The Most SERIOUS (and tasteless) Episode Of Family Guy

[@arino4u]

I think using quagmire to tell this story about domestic abuse could maybe work if they used it as a jumping off point to actually give quagmire some kind of arc where he realizes that the way he treats women isn't all that dissimilar from the way his sisters' abuser treats her. It's genuinely mindboggling that this parallel between quagmire and jeff never comes up like- quagmires whole schtick is that he disrespects women how the fuck is that not mentioned

[@hgmd3284]

The status quo demands rape

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Quagmire in reality is the most terrible choice for these soeecges. He is a womanizer attempting to cheer up his sister on getting stronger and then is used for a mouthpiece of the criticisms against Brian

[@1Hol1Tiger]

One of the biggest problems is that the Family Guy cast is so unlikable that the most easy to root for protagonist... Quagmire is canonlogically a rapist.

[@1Hol1Tiger]

​@@Thomasmemoryscentralthe fact that it's easy to love the rapist Quagmire and difficult to tolerate the socially progressive bleeding heart Brian shows how terrible the writing really is.

[@daahorse1652]

The problem here is that you expect continuity with Family Guy

[@Mothbean]

Even if this episode sucks shit, Quagmire surviving getting strangled and the "I choke myself every day, you bastard" line will always be funny to me.

[@VileThaMercenary]

I find the campfire scene before they fight also very hilarious

[@Sosatypeshi]

He just like me fr

[@pugtie4695]

😂

[@mexicandannyphantom2668]

I’m convinced the whole episode was made so that that joke could be made.

[@Sosatypeshi]

@@mexicandannyphantom2668 that'd be legendary

[@kap1618]

Anyone else notice Meg is absent from this episode. Wonder why. It did get one thing right. Men like Quagmire treat women like dirt but become hardcore feminist when a woman their related to gets abused.

[@erinmccutcheon3751]

She was in, though not for long.

[@kap1618]

@@erinmccutcheon3751 But last time I checked she had no speaking lines.

[@erinmccutcheon3751]

@@kap1618 She suggested that if Jeff loved Brenda enough, maybe she could change him. I don't need to tell you how that shouldn't apply to real life.

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@kap1618 Another issue with this, of all people they chose quagmire? the same quagmire who was arrested for stalking women in a bathroom to watch them piss and shit? the same guy who "tagged" asian women and kept them in his garage? the same guy who attempted to sexually assault connie damico? That quagmire? 😂😂

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

​@@Mclovinit8171i have no idea but the first time i hated this choice is Quagmires hypocritical rant in Jerome Is The New Black that involved him unloading all the fan criticisms on Brian and pulling up stuff out of his anus. Quagmire does not work at a soup kitchen and is the most obvious load of poop they inserted

[@dylanmcartoonell1536]

The fact that Brenda never showed up again despite Ida appearing a whole bunch just shows how little thought the writers put into her “character”.

[@mitchfletcher2386]

She shows up again, and it's heavily implied she died.

[@Ok.768]

​@@mitchfletcher2386 in What episode

[@redjasper91]

​@@Ok.768the episode where Peter goes into a coma, near the end of his dream sequence there's a boat filled with a bunch of past characters that have died which includes Brenda

[@Ok.768]

@@redjasper91 tysm

[@pppppwuei]

no shit? wtf could her character EVER do for the show other than this one episode? i mean we know nothing about her but she has NO personality to her character, in order to bring her back after this episode they would have had to fully flesh out her character, and adding a sister and fully fleshing her out randomly in the middle of a cartoon just isnt ever going to happen.

[@stevenfair3992]

Iraq Lobster is my favorite cutaway. Too bad it’s part of this episode.

[@MikhailKalashnikov-re4qu]

It is the best cutaway

[@Dovah_Slayer]

Yeah

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@stevenfair3992 "Death 2 America... And Butter sauce" 😂😂

[@jedimike7622]

Iraq Lobster pops into my head more often than I care to admit.

[@Gamegod-st1hz]

It's a great joke in general and one of the best family guy songs AND YOU CANT COVINCE ME OTHERWISE

[@smackzack6640]

I think one of the worst parts about this episode that's not mentioned is that this was aired after the other worst episode seahorse sheashell party where the lesson at the end was you should take the abuse from your family to keep it stable. The writing is so in contrast with these two episodes that it's bipolar.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Geez that is extra salt in the wound. Go from “Meg gives up her freedom of fighting for herself so her loser dad, mom and brother don’t tear each other apart” to “Brenda Quagmire isn’t a real woman if she stays in her abusive boyfriend relationship”

[@samflood5631]

It wasn’t abuse, it was more of Meg being a butt monkey to the family as a mean of keeping their dysfunction under control.

[@jelly_is_thicc4872]

You’re reading wayyyy too deep into it lmao it’s family guy it’s not deep

[@bombomtom5421]

Maturing is realising that episode is heat

[@darksideofevil13]

Supposedly that's why they did it. Because they go so much backlash from that episode.

[@rinyuki8278]

You know the saddest part is when Courage the Cowardly Dog portray domesticated abuse right even though it a children, still shows what this topic is while Family Guy portrays it very poor on topic and ans is an adult show!

[@blaheedsimmons2226]

the ep with the masked lady beating the hell out of courage?

[@mrtampa8]

​@@blaheedsimmons2226 yep

[@mercedeswalt6621]

Ooh, the episode with the cat and bunny women, right?

[@rinyuki8278]

@@mercedeswalt6621 yes that episode

[@THEmeepmopmoop]

This is mostly just speculation, but I think it probably has something to do with the writers of Courage needing to use much more restraint and deftness to portray those themes in a way that’s appropriate for a younger audience. Cartoon Network likely had a lot of restrictions for what they could and couldn’t show, so Courage’s writers had to get creative and convey information in a subtle and more considerate way. Family Guy obviously doesn’t have as much restriction when it comes to depicting mature themes, so maybe the writers kind of felt obligated to make it completely over-the-top just because they could.

