The ORI: Evil on Fire | Stargate Omnipedia

THE ORI: A race of ascended beings who acquired a sustaining form of energy from the worship of mortal beings. The Ori share a common root species with the Ancients. And while both evolved into beings who ascended to an immaterial plane of existence, the Ancients pursued scientific advancement and (eventually) noninterference with material life forms - while the self-serving Ori instead created a religion to manipulate humans into servitude ...
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[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

battle for all eternity, i doubt that's what really happened. i know that's what they said when Oma was fighting Anubis, but even i found this ridiculous. i'm willing to bet they were both decended to a lower plane where they have no knowledge of who they are, like Oma did for Daniel. except to never be able to unlock the knowledge they once had.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

Adria actually mentions that there were a great many who were given ascended powers before she became one of them, and all that power from the mantle of the Ori were all hers alone. it makes sense that it was a collective of power spread out to many, because with more power there is a much bigger empire to watch every world within their galaxy, but when all the power was just Adria's she could be distracted because of something that demanded her attention outside of the area she occupied so she could investigate it, meanwhile as she's gone you could get away with things she wouldn't know anything about because being ascended isn't all seeing and all knowing. she can pretend she's a god all she wants, but she couldn't do it on her own. which made it slightly easier for Morgan to buy SG1 time to figure out the Ark and how to activate it. as Adria left the room in a puff of flames through the wall. and when they finally figured out how to activate it and it opened up to destroy her power and hold, on the prior and through the link of his staff and the all the nearby staffs within their galaxy, in which severely weakened Adria's power so that Morgan could take her on.

[@mattakins3422]

It cost us Oma and Morgan, but at least we no longer have to worry about Anubis or Adria.

[@fr9714]

Ori were a fantastic elevation of super villainy from the Goa'uld and Replicators and other enemies SG1 faced. They were truly a fierce threat. Too bad the show was canceled because SG1 had easily another 4-5 seasons of life in it

[@SioxerNikita]

It was also some of the worst times for the show. The Ori was kind of a boring enemy. Way too overpowered, and the solutions to deal with them were often quite contrived

[@forevertj]

I really liked the ORI. I thought it was brilliant. It had to be made from scratch. They didn't have a movie to build off of.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

i thought it was great as well, but i didn't like that we didn't get to know more within the plot than we did, i liked that we went back and got to know the Alteran's story from the beginning. i would have liked to see their full story in how the Ori took over, because it left a lot of detail out of their story with the information we had.

[@No-cg9kj]

It was not brilliant. It was rushed and forced and nothing about it felt like Stargate. Seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 are a shit stain on Stargate lore.

[@thanksfernuthin]

Julian Sands! Perfect casting! AND Louis Gossett Jr.? Awesome.

[@damaradona]

I thought it was Ewan McGregor the first time I saw it ☺️

[@2011Rodders]

Julian Sands brother Quentin was my drama teach in high school

[@thanksfernuthin]

@@2011Rodders Super cool!

[@ShiraNexus]

it is sad that the Ori arc feels short.

[@StorymasterQ]

Multiple times when watching these episodes, I hear some say that something or some planet has "gone Ori" and I always hear "gone awry." I wonder if it's deliberate.

[@mikesully52]

I'd bet money that the name was thought of first, then realized the pun and used it lol

[@1989Nihil]

By Oma and Athar, I thank thee for uploading this video. I'm taking a course this semester on the reception of the Book of Revelations in modern media, and we are allowed to each present an example. I, of course, choose Stargate, and of course will be talking about the Ori. Will be using this video as intro.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Sounds fascinating! Don't miss the reference to the "fourth horseman of the apocalypse" in the Season 9 mid-season two-parter.

[@1989Nihil]

@@GateWorldDotNet Guess, what? Held my presentation today, and despite minor inconveniences - my presenation partner being late due to public transport not behaving - and me being the dictionary definiton of stage-fright, it went well. I got to talk about Stargate to a room full of people who've (mostly) never heard of the franchise before.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@1989Nihil i hate when that happens, i mean when people don't know what stargate is. but what exactly did you talk about in your presentation?

