The Mystery of Kyron Horman

Kyron Horman was excited to show off his science project. However, after his step mother, Terri Horman, waved at him as he walked to class, he marked absent, and mysterious disappeared. After the disappearance of Kyron Horman, many other bizarre things would happen, and the last person to see Kyron, Terri Horman, would only act more and more suspicious.
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[@Andrea-nom]

NOPE there's no way the whole school marked him absent and he was there. He never went to class. She left with him.

[@kelleyrobles1961]

I can’t even think of another viable option

[@brsgeek]

Can confirm I went to this school when this happened and he was there, photographic evidence, student and teacher testimony, and then he was gone. All of us were shocked because how could he just disappear? We were a school of 300 total (kindergarten through 8th grade), all of us were friends and knew each other’s families. There’s no way someone unknown walked into the school and was not stopped and asked what they were doing there, who their kid was, etc. Once my uncle came to pick me and my sister up and no one at the school knew him and so he was stopped from getting more than a couple steps into the building. It all points back to Terri.

[@Lee_Marie.2]

@Bill j During research, true crime authors usually go to the source and interview many people connected to the case: neighbors, friends, classmates, teachers.

[@B-Nana]

Bill j WRONG!! Terri is guilty !!! MULTIPLE ADULTS & children saw Terri leaving with Kyron. It’s not IF it’s WHEN she is held accountable for ALL she has done! Tick Tock TERRI .. WHERE IS KYRON?!!

[@katielest7529]

Bill j you can’t just base an entire argument off her words tho? Just cuz she said she left without him doesn’t mean she did? She also stated the last time she saw him was when he was walking to class but there was no record of him being at school after Terri left. There is like a 1 in a million chance that a stranger took him in the school building in the ten min it took for her to last see him and class to start. Or that he wondered outside and someone took him in the ten min she saw him walking to class and class starting? Nothing about her story adds up. She lied and he must have left with her. It’s the only reason he left his stuff and didn’t cause a seen when he disappeared and it’s the only story that fits the time line.

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

Interesting how she was emailing her friend saying that she didn't like Kyron, and yet she decided to take pictures of him with his science project and upload them to Facebook. Almost as though she thought she might need proof that she dropped him off at school...

[@debbieanne7962]

Well said, I didn't think of that

[@starshapedsky]

Exactly my thoughts. Like, good cover up attempt, lady 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@constanceleah118]

While I would take pics (even if I didn't like said kid) I would take them and send to parents for them, not posted for myself of someone I claimed to not like... Unless, what you said.

[@Brax1982]

And what about all the other pictures that were uploaded prior to that? Which Mike has shown here. Am I missing something?

[@philtanics1082]

So obvious it was her just from the "family adress" to the public, her body language to Kyron's mother and way she carried herself said it all. Reminds me of my crazy ex.

[@SECONDQUEST]

Man this one sucks. I still see sun bleached posters for him sometimes.

[@pennyp7382]

That's heartbreaking. Poor little guy..so innocent. I was a nanny in San Diego when Danielle Van Dam went missing later found murdered. The families kids went to the same elementary school and wanted to always drive around to search for her 😥. He was pretty torn up and afraid for a while. This was back in 2001. This one was extra sad to watch.

[@PeachysMom]

I still follow the Facebook page, since 2010

[@monkiesngoosies56]

They're everywhere still. People still bring it up and talk about how sketchy Terri was behaving

[@quotidian5077]

Damn that is sad.

[@cypher237]

@@monkiesngoosies56 yeah, I never trusted her...

[@AikoTakahashii]

Kyrons mom frequently walks through the Forrest trying to find him. She’s a one woman team. I can’t imagine what she is going through and the anger of KNOWING what makes sense but not having enough for an arrest. I really hope this baby is found.

[@OftenGreenLaflippadoos]

Hate that this the outcome for her, but it does show the unwavering devotion and love from mother to child. There is a dichotomy of purity of love, and the tragic disgusting crime from a supposed somewhat "surrogate" parent and a child into a mixed family. Not at all saying that there is a large proportion of mixed families that don't work or end in tragedy, my point is more the comparative nature to contrast between such diametric opposites. And overall how tragic yet beautiful that a mothers love is so powerful.

[@Saansaari]

This is so sad. Poor woman 😢

[@switchbladekid57]

Why don't Kyron Horman's World Soldiers help her? They certainly post a lot but I guess they're more talk than action.

[@OftenGreenLaflippadoos]

@@switchbladekid57 kinda agree with you on this... I'm not going to make excuses. If I was one of his soldiers, I would need probably some sort of ATV or whatever I could use to ride through wherever. I'd do it. I have 15-25+stress fractures in my body including 10 or more fractured vertebrae (sacrum and lumbar) , and more fractures throughout different areas:left side of jaw, left wrist, my pelvis, both rib connections to spine, a couple ribs themselves both hips, and maybe more. I agree with you 💯 that actions always speak louder than words, but if given the chance to help and research in a case like this, or an unsolved murder in general I would love to help if I can. Again I'm broke and going through a health crisis but that shit hasn't stopped me from other things . I wouldn't want to let it run my life know either.

[@switchbladekid57]

@@OftenGreenLaflippadoos Oh my God, you've really been through the wringer. I'm so sorry that you're suffering like this. Unfortunately, Kyron Horman's World Soldiers are actually vigilantes, more interested in harassing Terri than in actually locating the boy's body.

[@neatrepeat]

I laughed so hard when she said that there was a dodgy white truck by the 7-Eleven and the person asked her where the nearest school was. Yeah pedophiles go around asking random people where the nearest schools are.

[@alfiona7951]

That was obviously made up. She probably brought up the pedophile thing to hurt the parents and draw attention away from her.

[@MrJeep75]

It is bull shit, because there is no 7/11 in the area

[@Kylie-playsroblox]

@@MrJeep75 yep

[@kathrynmckeown3595]

@@MrJeep75 As for the white van. How unoriginal.

[@thathusky7248]

Bruh she even looks guilty in the fucking interview

[@kelcieox]

“kyron was scared of not being able to find his way home” that hurt my heart. 😭😭

[@mister8765]

Totally!

[@amandawestcott6628]

Tears

[@hallievanoutryve3109]

😢

[@gjbutler09]

Because she wasn't taking him home.

[@sammysabo]

It makes me want to cry , this poor baby

[@EvilOdysseus]

I really hate when it's obvious who's done the crime and there's not enough evidence to make an arrest.

[@TheMuddyMilesTrain]

i know! there are so fuckin many of them, it's unbelievable.

[@nimo517]

It’s unreal what people get away with by simply denying and denying. The Casey Anthony case just baffles me beyond comprehension. If you can wait a month before reporting your child missing, get caught telling multiple versions of what happened, have google searches about killing, find blood and chemicals in the trunk... AND still get away with it by claiming innocence... then I’m hopeful committing any crime. Jesus Christ that case baffles me

[@DD-d6d3]

@A Tangerine the defense in the Casey Anthony case presented plausibility that her father had done it, and Casey 's mother testified that it might have happened that way. Her parents worked to defend Casey. In this case, we can't even say a crime was committed. A defense attorney will say, "could he have wandered into the woods behind the school and gotten lost?' it's a reasonable supposition.

[@leahvogelsimpson]

@@nimo517 I read somewhere it was because of the prosecution trying to get her on higher charges. If they had done like 2nd degree murder not 1st degree they might've gotten that murdering bitch.

[@shajiniravitharan9655]

but in this case id say they do have evidence cause so many witnessed terri with kyran and she failed polygraph and she cant account for her whereabouts ,which makes it all the more frustrating

[@lisahinton9682]

My heart broke at the end when Mike said that one of Kyron's big fears was not being able to make his way home, and then "Hopefully, some day, he will." Well-worded, Mike, as per usual. Thanks for this video; it was so tough, though.

[@ScottSMITH-lf2in]

Heartbreaking

[@Gracer2599]

I got chills when he said that...

[@CikisHelyzet]

I just can't imagine two grown adults talking about how they hate a 7yr old. As a younger person I assumed people matured as they got older. It's situations like these that force you to realize how many old overgrown, decrepit, and selfish children roam the earth. Many ppl never grow out of their self-centred child mind.

[@dontreply8346]

Just like trump

[@kylenoble4517]

Or just like Lex Luxon for bringing politics into a place it doesn’t belong...

[@WeatherBarroon2]

Lex Luxon Durrrrr OrAnGe MaN BaD 🤪

[@paulabuck5976]

Lex Luxon and his followers

[@ericsacks5731]

Well said!

[@braydentaylor303]

The fact that little boy could never show his science project that he was so excited to show is heartbreaking. who could hurt a child? I can’t even fathom

[@1776PonySoldier]

I don't know why but that made me so sad. My little boy gets so excited when something special happens at school. I just can't imagine

[@AmosLaRue]

@@1776PonySoldier It breaks my heart. Now that I have children, I can't handle stories like this. I can see the innocence and trust in the child's face in those pictures, and can't even fathom what such an innocent little person could be thinking in their last moments with a person (with whom they love and trust) whilst they are being betrayed in the most horrific way. The thought makes my heart feel like it might come undone.

