The Many Annoying Inconsistencies of Mythical Pokemon!

[@tapuchris-cb9jy]

I've always felt that pokemon like Victini and Hoopa were true mythical pokemon, since you can't obtain them without an event.

[@milkman4407]

The only problem was YOU CANT OBTAIN THEM WITHOUT AN EVENT, so you were just stuck there, waiting..

[@tapuchris-cb9jy]

@@milkman4407 fair point

[@krzx4259]

You can obtain them vía pogo, so you can obtain it whenever you want via specials breakthrougts

[@tapuchris-cb9jy]

@@krzx4259 ah ok

[@UltimaSpark50]

"Restricted to event/some other complex method" is effectively the intent behind Mythical Pokémon (幻 in this sense means "extremely rare [so rare it may as well be a fantasy]"), so like a one-in-a-million collector's item. That's why the original Mew event from April '96 promoted it as 幻 (only 20 applicants out of ~78,000 actually received it).

[@tommyblack6135]

My favorite mythical is actually Pecharunt. Primarily because having a tanky pokémon that passively confuses the opponent after inflicting poison fulfills a childhood dream of mine.

[@DoesItBlast]

Lame

[@KemosabeeKat]

Zarude has my favorite backstory for a mythical. My thought is it's a pokemon so rare it's a crytid because it's almost extinct in the wild, with maybe a couple populations left. Like some real primate species.

[@JamiePokemonTrainer]

well according to serebii, gen 9 no longer considers ultra beasts as sub legendary pokemon but their own special group. Much like how paradox pokemon are their own special group. My favorite mythical pokemon is Arceus.

[@grydon6422]

I never considered them Legendary to begin with as it was clear from the get go that they were just their own group of Pokemon. I think they were just lislabeled from the beginning which is now corrected. Type Null and Silvally too

[@OrRaifman]

The Shiinotic error is probably a mixup with marshadow. Due to similarities in the Japanese name. Making it a mythical instead of marshaow with is not listed as mythical in the code

[@tylanyofi674]

My personal definition for mythical pokemon in the pokemon world (since the definition is a pokemon only Obtainable for the first time in Through something you have to do out of the game) a pokemon that was Speculated exist but there was no Proof for a time

[@lumiosepost]

Id say this is a solid definition

[@tylanyofi674]

@@lumiosepost thanks

[@derekosgood3230]

Well thats actually what the definition of mythical is. Stories told on something that can't be proven to be real, but the same thing can be said for a lot of legendary pokémon. The differences between the two are slim, if any. It never really made sense to me. Legendary, Mythical, whatever lol

[@mertensiam3384]

Thats because thats what a mythical pokemon is, a myth.

[@mertensiam3384]

​​@@derekosgood3230 legendary pokemon are strong pokemon proven to be real that have legends about their power and strength. Mythicals on the other hand, aren't proven to exist and a normal person would probably tell you theyre not real and are just myths. Kinda like how criptids are in the real world. Legendary Pokemon are sometimes even part of the region's culture and folklore. Maybe mythicals should be called criptic Pokemon for a more accurate term.

[@OmarRodriguez-pj3qy]

I’m definitely fine with these things being inconsistent. I like when unspoken rules are broken. Like legendaries can’t evolve or fossil Pokémon must be Rock type. They break their own rules to give a great new spin in attaining one. Not every shape needs to fit its hole. Also do you think Zeraora fits into that new definition of Mythical Pokémon? Hey, maybe the fossils of Galar would all be Rock type if they were revived appropriately. So Rock/Electric, Water, Ice and Dragon respectively. But they’re all half and half so they get dual types of everything but Rock.

[@redjirachi1]

Mr1upz probably said it best: mythical Pokemon are just Action Replay legendaries

[@Silent71Knight]

The way i always viewed them was in lore and rarity. Let's say I lived in Pokemon World. If i lived in Hoenn for 50 years, I could expect to hear about groudon, kyogre, rayquaza, the Lati twins, and possibly the regis at least somewhere in that time. However, when it comes to Deoxys & Jirachi, i wouldn't be surprised if multiple generations never heard about them.

[@superkamehameha1744]

When I was in school in the Philippines, the history lesson that split the definition between myth and legend is evidence of it or lack thereof.. Legends are tales of something that highly likely occurred which then got hyped up through story telling as time goes on. While Myths are those that are based on something with no clear evidence or even a chance of evidence existing.. Myths mostly based on religious stories while legends are based on historical events. Wish Pokemon would reflect this given that Arceus is a mythical and the regis are legends

[@ZenElHabibi]

Lumiose always looks like he’s on vacay

[@BetterThanDoomWithAZ]

Can't recall just how many times growing up that my dad yelled at me never to stick my hand anywhere near Rotom-3.