[@1989Nihil]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w The course was about the reception of the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse of John in modern media. Like how tv shows, games, art pieces etc. make references to it, or use motifs from John's Apocalypse to drive their own narrative, or are outright based on it, the e.g. being Supernatural and Good Omens. As for my presentaion, I choose season 9 and 10 of SG1 because the for the Ori Arc, there were plenty of motifs used from the Book of Revelation, allthough it's evident, that there's no christ-like figure. Though you can point to Adria saying, she was virgin birth, and she was born way _waaay_ after the establishment of Origin. It's also not a monotheistic religion but a polytheistic one, though, they're always spoken about as collective, and no Ori is named individuualy, nor is it known if each of them rule over differnt aspects of life. They act as a monolith. The Ori religion knows the concept of the Day of Reckoning (the day the Ori will be able to defeat the wicked, aka. the Ancients), and promises all true believers to ascend and join the gods once that day has come, and live with them in their city Celestis. (We all know that's a lie). And... yeah... that was kinda it.... there was more but I don't remember it rn.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@1989Nihil it's rather funny because the Ori are both religious slavers and also remind you of what religions on earth speak about when it comes to the behavior of hell and satins minions. the Ori themselves are that monolithic nature, or in other words, the Ori are legion and they spread their message, but they kill all who reject their message. going back to earth religions, especially Christianity it all comes down to choice, and you are not forced to believe in god but you do need to abide by god's commandments if you want to return to him in the after life. like in some ways to some ppl they assume this of Christianity as a whole because there are family's out there who do exist and do use a more forceful approach when it comes to keeping their children in gods good graces but are viewed as evil because of their forceful ways in doing this, in which i would agree because it allows no free agency to make the choice on their own, and in my own opinion they are perverting the word of god when they use this tactic. i myself came from an Christian religion that gave us all the information, but also gave us a choice to follow or not. because god allows free agency to all his flock. but this was just my perspective from my religion. the Ori are not really a religion in this sense, as there is no choice presented and no free agency to speak of, but rather they are more like a cult through forced indoctrination and submission to that cult, and if you don't submit to their cult, than you must die.

[@the1tigglet]

Actually what happened was both species ascended the same way, but had different ideas about how to handle lower planes of existence. Despite this their ascension happened the same way. They balanced themselves and advanced their genetics to the point of ascension allowing their evolution into energy beings. Because these two species had different ideas, the Ori thought that the Ancients would attack them because that's what the Ori did to each other in order to determine who the dominant one is even after ascension the Ori didn't realize that their counterparts weren't interested in their destruction, they were more interested in policing the ascension process.

[@toomanyaccounts]

Jackson believed the plague that devasted the Milky Way ancients was caused by the Ori

[@koppanykohary1217]

Hallowed are the Ori!

[@JoelPit]

As a youtube creator myself I think I need longer videos myself. Its my only issue with you channel. Love your show

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Thanks for your comment, Joel. We're trying to do a variety of types and lengths of content on the channel, and the Wednesday Omnipedia videos are the short ones. They're meant to be like a quick encyclopedia entry, and not completely comprehensive (though, I must say, the next five or so that I have lined up will all be longer). The longer, deep-dive lore videos and lists are occasional, on Fridays.

[@JoelPit]

@@GateWorldDotNet nice I'm new to your channel I really enjoy the content. I'll have to watch more. Thank you for your hard work sometimes youtube is a pain.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

@@JoelPit Thanks for watching! It's great to hear what is working and what folks on the channel want to see more of.

[@lanaray729]

Ok now I’m going to have to re-watch the SG series !

[@NapFloridian]

I am on a Binge all the way from season 1... gosh what a ride

[@NapFloridian]

Me: sees Morena Baccarin Also Me: how can the Ori be Evil :)

[@erikkarlsson9192]

Last time I watched The Ark of Truth I thought that Morgan le Fay and Adria actually battled it out and both perished, though come to think of it, when Oma Desala and Anubis started fighting it was implied that they couldn't really kill eachother, but was in a deadlock and both pretty much had to give their full attention to eachother to not let the other get the upper hand. I suppose the same should be true about Morgan le Fay and Adria. Shouldn't other ascended being be able to help her out though? Though with their confusing rules it's likely they simply don't, I've actually started thinking the Ancients are kind of selfish, maybe not evil like the Ori, but generally just as selfish. I love the later seasons with all the Ascension stuff and moral dilemmas of interference/non-interference though. I actually had a pretty strong spiritual experience the second time around that I watched SG-1, when I was a teenager/young adult and high on weed.😇 I kind of got a flashback from when I was tripping hard on psychedelics once during the episode where Daniel got his memory erased IIRC. 😅

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

speaking of Daniel having his memory erased, they could have done the same with both Anubis and Adria that they did to Daniel, they could have descended both of them to the lower plane and erased all memory of who they once were, essentially a clean slate with no idea who they once were, of course with Anubis he started as a snake not a human so the human part get's to stay because that was the hosts body and not his. and they all live happily ever after.