[@drewblackland7125]

@chris kibodeaux it’s beyond debatable. I’d say it’s almost certain that she left with him. Sure, they can’t prove it. But common, you know that bitch did it

[@drewblackland7125]

He walked into a hallway full of Kids and simply disappeared. Or could it be that he never was walking to class. Which is more probable

[@mommy2libras]

@@drewblackland7125 except that people saw him at school. There's pictures of him at school. You have to wonder how many other random adults were at the school that day helping kids to bring in projects and set them up. Schools didn't used to be so tight with security the way they are now. If a bunch of people are going in and out then there would have been many chances for him to encounter someone else. Especially if he stopped in the bathroom or something on the way to class.

[@moonbeam8120]

Theres a special place in hell for anyone who hurts a child

[@petertibbett4990]

yeah, it's in the sub-basement. Wayne Gacy, Clifford Olson, Charles Manson, the whole gang is there!

[@moonbeam8120]

@@petertibbett4990 disgusting vile excuse's of humans dont even no if any of them were human how could anyone even think of doing what they done just pure evil

[@denisemarie3734]

@troy stevens please never have children.

[@denisemarie3734]

@troy stevens you’re very creepy!!

[@denisemarie3734]

@troy stevens right next door to you!😂🤣😂

[@meriumhasthephonebox]

That poor, sweet little boy... the science fair thing is just killing me. He was so excited.

[@lirrtrainwreck]

Amazing to think this case would’ve been solved if there were just cameras in the school/parking lot like there are all over the place today

[@AlitaQuinn]

I think about that often..

[@jasonwilliams5550]

that pisses me off about this case

[@lirrtrainwreck]

@@jasonwilliams5550 haha I know me too. Think about how many cases could be solved if security cameras were around just one or two years earlier.

[@Fraukie_H]

It would also have been solved if the person that picks the kid up has to show an ID and sign it out. What is that for a school when someone getting in and just taking a kid without getting asked if that is legit is even possible? I am not hysteric, but my kid wouldn't go to a school like that.

[@robingarrett3171]

@@lirrtrainwreck haha?

[@25ready75]

Currently Terri is living in Lake County, California. She drives a green camero with a black stripe on the middle. The town harasses her when she's seen.

[@toxics.]

Good!

[@deaconstjohn4842]

Good

[@25ready75]

@@teresaspeakman5839 I didn't know this. Thank you!!

[@stephaniesamra7960]

Nice one - keep up the pressure 👏👏👏

[@JuicyfruitJessieB]

That gives me the smallest amount of satisfaction, thank you!

[@rosspearson9277]

Okay, so this kid mysteriously disappears eh? Let's watch the video. "He usually rode the school bus." Ok. "But on this particular day, Kyron was driven to school.." Hm ".. by his stepmother." Hmmm

[@Itried20takennames]

Ross Pearson I generally agree the whole situation looks shady, esp. with her trying to hire a hit man, but science projects are usually bulky and hard to get on and off school buses, so not super surprising he was driven that day.

[@rosspearson9277]

@@Itried20takennames hmmmmmmmm

[@abebuckingham8198]

"We have a very clear timeline of her whereabouts for the several hours after that" - oh... this is new...

[@austinv9964]

Multiple people claim that they saw him walk out of the school with his step mother. Ummm yes

[@MarkPMus]

Vidalion In which case, no one would have used the bus that day. Which isn’t true, and therefore an excuse, not a reason. My worry is how lax the school security measures appear to have been on that day.

[@soisyou5184]

In some cases the innocent gets sent to prison when there are no evidence, and in cases like this the guilty goes free.. mindblowing!

[@naomiledger1374]

Couldn't agree with you more. Unbelievable.

[@SheBPadfoot]

The Mom said it best, “I can remember what I ate that day. And she can’t remember where she was.” How horrible, poor boy. He looked so happy at the science fair.

[@DD-d6d3]

The mom is lying. Terri told the police what she did multiple times. She's still willing to talk to them, but they haven't asked her for an interview since 2010. This is in public records.

[@ChubbieVickie]

I cant remember what i ate for yesterday's lunch. I hope i dont get into any legal trouble. I'd look really bad.

[@deniserossiter1059]

D D SO , are you THAT D.D.? Best friend of step-mom Terry?

[@blondegypsy8525]

D D What is in public records?

[@B-Nana]

Reno Thomas WE ALL KNOW ITS TERRI!!! ARREST HER ALREADY! Desiree and Terri WERE NEVER friends. Terri put out to try and make herself look better. Terri has always been jealous of Desiree. Can’t understand what the hell Kaine was thinking to go from Desiree to that thing 🤮 Talk about a downgrade. The book goes into EVEN MORE details about HER disgusting scandalous heartless behavior. All of our suspicions haven’t changed. It’s HER. It’s always been HER. All of us in Oregon know it was HER. ARREST HER ALREADY!!!! If you’re from Oregon you’ve got to get a copy of Kyrons book that just came out. It’s called “BOY MISSING - THE SEARCH FOR KYRON HORMAN” by Rebecca Morris. It’s bailable on Amazon, kindle, nook and audio. Totally worth the read. It’s so Heartbreaking to read from Desiree’s perspective but also reaffirming - TERRI IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHATEVER HAPPENED TO KYRON ON JUNE 4th 2010. Read the book BOY MISSING- The Search For Kyron Horman - Grab a box of tissues and be prepared to join “Kyron’s World Soldiers” - an army of supporters who want to know WHERE KYRON IS!!!!!!!! Tick Tock Terri ..... We WILL NEVER GIVE UP KYRON!! WE PROMISE!!!

[@SandiByrd]

A grown up hating a little kid so ferociously that she blamed him for her failing marriage and clearly got rid of him? Jesus. The world is so messed up. That poor baby smiling into the camera at his science fair....and the terror he must have felt in his last moments. I can't imagine. No question in MY mind she's guilty af.

[@anaderol5408]

And no doubt once she disposed of Kyron and then the husband via the hired hitmen - she would have inherited the house and any savings / insurance etc. in her husband's name. His son already dead would not inherit a cent.

[@wackw0odz]

O.

[@EvanCops]

i just pray it was quick. Very very quick

[@maryallison0509]

I was wondering how a grown woman could hate a child. I guess I can understand being annoyed by the "you aren't my Mom and you can't tell me what to do" attitude some kids show. But this kiddo was only 7. Kids aren't usually that young when they start that. My heart goes out to Kyrons parents and step dad.

[@Lee_Marie.2]

Reminds me of the Gannon Stauch case. His step-mother killed him for the same reason. At least that evil bitch is behind bars.

[@in2delite]

After Casey Anthony's acquittal...nothing surprises me anymore. The world is full of injustice 😏

[@catherinerainville4232]

Agreed... :(

[@lookingforsanjunipero4542]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Cases like this make one’s heart ache; I can’t even imagine how the (innocent) parents and loved ones of these children must feel. It’s an atrocity that no loving caregiver should have to endure. I wish we could figure out a better justice system model. Obv no system can make every person happy; it just feels like ours has fails too often..

[@shajiniravitharan9655]

right so frustrating there can heavy evidence against a person and yet they arent held accountable i dont understand

[@adayahwilson2743]

Yea the Casey Anthony case pisses me off I know she killed her daughter but shes a free woman cuz they only had circumstantial evidence. You can tell in the interrogation and interviews shes guilty as hell. It's sick

[@AMYV3]

Why is this not enough for a conviction. It is to me. If not ...the police messed it up

[@clairepruden4974]

In the press call with the parents, Terri isn’t crying, just acting. She attaches herself physically to her husband and Kyron’s mum to simulate a connection and evoke an emotional ‘shared’ response. It’s horribly obvious IMO.

[@DizzyedUpGirl]

The difference between her and Desire's new husband is drastic. Tony looks actual distraught. Terri looks like "don't be suspicious, don't be suspicious"

[@ohnoudidnt125]

Man, that kid being afraid he couldn't find his way home hurts my heart.

[@tubagal13]

I know... I watch a lot of true crime stuff and nothing hurt my heart more than that detail.

[@candyrain09able]

Hurts deep. 😔

[@TechVikingHunter]

Same.. this one had me tearing up a bit

[@susanmeadows627]

Me too. So sad. My heart breaks for his family. 💔😢

[@chrislewis5069]

Hope your heart feels better soon

[@LeeDee5]

Gannon Stauch made me think of this poor boy all over again.

[@JamesLibrary]

Gannon was killed by Link, obviously.

[@gennyzelis2303]

Same

[@kristenjustkristen9462]

@JaneyAnimal rescuer 247 Are you saying Gannon's mom lived with her ex,? She didn't live with them in Colorado, she lived out of state. She did however come and stay in that house when she found out Gannon had "ran away" She only stayed to help search, and until it was evident Gannon was gone and his step mother Leticia was to blame. Considering how moronic Leticia is, it didn't take long.

[@Algo1]

Yeah...way too similar.

[@kristenjustkristen9462]

@A B Them both taking eerie pictures right before they killed these young boys is one of the similarities that chills my soul. Gannon is asleep in his bed, and Kyron right in front of his science project. I think leticia made herself a suspect on day 2. All those crazy lies, and outrageous behavior. Terry didn't come across as a suspect until weeks into the investigation. I do hope she gets whats coming to her. And I hope she's never allowed to change her name. She should have to live with it for the rest of her miserable life. As far as leticia goes, her goose is cooked. Lol

[@marvinarnett9263]

I hate the videos that dont end with a conviction. That boy needs justice.

[@MrDotR]

No hard evidence unfortunately

[@hand__banana]

yeah if only we could convict people on intuition and feelings

[@CC-vj6dd]

Yes.

