The most hamfisted attempt at trans rep (High Guardian Spice)

#Crunchyroll
#HighGuardianSpice

[@TheOneTrueOfficialLordGod]

"This show is more mature audiences" *Proceeds to give a sesame street explanation on what trans gender is*

[@indigowendigo8165]

Come to think of it, when I actually looked into that one autism girl a little bit a clip or episode from the show itself after hearing people talk about it, it did indeed felt a lot like this. :p And this is from the same show that has moments like "You draw swords like dongs"... ^^; ... At least they tried? ._. Well, yeah, I guess a ton of things here and there could genuinely use some work though. :p

[@meuwu6348]

Lmao

[@solarflare5924]

God is that you? Has this dull-witted clip motivated you into fixing humanity?

[@TheOneTrueOfficialLordGod]

@@solarflare5924 Nah, y'all are screwed. Way too much work.

[@sonicman9910]

@@indigowendigo8165 Sesame street would do it infinitely better tho

[@Gabrielbarsch]

literally guessed this was a self insert character

[@AlejandroJMA]

Based

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

Didn't expect to see u here

[@n-extrafries-surprise]

And I can tell which staff member's self insert is this character lol

[@happythoughts3170]

So is Rosemary, actually.

[@sillybugzy9176]

Fifth 😎

[@royceaxle5749]

I'm transgender, and I want representation as much as the next, but I actually had to take a cringe break when they said "take a potion every month"

[@hoghuhaghu8506]

I virtually can't watch this because of how cringe sensitive I am to this; it literally takes the strength of a million stars just to press play, and once I do, I immediately regret all of my actions, I don't think I have even seen the full "official" version because of this. I am borderline allergic to the entire show, LET ALONE this scene. If I had to watch this I would burst into a ball of flaming kerosene, and would immediately implode with the force of 100,000 PSI. The blast radius would be enough to wipe out all of North and South America instantaneously, and would wash over the planet in a tsunami of magma, completely levelling the crust of the Earth in under 24 hours.

[@MrDamojak]

​@@hoghuhaghu8506 relatable

[@hoaujudaiyubel]

That's the problem with asking for representation in a way that suggests it should be required You end up with tokenism and the idea that representation is the same as good writing, leading twords the represented groups being poorly represented by bad writing If you want more trans characters that aren't written poorly the approach trans viewers or readers need to take is "representation is not necessary, I can enjoy a story without it but it would be very nice and perhaps sometimes preferable if major trans character were included because I'd be interested in that kind of perspective interact with the plot and characters of standard stories" As for writers who choose to include trans characters the best way to do it is to do what the manga writing group clamp does, the only time they draw any attention to the fact that a character is trans is if they are misgedered and even then that's very rare, otherwise no one bats an eye even though all the traits that cone with being trans is there and is equally as on display as a straight man fiding a random girl cute, in other words, treat it likes its just a normal thing And that's the best approach because if you try to hard to draw attention to the conflict between what's considered normal and whats not considered normal or otherwise isolate the subject from what is considered normal then you end up planting the idea that the subject is special or even alien into people's minds To end a conflict between what's normal and what is not you must drop the conflict and instead treat it as if it were normal and get other people into the same mindset by relating it to what they consider normal or logical I myself am a straight guy and I wrapped my head around seeing gay men as normal by thinking "every person, man or woman has genes that are combined from both a mans genes and a womans genes ie their parents, and we know sexual attraction is an evolutionnary trait within a person's genes because it allowed the human species to survive by reproduction, so since every mans genes is in fact a combination of both male genes and female genes it would not be a stretch to think that part of a female's genes that causes her to find men sexy may just so happen to be the very part of the mothers genes or gay fathers genes that got passed down So therefore what a gay man feels when he sees a man is no different from what a straight woman feels when she sees a man, and a perfectly natural method at that" That was how and why I see gay men as normal

[@clamatitoconlimoncito383]

Doris from Shrek 2

[@SireJaxs]

you will never be a real woman.

[@apertureAI-jw1iz]

It's so fucken surreal to see a guy from a generic fantasy pseudo-medieval world casually say '"transgender" like it would just so happen to have a modern day word for that.

[@awsomedude23456]

I believe anything can be done, if it’s written well. Unfortunately this isn’t. This could’ve been easily solved by calling it transmutation magic, something that probably already exists in that world. They can even use it as part of the conflict between old and new magic. Like how old magic was used to change other inanimate objects. But the new magic version could be used to change living beings. It would’ve fit great into sages storyline, as there are endless possibilities with transmutation, and a natural thing within the world, and could’ve even brought snapdragon and sage closer, since they already seem to have feeling for each other. I’m not even LGBTQ but because I know good writing it doesn’t matter

[@lealista_imperial]

"PARRY THIS YOU FILTHY CASUAL"...

[@tawnyt3935]

It is hilarious that literally nobody likes this scene regardless of where they fall on the political/social spectrum.

[@rulerzreachf4n200]

Ikr. I’m a trans guy myself and I hate how they went about representing it personally.

[@R0ckdrigo1743]

Yeah, i´m questioning my gender, but this is just horrible.

[@10thletter40]

Yeah I'm transphobic and dislike the scene as well. I'm really glad we all can agree ☺️ Joking, and either way, doesn't mean you should mistreat people. Everyone deserves respect and kindness 👏👏

[@tawnyt3935]

@@10thletter40 It only constitutes as transphobic if you actively disrespect and mistreat them- you have an opinion, is all.

[@10thletter40]

@@tawnyt3935 Well I know I'm not transphobic but usually if I jump the gun and call myself that then it usually dissuades people from being angry 😓 which angering random people is not quite so fun

[@trparnell87]

"Is that your sister?" "That's me." "What?" "I've grown a lot since then >chuckle

[@VezixHaikal]

@@justinsigler1565 eitherway is fine, they shouldnt make a big deal out of it, simple nod of understanding and respect of one decision is more than suffice

[@kenonerboy]

That wouldnt work. Rosemary would use female pronouns.

[@trparnell87]

@@kenonerboy if she was using male pronouns before then I think she'd keep it up.

[@blitz4506]

@@justinsigler1565 or not, their choice 🤷‍♂️

[@TheDapperSaint]

Yeah honestly would have been a lot better since he identifies as male and I'm sure most people could have put two and two together.

[@someguyontheinternet8793]

I just watched the “fan” made version of this scene, it had better visuals, better explanation, more emotion, better flowing dialogue, basically better everything in a technical sense. I just can’t believe how much worse the official version is, you would think that a team that prides themselves so much on being progressive that they only talked about how diverse their team is in the first look(they really hired only white women) would at least be able to write a decent trans character, but I’ve seen better trans representation in 90s movies and I’m convinced that I could write a better character in a 10 minute timeframe

[@kittiecandy747]

where omg

[@peric0540]

@@kittiecandy747 i don't know if this is what they're referring to, but I found this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPIfJ1qf9pjd6M

[@seraphywang4638]

@@kittiecandy747 I think they are talking about this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPIfJ1qf9pjd6M

[@granolabar8432]

@@kittiecandy747 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPIfJ1qf9pjd6M

[@ellieang2244]

Can you sent the link

[@Ratburger_]

“Who’s that?” “Me I’m transgender.” “K. Back to my mom.” Words cannot describe my hatred for this scene.

