The Next Silicon Valley Is China || Debate #1 || The Techonomic Cold War with China

Will the next Silicon Valley be in China?
Debaters:
Ian Bremmer, Founder and President, Eurasia Group
Michèle Flournoy, Co-Founder & Managing Partner, WestExec & Fmr. U.S. Undersecretary of Defense for Policy
Yasheng Huang, Professor, MIT & Author, "Capitalism with Chinese Characteristics"
Parag Khanna, Founder & Managing Partner, FutureMap
Susan Thornton, Senior Fellow, Yale University Paul Tsai China Center & Fmr. Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs
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[@jimkuan8493]

That Indian guy really studied the Chinese deep down. He knows what he is talking about. That Huang guy is a Taiwanese. He talks around the political correctness line because he is a professor as outsider and what he says has consequence to his career. So he played dumb or timid. Susan is basically the establishment. She follows the US party line.

[@justordinaryguy1988]

You are an idiot and Taiwanese basher. Yashen Huang is born in Beijing. He is Chinese and has nothing to do with Taiwan. Imbecile!

[@toaiguongjin2604]

jim kuan communist China has already surpassed superpower long shot, 100 times better, just America exajurate their good things 100 times more every way n form, wealth, power, technology, economy, system, human rights n equality etc.. , that's all.

[@HaceSunnyDSol]

I thought exactly the same

[@iayu7918]

@@justordinaryguy1988 Edward Snowden was born in USA..

[@nanlei6947]

@待化的冰 he was not purged 黄亚生教授并不讳言80年代时和父亲的争执，他认为父亲没有了解那个 ..... 也受到影响的，但是毕竟我家没有家破人亡，没有受到特别的极端的迫害。 黄亚生_黄亚生：寻找真正的中国模式docx下载_爱问共享资料 ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/avwGRiBQaUE.html 黄亚生：寻找真正的中国模式“中国模式”如果存在的话那就是温州模式 年国门初开。 ... 黄亚生教授并不讳言年代时和父亲的争执他认为父亲没有了解那个年代的真实情况 ..... 另外文化大革命的时候我们家也受到影响的但是毕竟我家没有家破人亡没有 ...

[@tywhite7365]

Who bugged Angela Merkel's cell phone?

[@nanlei6947]

sie selbst nope snowden did her a favour the german green party ströbele met snowden

[@cwhoyeo3146]

American of course but try to push it to others.

[@ktcool4660]

China tried, but they failed. US tried they were successful.

[@vocvoc9895]

@@ktcool4660 Any proof China tried or you just speaking out of your aXX?

[@vocvoc9895]

@@akhileshr2240 So people can make up all kinds of stories as they wish, Got it.

Cold War is totally invented by Western countries. Cold War mentality is very ignorant, closed , selfish , cold and cruel. China was and is always intended to win-win policy.

[@w8stral]

Stop your lies. Freedom of the individual is always superior to group herd mentality like the Chinese. No freedom and protection for the powerful means no new products will come out of China as those in power will just steal them or squash them if they compete against their individual empires.

[@howso5302]

@@w8stral so what is the point? China can not be innovative because it is dictatorship?

[@w8stral]

True. No dictatorship in the history of the world has produced anything of note. Innovation requires at least some freedom. China is going in reverse regarding freedom. Even implementing big brother social system. @@howso5302

[@howso5302]

@@w8stral That is my point: how come democratic India is not innovative while Hilter dictatorship Gemany was so innovative? History told me that your point made no senses

[@w8stral]

India is not a nation. It is a BUNCH of nations who are all VERY poor and until less than a decade ago, had tariffs between states.... yes, tariffs.... On top of this they have utterly insane government regulations which hold them back. Just because you are democratic does not mean you will succeed. You can still have a Shit Democratic government if your population votes for slavery via oppressive government(socialism generally).... Classic Example: Argentina. Used to be richest nation on earth On top of this fact: You have to catch up first before you can innovate. That is EXACTLY what CHINA has been doing. Copying and catching up. This is exactly what India is currently doing. When they come close to the west, watch India blitz past China(assuming India integrates into a country in the first place). Will happen in next 50 years. Hopefully I will still be alive to see it happen. @@howso5302

[@yellowrock2049]

Susan Thornton clearly misunderstood the what the heck the debate is about, which is fact rather than sterotypes

[@user-mh4nv6pu9r]

10 millions graduates from colleges in China each year, 5 millions of them are studying engineering and science, while the same time there are 1.1 millions high school dropouts rated 25% in US. Who is going to win?

