The Palworld vs Nintendo Drama has got MUCH WORSE !

[@LadyDecade]

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[@Okami404]

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[@jordancambridge4106]

Here is what most people don't realize. Palworld has some heavy backers now for their own personal reasons. Microsoft has already helped Palworld for exclusive rights and do to the fact that Microsoft hates Nintendo for many illegal actions Nintendo has done to them. Palworld is being released on Sony which helps Sony get over its nasty recent fuck up with fans where a little bit ago Sony pissed off a huge amount of fans with its Hell Divers scandal and backing an indie developer would be the very thing it needs to help its reputation and seeing as Nintendo pissed off Sony a lot especially with illegally getting Sony's magic wand controller removed from the market with illegal practices and other bullshit law suits Sony out right hates Nintendo. Google and Apple are going to be getting Palworld in phone release which would in fact be the biggest break through in merging the gap between console and computer gamers into the phone gaming market which well there has never been this kind of merging before and phone gaming companies really want this kind of merging because it would create hundreds of millions of new players to potentially billions of new gamers over time. So its in Google and Apple's interest to well deal with a serious enemy to them. Hell Google and Apple are still violently pissed off at Nintendo for the Pokemon Go scandals which most have forgotten about but Google and Apple have not. Back around 2010 Nintendo edited the coding of Pokemon go and would give players more balls and stuff without telling the people it would cost them money which ended up causing people's phone bills to go from like $50 to $60,000 and phone companies had to deal with the giant issue and instead of trying to weed out all of the bills they waved people's phone bills for 3 to 6 months and charged Google and Apple for the issues and Google and Apple had to deal with the bullshit that Nintendo caused and Pokemon Go basically died in popularity and Google and Apple are still violently pissed off having to pay billions for Nintendo being scumbags. So yea Palworld has very powerful allies for their own personal legit reasons. Nintendo bringing this law suit up can easily cause Google, Apple, Microsoft, Sony, and the entire world to come together to combine the pieces an summon Exodia to obliterate Nintendo once and for all then all of Nintendo's properties and assets will be split up between the Gods of Mega Corporations for their own personal interests. Also this law suit threatens Steam and all companies that created and own creature capturing mechanics so Microsoft, Sony, Google, Apple, and Steam have their own interests to keep making money at stake so they are literally going to war and Steam prepared the battlefield. Nintendo has pissed off the giant gods and this fight is not Nintendo against Palworld this is Nintendo against Palworld backed by Google, Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Steam, and the entire human race. Its in the mega god tier corporations to fire their death stars at the piss ant Nintendo for themselves to keep themselves in existence. Notice how Nintendo hasn't made a court date ready? Yea that is because Nintendo is trying to weasel a way to subvert the gaming industries. Now note if Nintendo is successful then Palworld has a way around the law suit anyway by moving its existence out of Japan and moving it fully to America or somewhere else because how Patent laws works is interesting. The entire world allows each country to make is own patents but they have to follow a bit of guild lines such as you can't be to broad and you have to be civil and quite a lot of other rules as well that make things nicer for people to follow. If Nintendo wins this lawsuit Japan will be in blatant violation of basically every single rule which would cause either Japan to over throw the ruling and basically shut Nintendo down and declare Nintendo's actions pure evil and fine the living shit out of Nintendo or Japan can get kicked out of the World Patent Agreement or at the very least severely sanctioned. Basically if Nintendo loses the law suit then Nintendo can get super sanctioned. If Nintendo wins Japan loses its legitimacy in the world and risks being kicked out of world treaties which would destroy their entire reputation in the world and Japan would be declared an enemy to the world nation and all trade with Japan would be gone instantly and Japan will die as country and all patents that were owned in Japan would be a giant free for all. So if Nintendo loses they lose badly and if Nintendo wins Nintendo loses badly. Nintendo doing this shit is so bad that Nintendo fucked up to the point where Nintendo risks being removed from existence as a company weather it wins or loses Nintendo loses.

[@excaliburnorth446]

@@LadyDecade love it

[@boredboar]

Anubis, unlike Lucario, has plantigrade feet instead of digitigrade. You can see Anubis feet firmly planted on the ground like a person's, and legs are more straight like that of a person's. Also Anubis has five digits on his hands rather than the paw like three that Lucario has. I think people are just so ingrained with Lucario's design that they immediately jumped to this thought and idea.

[@DragonmasterKeel]

they are both based on the same thing the literal Anubis, so idiots think that makes them the same

[@gregajohnson1985]

it's not Pokemon with guns. it's Ark with DRAGON QUEST cartoon animals. oh wait, did i credit the original designs too much? Dragon Quest should sue Pokemon.

