The Legend of Zelda: ALttP Randomizer by Andy and ChristosOwen in

[@CLfreak246]

24:36 Couch intro 26:40 Race start 31:40 All rise for the SwagDuck anthem 35:35 Fake flipper glitch 38:27 Forget No Glitches!! It’s NMG (No Major Glitches) time!! [Found by Snoap] 39:35 The Legendary Hover glitch (aka the beginning of the end) 48:33 1st crystal collected (by Christosowen) 55:17 Moogle Bunny form 1:08:37 Master Hammer Time 1:11:31 Disappearing Block Solution 1:13:08 Legendary Hover II 1:13:57 Legendary Hover III 1:17:55 The gentlemen’s agreement item, Hookshot 1:18:58 Bomb jump glitch (on Christosowen’s screen [no sound]) 1:24:21 Legendary Hover IV 1:35:04 Escape from the Swamp Stairs 1:37:17 THAT’S GOTTA BE CANE!! 1:48:42 GO Mode achieved!! 1:57:55 Ganon’s Tower Fist Bump [found by scorcher747] 1:59:00 Ganon’s Tower Big Key 2:02:45 Legendary Hover Final: “I can do this and validate my run!”

[@CodenameWaffles]

replying to bump towards the top

[@CLfreak246]

Cactus Fantastico 😊 Thank you!

[@Plasmabeisser]

when they switched from "no glitches" to "no major glitches" (nmg) 38:25 (lower left corner) sad one but okay ...

[@roygoodhand1301]

1:37:17? Samaria was that deep in the seed? By the way, you're missing one: The LTTP National Anthem/SwagDuck/"THE GOOSE IS LOOSE!"

[@CLfreak246]

Roy Goodhand That was 31:40 into the video on Andy’s screen. I did it that way since only Andy had sound on his end.

[@escobarisanoctopus]

I never saw this before, but if you check at 1:58:05, you see both Andy and Christos give each other a nod and fistbump. I always wondered why the audience did a kind of half-hearted clap and now I see why - I think a few noticed this gesture and wanted to acknowledge the sportsmanship between the two.

[@rowrow_]

When Andy entered the same room as Christos in the Palace of Darkness after nearly an hour of route diversion, I got so hype.

[@Techhunter_Talon]

To clarify, 'No Glitches' just refers to the Randomizer's seed generation logic. When this setting is selected when a seed is generated the Randomizer will not account for the glitches one can pull to get to an area earlier than expected or outside of what a normal player can do in the game. It has nothing to do with the race's ruleset itself.

[@DukeoftheAges]

Techhunter Talon They should think of a better name then lol

[@DerTolleIgel]

"No Glitches necessary" ...

[@Link-ho8yq]

Yes, it didn't "change category mid-game", the rules were always meant to be "glitchless seed, NMG players" as is usual for ALTTP Randomizer runs and races.

[@canadian__ninja]

"No Glitches Logic" means simply no glitches are required to win. The name is good and succinct.

[@PissedGrunty]

Was confused when they mentioned the fake flippers with that on screen...

[@luckyfox2997]

This was one of the best GDQ races I've seen. Both runners have never played this particular seed before even though they ran the same seed, and there was no way to tell who was in the lead since they took slightly different routes and everything was randomized. Awesome watching this live.

[@thechugg4372]

If there is no way to tell who is in the lead where is the tension? The competition

[@SideBurn12]

Mart Mine Oh, there is :) And it can shift extremly fast!

[@luckyfox2997]

Well they have to have mastery over the game itself, know small glitches to try and get ahead...and do it swordless.

[@justinhurowitz70]

I love how after doing entirely different things for most of the run they both converged in PoD and were suddenly only half a room apart.

[@JazzyWaffles]

There was no way to tell who was in the lead? Huh? What do you mean? Andy was running, that basically sealed the results from frame 0. Not an Andy fanboy I genuinely want him to lose a race ever but he seems incapable of losing.

[@mysterypaintuhuh9289]

I love how, at 1:53:53, Andy and ChristosOwen just look at each other and notice they're not playing the game, then nod at each other like "Yeah, we both got our last crystal at the same time" Amazing race, I'd love to see this again in future GDQs.