[@user-mh4nv6pu9r]

@JarJarBinks What I am saying is about quality. 25% high school students can not even graduate high school, you think that is quality? The first thought I have on that is "Is that a retarded country?"

[@user-mh4nv6pu9r]

@JarJarBinks At beginning of 1900 US may have have half millions graduates from college while China may have couple only. 90% of chinese at that time is illiterate. Now 10 million chinese students graduated from college and you do not think quality has improved?

[@KayyHong]

@JarJarBinks --- what qualifies you to judge the quality of graduates in either country? It is just your racial bias, isn't it?

[@user-mh4nv6pu9r]

@JarJarBinks Science paper published and patent registered are overtaken US now. What China needs is time only. In fact the so called innovation is the easy part, because there are too many psychoes in China already.

[@user-mh4nv6pu9r]

@JarJarBinks Bloomberg: China Claims More Patents Than Any Country-Most Are Worthless。1. Because bloomberg is a agency always slamming china no matter what. Even your own president calls them fake news or discusting. 2. Because most of the patents themselves are worthless at all. I told you already innovation is bullshit at all and it is the easy part.

[@smirhash]

why is it so hard for US to see other nations are rising on their own?

[@masterplanbandph964]

American Exceptionalism = German Nazism

[@pennyo6868]

Propaganda and brainwashing doesn't make it so.

[@FireflyJack]

Penny O exactly. People have been brainwashed for decades in the west. Now we don’t recognize our own biases.

[@forcedanonymity1791]

So much ignorance and arrogance I see about people claiming to KNOW China is on the rise. They’re not. Their growth has slowed to just above zero and will remain relatively flat for MANY years. They expanded too irresponsibly and the US is moving manufacturing out of China soon. China’s demographics are a nightmare with it aging population. Kudos for bringing so many out of abject poverty, but China’s day in the sun is OVER.

[@petergreen5337]

That's the problem here and since it's been like this since 1945.

[@andylim6668]

How do you steal new technology when USA don't have any?

[@potatonoodlebear8035]

Andy Lim must be time machines.

[@shahmeerhyat]

Heather Larson time travel 😂😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻

[@pahatpahat9566]

Surely in what you believe in, DEMOCRACY, every country will decide what is best for for their nation. If a country could invest its resources , it is theirs to decide. Are they implying that other nations must seek permission from US in which sector a country could invest in? Real dumb thinking!

[@pahatpahat9566]

@haa zaa That was history! After WW2, today is 21st century. You must be still dreaming!

[@citizenofdaworld7582]

HE'S in denial stay arrogant

[@jaychow3208]

Really enjoyed watching this debate.

[@sunnylooichinsun6967]

Susan you know some generally, but you dont know all, how can you teach anymore if your information is not accurate

[@forcedanonymity1791]

Heather Larson China is going nowhere. Remember I called it here.

[@cimonkien9833]

In 1994, I went to my organic chemistry professor house. I read many of her books and science journalist magazines. I was shock that most of the researchers are chinese.

[@Al-yp3ks]

US research and innovation is propped up by asian americans.... thank Trumptards for ramping up xenophobia and accelerating China's growth.

[@johnsonlee9797]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXvaY2trrdZ_aK8 82%美國人討厭中國 認為他會取代美國 成為世界首強 82% of Americans hate China and think it will replace the United States as the world's No. 1

[@chenchris4300]

Hope we can see more of this kind of debate on KZbin.

