The Murderous Love Triangle that claimed two lives...

[@rachels3049]

Don't let a person tell you more than once that they do not love you or want you. Just having sex with someone is not a meaningful relationship.

[@unicornglitterfart5201]

I don’t understand why people absolutely refuse to believe it when someone shows them who they really are. This guy was a d-bag of the highest caliber, and he willingly made this known from day one, so why the hell was she so determined to chase after this walking waste of protoplasm?

[@rachels3049]

@@unicornglitterfart5201 I'm still trying to figure that part out myself. There is not that much misery or drama I want to be a part of that may cause my death.

[@rayven1178]

@@unicornglitterfart5201 100% agree. Yes he's a thirsty desperate fk but I'm also holding her accountable. Not only is he shitty but he's also taken. I personally cannot stand people that pursue people with spouses. You can admire and desire them but don't act on it like she did. Willingly being ok with a side chick booty call while using her pregnancy as a way to manipulate him to replace his other girl with her is just absolute evil.

[@Girlgonewise]

I agree with you 💯. It’s sad what happened to her and the baby but she needs to be held accountable as well.

[@magorzatasobierska4210]

Are you victim shaming

[@listey]

If I've only learned one thing on the internet. Love triangles are never going to end well.

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

I just love the fact that it's most likely *not* a love triangle, as an actual love triangle needs to involve a queer person, its just a love arrow 🤣

[@bababababababa6124]

It’s so simple, just don’t cheat And if you are going to then hide it better 😂

[@sterlingarcher857]

nope...youve overthought that. it just means three people.

[@TheJcris87]

​@@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic not everything needs to involve a queer person 🙄

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

@@TheJcris87 You do realise to make a love triangle, each person has to love someone different? Ones a man who likes a woman, another's a woman who likes another man, and the 3rd man needs to like the 1st man otherwise it's *a literal arrow not a triangle* all corners need to be connected. Did you not attend any of your math classes? I'm guessing most definitely not bc you'd know what a triangle looks like. I've never seen anyone post a comment and look dumber than a 3yo, bc fun fact, pigs who get given those toddler shape toys know what shapes are, and they have the iq of a 3 yo. 🤣🤣

[@dineomokgosi411]

As a man, if you do not want kids, USE PROTECTION dammit! It is not the woman’s responsibility alone to use contraceptives and prevent pregnancy.

[@rhondafilarecki4786]

You are 💯% correct! It takes two people to make a baby. Therefore, 2 people need to take responsibility.

[@Pennydeadful]

Him smiling at his sentencing told me everything I need to know about him…. Sickening

[@johnbright4619]

Hello how are you doing today?

[@brandexample1776]

@@johnbright4619 I'm doing good, how are you?

[@DrellOnTheTrack]

@@johnbright4619hey pops,me & my family are going thru some hard times you mind helping us out cashapp $drellonthetrack

[@abadirzulu5249]

I agree 👍 we're living in L D

[@aqua-mina]

So sad, I wonder how her sister is doing, she took her parents’ death so hard, imagine how it must have been after her sister’s death 😢

[@VioletJoy]

I was wondering the same. The family has endured so much loss.

[@astoldbynickgerr]

Wondering the same thing

[@lisasmith767]

Hope she is ok but I fear she is not. Maybe she found a good man? Hope so!

[@behramadivar1164]

She's doing much better

[@corenevanrooyen7312]

As a woman from South Africa, we thank you so much for telling her story.

[@jeanbastien9424]

NEVER trust anyone who cheats. You can’t tell what lengths an already deceptive person will go to to get away with their lies.

[@temwalisablair5487]

You can say that again. My ex was cheating to the extend of telling his lovers that his wife passed away. With such a lie. How far can a person go

[@blinkypushbuttons]

Never stand behind a flatulent pig who watches porn either. You never know what’s going to come out of there so you best stand somewhere else.

[@rejaneflorinda6162]

People cheat all the time, it is part of life. But, most people do not kill their partners who are pregnant - for the second time, mind you - just because they don't want to perform an abortion. This is the act of a vain and empty man, one that doesn't care about the women in his life, he only cares about himself. Let's see how he fares in prison. I hope he goes through hell.

[@blinkypushbuttons]

Just keep being shocked by it and pretending it’s weird to be single.

[@jimmyelkordy3752]

This isn’t even cheating this is a whole open relationship which is trouble

[@nicholasrocher2742]

I love how you cover a lot of South African cases. As a South African myself I find it refreshing since a lot of other true crime channels don't. I'd recommend for future videos the Reeva Steenkamp case, the Radovan Krejher case and the Thabo Bester case.

[@kitsontuli2713]

Thabo Bester case will need it's own series cause that case is complex and very wild😬

[@santana3408]

Praying he covers the Reeva Steenkamp case in particular

[@herbderb4929]

You're still white

[@ncubesays]

I'm still trying to get my head around the Bester case. I learn something new about it everyday.

[@tebogomashilo9944]

Also Aka (Mr forbs) case

[@MrTaxiRob]

I hope a lot of young SA women learn from this case. Everyone deserves to be loved on their own terms, not as a side piece for some douchebag.

[@PaperMakersAdeludedbroad]

Stop trying to label all men that like a little extra as murderers. You're grouping is all in with this story and that's not near correct. Also, some broads like to be side pieces. So that would be "their own terms" I love me a side piece!!

[@Colechamdiceman]

What are you talking about? She was actively fkn a married person. She WAS a douchebag and BOTH of them should have gotten the same fate

[@Dionysos-]

Hypergamy is real😂

[@nicoleharrington9086]

Im a South African woman, this scared me into staying single.

[@MrTaxiRob]

@@nicoleharrington9086 you don't have to be lonely, just be sure and do your homework on whoever you date and make sure he treats you with the respect you deserve.

[@amandahunter3325]

I think she wanted his baby because she thought it would win him over. He wanted to abort the first child so she agreed thinking it would keep him with her and then the second baby she kept for the same reason. In the messages her response is so telling, she was doing anything she could to keep him in her life. Not a reason to have a baby! He couldn’t handle her any longer and killed her. So sad.

[@aaronjackson1493]

Crazy, isn't it? But you wrong on the "handle" thing, especially that's a lot of women's favorite word these days. Nobody should "handle" a HUMAN BEING. An adult. Not luggage an airport. Not an animal. Not paperwork in office. But yeah, I hear ya. Regardless, this young lady didn't deserve to die . RIP 🙏🙏

[@alison797]

@@aaronjackson1493there’s more than one definition of “handle” - this one used in the sense that the man couldn’t handle himself, his own emotions, etc any longer.

[@q.maurice]

Yep, definitely trying to trap him and/or secure long term financial support

[@linda-louiseanthony9802]

I love the way you've taken the time to pronounce those victims names correctly Adrian. It's so important, and you always do it 💕🇦🇺

[@funkdunk]

Why would it matter to you?

