The Lord of the Rings: The Return of The King | Sauron Takes Osgiliath | ClipZone: Villains & Heroes

[@timovangalen1589]

These guys were the unsung heroes of the war against Sauron. They managed to hold the line until dawn, long enough for reinforcements to arrive before Minas Tirith fell.

[@Vikingr4Jesus5919]

Uh, Minas Tirith didn't fall. Do you mean Osgiliath?

[@timovangalen1589]

@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 I’m saying that Minas Tirith would have fallen before reinforcements arrived if the garrison at Osgiliath didn’t fight so heroically. They delayed Mordor’s advance and bought just enough time for the Rohirrim and Aragorn to save the city.

[@Vikingr4Jesus5919]

@@timovangalen1589 Oh, you meant "They delayed the enemy, allowing Minas Tirith to be reinforced lest it would fall."? It is just that by your choice of words, it suggests Minas Tirith fell anyway even after the reinforcements arrived.

[@reaper411b]

​@Vikingr4Jesus5919 Jesus christ why bro. I knew what he meant. Others knew what he meant. It wasn't unclear. Why you being weird.

[@FreedomNOW-fc9ro]

Too bad the movies couldn't have bothered to show them getting a single kill. How are Gondorian solders so easily bested by run of the mill Mordor orcs with crude weapons and armor

[@thetalkinggreenbox8948]

I always thought they made the Gondorians look too weak in this movie but I also like the subtle details like how despite being outnumbered they held out until morning

[@kwameundead2359]

Yeah, I never got why the Gondorian heavy infantry looked so clumsy

[@christophermichaelclarence6003]

Just like the French when they overwhelmed by the Deutsch/Germans crossing the border

[@christophermichaelclarence6003]

​@@kwameundead2359the Gondorian heavy infantry are clumsy probably due to their bloody heavy armor

[@akaviral5476]

​@@christophermichaelclarence6003Ahhh, the age old crap myth that armor made by humans for humans who trained for years in said armor is clumsy.

[@paopaothesiopao995]

It works to up the anté so to speak. I would have disliked the movie’s choice to portray Gondor so weak if it was only for that though. But I think it was forgivable since it also showed fatigue setting in. Gondor has been repelling Sauron’s advance for years now. To stand alone on the frontline for so long against the relentless and seemingly unending swarm of Mordor makes Gondor a badass in my book.

[@TheAngryHappyMaskSalesman]

They will never be able to top the stellar quality of this trilogy. Those movies are the very peak of cinema mastery.

[@alicaramba7680]

Nope.

[@VelvetMagician]

I can't believe Faramir held Osgiliath for the entire night. Fucking boss I love how the humans in this battle use everything to their advantage to even the odds. When the sentry got shot, they silently got to their positions. The Orcs thought that the Gondorians were still oblivious, and fell right into the trap. Excellent strategy.

[@marcusisgod2592]

He would have held it longer if set fire to the rafts while they are crossing instead on letting them get their forces on land. My god half his troops were rangers meaning archers and guerrilla fighters yet he chooses to fight a melee.

[@Kilo_Alpha_Delta]

@@marcusisgod2592 The rafts are like 2 minutes from landing in what world do they have time to set them on fire? Rangers are equally capable of fighting with swords and archers aren't very useful at night in close quarters. I'm glad they didn't leave the tactics up to you

[@marcusisgod2592]

@@VelvetMagician in the extended edition it shows they spot the orca after they kill a watchmen and it would at least fifteen minutes to get the men in position for his hide behind the pillar strategy. They had time.

[@bandolando3265]

They had bad strategy. They hid behind pillars, allowing orcs to get inside the city before they started fighting back, also enclosing them on both sides by orcs. They should've held a defensive position at the rafts, stopping the orcs from being able to disembark and fight properly on land, and preventing them from using their overwhelming numbers on them by using the cities natural defensives. Hiding behind the pillars and allowing orcs to be on both flanks is a dumb idea

[@chetdog]

Boromir would have sorted these guys out in 2 hours.

[@Cadence733]

I love the bit where Harvey Weinstein says 'the age of men is over. The time of the orc has come.' He's honestly not given enough credit for that performance 👏🏼.

[@BigBWolf90]

Peter really did capture Harvey's true essence

[@simunator]

​@@BigBWolf90to burn like the brightest star. achieve high success and die just as fast. he wins in the end because his name will forever be remembered

[@cnt2495]

Didn't think I'd shed some tears at the thought of Gandalf and Pippin realizing that Frodo and Sam were alive... This trilogy is simply the best!