[@horridk3070]

"You were a girl?" "*Chuckles* Well, not exactly." Literally could have cut down this scene by 30 seconds.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

@Puss in Boots for some people maybe but I don’t think most people define themselves by their body, if they did I think most people would commit suicide.

[@samueleinhorn6713]

@Puss in Boots statistically-speaking suicide rates are higher for teenagers who identify as transgender and can't take puberty blockers

[@samueleinhorn6713]

@Puss in Boots you sound like a transphobic bigot. I can look up sources and send them to you if you want but if you're just disbelieving off of a lack of evidence you're probably just a discriminatory person.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

@Keenan Hunter du fuk?

[@samueleinhorn6713]

@@MachacaMamela344 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnyqaWCtqc5phc0 Start at the beginning he goes into a lot of detail about where the suicide rates actually come from

[@1988foxtrot]

"Mom! I want representation!" "No honey, we have representation at home." *representation at home*

[@WrongNumber76]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 na their the same crap bruh

[@thetornquads3968]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 Is fake corpo crap really better than the reality? I don't think so, it's insidious.

[@von_lewis]

😂

[@davidsplooge14]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 that's a low standard lol

[@laultimarebanada]

*I M T R A N S G E N D E R*

[@fattesttitsincairo]

Yes, I too awkwardly recite the wikipedia page on transgender identities when asked about my past, and then proceed to detail the various methods of transitioning I’m undergoing. Very natural, accurate dialogue.

[@Isabella-tu9fb]

Was the explanation that bad?

[@user-js1sn2de7e]

@@Isabella-tu9fbI mean, the explanation works, but it didn’t feel like normal dialogue between a teenager and adult. Which is what the writers where aiming for. 😅

[@Isabella-tu9fb]

@@user-js1sn2de7e Ohk. I see what you mean

[@kenny_vs_the_world]

My bro really looks like a Pokémon professor 💀

[@blasterek04]

Jeez, right! He looks like a Sycamore!

[@sukumadehk]

I think you mean my gal 😅

[@estherhazina889]

And his name is Carroway, like plant)

[@snowmansblood5754]

"I'm transgender." "I don't know that word." "Well, let me feed you a textbook explanation and clumsily tie it into the worldbuilding so the setting doesn't fall apart from thinking too hard"

[@goodmachines7743]

It’s sad when you have the potential to make a good scene, and then opt out to make a lecture about it instead…

[@lucylu3342]

It would have been so easy to just go: "I used my magic to change my body, you know, cause we're wizards." But they decided to be extra weird with it in this FANTASY world with literal wizards and threw in potion nonsense.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

How dare a teacher actually teach with an incredibly basic one sentence description

[@goodmachines7743]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 It's HOW the description was delivered that's the problem.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

@@goodmachines7743 there’s literally no problem with it unless you’re either offended by people stating facts or just offended by trans people in general.

[@axelvoss9653]

friendly reminder that the creators of this show believe it is meant for *mature audiences* I felt like a child the way it explains transgenderism to me.

[@carrastealth]

I wish I ran into more adults that knew what transgenderism is. Sadly social media wasn't the place to search :3

[@clairestark9024]

The shows written by fat middle class nerdy women in their 40's with limited interactions outside their social groups. I feel this explains a lot of the dialogue.

[@FunkySpaceAlien]

That's my problem more than anything? If this was on Cartoon Network instead, then I can forgive the writing more. At least they're trying to educate a young demographic. When this series is marketed as "mature", you don't have to explain these concepts in such simple manners. I'm sure most adults understand the basic details of being transgender

[@amandap7733]

Also I'm pretty sure the creator is trans himself so you think he would have been able to convey this whole thing better.

[@clairestark9024]

@@amandap7733 trans doesn't automatically mean you can write well. I know if someone asks me what it means to be any of my identifiers I'm not going to articulate it well and looking at a lot of the contributors they come across as the sort of people whose lgbt experiance is heavily online, hyper nerdy and very very middle class

[@PulchritudinousMinx]

"You were a girl?" "I was, but being a girl didn't feel right for me.. It didn't feel like the real me." "Wow, but you're happier now, right?" "Yes, yes I am." "*Sigh* I hope mom was here to feel the kind of happiness you're feeling." "I know, me too." I might have no idea wtf this show is about but damn this scene should've went something like this or any of the comments in this comment section.

[@setsu-chon]

This sounds so wholesome!

[@ruegenthedragon]

"monthly potion"??? this feels like the same as paying for a netflix subscription ಠ_ಠ

[@animelvr329]

“I hAvE tO tAkE a PoTiOn OnCe A mOnTh” literally had me on the floor, wtf were the writers thinking with this shit

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

_C'mon, man! This ain't no fantasy world- magic has its limits!_ (*rubs face,* Sweet Jesus, this is bad...)

[@pixelk8261]

I think its supposed to be a metaphor for testosterone shots?? Even then its super clunky and not really necessary given the fact magic exists in the first place

[@nukiradio]

@@pixelk8261 I think saying not even magic can permanently change gender is such a dropped ball

[@randombox8142]

@@nukiradio so true this makes me feel uncomfortable

[@lilo19951995]

@@nukiradio seriously. the fuck

[@thescotsman5366]

You didn't have to explain it like your audience is 8

[@autumnbreeze_official]

Sadly we do on a daily

[@camotophat]

Now now, the audience is only 5.

[@punkgrl325]

Meanwhile, the characters still swear like it’s nothing lmao

[@T_E_G]

But apparently the main character is lol

[@Puddingskin01]

The mental age of the people who wrote it is like, five, so it fits.

[@foxywoxy0w068]

Since everyone’s doing a rewrite attempt, I figured I would give it a go! “Who is that girl next to my mum? Is that your sister?” “No, that’s actually me.” “Wait, you were a girl?” “Yes, I was.” “If you don’t mind me asking, how did you know my mum anyway?” “Oh no I don’t mind, and since you asked, I met your mum when we were kids. We became good friends fairly quickly and at the time I was still unsure about myself, I didn’t feel comfortable with who I was. Your mother, loved to help people out and she wanted to help me. It took a few years, and I encountered many struggles and challenges through it all but your mother helped me overcome them and now I’m happy with who I am.” “That’s mum for you, she loved helping others... I miss her.” “Yeah, I miss her too...”

[@MXALOVE]

i'd rather they not tell us at all and give us subtle hints throughout the story that could definitely tie into it being true but no let's just give them a badge that says "Hello, My name is Transgender"

[@roarshach13]

"I take a potion once a month to keep the spell active." Jesus Christ, people this is FANTASY. You could just make it a permanent effect with no hassle. Did you really need to make a magical allegory for hormone treatments?

[@ryomoro]

There is an old anime called Dirty Pair and in it you have an actual trans-woman and she just took something that make her a permanent woman cause we are in a sci-fi series. Just giving you some good stuff to watch and forget this crap that need to be "duuuh realistic uuuh"

[@roarshach13]

@@ryomoro thanks! I've heard of the show but didn't know that little tidbit! I'll def give it a watch now!

[@nebulamess6875]

Must be because of old magic, or new magic, or just magic EDIT: wait no he said new magic....but what is new magic?!

[@ikedaren_29336]

@@nebulamess6875 right?? the show never even explains it (from my knowledge; haven’t watched the show for good reason) even though it’s this whole theme

[@thechroniclegamer4285]

They should’ve just made an allegory for the entire thing

[@grey1916]

"You were a girl?" "Not exactly. You could say I went through a lot of changes over the years before truly becoming myself. It wasn't always easy but your mother was with me through every step along the way." "*sigh* I'd give anything to know where she is right now." "Me too, kid. Me too." Fixed your shit

[@J221.]