[@oratank]

thery are different enough that's the reason why Nintendo used Patents not character copyright because they won't win the case if used character copyright as same as Dragon Quest won't sue Pokemon

[@NormanReaddis]

Someone knows gaming. Yep it's literally Ark instead of Dinosaurs it's cartoon creatures. Don't get me started with Dragonball or capsule monsters with that ball mechanic. Nintendo fanbois would think Pokemon is the first

[@Scarcheeze]

Nintendo owns dragon quest

[@Arnung]

@@Scarcheeze dragon quest is a squar enix game, and then there is also shin megami.... xD

[@TheTrueNehme]

I'd argue it's just pokemone uncensored. pokemon with the kid gloves fully removed.

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

Palworld is not Pokemon with Guns, it's ARK Survival with Pokemon

[@ProfessorWaifu]

Even if Pocket Pair described it as such themselves?

[@harvus796]

It's definitely Ark with Pokémon at gameplay level. Pokémon with guns is more of an aesthetic statement than a gameplay one. The breeding system. The guns. The base building. Etc. Etc. Etc. It's got much more Ark DNA at a gameplay level.

[@andrewcool4587]

Your high.

[@harvus796]

@@andrewcool4587 you're* If you can't spell words right, and do halfway decent at grammar, you discredit your argument. Maybe stop trying to insult me and actually try to listen to what I'm saying, probably get you further.

[@nullpoint3346]

@@ProfessorWaifu Pray tell, when did PocketPair compare their game to Pokemon?

[@Sukotto82]

I say we sue Nintendo for using the likeness of anubis. Egypt should sue Nintendo for that if this nonsense is accepted.

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

I threw a ball at our dog in a three-dimensional space when I was six, before Pokemon was made. I should sue Nintendo.

[@UltimateDragonX9999]

Love that you Cosplay officer Jenny for this video about the legal battle between Nintendo and Palworld. :)

[@retromeister3709]

😍😍😍

[@EnvyDSin]

Officer Jenny was already based but Officer LD? As the "Gs" hot damn!!!

[@xerofetus]

Where is Officer Jenny from?

[@thekita6774]

​@@xerofetus The pokemon anime

[@xerofetus]

@thekita6774 thanks, I really only play Pokemon GO because it's based on the other Niantic game Ingress. 1 of my portals in Ingress is a poke stop in GO!

[@MrGonz801]

I think Microsoft should step in. Not only was Palworld a day 1 game pass game (which means they potentially helped fund it), but World of Warcraft has had those same mechanics that Pocket Pair is being sued for. Also, Tem Tem, Nexomon, Crystal Monsters, Dragon Quest Monsters, Digimon Story and Medarot have been doing all these things for decades.

[@HaughtyToast]

Yeah, this is the main problem with it. It shows that this isn't about protecting IP but shutting down a specific competitor. Though apparently Japan's legal culture around this sort of thing also has an honor element to it and companies are more likely to push these things on competitors that are disrespectful, which to be fair, Pocketpair have been to Pokemon by heavily ripping elements of their designs (apparently retroactively as testimony from one of the designers claims the original unique designs were purposely changed without the original artists consent or input to resemble existing Pokemon) and the creators openly taking jabs at Pokemon online. With the amount reveled, it's starting to feel more like a mock charge. Something that is more meant to make Pocketpair and other companies aware that they're willing to take action in specific circumstances. I'm not even sure if they actually expect to win or not.

[@yuishishido8780]

@@HaughtyToasthere’s the thing, Pokemon themselves ripped off the game design and mechanics from the original Dragon quest, from the mechanics to the design of the original Pokemon.

[@dra6o0n]

@@yuishishido8780 The only reason why Japanese major corpo don't fight one another is because the truth is that they have ties to one another like those wealthy corporate parties and whatnot. They are more willing to fix prices and cooperate under the table, than to allow more competitors to usurp their influences.

[@Dragonking1984]

@@dra6o0n Exactly that's what this is about crushing anyone who dares bring serious competition against the established order. If this was all happening with US companies it would be slapped down as monopolies. But because this is in Japan where the laws are different they tend to get away with it.

[@williamfugimoto8526]

Watch other people who understand legal stuff and the game industry, that way it will make more sense. Also, the one who made things worse was Sony, if you know you know. Try to ask yourself why things happen the way they happen, if the answer is simple than you got it wrong, things go WAY deeper.