[@debbyhutchinson6984]

Yes thank you for this

[@xcobyxzei]

@@funkdunkwhat’s your name?

[@L-Bee..]

​@funk dunk it matters to the victims, its respectful (: Linda is thanking him for that

[@funkdunk]

@@L-Bee.. why would it matter to her ...

[@antoniob.7440]

I am by no means blaming her for what ultimately happened but I hate that we have normalized having children in such flippant relationships those children deserve better!!

[@samjohns3227]

Agree, we need to think what the child's needs will be and choosing a cheating scum bag as a father was not a good choice to make, especially when it was clear he didn't want to be with her permanently. Very sad.

[@cdes1776]

You hit the nail on the head.

[@joellemichaela]

well said

[@heynowheynow-tk6tk]

Agreed

[@kegsofvomitspit]

Tell me more about your pregnancy.

[@meraaiki6129]

I'm from South Africa. We do all the actions you suggested. But unfortunately, due to overcrowding in prisons, ineffective judicial processes, & corruption, murderers seldom sit their full sentence. Also, 20 years is considered a life sentence in Sout Africa. It is a sad tragic situation.

[@nabelb1208]

I would just like to understand why she was still messing with that creep AFTER she had an abortion and knew he wasn’t going to leave his main lady for her. Senseless tragedy😢

[@lesliederby9236]

Same 🤔🤨

[@Josie2013]

It certainly wasn't because he was so good looking.

[@Jorendo]

@@Josie2013 They knew each other for a long time, that could have been the reason why, liking him for his personality as they went way back? And he was rich no? That might been in play too. Sadly staying with the guy got her killed and no one deserves that nor should anyone ever expecting that to be the outcome. The guy is filth and should rot away in a shitty jail.

[@nabelb1208]

@@Jorendo no victim shaming on this end. He needs to rot away for sure...

[@MsKassandraKotaku]

We have no idea what is going on in the background there. There could have been abuse, there could have been self esteem issues, his lifestyle/money or a billion other things. But anything we say is pure speculation and doesn't really make a difference. I mean, why was the other woman staying with a guy that cheated on her a million times? This guy must have had some way to get these women to be involved with him and keep them there. At the end of the day, he wasn't a man and couldn't take responsibility for his actions, so he chose to be less than a human being as well and murder his GF. He's gross AF and that other woman is probably counting her lucky stars.

[@tshifhiwadaniel5192]

I’m South African and this case truly broke my heart considering how femicide and GBV have become a norm here in SA💔 I fear for our women and children. Keep doing the Lord’s work Adrian🙏🏾 massive fan. Also hope you’ll be covering the Thabo Bester case soon 🔜👀

[@Twilight24682]

Why just woman and children men are victims of domestic violence and GBH and men are killed everyday too stop making it a one gender issue

[@MrDavebeemer]

Agree!

[@Leotheleprachaun]

"Femicide" 😂😂 just call it murder. Legit doesn't even get auto-filled and it gets underlined in red. Shit's not a word.

[@SkillSpencer]

i don't think he gives a shit about the Lord

[@sssinfullyyours]

Black men being black men

[@Chaya4lyf]

Ladies, ladies, ladies...if he has verbalized and shown you that he doesn't want the child don't push and beg him. Go your way. Don't be tricked into one day believing he has suddenly changed his mind. He can do so from a distance.

[@q.maurice]

I see what you tried to do there, but she wasn't tricked. She clearly was trying to trap him and secure financial support long term.

[@anonimoose3018]

@@q.maurice No. Men who don't want children shouldn't be going in without contraception - this pregnancy is entirely on him. Female contraception can fail, she could be lying, she could be trying to trap him, therefore it's up to him to make sure there is no further consequence and to take responsibility of where he puts his stuff.

[@CeceBrown-rt8kc]

Never understand why people don’t or won’t use protection, especially in situations like this . I get fooling around but fooling around n making babies that can be avoided is just crazy . I’m sure the girl thought she could win him over eventually but rarely does it ever end well .

[@lunayoshi]

I don't know enough about South African culture to know if they knew how to use birth control, or if they knew how to use it properly. In certain areas of the United States, sex ed is severely lacking and pushes the "abstinence-only" culture. People will probably have sex anyway. Maybe it's similar in South Africa. I'm not sure. If anyone from South Africa could shed some light on their sex ed situation, I'd appreciate it.

[@linahmaphosa971]

@lunabuna South Africa has free birth control at all public clinics, from pills to the IUD. Our "middle schools" don't teach abstinence only or anything like that. It's not ignorance its a choice. Even abortions are absolutely free.

[@lunayoshi]

@@linahmaphosa971 Thanks for your input! I wasn't sure.

[@abellabarbie]

Agreed

[@tertersha8796]

Especially with the virus at such a high rate in SA, young people need to make better choices.

[@ImHereAlso]

This was an incredibly sad case. The happiness of expecting a baby , then the mental picture of her hanging pregnant in a tree is such a disturbing thing to even imagine. RIP Mama and Baby, you deserved better❤

[@gunsmokegaloreyt6840]

Thanks for spoiling the video

[@ewrgaming]

Two children died.

[@shaylanacub2978]

@@gunsmokegaloreyt6840 Maybe don’t read the comments first 🤗

[@UnapolegeticallyAProblem]

Why would you read the comments if you don’t want to read peoples comments about the case? What information were you expecting to obtain from the comments when you read them before watching the video? Annoying asf!

[@theatorrisi9695]

​@GunsmokeGaloreYT Spoilers? This is a real story about real people who died, don't treat it like the latest fictional mystery novel

[@bulelwa8181]

My cousin was in jail with Shoba and apparently he's living a very soft life. Very friendly with the guards, has Nandos for dinner on several occasions etc. True justice will be served beyond earth.

[@wilheminanehumba]

He might have the Soft life in prison but he is not free 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@callmemrsdlamini]

Yoh… 💔

[@username-jb6zy]

​@@marthamoretlo5159same. Prisoners here do tiktoks to show what prison life is like

[@wordplay6665]

He said he was well off

[@mercedes-benzbentleyranger1070]

How does he know they don't spit in the Nandos food

[@47shawty12]

A tragedy though it takes two to tango. Repeating the preventable twice whilst also being aware of being in a love triangle? Doesn’t make sense. I’m in no way saying I’m on the criminal’s side, though the victim was obviously aware of what she was doing.

[@funkdunk]

The victim tried to trick him into leaving the woman that he loved for her. It happens all the time. Men need to be so careful of these women. Today she is dead for the bad choices that she made and today he is in jail, where he belongs, for the bad choices that he made. No one wins

[@nhmooytis7058]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[@smusser8854]

Really? She forced him to have sex with her? He is a shit. Period. He used both of these women.

[@ayemad]

@@funkdunkfound the incel

[@funkdunk]

@@ayemad you?