[@rohitroll2119]

That parag dude is awesome. Precise and knowledgeable!

[@petergreen5337]

He's good but not up to date. This is fast moving area

[@jap882]

some of U.S. tech mind comes from *ASIA* . period

[@1313hyme]

Not some. But many!!! Just look at the US tech elite company. Just walk in a couple of seconds and walk out. You don't have to look more to see that a lot of Asians are there working. Check NASA, IBM....!

[@mohsinalishah9504]

Most of them are.. in every field

[@spadeysay6846]

The biggest theft by the US is its theft of the brilliant brains from around the world.

[@thebestevertherewas]

Not all Asians are Chinese. Many of them are from India, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea.

[@paulcheung7552]

This is a very interesting topic. I am now working in the forefront of Shenzhen and can see how it is achieving this. Unless you are in the thick of things you will never truly appreciate it. The speed to market in Shenzhen is amazing. The Big Bay Area initiative makes sense. One of the critical success factor will be the investment China puts in to attract the top talents into this area. This is also seen as a hope for our younger generation therefore I am inspired by this.

[@leozhou1387]

People please go to China and see how these new technologies are used there, then make a comment. Look at their high speed railway, cashless payment everywhere...look these technologies applied to people's daily life.

[@christopherashford4194]

@@tazisayshi Bingo!

[@lianghao7128]

great talk，thank you

[@sanjog3479]

I wish Prof. Dr. Michio Kaku was invited in this episode..

[@Coumei2009]

Just a question: what's the planet where Susan lives?

[@acommon1]

Common Informative Exchange. My 3rd time listening to your debates. Well done. Impressed with the speakers for they depth of knowledge and ability convey thoughts in a reasonable manner. Keep up the good work. Robert N. Johnson ACommon1 Connectivity Llc

[@dunai2012]

talking about where is the next silicon valley is obsolete, we should talk about where is the next shenzhen, that means we're talking about future because silicon valley is yesterday and shenzhen is today but we want to know what will happen tomorrow.

[@dylanwang8779]

I wonder if any of these "technology experts" debating on technology, actually know any basic technology like coding or engineering.

[@w8stral]

Hell no. It is rather obvious. None of them have started a company before either other than Ian, but his is all intellectual/speaking and has no property to protect. Why China may end up ruling, but innovation will cease to exist because of their societal structure. Worse, some bigshot can come to any company in China and either steal it outright without compensation, or simply shut it down instantly if it is competing against their own private empire.

[@thebestevertherewas]

The Indian guy seems to be bought off by the CCP.

[@kwongwong6387]

In the areas of science and technology countries of all countries should collaborate to one another for a community of shared future of mankind rather than zero sum competition.

[@jinniwind]

Kwong Wong agreed. America needs to change the mentality of creating enemies out of thin air one after another. During the cold war against Soviet union, it was valid. But what about japan after that, and china now? Why does it have to be America who keeps being no 1? Why does the government need to create an enemy for their people to hate on? Like you said, it shouldnt have been a zero sum game to begin with, but i guess it’s rooted in the difference of the east vs west in many ways.

[@kwongwong6387]

@@jinniwind Couldn't agree more.

[@thearchitect27]

In my Eastern culture, we have a proverb that goes something like, "The leaders of a society are a reflection of the people that make up that society." In the case of China, their head of state is a chemical engineer by training. While here in America, our head of state is a reality TV, real-estate mogul. China is pouring money like there is no tomorrow into the STEM fields, but the same cannot truly be said about America, at this time. This debate really has morphed into the different forms of government and economic models that these two 21st century rivals have in their state institutions. I believe that we now live in a multipolar world, and I don't believe that only one country will lead the world in technological innovations. Don't forget India and Iran and Turkey and even Germany, who's keeping the EU afloat. Even America has a decent future ahead, but we really cannot have a debate in such black and white terms. Silicon Valley was a huge American success, but now that basic model of innovative technology and entrepreneurial spirit has been embraced by the entire world, including developing parts of Africa and Asia and Latin America. Keep in mind that none of this creative freedom would be possible had it not been for the militaristic implementation of the petro-dollar system, in which fossil fuels are sold on the global markets using the US Dollar. This allows Americans to remain unchallenged and innovate beyond their wildest imagination, but without checks and balances, those Silicon Valley tech giants have become multinational corporations who don't give a damn about allegiance to America. In the case of China, the state controls the policies that Chinese companies must follow. And again, it is China, along with Russia, who are challenging America's petro-dollar system, which ultimately will affect the creative freedom of America, to some extent. Economics and governance go hand in hand, and such debates are really missing the overarching point of how dynamic and multipolar our world has now become!