[@DLordSadow]

I am pretty sure that the two of them destroyed each other in that battle. The reason Oma and Anubis couldn’t kill each other was because the Ancients prevented them from doing so. There was no such restriction regarding Adria or Morgan. They both went for the kill and both succeeded.

[@hurtigheinz3790]

I only watched the German subbed versions of Stargate and that's the first time I hear "Ori" being pronounced in English. I have to be honest: In German it sounds WAY cooler. (Same with "Teal'c")

[@Saalome84Blue]

...Julian Sands, Doci, RIP...

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

I can't help but wonder something. How does someone's worship actually grant power?

[@MissKashira]

My guess is it works similarly to how worships grants power in American Gods. The more people believe in something, the stronger that being is. After all, this is power in a realm of energy. No telling how mental energy works on their plane of existence.

[@liborohanka5010]

I have theory, ascension basically turns you into energy. Now, how do you become stronger? Be absorbing more energy? It would make sense, but that would mean, they could just go to sun, absorb energy, become bigger, absorb more etc. That would be basically unstable inteligent black hole. When Daniel ascent, they talk about as great journey and start, so ascendents aren't in end goal, but start. I believe, that getting energy isn't problem for them. Problem is controlling it and keep it in state, that is your new body. And what is limiting how much energy you can have? Probably mind, will or/and computing power etc. Antic are using for grow their mental grow, discoveries in universe and wisdom (could be one of reasons why the forbid meddling with mortal plane, it slow down your advancement). Ori use mental energy of their followers to grow bigger and control more energy. That would be different way for both fractions to grow in different means.

[@robertagren9360]

@@liborohanka5010 They're nanomachines like in Final fantasy the pyrefires are machines. The worshiping provide with input of instructions. pretty much the nano machines need humans to have a purpose. The nanites were created by the ancients and they ascended in different ways. Ori can possess a human as they are nano machines and essentially not living beings. That's why once ascended you can never be fully a living being again and why their priests look like zombies.

[@creech444]

R.I.P. Julian Sands

[@gobravo123]

Hallowed are the Ori.

[@ezrazonable4992]

Morgan Lafay haha sounds like a Hollywood stylist.

[@mothermakeup7481]

I don’t remember the last part happening. Was this in a different series other than SG1?

[@laurencehoffelder1579]

Its in the first SG1 film: Ark of truth

[@childrey14]

Fire explains why they were always full of anger lol

[@matthewdavies2057]

Hallowed be the Ori.

[@martinbennett8752]

The Adria/Morgana eternal conflict plot ending surely reflected the Anubis/Ancient eternal battle of SG? Coudn't the writers come up with something different? I always thought the acended ancients were so advanced they became idiots. I can relate to the 'non interference with material beings' policy, since once you start to tamper, the temptation to do more becomes irresistable, BUT to let the Ori have their own way - and not even think it might be necessary to intervene when they are converting the Milky Way Galaxy is crazy. The ancients might have no intention of destroying the Ori, but you don't base your policy on assuming that your enemies will keep to the same principle. In fact if you know that your enemy wants to kill you, you prepare, you do not go back to sleep and hope that nothing will happen or that what is happening on the material plane is nothing to do with you. Were it not for the mortals left to fight (with the aid of Merlin) the Ori WOULD have conquered, gathered sufficent power and eliminated the Ancients. Similarly they forced Anubis to descend - but keeping most of what he learned - then rather took the 'oh well nothing more to do here' when they might have at least tried to keep a watch on him. Even the Time Lords with their policy of non-interference had the CIA to discretely intervene when necessary.