[@lawznwdsc]

I honestly do hope we get more mythical Pokemon in the future and they have their own events with lore about them.

[@RubyRider-et3fp]

My only question is how are they gonna treat meltan and melmetal going forward,will it show up when we get to kanto,alola,galar because of the g-max,all or none?!

[@lumiosepost]

We do see dex entries of it being mentioned in “another region”. Could one day give us whatever that region is

[@jerseys89finest]

I'm jus glad i was able to get like 5 mew. Never had one in game and that's one of my favorite pokemon

[@UltimaSpark50]

All true Mythicals require an event, DLC, or some other extraneous method to obtain them _in their original generation_ (hence why they're called 幻, "extremely rare", like a one-in-a-million collector's item; the original Mew event from April '96 was promoted as such), but not every Pokémon only available through such is necessarily Mythical (that's ultimately up to Game Freak); a Mythical that becomes available in a base game (like ORAS Deoxys) remains so. Phione is classified as "quasi-mythical" in internal GF documents, so the ambiguity on its part is apparently deliberate. Obviously Shiinotic is a programming error, so that doesn't count.

[@juraganash2809]

I still see mythicals as Event released Pokémon. the reason that they are in games now is so you are able to catch m all without events (but only 1 each)

[@Lupinemancer87]

I hope Game Freak releases more of the old Mythical Pokemon soon, like how they just gave us Meloetta in Blueberry Academy, cuz I only need 6 to complete my living dex in HOME. Deoxys, Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Magearna and Marshadow.

[@scigaming6860]

I think technically speaking, only five would be needed once Z-A comes out, as completing a home dex up to Gen 8 gives a magearna. (Granted, if you would want all forms, you would still need normal magearna to be released)

[@baddragonite]

Melmetal was also distributed as an event in Home, I assume because they figured some players probably didn't want to play Go

[@Yoriden]

Actually that's just the only way to get Gmax Melmetal. You can't get it from GO and you can't feed one Max Soup to make it Gmax. So I have to assume that the goal there was just to push people to use HOME.

[@michaelm9211]

The way they do “mythical” Pokemon now is better. It sucked having them stuck behind timed events before, especially if you had to go to a real world location to get them.

[@lumiosepost]

100%

[@g00bleck]

They shouldnt shiny lock. If anything, they should just make the odds even lower for legendaries or something.

[@KuroBlitz]

love the redecoration

[@lumiosepost]

Thank you!!!!

[@Blackmeister89]

Your Content constancy good! Pls do not lose your Motivation 😊

[@baddragonite]

I think I would rather them lock Mythical events behind having save data from other games rather than FOMO brand deal mystery gift codes they've also done if they're gonna do mythical events at all

[@lucideirune1635]

There are some shiny mythical Pokémon that have yet to release in MSG. It is possible they might debut them in Pokémon Go (which the Pokemon can be sent to Pokemon Home and MSG), but might require you to be at an in person event similar to FRLG Deoxys which could be shiny hunted. BDSP saw the debut of shiny Arceus.

[@BetterThanDoomWithAZ]

I remain one of those stubborn fans that only had the term legendary growing up and kind of refuses to use the label of mythical to distinguish them from the others.

[@BetterThanDoomWithAZ]

Though I suppose, even though it's a bit hard to choose, if we're strict with the definition my favorites are probably Jirachi and Darkrai.

[@gelnart25]

I'm not a big fan of legendary or mythical though.. I don't even use them in my party..i wonder how they gonna make another legendary or mythical with new lore or what purpose they have in their regions..hope they have more ideas to make..

[@mazharsiddiqi7288]

Favorite Mythical Pokémon is the OG Mew Really hope if do Legends Mew then actually have it linked to the true origin of Pokémon My headcanon is that Mew was alone in a world of humans and created modern Pokémon from its DNA to be companions but were too weak in comparison for it to 'play' with them given its strength

[@meta4knight]

All the fairy like mythical are the best, the little guys that usually have base 100 stats (celebi should be a fairy type)

[@Tristan_Shuler]

Mythical Pokémon should have myths about them. They need to be rare and stories about them can be embellished. I love how Pecharunt was done. I do think it’s true power wasn’t shown, but hey maybe that’s the point. The myths made us think it was this super powerful Pokémon that poisons people into being its slaves. When all it really did was make dancing people with its mochi. Maybe it’s mochi affects people vs Pokémon differently. Who knows?! But that’s how a mythical should be done. Not just, here code, here mythical, get excited for next product.