[@Ringbearer79]

1:57:50 I love how they look at each other "GT?" "Yes, GT" "me too"

[@charlesmccoy7219]

Oh man. Is that Order of the Stick?!

[@fallinjosh15]

Dragon Ball GT was alright

[@SideBurn12]

That moment was actually quite awesome.

[@Efreeti]

Amazing moment, thank you for pointing it out

[@anyonewanttoplay7922]

But.... *That's just a theory a GAME THEORY thanks for watching.*

[@Pyromatic6]

This is seriously one of the most amazing speedruns I've ever seen! The commentators were incredible, and the whole speedrun itself was super entertaining!

[@bobschneffler1832]

This was amazing! I still remember Andy's LTTP run where the host asked to read donations when he died. Definitely deserved to be a highlight!

[@Niffoni]

I started watching LTTP randomizer races during SpeedGaming's latest tournament, and I'm hooked. So glad to see two of the better runners in the community doing a race for AGDQ.

[@theAmazingJunkman]

God I love Paty. Please commentate for every GDQ run from now until the rest of time.

[@blucaptain]

Especially when Andy is on the sticks

[@PerfectDarkly]

I like how even though they're both deaf and blind to each other's games, Chris just looks over at 1:13:50 and he knows _exactly_ what bullshit Andy's getting up to over there. Freakin' cheater. I'm still loving these Andy/Patty runs.

[@travisalexander6440]

Even better, after the first hover, Andy catches him looking and pops the Cheshire Cat grin, as if to say, "Yes, I am up to my usual shenanigans. You know exactly where, too. You know what I do."

[@1313eable]

I mean, Andy has to slide his fingernails across the A-button, which would be quite easy to notice even in your peripheral vision. So, yeah, Chris definitely noticed that.

[@geoterra9478]

I fucking loved the commentary over this run, I was laughing so hard the entire time

[@8o8g91]

The Dragon Lord Really? One guy was really being a little too much of smartass. Imo tho

[@PokemonaMoni]

Shady B That was the funniest one

[@fallinjosh15]

The one with the deeper voice seemed to get a little upset when Andy got the hammer and did his hovers lol

[@PokemonaMoni]

daringtons Are you serious? xD He obviously does that on purpose, notice that everything he said made the public laugh out loud (and myself too)

[@PokemonaMoni]

daringtons Obviously you don't share the sense of humour

[@SynsityGW]

*Andy accidentally breaks WR during a marathon randomizer run then reveals himself to be Jesus Christ return to earth* Patty - "wow Andy how cool" *Christos turns on console* Patty - "christos is literally amazing he's so good at this game"

[@RadiantPickle]

"I rounded down." "To seven?"

[@johnsimon8457]

I’ve never seen a randomizer run before and now This is my favorite GDQ run after that famous four way Super Metroid race

[@Techhunter_Talon]

Should check them out. Randomizers have been gaining popularity recently and it's kinda cool. Just note that I think the one for A Link to the Past is one of the better optimized Randomizers as the logic tries its very best to not generate an impossible seed.

[@TheXpag406]

Amazing back and forth race that ultimately was decided by the ultimate equalizer: GT. Excellent race.

[@shanewilliams9991]

"Congratulations to Andy, taking game 1!" I died

[@linkthepringlesman3951]

My god, can the commentators run a let's play channel together?

[@stegomasaurus6737]

*SEMI-MAJOR SPOILER ALERT* Seeing these two take completely different routes only to converge at the same place after a full hour is just magical.

[@Forever_Zero]

Little they knew that the Moggles could fly over pits

[@Techhunter_Talon]

It even makes sense with it struggling to hover over because of how small their wings are. XD That said, a very impressive display by Andy with those hovers.

[@beasteh757]

'It's not cheating, I just hate that he can do that.' classic Patty

[@WereDictionary]

Muggles cant fly.