[@MaelstromsMonsters]

5:55 Majestic Art !

[@DestinyAwaits19]

Look at that armor in the thumbnail. The effects department done a brilliant job on these movies.

[@TheUberjammer]

Yes, including the fact that it was made of paper, canonically. Must have been so, for an arrow to go straight through it.

[@keikun145]

compare to Rings of power! man they had better art and craft

[@Axel1051]

Middle Earth’s answer to Dunkirk. Although at least Churchill didn’t send what was left of the BEF and Belgian and French Armies back across the channel on a suicidal mission to recapture the whole of France singlehandedly.

[@markselby9352]

Though many of the rescued French forces chose to go back to France after the French surrender rather than stay and fight with De Gaulle and the Free French

[@TheUberjammer]

There was a contingent of French soldiers that held the line so that the evacuation of the expeditionary force could happen. It's pretty much identical to the point of holding Osgiliath. Gondor increased her garrison by about 40% because of it.

[@slimj091]

An arrow from a short bow shot at an angle penetrating steel plate. I realize this if fantasy but come on.

[@klubchez5224]

Lmao bro relax

[@ogeazyd5604]

It’s the same as modern movies, guys hiding behind car doors absorbing 1000 rifle shots and they survive 😂

[@BigBWolf90]

I mean it looks like it hits a weak point in the armor at the shoulder. Not really ridiculous, I mean this isn't HBO levels of ridiculous where people are getting a broadsword through mail at least this makes sense

[@ttn20101]

@@BigBWolf90 na it definitely hit him in the chest, look like it pierced his heart so not a weak point

[@BigBWolf90]

@ttn20101 from the first angle it looked like it hit at a joint in the shoulder & depending on the arrowhead, like a bodkin point, can penetrate plate armor albeit it probably won't be very deep or lethal. Now when he fell it was definitely center off the upper chest so...yeah

[@marioukoc]

reminder for the classic awesome shot at 6:10

[@zurkturk13]

right, beautiful shot, with the music, the practical effects, its all perfect. lord of the rings is what more movies need to be today.

[@anotherplague]

Truly the City of Kings.

[@dv96_dk]

The quality of these movies is just outstanding

[@bryanhalligan7641]

The Gondorians should’ve been shown to be excellent warriors, not getting their fully armored asses beat up by a 5’3 pro with a club

[@Commander-vf1lk]

Same with Stormtrooper armor. Many yrs into the future & still dies from freakin wooden metal tip arrows 😂

[@CMDRFandragon]

Right!? It woulda been cool to see them actually kicking some ass in a sword fight

[@mimiskoutsandreas-kd1fi]

Bro the Gondor Footmen soldiers are chads man

[@Rockstarfrom1989]

Although its fiction I really hated Denethor. A father who hates his son and later on want to commit suicide together. I was glad Faramir was saved and Denethor died

[@Hannah-hq8ne]

One thing I didn’t like was how Gondor was always shown to be quite weak. These are descendants of Numenor yet the film makes them to be incompetent. From Denethor and to a lesser degree Faramir, right to random soldiers

[@itsglennn]

But wasn't this Gondor at its weakest?

[@Hannah-hq8ne]

@ Gondor at its weakest was probably in the second millennium of the 3rd age after the Great Plague, Kin-Strife and eventual loss of the Kings but it had been doing fairly well under the Stewards, even when Denethor’s rule was mostly overshadowed by Sauron gaining power. The Army of the Dead coming to the aid of Minas Tirith instead of the southern Gondorians cut off by the Corsairs was an example of weakening Gondor in the films, the complete emission of Prince Imrahil and the Swan Knights, the portrayal of the extremely competent Faramir and also Denethor are just the examples. Gondor may be ‘weak’ as in beat down by war and it isn’t what it used to be but it’s still stronger than Rohan yet Rohan gets its moments in the film, Gondor is just far too weak

[@TheUberjammer]

@@Hannah-hq8ne Oof. Omission, not emission. The emission of Imrahil would be... Imrahil's fart. Gondor had 2000 in the guard, 1200 with Imrahil, and another 1600 from the southern fiefs. Aragorn brought 1000 from the fiefs. I recall that the fiefs retained garrisons because of Umbar's raiding parties, but in this battle, Rohan did have slightly more than Gondor - 6000 horse to Gondor's 5000 soldiers. (Mordor sent 20,000 orcs, 18.000 Haradrim, and about 7000 from Rhun and Khand, so at least the visible ratio of one side to the other seems about right to me) That being said, I think they just didn't really have the acting right - they did seem more caught by surprise, rather than exhausted. The soldier that gets shot did look incompetent rather than tired.