[@nycgirltee]

I will never understand why people don't just walk away! Give up your parental rights and be the deadbeat that you are but I guess when you're evil murder is the only option 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@voodoochile4147]

Right?! I think we have to consider the cultural element of gender based violence and the rivalry between the two women as well. This was a train wreck in the making. The victim is not to blame in any way, but the danger had to be at least somewhat present in her awareness. I think she trusted a monster like so many young women do. (🙋🏾‍♀️ I’m guilty present and accounted for so that’s not a judgement because I completely understand why she behaved the way she did) I think she believed that he wasn’t capable of such callous behavior, but the thing that I have learned from lived experience is that if you want to be left alone, you also have to leave the other person alone. I don’t believe she would have allowed him to be the deadbeat he wanted to be in peace. We want justice for our children, that’s reasonable, but we have to accept the ugliness of people when we see it and that’s especially difficult when you’re about to give birth to the ugly person’s offspring. Not making an excuse for what he did, he and others like him deserve to be punished and isolated from the rest of the world for what they’ve done, but I think if he thought she would be a quiet sufferer, he would have left her and the baby to fend for themselves, but knowing that she had no intention of allowing him to live down his behavior and responsibilities, he took the violent way out (which in context is not surprising). So unfortunate and disgusting that people are capable of such psychopathic behavior. It’s a hideous reality that women must take into account when in relationship. 😢RIP to Tshegofatso and her precious unborn baby and I pray justice and wisdom for everyone affected. 🫶🏾

[@kingkunte5479]

Unfortunately we live in a violent country where monsters posing as men believe they have the right to women's lives

[@astoldbynickgerr]

@@voodoochile4147 everything you said is so true

[@shakirahstewart2593]

We hold on to love. It takes awhile to understand REAL LOVE . Most women think love is a man giving you attention smh

[@nicholasrocher2742]

As Voodoochile mentioned you do have to take into consideration the cultural element of GBV and abusers. In many ways the perpetrators of these crimes gain some sense of power, control and satisfaction from the way they treat their victims. I doubt he would have ever walked away. By either him walking away or her walking away he would lose that control and power over her which may have led to the possibility of him escalating due to the anger and frustration that he would have of losing that power and control over her. Yes there might have been a possibility in that scenario as well where he would have left her alone but unfortunately I think that was very unlikely. This was, as Voodoochile said, a train wreck waiting to happen, or as I would put it, a powder keg ready to explode.

[@claudiajeanpierre3098]

So sad and sickening. When a dude says he doesn’t want the kid, take this criminal ‘s words seriously

[@kuhlebooi7731]

One of the First to comment and I am from South Africa! This case was heartbreaking especially because we were still shocked from the Uyinene and Karabo case. Thank you for covering it. By the way, GBV is still a nightmare, no action from the government. Tshego's uncle was one of the defense lawyers in the Karabo Mokoena case, after what happened to his niece, people dragged him on social media and said it was Karma, which was just heartbreaking.

[@ladynikkie]

I don't understand why on earth would the victim's uncle be a defense lawyer for that monster I'm guessing he had to be a public defender or something. If that were me, I would have withdrawn as a defense lawyer immediately

[@katroamleft4721]

Sending love and strength!! It is not ok and believe me, that other parts of the world are standing with you.

[@kuhlebooi7731]

​​@@ladynikkie well I understand what you're saying, as a lawyer myself I am sure there are cases I wouldn't wanna take. However, if you are practising as an Advocate for instance you cannot turn away a brief with no valid reason. I am not sure though if her uncle was and Advocate or a Practising Attorney as different rules apply.

[@kuhlebooi7731]

@@katroamleft4721 Thank you❤️

[@daleenbarnard2225]

I am also from South Africa and followed this case in the news. So sad. RiP Tshegofatso 🇿🇦

[@GCKMimi]

Props for the pronunciation, Adrian. This case is so sad. He could have walked away and just been scum rather than a monster. Rest in peace, sweetheart.

[@feelthejoy]

Except for the MAC store! Lol 😉

[@clairelashaun4886]

This is an extremely sad case. 😔 Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Also, thank you for taking the time to respectfully pronounce the names of the victims correctly.

[@smartanajones4u]

Yeah he did such an outstanding job on the names that strangely, I rewinded that part 3x just to hear how classy he enunciated their names.

[@letoriabennett2019]

Yes I love that he respects that. Adrian always says their names so Beautifully❤

[@leiajiang7877]

he calls Mac, m-a-c, and butchers american English and Chinese.

[@zenobiadecrespin7561]

"this man whore" 😂😂😂😂😂 I love your subtle dry humor it's delightful 🤜💥🤛

[@ampelidiousMind]

The fact that you throw your whole heart into saying these victims' names and talking about their lives ❤ makes me cry every time

[@jussjess2829]

What a horrible crime. My God. The fact that he hoisted her body up on the tree, might’ve aided in her body being found. Simply heartbreaking. Rip in peace to that young life lost. 😢

[@yadede9510]

😢😢 Jesus my Lord nd my God😢😢

[@BeverlyLedbetter-c4b]

No way that that driver is in his twenties: he looks forty; the murderer looks old too!😧

[@Mori-Chan613]

The abortion incident is more than enough red flag to stay away from a man who is irresponsible and no regards for human life. Rest in peace.

[@VioletJoy]

👍 Unless the root of the issue is addressed, nothing will change - low self-worth.

[@GregDeman]

This also applies to her, she's the one who had the abortion.

[@ferox965]

​@@GregDeman Go sit down.

[@samjohns3227]

@@VioletJoy Millions of people have low self worth and don't go on to harm anyone, that's just an excuse. It's also part of most people's personality as life throws many challenges our way. There isn't a magic wand (including therapy) to wave that will prevent all low self worth.

[@VioletJoy]

@sam johns I'll clarify some things. Not only did I not claim that therapy will prevent all issues of low self-worth, but I also don't believe that to be the case. It can, however, help people in many ways and, in turn, lower the numbers of these violent crimes. That's going to the root of the problem. To point out that most who have low self-worth don't go onto murder is misunderstanding the point. Humans are complex creatures, so all don't react the exact same way to similar circumstances. It's a known fact that not all children who experienced abuse growing up will go on to abuse their own children. But, nearly every parent who abuses their child was abused themself.

[@farzanabland6701]

Why would you want to stay in a relationship when you know they are seeing other people? People are either desperate or have no self respect.

[@kaoshi_kutie]

🎯🎯

[@thenuetrix6574]

I agree. What that man did was truly horrible but she also contributed to her own demise by choosing to be in such toxic situations

[@sabrinastratton1991]

​@The Nuetrix and he could've chosen to be a deadbeat and walk away but he chose to kill her.