[@freedomrings4134]

How do I hear more of your information?

[@KishanBhatia1]

Katy It is important to recognize Japan, S Korea and India to this very important discussion.

[@changamanga3419]

The writing is on the wall, very clear. And the status quo Power is reacting, precisely the way it should be.

[@mbukukanyau]

Hahahahahaha, The Commies are squeezing Jack Ma's bolls, taking control of their IT firms, and this prophet was saying.. err what now? Communism and economic freedom do not go together.. Commie Soviets showed one thing, Central planning does not work. It will not work in Venezuela, it will not work in Cuba and it will not work in Chainah... Dude...

[@noelcastelino6790]

Is it possible to carry out free-ranging, unrestricted research in a totalitarian state?

[@stanwu1829]

what a shame! somebody said social science and technology science can be completely separated in one society.

[@wei-shonglin5176]

A big innovation always come from those free thinkers who are against the authority, the majority, and the tradition. Ordinary people can only replicate what exists. Smart people can only improve what was.

[@sebastianmolina344]

I didn’t need a VPN to watch this video

[@dragonballz2190]

Do you need a vpn to watch Baidu programs in China, they got their own versions of KZbin. Have you heard of wechat? Even facebook and twitters copying their apps.

[@vijaysharma8382]

The day Chinese Govt is not able to manage "technology" this innovation will come to end.

[@peakserv]

China has produced the following civilian planes: MA600, AG600, ARJ21, C919. There are multiple military planes produced by China, i.e. bombers, jet fighters, etc.

[@jiaxiangchen6743]

The first Shenzen is in China. The second Shenzen will be in California.

[@samgor6423]

i feel so sorry about Susan , i can't even bare to see her reaction

[@Al-yp3ks]

She's a Trumptard

[@jayyoon6259]

I think it’s interesting that they discuss political and economic outcomes without including sociological and environmental factors. One child policy and extensive pollution will create havoc in their political and economic domains in the future. 28 percent of cities in China are already beginning to contract. Much of China’s dominance was attributed to their sheer numbers, but in the future that advantage is going to dissipate. Furthermore, demographically, they are going to have a nightmare version of South Korea. All of that in the context of climate change which is set to be more impactful in Asia then anywhere else is going to create quite the strain. I just don’t see where the money will be in their future to keep pushing their version of Silicon Valley.

[@inked4295]

Calling it a "Silicon Valley" just puts a cap on the potential technological innovation and advancement...

[@philipskyap]

80% of researchers and scientists in silicon valley are foreigners, they will flee to China soon, where the innovative environment is more dynamic and vibrant, Venture funding is easily accessible, talents are easily available, markets are huge, living condition is conducive for innovation, regulators are accomodative. The innovative ecosystem is just super, silicon valley is losing steam and losing fast.

[@Kuasarakyat2]

Susan please sleep sound. The Chinese has already explored the other side of the Moon 😭 🌕

[@kimjonun4011]

Parag🔥

[@2sridhark]

Susan is like the French. When 3 agree, the fourth has to disagree on principle!

[@mq89]

Susan used to work for the state department. Do you need know anything else?

[@tschoong3897]

No, this is too low, it will become the Next Silicon Mountain.

[@sumeerahassan1200]

Jealous Susan.