[@levitatingoctahedron922]

people wanting convictions at any cost is how innocent people end up in prison. people like you are dangerous.

[@davidhollenshead4892]

@@MrDotR What Mike missed about the Portland Metro Area is the Coyote factor, as we have almost no roadkill here, as the Coyotes eat all the roadkill... If Kyron did get lost & hurt in the woods or his body was dumped in the woods by a murderer, there could be little to no evidence of their meal within 24 hours... Which means this case likely will never be solved...

[@amylocasto2575]

Someone has to know something. The fact that a body hasn’t been found and that it’s 12 yrs now makes me so sad. The family deserves answers and I hope the truth comes out soon.

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

Poor little guy. I hope he's found. How can you hate a seven-year-old? Sure, they can be annoying but to actually hate a child? She seems like narcissistic beyotch to me.

[@nikeeweston]

Zero_BS_Tolerance she sounds like a paranoid psychopath, she probably imagined the little boy talking about her, imagined him with far more power than he had. Basically she’s nuts and the little boy took the brunt of her insanity.

[@christinefredricksen8743]

At seven years old kids are so precious! This is awful all around.

[@JLynnEchelon]

That's what I have a hard timr understanding. Seven year olds can be very annoying, but to *hate* them? For a prolonged period?

[@EllaJaneBinks]

Remember, it happens a lot. Some step-parents can absolutely loath children from the previous marriage just because they're not their own. It's some bizarre narssistic selfish thinking probably fuelled by jealousy. A lot of abuse and murder of children happens because of it... It's absolutely disgusting 🥺

[@sylviapuppysticker8664]

As its been abt 10 years, if he really was in Forest Park in 2010 the animals wouldve scattered his bones by now... we would be lucky to find anything but its such a large forest its like finding a needle in a needlestack

[@User-uj7nz]

I was a local resident in two separate Oregon counties where his stepmother hid after local press kept tracking her down and I can't tell you how grateful I am that you decided to reintroduce this case to a new gen of internet slueths. Seriously, thank you. Okay, I'll start the video now....

[@Flame44]

I’m glad he’s speaking about Kyron !! Sadly, cases like this get pushed aside 😕 Hope they get answers

[@User-uj7nz]

Fr. I don't think there's a single Oregonian out there believes this lady is innocent. She's our Casey Anthony.

[@doxasophosmoros]

@@Flame44 pushed aside? Its so famous, everyone around the world knows thius case! Meanwhile in the UK, innocent jeremybamber sadly is still in a jail, after being wrongly convicted for his psycho sisters homicidal attacks from 1985!! Why won't anyone cover that, for once!??

[@robynaverys1036]

@@doxasophosmoros Have you asked any KZbinrs to?

[@SmittenlilKitten67]

@@robynaverys1036 hey I realize this question wasn't directed at me but I have personally I am from the area I've been following this case from the beginning and I have begged for coverage on this case specifically. Bring Kyron home!!!

[@Dec15baby]

This is not unsolved, just not proven, isn’t that right Terri

[@rachelprinsloo7520]

I agree

[@surveyingthelandscape4273]

TRUTH.

[@Natnansa]

it’s so sad that this is probably true.

[@WestonEvans]

Or literally any other creeper that was at the school that morning.

[@hasnafaitah5193]

Sometimes...when there is no big proof....the small proofs all together are tight ..and discriminating...(like being the last person with the victim+having some kind of fight struggle in his chest at same day the victim is missing+he is an killer also after few years) This is proof

[@ravengatos7844]

When Mike reiterates at the end that Kyron's fear was not being able to find his way home, it absolutely tears me up.

[@burly636]

Can you imagine not knowing where your child is all those years. Devastating.

[@themightyparthos]

Depends on which child actually...

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

@@themightyparthos The main topic one.

[@aak8297]

dead anyway

[@yesboss8657]

@@aak8297 wow you must have the loneliest of lives I actually pity you. Hopefully you will find your way out of that dark place you're in and find some positivity

[@jacksmedullaoblongata7659]

She'd be tied to a chair with duct tape until I got my answers.

[@varaoz123]

Reporters: “The search continues, but now the focus is on the least likely person, the victim’s stepmother.” Everyone else: “Have they not seen any Disney movie?”

[@clpr2023]

Exactly

[@theEumenides]

I believe statistics also show that rates of filicide and abuse by stepparents are disproportionately common...so from a statistical point of view, she's the most likely person.

[@wmdkitty]

Or just looked at cases where kids have been killed? It's most always a parent or stepparent.

[@debbierobbins360]

I'm a stepmother and we always get such a bad rap. Unjustifiably. But in this case, it seems very probable it was Terry.

[@FallingGalaxy]

@@theEumenides This is true, and yet, I think withholding full judgement until or unless there is enough actual, tangible evidence, is the wise thing to do.

[@stancexpunks]

“Men don’t approach me because they know I can outbench them” “I’ve never dated anyone I can bench their weight” The douchiest lines in existence

[@justanotherone685]

Pretty typical in our gym rat world, actually lmaoooo

[@levirobinson6828]

Pretty typical??people going to the gym is now a "gym rat"..lmao this world has become a joke with labels and stereotypes lmao i bet the guys never even seen inside a gym..

[@slimeprivilege]

@@levirobinson6828 stop crying snowflake

[@rexstetson1717]

I kept thinking that woman looked so familiar. Then as soon as those texts were read, I remembered. There was a Dr. Phil episode about this case. Her story about the pedophile at the store, asking for directions to the nearest school was laughable. I suppose the was also a guy holding a gun, and wearing panty hose over his head, asking where the nearest bank was.

[@katybug6572]

Rex Stetson lol! Right?! What a joke

[@FrankiWhite730]

The step mom standing there hugging the mom during the press conference makes my blood boil... you have to be 1 evil person to be able to stand up there in front of thousands and hug the mother of your victim especially a few days after doing what you did!! Smh

[@MissNash17]

She looked guilty

[@margaretadami6358]

It sickened me too,,,I figured she had something to do with it

[@pattywatson2350]

I knew, the step mom did kill him. Nobody in the school saw him at school. They went to sit up and left. He never wen to the classroom.

[@LaymanGamin]

She’s innocent. She hasn’t been proven guilty it’s been 10 yrs n they still can’t prove it. She is innocent

[@waynepolo6193]

​@@LaymanGamin"Innocent" and "Not Guilty" do not mean the same thing. Neither is the absence of evidence evidence of absence.

[@sn4ppydr3w66]

Sounds like Terri could use a visit from Dexter.

[@w0mblemania]

American justice, huh? So much for presumption of innocence and a fair trial.

[@sn4ppydr3w66]

@@w0mblemania Did you watch the same video I did? Which proverbial smoking gun would you like me to direct you to? There's plenty to chose from. Imagine speaking about fairness and generalizing Americans in the same comment.

[@w0mblemania]

@@sn4ppydr3w66 That's why we rely on courts of law, and due process, instead of lynch mobs. You're not a legal expert in this case.

[@sn4ppydr3w66]

@@w0mblemania Watch and read enough of these and the like, and you'll quickly realize that very system can be severely flawed. Regardless, the initial comment was genuinely just a joke, sorry you took it that seriously. There's also a difference between a vigilante and a lynch mob. Sometimes inadequacy isn't acceptable.

[@sn4ppydr3w66]

@w0mbles Also, "You're not a legal expert in this case." No shit, Sherlock. I'm curious as to how you interpreted anything I said as such.

[@jsmalls9575]

I think it’s disgusting that a grown woman resented a child for ruining her marriage. I think perhaps her third marriage was about to be her third divorce and she was looking for someone besides herself to blame. He seemed like such a sweet kid.

[@garymadgwick6711]

Obviously it’s yet to be proven that she did murder that poor boy but I think you are correct, she is showing signs of narcissism in that it’s everybody’s fault but her own when things go wrong. She has also been arrested twice years later for unrelated crimes so she has form. It’s not looking good for her but if she did do it she will never admit to it, that is not how her mind works.

[@shroomyk]

I kept rewinding and listening again to make sure I heard it correctly. I couldn't believe she was blaming the kid.

[@megangriffith9630]

If your on your third marriage, you really need to look at yourself and your choices

[@SDnative111]

It happens more often than we like to believe. I barely survived childhood. Beatings were intense from the ‘red-headed step-monster.’ The lies she told to turn people against me were pretty wild but very effective. This case ... it’s impossible for me to be unbiased because of what I endured. Tragic and heartbreaking for someone so small to be treated in such a manner.

[@burnnaj]

Story of my life fr

[@davidferreras195]

Someone needs to tell Terry that it is possible to simply just break up with someone without killing them.

[@briancook7559]

If everyone did that mike would loose 3/4 the video content hes does and i would have to find another channel to binge watch

[@pgyt5548]

@@briancook7559 lol

[@fatefatefate]

Terri*

[@SkivbarKaviar]

Chris Watts and a few other people seemed oblivious to that fact as well 🤷🤦

[@clintg3435]

She wasn't dating the child.

[@haleyrobb5198]

I'm from Oregon. Terri tried changing her name to claire in the same county I reside in. Terri will always be the number 1 suspect, in my opinion.

[@fembot521]

Who drops their baby with an ear infection at a gym daycare? Couldn’t miss one day of pumping iron Terry?!

[@AngelAngel-wy5sd]

People who are selfish.

[@rachelnclark]

I thought the exact same thing

[@denisemarie3734]

Exactly that poor baby must have been screaming too! Ugh and the germs.