[@Damien-ry1ko]

There was a time when Nintendo wasn't so stuck up their own ass and suing everyone and their mother, that was the 90's, otherwise explain Digimon which was released in 1999, Pokemon was released in 1995 Nowadays Nintendo is a patent troll, not a gaming company 😅

[@blackhandkellyreturns5560]

Technically Digimon existed before pokemon was released (as tamagotchi-style toys, but still). Though yeah, nintendo has become quite nasty, probably fearing another playstation situation.

[@oratank]

how to sue Digimon it's completly different from Pokemon. also Nintendo havn't sue Yokai watch, Monster farm ,Tem Tem ,Coromon either

[@williamfugimoto8526]

They didn't have the biggest IP in the world in their hand then. Yes, for those of you who don't know, Pokemon is the biggest IP in the world, with more than double the numbers of the second place. And watch other people who understand legal stuff and the game industry talk about it, things will make more sense. Sony probably made things way worse.

[@ethbeatthem4836]

Digimon respected Pokémon and gave friendly competition. Palword lead developer insulted all Pokémon artist before releasing Palword. When Pokémon Company and Nintendo feel disrespected they get lawyers involved real fast.

[@fattiger6957]

Except in the 90s, Nintendo was busy bullying publishers into draconian agreements. Those agreements also kneecapped their competitors. That's why so many publishers were happy to do business with Sony.

[@oggeboogie9018]

It’s funny, it’s almost like they forgot about all the new things they added to pokemon, such as mega maxing, if that makes sense at all. In pokemon they have people that own pokemon to fight with, uniformly, collect and level up the pokemon. Well as in palworld they have much more use and differ with that, such as different forms of travel and overall style pokemon has never had and the fact they even have use outside of battle other then a ‘side quest’, breeding and travel, even though possible. Ideas sparked by palworld, with the journey pokemon has brung, I really don’t think it does add up, palworld has violence, and is an open world, even the fact some pals share similar traits of pokemon is just a piece of art looked at wrong or misinterpreted. To keep it simple I have played palworld, I have played pokemon. Both are differing games with multiple things alike that are different from each other, such as visual sights, and also feel for the quest line!

[@alopexau]

As much as I hated seeing Nintendo go after Yuzu and Ryujinx, I can at least understand why they would want to stop free alternatives to their current system that is still in it's active life cycle. I honestly think Switch emu devs should have kept them private, or limited access until after the system had been superceded. But this? There is NO defense for Nintendo's actions here, this is petty in the extreme, it's bullying nonsense that only hurts gamers. I sincerely hope they lose the lawsuit and learn a valuable lesson.

[@ATAndreiThomas]

As much as I'm a long serving Nintendo/Pokémon fan, but this is really getting out of hand, i will NOT Tolerate Nintendo's disgusting bullying tactics on small indie gaming companies like Pocketpair and Palworld and I admit that I enjoyed playing Palworld on my PS5 and I truly respect pocketpair for what they've delivered was a amazing refreshing game for what Nintendo, the Pokémon company and game freak failed to do. They need to focus on making Pokémon games better and it's good to face competition.

[@DrJ3RK8]

Yeah, well... I invented the question mark. BTW: Nice video. Getting tired of ALL ridiculous litigation in the world. Love Nintendo's games, but they're really making an enemy of a LOT of people. They need to lose more cases...

[@jeffreysherman8224]

I hate how people are still saying Pokémon with guns AFTER the game's come out. Everybody knows better now. It's NOT Pokémon with guns, it's Ark with Pokémon-like creatures.

[@Livinglarge2theend]

18:05 they don't give a damn about the guns they're upset because Palworld made 3D pokemon for half the budget with better graphics LOLOLOL

[@anasevi9456]

not just better graphics, but less buggy and just not a lazy pile of dogsh!t like Scarlet and Violet, Sword and Shield were lazy but Gamefreak just has no shame these days. F them and F nintendo, wish the Japanese legal system was so stupid regarding IP because they both deserve to punch sand on pokemon clones these days.

[@TheTrueNehme]

_and_ far more substance. 😂 Pokemon on the other hand, has been nothing but the same game with slightly fresher paint on a slightly bigger canvas every other release. 💀

[@DarkRaikon]

and animations, i would say better animations but what animations do the pokemons have? xerneas Twinkle tackle come in mind.....

[@DFjef]

the patents have been filled after pocketpairs last game, which had those mechanics already. nintendo is cooked. nintendo might win over sony over astrobot tho. that one is a big whut

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

@@DFjef I have just about zero faith in the courts properly taking this into account. They are famously inclined to pro-establishment rulings, and the establishment in this case is Nintendo.