[@gatovillano7009]

why wear plate armor if an arrow can pierce through it like butter... They might as well went to war in their birthday suit..

[@maxkrawec6189]

That was my first thought

[@BigBWolf90]

Hitting a weak point in the armor isn't "going through it like butter" this isn't HBO where someone is gonna get a broadsword stabbed clear through mail

[@alio248]

@@BigBWolf90but it didn’t hit a weak spot, it just went through the chest plate

[@ttn20101]

You have to look cool man. If I were a Gondorian soldier going into battle and given a choice of a cool ass armour made out of paper or a plain looking brown cotton shirt and trousers….I choose the paper armour

[@timovangalen1589]

I guess they couldn't keep the PG rating with an arrow in his neck 😂 For the most part the armoured guys we do see go down are being hit by clubs and axes, which makes sense. Getting hit square in the chest might not kill you but good luck fighting with cracked ribs.

[@Pww642]

Wilhelm scream at 5:43

[@ogogpangat6767]

This extended scene does justice to the Gondor army. In the theatrical release, it only briefly shows the battle until Faramir and his men retreat to the keep. However, this version portrays how long they fought the enemy, even when outnumbered. From night until early morning, Faramir’s men fought valiantly. They might have held out even longer if the watchmen had spotted those approaching orcs-they were carrying torches, after all.

[@simonhurst4625]

I believe the soldier handing out weapons in 1:35 is Tolkien's great granson!

[@abdallaha92]

1:15 man armor in Lord of the Rings is absolutely useless

[@HopScopCo]

That looked like a bodkin arrow. It was designed to pierce armor (mainly mail armor) and, at close range (the range here would be considered close range), historical accounts do have them piercing plate armor.

[@timovangalen1589]

@@HopScopCo Should've been a Ranger who got shot

[@TheUberjammer]

​@@HopScopCo Through mail definitely, mail would just slow the arrow down, but I think more importantly it's a short bow. Bodkin was only able to penetrate at 'point blank' range, not just close range, and that's with a war bow. Not that it matters.

[@DoomderX]

Ngl i thought Lord denethor however u spell his name. I thought he was sitting on the Throne of Gondor cause it was empty but those stairs rests the throne of Gondor That chair hes sitting on is the Stewards Throne

[@nekogaming5300]

They completely and utterly ruined the character in the movies. Denethor is hands down one of the bravest men in middle earths history and challenged sauron for decades using the palantir, organized the strongest defense mortally possible and only JUST started to lose his sanity adter over 3 decades of ruthless resilience whereas the movie denethor is a straight up insult to the character in every single way possible

[@Hannah-hq8ne]

@@nekogaming5300Tbh, I’ve always understood why they changed Denethor in the films (unlike Faramir, unnecessary change there). They likely didn’t have enough time to dedicate to a more minor character with Denethor’s complexities so even though I think they portrayed him poorly, I get why but I also think just a scene of him with the Palantir would’ve done so much explanation as to why he is like he is

[@天霸主宰者]

以前好奇為什麼人類陣營如此不堪一擊，但我現在終於了解，不是他們弱，而是他們已經精疲力竭了。畢竟連續打了好幾天的仗，而且從晚上打到白天肯定體力透支，加上獸人的數量實在太龐大，完全被壓垮！

[@西楚霸王項羽-x9w]

哪你喜歡人類定獸人？

[@天霸主宰者]

@西楚霸王項羽-x9w 並不是，只是以前的疑問已經釐清而已。

[@西楚霸王項羽-x9w]

@@天霸主宰者 我比較喜歡強獸人多個半獸人。強獸人不怕光，力大無窮。如果我是強獸人首領我一定會攻打精靈國捉晒啲女精靈做慰安婦

[@francisgudatama6274]

I'm no strategist/tactician, but wouldn't it have been better for the Gondorians to attack the orcs BEFORE they managed to land? That way the landing parties are hindered by the water and the boat exits act like funnels? That sneak attack method gave the orcs a bit too much space to maneuver.

