The New Batman Show: Is It Really THAT Bad?

[@szabok1999]

The creators literally said that they made Penguin female because Batman's rogue gallery lacks interesting female characters. Yup. The people entrusted with a Batman show accused BATMAN of all characters of having no good female villains. Do they even know Batman???

[@Narcolepzi]

@@szabok1999 They also said “No memorable villains”… while Batman has literally the MOST memorable villains out of any comic book hero

[@szabok1999]

@@Narcolepzi Right. And while we're at at, Green Arrow lacks a bow, and Captain America lacks a shield...

[@ShadmehR_23]

Why penguin?? in Arkham games they turned copperhead into a female... and that's my favorite take on copperhead ever! when changing something you don't have to change an established character, why don't change poison ivy to a. Man then?? Its dumb. They changed copperhead and becuz they didn't have any agenda that was great.. Thats what im saying.. They could've used that same character..

[@samuraijackoff5354]

​@@ShadmehR_23 As a young teen playing origins, Copperhead awoken something new in me.

[@emilianotype-g6877]

Poison ivi , catwoman

[@AgentNibbles]

I had a girl friend recently on Twitter ask why they couldn't just make an original character like how the 90s series made Harley Quin and the Phantasm. The funniest fucking thing I seen in a while, one of the show runners vaguely implied she was being "sexist" and it quickly became an inside joke between my friends.

[@Narcolepzi]

Her point is valid

[@unknownbannana8241]

Cooperate activism is just lucrative to business

[@kingj9664]

Your friend has a point there but honestly I really don't mind them changing the Penguin to a woman cause the character was kind of interesting And honestly people really shouldn't be Getting that mad over this

[@AgentNibbles]

@@kingj9664 I don't think people were "mad" more so they're just annoyed because they know what the intention is. It's to appear like they're being inclusive when you're doing the opposite by gender swapping characters instead of using pre-existing characters who are female or making their own like the examples my friend gave from the 90s series.

[@kingj9664]

@@AgentNibbles I still think it's an overreaction even the annoyance to it is an overreaction because when you actually sit down and watch the TV show and get rid of your bias opinions you're realized wasn't that bad. I'm just annoyed with all the overheaded this show is getting and these people acting like it's the worst thing ever for the stupidest reason

[@insxmniac3616]

Once saw someone say Joker filled the water supply with calories 😭😭😭

[@Narcolepzi]

Lmaooo

[@Sanguinecleaner]

@@Narcolepzi You know what I’m actually glad to not have cable It irritated me that Bruce told the same Joke twice

[@Reader234]

Bro this comment took me out 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@znajomyskaliczanin9196]

The Fattso incident

[@coolkingkaleb4050]

Indeed

[@judegutierrez1573]

Bro whats with the genocide of ginger characters man why they always race swap them

[@Narcolepzi]

Haha no love for the red heads

[@ZenKrio]

As bad as this is, the reason is because if you rearrange the letters in Ginger, guess what it spells (A word that rhymes with a Winnie the Pooh characters that looks like a Tiger and bounces)? Now look at the side that always doing it (Lefties and Liberals)... Thats your answer.

[@Hugh_Jannis]

It's a Hollywood inside joke. Ginger is an anagram of a certain word that begins with N that describes Black people

[@VyllenceGaming]

@@judegutierrez1573 Hollywood hates gingers. Can't help but race swap them out of existence...

[@draven4897]

@@Hugh_Jannis inside joke. that's just racist

[@kyoguro_rengoku]

In “The Batman” 2004 or 2007 that show featured a female cop who was a leading role and has one of the best female writing I’ve ever seen, her character is well fleshed out and she didn’t have to be woke, she didn’t have to be lesbian, she didn’t need other people to say how smart she was, and every male character wasn’t some sleeze ball to make her look good her name was elen Yen, I think but I know she was a very well written character and well designed too

[@CommanderRBD]

Bit of a shame Batgirl kind of replaced her. Pretty sure Yen never appeared after the second season. I think she is mentioned becoming commissioner at some point. But she's largely forgotten, once Barbara comes into the picture.

[@ugne6144]

Duuude, I was super looking forward to seeing the potential romance/ partnership she would have with Batman and Bruce Wayne. It was almost like they gave batman his own Lois Lane. Then they just erased her...

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

That show was amazing until Barbara aka Jade shows up

[@russianmilkman1213]

I remember her. Sucked she pretty much just disappeared like midway through s2 or 3 i think?

[@JayDay01]

shhh dont tell people there where good female characters before 2016 it breaks the narrative

[@travisleabeck2572]

I thought Barbara was supposed to be infallible independent best girl...why would she do something stupid like banging on the glass.

[@Narcolepzi]

Yeah that was a bit out of character haha. I chalk it up to bad writing

[@GladstnJones]

"Even JJ Abrams is involved.." Ah... I see the problem.

[@RoboLobster3000]

Renee Montoya was a character in the original show, she was just kind of a beat cop though. She showed up every once in a while but not often, she's kinda bullock's partner but not really.

[@Narcolepzi]

Ahh I didn’t know this

[@Ichigo_Kurosaki27]

​​​@@NarcolepziThing is. Renée Montoya also worked up to detective from a beat cop. It was after the episode POV when it happened. That's the episode where Bullock, another beat cop, and Montoya were questioned by Internal Affairs about a bust gone wrong and they had to save Batman from his predicament.

[@saidi7975]

I miss when Renée and Bullock were a team. Their personalities really complemented one another...