[@HELLINA-HANDBASKET]

@Jesus Christ Kyron's murdering stepmother

[@beanbag1415]

Leg day waits for no one.

[@eeriekekashi419]

I hope you're at peace where ever you're at Kyron, I'm sorry.

[@sammysabo]

❤️❤️❤️ god I want to cry my heart breaks for this poor baby

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

It's so heartbreaking. 💔💔💔

[@inassh8685]

😭

[@38JamieLee38]

Amen......

[@lauralishes1]

Terri is that you?

[@autumnmabis6998]

Remember when Mike said Terri told the school Kyron had a doc appointment that day? I believe she took him and his project to school, took pics, then told him he had a doc appointment. That way he'd go quietly and willingly. I believe it's not merely a coincidence that both she and her best friend have a 90 minute window that they can't account for. This is aggravating and heartbreaking 😡😞

[@jeanny4204]

26:28 it's like she's been prepared for. this question... her non existent expression when saying there is ped*phile in the area is so baffling... i mean the kid missing is some one she should have taken care of..

[@R.POWELL]

Yep !!!

[@passionsquietrage]

This is most likely what happened.

[@deborahbaker4770]

You could be right about everything that you said I think she took him somewhere so far away in some forest or something like that took his glasses away from him and knew what would happen and she didn’t have to do anything ‼️ I really hope I’m wrong 😑

[@TomCL-vb6xc]

@@herpaderp-bp4pe Key word there is “seemed”. The most frightening thing about true crime is that it is true and almost none of the people who commit horrific crimes ever “seem” like they could be capable of it. There could be a whole host of reasons, most likely the depression - which is a subject that needs to be talked about a lot more often - but it doesn’t change the obvious fact that she is involved.

[@tamsin1969]

I cant imagine losing my child and spending years not knowing where they are. Or years suspecting someone of doing them harm and watching that person walk. Im praying that little boy is found and laid to rest, and the case resolved. Painfully sad situation.

[@gman_7112]

Being from Oregon what's even sadder is they're still looking for him to this day... we still get updates on the search every once in a while on the news

[@themindhelp9584]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@B-Nana]

“Missing Kyron Horman” on Facebook stays updated on Kyron’s case. Since 2010.

[@themindhelp9584]

@@B-Nana 🥺🥺🥺

[@mylomayfield638]

I’m from Portland, I’m now 23… I remember when he went missing, I now live and Florida and I’m sad for buddy cus he should be almost 20 now :(

[@Heljhammack]

I live in Eugene and saw multiple missing posters for Kyron today. He would now be 18 which is probably why posters are going back up.

[@Pandagirl31001]

I live less than an hour from where Kyron was last seen and a lot of people in the area kind of collectively agree that Terri either did it herself or is otherwise responsible in a major way. He was only two years younger than me, he will be 19 this September 😩

[@lisa_9845]

What’s with that emoji bruh

[@DWQJVB]

Are you a suspect?

[@TahtahmesDiary]

It’s sad. He was really let down 💔

[@sagehall2061]

Today is his birthday. Happy birthday Kyron ❤️ the people will never stop searching.

[@kailansimeon4522]

Happy Belated 19th Birthday Kyron🎉🎉🎉

[@joycesmith8354]

These poor children killed by the people they love, it’s sickening. So sad.

[@schpeidermann]

He hasn't been killed...officially. There's a great chance he's alive. Edit: ok...it's not great. But it's there...

[@Chitownhomestead]

Dont think these peo love them...

[@feleciaclemons5074]

@@schpeidermann do you think he's playing " hide and seek"???

[@christopherbrasher433]

It is truly disgusting. I just don't understand how/why people do this to their children. I don't even like spanking my niece and nephew. I can't imagine being anything other than protective, and I just don't understand how people lose that protective instinct..

[@PtylerBeats]

schpeidermann “great chance?”

[@RavenTheElder]

I’m from Portland and was 13 when poor Kyron went missing…it’s the case that haunts me. I’ll never forget how hollow I felt, watching the billboards with Kyron’s sweet, smiling face age and tatter with time-further and further from being found…He went from a household name, talked about in assemblies across city schools, to a painful memory. I hope-even if it’s beyond hope-that Kyron’s whereabouts are uncovered. His family, and Kyron’s memory, deserve that closure.

[@thejudgmentalcat]

Everyone knows he's in those woods somewhere, probably in a ravine. So sad.

[@jamesfracasse8178]

Another fact is that since his stepmom is a fitness buff and could physically toss him into a ravine. Not to upset the family and others involved in the case, just staying the facts as presented. God bless that little boy and pray for his soul to be at rest and happy.

[@cherryvoid5238]

Sadly yes. If an adult body can sometimes fit in suitcases and he is a child... It's just heartbreaking. The mother probably has had to really restrain herself, I feel for her. Loss of a child and not knowing what happened is a level of hell no one should know.

[@vosaemify]

I hope the family will get some closure soon. So sad to have to live with that void.

[@MaxHarden]

Spoiler alert...

[@NANCO1999]

David Crowley Grey State

[@dontbotherme-asnc]

Kyron gets 10/10 from me for the awesome tree frog project. I know I would have learned loads from him about frogs!

[@sassylilbruja]

I know right?! I wanted to tell him how cool and well put together his lil tree frog project was. This case breaks my heart ☹ 💔

[@lunagoodhart5489]

I found it interesting & very telling that Terri in her Facebook post about Kyron's science project took credit for it herself.

[@CoExist64]

That’s so sweet Frances, people like you who make comments like this give me hope. God bless

[@dimitroulak.5295]

Your comment brought tears to my eyes.

[@restezlameme]

I wish I could give this comment hundreds of 👍

[@Rmadden727]

I’m telling you do the New Jersey David creato case. The case of a 22 year old father that killed his 3 year old son because his girlfriend didn’t want a boyfriend with a child. So he suffocated him and placed him in a river. This happened less than 7 years ago and he’s getting out in a few years. Even admitted to murder and copped a plea deal. It doesn’t get a lot of attention because the family hired lawyers and tried to shut down information on the son. Please I’m begging you. No one covers it.

[@angelnix6114]

Lol you have a funny name

[@MISTRESSVALO]

Is it David Creato or Brendan Creato? I was searching for that case and the only one that show up was a Brendan Creato. Is that the one you're talking about?

[@antonydrossos5719]

I could never understand people like that. Even though I only had partial custody, my daughter was always part of the deal. What kind of a woman doesn't want a man that's a responsible father, anyway?

[@DoraWinifred]

That’s disgusting I hope this comment gets more likes

[@MarcDufresneosorusrex]

@@angelnix6114 whooi zzz ahhhhhh Andrey the giant? .. it's funny...

[@Buckeye2043]

His last photograph ever taken is oddly terrifying with the csi shirt. What a handsome young man. Wherever you are little dude I hope you’re at peace and your family one day gets some closure.

[@mattkaustickomments]

The only mystery is how Terri has gotten away with it for so long.

[@tammybrinegar6617]

Ikr how?

[@bshiv9854]

This little boy needs to be brought home where ever he may be...

[@B-Nana]

Tick Tock TERRi… WHERE IS KYRON??!!

[@thixiemattel]

she’s the best suspect but still how do you bury a body in 90 minutes?

[@bshiv9854]

@@thixiemattel pre dug hole

[@suwaidajalal]

The location of that school is troubling. And no cameras. And a science fair where anyone can walk in. Made it real easy for Terri or any random predator.

[@Colonelhaydeemew]

Not sure if it’s an Oregon thing, but yeah usually during science fairs, or other school events aside from student dances, the doors are open and there’s no sign in. We usually have a security officer or two. But public schools are the only ones I have experience with, I’m sure private schools have bigger security budgets. Definitely a shame there is no CCTV, wish schools were able to include that in their budget.

[@suwaidajalal]

@@Colonelhaydeemew I think, at the very least, the guests should be provided with passes sent through the students. I'm sure there's a lot that can be done for security that doesn't require a big budget.

[@Colonelhaydeemew]

@@suwaidajalal Totally! I agree for sure, just when there's over a thousand kids, and then all their guests it can be a difficult to keep track of everyone. Skyline is in a very expensive area though where they pay really high property taxes, so the school is well funded, I am very surprised that the school had not included any security in their budget.

[@suwaidajalal]

@@Colonelhaydeemew Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Sadly, this event would probably have convinced the school of the need for better security.

[@missmee7210]

Oregon schools became way more strict and security cameras were installed in every school after this. Parents, and the community in general, were outraged at the lack of security. We all know it was Terri though.

[@DizzyedUpGirl]

I love how Mike cracked up reading those texts. He's usually so calm, even when he's making jokes, but he just could not hold that in.

[@isabellind1292]

That's the first time I've heard Mike crack up like that, hilarious...do you know what it means when Terry texted "I will show you how I can do a golf ball through a garden hose"... haha, I really don't know no matter how I try to visualize, lol?!

[@bmac1659]

Ha ha haha 😂 brilliant

[@ChrisAndCats]

@Mario I was just thinking that...

[@datman3416]

It was literally a slight giggle…

[@B-Nana]

Tick Tock TERRi.... WHERE IS KYRON??!!! Keep lookin over your shoulder.... living in Clearlake California and working in Ukiah... driving a green Dodge Challenger with a black stripe.... Tick Tock TERRi... WHERE IS KYRON??!! Keep an eye out if you drive Hwy 53

[@easley421]

I love how every EX bodybuilder goes off the deep end and just looks like actual shit when they stop.