[@Tristan_Shuler]

They also should be restricted to one time events. You should always be able to catch a mythical through in game processes. Not because you didn’t make it to Japan back in 2006 or you lost internet for 2 weeks.

[@Yoriden]

Oh, you blamed the Shiinotic error on HOME but it's not HOME, it's actually coded as a Mythical in Scarlet and Violet!

[@lumiosepost]

Oh wow! Sorry, ILCA

[@NagisaP]

Shiinotic IS a mythical Pokémon 😤

[@SweetTaleTeller]

Ya having Jarachi for my play threw of BDSP was totally balanced

[@lumiosepost]

For sure 😂

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

I just always found it weird that we had Pokemon who were related in someway, but some were Mythical, some were Legendary, and vise versa. Like, if Mewtwo exists, doesn’t that kinda prove Mew is not a myth? If it’s cloned from it? I know fossil stuff and all that but it’s a Mew Clone.

[@lumiosepost]

I guess maybe some-in universe of course-believe it isn’t actually from a mew and they are just saying it is. Like if I made a clone and claimed the dna was from Bigfoot, but did not have an actual Bigfoot on me to prove it, there’d be a lot of people who would argue I didn’t actually create this thing from a Bigfoot

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

@@lumiosepost I guess I could see that, but there aren’t many Pokemon who look like Mew. That’s just me though. I dunno.

[@baddragonite]

It bothers me on some level that the only "mew clones" of the mythicals to not have psychic type are Manaphy and Marshadow (if you consider it a mew clone anyway)

[@FairyPhantasia]

Yay ❤ Got some teeth pulled and needed this. Here's a KZbin dump. No one tells you if you don't take calcium while breastfeeding your teeth will eff up😢 The dentist saw my phone wallet and said "I love eevee! It my favorite! Wellllll actually Umbreon." Unfortunately we couldn't have a nerd off because he had medieval style prt bones out of my head and then my mouth was filled with gauze 🤡 Mine is Sylveon.

[@lumiosepost]

Oh geez. Feel better soon! 💙

[@LuluAndSasha2023]

For me, mythical pokemons are limited time event pokemon.

[@blackotsutsuki8708]

In my honest opinion, to me, I view Mythicals as just a sub-category of legendaries. They're legendary pokemon that are usually more rare then the average legendary sight wise. I also tag on that they're insanely hard to get in game if you happen to miss an event for it. V-Create Victini with Fusion moves is no longer obtainable since BW launch (I will forever hold that as a grudge to myself). While yes you can eventually get one in the future upon another date, the time discrepancy till then is unknown so you would not own such a rare pokemon for the time being (disregarding trades thought mythical's arent tradable now as they used to be.)

[@TheVindicitive]

They restrict what you can trade now?

[@jordanpollock6200]

Bruh when did you change logo and move room?! 😅

[@jordanpollock6200]

Nevermind

[@ConductorElcrest]

Technically B2/W2 gave us genesect.

[@I_Am_Bowi]

I will die on the hill that mythicals are legendaries, idc what the Japanese overlords say and think

[@lumiosepost]

I could be wrong but I think that’s true. Pretty sure it’s a subclass of legendary. If not, then that’s how I’ve always seen it lol 😂

[@I_Am_Bowi]

@@lumiosepost That is precisely how I see it too, a sub category that has no real meaning. I don’t really know why Walking Wake and such are not legendary as they are 1 per game while Miraidon/Koraidon are essentially a 1 per game Paradox too

[@mavrickindigo]

Type:null is legendary?

[@lumiosepost]

Yep!

[@Nichrysalis]

Is an error in the code really an inconsistency? We all know it's supposed to be Marshadow.

[@lumiosepost]

Sure, I see your point. Either way we should have a definition for these guys in-universe

[@shanerulez79]

Mew wasn't introduced by an event

[@BetterThanDoomWithAZ]

I guess it depends on what you consider an event. Red & Blue only had 150 pokemon, but shortly after the game was released Mew was announced in Nintendo Power magazine. They held a contest to give Mew away to 151 lucky players and that was it. That was the only legit way to get Mew. Everyone else had to get their hands on a gameshark and fiddle with the game's code.

[@shanerulez79]

@BetterThanDoomWithAZ kind of makes it even more mythical with it's playground rumor status.

[@Yoriden]

​@@BetterThanDoomWithAZ They also gave it away at a Toys R Us event. Mew hardly counts in the grand scheme of things, though, because it was the trend setter and wasn't even supposed to be in the game in the first place.