[@pennyo6868]

...China Air, Air China... A Rose is still a Rose by another name. A plane is still a plane...;)

[@alanaadams7440]

Why is it that young people cannot get their shirts and ties right?

[@aarongao3578]

这个印度人更像是中国通

[@charlesqiu6190]

aaron gao totally agree, I like his viewpoints

[@nanlei6947]

@@charlesqiu6190 新加坡印度裔经常和本土印度人教育水平不一样，不过这位只是在新加坡工作而还是出生于印度，留学美国 女生们都说他很帅

[@thebestevertherewas]

@@nanlei6947 His grandfather was an Indian Diplomat. He was born in NYC and still has maternal extended family still living in Mumbai. And now he lives in Singapore.

[@myingxue]

the votes of Yale prof is always different from others, who will send kids to Yale?

[@felipemisch4466]

good for you susan,yes!!!!!!

[@flyerzy]

Market, consumer desire, financial capital, talent, scientist, national policy support , Intellectual property protection, traffic construction, etc. These factors are the driving force for development which China has all of them. IP is going to be better.

[@MostHigh777]

Impossible. Silicon valley is based on the free flow of information.. that's why it is where it is in the US. China has proven itself to be remarkably resistant to the free flow of information In fact I talked to one professor at a US technological University who said they would no longer invite Chinese students because they refused to share information with other students. And this is the core of the issue It's a cultural problem which the Chinese are unable to solve. The reality is silicon valley is more vibrant and dominant that it's ever been and China in 40 years has not been able to come up with anything even remotely close.

[@sushilover5367]

lol, u think 40 years is a long time compared to how many years china was behind the usa in 1949? give it another 40 years, nay, 20, and u will see. and btw, silicon valley is not based on the free flow of information. history informs us the the most technologically advance nation is the one with the most talents and investment. germany had more nobel prizes than the us and uk combined before ww2, and very few things in germany were free back then. the similar thing can be said about japan. so get off ur ideological high horse and pick up a history book before u open ur hole next time.

[@MostHigh777]

@@sushilover5367 I will see nothing because if anything has been proven by the last 40 years Chinese culture inhibits innovation. Whatever happened to The Kirin chip and Harmony operating system we were promised to replace us chips and Android? The problem is that you look at it from the wrong direction. Talk about China's 5,000 years compared to the last 40 years as if the last 40 years was not proof of American cultural superiority. America has gotten much more done in a much shorter time than any other society which is ever existed on the planet and continues to do so. Just look at the list of Nobel prizes awarded... The US has won almost 400 in China hasn't won a single one.

[@haoruchen4216]

How about Silicone Valley 2.0?

[@dianlaifeng]

Dude, get your facts right. Huawei is private company.

[@jhuh1758]

if her numbers are right. the US is doomed. How can compete with an opponent that produce 10 times your number of scientists and Engineers

[@joshlewis575]

Their as much private as China is democratic, which is to say not so much

[@su759527]

The born of Silicon Valley was relied on investment, amount of talented human resources, manufacturing ability and market, the next Silicon Valley will be born where these important elements stay, comparing to any other places globally, China will be the first option without any doubt.

[@Findyification]

HOLY shit the statement that silicon valley is state of mind is idiotic

[@kwongwong6387]

It is good for China as there are so many discussions in USA on China every day. People would not pay much less attention to other countries in the world..

[@ruizhou1342]

even tripled spending in military is only a small fraction of which US spent in Iraq war

[@SamSam-ws6cz]

@parag 40 megapixel chinese phone as equal as iPhone 6 camera

[@shreyamsrivastava9810]

Lol man.

[@conanly1991]

I love this kind of debate! After watching Fox News and CNBC biased towards their sponsors. These kinds of intellectual debate should be more seen by the public. I though agree that still, many statements are still inaccurate but at least is not with too much sentimental propaganda that makes a sane, well-educated individual want to throw up.