Nice

[@annaferns1840]

that's weirdly wholesome, wow

[@grey1916]

@@annaferns1840 I wanted to address the character's identity in a respectful and natural way while not taking away from what was supposed to be the conversation's focus, that being the mom

[@3Guys1Video]

This is why we need a fandub

[@Lemieux_channel]

This is the best written one I’ve seen in the comments by far! It still explains that part of the character’s backstory in a wholesome way but does it more through subtext rather than blatant explanation👍

[@ratboy2]

im literally sobbing how did they make this _so_ bad

[@keratopsian]

still can't believe ACTUAL HUMAN BEINGS wrote this scene 💀

[@quibee8234]

Rewriting it: “You were a girl?” “Not exactly. I used to have a girl’s body, but I knew that, on the inside, I was meant to be a boy, so I used magic to make me look like a guy on the outside to reflect who I am on the inside. That’s besides the point though. This isn’t exactly about me, is it?” “Yeah.. I’d give anything to see my mum right now…” “Me too…”

[@sara-br7ef]

Imagine self-inserting yourself into a play to only tell your audience that you indirectly take testosterone once a month.

[@Densester]

Imagine being trans and makign the magic fucking potion run out in a month.

[@10thletter40]

Exactly like nobody came up with a better fudging potion in that whole time? Feel like someone probably patented it or something. Do they have patents in this world to make sure people constantly need a new supply so they make lots of money?

[@lucasoliver2571]

A lot of show-runners (like Rebecca Sugar, Dana Terrance and etc) make self-insert in their own shows, why is this an exception?

[@sara-br7ef]

@@lucasoliver2571 the difference is that here it seems that only the director of the series self-inserted himself into the story to simply explain what transsexuality is, something that the target audience already knows and which adds nothing to the plot.

[@lucasoliver2571]

@@sara-br7ef ohhhh ok

[@chippydippy1530]

They could’ve just shortened it to something like “Wait, that’s you?” “Magic does wonders, doesn’t it?” And just leave it like that.

[@goodmachines7743]

Yeah, and if they still asked how this could be done, I feel it could’ve tied into the themes a lot better. “How did you do that? And why?” “How? Easy; magic. As to why… um… how do I put this… have you ever wanted to change something about yourself, just because you didn’t like it?” “I… guess I have.” “Well… I didn’t like being a woman, so I changed into a man.” Like, no matter what, they could’ve gone with literally any approach and it would’ve been infinitely better.

[@chillah7795]

I approve of your pfp

[@yoshidaaimi34]

Are you suggesting they should have good writing? You know that's a crime, right?

[@paradoxzee6834]

Wait are you saying they don't need to be in your face, leave some to the imagination and have some subtlety? But than this would not be a self inserted fanfic

[@Strawberryrot]

I don't get the problem, it's not that long

[@wrathbarkwrath]

I love how even trans ppl are also uncomfortable with this

[@juanandrescastillofuenmayo6619]

Write a character Make it interesting, fun, give him a purpose in the plot ... Then make him LGBTQ+ Just like that Is that too much to ask?

[@buttermeat6529]

I love forced LGBT representation, way more progressive than making a genuine character that the audience can identify with who just so happens to be trans. lmfao

[@user-ip2ci4ql8g]

They barely tried to make it natural smh

[@3Guys1Video]

:/ man

[@sadtomat0]

eh good for a kids show ig, personally not a big fan either but he explains it enough that my 6yo niece gets the gist of it.

[@chocomin5059]

@@sadtomat0 The show is actually for mature audiences

[@A_Peachy]

"forced" I bet you didn't even watch to get to this scene and understand that there was nothing forced

[@tawnyt3935]

Ideally: "Is that your sister?" "Ah no, that's me." "You're a girl?" "Not anymore, new magic has come a long way since then, hasn't it?" "Oh, you're right!.. hmmm ohh I'd give anything to know where mom is.." keeps it brief, lore-compliant, and relates to the protagonist girl's current interest so that her quickness to understand is supported by the "enthusiastic about magic" facet of her character all the while conveying representation in a way that isn't patronizing.

[@n-extrafries-surprise]

This is so much better! tho what also ails this scene for being what it is, terrible yeah, is that the lower than subpar voice acting and terrible audio quality (for some reasons I can't explain)

[@tawnyt3935]

@@n-extrafries-surprise Yes, of course- that too is important.

[@speedylewder120]

This comment made this whole scene more pointless then ever just make it simple

[@thanglongnguyenvu3815]

Ok, I'm ngl, that's a better and more subtle dialogue, and it explains more than the original one.

[@joddelrealingo7737]

goes to show they know jack shit about storytelling

[@paulakurzawinska8654]

It hurts to watch how unnatural this scene is...

[@CookiehsAndDreams]

Carraway’s entire existence is just, “omg, I’m trans, I’m so ✨quirky✨”

[@visky_9659]

isn't that how it is?

[@alecperdeau650]

Wow, they almost dedicated an entire minute to that checkbox.

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

Closer to 30 seconds.

[@ahoyforsenchou7288]

@@JohnEusebioToronto >implying anything more than .00000001 seconds is acceptable.

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

@@ahoyforsenchou7288 I don't get what everyone hates about this scene. A character takes 30 seconds to explain why they're no longer female. Seems like a pretty good use of time and a pretty natural question to answer. Is simply explaining "I'm transgender, which means this" unacceptable?

[@hinamatsuro1908]

@@JohnEusebioToronto Because this could've just been hinted at and not dedicated a whole scence,ITS AN ADVENTURE SHOW,Maybe it would fit in a show like q force where the point of the show is to show representation for the community but your gonna loose the audience "if you have any" that's there for the action. Also what other attributes do they have to their character other than being trans?

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

@@hinamatsuro1908 That’s a coward’s way out. “Let’s have an LGBTQ+ character, but it’ll be a secret.” Why should it only have to be hinted at? Why can’t a character use exist and it be explicit that they exist? Or should trans people only say they’re trans if they’re on explicitly LGBTQ+-targeted shows? I’m not attached to High Guardian Spice in the least, but this stupid idea of “just don’t say they’re trans” just sounds like people whining that trans people exist and they can’t pretend trans people don’t exist.

[@lilacthornbutt1503]

Remember, folks; Trans representation is a good thing, but when a character's entire premise revolves around this one trait of theirs, it's one-dimensional and overall bad writing.

[@goodmachines7743]

And, ironically, it does more harm than good in the long run, because it makes it seem the writers don’t consider LGBTQ+ people as real thinking people with deep personalities and feelings.

[@nerd4551]

People who try to show support for the “community” just make it worse I think people should just stop showing representation for this “community”

[@lonestarlibrarian1853]

@@nerd4551 Pretending people who are trans or aren’t straight don’t exist is at least as bad as this over the top representation, though from the quotations you put around community, well, can definitely already guess at your own positions on this stuff.

[@goodmachines7743]

@@nerd4551 Representation is fine. BAD representation isn't.