[@mezmermezmer]

Nah montoya was a richeously good character in BTAS but at the start of her career wasnt great but overtime she got a bit better​@@Narcolepzi

[@gameboyish]

She does some cool things in someof the comics.

[@JaycodaJr]

1:48 J.J. Abrahams’ name on this project actually deterred me more than anything. Any IP this man touches gets scuffed. It’s not that he has a curse, because… he IS the curse.

[@Narcolepzi]

@@JaycodaJr seems so

[@westhequagsireplus8191]

He’s the reason Star Trek and Star Wars are ass now too it’s crazy too since Star Trek used to be super popular now barely anybody that’s under 25 knows it

[@lefonwastaken3393]

I swear I was about to comment the same thing. I haven’t watched the show, but as soon as I heard that fuckers name, I was like nope nope nope

[@davidward3848]

(((J.J. Abrams)))

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

My thoughts exactly.

[@rickyg5743]

How come they don’t just pass the torch to the Arkham origins voice actors 💀

[@Narcolepzi]

I think they should! He was great

[@Vespyr_]

With THIS writing? It'd be a waste of their talent.

[@shaggygod420]

@@Vespyr_bro says this as if Craig hasn’t appeared in some of the worst sonic content to ever exist lmao

[@Man77772]

Smith is actually reprising his role for the VR game

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

The guy from the Batman was an awesome choice too m

[@CringeGamingOG]

The moment I noticed the art style is the same as Velma I realized this would be a train wreck.

[@IStealButterdToast]

I realized that and it made me think I just inhaled a lethal amount of Fear Toxin

[@benjaminpaulcollins2617]

That is objectively false, go compare both art styles and then come back to this comment; that’s all I’m going to say.

[@normaleverydayman7004]

Why... Why... WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET BATMAN BEYOND MOVIE!!!?

[@Narcolepzi]

That would be so much fun

[@Narcolepzi]

Or… a big budget video game? 👀

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

​@Narcolepzi I would literally pay money for that long as Will freidel came back.

[@VyllenceGaming]

Just a quick note, Montoya isn't new- in the OG series she's Harvey Bullock's partner. Originally their dynamic is that Montoya is an active supporter of Batman, while bullock is portrayed more as a somewhat corrupt cop and sees batman more of a menace vigilantee

[@Narcolepzi]

Yeah I figured this out afterwards, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the entire animated series start to finish… but I appreciate the correction. Doesn’t change my thoughts on the character though

[@VyllenceGaming]

@@Narcolepzi no your right about the show overall. Just wanted to point that one part out. Good analogy and breakdown mind you.

[@TheeOK1]

He wasnt corrupt, at least in the og series. He was relatively misunderstood, and seen as the butt of the police department.

[@VyllenceGaming]

@@TheeOK1 not really like corrupt but he was the type of cop that broke the rules did shady stuff to get the job done. Commiting crime? No but he'd DEFINATELY be the type of guy who planted evidence to land an arrest

[@SudhishSP-h7k]

​@@NarcolepziShe also appeared in 'The Batman' series which followed after BTAS(We don't talk about new adventures)

[@snakekingblues3017]

to answer why its call batman but he not the main character is because they knew no one would watch this otherwise

[@Narcolepzi]

Exactly

[@d4n737]

... Why did you structure this like a poem...?

[@XSilver_WaterX]

Welcome to NuConsumerism. Your blood and mind is literally your wallet.

[@Jetblast01]

43:46 Remember when OG Bats was having a panic attack and straight up retired because he relied on a gun once?

[@apeture_explorer4810]

Remember when everything was better? Pepperidge farm remembers.

[@quid435]

It was a full on heart attack, but yeah

[@warrenrhinerson6373]

Well, true OG Batman actually use guns pretty regularly in his first few Batman only carried a gun . He killed people on a regular basis. And Batman is not really afraid to use guns. He just doesn’t want to kill anybody with one or use one against individual person.

[@michelmoreno8233]

People have so much praise for J.J. Abrams as if he didn´t screw star wars and star trek "Somehow, palpatine returned" yeah, sure

[@ThatoneComrade-444]

J.J Abrams got some serious glazers it’s embarrassing

[@MoojinBoi]

i didn't have a problem with him coming back cuz the dude literally had a clone army, like the biggest threat of all time wouldn't have a backup plan 😂

[@guga5708156]

I think its funny because the penguin is one of the batman villains that shows how being treated poorly because of your appearance can hurt a people, on the original animated series the episode penguin starts trying to be a good person but everyone treats him poorly because of his appearance is soul crushing. A message woke people try to pass forward, and I think boomers would eat it because of how sympathetic it can be.

[@SSJAlter]

Define woke , or are ya just a racist/sexist?

[@null-0-f1h]

Batman holding a gun will never sound not unhinged

[@tvirus9369]

He used guns in the original comics

[@MaewCatt]

Dummy

[@Iianator]

Batman used guns for less then a year after his creation and after that the writers immediately made him stop using guns. Stop defending batman holding guns in "the comics" because you definitely haven't read any of them

[@supermaximglitchy1]

Never hinged

[@destinysutton5676]

​@@tvirus9369WHAT!

[@zeroXshinobi]

I really don't like the animation and artstyle, it seems cheap and ugly. The 90s animated series looks and moves much better in comparison.

[@Narcolepzi]

@@zeroXshinobi so much life in the old animation!

[@officialthestranger]

Cheap u say?