[@goose3268]

If you watch the season 18 episode "Coma Guy" when Peter is in his coma dream being beckoned onto the boat by all the deceased family guy characters, you can see Brenda on the boat, implying she had passed away sometime after this episode.

[@IMNTV]

Seriously??

[@goose3268]

@@IMNTV yup

[@thegreenrose147]

Damn it, I hate being able to put 2+2 together 🥺 she deserved a better ending than that! Even if she didn’t keep Jeff’s baby, I was hoping we’d see her doing better after this episode 😭

[@Shadow_1086]

My theory is that, unfortunately, she died from giving birth

[@milapartment]

Iraq lobster came from THIS EPISODE????

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

And "You guys always act like you're better than me!" came from Seahorse Seashell Party

[@arturos.l.2248]

Yes and the whole episode is funny you should watch it instead of watching this guy rant/whine about it

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@arturos.l.2248 I did, it sucks for people who have standards for comedy.

[@koopaperson101]

I honestly think if they made either Peter or Joe's sister the focus, the episode would be a lot better. The biggest problem for me is that Quagmire is basically the hero of this episode which doesn't convey the message they were going for

[@joshuaconnall4237]

I honestly think that Cleveland would be the best option, because he was already in an abusive relationship with his ex-wife. But I suppose there is the issue that the only abusive relationships in family guy are black so you’re probably right

[@koopaperson101]

@@joshuaconnall4237 Cleveland would've been cool but at the time this aired, The Cleveland Show was going on, so it probably wouldn't have worked as well

[@marlowemichaelson1366]

Imagine if they had Karen Griffin be the victim of abuse. It would tie the entire family abuse dynamic together. Francis abused Peter and Karen, so Peter abuses Meg due to her resemblance to Karen, but then this episode, Karen also learns the damage she has done to Peter when she is put in the same position by her partner.

[@mkultra2456]

@@koopaperson101 So you're usually _not_ honest?

[@mkultra2456]

@@joshuaconnall4237 You guys gotta stop saying the word honestly for no reason.

[@mechajay3358]

Its this particular episode is proof that Family Guy should never do episodes with sensitive topics and expected to be taken seriously because they come off very tone-deaf about it. Especially since their particular type of writing is for Black Comedy Shock Value.

[@bigenemy000]

The only good serious episode they've successfully made is the one with brian and Stevie locked in the safe of a bank, talking about suicide. You know why it worked? Because they didn't do any gag

[@mechajay3358]

@@bigenemy000 Exactly.

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@mechajay3358 Imo theres nothing funny about this topic, I am a guy who has no issue with racey jokes. But as someone who witnessed this type of abuse firsthand in my own family it isnt funny, and it makes it seem like the writers take sexual assault and domestic abuse like a big joke. Its not, I witnessed my mother being dragged down the hall by her hair by her bf as a kid, something that has haunted me for years and makes me always try to put my best foot forward in relationships and parenting. For them to attempt to make light of these things is not only tone deaf but just a big fuck you to people like my mom and people like me. I wouldve been less offended if one of the writers wrote fuck you on his ass cheeks pulled down his pants and showed that on screen for 20 mins.

[@baoziday5178]

​@@Mclovinit8171 seeing how family guy has multiple scenes and cutaway gags where SA was the "joke" im not surprised this episode was in poor taste. The first time i watched it was on a reaction channel and it's safe to say the people reacting were just disgusted by the whole thing. Especially the intervention scene with Brenda

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@baoziday5178 Whats funny is I never really saw that much issue with the quagmire gags of SA, minus the simpsons murder. Usually those didnt bother me bc thats quagmires character, hes a creep who is a sexual deviant. Did I laugh at those jokes? No. But I didnt see an issue with it as much bc it would be a quick thing and theyd move on, and it made sense for his character. With this episode not only does this episodes main uncomfortable topic fill the runtime, but everyone and their roles are grossly miscast. You have quagmire, a man who throughout the whole show is selfish, a sex addict, and basically a human housecat. Everything they do with Quagmire is outright just wrong and goes against what his character is, Peter is just a heartless dick the whole entire episode, Joe the one guy youd probs want to use when planning to murder someone you know since hes a cop does practically nothing, Cleveland who in the earlier seasons had a great relationship with quagmire also is put on the backburner and does nothing. Instead of attempting to write an actual heartfelt story with substance they decided peter would be a focal point splicing a joke in every two minutes to make sure you know this is just a big joke to not take seriously

[@hxmzas]

the speech was not heartfelt, it was the most tasteless part of the episode, Quagmire said she was a shell of a woman because she's an abuse victim. Why are they not giving Jeff the intervention?

[@fauxclaws]

the speech was bad but giving the abuser an intervention is useless because they don't care and won't change. in real life the sensible thing to do would be to gather evidence and get the dude locked up in prison where he belongs

[@MTTT19]

I do have to agree with what Quagmire says when he tells his friends, “These kinds of guys don’t change! They just keep ruining peoples lives and world is better off without them!”

[@littlemoth4956]

That’s not something I think is worth agreeing with. These people should absolutely be given the consequences of their actions, but denying their ability to change is only certain to ensure they don’t change.

[@Garth2the2ndpower]

That quote has very little weight coming from a serial r***st like Quagmire.

[@crypt5129]

​@@littlemoth4956Based

[@ronin4307]

I agree. People like that never change. All they do is continue to ruin people's lives, and some people like that choose not to change.

[@killian9314]

it is very ironic he is one of them though, it’d be like the serial killer in I Saw the Devil going “killing is wrong”

[@Alecations]

This is one of the most impactful episodes of any media. This episode single handedly made people have a standard for serious subject matter because we saw how badly it can be messed up.

[@shadowsketches5443]

bait used to be believable

[@TheotherGuy-r2x]

@@shadowsketches5443wdym

[@hitkid2456]

Well, can't disagree with that.