[@Patralgan]

As a passionate chess player I appreciate that there is a variant that's basically a randomizer. Chess960 (a.k.a. Fischer Random) is where the pieces behind the pawns are in random places at the beginning of the game (except king must always be between the two rooks [so one can castle either side like in the normal chess] and the two bishops must be in different colored squares). This forces the players to start planning and form strategies from the first move without having openings memorized (since there's 960 different possible opening positions, it's not really feasible to come up with and learn opening sequences for each of them). It's the most popular chess variant besides normal chess and even the top players of the world compete each other in serious tournament settings with this variant more and more. Chess960 could be THE future for chess, since it's pretty daunting to learn many opening deeply in normal chess in order to be successful. Learning openings is NOT fun.

[@metroidmuncher4802]

Wat did that have nything to do with the run? I play chess too.. but even I dont give a shit when this is a video for speedrunning alttp...

[@MarcusSparchs]

Such a great way to play the game. Great race by both.

[@Brax1982]

How good this run was: I was already half-asleep after a short time watching the run way to late in the night, but suddenly I was wide awake and not able to quit and finished the entire thing. And now even leaving a comment about that.

[@DrkPhoenixSaga]

Love the narration and randomness of the events you guys are putting out. Great work as always!

[@Soldr4hire]

I love Patty commentating Andy's races. The salt is real.

[@yarayar1]

I'm playing this with the same hash and not using glitches. Does anyone know where the ice rod is?

[@kaeon]

The Ice Rod is in the Tower of Hera. I think the trouble you're having is that you don't need the three Pendants to enter the Tower of Hera, you can enter with just the seven Dark World dungeon crystals.

[@kyleowsen]

A+ Couch

[@IslesGirl3]

Whenever Pat's on the couch its gonna be a good run

[@Dev1lallday]

The commentators were the icing on the cake. Their jokes and moreover professional explanations had a quality similar to major sport event commentators, I´m serious about that! One of the most entertaining runs in the whole event, thank you all!

[@Youtubeaccount369]

I cant wait to watch this... this is better than anything on TV IMO. So exciting.

[@SalcranVGC]

There's gotta be another one of these next time. It's just so much fun to watch!

[@HolyDemonSnap]

I can't help but wonder what Andy thought of all this heckling after the fact.

[@ParadigmZwei]

Just watch other GDQ runs of his with Patty in the background. He arguably finds it funnier than most. Andy is very ticklish it seems, :P

[@HolyDemonSnap]

Thanks. :D

[@HolyDemonSnap]

Thank you so much for telling me about this. :D

[@fallinjosh15]

he stabbed him in the parking lot actually

[@Drawfill]

Honestly had no idea who would win. Probably the best race i've ever watched. The random element of the run gives flavor to the whole thing

[@DenDhur]

This was awesome, easily what I'll be looking forward to the most in upcoming gdqs! Great race, great community!

[@jcace13]

Probably the most enjoyable run I’ve watched so far, brilliant 👍🏻

[@Eric-yt7fp]

Yes! I wasn't able to watch live, and this was the number one run I was looking forward to.

[@SlvrStryker]

While I wasn't the one who donated with the comment concerning it, I would *love* to see an Open Keysanity run at a GDQ. What is Keysanity, you may ask? Well, picture this: take the idea that all of the regular items are mixed around...and then add in every single chest-laden small key, big key, compass, *and* map from every single dungeon in the game, also mixed around. With the added benefit of still not requiring forced glitches to complete the game.

[@loyalimperial]

@Khaeldranis you can't really give an ETA for that type of thing and would need to be able to have a note pad

[@psinjo]

i want to say this is one of the only races i've really enjoyed since the commentary was both good and the game was a bit slower paced so it was possible to watch both screens at once

[@skynes]

Really enjoyed this race, and loved the commentary especially.

[@ShmuPixel]

Incredible race! I'm glad the randomizer was part of AGDQ this year and I hope it will also be the case later on. It's a nice way IMO to end the event when there is no Super Metroid race scheduled. And who knows, maybe one day there will be a randomizer for more games (another Zelda... or Metroid maybe?) and it could become the new run to look forward to in AGDQ each year.

[@littleg5664]

I love my ALTTP Rando community so much!

[@bf842903]

And the arrow boost sleeps again

[@AdrienGravelle]

FOREVER!