[@TerrenceFranklin-rp3ef]

What if dragons in real life are Aliens that's what I believe all mythical creatures are remember all myths are based on truth

[@fellimundo]

To me they are cryptids

[@kyurei4478]

Who cares they've always been in the bigger group of the lengendary family and this will never change. The mythical term is just overcomplexifying things for no reason and didn't exist back then for a reason.

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Shiny-locking Illusionaries is fine, but shiny-locking wild Illusionaries and wild Legendaries is a problem, because it prevents fans from deciding if they want shinies or not. It is also annoying that you can not reload the save file so the giveaway Pokémon you get will have the Nature you want. For any Mew being given away, it is best for it to only have either Shy, Docile, Hard Working, Quirky, or Serious Nature. Natures also include preferred flavors, overworld Ability effects, and Pokémon breeds. That is why Mints are better off used on any neutral Nature Pokémon.

[@ricardogranderg]

Pokemon games are just not what they used to be.

[@lumiosepost]

They’re definitely different. Makes sense though. All games have changed a good bit. I mean look at Tears of the Kingdom vs the OG Zelda games

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

They used to be Japanese, but not anymore. The 3D characters just look ugly. SV is the snap that made fans quit, especially after the dex and Exp. Share scrap.

[@nathanlamberth7631]

I don’t understand how you so easily discard Walking Wake as a mythical. It seems to me that it is.

[@lumiosepost]

My reasoning is for a number of reasons: 1) it has never been referred to as a mythical by the official source whereas EVERY mythical has 2) it is coded into the game as a paradox, not a mythical 3) Gouging Fire and Raging Bolt, its counterparts, are not mythical. 4) all of the same rules can be applied to its version counterpart, Iron Leaves

[@lumiosepost]

Oh, and 5) it is eligible for use in VGC and battle spot. Mythicals are banned from VGC and battle spot, unless it is a special circuit that allows them (which is not presently the case)

[@nathanlamberth7631]

@@lumiosepost that’s a well thought out reason

[@VoidDWG]

based

[@lumiosepost]

No thats you

[@derekosgood3230]

I remember the days when they were all just called legendary lol Back when red and blue released we called Mew a legendary. It was just harder to get because of events. I don't know when people really started using the mythical term. I still don't.

[@manueljaramillo2520]

Good for you

[@lumiosepost]

Thats interesting--I wasn't around in the gen 1 days, so as far as I can remember, the term was at least used in gen 3. Would be cool to find out where it started!

[@derekosgood3230]

@@lumiosepost Yeah I didn't realize people were using it until probably Gen 6 or 7. I kind of fell off at gen 5 so I noticed as I got back into it.

[@jvbon646]

The term "Mythical" started with the release of Gen5/BW for all other regions of the world other than Japan cuz they were the only ones to correctly classify them separate from Legendary (and Korea iirc) It was done by GF to fix the f-up that the previous translation teams had made. Arceus, Mew, Deoxys, Darkrai, etc, they were never Legendary, they had their own unique category since Gen1 but only in the original versions of the games (it was "special" or something like that). When they translated the games into English they got it wrong and listed everything as "Legendary". By Gen5 GF started doing the translations themselves, and so they fixed that error

[@theologamer]

Yeah, Pokémon kinda sucks.

[@lumiosepost]

I like it

[@McGoofy1001]

Either the Hawaiian shirt or the mustache has to go my man. You're become the person that people teach their kids to cross the street to avoid

[@lumiosepost]

Or I could look the way I wanna look, and you could go be toxic somewhere else. Let’s try that and see if that works my man!

[@McGoofy1001]

@@lumiosepost I'm just saying my man. I'm also an overweight white guy. These are just the things we gotta know before we get accused of something we had no part in.

[@DaymiianSFT]

Wtf is this comment dawg really weird :/

[@sxeychick9622]

@@lumiosepostI fully agree with you that this guy is being a dick and you’re in the right for calling him out. But you seem like a solid content producer so I wanna give you a tip. I promise this is with full respect. For your viewers and fans, be the bigger man. Kill then with kindness. Take the high road. Laugh off this guys comment and make a joke about it, then leave it at that. Don’t engage further. You may be in the right with your response, but it makes you appear petty, insecure, and argumentative. And that’ll drive away fans. Look at celebrities. They have a million people calling them all kinds of names on Twitter. But as soon as one of them starts responding and arguing, they get bad press for being combative with a fan. Take it into consideration.