[@nerd4551]

@@goodmachines7743 agreed

[@pleblep2741]

I feel like this scene was made just so trans people and cis people can set their differences aside and dunk on it universally

[@lachacat8yago867]

Rosemary's Voice Actor actually did a good job, props to her. And I personally think the art style is very nice and cute, ahh the wasted potential 😭

[@nikkidesu9236]

I can appreciate them trying to explain what transgender means, but isn't this supposed to be a show targeted toward anime fans? For fucks sake, The Owl House is a Disney animated show that did not have to explain what a same-sex relationship or non-binary means.

[@axeldude7051]

Ironic that a children’s show can represent queer people better in this situation. Sexuality and gender expression do not need an explanation to be on shows, they just need to be seen

[@zyrahanne2103]

I especially love Owl House for that, like they didn't force a gender and just shown that it's possible to like the same sex like it's natural, everything about them is just so wholesome and it's even better they focus on the plot and not the gender

[@xduwu4257]

it's kind of condescending tbh. what person watching this wouldn't know what a trans person is? on top of that why doesn't the pink haired girl know what a trans person is? it's not like she's a little kid-i mean she kind of looks like once but I think the characters are supposed to be teenagers.

[@zyrahanne2103]

@@xduwu4257 I've read this on a comment before, I forgot their name, saying their target demographic must be people with adult bodies and minds of children...

[@cupio-stardust]

@@xduwu4257 They’re middle schoolers I think.

[@Takimeko]

"I'm transgender." "idk wat u mean" *Proceeds to read off an entire article* "okay but this other persom im looking for tho"

[@erdrickortega6722]

Right??? The whole exchange was so awkward.

[@tsukaem]

are we not gonna talk about the potion thing

[@Takimeko]

@@tsukaem The potion thing imo is only stupid because he already had to use "new magic". Surely in this fantasy world magic should be able to just instantly turn you into your desired gender. I feel it would've made more sense if he simply consumed potions, since I can buy that some potion isn't gonna work forever and you'd need continual consumption to keep it going.

[@BATSS_]

Right- like why was her reply so off topic? “I love to eat this specific food we’re talking about right now” “*right I love playing outside*” The whole conversation didn’t make sense

[@mimaaellian2678]

@@BATSS_ originally she was looking at pictures of her mom and then he just kinda.. brought it up

[@slightlysillyfella]

"is that your sister?" "No, that's me." "Are you a girl?" "No, I'm a trans guy." And move on Boom, fixed!

[@hoghuhaghu8506]

"Is that your sister?" "No, I am the storm that is approaching Provoking black clouds in isolation I am reclaimer of my name Born in flames, I have been blessed My family crest is a demon of death Forsakened, I am awakened A phoenix's ash in dark divine Descending misery Destiny chasing time"

[@blitzmane9177]

Professor Caraway: “I’m transgender” Me: using NASA’s satellite to find out who tf asked 📡

[@smolderiing7166]

I mean, pink hairred girl asked

[@sophiaredwood5825]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@curefestive1774]

I mean Rosemary kinda asked. lol

[@MikipatamBR]

GOD.. I physically cringed with this.. That's rare..

[@alter2142]

I saw your comment and thought “Hm. I wonder why? Was is that bad?”. Then I heard him say, “I’m transgender”. And I too physically cringed.

[@shane7834]

Why tho I'm not sure why this is upsetting

[@alter2142]

@@shane7834 I really don’t care that She thinks she’s a guy. But why must they shove their LGBT agenda down our throats and every given point. Just let the show be a decent show without your ideals getting in the way.

[@amarixox]

@@alter2142 there is no agenda

[@arandomperson6622]

@@alter2142 this is literally just a TV show if you don't like this people don't wach it😃

[@stinkynorsk5883]

As a trans guy, the 'acTuALlY I'm tRaNsGenDeR' scene was especially insulting to me. Who was it made for?? It's equally patronising to trans folks and cis folks alike.

[@yesyesyes666]

Lmao it reads like a comedy.

[@Tioko]

Hey, did you watch the show? What do you think about Snapdragon?

[@peachbubble8652]

Lol I’m sure whoever wrote this dialog is not trans/has no idea what is insensitive

[@Tioko]

@@peachbubble8652 Well, considering that the VA for this character is the show director and an FtM trans person… It was at least approved by him, if not outright written by him.

[@k-master973]

As he proceeded to explain it I began physically cringing. I’m very much about representation and have been learning a lot more about the LGBT+ community lately, but it was just so stilted and *weird*

[@FreakyToey]

He’s the only design that doesn’t make me want to gouge my eyes out

[@J3mx_Droid]

“Wait? Is that you when you were little?” “Yes it was, I was born as a girl but didn’t feel comfortable in myself, but now with magic I can be who I am.” Fixed it for you

[@webbe8292]

I mean, I have nothing against LGBT representation and stuff, but this was so damn forced. There's no need to explain the entire concept of being trans, just mention it briefly and move on.

[@ItzaMystri]

@Pan Zo It does try to do that, I'll agree, but idk it still feels really forced here. Like the conversation grinds to a halt for them to explain it.

[@user-jm6cl6fj1l]

@Pan Zo 30+ seconds long isn’t briefly

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

@Pan Zo This was not brief. Brief would be "haha, no I'm trans" "oh ok"

[@goodmachines7743]

@Pan Zo No, the whole scene stops just so they can explain what ‘trans’ is, as if the audience is 3. While it could be somewhat excused, considering he’s talking to a child who asks him questions about it… it still could’ve been handled in a way that doesn’t screech things to a halt.

[@sonicspeedkaleb134]

I think he went into detail so Rosemary could understand better, since she openly admitted to not knowing the word transgender.

[@iwanek4382]

Holy shit. Not only did they need to explain what a transgender is in 2021, they also felt the need to explain how this poor guy needs to make a potion every single month so he can stay the way he is. This is horrible.

[@klamacz47]

You would be suprised by how many people dont know what transgender is lmao

[@kenonerboy]

Because this really wants to be a kids show but cant.

[@blitz4506]

That wouldnt be an issue if this was a kids show

[@zesshizestumei7264]

poor female*

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

Who is their target audience here? I'd think it would be the people asking for more representation in media but... I don't think the people asking for more trans representation need a 23 second explanation on what trans means

[@Spibb98]

I found it uncomfortable how they treated the teacher nicely while they bash all the other guys in the show- Rlly giving me the message of "We don't see you as a guy" Although it could be me reading into this too much, plus I never watched the show just some clips- [and I could barely stomach the clips]

[@itzjobi]

Forcing transgender plots into a show randomly without any sort of backstory or emotion is strange at best.

[@aspwned]

"is that your sister?" "it's me, actually." "you were a girl?" "well, magic can change a lot of things." that's it. that's all you needed

[@blueshit199]

but he needs to take tes- I mean potion once a month

[@whade62000]

"This job...It changes you. More than you think. Why, Thyme used to be white!"

[@Imperials3nate]

@@blueshit199 Hah! Companies like mine backed by the "lust-bunnies" known as DevientArt-eptises have permanent TG magic!

[@federicopalacios7439]

This isn't even a kid's show and yet they felt the need to explain the audience what transgender means. Meanwhile in One Piece, and actual show for kids and teens, you have characters like Kikunojo who's just a badass samurai trans girl, yet no one explains anything about her identity, she's just another character. That's what representation is about.