[@thisismyname603]

Bro it's family guy

[@AndreiArhiri-g4z]

want some real meaningful pain ? Don't make him the hero that wins the day for him to keep being a monster to other women , make him lose , make the abuser win , make him deal with the realisation when his sister returns to that guy and he is not punished . Not this

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@AndreiArhiri-g4z If this was an ongoing story this idea is a solid pitch, but they have the chuck lorre curse of writing. Meaning every story must be wrapped up in 20 mins so they can move on to the next thing, even if it makes no sense, even if its a dumb or lazy ending. Those are the rules, these writers are incapable of long term writing or any form of continuity

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@Mclovinit8171 The only continuity of Family Guy I recall from the post cancellation return is Brian gains a new car, Cleveland divorced Loretta and Quagmire suddenly hates Brian in Season 7

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral right? Like its so weird, certain things they use for storylines they will stick with and others they just intentionally dont even consider. Like what the fuck is clevelands deal? Theyve given this mfer at least 5 different backstories, half of them hes known the guys since youth, the other half they become friends as adults. Like what the fuck.

[@stanpines9011]

It's family guy, why would it take itself that seriously? This is like going to mcdonalds and expecting a 5 star michelin meal

[@isitleeyourelookingfor6352]

I know OBVIOUSLY this type of abuse happens in real life, often, but something about the way it's written is kind of giving "abuse is only real if it's physical, and a lot of it." Idk, maybe it's also Meg's abuse being downplayed that adds to it, but it kinda comes off like they think it HAS to hit this level of violence in order for it to count as abuse. Kinda like Dhar Mann writing; all the villains are the most one-dimensional cartoon villains, with no nuance and nothing that might challenge viewers to reevaluate their own beliefs.

[@XSlimSxadyX]

So true. As a person who was in abusive relationships I thought this episode was pretty offensive.

[@BlackTheBerserker]

Meg's abuse on the show being downplayed is compounded by the fact that the episode where Meg comes to the conclusion she needs to stay an abuse victim to keep the family together, aired right before this. Not only is this episode bad, but it was aired at the worst time possible. Two episodes back to back with the exact opposite message, and I can't help but read into the subtext of that being that it's because Meg isn't conventionally attractive so her being dunked on is funny and Brenda is conventionally attractive so it isn't funny.

[@nerdymidwesterner3662]

Your analogy to Dhar Mann captures my exact feeling about most Family Guy episodes when they try to be serious.

[@AGZhark]

First of all, an episode is only about 22 minutes long. There’s not much time to put much content into it. Second, they’re only showing this kind of abuse because physical and verbal abuse is the easiest to put into a 22 minute episode.

[@hydroxide5507]

chungus tumblr redditor getting mad at family guy for not being woke enough

[@mattdragoneed6476]

"Heartfelt speech ?" He literally said that Brenda, a VICTIM of an abusive relationship in which her abuser would REALLY kill her in case she tried to leave him that she is not a woman because she CHOSE to stay in such a relationship... That is not a heartfelt speech that is Family Guy blaming the victim of an abusive relationship. The writers are trying to act like they care for abusive relationships and the victims or like they what the hell they are talking about. They don't.

[@JJM8043]

Are you seriously this stupid?

[@mechamanw668]

it was likely not Seth's idea. While he does defend his shows when they wind up in controversy, he's moreso defending his writing team. Seth himself hasn't been involved in writing for FG or AD for years now

[@SpidaMez]

crazy how bad the show got after seth left

[@Bluepainter68]

Yes, he wanted to end the show around season 7 but he couldn't for obvious reasons

[@SolarBrain4128]

Yeah, the last season of The Orville shows he can produce intelligent and meaningful content when he puts his mind and effort into it, so seeing stuff like this feels way too off.

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@mechamanw668 Im sure he looks over the scripts, I highly doubt stuff through his company is getting put out without his Okay. Meaning he at the very least proof read this and said "yep that looks fine to me"

[@hitkid2456]

@@Mclovinit8171 Guess he seriously had an off day then.

[@BlitzDemonGamer3032]

as an episode taken seriously as a drama it failed as an episode about domestic abuse it also failed

[@jmann6368]

what are you saying? I am badly confused

[@dreye3215]

I hate how Brenda is never given agency in this episode, the male characters are the ones who rescue her, without any input from her.

[@damianluther7191]

what would she do ? blow something?

[@lastcat617]

If not the male characters it would have been Louis or someone else, abuse victims almost never stand up for themselves

[@boxingelfis1499]

​​@@lastcat617 Almost never? Just because they at times receive help it doesn't mean that they don't stand up for themselves. You literally can not make a better life for yourself and move on from such a horrible situation without acknowledging that you deserve better, and that you have every right to be happy and not be treated like shit. Many abuse victims have done just that, and a lot have attempted to do so as well even if they unfortunately couldn't. I cannot fathom how much courage that takes. This comment of yours does exactly what this episode does, attempting to take away agency.

[@boxingelfis1499]

​@@damianluther7191 Wow. Nonsensical response to a serious topic. Congrats, you've said so much about yourself and your thinking in such a short amount of words.

[@sleepy_cinnabun]

@@boxingelfis1499yes but it takes forever to do. The commenter is not wrong that we have a hard time standing up for ourselves as well. I luckily finally had the courage to leave my abusive ex after five years. He had me wrapped around his thumb and what pushed me to finally leave is seeing that I was in an unhealthy situation after having a physcotic breakdown from all of the abuse. I now go to therapy but what I experienced will live on with me for forever so I do not judge other abuse survivors and what they go thru or choose. I hope one day they do have or find courage to stand up for themselves and finally feel safe and leave. But it’s not that easy yknow?

[@diegomedina9637]

Ohhh yeah the one where Clown Pr0n is an actual plot device.

[@kittysenpai1670]

So... Were gonna ignore the fact that... You know... His sister was in this relationship for a while and was shown to us in an earlier season? Because it was she was in that relationship for a while

[@BrandNewByxor]

Hold on, are you trying to tell me there's a Family Guy episode with a continuity error? There's no way...