[@ItsMemeHere]

the animated series had a very distinct art direction that combined incredibly expressive backgrounds drawn on black paper and fluid cel animation. it drew inspiration from german expressionism and the superman fleischer cartoon, which together both gave that version of gotham a very unique look and feel. i think this show just lacks a clear direction, and can't seem to decide between being an animated series clone or a grounded film noir, giving it this confusing aesthetic that isn't appealing, pretty, or fluid. tldr it looks like shit because i think no one knew what they wanted to do going into this, whereas the animated series had a clear vision and stuck to it

[@huntersmith3318]

It takes place in the 40's right?? All of this makes no damn sense now.

[@ThatoneComrade-444]

It doesn’t feel 40’s like the style feels more modern with a half assed 40’s paint job

[@FrozenPyro06]

Who let Batman be the B-plot in his own show

[@Narcolepzi]

@@FrozenPyro06 I wouldn’t have even minded if the A plot was a story worth telling. Nothing happened, no arc for anybody, no interesting dynamic between characters, nobody mattered towards any central theme or plot. All a big nothing

[@rakionyellowmind2293]

@@Narcolepzi Bro didn’t even watch the animated series. Watch Two-Face part one dude, guess what? Batman isn’t there much and it’s one of the best episodes in the series.

[@digthesechild-bearinghipsb2842]

I knew this show was going to be bad the moment they mentioned Bruce Timm was going to be one of the lead creatives on it. If nobody who has great respect and understanding of Batman isn't involved in one of his Batman projects, expect shit; just look at Bruce Timm's adaptation of The Killing Joke. Also, he and another one of the creative leads said how "Batman lacks GOOD VILLAINS and there weren't enough FEMALE villains." No wonder Warner Bros. sold this mess to Amazon...

[@SSJAlter]

Womp womp its q good show

[@digthesechild-bearinghipsb2842]

@@SSJAlter Maybe it is if you don't like Batman, idk

[@jedcollings3624]

​@@SSJAlterMate you're not a batman fan 😛 what is it with you fellas and your insistence to watch adaptation of shows you don't like and don't agree with for some reason? You could just make your own cynical parody of Batman without spitting at the older generation

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

​@@SSJAlter Enjoyment doesn't make something objectively good

[@SSJAlter]

@@BlackangelKatakuri good thing no one said that

[@BakuGone]

This show is just proof that Paul Dini did all the creative work, Bruce Timm just did design work.

[@TheeOK1]

Yep. Even then, Bruce time apparently had different designs in mind before trying to keep the art relatively comic book accurate. Mans has nothing but art to his name, seems like the inverse of Butch Hartman, not that JJ Abrams helped any.

[@TylenArcher]

DC needs Paul Dini more than Bruce Timm.

[@Lightnef]

This ain’t batman bro this is just bad man 🤦🏻

[@Narcolepzi]

@@Lightnef LMAO

[@BigBoss-u6c3v]

this is the 1939 Batman

[@ryszakowy]

blackstained barbara gordon = 0 interest

[@solaireofastora6173]

@@Lightnef he’s just man

[@Lightnef]

@@solaireofastora6173 dont compare this to my king man

[@merufistace]

All this series did was show me that people forgot that all the worst things from BTAS were what Bruce Timm championed and all the good stuff from the show had little do with him Never forget that Bruce Timm is the one that has a hard on for the Bruce/Barbara relationship, and had her get pregnant with Bruce's kid while she was dating Dick Grayson in the BTAS canon (it was in the canon follow up comics) Either Bruce Timm really wants to bang one of his co-workers' daughter or it's a fetish he has, cause he's obsessed with it BTAS should be remembered as a staple of the character's history, but Bruce Timm should not be given any type of creative control This is the 3rd time people have made that mistake, maybe this time they'll learn from it Also, quick edit that I forgot to mention, Renee Montoya isn't new to this series and is unironically a pretty solid character within the comics

[@Slicey1]

it’s really so depressing i had the chance to meet conroy as a kid and missed out not realizing the impact he had on my life and now that opportunity is lost forever. fly high bats.

[@nickelliott1174]

In a word, almost. The writing is really bad and the fact is Batman gets less screen time than the supporting cast. The voice acting is way below what we are accustomed to and they mangle the characters thoroughly. On the plus side the animation was decent and JJ was involved.... ugh, I change my word. YES, it's that bad.

[@Narcolepzi]

Well put

[@blueclube30000]

Writing is a strong word to give to those fakes.

[@lazyvoid7107]

​@@NarcolepziDude doesn't have a brain

[@TheeOK1]

The animation was honestly pretty badd at times. The worse scene is when penguin is trying to blow to police department. The animation for them escaping was immediately noticeable for me and made me replay and pause. The action sequences is where the animation is genuinely good if not passable, like the clayface fight. But the inbetween scenes can be so stiff and lack any real movement.

[@johnnybeasley3675]

I'll say that I agree with you on a number of points, but you're wrong about Clayface. The reason that this Clayface is so divorced from the BTAS Clayface is because they're different comic book characters. That is actually a very faithful adaptation of the original Basil Karlo Clayface.

[@jermainemorton5635]

All the cartoons that guys like When we were younger is now being destroyed And it's sad and pathetic.