[@yesyesyes666]

bro look at Hanji from AOT who is canonically non binary in the manga. or Yukito, Touya, and Syaoran from card captor sakura who are all bi or gay. or even Crona from Soul Eater who is also non binary. All these characters are LGBT and still badass. These are examples of good representation, where they are bamf and still gay like kikunojo.

[@primeoctober]

@@yesyesyes666 Don't forget about DIO, that dude is bisexual and he's badass

[@nutanddash8552]

have you guys read fire punch that manga got a character that my trans friends all like

[@Oboromaru]

For real. They got the point across about Kiku without it being drawn out. Just a quick "are you a man?" "I'm a woman at heart" and then the conversation turned to the mask she was wearing. This dude here just gave a whole damn lecture to a high schooler about how he transitioned. And honestly, I totally dont believe that the MC, at high school age and being surrounded by as many people from the LGBT community as she is, doesnt know what being trans means. In the context of this universe it really doesnt make sense when you think about it. Unless she was extremely sheltered before going to the academy, idk, I havent actually watched the show. The whole potion explination thing also sounds so dumbed down to the point it sounds like how a parent would explain it to a very young child.

[@regiman222]

In-universe One Piece has the benefit of Ivonkov being able to literally transition you with a stab of their finger, and several of his companions (As well as the big-headed, Tim Curry looking fucker himself) switch back and forth whenever they feel like it.

[@rottenappple3716]

Honestly I’ve seen worse. Admittedly I don’t have the context, but I feel the biggest issue with this scene is the somewhat stale delivery by the voice actor. It’s cool that they went out of the way to confirm that this person is transgender, but honestly all they needed was a better performance and some tweaks to the lines to make them sound a tad more natural.

[@Burgerboy]

As subtle as bashing orphan skulls in with bricks. I love you, Western entertainment. You never fail to disappoint me.

[@eyeball_freak]

As a trans person, I hate how this was done. Why can’t this character be trans and not have to explain being trans? Why can’t he just exist? Why can’t they make it more subtle like, having a photo in the background of him before he transitioned? In the owl house, there’s a non binary character and they don’t sit down and explain being non binary, they’re just non binary and people understand and respect that! And the owl house is a kid’s show! But for some reason this cartoon for mature audiences feels the need to explain being transgender like it’s a show for babies

[@kjw21411]

Well the character he's explaining it to is a child right? Maybe it's not meant to be an explanation for the audience

[@eyeball_freak]

@@kjw21411 1. If it’s not for the audience then why is it there? It doesn’t serve a purpose 2. Even if it’s meant for the characters, it’s still poorly done and clunky 3. I’m 99% sure that this was done to explain the trans gender potions but why not just explain the potions in the scene with the teacher and Snapdragon? It’s more relevant since Snapdragon is implied to be a closeted trans girl

[@kjw21411]

@@eyeball_freak I must admit, I haven't actually watched episodes of the show so I'm just going by the context of this scene

[@eyeball_freak]

@@kjw21411 I’ll admit something too, I haven’t watched a full episode on my own either, the only reason I know about the Snapdragon and teacher scene is because someone on KZbin rewrote it and I was going off that. No way I’m paying for HGS lmao

[@eyeball_freak]

@@kjw21411 but the point is, this scene was done poorly and didn’t really have a purpose other than lazily shoving world building in a scene that didn’t really need it or at least could’ve used a better explanation

[@sharkanenoa5928]

This feels like the show that people THOUGHT "She Ra and the Princesses of Power" was going to be

[@Sparkster911]

Heck, after putting the show on the shelf for a long time, I'd rather watch that instead of this

[@zakarimaddix3721]

@Sparky you should it's actually pretty good and doesn't force anything into it, it just is.

[@goodmachines7743]

THAT show was actually good, and handled the subject much better and with more respect and care than these people do…

[@mariocanario9943]

she ra is 100% more better

[@cmdrjanjalani]

Netflix She Ra is pretty good. Don't just buy the anti-SJW rants who keep saying the show was bad based on screenshots.

[@DannyJ3636]

wtf are those png chairs

[@AriPlayz08]

🤣🤣

[@ws6778]

Writers once: *do not label characters in any shape or form* Audience: BAD, WE GONNA CANCEL YOU FOR ERASING A MINORITY! Writers now: *explicitly address a minority* Audience: BAD, WE GONNA CANCEL YOU FOR CASHGRABBING OVER PROGRESSIVE WOKENESS! Writers again: *do not label characters in any shape or form* Audience: BAD, WE GONNA CANCEL YOU FOR ERASING A MINORITY! Ah, the duality of men i say. I am also a trans person, even in my own right to write my thoughts about the topic, not even I am immune to criticism anyway, so do not fear writing about the topic, people are gonna criticize you always anyway no matter what.

[@AnaFolkenstal]

LOL Spends an entire minute to explain, then the pink hair is like "well, moving on"

[@robertanderson9447]

And you can tell he's annoyed, but doesn't want to show it.

[@Densester]

@@robertanderson9447 Much like the actual trans crew members I suppose.

[@jessamynroguski9649]

"Obligitory trans representation, now back to *my* probelms"

[@indigowendigo8165]

Yeah, something about these characters sometimes seem unintentionally selfish and immature for "heroes", although I guess I can get that if the work acknowledges that, least of all since their kids/teens, and actually gives them eventual character development, like Coraline in the titular movie of the same name, but if they don't, then, well... :p

[@spooderlover3512]

I remember a scene in suicide squad where captain boomerang is making a joke about how Harley is crazy while katana is having a rather intense emotional scene with crying over her husband's sword, and the movie keeps cutting between the two shots as if they don't clash at all. Somehow that is more consistent in tone than this

[@EinsamPibroch278]

OG Suicide Squad was better tbh. I was actually okay with HGS, not huge holes or problems, but still plenty of tiny cracks and blemishes that make me realize the Writers don't know how to tell a proper story. They don't know how to have normal conversation.

[@redsnake188]

This was that scene just before the second act of the movie where after they've been introduced. Katana hops in "that's katana her sword steals souls" and it was just "wtf was that"

[@camilabertolini5050]

This is katana. She's got my back. She'd cut all of you in half with one sword stroke just like mowing the lawn. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims.

[@g1-Michigan]

@@camilabertolini5050 I fucking loved that razzle video

[@DevineInnovations]

Which Suicide Squad? Regular or The?

[@Jaeden-Man89]

Caraway: I met Lavender back when we were both first-year students here. We had a lot in common with you and your friend Sage. Rosemary: You were? Caraway: Oh yeah, We were inseparable. This was us in our first hours. Heh, I guess you can say we were dorks for magic back then. Rosemary: Wow! Mom looked very professional in her new uniform. And who is this? Is she your sister or something? Caraway: (Chuckles) Actually, That happens to be me. Rosemary: You used to be a girl? Caraway: Well... Yes, but not exactly. Rosemary: What do you mean? Caraway: Well you see, I was born in a female body; however, I wasn't content with this role. I adopted new transmutation magic to transform my physical form. Rosemary: Wow. I didn't know magic like that was possible. Caraway: And as I have grown up, I have gone through many changes. And While it wasn't always easy, your mother was always by my side. Rosemary: (Sigh) I'd give anything to see my mom again.. Caraway: Yeah. So would I. Boom! Better dialogue

[@yoshisaurus234]

*_"I'm transgender"_* Straight and forward 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 *_"I take a potion once a month"_* LAME magic 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@monikorasort]

I’m a trans person, and this is literally the worst way to represent us. Seriously, just say that you were going through a phase when the photo was taken and that’d be a better explanation. I hate cringey forced dialogue like this

[@incerno159]

I feel sorry that you people gotta be represented like this.