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@kittysenpai1670 Its family guy, so all the writers assume you are stupid so anything in the past has no bearing to them. For example, they like to claim peter and quagmire grew up together. But thats impossible, multiple times they acknowledge peter is 42, quagmire is in his 60s. So that makes no sense, but bc they think were stupid they do it anyways bc they dont even think more then five seconds ahead.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@Mclovinit8171 Claiming Peter and Glen grew up together in their youth sounds phony. On the same level of camp coral claiming Sandy and SpongeBob met at a summer camp as children

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral EXACTLY

[@KaraiMorotĩ]

​@Mclovinit8171 they don't think people are stupid. The show always had loose continuity with the writers. The just the way episodic shows are.

[@Quackervoltz]

Honestly this episode is such tonal whiplash that it feels like a lost episode creepypasta

[@grumpysphinx4911]

All it needs is characters breaking the fourth wall to threaten the viewer and also suddenly graphically murdering each other with copious amounts of "hyper realistic" blood

[@1Hol1Tiger]

I don't know why everytime Family Guy tries to tackle a serious issue, it just shits itself harder than usual. I mean Seth McFarlene did the Orville so he can competently handle serious topics. Just not in this show.

[@Bluepainter68]

Seth hasn't been involved in Family guy except the voice acting part for a decade including when this episode came out.

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@1Hol1Tiger I feel its bc the motivation for them to put effort forth is gone, there is no real competition. When they were fighting for their life in the mid 2000s the shows were funny, witty and had good writing. Why? Bc they had something to fight for, they were trying to keep themselves from dying. Now? That fear doesnt exist, they know their untouchable and fox will write them a check forever just like the simpsons. So they dumb shit down, dont try as hard and build no real stories going anywhere bc they wanna milk this cash cow till it literally keels over and dies, then milk it some more.

[@NIGHTMARECRIPT]

I believe South Park does a better job at depicting unhealthy and abusive relationships by using Cartman and Heidi's relationship as a way to show how a manipulative and abusive relationship can look, and doing it in a way that doesn't feel tasteless or out of place, but feels all too real.

[@undeadprincess5726]

It can even use the abuse as dark humor, like dressing up as Hansel and gretle to get the witch to kidnap Heidi because she took too long getting ready. Even ended on a rare, satisfying note.

[@NIGHTMARECRIPT]

@@undeadprincess5726 Definitely! That Cartman and Heidi ark was so well done!

[@bicboyjoy]

I like how Quagmire's speech to his sister is just a straight played "it's your fault" for like a minute straight

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Need we forget we first saw Quagmire's sister in a throw away gag about Brian trying to make mends with Glen because he hates him

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@ImmaLittlePip I thought that was his neice

[@ChrisGarcia-om8si]

@@Mclovinit8171 Different cutaway, both happened.

[@chancebaylor4233]

Wasn’t she getting beat in that gag too?

[@isitleeyourelookingfor6352]

Also it's WILD how it ends with them taking out their revenge fantasy without considering how it will affect the victim and how they'll support her afterwards 😶

[@XSlimSxadyX]

Hopefully she was ok after that, even though it’s just Family Guy, I have sympathy for characters in abusive relationships.

[@isitleeyourelookingfor6352]

@@XSlimSxadyX Same 😭 She's not real, but I still feel so bad for her

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@isitleeyourelookingfor6352 Right? Like his sister just dissapears afterwards, some "support" they showed. Kill the one person regularly in her life and never mention her again just bc she had the audacity to come down and support her brother when he had a near death experience. Oh yeah and they wrote a letter just to take unnecessary shots at her for no reason other then to put a badly placed joke in. Instead of attempting to actually write a real ending, they decided taking lowbrow jokes and shoving them in the face of the innocent victim in this episode was the better route.

[@lastcat617]

Would you have rather if Jeff lived on and kept abusing her? You know she wont ever have the courage to step out the relationship. There was also no talking to Jeff

[@isitleeyourelookingfor6352]

@@lastcat617 Do you legitimately think this is the best solution? Do you REALLY think you could do this without getting caught? And are you prepared to pay all the therapy bills when the victim has to navigate through grieving someone they loved who mistreated them? Haven't you ever heard of someone suffering because they can't get any closure? The idea of kxlling abusers is appealing as a fantasy, but it's not an actual strategy to help abuse victims. If they're gonna do a serious episode, they should've taught the audience something helpful

[@bragsaint7824]

How to fix this story: don't use quagmire as the main character How to make it better: use Joe Best solution: don't do this story with THIS show

[@worshiperofthelegendarypig9429]

If they made this story, an just made it about Joe and his marriage that would've been great tbh

[@hotel_arcadia]

@@worshiperofthelegendarypig9429 Why? Their relationship isn't abusive.

[@bragsaint7824]

@@hotel_arcadia wouldn't even be about his marriage persay just the idea of the character in a powerless situation standing up for the people they love is better than the most misogynist mfer on the planet being the largest hypocrite on planet too

[@aliasfakename3159]

Glenn's sister gets abused and it's treated seriously but Meg gets abused by her parents on the daily & the show does nothing about it. The hurricane episode came close then reverted to status quo like that helps

[@Mememan420_69]

I will never understand why they tried to make Quagmire a more sympathic character in later seasons, like I kinda get them wanting to downplay is more sus traits in the post metoo movement world but god this is the worst way of addressing it

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

They also used Quagmire as a mouthpiece of all the previous up to that point criticisms of Brian in the Season 7 episode Jerome Is The New Black. Including pulling out of their anus that Glen volunteers at a soup kitchen 😂

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@Mememan420_69 I think they didnt wanna write him out but werent sure what to do with him. Imo if he cant be the original quagmire they should just kill him off

[@baalfgames5318]

Being serious doesn't work when you pop up with something random to shout "Ha Ha! This is POINTLESS!" - Mr. Enter.

[@mastermoye3915]

Funny you should say that, I'm currently watching his Animated Atrocities reviewing *THIS* particular episode on my Binge-watching spree. But all-in-all, this is the episode that got me to stop watching Family Guy for a good while. Seth, you seriously need to give this show the final curtains or else it'll suffer from franchise fatigue (aka Cash Cow Syndrome)!