[@chrisortega7521]

Odd thought/question, but, if both the Ori and Ancients exists on a higher plane of existence, why does it matter which galaxy they use the weapon in? Wouldn’t the Ori be beyond a galactic bounds? Perhaps it’s simply for the writers: “our galaxy has the ascended good guys, use the ascended weapon there, where the bad guy ascended live!”

[@GateWorldDotNet]

The show makes clear that ascended beings are not omnipresent but dwell in a relative area of space. Oma and Shifu even float through Stargates!

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

there are also other planes of existence in all forms of beings and probably exist in all galaxies. of course the show never got this far when it came to an explanation. but i'm willing to bet this is the direction they were headed when it came to that entity that created an entire solar system that shouldn't have existed within SGU. i mean think about it, they all have great power as ascended beings, but we never really got to see their full power and what they could do, now imagine that being that was creating planets and stars was an ascended being, and now were onto something. however they explain in the show that being an ascended being isn't all seeing and all knowing, but they have a much greater understanding of the universe than before being ascended. so it's entirely possible this entity is an ascended being separate from the Alteran or Ori ascended beings.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w stars and planets are something a tech advanced race could do.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@toomanyaccounts i guess that would depend on how advanced they are. but i'm still sticking with the ascended being idea, just not the same ascended beings that we are used to working with.

[@dantrav1927]

Wooooohooooo Amazon = Many new Stargate’s!!! Prove me wrong

[@liborohanka5010]

I have one thing, that I disagree with (not saying, I am right, just how I understand Ori). It isn't that (original) Ori were religious (because that would mean, that they gone from being good follower of God to taking place of your God), but simply ethical issues, that divided this civilization. Ori believed, that they should use their technological superiority to rule and oppress other (maybe using religion, like Ghoa'ulds), while Antic were more peaceful group, that wanted to focus on understanding of universe. They divided and both group populated galaxy with life (antic did it, when they arrived, so maybe they already did it one in home galaxy). Both ruled different way as mortals and ascendents. But it is more ethical and evolution question, that thing of faith vs science.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

How similar it is to reality

[@JaredLS10]

So does Oma and Morgan team up to finally finish off Adria and Anubis?

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

there is no conclusion for Oma or Anubis in cannon. but i figure Morgan stopped the OTHERS punishment on Oma, and honestly the whole idea of eternal combat was a stupid plot in the story, where they could have ended it by descending both of them to the lower plane of existence and erased all memory of their lives, effectively not killing them or destroying them, but allowing them to be reborn to never know who they once were.

[@phillipj1135]

You got the Q and there technology afterlife the Q continuum then you have Stargate where the mechanism for post physicality is built into the nature of the universe which suggest a lot. There's a old hienline book that has a race of beings who went dietific on there descendants. Bunch of other examples. You figured in Stargate the ascended humans could answer the questions the destiny project seeked answers for. Maybe a deeper reason the ori was accumulating power besides the eventual revenge tour. I read a book in which A.I built into shells of computronium around the sun inflated wormholes to create pocket dimensions for humans to live in relatively small ones which after lots and lots of research started to suggest things about the nature of the universe. The whole book was a alagory for things nested inside of other things like those Russian dolls. the a.i shells were going to be Dyson spheres nested inside of other Dyson spheres eventually. So many things left to answer in Stargate.

[@bigben8502]

Are you illiterate?

[@ezzieejedenawe]

What I don’t understand is why they have to be locked in combat for alll eternity?

[@SpottedHares]

I think it is interesting that like Lord of the Rings the Ori technically ares till around, the device doesn't kill or destroy them but renders them incapable to interact with out plan of existence by neutralizing their power.

[@Tap-a-roo]

you're wrong. The device created an interference wave that cancelled out the Ori. As in, eliminated them.

[@personbob8691]

Hallowed are the ori and I’m second

[@intheredcold9216]

How weird was Julian Sands death....

[@forevertj]

I would like to see a sequel where way in the future someone learns of the ORI and Adria. They learn that she is locked in an eternal battle because she no longer has worshipers. So they worship her to give her the power to defeat the other ascended being. When Adria triumphs, the worshipers will become new ORI and you can start it all over again. You can use a different actress. I would love that.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

the eternal combat thing was a stupid story plot hole. because another option existed that for some reason they never considered when it came to either Anubis or Adria. but they can always be descended with their entire memory wiped from existence giving them a clean slate, there is no need to kill them or fight until all eternity.