[@zaraJoestar]

I legit had to repeat that part of the video cuz it made no sense to me at first. Why would any girl wanna be with a guy who considers her a mere sex toy all while she knows that he has a partner he is serious about, lives together with and plans for a future together with??? I can't help it but think that the 2nd pregnancy was on purpose especially that she waited months before telling him

[@funkdunk]

She tried to trick him into leaving the woman that he loved.

[@conqueror571]

I can’t fathom she actually had the nerve to say “I didn’t ask to get pregnant twice” she literally begged for it. Not getting pregnant is easier than going to a store getting a pizza to put in the oven going home then cooking it. I’m sure she assumed she could trap him with a baby or a baby. I feel bad for babies killers. Both kids sadly were better off. Hopefully he’ll get the karma he deserves also

[@nsmith1701]

Riddles

[@thestoryofrose]

As a South African woman and a mom this case really broke my heart...knowing she was 8 months pregnant. RIP Tshegofatso. Thank you for covering South African true crime cases, we love you Adrian.

[@gertruidatheunissen4384]

Also as a South African, It's actually scary and degrading to be part of this country.

[@LizilleLiz]

It was a shock to me when I heard about it.

[@LizilleLiz]

​@@gertruidatheunissen4384 I so agree with you.

[@Jen-rw7yh]

@@gertruidatheunissen4384 degrading? Miam you’re grandfather father done horrible things call the country horrible named now you saying it’s degrading to be part of this country is u re native England any better? Too many of y’all are far right followers living in Africa! What’s degrading is y’all living in Africa with all blood money and keeping all far right politics and Ben Sherpo extremist! Next time don’t talk about someone native continent knowing damn well how you got there!

[@Cocoa-mania]

I'm genuinely curious, why are South African men so violent and scary?

[@mosa_malaku]

I’m so happy that you covered this case. As a South African woman it’s so sad to witness how the rate of GBV is on the rise. It’s so heartbreaking! A friend of mine wrote and recorded a song about GBV where she mentions Tshegofatso. It’s such a beautiful song but also sad at the same time.

[@niag.3332]

What do you think is the reason for it? Thanks and greetings from Germany 🤗

[@SiriuslyLoony]

Please let us know where to find the song!

[@noziphononhlanhla6523]

What's the name of the song and the artist

[@sharnice4366]

If im right then her friend must be Lloyiso, the song is called Madoda Sabelani. The name maybe in a video. There were a lot of women who experienced GBV and died cause of it. But it may not be it😢

[@mosa_malaku]

@@noziphononhlanhla6523 it’s Sixoleleni by S’nazo

[@Beautifulchild22]

That dude was smiling for pictures. Wow, pure evil!

[@guesswho7881]

It’s a sad story but it could’ve been avoided, I’m in no way trying to put blame in the young lady but if she would’ve walked away after the engagement and abortion she may still be alive today

[@Remss777]

I feel most bad for the baby girl who never got a chance due to her immensely irresponsible parents

[@thandocezula9219]

If she wasn't murdered she'd still be alive! No matter the circumstances, no one deserves to die like that!

[@katiemilady197]

It was so sickening to see him smiling in the courtroom for all the reporters. What a monster. I've been in domestic abuse relationships and it's easier said than done to just "leave". I'm saddened that it was too late for her...may she and her baby girl RIP. Thank you Coffeehouse Crime for sharing her story. GBV is NEVER ok, and we will keep fighting to end it. 🙏❤️🙏

[@titilayomajiyagbe3088]

I couldn't understand how he can feel like a celebrity infront of cameras, I'm glad this guy is locked up for life he actually belongs there. And should rot there too. Sad case and a waste of two beautiful lives.

[@souldesire5932]

I was very shocked at that, but then again, it's not that surprising if someone is able to commit the type of crime he did and be in that type of state. It's like he's enjoying the attention..Do you have trouble sleeping by the way? I clicked on your profile and saw a bunch of hypnosis and sleep-based recordings..

[@velvetcandy7976]

I thought I was seeing my own things! Monster is an understatement 😢😢

[@heavenlymajesticking]

@@titilayomajiyagbe3088 money!

[@BavySmallz]

Keep on the good fight, my lady. Please remember to remind the women to learn how behave around men as well. It goes both ways.

[@mshlony]

Nobody deserve to die the way she did...I pray that her family finds closure 😢❤

[@thebigm8192]

"i did not choose to be preagnant twice with your child"... kinda not buying that one, like, did the child just materialize out of thin air ?

[@iceman4660]

Of course thats not true unless she didn't understand the sex can lead to pregnancy. However that is not an excuse for what was done to her and the baby.

[@thebigm8192]

@@iceman4660 never said it was

[@iceman4660]

@@thebigm8192 my apologies for my error.

[@elainevankat5353]

Agree! She sounded completely ridiculous!!!😂

[@elainevankat5353]

@@iceman4660 She planned it (every time she got pregnant). She wanted a man…. who didn’t even want her! 🤦‍♀️

[@49ers_red_and_gold2]

They never leave the toxic men alone. He got you pregnant once and again. 😑

[@mzshasta]

" I did not choose to be pregnant with your baby twice" . Ummm, YES, you literally did.

[@trinitheuceyone2492]

What I will never understand about stories like this is the complete ignoring of the fact that prevention is better than cure never occurs to any of these evil doers, male or female. 😔 If you didn't want a woman other than your fiance pregnant for you because you feel that would ruin your life why were you having intimate time with a woman other than your fiance? Also ladies especially young ladies, children do not get you a husband or keep a husband, the purpose of having children is not to secure the bag either. I am in no way saying this victim was doing any of that but we have to be careful to acknowledge these things as women. Sometimes our situation or affection for someone can make us believe that being with them even though the relationship is toxic is a good choice it is not.

[@y2m3e.45]

No you're completely right. Women really have to be smarter out here. Of course, the guy is definitely an a-hole. But, I honestly cannot put the full blame of him alone.

[@feelthejoy]

Birth control!! Or make him use a condom!! Sigh

[@mommy2libras]

​@@y2m3e.45 Yes, you absolutely can put the full blame on the person that chose to murder another person/have them murdered. Lots of us pick the wrong mate at least once in life- no one should ever die because of that and if they do, no it isn't their fault. At all.

[@BigReddSouthernGal25]

@@tiptriptravel She did insert herself into a dangerous situation but dude should have just walked away from her and the baby instead of murdering them. No excuse for this sick pos.

[@therealRyeIan]

The audacity of this man smiling for photographs taken inside the court is so evil and remorseless.

[@paulinav.richards8787]

Sorry but the "i didn't not chose to be pregnant..." Is a serious lack of accountability. You chose to be pregnant the moment you started having s@$&x without making him wear a condom or without you taking the pill or any other contraceptive method. Because, you can't ever expect anything from guys like that, except the worst.

[@SineNkosi.]

I'm from SA, you are the only KZbin (r) from overseas who I've seen doing cases from my country. That makes appreciate and love your channel even more.