[@rockstarofredondo]

They use drugs that make them crazy.

[@Nemacyst117]

When you stop working out, excess muscle turns into fat.

[@easley421]

@@Nemacyst117 Muscles shrink, fat accumulates. You don't convert one into the other.

[@kimberlymarino7344]

This case breaks my heart. His greatest fear was not finding his way home and he has been lost for 10 damn years! I believe the step mother had Kyron believing he had a doc appointment that day. They went set up his project. Did that bit then she told him she would take him and bring him back. He could leave his coat and bag because they wouldn't be long. She killed him and her friend having access to things like lime helped her put the body deep enough and covered enough that he won't be found. Most bodies are found because people don't take the time to bury it properly. If you have the tools and the time a body simply won't be found. The best friend and muscles the step mom could have prepared a grave prior for that matter. I hope that woman sees Kyron ever time she closed her eyes.

[@natb9919]

Did you mean "she had access to lime" or "time" because I'm wondering how lime helps you bury a body and keep it covered. Time makes more sense in context but maybe there's something I don't know about lime...? Also I think your theory of events makes a lot of sense.

[@kimberlymarino7344]

@@natb9919 people cover bodies with lime to cut down on the smell and I think it may speed up decomposition. If she dug a proper grave and dumped lime on top he wouldn't be found

[@natb9919]

@@kimberlymarino7344 oh wow you learn something new everyday! Thanks for clarifying.

[@kimberlymarino7344]

@@natb9919 my pleasure.

[@onedaynoreason2572]

If I were his mother and had no other children I would... "take" Terri and pry the answers out of her. Physically. Then she could disappear like my son did. If she didn't talk then maybe I would accept the years in jail for ... hurting someone, and let her live but... man Terri is evil. Did you see her smile THREE times in the press conference, DUPERS' DELIGHT

[@whatabouttheearth]

Suspected: Dissapearence of step son. Suspected: hiring hitman to kill ex husband. Suspected: hiring hitman to kill ex boyfriend. Arrested: stealing a firearm. Arrested: stealing a car. Innocent until proven guilty, I get it...but gawd damn.

[@wlg2677]

As if a hispanic landscaper is the best hitman around. Crazy hag.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Ridiculous indeed.

[@burntblonde2925]

It seems obvious doesn’t it? I hope karma catches her.

[@roxannemoser]

Now, a man with a white pickup truck took Kyron. I swear, she has more excuses than teenagers give to ditch school.

[@bobvoorhees9402]

Another good one ,it does seem she did it and then the hiring of a hit man W T F Why couldn’t they put her in jail at least for a a few yrs for some of the crap she did

[@coll4455]

My heart goes out to Kyrons mom. My god to just never see your child again. I have a 15 month old and the thought of anything like this legit kills me.

[@benhartart9487]

You can only do so much, lots of sicko’s out there that could take your 15 month old

[@Angelofloveandhappiness]

I can't believe Terry said a man in a WHITE TRUCK was at a store and asked her where's the nearest school. So he just happened to drive a white truck and happened to ask the step mom of the child he ended taking? No. What a liar

[@lucyalexander3607]

Her baby has an ear infection and she driving around all these places and going to the gym?

[@PtylerBeats]

I dont think that’s the most suspicious part of this case lol nor do I think it’s suspicious in general.

[@LynnAgain83]

Seems like an A1 mom! ;/ Not

[@I3uttermilk]

@@PtylerBeats where did lucy say that her actions were suspicious?

[@kimberlygagnon-rix-sletten1443]

I would be so worried when my kids had severe painful ear infections!! I'm sorry but I couldn't leave them when they needed momma the most!!!

[@wendywarrior2264]

Especially mountainous roads where the child’s ears may hurt worse???

[@bonniemagpie5166]

What made me cringe was seeing Terri's arm wrapped around Kyron's mum.

[@coinopmagic887]

I felt nauseous seeing that and the way she leaned in to say something to her.

[@B-Nana]

MONSTER!!!

[@susangilliam6400]

ugh

[@kathysmotherman2515]

Did you catch Desiree's body language on that ?? It was so obviously fake on Terri's part

[@monique5248]

Oh I was just going to post that very thing! It made me sick when Terri leaned her head on kyrons moms shoulder. She looked so guilty in doing that and it was written all over her face!

[@BatsuOhno]

So basically she walked him into school, set up his project, took photos for an alibi, immediately took him back out because he had to go to his "dr.'s appointment" , scooped her friend and ...well...yeah

[@pinkpugginz]

The police have exonerating evidence that they have never released to the public. I believe she is innocent. Someone on reddit did a deep dive in depth analysis on the whole case and hD a very convincing argument. There was no time for her to hurt him and dispose of his body. The cops tracked her phone and every move. They tried over and over to prove it was her and failed. They know it wasn't her. He would have been found. Terry raised Kyron from an infant. He wasn't some random step kid. She had NO MOTIVE either. Think of Leticia Stauch. The way she commited that crime. This would have ended up the same way. Terry didnt try to trick phone gps or leave it at home. I could go on and on

[@josecifuentes881]

@@pinkpugginz also believe she's innocent, not the best human being but have watched allot of documentaries of this and is kind of impossible for her to have killed him and disapeared the body.

[@DD-d6d3]

@@pinkpugginz ITA. There's a rush to judgment because people want *someone* to pay. But the time line doesn't add up to her doing it. The police let people believe she's under suspicion because they effed up.

[@staceysteele7128]

pinkpugginz What about Terri telling the teacher he had a Dr's appt that day when he actually DID NOT?? Why'd she set that lie up?? To allay suspicion in the morning (so that teacher0s would not be alarmed that he was gone all of a sudden!!) Did you conveniently forget that Terri talked to at least one other person about HATING Kyron?? She blamed him for her own son being kicked out by Kain.....and come on, just because she "helped raise him" that doesn't mean shit!!! It's more often than not someone close to a murder victim who kills them!! and on and on. I think within the next decade something will happen to give the investigators enough evidence to charge the crazy bitch

[@CandyKoRn]

@@pinkpugginz Yeah, I don't think she did it either. I do wonder who did though, as he loved school and was excited about his science project, he'd not leave willingly.

[@christinamoller4342]

It seems strange to me that two grown women would "not like Kyron." He was a 7-year old boy! What could he have done to deserve a hit?!

[@meghan111510]

Exactly. He was a CHILD. How in the hell do you dislike a 7 year old like that as a grown adult?

[@Kisha_can]

For real. I've met kids that can be a little rude or even obnoxious, but how warped do you have to be to think about murdering them?

[@yunglynda1326]

he is(was?) such a little cutie pie... what's not to love😥

[@carlosue5472]

There is no evidence that they didn’t like him. None. Desiree made it up.

[@craigcahill2242]

look at her at the press conference when they are all together, wearing the t-shirts.....no tears...just fake emotion

[@Oraerilla]

And putting Gn her head on bio mom was so manipulative and fake

[@TobeyFairre7861]

You have an incredibly bingeable channel my dude!

[@2Drezik]

I agree, been binging the shit out of it lately

[@JTKatz07]

That mother killed him with the old “he has a doctors appointment” and she took those photos and uploaded them to Facebook intentionally. Too suspicious

[@MadameCirce]

Agreed. This was premeditated murder.

[@Dec15baby]

Step mother

[@RKrk-jj2li]

I agree. she must have left with him before he supposedly went into math class but wouldn't someone or s camera catch this?

[@28KKaann]

@@Dec15baby og mothers can do the same...,

[@PtylerBeats]

Uploading pictures to Facebook is suspicious? That’s generally what any parent would do lol

[@SisterSherryDoingStuff]

I live in Portland Oregon and have never forgot about Kyron. Terri was basically run out of town. No one believed her...including myself. What I don't understand is, within 90 minutes, Kyron could only be in a small area: Why can't they find him? My hope for the family is they find Kyron. It's been almost 12 years. This still and always will, break my heart.

[@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206]

I'm in the Salem area. Which is why I wanted to watch this! I was hoping the case was finally resolved and I'd just missed it somehow. 😢

[@uhoh2017]

I moved to Portland the day he went missing. I will never ever forget him. We love you Kyron.

[@SisterSherryDoingStuff]

@@uhoh2017 💔

[@MB-jq1wc]

This is heartbreaking. My son went missing. He was found safe within a couple of hours, but it was the most terrible afternoon of my life. I can't even begin to imagine the torment these parents have gone through.

[@lumenpierce8583]

I know what you mean. My cat went missing once and I completely freaked out, I started hyperventilating and almost puked because I was so upset. Luckily I found her within half an hour. I can’t even (and don’t want to) imagine having a child go missing...

[@julesasher105]

I can’t imagine. I remember my parent’s lost me in a crowd as a child for ten minutes and my Mom was inconsolable. She said it felt like 10 hrs. And I know it’s not the same, but my dog ran off a few weeks ago and I felt my whole world caving in. I burst into tears when he ran towards me after twenty minutes. Loss and be unknown is horrific. Prayers to this family.

[@steventapia3546]

Where was he

[@noeleen5250]

I was in a clothes shop the other day and because I am in a wheelchair and down low I saw a child hiding under a clothes rack. I whispered to him laughing if he was playing hide and seek and he said no I can't find my mam and I am scared. Obviously I told him to come with me and we would get her. The look of terror on his mothers face will haunt me, Imagine feeling that way for months or years. He had been gone 10 minutes and there had been announcements on the tannoy but I had ear phones in and hadn't heard it, and those who had, couldn't see him because he was hiding.. Stuff like that terrifies me, what if he had stayed hiding (because he had been told not to speak to strangers,) seems the fact I was in a wheelchair made him feel safe enough to talk to me.