[@SomeGaymerNerd]

the fact I read that in his voice 😭

[@hairlessgrizzly559]

I don't know anything about Mr Enter aside from that Turning Red 9/11 meme lol

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@mastermoye3915 Seth stopped writing years ago but he still voices his characters and possibly approves scripts

[@mastermoye3915]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral I meant if he was still in control of the show.

[@theunlawfulsponge5908]

This and that human trafficking episode I think from the same season are definitely the most tasteless

[@XSlimSxadyX]

And the one where Peter gets assaulted by his boss and they completely excuse her actions.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@XSlimSxadyX Peter having his boss hitting on him is insane and voiced by Carrie Fisher no less! Yeah Angela’s voice actress played by Princess Leia herself seducing Peter Griffin against his will.

[@XSlimSxadyX]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral omg I didn’t even know that was Carrie Fisher 😭 how did anyone agree to do that episode??

[@shakeymistakey3881]

@@XSlimSxadyXcuz money is money is probably what they thought

[@XSlimSxadyX]

@@shakeymistakey3881 yeah I think they’re also contractually obliged to do it so I don’t blame her at all, just sucks that her voice was used for something like that.

[@brandensandberg6668]

Couldn't Joe upon personally witnessing domestic abuse have called in his colleagues and orchestrate an arrest?

[@hoohoo431]

He easily could have, then it would be on Brenda to press charges or not

[@riverh6998]

​@@hoohoo431 and knowing how Jeff is, it's probably better Joe didn't. Jeff would've killed Brenda the second they got alone

[@Coyote_Bongwater69]

Family Guy was too comedic for years for this to be taken seriously

[@Mothbean]

Is this episode just Family Guy pulling a Loss?

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

The Simpsons had a more refined balance. Family Guy despite its classic quality can never pull this off

[@AhmedMalaki]

@@ThomasmemoryscentralI was gonna say that The writers of the Simpsons knows when to tell a serious story and be emotional Because they know what they are doing For family guy creators ? What the hell where they thinking?

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@AhmedMalaki Family Guy in its seasons 1, 2 and 3 days can have a few heartwarming moments from Peter telling Meg Lois liked to have her at Stewies birthday party and Brian falling in love with an old lady he did community service for as a result of driving under the influence but post season 4, they definitely dropped off hard and abandoned the little touching moments they had for the most part. In Season 1 of The Simpsons, Homer nearly killed himself from losing his job at the power plant, Bart learned to stand up for himself against his first encounter with bully Nelson and Lisa met a jazz musician called Bleeding Guns Murphy during a spout of depression and those balanced comedy too

[@noz7076]

There were many times when they try hard to feel "real" or "too deep" but its forgettable. But they had the nerve to criticize Bojack Horseman

[@vanitas456]

The fight between quagmire and Jeff has to be one of the most intense scenes of family guy it's something I'd expect from the walking dead or breaking bad not an adult comedy

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@vanitas456 Quagmire has plot armor tho and everyone knows that, so that really takes an intensity away.

[@averagejoe6352]

@@Mclovinit8171it’s family guy not dc comics dog relax

[@SomeGaymerNerd]

the fact this episode aired after seahorse seashell party made me dislike family guy- the show doesn't even try to hide the virtue signaling

[@meatmanmagoo]

"You can solve domestic violence with regular violence" is a weird lesson to end on

[@tommymcdonald8351]

It’s family guy there is no lesson 😂 why y’all taking this so serious

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@tommymcdonald8351 I don't know, why are there so many scenes in this episode that are presented with 0 hint of irony and beat you over the head with how they want you to take them seriously?

[@Chillipowww]

@@tommymcdonald8351yes there is.. why have an episode about dv if there’s no message.

[@hoohoo431]

That's honestly an amazing lesson that's been lost in today's society

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@hoohoo431 And for a good reason, get help

[@britanimations2002]

This episode isn't just tasteless, it's clear the writer has limited to no understanding on what abusive relationship are actually like. We're never shown any warmth from Jeff which might be why Brenda choses to stay with him, or signs that she needs him and evidence for why she feels she has to stay with him. He's just a dickish brute throughout because Family Guy doesn't have the capacity for nuance, and despite most abusers being subtle, well need I say more on Family Guy's version of "subtle". Worse still though during the intervention, Quagmire says his sister is a "cowardly punching bag and not a woman, who chooses to ruin her own life by staying with Jeff." THAT, THAT RIGHT THERE, IS FUCKING FOUL!!! The one thing you don't do to abusers is put that abuse on them and blame them for it, that's basically the equivalent of Quagmire abusing his sister to get her away from an abuser. It's despicable and makes it so apparently obvious that this episode with a story focusing around a women being abused by a man was not in fact written by a woman. I'm not saying men don't get abused or end up in abusive relationships, what I'm saying is that given the statistics, this is a subject more understood by women.

[@erinmccutcheon3751]

That's just victim-blaming.

[@zamn2315]

This might be the best comment

[@JayonJenkins]

Valid point tbh but I feel like the only reason she stays is bc they had such a fucked up upbringing which is how a lot of people end up in abusive situations all it takes is a little affection doesn’t matter who it comes from love is love when your not really used to it

[@damianluther7191]

​@@erinmccutcheon3751well let's be honest how hard is it to just lay there and take it ??

[@sleepy_cinnabun]

@@JayonJenkinsyup I was emotionally neglected by my parents. And I was an easy prey for my abuser

[@SpellboundWolf]

To say to a person they are no longer human because they're a victim of abuse is 1 of the most-evil things I have ever had the misfortune of hearing. If my sister had said this to me after my abusive boyfriend (who I was with when I discovered this episode) ran off, she would no longer be my sister.

[@CartoonTriper]

a classic "very special episode" with very awkward tonal whipslash

[@sirbig8292]

Thinking back to all their "lol sexworkers, dead prostitute, dead stripper" jokes, this doesn't really surprise me.