[@Narcolepzi]

We should have appreciated what we had

[@jermainemorton5635]

@OfficialCJSoprano I do and I got some of them from my younger days on blu ray/4k

[@kyoguro_rengoku]

In “The Batman” 2004 or 2007 that show featured a female cop who was a leading role and has one of the best female writing I’ve ever seen, her character is well fleshed out and she didn’t have to be woke, she didn’t have to be lesbian, she didn’t need other people to say how smart she was, and every male character wasn’t some sleeze ball to make her look good I forgot her name but I know she was a very well written character and well designed too

[@SlobZombie]

​@@kyoguro_rengoku totally agree. Detective Ellen Yin

[@spaceman6693]

Velma but the Batman

[@Narcolepzi]

Type shiii

[@kingj9664]

Oh you can just shut all the way up with that c***

[@callmejacob3234]

Harley Quinn is the Velma of Batman that show is awful.

[@kingj9664]

@@spaceman6693 This show is nowhere near compared to Velma and the fact that you said that says a lot about your own intelligence

[@kingj9664]

@@callmejacob3234 The Harley Quinn show came out way before Velma and people actually like it if you don't like it then that's just a you thing

[@Justaplaguedoctor]

Why is this called Batman: caped crusader instead it should be called “3 strong independent women: detective adventures”

[@Narcolepzi]

Would've been more accuarate

[@Watch-0w1]

Who the third? Harley?

[@ryszakowy]

blackstained characters & bumbling batman

[@coachtali5151]

Incel anger that show was great

[@Justaplaguedoctor]

@@coachtali5151 your either mentally disabled or just dumber then rocks because this show is not good, a “Batman” show where Batman is not acting like Batman I fear what shows you call amazing

[@dankyuji2072]

21:34 You overlooked the fact that Catwoman was cuffed to a table leg with a clay pot on it. She could have knocked the table over and escaped at any time.

[@WeebGuru6]

I get the feeling they wanted to do Gotham except with Barbra

[@idoomi6714]

Idk how people give this show a 10 out of 10 I really want to understand what they find good about it.

[@halojoebojs]

Why does Bruce Wayne sound like Archer? It just makes him sound even sillier

[@ericweber2092]

Sounds like a Show I don’t Watch because they genderswap and raceswap some cool characters instead of creating new characters

[@seanmarley3598]

The problem with original characters is that they are...How should i say this in Sony terms "Nobody gives a shit about them"

[@loftgaming5031]

@@seanmarley3598that’s only true if the characters have poor writing and aren’t memorable Remember Harley Quinn was a new character created for the 90s series

[@ad1kher0gaming71]

​@@seanmarley3598 if you don't give a shit about the original characters from a Batman show, then probably you shouldn't watch a Batman show.

[@seanmarley3598]

@@ad1kher0gaming71 I didn't say i don't give a shit. I was talking about how almost every audience don't seem care about original character.

[@elongatedsedation324]

​@@seanmarley3598Even then, it's racist as fuck. How about we race swap a black character because the audience doesn't care much about them? Except Hollywood won't do that because they're pandering to anyone with a darker skin.

[@d-manthecaptain1382]

In case you were wondering, the reason why Alfred is a clumsy fat man is because that's how he was in the comics. He used to be fat, and clumsy, but then there was a story where to went to resort on vacation, and spent his time there working out, and returned skinny and clumsy. Alfred was intended to be a comic relief character, who often bumbled his way into trouble, and would get out of it normally through dumb luck. For a look at the original version of Alfred who inspired this show's version, check out Batman issue 10. The reason why made him skinny is because the Batman characters were adapted into a film serial, and they got a skinny man to play Alfred there, and they wanted to make the comic Alfred match what was going on in the big screen. Neat, eh?

[@vibemasterkorosu2469]

Thank God we didn't get this Alfred as the popular version. Our current Alfred got a much needed glowup

[@yulb.allwright]

Not quite exactly. Yes. Alfred was first introduced in Batman #16 (April *1944*), by writer Don Cameron and artist Bob Kane, in which he had an overweight and clean-shaven appearance. However, he was originally created by writers Victor McLeod, Leslie Swabacker, and Harry Fraserof for the Batman (*1943*) serial, in which he was played by English character actor William Austin. The comic's story was published prior to the serial's release, regardless, DC editors wanted the comic Alfred to resemble his cinematic counterpart, so in Detective Comics #83 (January 1944), Alfred vacationed at a health resort, where he slimmed down and grew a mustache.

[@ElmokillaXDK]

This reminds of cartoons from the early 2000s and they took classic characters and tried to make them hip like that Looney tunes show where they had iron man suits. I feels that same kind of low quality

[@German_Batman]

One Thing I noticed was, no one blinks ever

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

They’re really trying to recreate the original animated series but it’s so uninspired

[@MrOrcshaman]

This show stands as the perfect example of what happens when writers and creators lack nuance and aren't made to operate around certain restrictions. Bruce Timm has the creativity, but he's always needed others to hold him back from going over the top, people like Paul Dini and back in the 90s broadcast and standards. Timm doesn't have the nuance to keep things held back, even several times in past interviews expressing his frustration in not being able to make the characters exactly how he wanted, which ultimately ended up being a good thing. Paul Dini deserves way more credit in making BTAS as good as not was, but Bruce Timm gets all the credit.

[@Narcolepzi]

For sure, the whole team back then was a perfect collaboration

[@MrOrcshaman]

@@Narcolepzi Shirley Walker remains one of my all time favourite composers

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

@@MrOrcshaman FYI this is also the same Bruce Timm that made Batman have that infamous scene with Barbara in the Killing Joke. This show isn't even the first disaster he has had with Batman when Paul Dini wasn't in the writer's booth.

[@LouiseBelcher69]

If this was a batgirl-centric series where the concept is batman beyond the detective female goes ask people in the daytime and at night the detective becomes a batgirl, and so on.