[@mrjimmy4596]

I appreciate China they are doing great ;I want my India also should grow fast ,but our mentality only producing educated labour

[@vinsin328]

Not possible. Indian lacks strategic thinking. As soon as Gandhi and Nehru came India lost Burma, Tibet, Kashmir, poor handling of partition and Sri Lanka. Within 3 yrs of Independence India lost from being a superpower to not even a regional power. India also experimented with Fabism for too long.

[@popl7717]

Not ever possible in Democratic system v have...... we can't even control our over population.

[@thebestevertherewas]

@@vinsin328 That Parag Khanna is also an Indian.

[@thekaiser4333]

What is a silicon valley?

[@nsambataufeeq1748]

At this moment, jack Ma is "assisting" the security service in China

[@AMAZOTV777]

1 trillion on bri 7 trillion and counting on war on terror which do u prefer

[@utkarshadhikari5525]

If I was one of the state in BRI I would say the war made US more miney

[@haowu9833]

As a 'China expert', Susan would benefit from doing more actual research than reading Epoch Times.

[@jiaxiangchen6743]

China does not need Silicon Valley when it has Shenzen. The motion for the debate should be: The next Shenzen will be in America.

[@osiranrebel1591]

The Chinese version of artificial intelligence is merely a fancy computer! Only google AI is powered by a quantum computer.

[@kirandeepkaur7509]

Seriously guys, bring back the old format. This fast food version of debating is no good.

[@myessyallyahamericus8405]

the snow birds.

[@rjamesho01772]

These past two years has proven Thornton right!

[@vonjeremyjardeleza8409]

What susan has been pointing out that the reason china is not yet the next silicon valley is in terms of ideas because china supresses a lot of ideas and in order to have innovation you also need an area where different ideas can be challenged and debated including politics which is why china is not yet a silicon valley. Indeed shenzhen is a mecca of electronics because it is the place where most of the global electronics are made but the open political environment is not there many chinese entrepreneurs have invested most of their money in the us because the usa is a safe place to keep their assets due to its legal system.

[@Hali88]

if you want to learn how to do something, you look at people who are successful at it and how they do it. American colleges and companies have let Chinese students and graduates into their departments, then are surprised that those people share what they've learned back home. Incredible naivety.

[@Kobs.A]

Lol people should stop hating on SUSAN this is why is called a debate,there should be someone forced to say NO,happens in my country a lot

[@gg8887]

Si Valley has been largely depended on foreign born genius but trained by Americans university. Indeed, people don't know the most achievement shining Si Valley today are Indisputably performed by "Chinese born engineers", not those management whosoever took the credits for granted. As an engineer there before, I know better then any bystanders! Native Americans' contribution to Si Valley was basically negligible nearly nothing more then a spectator yield in the stadium. One shall never ignore the Chinese gene gets deposited five thousand year beyond VSOP.

[@onlineinformativetv]

I am from Kashmir... This construction must be banned bcz it is injustice against Kashmir's people And abolishment of Kashmir rights..

[@Amazingfacts-ku9fo]

the truth is....,,USA doesn't any body to lead the world..........i support china's infrastructure project.

[@brianchangyrs]

4 to 1. Tells all.

[@masiosare3307]

Intelectual property theft. Who invented the mouse? Not Apple

[@rafikingkong]

I am a fans of you Parag!

[@hunterwang7695]

Pls spare your critics over Susan who's a senior fellow in a prestigious institut upon Asian studies, which is to say, regardless of the facts she mentioned that seem to encumber China's development to some certain degree, she's a very insightful expert on Asian issues. However, seeing that all the other 4 guests unanimously choose yes, there must be one no to lead the debate to success, otherwise 2mins after the show's opening, we could've shut down and come to terme by saying, yes we all agree, period! Fine, show budget spent, 0 rating received....

[@meirsuissa9931]

Stable geniuses .......Great !!!! :))))

[@markcooper6000]

the only way to keep up with china/is to change young peoples sense of pride from homeownership to become entrepreneurs with benefits for not being mortgage driven

[@covidwarrior2808]

China is now screwed. Front and back. Can we have another debate please.