[@Ultracity6060]

This is one of the best races in a long time. Breath of new life.

[@MrEricAdam]

Commentators explaining possible paths that the runners could take and all I hear is, "Just turn the crank, and snap the plank. And boot the marble right down the chute. Now watch it roll and hit the pole. And knock the ball in the rub-a-dub tub. And flip the man into the pan. "

[@TriplePalindromous]

Please tell me there are other runs with this patty man.

[@guitar3544]

Watch Andy's Alttp run from last year's GDQ. Him, Patty, and Ribkilla reading donations was the funniest damn thing i've seen in years of watching GDQ.

[@Zronium]

I might miss one or two. SGDQ 2014: Goosebumps Attack of the mutant - as runner SGDQ 2015: Maldita Castilla race - as runner SGDQ 2015: Link to the Past - as couch AGDQ 2016: Link to the Past race - as couch SGDQ 2016: Curse of Issyos race - as runner SGDQ 2016: Aladdin race - as runner SGDQ 2016: Jak and Daxter - as couch SGDQ 2016: Mario Maker Relay - as runner AGDQ 2017: Rocket Robot on Wheels - as couch SGDQ 2017: Link to the Past - as couch SGDQ 2017: Super Metroid Race - as couch

[@FaithEngine]

Amazed that no one linked you to what is inarguably the best run that Patty has commentated (and also one of the best runs at any GDQ event, period). Check out Bonesaw's run of Jak and Daxter, by far the hardest I've laughed from any speedrun

[@jackieparmz]

His return to GDQ during Xelna’s 100% run is so goddamn great. Andy is also on that couch.

[@SlimKirby]

Solid Tracking DT!

[@anxious_android6966]

I know it's been a while since this happened but during the run the couch was talking about the possibility of the Mad Batter having hammer and how much of a nightmare that would be. Well currently I am playing alttp+sm randomizer and the bad luck has come to pass because according to my spoiler log that is exactly what I have.

[@loyalimperial]

Hope you had fun

[@jburchardt]

Really cool format, I loved it!

[@WingedSupernova]

Patty is the commentator we need for every run.

[@masterburgn]

surprisingly it is extremly fun to watch!

[@Twiztedgoalie]

I hope this means that next event there can be a Super Metroid randomizer race?

[@hecetewest5411]

33:32 wouldn’t it have been faster to move the middle block upwards, a side block to it’s respective direction, take a step forward then shift the middle block over?

[@Chai_bug]

Dylan Will if you’re referring to ChristosOwen’s screen. He eventually did that to get to the switch, but the first time he had to do what he did to get the chest. If he had the mirror, he would’ve been able to make the middle block disappear entirely, which is the fastest option of them all. As far as I know, the way Owen did it is the correct way to do it without a mirror so that he can also check the chest

[@hecetewest5411]

Shania Roberts he could’ve gotten the chest and moved on in one go though couldn’t he?

[@anyonewanttoplay7922]

2:09:52 "And the arrow boost sleeps again *forever*"

[@j_dublay]

I feel we need to get Patty to commentate a lot more. Really makes the runs more entertaining.

[@Patralgan]

can't wait for Breath of the World randomizer

[@loyalimperial]

Is that even possible?

[@HoudiniFontmeister]

The SMW Interview was Awesome lol

[@Otoma]

This was so fun to watch :D. Great race

[@Rumcake256]

Wow that was easily the best race I've ever seen holy crap

[@Hyrulewarrior7]

1:24:15 What is life?!

[@Hope41656]

Welcome to andy

[@GodOfThings]

I would love to see more Randomizers in future GDQs!

[@johnstanton7118]

the couch on this run was amazing! made me laugh really hard a few times

[@solidsnack4139]

Holy cow. Was that awesome! Go Andy!!!

[@BryDesignz]

Whoever is doing the titles has been drunk all week long.

[@jamiehoward6505]

Well its gdq everyone is drunk all week

[@Lovuschka]

At entering Ganon's Tower, they were six seconds apart... amazing!

[@bradencosier80]

Andy didn’t get a single pendant. That’s all he needed to win. That one extra boss on Christo’s part cost him the race.