[@zannchristo]

The fact that they worked for so long on this show, just to have 2006 cartoon animation is insane to me (I said animation, not design)

[@oompaCookie]

I've seen sooooo many people praising this series?why?it disrespects everything about batman,literally everything

[@Narcolepzi]

Right!

[@Thr33Sh33ts]

Because of a particular chromosomal makeup...let's not pretend. I'm all for inclusive-ness, but stop changing and dumbing down existing characters.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

It agrees with them ideologically, so the quality doesn't matter.

[@Vespyr_]

Because Disney and Netflix have been slowly manipulating young people into liking this kind of crap for over 10 years and they are becoming the new market.

[@officialthestranger]

@@GenericProtagonist7 Beo Animation was fly asf

[@saidi7975]

Frankly.... I find this show more mediocre than anything. They didn't want to just stick to Golden Age Batman, just stole some of the aesthetics & delivered a bland elseworld. It's a shame because Golden Age Batman could have given a familar yet new experience !

[@Narcolepzi]

Agreed! Wasted potential

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

exactly. well said. They could've used the Mad Monk, Cavalier (he's kinda lame but any character can work with good writing) and some other great golden age characters. They used catwoman but I want to see her ORIGINAL design, that's my favorite. Look it up.

[@stephendye672]

Clayface episode: Why couldn’t the actress get off the chopping table after one hand was untied? She just lay there whining about not wanting to die, but didn’t move until her other hand was untied. Little things like that can ruin a series.

[@cyclopsegg4735]

not really that’s just a nitpick idk why that’s the one thing you’re pointing out of all things

[@Thepowerfulcanadianranger]

This show literally feels like I’m watching that Harley Quinn adult cartoon series again.

[@Narcolepzi]

Eerily similar tone

[@mrdeathshead]

Harley Quin show is amazing wdym?

[@Thepowerfulcanadianranger]

@@mrdeathshead Did I say it was bad? And even if I did say it was bad ITS MY opinion.

[@rainingtacos7529]

​@@ThepowerfulcanadianrangerDo you think it's bad? Never watched it and I don't wanna waste time if it's bad.

[@Thepowerfulcanadianranger]

@@rainingtacos7529 the Harley Quinn show is too feminist for me, but no I do not recommend you watch the Batman show either if you’re a long time fan of the Batman animated series.

[@louisb.6149]

Damn. Not recording with your costars is bad. That’s what’s made the magic between joker and Batman literally iconic in btas

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

Don’t forget Harley: Arleen Sorkin was seriously playing the kazoo and it was quite the anecdote for the whole cast

[@Ichigo_Kurosaki27]

I am tired of the politically motivated changes to already established characters and the fact that modern day trash is inserted into the golden or silver age of comic stories. Like the changes to The Penguin and making NOT Harley Quinn who has the same name as Harleen Quinzel's alter ego when she is WITH THE Joker. And why did they make Alfred Pennyworth, THE British Special Intelligence member, a clumsy fat man who is made fun of by everyone? Why are there so many things wrong with this show? And why is Jar Jar Abrams at BAD REBOOT on this probei? Why is Bruce Timm not working with Paul Dini and others who worked on the DCAU shows back in the day? You know, the very writers who made DCAU and Batman the way those properties in media are today? I can't take this seriously, since they all call us racist and other labels for asking these exact legitimate questions.

[@Narcolepzi]

Well said!

[@katcvnutebey1953]

THE ONLY THING I CAN DEFEND IN THIS ,IS THE FAT ALFRED. EARLY IN IT'S BEGINNINGS, ALFRED WAS FAT. THIN ALFIE CAME LATER DOWN THE RUN OF THE BOOKS.

[@seanmarley3598]

@@Ichigo_Kurosaki27 Alfred being fat was literally his original design. What do you expect? Skinny bone butler?

[@ad1kher0gaming71]

​@@seanmarley3598no, someone who genuinely looks like he used to be in British Army and to put a bit of respect on his name. He partly trained Batman ffs. But oh what am I saying, even Batman doesnt get any respect here so why should Alfred?

[@seanmarley3598]

@@ad1kher0gaming71 Was Alfred even a trained British begin with? The only time i remember was Live action version where Alfred worked for Queen of England.

[@juiceman-u6d]

Love how they attack men for liking women and they can never have men help. Yet they have women needing other women and lusting after other women. Sick of the double standard. These people are supposedly are against this type of behavior and consistently do it again and again.

[@flps999]

For real, it's kinda sad how many shows are getting ruined by today's society standards like this...And it's a pity cuz this show had potential, can't even get shit anymo

[@Ebh55.]

Who do you mean?

[@M1nn0wLIVE]

I think what you don’t understand is this is an adaptation of 20-40s comics, if course there are a few modern changes because 20-40s media is very dated, but most of the modern characters were established in the 80s and 90s. Mr freeze and clayface especially were way different before the animated series

[@Xana.01]

As South Park said put a chick in it and make it lame and gay because it is not a Modern tv show without it 😂

[@fakeaccount9376]

2:44 *sigh* **closes youtube** **opens incognito mode**

[@knightmare3706]

I had my hopes up with Bruce Timm involved. Then I heard JJ Abrams. My expectations went down the drain. That's what now? 3 franchises he destroyed? Jesus christ this series is so ass. No wonder they couldn't put this on TV, it's horrible. First fucking Batman series in over a DECADE and this is what we get. I'm good watching the Batman 2004 and BTAS. Screw this entire show.