[@xiaoliangtube]

As a Chinese born and raised in China and worked in both countries in extended period of time, I still believe true innovation will come from US. Culture and ideology matter, without true freedom if thoughts and rule of law, no society will produce ground breaking innovation. If you look at Chinese entrepreneurs, most of them are educated in the west. The combination of east and west will create true wonder for the world. The real question is how to two cultures can collaborate and share the benefit of that partnership. It is not a zerosome game. It's a pity neither side of the governments has the vision abd courage to see through that.

[@dimelo3027]

Which Chinese entrepreneur was educated in the West? F**king ignorant Hongie.

[@rogerfaint499]

@@dimelo3027 Jack Ma? No. Tencent's founder? No. Top real estate mogul? No. And I can go on listing hundreds upon hundreds and most of them are from average Chinese families (some even from very poor families).

[@rogerfaint499]

@JarJarBinks The west aren't innovators for the same reason that they could progress because of China's gun powder and paper for without these two, they'd be worse than Africans.

[@jap882]

asia has *smart cities*

[@edwardrussell7168]

My study of the rise and fall of nations. China is the next global economic power house because they dont export wars and are helpful to the developing world... good for mankind... peace is coming to the world. The public in the US is also fed up with the wars triggered by the govt... so overall good...

[@sonofsueraf]

*peace* wahaha

[@johnnyali523]

Susan Thornton is right. Time will tell.

[@angieatwork1053]

If the US opened the immigration door, the majority of Chinese 4,5 million science grads would come to be Americans. There is something to be said about legal system, protection of private property and human rights.

[@Jon-br8co]

WTF is happening???!!!! America we need to get back at it now!

[@fdr100100]

The next silicon valley will be ok the internet not in any country it's backwards to say a place where technology will thrive will be in a centralised location in fact silicone valley is an outdated concept

[@UpperZenith]

I believe, firmly, and it is very evident across many categories for comparison that at the very same time China grows capability in ABC-XYZ industry/innovation/capability, the US loses near equal ground in those same categories, on average, to Chinese industry. And so the correlation of Chinese industry and China's rise, upon the weakening of US Industry and America's decline is far too coincidental to dismiss purely on the grounds of the Chinese "Miracle", or that China somehow earned its position on its own unique merit and intellectual prominence. There is no historical comparison down through the ages, not since the beginning or human kind, between any two nations or empires who - A) collectively allied with each other economically as each others primary trading partner, B) within the exact same time-frame, C) where one Nation rises as the other weakens, D) where one Nation becomes exceedingly powerful to the degree that the partner Nation is having its once extraordinary power being usurped (by the very Nation they are economically pared with), E) across the same categories industry, manufacturing, STEM, tech, AI, finance, wealth holding, political influence, military), F) where one Nation waxed great success from essentially mirroring, cloning, stealing, borrowing, mimicking and educating itself with the power structures. methods, principles, capabilities of the other Nation, G) where the Nation on the rise uses it trading relationship to dismantle its trading partner and destroy, disintegrate/subvert its power and influence. This is unprecedented in history. It is purely fact that if the US and China had never entered into a trading alliance, that US industry would never have off-shored it industrial treasure to China, US Institutions would never have gifted billions of FDI into China, where the US and China would have remained exclusively shut off from each other, and prominent US universities did not host China born students - then what we see today in China would not exist. This reveals the truth about China. China's ascendance was made possible by the US. The US engaging with trade in China was not a catalyst for China's rise, it was THE catalyst for China rise. Regardless of how smart or hard the Chinese work, or how far-reaching, deeply intuitive their planning and strategy may now be, China is likely using an emergent strategy to contend with the US. It requires more than educational reform and focus on tech or STEM education to ascend the ladder of economic primacy. Math which is the basis for most useful STEM, has been around for centuries and some very smart people who understand complex math have walked the earth for quite some time. Math comprehension does not give rise to superpowers from third world nations in a 30 year stretch. Immense wealth, power, intellectual capital coupled with true capability takes several decades to build and even then does not guarantee Imperial world status. No, China could not have ascended so rapidly up the learning curve without a massive springboard, and that springboard was Western capital, know-how, industrial equipment, processes, capabilities, principles, institutional level context being set up in their front yard. Anyone can disassemble a piece of technology and learn about it. It does not mean that the technology would be transferable or easily replicated. The difference is that US greedy bastard corporations trained their Chinese counterparts, and made everything available to the Chinese to copy the process. We gave China direct access to our industrial treasures to plunder.