[@No_Box_Thoughts]

The loss of Tshegofatso Pule is a heartbreaking reminder that we must continue to stand together against all forms of violence and demand TRUE justice for victims. Rest in peace, Tshegofatso.

[@projectkj7643]

Sickening how he sat there and smiled for the cameras. EVIL.

[@SinaAla]

Truly appreciate your dedication to international stories. Many claim to be international but skip right over Africa….

[@-.-Monster]

Covering horrible African crimes would take all time for the rest of time.

[@SinaAla]

@@-.-Monster Africa’s an entire continent of 1.2 billion, so yeah it would take a lot of time to cover crimes of that big a population

[@-.-Monster]

@@SinaAla weird how China has so much less crime with such a similar population

[@nostradamus010585]

@@-.-Monster the USA alone has more crimes than all africa combined you id*ot

[@Vonononie]

@@-.-Monsterthat has more to do with crime not being published by the Chinese Communist Party, mainly because their party members are committing it

[@theheartmekanik]

Sometimes, we as women fail to understand our place; if the man doesn't want to 'wife' you, let him go!! Additionally, you knew this man had a fiancee...nah by force!? And most importantly, a baby WILL NOT keep him!! Let us respect ourselves and let useless men go! Our lives are important, lets value it and know when to walk away. Ah ah!!

[@BigReddSouthernGal25]

His fiance should have walked away as well. Just because you are a main chick doesn't mean he respects you anymore if he's sleeping with other women.

[@SqueaksUofA]

Truly a sad story, but the girl would likely be alive had she cut ties with ole dude after her first pregnancy and abortion. I feel bad for her, but she could have removed herself from the toxic relationship and it likely would have saved her life. The reason I’m bringing this up is due to one of her text messages to him stating she didn’t make the choice to become pregnant by him twice… when in fact you did have a choice and you decided to continue sleeping with him. Everyone’s choices in life have consequences.

[@TawnyC_]

He continued having sex with her as well. If he did not want her to become pregnant, he shouldn't have done that.

[@SqueaksUofA]

@@TawnyC_ he wasn’t the one complaining about not having a choice, they both had a choice but she acted like she didn’t. You missed my point and you probably think I’m blaming the victim, but I’m just saying everyone’s actions have consequences. Considering she lost her life, you can say she had more to lose than him, so the decision to stay with the other person or not was way more important of a decision for her than it would be for the loser boyfriend that had her killed. You need to know when to remove yourself from a toxic relationship. This is coming from someone who has been physically abused in a relationship by a woman before so I know what it’s like to make this tough decision that I think she should have made herself.

[@TawnyC_]

@@SqueaksUofA What difference does it make if she "complained about having a choice"? No one would know that if they didn't read the Whatsapp messages. Who knows if she really meant it? He had the choice to be faithful to his girlfriend. He chose not to. Who knows what he was verbally telling either one of them? Most likely he was lying to his gf that he wasn't seeing Tshego; most likely he was leading Tshego on. Shoba *did* send her money to go to the doctor. He *did* promise to tell his family about the baby. He probably enjoyed being in the middle of a triangle, getting all this attention. It got to the point he did not want to chance things with his rich fiancée who was coming into some money. So Tshego had to go. Yes, you do sound as if you are victim blaming. Now if he had said "if you get pregnant again, I will murder you" and she got pregnant again and chose to stay with him, then yes, her being murdered could considered to be a consequence of that choice. Otherwise NO. She had no idea he would murder her. He sent an Uber to bring her to his place so they could make a list of baby items they needed to buy! I heard nothing about him physically abusing her. Please provide the time stamp.

[@adrian100]

​@@TawnyC_ The point is, I repeat, the point is she had a choice with who she sleeps with. Playing powerless and a victim doesn't excuse what he did, but this girl lacked any accountability for her role in her pregnancy.

[@TawnyC_]

@@adrian100 She's having a baby, how is that not taking accountability for her pregnancy?

[@samanthajacobs2827]

Ladies…when are we going to start being smarter? I can understand if you don’t know there is another woman…however, when you find out there IS, then STOP talking to this man! Why women of all races FIGHT with each other over these disgusting men…tearing each other down when they should both leave him! WE have to do better than this. Fortunately only twice in my dating life have I found another woman. And I STOPPED talking to than man immediately. LOTS of amazing men out there? Why do women constantly fight over trash? I’ll never understand…

[@nahambohilma8598]

Insightful words

[@nunya6056]

Thank you for bringing awareness. 😢 My grandfather is south African my generation is the second born here in the US. I idealized him as a child although he was strict and made all the decisions in the house he loved shower us girls with gifts. He would tell us about how great it was there and how when we were older he would take us. We all wanted to go. It wasn't until I was an adult I found out he had molested he's daughter, my aunt. I also didn't realize until I was an adult just how fortunate I am to have been brought up here. Women need more freedom, and desperately need more respect. In the words of Tupac "if we don't well have a race of babies who hate the ladies and since a man can't make one he has no right to tell a woman when and where to creat one"❤

[@gloriamokhesi2278]

🙄

[@rachellamont3594]

I'm really sorry that happened.❤ Tho there are men who can carry children, I do agree with the rest. GBV has to stop.

[@zenobiadecrespin7561]

This story was so sad. I wish she had broken away from him in time to save herself. My condolences to everyone who loves her and her daughter 🕯️🕊️🕯️

[@olliekyles2159]

Don't say you feel bad for the family if you blame this victim wholly. That's a slap in the face of them all.

[@Nina-jc3be]

I was absolutely unaware of gender based violence in South Africa. Thank you for making a part of the video specifically raising awareness about this issue.

[@CountesssBathory]

Not its just misogynistic

[@huldah1605]

​@@monsieurcharcutier4490 Because some groups are more targeted

[@MrDavebeemer]

As a South African, it's a real issue and it gets really bad. It stems from historical roles which are much worse in rural Africa. To make it worse there is little to no police response in rural area's. Let's just say it's like red neck, deep south, republican area. With less cops

[@TheCspencer6687]

​@David Beeming except deep south republican isn't a thing in America either. Movies maybe. South Africa is one of the best example of race based violence in the world. All the bs u see on CNN about black people being in danger in America is garbage, but whites in sa actually are in danger from the rasict attacks. A wife beating fentenyl addict odds in America and we platform an entire race and pretend like their special... take ur lies somewhere else

[@thefirm4606]

It’s a problem across the world sadly 😢

[@IroSelene]

It's sad but with that combo of toxic, problematic, dysfunctional and unhealthy individuals nothing would end up good!

[@Steven-ol4vo]

tldr: man would rather commit murder than wear a condom

[@crazypandabee]

I know this isn't the point of the video at all and RIP to the victims but. I know I am going to get flack for this comment, but so be it I guess because I speak my mind when it frustrates me. "I didn't choose to get pregnant with your baby twice" is probably the dumbest thing I have heard this year. You chose to. He did not force you to sleep with him. Just sounds like a manipulation tactic in my opinion.