[@Narcolepzi]

I’ll be joining you

[@ThePrincessCH]

I've heard that Paul Dini was the major contributor that made "Batman: The Animated Series" the way it was.

[@Loweffortbanana-ww9mc]

2:05 why does he look like he’s going to tell Alfred he shat the bed?

[@cryojhin5369]

Im pretty sure clayface was more the original comic version than the btas version he was just a shapeshifting serial killer i think

[@Narcolepzi]

I believe you’re right. But this ain’t at all a critique of how “true to form” it is, it’s just not done well

[@cryojhin5369]

@OfficialCJSoprano oh yeah definitely its one of the 6 episodes thats just barbara or renee being boring for 18 minutes and batman showing up for a mid fight at the end

[@RepeatedFails]

It's fascinating how many shows have come out in the past 5-10 years that I would love to watch, but they choose to alienate me as a fan If you told me a decade ago they were making a LotR show, a Witcher show with Henry freaking Cavill, or a new Batman show, I'd be so nerdy and hyped Instead I have zero desire to even click them anymore

[@deryademirtas]

You did a great job! You nailed it - 56% Rotten tomatoes audience score. The message is their only concern!

[@Narcolepzi]

Thank you!

[@vibeking1862]

I think my main problem is that it’s not enough to stand out from previous Batman shows. I also agree that they kinda make Batman a bumbling mess, he struggles in fights that he shouldn’t, he acts like some fucking tsundere when interacting with Alfred💀, and it seems like he was always last to figure out something

[@Narcolepzi]

Right, if they removed him from the story, almost nothing would change. Shouldn’t be the case in a show called “Batman”

[@katcvnutebey1953]

THANK MATT REEVES FOR THAT DUMB SHIT. THEY JUST DUMP ROBERT PATTINSON'S BRUCE LAME INTO THIS CARTOON

[@thelosersclub5641]

Yes because he’s very new to all this and doesn’t think he needs help you would know this if yall payed attention

[@shaggygod420]

@@thelosersclub5641these guys just wanted another Kevin Conroy animated series when caped crusader was never gonna be that. The show is fine lol

[@joaopedrofm1299]

@@thelosersclub5641 yes because everyone wants to watch a batman show where he's not batman yet, what a joke, in the recent batman movie he was also new to the whole batman thing yet was smart and capable of fighting criminals, why would he even start being batman if he's not intelligent or capable of winning a single fight, how are we supposed to feel something when he loses like when bane broke his back if he stood emotionless like a damn corpse when being beaten by a child

[@seandoyle296]

I enjoyed the Gentleman Ghost, Clayface, carnival and Onomatopoeia episodes. But the quality isn’t consistent between each show. The Penguin change was utterly pointless, as was making Harley Quinn some Mad Hatter/Hugo Strange knockoff that brainwashes her billionaire clients out of some vague disdain for capitalism. Also, she’s Hawaiian and obese for some reason. But the worst, by far, is how Two-Face was handled. Harvey Dent is played as a one-dimensional misogynist for most of the show, until the last few episodes where he suddenly becomes the “White Knight” for a scant few seconds until he is disfigured by a mobster IN THE BATHROOM. Yeah, that’s right. Harvey’s tragic disfigurement doesn’t even happen when Batman is around. Dude gets his face melted by a goon on the john. And don’t even get me started on how terrible his appearance is in contrast to BTAS, TDK or even that Gotham Knights show that flopped.

[@miguelzurita3216]

The Long Halloween movie handled it the best imo, in that movie he is manipulated into going crazy, he already had his tick with the coin but being framed for murder and disfigured pushed him over the edge. I agree Harvey deserved better there's no tragedy for him in this show, he's Two-Face for a few days gets arrested and then dies. As for Harley Quinn making her Bruce's psychologist was fine, making her date another woman is fine, making her work with the police is fine, but making her Harley Quinn without the Joker is stupid, her tragedy is the abusive relationship she has with him. Female Penguin is ok, it's pointless but it works This show is so far OK, and I think it can get better if they improve their writing and actually let these actors do their lines in the same room.

[@saidi7975]

@@miguelzurita3216 About Harvey's tragedy, "Eye Of the Beholder" was the first iteration to do it in more details and it was fine, very good Two-Face comic but kinda rushed on the Dent side. Then you have BTAS AND Long halloween which build-up the assassination attempt juuuust right and clue you in that there's something wrong with Harv's temper despite him being an upstanding and Justice-driven attorney... The way THIS show handles it though ? Trash...

[@nickgames6036]

Never let bro cook again

[@RyanG0899]

And by bro, you mean Bruce Timm, right?

[@naheemquattlebaum2267]

No wonder it took "so long" for this show to come out...they knew it was bad.

[@MaximilianoVelasco-m9o]

Bro looks like a young penguin got a Edgar cut

[@BM-wh5qk]

Roland Daggett wasn't a mob boss. He was just a crooked businessman who was made to be a dumb Lex Luthor.

[@Narcolepzi]

@@BM-wh5qk Potato potato he’s got goons and all same thing

[@ThePrincessCH]

In regards to Alfred's design, his Golden Age incarnation had that body type.

[@Sesshoumaru888]

The very first time I heard batman's voice in this show, I thought to myself "Omg, will I be the only one who's gonna hate all this?"...turns out, I am not. Something told me this show is gonna be ass...glad to know someone else thinks that.

[@VogtTD]

“Unintentionally hilarious” Plays intentionally funny clip.

[@Narcolepzi]

@@VogtTD funny for the wrong reasons

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

I am actually fine with Batman using guns in this context. That's actually in line with what the show promoted itself, as an adaptation of the original Batman in Detective comics, when he actually used guns before a lot of his lore was fleshed out further.