[@SioxerNikita]

Because circular stort series always works so well?

[@forevertj]

@@SioxerNikita I don't know if the do or not.

[@SioxerNikita]

@@forevertj They don't tend to. It ends up tired and annoying very quickly

[@Wardret]

Wonder if Ori could beat Wraiths

[@MissKashira]

The Ori would probably take away their need to feed in exchange for lifelong devotion.

[@specialnewb9821]

Yo, Bezos owns stargate. Up with the news content vid!

[@davidjones3165]

Hallowed are the Ori

[@jacara1981]

Lets hope Amazon buys MGM and greenlights Stargate series again.

[@christopherjones5446]

Considering what has happened with other IP’s over the past few years, I’d rather they not.

[@jacara1981]

@@christopherjones5446 it's the only hope Stargate has, MGM is bankrupt, they will let the IP die like WB has done with Babylon 5

[@christopherjones5446]

@@jacara1981 Better to let it die than bend the knee to some creative’s partisan agenda.

[@DamienDrake2940]

Prime is desperate for content in the Streaming Wars and they have the benefit of seeing how other Sci-Fi series have failed because of agendas so we are left to wait and watch.

[@dsnein]

I, like many others, would rather have it die than see some mediocre nepotistically hired talent write modern political commentary with scifi clothing.

[@sci-fisithdan2315]

This is why I love the Ori as an enemy. Religion in it's truest form is that of trying to do good and have a good moral code and spread it peacefully to all to worship(I know this For I'm somewhat religious to a degree.); However the Ori show how people with bad moral codes and are power hungry will twist religion to suit their own evil intentions all put on a mask that make it appear that they are good and have a good moral code and spread it peacefully to all to worship but in really they are just evil immortal people that are able to con good honest people to fellow they evil way.

[@MihzvolWuriar]

Religion is not the only way this happens, communism is the greatest example of this, pure evil disguised as salvation.

[@sci-fisithdan2315]

@@MihzvolWuriar and how do you know that did you study the Communist works of Karl Marks and become 1 until you found your way out and saw for how Evil it is.

[@MihzvolWuriar]

@@sci-fisithdan2315 I did study the nations under communism yes, because we all know the book is not the end result, and communism was *always* pure evil, independent of what the book said.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

religion was always about power and controlling the idiots. The first shamans could bullshit the warriors into protecting them and giving them food, and they could get woman without being strong or attractive.

[@Seorful]

Religion in its truest form is a tool for control. Take a look at history how different faiths came into existence. In the beginning it always served to instill an authority and rules onto a society.

[@janodefenua4603]

It sucks they never explored what theese higher beings are capable of, Are they like Q from startrek? Or weaker? We will never know i guess.

[@patsilverfang]

Ascension certainly didn’t make the Priors any smarter. They killed millions rather than take the time to build a religious following which would have helped the Ori reach their goals.

[@alisacheifot5284]

I always saw Origin and Ori are pretty much as Christianity and how it destroyed paganism whenever it went. In Europe for sure.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

probably because that's what it was clearly inspired by.

[@simonwillis1529]

Hallowed are the ori

[@JamieHitt]

I told you I had a dream about Amazon buying MGM. Wink, wink. Little birds are always talking to me.

[@damagedcharizardcollector1195]

Where’s your original post?

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

last year i figured it would either be either Amazon, youtube, netflix, all of them are main stream big tech platforms and all of them would have the funds to make the deal, but it worry's me, because i'm afraid they will destroy the series with the track record they have. so i'm hoping it won't be yet another woke broke joke and actually be something i like and want to support. but i probably shouldn't hold my breath on this.

[@anonymoose9315]