[@Rose_Ou]

My son went missing for a very short time when he was 2 and I'd rather die than experience that kind of fear ever again. This is the worst thing a person can ever go through. I feel so sorry for every parent who lost their child.

[@sheilabailey6546]

I live on Sauvie island. I have been looking for Kyron ever since I moved here 6 years ago. There are a couple of places where it would be easy to hide a body. Poor little guy needs to go back to his parents.

[@justnikole6476]

I thought they said there’s only one way on the island, and that the security/security cameras didn’t catch her?

[@roseclemons]

What if she switched cars to drive over the bridge??

[@jordancrane4007]

@@roseclemons her best friend definitely seems involved, they could've even went back to the friends place and switched cars there so I feel like it's a possibility

[@rebeccan7276]

I'm from the area and a little older than Kyron would be. Sometimes my friends and I hike around and just look for anything... places we can see the cell tower from, etc. it could definitely ping from the roads and forests on the other side of the river and HWY 30, the river shore... I really feel he has to be somewhere in that area. Maybe not on the island but nearby, and people here are not going to give up or forget any time soon.

[@B-Nana]

@@rebeccan7276 we will NEVER give up on bringing Kyron home. 💛

[@basshed-pe2826]

Cried, as soon as you said his biggest fear was, not being able to find his way home. I can't imagine,

[@GemmaJadeYT]

bass hed-pe omg me too!! I just immediately teared up. And you know, the step mother would’ve know that too!! Like, she could’ve not even killed him, just injured him and left him far as all hell away so he couldn’t get home!! (Then again, I’m sure eventually he’d have been found then). Poor baby and can you imagine how the father feels right now? Maybe like this woman was only IN his son’s life bc of him. (Although it isn’t his fault though). Omg idk how these parents deal with this....

[@whaleoilbeefhooked663]

@@GemmaJadeYT you are so right. Stories like this are the reason that when I split with my husband and my children were young I would never date.

[@Jacob-df5hr]

It reads like the tragic setup to a ghost story

[@GemmaJadeYT]

Julie 2471 omg I so agree girl!! I mean, this isn’t just a one off case. Little Gannon S. (Idk how to spell last name but I’m sure if you’re on this channel you’re aware who I mean!) if you even google it you will see romantic partners/step parents killing their step children ALL THE TIME!! I can’t even imagine hating a child that much or being so angry with my husband I took it out on an innocent child. I just don’t understand it. And if my husband and I ever separated I doubt I would date again for a very long time, at least seriously bc I have a two year old.. one that’s very close to his mama and it’s disgusting but I’d have to worry about jealousy over my own toddler!! The only hope I see at the end of these horrific stories is that, wether justice is handed out on this earth, in this lifetime or not, we ALL must face God’s judgement one day. Nobody can hide from Him and nobody gets a free pass.... I hope Terri and her friend who seems very much to be here accomplice come to Jesus soon. Just let these parents have their boy back, however they’ll be receiving him. God bless!

[@GemmaJadeYT]

Jacob exactly!! There’s a couple stories I’ve seen recently where the woman or girl (bc the ones I’m referring to like 3 or 4 of them they were all female) and one of them had a terrible fear of going out at night bc she was afraid of getting abducted, as a teenager she did get abducted right outside her home and was never seen again. Another one was terrified of the dark bc she feared “a stalker she couldn’t see” and sure enough... you guessed it!! Crazy!! I wonder if there’s some kind of lifelong foreboding or intuition at play here... in stories like this!

[@kathleensmith644]

Sounds like a really good mother who leaves her child who has an ear infection that is bad enough to need medication in child care centre whilst she indulges in the gym. I would be suspicious right away.

[@jacksmedullaoblongata7659]

That hit me HARD when I heard it!! I was thinking she's a selfish b**** as well as a psychopath

[@bellyfulochelly4222]

Right? That jumped right out at me. Yuck.

[@sarahreid9557]

All bacterial ear infections need medication a/k/a antibiotics. Once the antibiotics hit along with some Tylenol, they're much more comfortable and can resume normal activities. Heck, even some kids aren't that phased by ear infections. It's not suspicious to me.

[@noanswer531]

@@sarahreid9557your reading comprehension is pretty terrible

[@MsLucyJayne]

Also bad enough that she had to drive her around on back-country roads for 90 minutes to soothe her, but then drops her off at cild care!

[@RyanBuskirk]

I appreciate how this guy clearly doesn't give a single crap about being demonitized.

[@AmyJ739]

Most true crime is demonitized that's why they set up patreons and need sponsors as I know alot of research goes into each video, Mike & Bailey are my favourites 🙏❤

[@gingerpunk2129]

@@AmyJ739 True, but afaik Mike doesn't have a Patreon account (if he does, point me in the right direction). He does do sponsorships from time to time, but it's incredible how he doesn't rely on them and still makes awesome videos. I respect the hell out of Mike. In contrast, Top 5 Unknowns covers a lot of true crime cases and they go out of their way to carefully write their script to avoid demonetization (example: the victim "lost her life" vs "was murdered"). They upload recycled, poorly researched videos every day with ads inserted every 2 minutes. Their content is horrible and makes me appreciate That Chapter so much more.

[@AmyJ739]

@@gingerpunk2129 he does check out his description on this video 👍😁

[@gingerpunk2129]

@@AmyJ739 Oh cool, thank you!

[@VideoServicesVB]

KZbin didn't have money at the beginning. People post videos to inform our simply to entertain. Not everyone is about greed.

[@tabby73]

10+ years after Kyron's disappearance we really need that hiker or dog walker now so the family can get closure. Poor lil chap was so proud and excited that day 😢 Heartbreaking

[@Voodoorai]

Hikers and dog walkers are the true hero's in missing person cases. And that poor old lady that came across bodies on 2 separate occasions because Stephen Port was leaving them there, should have the government pay for all the therapy she (and her dog) are ever going to need.

[@mrs.snyder2170]

Terri totally did it, and then went on to commit more crimes & looks more crazed and disturbed, now, than ever. She’s living with a guilty conscience & got away with murder. I’m praying she is brought to justice! Poor little Kyron 💔

[@peternolan4107]

I believe she did it, but I doubt she has a guilty conscience. Some people don't even know what that means because they have never experienced it. They have no empathy for anyone but themselves.

[@switchbladekid57]

And you base this on what, exactly? What other crimes do you allege that she committed.

[@LaymanGamin]

She’s innocent as of now 10YEARS after. So we’re u getting ur info from

[@cyberspelunker1980]

@@LaymanGaminsure, okay. 😂

[@AC-ze1nh]

The restraint it must take for Kyron's parents not to go after Terry themselves. My heart goes out to them and I hope they find their little boy some day. Poor child deserved so much better.

[@betsyj59]

It's awful that he wasn't sent to live with his mother and the stepfather he liked so much. The father knew his wife was emotionally unstable and I'm sure he knew she didn't particularly like his son - he should have sent that son to the mother. What a damn shame.

[@joannemurdock7899]

@@betsyj59 well said 💙🙏

[@scottn322]

As a local to this case, it just utterly baffles me as to how this case was not solved. There was so much going for the case, so many breadcrumbs and clues to follow, and there is a very clear suspect in this case, yet almost zero movement has been made (at least as far as the public knows) in all of that time. It blows my mind. Where the hell is Kyron? Where is he, Terri? Where is he??

[@douceurdevivre9]

Yep. It still amazes me that it hasn’t been solved. :(

[@monkiesngoosies56]

Yes! It always blew my mind that they could never find him.

[@isaacguard4323]

I'm a local as well, and this was so sad when it took place. For a full year that had Kyron on the news every day. Never to be found or seen.

[@zuverzagmail]

Maybe Terri blew the detectives???

[@reharp2037]

Scott N I don’t know if they searched any other forests other than forest park, but there’s a lot of forest and mountains to the west of the area. Not even 40 minutes out and you could pull off to a trailhead, go off trail a ways and dump a body there. It would never be found.

[@coll4455]

The fact that one of his fears was not being able to find his way home. Legit broke my heart it’s like he knew one day he would never come home

[@inassh8685]

Hope he does.. I know that bitch killed him, but i hope they find him and bring him home to his mama 😭😭😭

[@Obsessed_With_Corgis]

@@inassh8685 The stepmom saying “there are a lot of pedophiles in the area” brought another horrible possibility to mind- she could have sold/given him away to a pedo she previously arranged plans with. I used to volunteer at a center for human trafficking victims (my city of Atlanta is unfortunately a major hub for this), and you wouldn’t *believe* how many victims were sold/given away by their own family members. It’s utterly heartbreaking. If that’s the case; I hope he is found and given the help he needs to heal.

[@inassh8685]

@@Obsessed_With_Corgis Oh my God! This is horrifying! Thank you for the work you did! I believe this world needs so many heroes coz the villains don't seem to get any fewer 😔 I sure hope no child would suffer in any kind of way 🌷

[@emmicah7720]

I've seen a lot of cases that are decades old being solved lately. I'm hoping and praying that his is solved soon too. My heart hurts for him, his mother, father, and step-father. My son is a little older than him and idk what I'd do if he were to go missing 💔 may that family, and Kyron, be given justice soon.