[@moto3433]

And it's not like she was unaware he was without a condom. I wonder if she lied and told him she was on birth control and blamed the birth control for not working.

[@crazypandabee]

@@moto3433 Plus she waited until she knew it was going to be too late to abort it. She clearly just really wanted to have the baby. Which she could have done without involving him so forcefully. He, of course, was also a major idiot for sticking it in again after the first time it happened. Not to mention resorting to murder is very extreme and sickening. I can definitely see why you'd come to the conclusion.

[@BigReddSouthernGal25]

​@@moto3433So he's stupid enough to put that responsibility on her? If he didn't want children with her, he should have strapped up or better yet, not sleep with her at all.

[@moto3433]

@CandiiCaine 🍭 seems like she said she was on birth control...when she said "I didn't choose to be pregnant twice". The other scenario of her not choosing to be pregnant was if she would have been raped but seems like she was very much engaged in this relationship of her own free will. He obviously made it clear to her after the first pregnancy, that he did not want to have children with her. He made it clear to her that he did not want to have a serious relationship when he choose to stay with his fiancé instead of her. She knew better, and she was selfish to not think of giving her child a father who would actually be present by choosing to have a baby with a man who is actually available and committing to a life long relationship. Having a baby with an unavailable man is selfish because the pregnancy is used for bargaining and own agenda as opposed to think about what's best for the child, to have a father who wanted to be there and be a father before the baby was ever made.

[@BigReddSouthernGal25]

@@moto3433 Given she's selfish, he's still responsible for stopping his semen from going into her body by using condoms or simply not screwing her. Did she put a gun to his head? Don't want unwanted pregnancies, strap up or keep your d*CK out of said person. He's as responsible as she is. Period.

[@RealCarLoBenz]

The way you Said "SNITCHES" Took me TF out bruhhh 😂😂😂😂😂

[@oscarosei1985]

It's great how you put effort in humanising the victim and telling their story. I think this is one of the great things about this channel.

[@Hydranox]

I absolutely agree

[@varshikapitamber7949]

I am South African, and I can attest to the GBV that is prevalent in this country. It is astounding how she still chose him again and again when he was no good for her nor to her. I DID NOT CHOOSE TO HAVE YOUR CHILD TWICE.... you certainly did! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I guess love (and I use the word loosely) can make one do stupid things. How sad two people gone 😢

[@cynsi7604]

I believe that some women don’t have or should I say lack the confidence in being by their selfs. I had a high school friend that never seemed to be without a bf. When we got older she was always engaged so someone if felt like. Me, I’m the opposite. I had my share of bf but I also made sure that they understood that I wasn’t going to take any crap from them like screwing around behind my back or a major one DO NOT EVER HIT ME! I don’t care if it was a slight push I was outta that relationship faster than they could “think” to even do it again. Women need to stand up for themselves & not date some dude just because you “want” a bf, you’ll thank yourself in the long run & it may even SAVE YOUR LIFE!! 🇺🇸✌🏻

[@sharongrigg5336]

For a moment it sounded like you were victim blaming which would have been repulsive, disgusting n just plain vile. After all this POS could have just walked away & left her to raise her baby alone like hundreds of thousands do worldwide everyday.. but nah he had to have them both murdered. Not once in your comment have you lay the blame where it belongs, never once called him out, it's all on the victim. She made the mistake of loving this monster but that's all she's guilty of, can't say the same about him.

[@euphorbia1581]

Never read a psychology book? Things are always more complex than what they seem

[@nicholasrocher2742]

@@sharongrigg5336 unfortunately you are wrong. When someone pulls a gun on you and shoots you, are you responsible for having that trigger pulled? No. It will always be the killer's fault. I can talk from personal experience as a victim of abuse myself that it is never that easy to just walk away from your abuser. I was physically, emotionally and psychologically abused by my father and stepmother for most of my life. And yet I kept running back to them because I was kept away from my biological mother by them. They told me it was because she did not want me and in my mind my reasons for constantly running back to my father and stepmother only to suffer at their hands is because I felt like I had nobody else to turn to. Eventually, after managing to reconnect with my mother and learning that she had tried for all those years that my father and stepmother had told me that she didn't want me that she had constantly tried to reach out to see me but because of my father and stepmother's controlling nature I did not see her or speak to her till I was an adult. Even after that I still ran back to my father and stepmother even after they physically attacked me and I thought my life was in danger. It was only after my father physically assaulted me last month that I finally made the decision to cut him and my stepmother out of my life completely. I am even opening up a case against my father for the assault. But it took most of my childhood and my entire adult life to actually get to that point where I walk away. It really isn't as easy as it sounds and that is something you really should have taken into account when writing this comment.

[@nicholasrocher2742]

@@sharongrigg5336 my previous reply was not for you. It was for the original comment. My bad.

[@cynthiaward4512]

Situation like this never ends well...tragic

[@langa2903]

South African here and long-time Coffeehouse Crime subscriber. Thank you for covering this case. At the time that it happened, I was so frustrated and appalled because people that I knew brushed it off and treated Tshegofatso like she was just another unfortunate GBV statistic, and not as a human being who lost her life.

[@Tee-lady]

Yeah people always blame the mistress/side chick when it takes two to tango. I don't know when they will start pointing fingers at the men who want to have extra marital affairs and prey on vulnerable women who are desperate for money and marriage.

[@YtGad7000]

They should have been charged with double murder as the unborn baby was old enough to survive at the time of the poor victims murder!🦘🇦🇺😡😰

[@jimmyelkordy3752]

@@Tee-ladypeople blame both, it’s just really trashy to say “I’ll wait until it’s too late for an abortion”

[@DameWhoGames.]

Thank God for Adrian today, he is just what I need. Wonderfully told stories, incredibly researched, heart warmingly respectful and kind to the victim. Him and Mike are the goats in my opinion ❤

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

Don't thank him, thank Adrian considering he put the effort in 🤣

[@traedwyer5962]

For sure, he is a dude

[@clivebaxter6354]

He's not feeding that cat though

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

​@@clivebaxter6354 Wdum?

[@sterlingarcher857]

if you mean *Wdym? crazy cat lady

[@princessndlovu4869]

The relationship was toxic and it ended as most toxic relationships usually do. Its either you end it or you stay in it & die. The moment he made her get that 1st abortion was a red flag...I so wish she could have left this man sooner.

[@bababababababa6124]

Dying over love like this is the worst way to go. It’s never that deep

[@tombo416]

Hard truth. I don’t think I’ll ever love someone enough to kill over them

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

That's why I don't date, one of the many reasons that is

[@tombo416]

@@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic I wanna agree with you but it might also be cuz I’m awkward af 😂

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

​@tom bo Lmfaooo, I don't even get any form of attraction to anyone so I'm vibing 🤣🤣

[@ct7246]

people who do stuff like this aren't exactly normal thinkers

[@hungp.8191]

"I did not choose to be pregnant twice with your child." Umm yea you did. It's called not doing it :/

[@elainevankat5353]

Exactly! She knew what she was doing….TRYING TO TRAP HIM INTO MARRIAGE (by having his child).