I don’t know if this has any merit or if you will see it but my theory on the four great races is that they were an early seeding of humans by the Alterans soon after they settled in the Milky Way. The Nox are partially ascended Humans that were one of the earliest seeded Alteran clients that were little changed. The Asgard were one of the younger seeds initially settled in the Milky Way but early on colonized Ida. The delved into genetic manipulation early on and gradually shifted from human to what they were in the show. Even the Salish Spirits were a seed from the Alterans and gradually changed over millions of years. The Furlings are probably my most radical thoughts. My head canon says that they were essentially what the Jaffa are. Marsupial like humans. They had the pouch in their stomachs from evolution or genetic manipulation and were the creators of the Gua’uld and possibly the Unas, Re’tu, and Re’ol, as servitor races and cannon fodder. Maybe they used these races as soldiers or slaves. Perhaps they attempted to use the Gua’uld for spying or infiltration to conquer others planets. That is possibly what brought them down and the Gua’uld enslaved them turning them into the first Jaffa. Just my thoughts. Wondering what you thought.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

that's an interesting theory, but i don't remember the species that your talking about, the Salish Spirits, i don't recognize this species, do you know what episode they came from? also it could be a interesting theory considering that the claim that all life ended due to the Ori plague and was reseeded using the Dakara weapon/seeding device. which i find a bit confusing, but that's what the lore says they did.

[@anonymoose9315]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w the Salish Spirits are from the season 2 episode “Spirits”. The Four Great Races could have preceded the reseeding with the Dakar’s weapon. Like the Asgard could have fled during the plague to Ida. Where they continued to evolve from their Human ancestry.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@anonymoose9315 the asgard weren't human, but they were humanoid in the effect that they had two legs and two arms and two eyes and ears. but they were another race, but they could have been an experiment that the Alterans created. ok the spirits episode, with the indian dude and the spirits who watched over his planet.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@anonymoose9315 it's kind of weird thinking about this. but in the lore, there is only one race the Alteran are responsible for creating, and that's the wraith. but i suppose it's possible.

[@anonymoose9315]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w the Alterans didn’t create the Wraith. They seeded humans on a planet where the native insect species fed upon and slowly absorbed human dna until they evolved into the Wraith species.

[@xxZerosumxx]

In my opinion they rushed the seasons with the Ori. They could of stretched it a few seasons more.

[@jamesporter7267]

The Ancients and the Ori are like gods and devils.

[@thejmhguy]

HALLOWED ARE THE ORI!

[@jackoneill8585]

adria and that other hottie why not end her surrfering as fighting adria forever just activate the weapon again wipe them both out.. heres the kicker it wont stop other humans from acending or other acended from milky way coming though to other galaxies etc

[@refulgent_fanta]

Here's an idea! What if the Ori are not as bad as they seem? They're still pretty evil, but we've seen several times in the show how the priors were twisting some stories from the Book of Origin to justify their atrocities.

[@dabass438]

It should be spelled Orai--what they've got would be pronounced Oh-ree!

[@unintentionallydramatic]

Ancients: We're a scientifically minded rational people that seek to evolve by understanding the universe. Also here is how we became gods through mystic ritual and ascetic practice. Ori: We're a devout, mystic people that believe in religion. btw we achieved our powers through natural evolution and science Season 9 & 10 were a mistake.

[@erikkarlsson9192]

Really? When was it implied that the Ori ascended through natural evolution and science while the ancients did it through mystic rituals and stuff? I mean we only really get to know how Daniel and some other humans got help and in those cases it seem to require some spiritually. In Atlantis that group of humans manages to ascend in that time bubble and they did a lot of meditating and stuff. But those were humans. We never actually get to know how the ancients themselves did it afaik and neither the Ori really, or am I missing something here?

[@erikkarlsson9192]

I suppose it does seem like the ancients were spiritual and stuff, but everytime Ancients have been shown, pre-ascension, they're not really spiritual and mystic and does not practice asceticism. Elizabeth Weir also says during some episode, can't remember exactly which off the top of my head, that "those rules only came after they ascended" or something along those lines. I can't really remember which specific rules she was referring to as I can't quite put my finger on which episode it was. But it does seem implied that they weren't the spiritual type at all before their ascension. It is implied that the Ori however was, but after their ascension they got more powerhungry when they practiced interference on the corporeal plain. I have however started to think that the Ancients might not be that much different to the Ori after all, that they do manipulate (just as Adria claims), only they do it in much more subtle ways, perhaps they started this spirituality thing to also "drain power from their followers", that the ancients need or at least is empowered by humans that is spiritual and stuff to become more powerful/knowledgeable and stuff. Like Carl Sagan (I believe it was Carl Sagan at least) once said, "we are a way for the universe to know itself."