[@mikenayers5981]

I always equated this episode to those “very special episodes” from the 80s that were just complete tonal shifts in shows that were typically lighthearted. Like the Diff’rent Strokes bike shop and kidnapping episodes, or the Punky Brewster serial killer episode. And no, I didn’t make that last one up.

[@Soundwavesuperior13]

Great video man, good analytical critique.

[@ajflink]

I wonder if they are contractually required to insert jokes in every episode with a certain frequency.

[@timmy18135]

This is similar to an arc on "higurashi when they cry"

[@artsyheartsy361]

This is probably the funniest comment that could be under this video

[@daniboy4153]

Glad people still talk about that anime

[@Woogiyeon]

And I know exactly what arc you’re talking about 💀

[@danielasarmiento3101]

Yeah, but that arc was well written

[@chromesthesia]

American Dad did this better.

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@chromesthesia American dad does nearly everything better then Family guy. I think being a show somewhat grounded in reality helps them, they dont have to constantly make stupid jokes to set up cutaways that have no bearing on the story.

[@ajgameguy3674]

​@@Mclovinit8171 "Somewhat grounded in reality". I would describe American Dad as a lot of things, grounded in reality certainly isn't one of them.

[@Galamoth06]

Which episode? The one with where Roger was being abused by that kid?

[@chromesthesia]

​@@Galamoth06 yes.

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@ajgameguy3674 Compared to family guy with how they treat continuity it is. But I get what youre saying

[@ollieexists]

that “quagmire assaulting marge” clip made me physically sick and freeze in shock

[@mttokrnk]

It‘s a TV Show omfg people are so whiney

[@sujeto.normal]

​@@mttokrnk ok, user-dy2cl1ss8f. Ur opinion is very much acknowledged, please, stick a 30 inch bad dragon d1ldo up uranus 👍🏻

[@WhiskyOS]

@@mttokrnkstill gross and not even funny

[@patrickgowen324]

Yeah while in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter but doesn’t change the fact that something had to come up with that and think it’s a good idea.

[@Chillipowww]

@@mttokrnkit’s literally an SA scene, animated or not nobody watches them for fun - esp not for laughs

[@Mclovinit8171]

I just don't understand what their goal was, they attempt to tackle sexual assault, domestic violence and even r*pe, but continue to try and make humor out of these things in the darkest ways. Every decision and idea for the most part in this episode was just downright wrong and borderline disgusting. This is one epsidoe I immensly hate

[@FungusBug]

Finding out the Iraq Lobster bit was from the episode about domestic abuse was like whiplash

[@BlitzDemonGamer3032]

And still to this day it still is my least favorite episode of Family Guy and it messed up the moral of domestic abouse

[@thisismyname603]

Wahhh wahhh

[@erinmccutcheon3751]

Brenda deserved better.

[@elliotpoco7539]

No she does not.

[@sleepy_cinnabun]

@@elliotpoco7539why do u think that ?

[@joebird376]

saying a domestic/sexual/etc. abuse victim deserves it? mate you might be pure evil ​@@elliotpoco7539

[@punk_poet1373]

@@elliotpoco7539ok Jeff

[@ARSBARS967]

​@@elliotpoco7539??????

[@iceybundles]

Bro basically repeated “this episode has funny jokes but the episode is too serious for jokes so this episode is tasteless and stupid”.

[@alandarkcaster2902]

fr

[@tonytonychoppas]

Yeah made a 20 minute video that could’ve been 9 minutes

[@sdivine13]

​@@tonytonychoppascoulda just been a youtube comment tbh

[@GreatNegus]

Yeah, I checked out halfway because of this.

[@fossticles1618]

KZbin reviewers: "THE LITERALLY BIGGEST WORST LITERALLY TERRIBLE EPISODE OH.." I just watched to remember how this episode went.

[@fynnthefox9078]

Family Guy's Screams of Silence < Courage's The Mask and Batman's Mad Love

[@znerd3664]

Ok ngl the "what are you gonna name it? Slappy" joke actually landed for me It doesn't come across tone-deaf; it comes across more as Peter sarcastically pointing to her why this is a terrible idea. "Look at how he treats you, how do you think he's gonna treat the baby". It feels like something a naturally sarcastic person would actually say in that situation

[@Gfrog1000]

I watched this episode when it premiered and I remember being both dumbfounded and somewhat disturbed by it.

[@samflood5631]

A lot of people claim that Touka from Tokyo Ghoul and Kaori from Your Lie in April were abusive, mainly because they abuse both Kaneki and Kousei. They also make up excuses like, “Touka got herself pregnant to keep Kaneki from leaving her”, “Kaori forced Kousei to play the piano again”, “Kaori was driving a rift between Kousei and his friend” or “Touka is just as bad as Kaneki’s mother”. First of all, All of the “abusive” in those shows are very different from the Screams and Silence of Brenda Q, mainly because of slapstick, meaning that both shows are from very different cultures. 2. Kaneki and Kousei aren’t the only ones with a sad past. Touka was lost her parents to Ghoul hunters and her brother abandoned her just to join up with the wrong crowd. Kaori was terminally ill and doesn’t have a lot of time left. 3. Kaneki too had abandoned Touka and constantly kept on shutting her out. Kousei on the other hand always has a negative attitude which makes him a total buzz kill to his friends. I adore both Touka and Kaori and they are not manipulative and cruel like Jeff from Family Guy is.

[@jaydenweber9303]

I don't want to agure you because there are a lot of good points, but I just to give my takes.Anime slapstick is god-awful and shouldn't be justified. Thank you for your time

[@obieFM]

13:48 Going to have to strongly disagree with the statement about Quagmire's speech to his sister being "heartfelt". Quagmire twists the situation and selfishly turns himself into the victim by stating various ways that Brenda's situation "has affected himself personally". He then goes on to belittle Brenda and makes statements about her treating her as less than a woman due to the abusive relationship she's in. It's unfortunate that even in what is supposed to be the emotional climax of the story, Family Guy completely fumbles its message and comes across as even more tasteless.