[@Sephiroth08150]

2:07:24 Jokes were said in the entirety of this game, but that part actually could've made me die of laughter X'D

[@solidsnack4139]

This race is HYPE. I think them having different seeds would have been interesting, but that would have been less competitive.

[@eninfamousvy]

I was the guy that shouted Let's go, Andy at 1:54:50. FeelsGoodMan

[@astufi]

lol

[@Rhannmah]

NO

[@saltysandwiches3554]

You bet right

[@fallinjosh15]

No, it was me

[@hope_and_love]

big if true

[@Blandation]

Great run, great commentary.

[@floridamoon90]

"Got a light?"

[@west113]

This is the water, and this is the well.

[@drewskidmore9392]

I must have missed it in the commentary, but what is the significance of the Master Sword pedestal in the randomizer? It gets mentioned a lot.

[@spartanseventyeight8673]

Basically, as shown when they use the book on the pedestal, the randomiser actually tells you what you get from the Master Sword pedestal, when you get the 3 pendants. From what I can gather, a pedestal run is when a key/important/useful item is locked in the pedestal, meaning the players have to complete the pendant dungeons, in addition to the crystal dungeons.

[@dowingba]

If a required item was kept there, they would have had to complete 3 more dungeons to get it.

[@cassieo]

Yeah, pedestal is a troll on some seeds. If you check all the other places in the game you can think of and can’t find the cane of somaria to get into Turtle Rock... then you have to check pedestal and see if it’s there. Some seeds make you work hard for victory. Hovering through TR is likely impossible. I watched Andy try it last week on an Inverted run, and he was not able to get across to Trinex with hovering.

[@timog.2310]

isn't salty Patty just the best Patty? :D

[@Chai_bug]

Timo G. Any patty is the best patty

[@HolyDemonSnap]

WHOO MY FAVORITE WON! :D

[@firedrake110]

WHOOOO mine did too!

[@thechugg4372]

Can someone explain what is going on? At first I thought they had to get all items but then you see them just going for the Final Boss if that's the point why not do it earlier? Do they need a number of specific items before fighting the Final Boss?

[@SideBurn12]

Mart Mine You basicly need certain items to _get_ to the final boss. And depending on where the crystals are, certain items is not necessary and vice versa :) Check out the SpeedGaming channel here on youtune, they have good showcase videos where they explain how it works.

[@thechugg4372]

Hey Thanks i'll check the channel and then come back with a fresh view. :)

[@cassieo]

Gotta get through Ganon’s Tower to unlock Ganon fight. Can’t get into Ganon’s tower without all seven crystals.

[@FourthDerivative]

Whatever we did to deserve Patty, it couldn't have been enough

[@raxorlp9932]

i like the randomizer :D its awesome for runs and other challenges

[@SoraHjort]

I enjoyed it, but not being able to see the couch commentators (now desk commentators?) in the background anymore was a bit sad. It's always fun to look at them react to things going on.

[@kitemay]

any option to completely randomize foes? think it'd b funny seeing someone have to beat the same boss again later in the same run, right outside the boss room.

[@kitemay]

another boss room

[@mazpratim]

There is now!

[@loyalimperial]

There is this thing called enemizer

[@BreezyBeej]

Just curious, why is it okay for Andy to just keep throwing glitches out during a No Glitch run? I'm just confused as to why no one seems to care

[@wanderingharlow6305]

BreezyBeej There's a twitch channel called Speed Gaming and glitching during randomizer runs tend to be a gamble.

[@CJTheExpert]

If you're reffering to the hover, I'm not 100%, but it's either that hovers don't count as glitches, OR it has something to do with the agreement Patty mentions, where he states that Andy said he would consider the hookshot to be mandatory. I would assume the latter would be there to make a better show for the marathon, since the hovers are crazy cool. That being said, I'm fairly certain that those hovers aren't considered glitches. Something like the exploration glitch or wrong warping would be.

[@FenrirsDarkSeal]

BreezyBeej "no glitches" is a type of randomizer seed, that helps decides what items go where, basically saying that in the game logic, glitches like Fake Flippers won't be needed to progress. They should have explained that. It's not a rule for the run, it's just a designation for the randomizer.