[@yazanmowed]

@@erikkarlsson9192 You can even say that the Ancients’ subtle manipulation can explain Earth’s plot armor during the show’s runtime.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

ok so the Alteran first ascended using their tech to advance their biology to handle more information, but they eventually realized that anyone could do it and didn't really need to be super smart to do it, and that's when they embraced the meditation rituals but originally they did it through science and their tech. and to be honest i'm willing to bet the Ori did this as well, despite what some ppl think the Ori had technology, but the worshipers of the Ori had no access to this tech, only the Ori and the priors and the Doci had access to this tech. so i'm willing to bet that the Ori also used tech to ascend themselves.

[@ChristofFritz]

HEY PEEPS!!! AMAZON BOUGHT MGM!!

[@RabbitholeIsrael]

Sounds like nasa and masons

[@tracynickels164]

Leeches???

[@shubhamtiwari8881]

Ori much similar to islam today

[@maestroamonathan4279]

ori or scientologie 🤣🤣🤣

[@No-cg9kj]

I can easily binge seasons 1-8, but once I hit the Ori arc I stop caring and it takes months to get through 2 seasons. It's so awful. They should have just ended it with the destruction of the Goa'uld. The Ori story arc feels so forced and the fact that it took TWO characters to replace O'Neill is telling on its own. The Ark of Truth was a good movie, but that was basically 2 episodes worth of content. 2 seasons of Ori bullshit was too much, I hated it.

[@mnessenche]

Space Christians!

[@STELLVIA.]

So basically they’re Republicans vs Democrats 🤣

[@TitoTimTravels]

Yes, it was an obvious political statement at the time. I agree with the politics but always hated the Ori as bad guys. Love the series, hate the Ori. 😎

[@TitoTimTravels]

I love Stargate, but always hated the Ori. Very boring bad guys. It was more about making a political statement than good story telling. When I rewatch SG1, I skip the Ori episodes. 😎

[@NapFloridian]

You have to Watch the ORI as it has Morena B in it... she is hotter then a volcano...

[@bradhaaf4749]

The whole "Ori" thing made me think right wingers had taken over stargate and turned it into a religious show, didn't watch

[@GateWorldDotNet]

That's too bad -- it really was a natural evolution of where the show had come, through the Goa'uld storyline (evil aliens posing as gods) and the Ancients (benevolent or utterly disinterested beings who had ascended to a higher plane). The Ori combined these two and asked: What if there was a race of beings who not only posed as gods, but because they are super-powerful and dwell on a higher plane they effectively are gods? That posed what I thought was an interesting set of questions.

[@Todd.P]

@@GateWorldDotNet Interesting take on it. The whole "Ori" thing made me think left wingers had taken over Stargate and turned it into an anti-God show, and quit watching (I'm now watching it on Netflix though). Aside from the obvious fact that people don't simply "ascend" as the show portrays, it does illustrate the divide between the secular folks on the left and the religious folks on the right, especially when the ones on the left are writing the scripts and can paint the "right winger" religious people as evil and/or crazy, where as the cold logic of pure science always has the answer for everything (even though the "settled science" changes every other year or so).

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@Todd.P what's funny about this whole thing is i actually view the Ori with the belief system as the left wingers as communists as one in the same. do what we say, or die where you stand. let's be frank here the liberals aren't liberal anymore, they are straight up communists now and rule with an iron fist of authority and make up whatever they want about the other party and because they have systematic power now, they are the oppressor's of the majority ruling class. and the sad truth is, bad ideas are always paved with good intentions. and the left have become communists due to their good intentions. they are the Ori in reality. they follow the religion of communisim. and we are all going to die for it. but the only distinction that the left can point to the republicans being the Ori is they are religious and believe in a god, but that's pretty much where that distinction ends because they are nothing alike besides this small trait.

[@cobramcjingleballs]

More nonsensical stuff about religion vs science. The fundamental postulate of science is a universal creator that created universal laws. The fact these laws seems to be universal 400 years begs question of universal creator. The fact that the universal constants are arranged within 3% save gravity to make atoms and stars exist is a further proof of design. And design of life is a fact. The only choice is intelligence did it, or random mutations curbed by environment did it.

[@gbeatsmacedonia]

Ori -Orion our rullers lol thats who they are in reality..they do exist

[@deondewit3175]

Hallowed are the Ori!

[@RZDUX]

Hallowed are the Ori

[@jantheman4242]

Hallowed are the Ori