[@BlackWolf-uk2yb]

Under those Patents Nintendo would have 'ownership' of practically every game in existence!!! This would fall foul of anti-competition laws right? I haven't touched my Switch since the launch of this Lawsuit.

[@mightypancake2211]

One would think, after all the defenders try saying it was only to pokemon, when the "Pokeball" could apply to war games. The mount could apply to any game that you summon in a mount and ride Aiming could apply to war game.

[@travisv6408]

Since they started after emulation around 2020 is when I stopped all nintendo and sold off all my consoles and carts. Their even worse now. Good riddance to a crappy greedy company!

[@TrixyTrixter]

of note, they already got your money for the switch. No reason to leave it to rot now, just do not give any more money to them while you play what you do have.

[@ProfessorWaifu]

anti competition laws, Does Japan have those?

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

In the US and most if not all western countries... yes, this might even have been thrown out as frivolous suit, and they probably would not have gotten those patents to begin with. But this is not US law, or western.

[@kbd261]

Kinda hard to play pokemon after playing palworld ...

[@fiercethedragon]

Nintendo just doesn’t want to be forced to get more creative with the dying franchise that is Pokemon. I’ve always been a creature lover…it originally started with dinosaurs but then it blossomed into a love for everything else thanks to a now dead educational/gaming card collection known as Weirdn’Wild Creatures. By the way, if anyone has every single damn one of those cards, I’ll pay very well for those-however, my financial situation is complex and I can’t have any more than $2000 in my account or the cash stops coming in so I’m sure we can come up with a price as long as shipping and taxing costs don’t exceed the total with said card collection-anyway, the point is I never gave a 💩 about Pokemon and I didn’t care for Palworld when it was released and was even less interested with it until this lawsuit situation because of the threat it posed to gaming as a whole. I actually also just bought Palworld two days ago on my PS5 because I want to support Pocket Pair as much as I can. I really hope they fight back given the fact that these ridiculous patents weren’t even made until after Palworld released.

[@Alexindiegamedev]

I am an indie dev myself and if I knew the devs behind palworld, I would tell them to play as dirty as Nintendo does get the devs of Megumi Tensei to sue Nintendo for copying them to make pokemon

[@arkavix9758]

This could be an opportunity for pal world to originate their own pals or they can look at digimon as aspiration, from baby-head pals to champion evolution etc

[@Gomorragh]

there is no morally grey area in this, none of the patents that are being sued for existed in the time of release for palworld, nintendo and pokemon company are activly trying to steal ideas that they have, already in thier own statements said they do not have the technical ability nor the programming ability to make themselves

[@dpb9652]

I would love the day when a mass, global boycott causes Nintendo lots of problems...

[@Gr1mTid3]

My question is just how was these patents allowed to be registered; Secondly Nintendo and Pokomon should just remember if they win this lawsuit they will lose the war as people (gamers) will place their products under extreme scrutiny even possibly going so far as to boycott them.

[@Flask-l1b]

The problem with the Lucario and Anubis comparison is that they are both based off of a god with unique features so there's only so much you can do with that also if anything Sensei Anubis is actually the same name as the God and looks more genuine like what the God would look like you can make an argument that Lucario copied off of him As for the sheep pals and Pokemon they are just simple designs they both look like chubby sheep and if you consider that they both are Japanese companies it would make sense why their monsters look so similar they both take from their culture

[@DragonmasterKeel]

the sheep aren't even similar one is a sheep-like ball that walks on two legs with hands the other one is not much different than a normal sheep that walks on four legs

[@soapman55]

atlus could sue pokemon for sueing palworld for using there assets cause atlus was the original creators of the monster collection genre

[@rrw1981]

Is Monster Hunter next?

[@RachelRichards]

Genius idea to dress like Officer Jenny for this video. I love it. Thank you for keeping fun and creativity alive!

[@yoshimasterleader]

Missed opportunity to dress as a PIDF officer

[@maddire2585]

Nintendo are bullies. Look what they did to Yuzu

[@napoleonfeanor]

I think it's legit with emulation of current consoles. I however think old games and consoles should be allowed.

[@mightypancake2211]

Yuzu only got in trouble cause someone was a moron with a game not even released yet. Also its current console so they have some legal head way there.

[@maddire2585]

@ so apparently Nintendo now owns the yuzu domain so technically its not circumventing anything if you use yuzu as you are using official Nintendo software 😂

[@travisv6408]

​@@maddire2585and they own ryujinx domain as well!

[@oratank]

Yuzu tried to make money out of it so its on them

[@timothykennedy7407]

I don't care how much like pokemon it is it's not pokemon. This lawsuit is pushing me to swear off Nintendo products and games. It's sad I love pokemon have since I was a child. With gaming companies acting like this how are we supposed to get any good games. It's stifling the creativity and growth of the industry. Greed will always ruin anything good.