[@CommanderBacara]

according to the movie there are only 4000 gondorian soldiers and they are against 200.000 orcs...no matter how good is your strategy you'll be overwhelmed by their numbers

[@ttn20101]

@@CommanderBacara still 4000 troops firing arrows at the 200,000 approaching enemy on boats would deal some heavy damage. It would lessen the number of enemy you have to face in close combat, hence raising your chance of winning by 0.1% lol. As people says, every little help

[@CommanderBacara]

@ttn20101 there is less than 1000 soldiers stationed in osgiliath...most of them still in minas tirith...also this is a surprise attack and they didn't expect orcs to attack this way

[@francisgudatama6274]

@@CommanderBacara Oh yeah, fair point. But if you had no intentions of retreating, then finding better battle tactics would be better no? I'm just wondering if it was really okay for them to just do that tactic in the movie.

[@keikun145]

TBH they didnt have enough men to defend the city but they held out

[@kwameundead2359]

Bro at 3:02 was so smooth with that hammer

[@timovangalen1589]

Buddy at 2:46 had nice hands

[@sadyugkefdkquskdSG]

They have torches in each boat and it was clear enough for an archer to hit the lookout and they came in unnoticed?

[@lapislazuli5451]

Funny-the expression of that smaller orc when Gothmog spears the man on the floor.

[@ttn20101]

The only thing that bug me about this whole scene is that Faramir has a bunch of Ithilien Rangers with him. Yet, I don’t remember seeing any of them firing a single arrow at the approaching Orcs? I mean the hell man? The whole point of bow and arrows is that you weaken the enemies, taking out as many as you can before they reach close combat range

[@filips.6482]

I love these movies, but the tactics used by both Gondor and Rohan are always odd to me. If you know they are coming, you should use every second to fire arrows, at the very least hold them at the water where they are at a disadvantage, not let some pass just to have them behind your backs... not to mention the fight would be more even until number wins it for the orcs, but in the movies you always see Gondorians die in larger numbers... I get it was done to show the grim situation, but it always pisses me off. Makes the movies only 99,9% perfect :p

[@CommanderBacara]

1. they didn't expect orc to pass this path 2. even thou gondorians have more arrows...orcs would keep coming over and over until you run out of arrow 3. quite possible if they already out of arrow 4. this a surprise attack...to shoot an arrow you need a good position and stay still...how are you gonna do that if you're not prepared?

[@filips.6482]

@@CommanderBacara Dude, every arrow shot, even if in small number, would still be a potential kill before melee. And they later show to have arrows, in this very clip! They should have mounted elevated positions as soon as they seen that guy die...

[@CommanderBacara]

@@filips.6482 sure they have...but is it enough? there is about hundred thousand orc coming to osgiliath and you only have less than 1000 gondorian soldiers...their only problem is numbers...even if you have good quality soldier and better equipment it would be useless against sheer number of orcs...this is why they pulled deus ex machina like ghost army to wipe out those orcs completely

[@filips.6482]

@ miał not saying it would save them, I am saying it would make more sense.

[@TheUberjammer]

@@CommanderBacara 20,000 orcs perhaps. Sauron had over 50,000 all told. It was roughly 5-10 to 1, not 100 to 1. (Admittedly that's all estimation, but there were 6,000 in rohan's army, and there were "three times their number" of Haradrim in Sauron's army. If there were more than say, 30,000 orcs, the Haradrim, Rhun, Khand etc. would have been more of an afterthought. I'm going with what the Middle Earth Atlas, the geekiest thing I will ever own, says is most likely. There were said to be 'less than 3000' in the outcompanies of Gondor, and Osgiliath would certainly not have had more than the entirety of the rest of Gondor. Not to mention that at this point they would have lost a lot of soldiers already.

[@mariusdierich1186]

Had more emotional bonding to the guy dying at 5:06 than Galadriel in the first season of RoP...

[@donder91]

Yeah, he was a cool guy. I dont even remember his name but when he died it was sad.

[@TheUberjammer]

@@donder91 Madril. It was made up for the movie though.

[@keikun145]

10x better than RINGS OF POWER

[@muhammedyilmaz2907]

PJ did not show the real Faramir. Faramir the wise.

[@Andu661]

Can anyone tell me what soundtrack is this part from? 3:41

[@Linus-d9b]

It's called Osgiliath Invaded, it start at 4:40 of this track

[@Nicole_Auriel]

I'll still always be confused why Gandalf decided to take Pippin with him when he went out to chase off the Nazgul. He couldn't have just told him "Wait here. I'll be right back in 2 mins."?