[@cupio-stardust]

@@incerno159 it then leads to us being called cringe and that no one would want to be friends with us. 😔

[@incerno159]

@@cupio-stardust I noticed. A lot of people that I see trying to hamfist that topic just don't end up with any friends. I have a lot of friends that are trans and I don't label them as such. We're more than our labels after all.

[@sweetstar8435]

What makes it bad representation? (I'm not asking to be rude I just genuinely don't understand)

[@StudioUAC]

you're still a woman.

[@pokeluis2002]

“That’s me, actually.” “You were a girl?” “Yup. The wonders of modern magic, amirite?” There! I’ve just make the dialogue much better

[@ryomoro]

This remind me that woman from Pokemon X/Y

[@Magiicaldog]

Nah, a trans boy was never a girl

[@chandra_creator]

@@Magiicaldog some trans guys _do_ see their transition as "I went from being a woman to being a man", while many of us see it as, "I was a man who had to live as a woman". That's just a perspective thing + what a person thinks "being a woman" "being a man" means (if living as one is the same as being one or not)

[@sunnex474]

Let’s try to fix it: “You were a girl?” “I was, but it was when I met your mother that I found someone who didn’t try to shape me into what *they* wanted me to be and instead what *I* wanted me to be. I felt different from what my birth had selected for me and so it was that attitude from your mother that made me act upon those differences, and eventually I found an old spell which was exactly what I was looking for.”

[@rimfire8217]

Oh that would accomplish multiple things in this scene

[@thepopo592]

0:41 even in fantasy magic land transgender people are still forced to maintain their prescription 💀

[@alyssabullock6421]

somehow the lengthy explanation just makes it worst. He couldve just been like "Oh, it's me, actually. Hehe, not what you expected huh?" with a smile, and the pink hair, though confused, smiles back and nods because she can simply respect that fact and move on.

[@goodmachines7743]

And that would’ve reflected onto the audience too. I feel that is how you build actual tolerance; showing people without making a big deal out of it.

[@indigowendigo8165]

I like that, I think that would be cute. ^^; And it's funny how some of us don't even know or remember what the names of some of these characters are, LOL. XD Oh yeah, it's literally Rose or Rosemary kind of like Rose Quartz from Steven Universe, right, because she's so pink? :p Yeah, I remembered it mainly from the "cis male antagonist" vids...

[@goodmachines7743]

@@indigowendigo8165 Pretty much anyone that isn’t a main character is at least more interesting by comparison.

[@danwilliams1989]

Remember when Eda’s former flame on the Owl House was non-binary and they didn’t feel the need to bring it up or make a big deal about it? Why couldn’t this character do it?

[@didjargo]

Right? I honestly didn't catch that Raine was non-binary until the second or third occurance of calling them "they", then I looked it up online to be sure.

[@MegaChibirobo]

The fact that you're even using Owl House as a comparison makes this attempt at an "anime" even more laughable. It's cartoonish how hard this scene fails.

[@Andyatl2002]

@@MegaChibirobo, even using Owl House? The Owl House is a solid animated show, this just feels bad and unpolished.

[@introvertion6460]

@@MegaChibirobo owl house has more anime type animation then this shit

[@mercoslol5453]

Toon gringo= anime japanese????? Dude wtf

[@Smart-tz3tr]

I am on the writing of the cartoon and in this, there is a character named « Louis » in the first episodes. It’s planned that Louis will come out as a transgender but not before some episodes. Before that, I planned to leave some little hints about her discovering that she is transgender but only a little, since it’s not the main point of the character. And then, I have a few ideas for her coming out but I preferred to keep it simple. There is an episode when we saw her in the background, a little bit afraid and asking her best friend to come talk to her in privacy. After that, the episode goes on with the other characters and we don’t see her and her best friend before a long time. We only saw them 2 episodes after where now, her best friend and another friend call « Louis » as « Louise », showing that she made her coming out to her closest friends in the last episode, in the background. I am not transgender. I am kinda confused about myself I would say so I can’t tell you exactly what I am. But I don’t want to make forced representations because I know it’s bad. Of course, I have some LGBTQ characters planned in this cartoon. However, I am working a lot on their personality because the personality of these characters is extremely important for me. It’s something where I don’t want any mistakes so I am studying a lot about personalities, psychology, especially among children (the story starts when they are around 11-13 and then, they will grow up and change eventually), relationship etc… At the beginning, she was supposed to have made her coming out a long time ago. But based on the time period, the place where the story takes place and her family issues etc…I think it would have made more sense if she made her coming out only a few years later, when she feels ready. Plus, the main lesson of this cartoon is about growing up, discovering itself and things about the others. The kids start at the age of 11/13 and the cartoon will follow them until they get their BAC (high school final exam in their country). And maybe if it works, I could continue the story about their life in college/university ! So I prefer to make Louise slowly discover and understand who she really is and then, trying to find the courage to tell her best friend about it. But at the same time, since she only tells her best friends first (and the others will understand without having to ask Louise), I prefer to keep it secret, as something in the background because it’s a thing she first wanted to share with her closest friends and not with the others. So, I don’t know if my way to make the coming out of Louise is good. It’s just an idea. That doesn’t mean I am going to keep it. It depends on what people likes also and how the episodes and characters goes on.

[@rimfire8217]

Raye Rodriguez. Everyone else seems to be making fun of the “Self-Insert” but here’s the thing; Basing a character off yourself is actually very common. You write what you know, if a person knows themselves, maybe don’t discourage them from using a little of that. I think everyone is overlooking one pretty big thing. Raye Rodriguez, The Creator of this show, is a Trans-Man yet for some reason the trailer said that “our writers room is 100% female”

[@plushcentric]

Maybe he meant biological female? But even then it confuses me on whyd he say that.

[@nikonarshe9296]

All he had to say was, "I was a girl and now I'm not."

[@wojak-sensei6424]

"Why?" "...another time, perhaps." Three lines. All it takes is three lines to make at least one character interesting in that moment.

[@starmangalaxy2001]

"Is-Is that your sister?" "It's me actually." "You were a girl?" "Hehe, Yeah. What can I say? Magic can do a lot of useful stuff." (Extended in case they for some reason really hate subtly but want to keep it in theme) "I used to not feel comfortable as I was, so I tried a lot of things, being a dog, a bird, even a dragon, but Ultimately I decided I like this form the most." "Wow! Magic can do that?" "Yes it can, perhaps I could teach you how to do that someday if you want."

[@ajente2o254]

@@starmangalaxy2001 I swear to God this entire comment section have better writter than the actual show

[@siobhannoble8545]

@@wojak-sensei6424 So it's more "interesting" for a trans character to tip-toe around the fact that they are trans than to be open and honest about it? That's the kind of representation you want?

[@wojak-sensei6424]

@@siobhannoble8545 Less about the ham-fisted messaging and more of setting up some questions, dude. Like, what made him this way? Was there an event that motivated him to do so, or was it just his personal experience? And uh, the most important thing, they could actually stay on topic about Rosemary's mother. It's less about how to properly represent a trans person and more to do with opening potential character building to an otherwise secondary character. The fact that they used magic jargon as an allegory for transitioning is not the problem, it's the lack of subtly.