[@Akira625]

I didn’t care for this episode, everything about it was just so wrong. I wholeheartedly agree that Family Guy is the wrong kind of show to deal with a such serious issue as domestic violence.

[@southbeachtalent]

Quagmire was also a horrible choice to be the voice of reason against Brian's hypocrisy. Even if it fits the (somewhat rushed) rivalry between the two, it doesn't fit narrative of Quagmire being the crazy/ rapist/ outrageous fun guy from every other episode and now all of a sudden he's a voice of reason? Horrible logic for hardcore fans of the show. Makes no sense for the character we've been watching for years

[@seaweeb2258]

I loved it when he ripped into Brian. They both aren't good characters, but Quagmire did say that at least he's more honest about being a POS. Brian likes to hide it, and that is why I didn't like him, especially in later seasons. He comes off as condescending and a smug superior. Brian is basically a jobless freeloader who hits on his best friends wife, and eats their food. Despite the horrible things both of them have done, I'd rather side with Quagmire because he can be serious without being a jerk. He is still a ray pest, but Brian isn't far from that while also being condescending. Quagmire wasn't the best pick for this story/situation. His sister is only in that 1 episode to my knowledge while his dad has made many more appearances. This makes it worse, and Quagmire doesn't change much after this if at all. His dad didn't even make any statement or question with or about his sister. Nothing. If it was Cleveland (i know he wasn't around at this time) it could have worked a lot better. I think the major difference between Jeff and Quagmire was the physical abuse, minus the rake. Has Quagmire given his victims a shiner? I don't recall. I do recall him being with flings, and not ever committing to a relationship like Jeff was with his sister. But then again, they didn't even try to rationalize why either of them were still staying together.

[@runyourpocketz]

this has probably been said before but compared to this, Brian and Stewie is by far the most serious episode of Family Guy.

[@alenmack3471]

And an actual good one.

[@NintendoTransformer]

The premise of a group of friends coming up with wacky plan to kill someone’s abusive boyfriend actually seems like something that could work if done correctly. But it certainly didn’t work here.

[@bendeguzkocsis]

This episode is almost at the cusp of saying something, anything, about anyone involved in it, then they fucking do THE IRAQ LOBSTER BIT. THAT IS FUCKING PSYCHOTIC

[@AMT_AllMyThoughts]

I think they tried to tell this story in "the world of Family Guy". Thats why they kept the charactors, structure and tone as it always was but put their charactors into a really serious situation. Still trying to satisfy their audience with the typical family guy stuff, but also trying to say something. They did that with multiple themes by now.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

And none of them work

[@AntisocialclubSJ]

Chekhov’s Autoerotic asphyxiation is crazy…

[@lsixty30]

I think you just answered your own question "Why would they use Quagmire for an episode about...domestic abuse?" maybe to try and future proof the character from being canceled. Whatever it is, it's not to be funny.

[@lsixty30]

based solely on this episode brenda and whatshisname deserve each other. Say they killed him and she goes out and dates the same sorta guy, then what? There is no moral to this story.

[@lsixty30]

i defended you to other rude commentors but you do repeat yourself quite a bit

[@sharkenjoyer]

......Are you sure or are you trying to just sound smart? The thing is quagmire is an actual rapist and no one in the entire episode calls quagmire out for the fact that he is quite literally a mirror reflection of jeff nor he really reflects on that himself. This is like if you had hitler make an outrage out of stalin's actions while never talking about his crimes and posing him as the hero of the story.

[@lsixty30]

@@sharkenjoyer That's why I don't think using him in this role was to be funny. It's so obvious that Quagmire has no ground to stand on. That's why I think they made this to attempt to make Quagmire less predatory, key word "attempt".

[@bonebag1961]

​​@@lsixty30I get that but, surely any intelligent writer could see that using a sex-crazed maniac as the empathetic character in this scenario would turn out poorly

[@DLFLux]

For context on why itvwas Quagmire and his sister, the show had already established that he had a sister and she was in an abusive relationship in an earlier episode, the one where Brian finds out Quagmire hates him.

[@mikeywazowski7577]

Bro cartoon channels talk about family guy like some ex that says "I'm NOT obsessed with him," but constantly talks about him

[@TheMainManQ]

I feel like this episode could have worked if the character used was someone like Joe or Cleveland, but holy shit using quagmire was the worst fucking option.

[@IAEMThatIAEM]

you dont know anything about family guy if you think Seth McFarlane was still showrunning family guy at this point in that series. This episode is from during his peak of outside projects.

[@wissrogerpainter3551]

Still, doesnt help the fact that McFarlane is so tasteless

[@IAEMThatIAEM]

@wissrogerpainter3551 that is true, i guess.

[@entertainmentpowerfuchs5744]

If Family Guy tries to be serious it allways failed. The messages are mostly bad and the characters are mostly unlikily.

[@neolbioldey]

...not always.

[@imnotsorry9538]

​@@neolbioldey (Flashbacks to Stewie and Brian in a vault)

[@neolbioldey]

@@imnotsorry9538 (Flashbacks to Brian eating Stewie's defecated matter)

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@imnotsorry9538 Episode sucks, you proved their point

[@DaLavinciCode]

F is for family did this shit so much better while actually having a main character who’s entire personality is just abusing his whole family. It makes no sense how they couldn’t have any tact here.

[@vitalepitts]

This is probably the better quality of the reviews of this episode I've seen.

[@therdrfanboi1899]

I love the donkey kong country music you put in the last 10 minutes of the video

[@davidrodriguez8154]

bro this video coulda been like half the runtime with how much you repeat stuff

[@slickchace5590]

12:14 Unpopular among the sea of people who agree with the video i personal think this video was pretty good and without the jokes it wouldn't be a family guy episode. People would say without jokes it isn't family at all, yes i do agree the flip flopping might not give the gravity of what's happening it does somehow keep us on our toes while watching entertaining and yet wanting to know what happens next. P.s Iraq lobster was Goated

[@TheShockVox]

Quagmire’s “heartfelt speech” is pretty shitty. If I even remember right, he even says things like how her constantly being stuck in her abuse means she’s not a real woman. I’ll have to rewatch it

[@jart2927]

him calling her a punching bag and practically dehumanising her always pissed me off and i wonder why he didnt mention it

[@erinmccutcheon3751]

Yeah, you're supposed to help you're sister not victim-blame her.