[@erikd4634]

Its pretty clear who did it.. makes me shudder, considering I'm a single Father. You cant trust anyone with your children. I dont get how people can let things like this happen..

[@red2846]

This was exactly why I was a single mom for as long as I was! This poor Mom and Dad...

[@cherryvoid5238]

@@red2846 you made the right decision. It's just not worth it, wish more parents were this aware.

[@christinefredricksen8743]

This is why I have been a single mom since my divorce over ten years ago.

[@chellefell1331]

I refuse to date anyone until my son is older....

[@williss1192]

It was clearly the Step-Mom. Never rely on the person you got cheated with. Real mother should had focus on him or switch babysitters after the surgery. Man it hurts. I hope justice comes quickly. I mean Mike even said Terri relationship with the kid wasn't good so why were they still together?

[@keithdevlin1]

*Finds out his wife tried to have him killed* Kaine Horman: "Must have been that postpartum depression!" *Or maybe she just hated you with an incandescent passion*

[@nickbuis3307]

Postpartum is real, it could be both hate and postpartum.

[@tanner8324]

C C C COMBO!

[@christopherbrasher433]

@@nickbuis3307 Yeah, postpartum depression is very real, and it is a rough thing for mothers to deal with, but it's often used as a reason to justify sh*t like this. I would imagine that millions of women suffer from it, but they're not all running around, killing people they "love". The ones that do are psychos and they blame it on the postpartum depression as a way to justify their disgusting actions. They just want a bit of sympathy, so that's what they go with.

[@christopherbrasher433]

@Jason M I have no idea what she had, I'm just talking about it in general. You see it everytime some psycho piece of crap kills their children. They just use it as a scape goat.. If it she was BPD, then that's definitely not an excuse either..There are some mental illnesses that can drive someone to murder, but BPD isn't one of them.

[@christopherbrasher433]

@Jason M All of those dang steroids she was shooting into her body may have something to with it..Nah, not for real, but that trick is definitely using some roids. That ol' blocky, caveman looking head is a dead giveaway, lol

[@lovethatdirtywater78]

This channel is singlehandedly getting me through quarantine, it feels like. So glad I discovered it! Thank you for the content!

[@CallumDowney]

Have to agree look forward to new vids every Tues and Friday and always fun watching older vids again before bed.

[@pamsteffgen1521]

Right??

[@abeabeification]

I only found this channel a couple months back and i'm already up to date!

[@1989Ezal]

As quarantine is so hard.. Not even people in prison cry so much.

[@extremeking425]

im sorry but who asked?

[@veldubonnet5963]

The Mom is a class act. So poised yet tenacious in an understated way. Unimaginable situation😢

[@scorpionteeth6160]

His fear of not being able to find his way home is heartbreaking.

[@wildes5112]

She did it. The fact that she's running around free is horrendous.

[@jamimazada7428]

Thats what made leticia kill gannon. If she can do it, leticia can do it too

[@Jokertuning]

Well polygraphs are armissable but when the friend went out and bought burner phones that should a been a red flag

[@alonbuchs]

Yap, horrendous. Why can't murderers just kill other murderers?

[@AutomaticDuck300]

In the interview at the end, she says "The police don't have any evidence against me", not "I'm innocent". She definitely did it.

[@Buhleep]

and people are literally in these comments defending her it's super gross.

[@carolann811]

This sounds really bad and negative - but I hope there comes a day when there are no longer videos like this. Not specifically because you, Mike, post them. What you do is important. But because it's entirely beyond my comprehension sometimes that kids just of missing and no one knows where they went. How can someone just kill a child? Or harm them? It is sometimes beyond my comprehension.

[@ABRAsylum]

Humans have been murdering each other for tens of thousands of years. It's not something that will just go away, lol. There will always be murderers.

[@carolann811]

@@ABRAsylum Well, of course they have. I'm not that naïve. It's the depraved indifference and cruelty to children that saddens me.

[@jayboley9683]

Calling the school and asking if she could pick up the science project after school? C'mon now of course you can why wouldn't you be able to? She just was feeling out of anyone even knew he was missing since she hadn't gotten the normal call for an absent child. She's definitely guilty

[@lilkcceleb]

I went to school with his cousin and we reconnected years after we graduated. The whole family has always suspected the stepmom did something to him. Sad.

[@pamelamorris3148]

Except Kaine and the LE.

[@B-Nana]

@@pamelamorris3148 Kaine 100% KNOWS TERRi is responsible for WHATEVER happened to Kyron.

[@Lolserus]

yeah me too i went to school with his mum and she benched me

[@cottagelife-NL]

When 3 separate witnesses say she left the school with Kyron but she still walks free!! Where is the justice for that little boy!

[@hunterbiden7391]

I’m glad we don’t live in Leona’s world. Eyewitness accounts and people in general are extremely fallible. More evidence is needed.

[@KawaiiKasai]

It's crazy how many That Chapter cases I've seen where they've locked people up on alot less evidence.

[@johnnyblack3676]

@@hunterbiden7391 Right, it's not completely obvious the step mom is guilty.

[@switchbladekid1365]

Really? I wonder why the police didn't impound and search her car. Could it be that there were actually no witnesses? I've never heard them named.

[@B-Nana]

KYRON’s own busdriver was one of the adult witnesses!!!!

[@karen-dh8dp]

This grabs my heart - just a parents' worst fear and I pray for Kyron and hope some peace can be found but I don't know how anyone lives without their child and not knowing where he is.

[@LoucheWoman]

Kinda surprised she was described as an unlikely suspect - step-parents are common abusers and worse of step-kids.

[@sarahreid9557]

Except there is no evidence that she abused Kyron. She helped raise him from infancy.

[@cdes1776]

You said a mouthful!

[@IratePuffin]

Makes sense that she took him to the school for the science fair then left with him for the dr appt she told the teacher about. She and her friend 100% know what happened to him!!!

[@nightowl8622]

Yup, and then posting pictures of him at the science fair to create an alibi for herself. I hope there’s a break in the case soon and Mike does an update video.

[@GarnetRose30]

@@nightowl8622 exactly what I was thinking. If you look at her mouth during the parent speeches she looks contemptuous for the situation/Kyron and can only try to fake sadness with her eyes. And then she went to the bustop with the little one and her husband to make her seem more innocent. Plus she lept at the opportunity to create a story and villain to disrupt the investigation, the ridiculousness of it going right over Terri's head bc she was probs too excited and focused on covering her tracks

[@CATNAPREAL1188]

YES ! ONE OF THE NEWS CHANNELS AT THAT TIME SHOWED HER FRIEND'S HOUSE ; AROUND THE GARAGE AREA. IN THAT BROAD CAST THE NEWS SHOWED ON FILM CINDER/ CONCRETE BLOCKS. MY MIND, HEART & SOUL JUMPED TO MY THROAT & I COULDN'T BREATH OR SWALLOW ! I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT BUT IN MY MIND I SAW WHAT I'D HAVE TO SAY WAS LIKE A FOGGY DREAM - BUT AWAKE. I SAW KYRON BEING DROPPED OVER THE EDGE OF THE SAUVIE ISLAND BRIDGE WITH A ROPE TIED AROUND HIS LITTLE NECK. I'D * NEVER * HAD ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN TO ME BEFORE THAT OR SINCE THEN. BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A STRANGE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ME I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FORGET IT OR HIM. THROUGH THE YEAR'S I'VE NOW PICTURED HIS LITTLE BONES SCATTERED BY THE RIVER & THE OTHER ELEMENTS UNDER WATER. I'VE WONDERED IF THE DIVER'S THAT HAVE LOOKED FOR HIM WERE CAPABLE OF SEEING JUST ODD, UNIQUE BONES, AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BODY. THAT WOULD BE MY NATURAL INSTINCT, WOULD TO INITIALLY LOOK FOR A BODY. TO HAVE TO LOOK FOR LITTLE BONES OR A TINY HEAD TIED TO A BLOCK IS UNTHINKABLE ! BUT OBVIOUSLY ** TERRY * TAKES THE CAKE AS THE TOP OF THE EVIL HEAP !! SHE'S COMMITTED THE MURDER OF A CHILD & COMPLETELY GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT. MY HEART & PRAYER'S GO TO HIS PARENT'S & MY OTHER PRAYER'S GO FOR FINDING THE EVIDENCE TO CONVICT * TERRY * & I'D LIKE TO SEE HER GET THE DEATH PENALTY ! SINCERELY, H.P. 🙏 & ✌️

[@GarnetRose30]

@@CATNAPREAL1188 if you dont know the channel Adventures With Purpose you should check them out. The most recent case they are working is kyron. They've previously cleared the main lake and were scanning local water spots. Also a decomposed body may not show up on sonar/radar esp if it's a child's. It would show up as a white circle (the skull) even if the skeleton is still intact, so divers would investigate it. Also also, jsyk all caps on the internet usually means one is yelling/being very aggressive. If u type in all lowercase instead it's easier to read as well 😁

[@CATNAPREAL1188]

@@GarnetRose30 HI HONEY THANKS BUT I AM AWARE OF THAT. WHAT OTHER'S SHOULD MAYBE TRY TO REMEMBER IS THAT SOME OF US WITH EYE SIGHT PROBLEMS, IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO SEE AS I TYPE. IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO READ IF OTHER'S TEXT IN ALL CAP'S. HOWEVER I AM UNAWARE OF WHOEVER MADE THAT * RULE * I KNOW THAT THEY DID NOT THINK OF * ALL * OF US. I HOPE THAT THIS HELPS YOU TO BE JUST A LITTLE MORE AWARE & A LITTLE MORE THOUGHTFUL ! I YOU TAKE CARE, STAY SAFE. SINCERELY,H.P. 🙏 & ✌️

[@OdintheGermanShepherd]

I’ve become a big fan of this channel. Awesome content

[@niknak8340]

Same here

[@mnmlCy]

Same 🥴

[@genesisosuna]

Same

[@maryallison0509]

I agree!!!! I just started watching this channel earlier this past week. Mike and his maroon Henley. I'm really enjoying these try crimes. I just find this stuff interesting.