[@isamaug]

not next silicon vally but virus valley.

[@henrychuong8023]

China have not produced a plane 😂😂😂 look at war plane they got now ha ha

[@jinniwind]

Henry Chuong not only fighter jets, but also producing commercial jets soon. They are testing one called C919.

[@1313hyme]

@michael douglas Are you saying they copy the F22 and not the Boeing 737 MAX?? Are you too ashamed to mention 737 Max? You're just like Susan, brain washed.

[@HeresMyView]

Susan Thornton said China is unable to build plane. Sorry to tell you this, China had landed on the moon. When China can build spacecraft, it is obvious they can build airplane.

[@pascaldaglis1965]

IP theft mmm, I was watching a show called the Tesla Files, basically the basis of any US Innovation and the way it currently works i.e the alternating current (among others) was basically swindled from a Serbian Migrant Nikola Tresla, US technological and business innovation at it's finest

[@jap882]

do U.S has 40+ mp smartphones... in Asia we have. 😂 👌

[@christopherashford4194]

good, take a selfie

[@paulpeartsmith]

Intellectual property theft isn't what they say it is. There has been a long-standing agreement to share tech info between the US and China. theconversation.com/why-china-is-a-leader-in-intellectual-property-and-what-the-us-has-to-do-with-it-93950

[@TigrisVoice]

An important difference between China and USA about who control the population in each country is that in China is the government the one who control the population and in USA are the corporations that control the government and the population. Since the main interest of the corporation is to make more profit and gain more political power for themselves, the power is more divided than in China, and the relationship between the people of USA and the corporations is of indifference, corporation care about people insofar that people are useful for them, if they are not, then just fire them. Instead in China the people who are the actual executioner of the development feel more identified with the government is not that the people feel so happy about it but is not true what the media says about the Chinese people, it is not true that the Chinese people hate their government and that they feel completely oppressed and that they can not wait to topple down the government, the media keep giving to us the same message that they gave to the world in the fifties and after, every communist country is evil, inefficient, corrupt and stupid, if that were the case China wouldn't be able to succeed in the way that they have.How come that American haven't succeed in create chaos against the Chinese government as they did in Syria and Lybia? China never has been in better position than now, and the Chinese people are aware of the suffering or hunger that they have gone through their history. The idea the media gives us about the Chinese leaders is that the only interest that they have is to fill up their pockets with money, for sure there must be corruption but I don't think that the degree of corruption in Chinese politicians and entrepreneurs are higher and stronger than those who want to make China a stronger country, Probably the highest leader are aware of the dimension and importance that means to put China as the first power of the world.

[@keepitprivate3856]

this is exactly why i believe china should keep stealing "foreign" IP 1. it helps chinese economy 2. so that american can brag they are superior than the chinese 3. american will complaint anyway 4. it company not interest in investing in china, what is the point still respecting their IP?

[@user-pt2ro7wl3x]

These guys are talking about something they don't know.

[@user-dg2yo2yn4m]

why not just corporate make a better world.what if alien invasion, Comet hits earth. human should focus on Continuation of civilization

[@1313hyme]

That's definitely not what US is doing!

[@aindireviewer1488]

Mr. Trump have more composed arguments for this debate, against all others contestants arguments put together. As Trumps say : "China China China... I like China.... China China China... I have people in China.... I love China ..... China...."