[@maladacav8819]

As a lifelong female DC fangirl, I’ve got Batman as my main man-my ultimate superhero soulmate-while Constantine is my charming side piece, you know, the one I sneak away with for a little fun on the side. But let’s be real: it feels like every new release from DC is on a mission to obliterate our beloved heroes. It's like they’re terrified that future generations might actually look up to a brooding billionaire who spends his nights fighting crime and saving the day. Nope! Let’s just turn him into a wealthy jerk who doesn’t deserve money and who cannot ever achieve the peak of human greatness. Seriously, the DC Animated Movie Universe (DCAMU) was a treasure trove of storytelling that we cherished like a beloved family heirloom. And what did they do? They obliterated that entire universe with a rushed Crisis Trilogy, sending a clear message to us fans: “Your previous conceptions of your favorite heroes? Yeah, those are going bye-bye.” It’s like they threw a tantrum and decided to replace all that brilliance with the kind of garbage that has the audacity to use Batman’s IP while simultaneously ruining him as a character. Just look at how they’ve portrayed him in the Harley Quinn series-talk about a character assassination the man is turned into some crying little bitch boy who is psychotic and needs HARLEY QUINN to “save him”! And if I hear one more time in ANY media of him even in a “joking manner “ that Bruce Wayne needs to go to prison for Tax Evasion like I will truly never ever again invest myself into any new DC content and just leave the old shows and movies on a loop repeat. Every new Batman project lately feels like it’s joined this bizarre trend of self-sabotage. The recent animated films? Rushed disasters that took a sledgehammer to the magnificent tales we once adored. I used to critique those films like a pretentious film buff, but now? Now I’m practically crying, realizing we’ve been spoiled rotten and will likely never see anything that good again. And don’t even get me started on James Gunn’s new DC universe. My expectations are so low at this point that I will not get my hopes up from the guy who seems more interested in Harley Quinn and obscure villains than in the actual heroes who built this universe. It’s as if they’ve decided to rewrite the mythology of our legends while systematically dismantling the one character who has kept DC afloat for decades. Bravo, DC-truly, this is a masterclass in how to alienate your most devoted fans! It seems like they are just using his IP to create some new crap no one would ever watch and figure let’s use it to get an audience but it will never be about him. Oh and will humiliate him in it also while we tell stories of garbage we would never watch!

[@NintendanGX]

I'd like to point out that it's common for voice actors to record their lines seperately when working on animation, anime and cartoons. Recording alone in a booth is typically how it goes. Not all voice actors know each other, nor are they expected to. Press conferences and conventions tend to be how and when they first meet, unless they're regular employees at voice-acting guilds or English dubbing companies. Yes, the voice acting is a downgrade, but recording their lines separately doesn't have anything to do with that.

[@AidenS-f5z]

there are plenty of animated media where actors voice together. Definitely helps with quality

[@NintendanGX]

@@AidenS-f5z Its quality is debatable, considering it's actually the actor and the director's job to both get the best and most appropriate lines for each scene, but you're missing the point. Solo recordings are more common across the industry. It's not the issue here. The entire show isn't gonna get fixed by putting two people in a booth every time they need to get some lines.

[@PossessedbyPhoenix]

The series is apparently set in the 1940s and meant to harken to the noir detective comics period where Batman did use guns when he debut, so they had him use a gun on purpose

[@DADPOOL4044]

Actually, with the no enter order, it was the right decision. They aren't trained for dealing with fire nor are they wearing the appropriate equipment to sustain a proper search for the kids. More lives would've been lost had he gave the order to enter

[@Narcolepzi]

Well there should have been a call to the firefighters instead of the police force, but no. If 50 kids had died and the police stood idly by… there would be an out roar by citizens if that happened in real life. Looked like no fire fighters showed up even afterwards, so they are the only public servants that are present. They swear to serve and protect, lucky for Gordon it turned out fine. But if it didn’t, that’s a bad call. It’s all situational

[@Broke_Honkey]

You know the Batman show is gonna suck when the take away his 4 arm blades

[@Goremasterhelsing]

Ngl i did imagine kevin conroy😅 0:10

[@szabok1999]

Montoya, the lady cop isn't a new character, she just wasn't overused before. She was in the original cartoon as well and they managed to make her competent and likeable without stealing the show from the titular character.

[@gamergod1074]

also the kids are all the robins batman had in the comics

[@AForeignObject9]

Got through the first 2 episodes, couldn’t do the rest. Appreciate your resolve and the video.

[@Narcolepzi]

Got you!

[@Chaplinandlock7462]

12:02 the original Batman animated series did this too, but it was because Batman was the person while Bruce Wayne was the mask and it was supposed to represent that this lazily does it and throws it in half assed

[@Narcolepzi]

Yes and no, in BTAS he only spoke like Batman when he had the mask on. He never forced his voice to be dark and gargly as Bruce Wayne when it's just him and Alfred. The new show made him look mentally disturbed

[@thelosersclub5641]

@@Narcolepzibecause he IS mentally disturbed do you read comics or look at any other Batman media???

[@shaggygod420]

⁠@@Narcolepzidude this version of Bruce was obviously affected differently because most Batmen don’t burst into their Alfred room that night and say “They all have to pay” the way he did and that’s fucking rad. Y’all see something interesting like Batman actually being seen as crazy which he is in many points in the comics

[@hilariousandoriginalchanne327]

⁠​⁠@@NarcolepziOk maybe it’s been a minute since you actually watched the show, but there are SEVERAL scenes in BTAS where he does the exact thing you just described.