[@BigReddSouthernGal25]

​@@elainevankat5353He knew what he was doing, sleeping with a woman other than his fiance unprotected.

[@liverbird956]

How can anyone murder another human being let alone a heavily pregnant woman!!! That's just pure Evil.

[@Alan_Mac]

"I did not choose to be pregnant twice with your child"? Yes. Absolutely she did.

[@chikaloprecious5332]

Same thoughts

[@Piti2X]

Its really sad what happened, and she didn't deserve this, but I honestly thought she purposely wanted to baby trap him... That's why she waited to tell him and played victim for being pregnant to get the guy. She even admitted it to the fiance. The guy is a dick for doing this though.

[@Rara-pr9wg]

Accurate

[@Matt-fe6wu]

Thought the same thing, she was willing to sleep with a man who was due to be married and wanted to bring a baby into the world with him still. I can’t get my head around what her plan was, This was clearly never going to end well.

[@Alan_Mac]

@@Piti2X Absolutely right - she didn't deserve it. She probably needed her dad or her mama to intervene here but she couldn't have that. A total tragedy of a case.

[@mackenziewilliams4507]

I’m just gonna say, she did not keep the baby because she felt bad about aborting the others! She kept that baby because she thought it was going to help her keep that man 🙄🙄

[@shannonigans2220]

And what a man he is 🙄

[@irshadtyo]

That’s just sad

[@PCLHH]

Probably. While he didn't care. If he cared he would have used a condom. And/or call things off properly.

[@BavySmallz]

True.

[@daniellesmart6927]

Thank you! She was crazy and spiteful for even sleeping with him again after she KNEW that he was MARRYING another woman and she’d already had one abortion from him. It all could have been avoided and I’m sure she would have still been here.

[@MonicaEGolak]

What do you think about the case of "Lori Vallow Daybel" ? Do you think you still can make a video on this case, even if is in trial at this moment?

[@dakg8034]

Triangular love affairs almost always never end well. And it is useless to put yourself in harm's way or be killed over or by these selfish and brutal monsters who care only about themselves. History is rife with these stories and their outcomes. And this case is especially heartrending because she was in an advance stage of pregnancy. That is as cold-blooded as it gets.

[@salinnthind5848]

Ladies, please respect yourselves. Stop putting yourselves in such situations like this. You can walk away very early on before it turns messy and toxic. To stick with a man knowing he has a fiancee is simply stupid and destructive. To become pregnant not once but twice is careless,non caring and selfish. That man is never going to be worthy of your time ,energy and love. What a sad terrible outcome.

[@Dionysos-]

They wont understand sadly

[@shizumaakiyama3129]

Right, like he clearly did not care for her or his wife, now she’s dead. The only thing women should do when they encounter men like him is run.

[@DiligentThroat]

so she deserved to die?

[@VioletteVITA]

​@@DiligentThroat No one said that. The answer you're looking for is obvious... She didn't deserve to die. OP's advice is meant for women and men who are still alive. Let's do our best to avoid being in such a messy situation.

[@salinnthind5848]

@@DiligentThroat 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@janprat23]

This man was selfish and a monster. I wish she had left him alone after she found out he had a girlfriend and after the first abortion. Her choosing to continue to sleep with him resulted in horrific consequences.

[@sarahissersohn5495]

No, I think you mean, him choosing to murder her, resulted in horrific consequences. It wasn’t like she walked off a cliff- the automatic consequences of sex are not death. Sex should not have resulted in murder. He is the one who did the murdering. He is the one who deserves 1000% of the blame. Not her.

[@janprat23]

@sarahissersohn5495 I’m not saying he’s not responsible for his choice.

[@sharnesteynsberg1411]

❤🇿🇦 thank you Adrian for covering our stories with such compassion and learning our unique names.

[@thansvettie6880]

You should look into the ongoing case of Thabo Bester, his story is absolutely wild.

[@kgosiking4228]

Yeah that one is hella wild.. but probably wont get a video on that one anytime soon cuz the case hasnt even concluded yet

[@marionfriedenthal7352]

He could do a video about Bester every day for the next two years and never get near the truth imo. In my 67 years I've never heard of anything like this.

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

Ooooooo, I might need to do a quick Google search

[@Kier4n99]

​@@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic Goodluck lmao

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

@@Kier4n99 Oh I shall enjoy, I had to write up about the hello kitty murder for crim classes 2 years ago and my passion for crime and learning about it has not decreased since passing it

[@lorrainebosibori5721]

This is truly sad. May she and her baby rest in peace.

[@Tahj-Leigh]

Please cover the Thabo Bester Story. Probably one of the most insane crime stories to come out of South Africa.

[@GenericUsername1388]

As a South African I appreciate you covering cases from my country I would've otherwise never known about❤

[@softwhiteund3rarm0r]

Im sorry if you choose to have sex with this man, you choose to have HIS baby. I dont get how she blames him saying "i didn't CHOOSE to get pregnant with your baby twice...." uhm so who did choose if neither of them did?

[@nancymakhwathana2434]

And what’s so sad is that her (Tshego’s) uncle was the defense attorney that represented Karabo Mokoena’s killer Sandile. At her funeral he was so heartbroken and vowed never to take such cases again😢

[@nahambohilma8598]

💔💔

[@Oblivia420]

As a South-African, this one hit hard. Love your channel Adrian, your content is always so insightful!

[@Victoria-ry2kq]

“I did not choose to be pregnant twice with your child “ what? Yes you did … Still you deserved better

[@hudihoodz]

As a South African, thank you for covering Tshego's case. I remember this very . It was during a hard lockdown when this occurred. It was unbelievable the rise of GBV in the country as women had nowhere to run to ! Thank you

[@radishfest]

Woah, the hard lockdown part actually seems super relevant for this one. What was it like? Were there restrictions on work and travel or a curfew? We never had serious lockdowns where I live

[@PositiveLeigh]

Is it just me or did he enjoy having his picture taken?! What a demonic sicko!

[@kaoshi_kutie]

My thoughts exactly!!

[@lollaorb3617]

There are MANY cases like this here in South Africa. The hearts of some men are full of evil.

[@tammywilkinson8311]

Adrian your pronunciation of names foreign or local to you are on point! This i am sure is extremely meaningful to the families of these victims. Amazing channel! ❤

[@truechamp3404]

Exactly!!!

[@koketsomoshira1015]

I love his channel 100% but his pronunciation of South African names is often wrong (but I think its because its such a change in accent to say it correctly) he gives his whole heart into it❤️ but he definitely said Tshegofasto and Tshego wrong. Still love his channel❤️🔥

[@theferalboy9563]

@@koketsomoshira1015 out of pure curiosity, how would her name be said?