[@c7po457]

Is this real? No one voiced over the original? That dude's given me hope that even I can be a voice actor. If he can do it, anyone can!

[@klamacz47]

Yey

[@nerd4551]

Nobody wants to voice a trans dude

[@RprSonic]

Fun fact, that's actually the creator of this shit show. (Also it's a self insert. And so is Rosemary)

[@esorkgonzalez2262]

@@RprSonic Why does this not surprise me lmao

[@HelloWorldxx3]

@@RprSonic You mean creator as in a man? I believed this was voiced by a woman.

[@spider-cognito2220]

Im starting to think that this show is more cringe, more low quality, more degenerate than Velma

[@justinthawsetmyo4173]

All you had to do was. "You were a girl?" "Eheh, I'm transgender." "I see." And then continue the conversation

[@toxicgamer4687]

That over the top explanation was not necessary. All he had to do was say that he was a girl before but used magic later to become a man instead, and then the pink haired girl would ask if such a thing was possible to which he'd replay that he takes potions from time to time. I can't think of a better way to convey that he is trans without going off-topic and woke.

[@mavericksantos998]

Definitely sounds more tolerable. Still cringe.

[@autumnbreeze_official]

But he was never a girl. That's the whole point. He was always a man, but the body looked different

[@chickenflavor9880]

@@autumnbreeze_official 🤡

[@FJX716]

@@autumnbreeze_official that’s bullshit. Transitioning is a choice. It always has been. Kids see this they’re going to think gender is this “magical” thing you can change at will. It’s not something that should be treated lightly, it’s a life altering decision.

[@ryantheanimator1156]

Honestly doesn't matter how they do it, it's just all cringe in the end when it comes to the T stuff.

[@leonardozhang]

I have mixed feelings about this as someone who is trans. I get why they made it so obvious since the trans community is starved for that kind of thing. On the other hand, not all representation is good representation and the writing just comes off as clunky to me. Like this isn't how I, or anyone, would naturally talk about being trans, this is how you talk about being trans to children.

[@Jovviial]

I really don't get the negativity, at the end of the day, he IS explaining it to a child. The delivery is clunky but I for one love the he actually said the word transgender. I hate it when shows do "oh I was a boy but now I'm girl!" and never mention it again

[@MrSephirothJenova]

@@Jovviial To be fair, why would you ever need to bring up the character being transgendered more than once? Especially in this sort of setting and narrative. Well, I could actually think of a few reasons, but this show definitely didn't!

[@pandepipas7854]

I know what it doesn't feel right, is not for the trans topic or the clueless Rosemary, is for the exposition, they are making exposition. Exposition is the akwardess way to explain anything in a narrative, plus the bad writting like this people doesn't know how real humans talk, that's why the conversation feels so off :\

[@leonardozhang]

@@Jovviial Yeah I also like that they say transgender, lot of shows tend to dance around it but I feel like that's sort of the bare minimum when the story, dialouge and character writing is so awkward and basic. I want more nuance out of the shows I watch.

[@ejem2023]

para mi fue perfecto que lo dijera tal y como es , en ves de un chiste, no todo es un chiste weones, en si Mexico no han mucho que digan eso y ya creen que todo es forzado xD nomames se trata de ENTENDER Y RESPETAR , no burlarte y seguir con tu vida sin saber el termino , los mexicanos siempre pondran de una inclusion NO forzada al personaje que aparece en shrek. pero solo es una burla.

[@BUMBLEJAZZ10]

For a character to function as a representation is to present it through its actions and its way of interacting with others, not to tell us in front of our faces that it is trans

[@n00bplayer72]

How not to write a trans character: "Hello! I am transgender! Which means my gender is trans! Which means I transferred my gender! And now that my gender has been transferred I am much happier now!" Also reminds me of how the Star Wars High Republic series featured They/them jedi twins, and again, the characters in-story suddenly give a very blunt and conspicuous exposition to each other about how these twins are non-binary/non-conforming and that they use they/them pronouns. Like, bruh, show don't tell.

[@akifa2465]

They literally could say " I'm a wizard, I can change into anything. Watch. Now I'm a dragon" and it'll be like totally like so much like better like god....

[@goodmachines7743]

Yeah, like: “That’s the beauty with magic; it can make me into whatever I want.” It would’ve been so good! Profound even!

[@hannana.4319]

Yeah, I like that kind of subtlety. Like while you can make a character trans (or trans coded, I dunno what’s the proper word) you can sort of make up the reason for it cause they’re a shapeshifting being or wizard or something. So it fits like the world setting of fantasy ya know. Instead of just *outright* saying it…

[@goodmachines7743]

@@hannana.4319 Right. Like, all that's needed for you to know that this character is trans is that they show a photo of them as a woman, and then confirm it IS them. Boom! You know he switched genders, and you can also kind of infer why; they didn't like being a woman, so they transitioned. Bang! You know the character better, and thus you LIKE them more, because they seem more three-dimensional and interesting as a result.

[@akifa2465]

@@goodmachines7743 hahaha heck man, they could even drag this to a whole episode. Make it a mystery why the dude and the girl have the same name, same address, same school all that shit for him to just be like boom, I'm a wizard. Heck they could even make it a normal thing in the wizardin world without the exposition. Gravity falls made marryin to woodpecker more normal

[@goodmachines7743]

@@akifa2465 Exactly!

[@lightyearpig12]

Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts: By the way, Benson’s gay and he’ll be treated as normal, let’s move on. High Guardian Spice: Hey, you wanna learn from the creator about transgender people for almost a minute?

[@pipilili6241]

I love the representation in Kipo. The scene where Benson revealed that he's gay is natural and not forced unlike this piece of rubbish. Kipo confessed that she likes him, and he just replied that he's gay. No further explanation and cringe lecture about what gay is Things went normally and nobody questioning his sexuality. It just happened, and they treated Benson as any other character. This is why I love Kipo 🔥🔥

[@indigowendigo8165]

@@pipilili6241 I thought Kipo's representation was mostly average compared to Lumity though and could use some work though, as I don't remember much of anything from Benson's boyfriend and why, if I remember correctly, it was literally love at first sight between the two, I felt like that could be more realistic even if it wasn't cringy and forced, or they had a lot of relationship issues that made the canon ship seem questionable. :p It mostly just seemed brought up on occasion, except for the ending, at least to me. :? I guess that what happens sometimes when you have a lot of other plot elements to work with though... and I guess nobody else really needed or wanted a relationship that badly, just them, and I suppose that's okay too. :p

[@byelol6291]

Kipo and the age of wonder beast is amazing

[@rolosilver3256]

How about Adam in The Hollow?

[@ellieanator]

@@rolosilver3256 underrated asf (even two years later)

[@Melonmimi2001]

As a trans person, this representation is so forced and unnatural

[@yeetme434]

Welll... thats what happens when yall ask for pride and push it on to everything and everyone lmao, they made it sarcastic and stereotypical ain't it obvious , just pretend like the show is shit and it isn't dedicated to anything more than just seeing some dumb twink explaining himself "I'm Actually TrAns" .

[@prawnchips9461]

0:09 The animation/perspective when he bring his head near the album is so uncanny to me. It's like his body just float near her or like he stretch his body like a lizard people

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

They're explaining it like this kind of representation isn't exactly the reason people would be watching this show.