[@KarabauPlay]

The movie portrayed a bit differently from the books. In the book, gandalf and pippin just arrived at minas tirith from edoras as osgiliath was invaded, hence they rode together.

[@Green-zx7zt]

Because Pippin look into the Plantir that Gandalf wrap, and saw an image of Minas Tirith being destroyed so Gandalf took Pippin there to confirm it since Pippin does not know the name of the city but the image he saw

[@nobodynobody5396]

Boromir would’ve saved Osgiliath. Just saying.

[@OyeaAlliyea]

This comment lol, Denethor would be so happy of you lol

[@sloht4061]

I think he'd have died sooner. I think, Faramir allowing the Orcs to get through slightly and waiting before firing arrows, meant the first wave of Orcs were caught largely off guard, assuming most of the city was abandoned.

[@MrReinierdewit]

What kind of useless armor are they wearing?

[@julianvdr8808]

​@@sloht4061 Definitely. Boromir was a greater warrior in straight-up combat. But Faramir was a better leader with a more tactical mind. IIRC, even in the book it's said that Boromir from youth was always more interested in becoming a soldier, while Faramir also spent a lot of his time learning lore of the world.

[@sloht4061]

@@julianvdr8808 That's why Denethor didn't like Faramir as much. Faramir was a tactician, a thinker, logically applying force to certain areas of a battlefield. It's why, I always argue, while Boromir was an elite warrior, soldier and leader from a "I do what I say" stand point, faramir was always a "wait until the opportunity presents itself" type of leader. I think Faramir would have always been a military leader while Boromir was more of a sergeant

[@Barakudas1-h6k]

100 000 against few groups of man, wish the Gandalf uses eagles in this part.

[@edwardsullivan5884]

orks in boats paddling quietly just doesn't seem right to me....

[@ZaireHammonds]

Awill tried 😂

[@Andy-dh2sv]

Why worsen the scene with different soundtrack?

[@bigdog517]

This wasnt in the books right? Or am i tripping?

[@richmondlandersenfells2238]

Yes. But faramir has other officers in charge of the rear instead of him and that one guy.

[@johnnycasteel7]

The age of man… is over…😂😂😂

[@Roger-il8iw]

They didn’t have lookouts lol

[@ktu4817]

Middle earth d day

[@ninoradiananta998]

❤😊

[@phildsc663]

Use your archers 🙈😬

[@simonthomas5367]

Why, why, why did Peter Jackson not direct The Hobbit movies like these? Just one film required. Job done. Not 3 unnecessarily drawn out fabrications.

[@dv96_dk]

He did direct them and every fan should know by now that it wasn’t his fault, they turned out the way they did. If he had been giving the same time as with LOTR, the movies would have been very different.

[@GothanielLP]

I think two Hobbit movies would have been perfect

[@mexicomatch5363]

why?? I mean... Hobbit trilogy were good movies... you know... The Hobbit is NOT a great book... people werent expecting a masterpiece like LOTR since th movie was anounced

[@dv96_dk]

@@mexicomatch5363 they weren’t good movies though. Sure there were some good parts but overall no

[@mexicomatch5363]

@@dv96_dk The problem is that people get too demanding sometimes... as I said before, I knew that the movies would not be up to the level of LOTR (a trilogy that at least for me is sacred) not even close... so I went to the cinema to see them just with the intention of turning off my brain for a while and having a good time... and I did not leave disappointed... I feel sorry for the people who weren´t able to enjoy them... But I guess if you pay for a ticket you have the right to like the movie or hate it.

[@oussamaayache503]

28/10/2024

[@playstationfan3139]

Wow

[@razorsharpview9090]

The trilogy is almost a perfect masterpiece for me. There are only two things I hate about this movie. 1. Making the dunedains and gondorians look clumsy and weak in battle. 2. Over exaggerating the height of the Balrog, and making it look like a classical kaiju.

[@christyong6381]

The orc is too many

[@8888ate]

Would you right to judge you

[@Ftanftangfnarrr]

The whole scene is very dumb. The orcs are carrying torches ffs.

[@tacopeters9028]

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[@asioncore1]

Russia takes avdiivka

[@GamerJudgemental]

whoever thought it was a good idea to overlap soundtracks FU

[@Hannah-hq8ne]

One thing I didn’t like was how Gondor was always shown to be quite weak. These are descendants of Numenor yet the film makes them to be incompetent. From Denethor and to a lesser degree Faramir, right to random soldiers

[@tacopeters9028]

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[@tacopeters9028]

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