[@streetgamer3452]

Ye the “heartfelt” speech fits quagmire in the fact that he sees women as pieces of meat to touch over humans so of course his speech is hollow as hell

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@TheShockVox I find it funny they make this guy a sexual predator for the better part of a decade, then randomly for the sake of a shitty story all the sudden he is this nice guy who allows people to stay over and a moral compass of feminism. Need we forget his whole house is boobie trapped and he hates visitors? remember when peter stays over and he kicks his ass out? Hes anti social and hates people staying the night when it comes to his home, so this is completely out of character for him in every way. What quagmire or charlie sheen the guy he's inspired by would really do is put them in a hotel.

[@jadeshepherd8627]

Thank you!, I'm glad someone's bringing this up. Surprised the creator didn't mention this

[@smackedpickle]

Peter laughing along with Jeff comes across as one of those of uncomfortable passive agreement, imo anyway

[@Sleepdriver1984]

Wasn't the hurricane episode the most serious or unsettling one?

[@baalfgames5318]

You mean Seahorse Seashell Party? The episode that aired right before Screams Of Silence? The one that actually said Meg should stay in an abusive relationship for her abusers benefit just because her abusers are a dysfunctional family?

[@Sleepdriver1984]

@@baalfgames5318 yeah, that one! Disturbing, yet it works in its dark tones

[@Mclovinit8171]

@@Sleepdriver1984 the hurricane episode was just the shittiest in the shows history, nothing is really funny. The only bright spot of the episode is meg calling everyone out on their bullshit, only to forgive them 2 mins later for no reason other then the episode needed to end. Oh yeah and as someone who takes psychadelic drugs tripping on shrooms has never been like that shit they did with brian, wasnt funny nor realistic nor effective at what it tried to do.

[@trailsux]

good thumbnail + mic keep at these videos and youll make it brother

[@adurrezzak]

No. The entire episode is one long joke. The joke being Brenda bawling her eyes out over the news of her abusive partner "leaving her" instead of like, being relieved or happy?

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

This is easily the worst episode of Family Guy to ever be made and released, and I mean every word I say. As someone who was trapped in an abusive environment in my high school years, this episode offended and infuriated me to no end! And still does to this day.

[@wyamccor]

We have to agree that Family Guy does horrible PSA episodes.

[@LucasDanielCab5]

Ok you’re completely right about everything here but istg you repeated the same point so many times it was getting annoying like no duh it’s tasteless

[@sk3tchinatortv733]

I hate when family guy tries to be serious. It’s not that show, the forced drama falls flat and I hate how at the end of every episode when the characters learn their lesson (that will be forgotten in the next episode) they do that dumb lowering eyelid animation for the heartfelt moments

[@zachgaines8349]

1:28 to make you ask the question and keep the show relevant in one way or another.

[@Holyduck777]

I feel the same about the episode where Joe's son abandons the military. Family guy is that one friend that cannot take themself seriously no matter how serious they're trying to be, like the writers are too insecure to write anything serious.

[@reallifeshinji09]

I get what youre saying but the "good joke poor context" just gets annoying

[@slashbash1347]

My God, they're not even trying to be realistic with Jeff. He's wearing a wife beater, and unlike most abusers (who usually keep it behind closed doors), he abuses Brenda openly. It's even better because Peter, Quagmire, and even Lois are FAR more abusive than Jeff.

[@Sly88Frye]

Good job actually making this review. This episode has been reviewed by so many people that it's kind of hard to really stand out. Glad this showed up in my recommendations.

[@CallieYanChanEdits]

Seth MacFarlane shows just constantly put out awful episodes about abuse. Family Guy and American Dad both have an episode where the most mistreated character (Meg and Klaus) stop the abuse they receive and because of this the family falls apart, both end with Meg and Klaus accepting their fate to keep the rest of the family happy.

[@piggpigg5007]

Really good video can’t wait to see more!

[@thicccheese4007]

Quagmire may be a rapist but he’s not a monster… In the words of TF2 Sniper: Professionals have standards. This is a joke don’t yell at me :(

[@emeraldpichu1]

Jeff only had one victim while Quagmire has thousands. He also does use kidnapping, drugs, Gaslighting, extortion, blackmail, human trafficking, physical force, and more to pleasure himself using his victim but sure he doesn’t beat people habitually that’s totally a better more upright person totallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yep totally this is not sarcastic in the slightest.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@emeraldpichu1 He also has every STD known to man

[@Mftrout101]

Iraq lobster is one of my favorite family guy bits but goddamn the episode it’s in

[@MLGKERMIT]

We blame this on family guy writers not Seth Seth is god Seth is life

[@thebasicviewer9690]

Joe should’ve been the brother instead of quagmire with it adding the level that he is a police officer but is unable to protect his sister

[@j.afro775]

2:00 The issue is clearly that this is a joke to Seth McFartjoke. He clearly had this mocked up as a joke, a humorous look at women being abused, based in the common humor of women being abused. This very stable and not at all immature tool has a long history of making Bryan Griffin level choices. Please don't overlook this possibly being funny in principle alone for them

[@moor236]

McFarlane didn’t write this episode

[@jadeshepherd8627]

Youve got very good points, i just want to out my opinion here. I really dont like how in the intervention scene, quagmire calls her not a woman and demeans her bc she is a victim in this relationship. Felt quite victim blamey, and for all your other good points, im surprised you didnt bring thid up

[@thisisawsome34253212]

One of the worst things about this episode is Ralph Garman's performance as Jeff. It's as if he had no prior experience in dramatic acting and can't emote properly.

[@Just-A-Bit]

I think they chose Quagmire because in an earlier season it was mentioned and showed that his sister has an abusive boyfriend. I think it was the episode where Brian tries to get Quagmire to like him.