[@goodmachines7743]

They write it like it’s a tolerance seminar. While that is important, I don’t want a lecture while I’m watching a show or movie; you have to bake these things into the narrative, or else it becomes annoying.

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

@@goodmachines7743 People were thrilled to hear this kind of thing addressed so directly, something that would never happen on cable tv. And agreed. A show like Full House can stop everything and have the characters sit down and talk out their feelings, but in a show like this, or especially one with 11 minute episodes like Steven Universe, you can convey that two characters are still friends despite arguing without having them sit down and talk about it.

[@goodmachines7743]

@@thelastwindwaker7948 Yeah, that's actually a good comparison.

[@Foreseer117]

Jesus Christ that was the most awkward, painful exchange I've ever seen. There's more natural ways to incorporate that. Like, literally not using the words trans, because how he phrased it brought the dialogue to a dead stop. Of course he could have talked about gender dysphoria and how he used magic to make him feel more in line with who he is, also talk about how it pretty commonplace in their world because it's literally MAGIC. It could have been a solid character building moment but instead it's lazy clunky writing

[@strenifstrecs2551]

Honestly I doubt character building was the goal here. This was a educational seminar for the audience.

[@goodmachines7743]

Exactly! They could still have had this, but phrased it differently, just to make it flow better… but they picked the option that just makes people tired.

[@Foreseer117]

@@strenifstrecs2551 Ya this moment was probably meant to be preaching to the audience. From what I'm reading this character is voiced by one of the executives of the show who is a FtM themselves. So this character is more or less a self-insert.

[@Foreseer117]

@@goodmachines7743 I think we're too preoccupied with thinking they wanted to make this a good show. In all honesty this was something that was a 'passion project' and they stuffed it with so many 'progressive' talking points they didn't care how much it killed their narrative pacing.

[@goodmachines7743]

@@Foreseer117 Preaching like it's a preschool show aimed at an older audience.

[@fictionalcharactersaremylife]

"Who's that girl? She looks like you! Is she related to you?" "That *is* me" "YOU'RE A GIRL?!" "Was, Rosemary, was...being a girl just never felt right for me, but magic does amazing things, doesn't it?" "Was it hard to change into a boy?" "Yes, but Lavender stood by my side, every step of the way." "I miss my mom..." "Me too...me too..." Literally *so* easy

[@Danny4bidden]

Ya know those role play stuff that you find around the Internet? This character right here is the personification of it.

[@daz1543]

The absolute STATE of Crunchyroll

[@funkydanieluk]

This is going to make kids thinks transgenderism isn't real and is something you do with magic.

[@spooderlover3512]

On the plus side we'll have a generation that thought trans people were magicians

[@ItzaMystri]

Oddly enough it's not even a show for kids Despite how it looks (and how this scene plays out)

[@ItzaMystri]

@@weavilelover it has a disclaimer on every episode that says the show is not appropriate for children lol. I guess because there's blood and swearing in later episodes. I watched the first two episodes though and it was stuff only little kids would probably like. They're really confused about their audience

[@zereimu]

Technically it's not real in the sense that it's normally portrayed. People are not literally born into the wrong bodies, kids don't need to memorize these things. Just teach your kids biology properly and tell them somepeople behave differently than others or think things that are not necessarily true at times, so long as they don't bully trans people, nor allow themselves to be bullied by them. The big cringe is not just the pro trans stuff though, it's how they seem to have this "leftist"(so to speak) checkmark of things they need to include in the anime, it's so transparent it's annoying.

[@tochinomasuta4600]

Most excellent about time they realize it's fantasy

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

"Is this your sister?" "No, that's me actually." "You were a girl??" ...How could she even tell? He looks the same. Literally all that's different is his hair is shorter.

[@yoshisaurus234]

Probs twin sister but yea

[@bajablastenthusiast5692]

as a trans guy this was painful to watch i gritted my teeth in embarrassment that this is the trans representation we have

[@Stromboli2401]

I love how the conversation just shifts to her mom out of the blue, they really did just shove that in there.

[@kjw21411]

It doesn't shift out of the blue, they were talking about her mom before he said he was transgender

[@maddiemaccheese8170]

Ok genuinely this show was designed for middle schoolers. And that's not a diss at kids, but no one above the age of 13 needs this spelled out for them this explicitly. I don't know what they were thinking adding the cursing and blood when the script and visuals are so obviously oriented toward a young demographic.

[@klamacz47]

Ikr. Its so weird

[@heehooobsessor7907]

This show has no idea which audience it actually wants.

[@GreenTomas2372]

@@heehooobsessor7907 Or it has no idea what it's targeted demographic is

[@jacklong1844]

If it was Japanese, then it would most likely be considered a Shojo

[@tizzotyra]

He’s quite literally talking to a kid so it’s why he’s explaining it like that, and most people over the age of 13 are stupid when it comes to what trans actually means so they need it to be spelled out for them,

[@pokemonmanic3595]

Writers: Subtext? What’s that? 😅

[@Lonestarr022]

the VAing of this show feels like its a fandub.

[@kingpagie]

"Now remember Rosemary, this explanation will have zero baring on the plot later."

[@Zinervawyrm]

Plot twist! The Professor is Rosemary's real father! But that won't be revealed until season 12 episode 56!

[@meimeisabs6019]

Yo!!! It already has an abridged version

[@kingofflamingos4344]

Where?

[@madmantheepic7278]

@@kingofflamingos4344 This one, that's the joke i think

[@PurplexiaSphinx]

"I'm TransGender :)" is the worst line I have ever heard it's so much worse than anything I've experienced. It's worse than My Immortal. It's worse than every bad fanfic ever written because they had three years and Crunchyroll's budget to make this BS happen and it STILL sounds like this. It still LOOKS like that. Horrible.

[@PurplexiaSphinx]

One (1) fan made a better scene than the entire show

[@mae1427]

THE WAY SHE CHANGES THE SUBJECT 💀

[@pkmnan00bis]

Seems like a reach that Rosemary did NOT know any of this.

[@kenonerboy]

Why?

[@malachiowens3423]

@@kenonerboy uh cause she's a teenager

[@InnerAtanih]

@@malachiowens3423 and because allegedly he’s the moms best friend. You’d think this would’ve come up

[@Tioko]

@@InnerAtanih Well, she also didn’t know that he was her mom’s best friend. Snapdragon also didn’t know transgenderism is a thing. And Cal had a freakout about cross-dressing. Maybe gay relationships are normalized in this world, but trans people are still on the down-low 🤷🏻‍♀️ I mean, why would you bring it up if you can just change your body and nobody would ever know you were a different gender before?

[@kenonerboy]

@@malachiowens3423 why would a teenager in a fantasy setting know that?

[@Borderose]

Oh, God. "Fierce." The cringe flows like the Spice of Arrakis.

[@adityazee2280]

The cringe is so powerful even sandworm won't swallow it.

[@Cat-Daddy]

damn it's like 2015 buzzfeed again

[@lukefleming4215]

@@adityazee2280 You have to walk without rhythm to avoid feeling the cringe

[@cactusbunny1801]

It’s even cringier cuz the mom is doing the most basic pose 😭 what is fierce about her in that pic??

[@studiojiggly8112]

“I don’t know that word” 💀

[@AlejandraWohn]

Idk why, but felt like something for a kids show, the innocent question of transgender word, what it means and all, and the way so calm and gentle he explain so...Then realize this is a show for adults