[@BreezyBeej]

Fenrir's Dark Seal Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Thank you.

[@barrettolson82]

BreezyBeej a bit into the run they swapped out “No Glitches” to “NMG” i.e. No Major Glitches, the stuff Andy was going is not considered a major glitch

[@Shinkada]

These comments are... Comparatively pretty nice. That's nice. That feels nice.

[@dgamefather]

What tracker was being used for this race? Been using TestRunner's but some items are missing like boomerang and the blue cane.

[@RPGBros]

Amazing awesome job guys!!

[@Chidsuey]

But...but...I wanna know where the other items were. T_T

[@Tychus]

Patty runs are the best runs ♥

[@dustinmihalcheon5013]

So when there is a race the randomizer is the same for both players they just can't see the others progress?

[@cassieo]

Dustin Mihalcheon yes-The runners had on noise-cancelling headphones to try and block out the crowd from giving spoilers away. It’s for charity, so it was kinda just a fun display of skills for the crowd. On Speed Gaming contests, the runners are steaming online from home, so they have no idea who is winning until someone taps in “done” in the chat room.

[@ollieduracell]

amazing race!

[@simonhartl460]

Best run at gdq. alttp randomizer swordless just waaaay too nice. Please submit one to sgdq.

[@deviltrigger85]

Awesome concept.

[@kalas9000]

I too enjoy The Legenga of Zeldga.

[@richardfirsdon2926]

Can the hover be done with a turbo controller

[@cassieo]

Richard Firsdon sure, but turbos are not allowed in tournament play.

[@Lukecario1216]

Is this randomizer publicly available somewhere?

[@Trolling4Strange]

How do I get this... Minus no sword?

[@Razaak666]

Might be related to the fact my friends and I once buried a pineapple on a common (hidden off the path, but with the stalk sticking out), we returned a couple of days later and found the pineapple was stolen - think I now know who took it!

[@joshuaspector8182]

chris went for the triple shot on Ganon. is that something that's possible?

[@cassieo]

Joshua Spector yes.

[@andrewober]

I don't understand the bombos symbols in the ice palace?

[@TheXpag406]

In Ice Palace you usually need Fire Rod for 3 specific rooms: The Entrance, the room on the 4th floor above the Big Chest and Kholdstare. The symbols mean you can use Bombos in those room in order to advance. Those are new to the v28 logic of the randomizer.

[@Link-ho8yq]

They allow using Bombos without a sword. Randomizer logic says "can get through Ice Palace with either fire rod or bombos", these tiles allow preserving this logic in Swordless mode.

[@A_Player]

"I'm just so glad that someone died, i've been waiting to do that forever." You okay there?

[@Link-ho8yq]

I wonder where the lantern was. If this was a glitchess seed, that means it should be somewhere accessible for POD and Eastern, right?

[@SideBurn12]

Link8312 Cant remember if they checked the whole escape section. If not, my guess is there. Its a shame they dont share the seed number, so we can see for ourselves.

[@Link-ho8yq]

Yeah, sharing the seed number would have been good. At 50:20 Christos does the front of Escape (gets the flippers, twenty rupees and a burrito). IIRC they did the back early, which leaves only the key chest which IIUC can't possibly have the lantern in Open No Glitches (but could in Standard). Hm, did they do bat cave?

[@SlvrStryker]

Powder was in lumberjack cave, which would have required Aga. Which, also, requires the lantern to navigate, so that's already right out. Maybe higher up in Hera?

[@SideBurn12]

According to Andy's re-watch the lantern was in Turtle Rock =) kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4TSk6mIjMd-h6c

[@SideBurn12]

13:07 to be precise.

[@gigaus0]

Okay, can someone explain the 'Validation Chest?'

[@Propacman]

Great commentating! Lots of personality

[@ugn669]

How can I play this randomized Zelda? Never heard of it before...

[@TompaA]

You can find it here: vt.alttp.run/

[@SideBurn12]

And check out the SpeedGaming channel here on KZbin. Got good showcase runs to explain how it works :)