[@konpekinogomi]

Aye. I was binging on his vids startijg last night

[@MissAkj]

"One of his fears was being unable to find his way home. Well, hopefully one day he will." Wow. dude. Got me in the feels.

[@gina4808]

She wasn’t even looking at the camera answering those questions. Her history and those text messages show she ain’t all there. That story makes no sense either, “a sketchy guy asked where the nearest school is” sure, okay

[@MrBeenReadyy]

This episode taught me never to commit murder or Mike will read logs of your Sext for half a million people.

[@katybug6572]

Lmao tru.. 😂 🤦‍♀️

[@bitterellaselectricgroove8544]

🤣

[@camkraw893]

Lmfao

[@lanaegun41020]

Look at that evil woman putting her arm around Kyron's mom. Whispering to her. Comforting her. Makes me feel sick.

[@beverlyhall228]

I saw that too. Don't touch me witch!

[@frankpost62]

At 25:35 you see that she is acting.

[@Amanda-yx5xm]

It was hard to watch. I’m sure Kyrons mother had her concerns then.

[@doobnoob8491]

@@Amanda-yx5xm she sure did! She went on an interview to say that it was weird to have her ex husband's new wife (that he had been cheating on her with) wrap her arm around her & try to comfort her. Ewww

[@VideoServicesVB]

I was looking at that lineup. Trying to figure who was guilty. I picked her before I even knew the story. Because it was near the beginning of Mike's video. You can just look at someone.

[@BeautyWithThorns]

I think she told the teachers and him he had a dr appointment. That’s why he left with her expecting to come back to school afterwards. The friend is involved.

[@arianavilleda159]

I was in the 3rd grade in Beaverton, Oregon the year he went missing. I remember my school and every car had his face plastered on it. We held an assembly to discuss safety and his disappearance. My school started a much more strict attendance/pick up/drop off routine. It weighed heavy on my whole 3rd grade class for the entire rest of the year. You did such a great job explaining his story 🥲

[@sarahillingworth9257]

Terri is guilty. It's plain as day. Like Kyron's mum said, "I can tell you what I had to eat that day but she can't remember what she did?"

[@JamesFromTexas]

I couldn't tell you what I ate this morning let alone what I did yesterday. At least not on the first try. But then again mTBI/PTSD is a hell of a mind sweeper.

[@haveabanana2930]

I agree with you. For when something tragic or terribly scary happens, no doubt you remember every detail. It's the happy times, the normal everyday things that are usually forgot, sadly. My heart hurts for that mother.

[@williss1192]

Yeah what makes it more suspicious is that she never cooperated with the police

[@Igelme]

@@JamesFromTexas you would remember if your son dissapeared that same day

[@hbgkev]

The issue is this, and people really need to learn that: The police are not your friend, they are not your friend when you are guilty and they are not your friend when you are innocent.. they are your friend when you are the victim of a crime. Police sole purpose is to give the DA or as in Sweden "Åklagaren" enough evidence to close the case. There are numerous cases where exonorating evidence are not presented for the reason of a conviction.. and it's absolutley unacceptable. I dont know if she is innocent or not.. The only thing I know is at the moment, as an innocent the coppers begin to show interest in me, I would cease all cooperation. Not becuase i'm guilty but because I don't want to serve anything that in hindsight could be scewed to pin me for something I had not done. Just look at the case with the cop that they claimed murder his whole family, incorrect conviction. He was a cop and cooperated. David Camm is his name Just go make a google search "Wrongful conviction in the US". And please do remember.. that those are only the ones we know about :) We have had the same issue in Sweden on a numerous occations, with total misshaps and misscarriages of justice. The police find someone that could've done it and then they close in.. It's their job.

[@lisakaye5763]

If a child is absent, our school calls home by 10 am. That way there's no one missing all day.

[@carolv8450]

My daughters high school does.

[@foodreviewlover4552]

That's true in Australia we get notified via txt or the school calls us

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

They said that the reason why the school didn't call home was because Terry had told the school he had a doctor's appointment that day. The appointment was actually for the following week.

[@obfuscateification]

Our district goes even further. If a child is missing from school, the school tries to contact the parents. If the school is unable to speak with a parent/guardian, the police are called and they do a welfare check at the home. If no one is home, the police then send out an APB on the parents and child. Apparently, there was a hostage situation at one time with a family bring held. The family was killed and the school felt that if they had tried harder, the family could have been saved. Madison, Wi.

[@eviejohnson7239]

@@PassTheMarmalade1957 my school even if you have an appointment they still call, they just don’t mark you absent

[@TinyGhosty]

The eyewitness testimonies of three people seeing Kyron leave with Terri should of had a lot more impact on the case. This case seemed mismanaged from the beginning. They tried way too hard to pin her for hiring a hitman instead of trying to collect evidence that she abducted her step son. If she didn't get tipped off they might of been able to collect evidence from her conversations with her friend/possible accomplice.

[@patricialessard8651]

The bus driver said at the beginning that he didn't get off the bus. Then for a book he comes up to say he saw her with him. Gee, did he get paid?

[@jeremysmetana8583]

Those are likely invented "memories" told to the lady writing the book. Note the cops didn't seem to have that information at the outset. That's likely because those people didn't see what they are saying they did. I'm not saying the stepmom didn't leave with the kid; it's most likely she did, given the circumstance. What I am saying is that those people have likely invented memories over time, or warped their memories of events, to suit what the lady writing the book was asking them. Any FBI agent will tell you that human beings are the worst possible witnesses. We warp our memories to suit our own importance to a story, or to fit a narrative some important person (such as an author or celebrity or lawyer) is feeding us. Yes, there are incompetent police forces around, but one that has actual witnesses that saw the perp leaving with the victim and don't arrest that person right away would be exceedingly rare. They didn't because those people did not come forward to them at the time, but to the author of the book, years later. They are simply not credible.

[@AmbientShades]

@@jeremysmetana8583 She said it was in the initial police reports. That's not people remembering something years later, that's police not following clear leads or doing their job. Everything about this case points to the stepmother. She dumped his body in the water off that island. She set the whole damned thing up with the doctor's appointment. If it had been the stepfather or father who was last person seen with the kid he would have been arrested and charged immediately.

[@natanyaparsons8491]

In just about every true crime case I've ever listened to and researched, police almost always fudge it all up. Either due to incompetence, or worse, on purpose.

[@nibordiabla7493]

@@jeremysmetana8583 the police cannot just arrest someone solely based off of a witness statement. They have to have to have other corroborating evidence in order to build a solid case. Also you are wrong about these witnesses coming forward later. He clearly said that those witness statements came in early on in the case, and that they were brought to light again when the author researched this case for her book.

[@powerfully_confident1739]

My God, I really believe Terri murdered her stepson. My heart aches for little Kyron and their family. I pray they receive justice.🥺😔

[@shadygirlxoxo]

3 credible witnesses saw Terri leave the school with Kyron that day, but she still hasn’t been charged?!?!?!?!

[@bonorbitz]

Yep. And why did the author call that "circumstantial evidence" when it's eyewitness testimony?

[@GrimDrive]

@@bonorbitz Probably because eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate. The memory tends to make up and insert details that weren’t actually there. I don’t know for sure though.

[@ginagina9592]

I agree. ESPECIALLY because the teacher marked him absent because he never attended the beginning of class.

[@huginug]

Innocent people have been charged and imprisoned when courts used to base decisions on eyewitness testimony. There have been cases where witnesses claim to have seen victims even though later it turns out they were already dead, so what did those people see? the mind is unreliable. It's enough for people to believe someone is guilty and your mind will find a way to relate everything to prove they're guilty, even if they're not. All of these people in the comments screaming that they KNOW she killed him are proof of how flawed the human mind is. We don't know anything. She might be at fault, she might not be, depending on how we interpret the facts. For example, if Kyron really did have seizures that made him disoriented, he could've wandered off and been taken. Also, that's a big assumption that when you kill someone, especially a child, your best friend will be just as sick minded as you and just jump to help you cover it up and put their own ass on the line for you like that - that to me sounds unlikely and illogical. Also, what sort of a criminal mastermind Terri has to be that she managed to pull off a perfect crime and hide a body in less than an hour? Those are just some of the questions I have that shows to me we can't be sure 100% that she did it. That's why evidence is important and that's why she can't get charged, it would just be a waste of time and if she was guilty, that would let her get away with it. Let's just wait for this case to get solved some day.

[@mirimiriela480]

@@bonorbitz It's called circumstantial evidence because it points to her potentially being the only person in contact with him, who would've had the access needed to kill him. It's not *direct* evidence of her killing him--direct evidence would be an eyewitness who saw her kill him, or a videotape of her killing him. Any evidence short of direct evidence is considered circumstantial evidence.