[@rodrigodasilva7862]

She got a fatty so pul her# maybe . All together shegotafattysopul the pul is get her digits or ask her out .I sware 1st glance at the title I thought it was like that sorry yal ik ik

[@rodrigodasilva7862]

I honestly don't care who doesn't like my my comment or not because the fact of the matter is this is she didn't know Jesus Christ as her Savior and did not repent of her sins and only pursued for was beneficial to her meaning she cared more about her emotions about her state of well-being more than loving God God was not first in her life you better bet your last dollar she's in hell because if anybody knows the word of God is this life is not a game seek the Lord while he still may be found there's a way to man that seems right but in the end it leads to death you live in a corrupt World guys where you're not chart who your creator is in the sinner's prayer is the number-one thing sending people to Hell along with false prophets and preachers have a good day guys

[@annikin83]

Wow Adrian! Albeit bittersweet that it's crime from my country, it gives me pride hearing you bring awareness to these more than our own journalists. We should be paying you royalties ❤

[@ggnozi1258]

Thanks you for telling our South African stories with such respect. my heart still bleeds for Tshegofatso 💔

[@Matt-fe6wu]

I can’t understand why she would continuously sleep with a man who was clearly with someone else, knowing it was wrong she still wanted to bring a baby into the world with him. Can’t get my head around it, what was the plan

[@samjohns3227]

I was hoping after she'd had the abortion she would have severed her relationship and learned a very hard lesson but unfortunately it wasn't to be. Glad he will never be free.

[@elainevankat5353]

Her plan was to trap him by having his baby (the 2nd time around) Absolutely foolish!!!

[@vminhope3040]

Why was the gf with him if she knew he had another while dating her. All of them made bad choices. They both should’ve left his ass.

[@BigReddSouthernGal25]

Funny, how she gets all the blame. She lost her life but he had no right to take her life even if it was morally questionable.

[@shaymene8112]

I think she loved this man and wanted to be tied to him so she kept the pregnancy and also she wanted to irritate the other woman. She knew the man did not want a child with her but got pregnant twice. She contributed towards her own death

[@iolandajones7050]

I live in South Africa, luckily in a very rural agriculture farming area in a safe province and wasn't even aware of this horrific crime. I love watching your channel, I am blessed to have satalite internet as we are far out of town and no TV in our house or much cellphone signal. Really love your channel. Well done

[@jimmyavpi]

I'm not saying she deserved to be murdered but she really needed to respect herself more than sleep around with a man who she knew already had a girlfriend. After the first abortion, she definitely knew he was never going to be with her but she still kept on sleeping with him. How desperate for a man was she?

[@Zimruns]

U are judging

[@jimmyavpi]

@Self care SA and running We are all here to be judged. That is sadly part of life.

[@y2m3e.45]

Sorry, but I find it really difficult to feel for this woman. I only feel bad for the child who had no fault here. Please, be smarter! Time and again things like this have happened and yet, so many women only attack each other over a freakin' man acting like it's high school!? They even knew about each other! How can you continue to have a relationship with a man like this and choose to give your body to him but also the worst part being, ever heard about protection?? Birth control? It was her second time having to go through this. Isn't one experience enough to keep you away from the guy? Have more self respect please... It's ridiculous how careless and childish people can be. Honestly, an infuriating case, but not for the reasons I imagined... And please don't even bring up religion in it. I swear people do the craziest crap and then remember religion whenever they feel it's apt. Makes me sick.

[@Inquisitive-Minds126]

Its alarming that there are such men with evil heart

[@wendyactonburnell4096]

As a resident of South Africa, Thank you, Adrian, for covering cases in our hometown. There is so much GBV and general crime here and it tends to fall by the wayside, in other countries. Really appreciate you talking about our lost ones Xxx

[@treepawn8528]

HI Adrian and fans, as per usual a sadly great narration. Love your platform and the way you sensitively portray emotional and difficult subjects in a really intelligent and empathetic way. Keep it up..

[@justinknight8281]

I don’t understand how a woman can say “I didn’t choose to be pregnant” well. U kinda did. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Raymo2u]

you are amazing! I love how respectful you are presenting the stories

[@GaleBuer]

....she go fatso? Really?

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

​@@GaleBuer Kinda racist to dump on African names.

[@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic]

Lmfao he deleted his comment 🤣🤣

[@GaleBuer]

@@Im_Iconic-Youre_Ironic Comment is still there. Must be hidden. I was wondering where my comment went. Didn't mean to post it as a reply.

[@wendymarie7151]

Another horrible Deep Dive into the abyss of gruesome tales!! Adrian, I absolutely love these documentaries you inform us about!! Your channel is my favorite on KZbin!! The way you describe what happened is truly gripping. I always look forward to taking that deep dive with you. All my best to you and Nero. 😊

[@leahgolden7242]

So cute how he says the cosmetic store MAC lol men 😂 just so you know it’s pronounced like Mack. Ok on with the rest of the video….

[@carebear8762]

I have to take issue with, "found herself in the situation". She was a competent, autonomous, adult woman of normal intelligence with agency and free will. She didn't "slip and fall" into being, and accepting being, a side girlfriend. She didn't just "find herself" pregnant, twice, by a man whom she knew to be a player with a different woman as his expressly chosen long-term partner. She was an adult, with agency and free will, who made choices which she obviously felt were worth it to her at the time. She did not ask nor deserve violence, no woman does, but infantilizing her, and other competent autonomous adult women of normal intelligence with agency and free will, is misogynistic in the extreme. Women are not children needing to be protected from the world and their own choices.

[@TawnyC_]

So I heard she had agency and free will 👌

[@BigReddSouthernGal25]

Just as she had free will so did he. He knows unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy, yet chose not to use it. It takes two.

[@carebear8762]

@@BigReddSouthernGal25 You are correct, but in this case no one is trying to excuse his choices by denying him agency by saying he "found himself" in that situation. In any event, if you are having sex with someone, and you don't want to have a pregnancy occur, and your partner refuses to take protective measures, it does in fact fall on you, as a competent, autonomous adult of normal intelligence with agency, to either find a different/better partner, or take ownership of that issue for your own protection. There's no one else left to take responsibility, the buck always stops with the individual.

[@EssenceofCoils]

I get so tickled every time you say someone has "fallen pregnant" 😂

[@-LivingProof]

I know what you mean! Me too 😊 like they tripped & fell and voila!

[@rudra62]

@@-LivingProof I guess it depends upon what a woman lands on when she trips and falls. 🤣 (GDR) Pro tip: If you desire to become/get someone pregnant, this is not the recommended way to do it. It poses a risk of breaking the man's penis, as well as injury to the woman.

[@TkKirklandReal]

Two careless adults smh . Make the same mistakes and expect different results.