), (2) calling the Eucharist a sacrifice (cf, "may the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands.."), etc.. I've been to thousands of NO masses, across the entire country, and I've never seen it celebrated without reverence

[@sielsounds]

I think this may hinge on your definition of "reverent"

[@taylorbarrett384]

@@sielsounds reverent as in, takes worship seriously, actually consciously and intentionally pray the prayers and recites the words with seriousness and reverence, etc

[@room2327]

@@taylorbarrett384 Just a question-as a whole, is the congregation “reverent”? The nonsense permitted during the Mass by the parents and children is what sent me running from the Novus Ordo.

[@taylorbarrett384]

@@room2327 I haven't seen anything in the congregation that is irreverent, except maybe once one time from a teenage girl who was on her phone. The congregation doesn't appear much different to me from the Latin Masses I've been to, where everyone seems just as silent and still as they do at the Novus Ordo.

[@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753]

everyone know s that those who reject the TLM also reject the pivotal teachings of the church- abortion, contraception, religious liberty, etc

[@AlexofAwesome]

Why would these two things be associated in any way?

[@TheEdzy25]

I do nor agree with some of things he says. The church or mass should not "adapt" the people and the world should adapt to the church/mass. If the NO liturgy has a huge percentage of liturgy abuse...than its probably not the best choice....

[@Ihathnotscene]

Well, if the Mass didn't adapt at all then we would have the Last Supper-- Latin would be an xadaption, the fifdleback, the prayer io St. Clement, the Prayer of St. Jerome...

[@TheEdzy25]

@@Ihathnotscene you're misunderstanding the statement. The church adapted to latin, since its precise and a dead language and can not be changed etc. It did not adapt to latin because of people or world trends.

[@realtourdreams9655]

You guys can’t see it from the inside. I’m Protestant, considering converting and people are YEARNING for tradition not getting along or for goodness sake - progressivism. The American English language music written in the 70’s - 90’s used in Novus Ordo is tasteless and Protestant. Will The Church lead stylistically with Her traditions or follow?

[@maureensaunders1102]

How many outrages (think: Pachamama/gay unions) can the faithful endure from one Pope, who seems to be at odds with Christ himself. Shall we continue to dance around these issues ? Are there no limits to the damage one man in this office can perpetrate?

[@boomct8569]

I hear your pain Maureen. Maybe the real question is ‘How much suffering did Christ endure for us?’ It’s only in this light and loving Him that we can not only suffer whatever He allows but know He will work it out. It’s hard going though - stay close to His Sacred, bleeding heart.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

“Is the pope catholic?” used to be what was said to another who asked a question with “yes” as the answer. Is this pope catholic? By catholic standards, what is the real answer?

[@yvescallahan2103]

I ask all to keep their eyes wide open at this time in the Church today. Christ is not only allowing this persecution at this time but as always he has picked a very small group in His Church to show once again His power over her! If anyone really studies the History of the Church, this is one of the ways God uses to let the world know His power! For the Pope is his vicar but still a man non the less. Christ is still the head of the Church and always has the last word! Just keep watching!!! Enjoyed this episode and encourage all viewers to pray even if they don't like nor understand the Latin mass.