[@mooking9228]

ftr, montoya's not really a new character. she was also in the og animated series but was mostly a side character

[@revalier3670]

The gloves he wears is suppose to be a homage to Batman's first appearance as well as his whole suit, they only made the gloves black here and not purple. It's the same with Alfred, in his first appearance, he was a chubby Englishman and Batman using a gun

[@killachriz96]

Yea but all that was changed he been set in stone for decades now they shouldn’t have changed what was know and if they wanted to pay homage to the old comics they could have done it better like Bruce had 2 butlers or something and decides to get rid of one or they have a family emergency and then you can show it’s old school Alfred from the comics. To just have newer thinner Alfred come up escorting the old one out obviously he wouldn’t be named Alfred they can call him jeeves or something

[@vxzdzd121]

Alfred wasn't a chubby man on his first appearance, only on his second on the comics

[@Paketaqi]

Harvey dent turned into john fucking wick within a day and just goes after the mob like theyre nothing lol

[@kukikukito]

they tricked people into thinking this was written by Paul Dini

[@galaxyfox3822]

They made penguin caked up 😭😭🙏🙏

[@anthonyjones9010]

I tried watching one episode, but then after that, I just went to HBO Max and watched the original Batman animated series.

[@TheNero97]

Never thought I'd see the day Batman uses the Evil Containment Wave

[@Need_RnR]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣 👻 🦇 👻 _Who ya_ gonna call....?

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

HE-MAN!!!

[@Guywhohasntslept]

I love fat Alfred because every frame with him in it can be a reaction image

[@JackylNest]

They made Jim Sterling a batman villian

[@Scorch-Bad-Men]

Someone put that batman voice actor on a watch list after this, omg

[@dandare9055]

"Treat the 'staff' like 'people' " is basically inherently implying they are not people but one can learn to pretend as if they are. Writers are good: at telling us their own beliefs. Not to mention Bruce tended to treat Alfred as family member, not worker.

[@SDOTFILMS]

When indie boss girls takeovers things.

[@J.D.DaGOAT808]

What really makes me hate this show is that scene where batman uses a gun, thats the prime (and only) example you need to see to know that these writers don't really understand Batman. Also, a lot of people r saying "the show is good when u don't compare it to TAS, but that was literally what the writers and producers were doing when promoting this show! They were comparing it to the TAS and saying that "this was the story we wanted to write but couldn't cuz of TV restrictions" or something along those lines

[@Narcolepzi]

@@J.D.DaGOAT808 exactly !

[@larkNott]

Dc is never going to escape the influence of the velma show...

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

They seriously tried to do a bad imitation of Conroy for Batman here. Thing is thats basically his natural voice

[@jaxHeitChurchOfChristSer-me5el]

Its a bad sad thing when uncreative people get to touch established stories. SIC!

[@naenre21]

Even 1960s Batman had redeeming qualities and is a joy to watch. This makes me even more sick. And I currently have covid.

[@rzxt]

God I hate this... The story telling is SO Bad. But people say they love it???

[@seanmarley3598]

@@rzxt I think it's because how aesthetic 40s set was. I'd say this show was potentially wasted.

[@rzxt]

@@seanmarley3598 you're right. I loved the style too.

[@idkgoat9394]

As a person that finds the show descent I can say the concept is cool and I like that Batman is more of a detective than anything else so yea it it’s mid but it can be better.

[@jxblades716]

I liked certain aspects of the show like how they portrayed batman himself as well as some of the episodes and bullock and his partner were funny villains

[@fzcbh4698]

​@@rzxtthis is a proof that the Venture Bros was a great animated series.

[@ItsMemeHere]

4:16 minor correction: the two voices concept was something that was actually pioneered by kevin conroy during his tenure on the animated series, and was expanded upon in other batman media like the nolan trilogy (albeit poorly). while i'm not the biggest fan of the way it's done here, it's not anything that hasn't been done before, and it's done as a way to tell the audience that bruce wayne is the disguise while batman is how bruce truly feels inside

[@NSAgent]

I shouldn't be shocked by how bad this show is yet I'm still shocked 🤦‍♂️

[@scionixx9568]

They hate batman cause he represents everyrhing in a man they cant stand. Strong, masculine, smart, caring.

[@theravenking5930]

The reason that we have Batman animated series is because the popularity of Tim Burton Batman I could sum up this show in one word “inferior“ Bruce Tim gets too much credit. He’s just the guy who came up with a cool designs he’s not that good of a writer The guy that actually was the soul of the original Batman the animated series was Paul Dini. He’s the guy who came up with reworking most of the villains that are iconic to this day like Mr. freeze. And JJ Abrams is not someone you look to and think quality His whole gimmick is “mystery boxes” And he can’t really create anything original he usually repurpose things badly And the guy who did the Batman movie I don’t see anything in the show that looks like it’s from him The thing they did with nocturna is really weird. They gave her the poison ivy treatment from the suicide squad game. They took a sexy femme fetal vampire character and turned her into a child and gave her weird undertones. Like look up the character She is dark and beautiful and alluring. Yeah, also the animation is lazy and it sucks They say this is the show they wanted to make and there’s 90s, but I don’t believe them. The only thing I’ll say is good about the show is the intro and the theme song.

[@man-sc1us]

Remember that Bruce in Batman beyond QUIT being Batman after he was so old he had to just point a gun at a goon.