[@williammcleroy558]

They had no problem with Ark's cryopods or Craftopias creature capture mechanics... Palworld was what people wanted so they got butthurt that it was successful. Plus, I guess Ark's cryopods weren't exactly for taming. So fair enough..

[@christaylor4786]

The success is making them nervous. Especially after Palworld announced that they were going to be expanding it and got a deal with Sony. Instead of learning something they decided to attack and intimidate. There is so much Pokémon can do if they would just listen to fans and really spend some time trying to make their games better instead of just putting in a new gimmick that they will abandon in the next game.

[@HimitsuYami]

I'm only at 10:11, but let me boil some things down real simple like. First, the guy who cried AI first has since admitted that was bullshit and they were mad over something else. There never was any real case for the AI. Second, the lawsuit is over patent infringement. This is game mechanic related and has NOTHING to do with the designs of the Pals. If it *were* related to the designs of the Pals, Nintendo would be taking them to court over copyright, not patent. Based on that fact alone, we can reasonably conclude Nintendo recognizes they won't have a leg to stand on with regards to the designs. As a third, bonus fact, it's highly probable that the reason why some of the designs are so similar is that they both stem from the same original inspiration. Ie Lucario and Anubis both pulling from ancient Egyptian mythology

[@rainbowdarth]

Nintendo shouldn't even own those patents in my opinion because they didn't originally come up with those ideas. We have decades of games that use those mechanics even outside of creature collecting.

[@cursedclash]

Nintendo is doing this to Spite Sony cause they offered a deal to Pocketpair, that is the real reason, cause Nintendo has a vendetta against Sony

[@Nyonben]

God, I hate Nintendo. Haven't made a good/original game in decades and literally just beat dead horses for cash. Disgusting.

[@christianmckee2116]

Remember when Pokemon threw a hissy fit and decided to rip-off Yo-kai Watch for the entirety of Gen 7 after YW kicked their ass in Japan? I do. I guess for Pokemon Company, GameFreak, Creatures Inc., and Nintendo, completely ripping off a smaller IP like YW and doing its ideas worse is fair game, but when a smaller IP like PalWorld uses some of Pokemon's ideas and does them way better, that's not okay. It's beyond hypocritical. That's me ignoring the other bit of hypocrisy of Pokemon doing this shit when its entire identity was stolen from Megaten, Dragon Quest, and Ultraman, all of which came out LONG before Pokemon was even an idea.

[@christianmckee2116]

The whole lawsuit is complete horseshit, but I guess when a large company like Nintendo sues a smaller company like Pocketpair, courts are willing to be corrupt enough to let Nintendo's evil actions pass. I hope to God that Pocketpair wins this and humbles Nintendo's arrogant asses.

[@gamerchick7424]

I like Shin Megami Tensei more than Pokémon. Omg I had a Weirdo complain that didn’t list Pokemon on my top ten of RPGs. I told him Pokemon is just over hyped and he said I am poser and don’t love RPGs. I said lol okay. I play Pokémon but it’s not my favorite. I rather be playing Dragon Quest or Tales of

[@retrogamerdave362]

love the costume, a much needed update on a controversial issue to be sure

[@Shenvalleyboi]

It would be one thing if they were suing over character design similarities (which apparently weren't close enough to hold in court, but atleast were honest complaints), but these patent claims are so garbage. I hope this backfires so hardcore on Nintendo in court. To begin with the game mechanics that are being patented are mechanics that revolve around monster catching mechanics specifically in 3d open world environments, and Pocketpair actually used those specific game mechanics first in their first monster hunter game Craftopia, and then in Palworlds beta's and eventually Palworld itself, only Pocketpair weren't a-holes who want to patent all their game mechanics because they wanted open creativity. Pockemon then first used those same specific mechanics in their Arceus game 2 years after Pocketpair used them first in their own games. Then this year 2024 over several months, after Palworld started doing well, and Sony started looking to team up with them, Nintendo/Pokemon, began filing legal patents for game mechanics first created and used by Pocketpair, since no one had patended them yet, and are now using those patents to sue Pocketpair for using their own intellectual property, by claiming it now belongs to Nintendo. If this lawsuit doesn't outright come down hard on Nintendo once this gets to court, it will set a horrible precedent that any game company, or any type of company in general, can patent another company's creations, and then sue them for using their own creations, just because they weren't stingy, and wanted to share.

[@anthonydavis5826]

If Nintendo loses this lawsuit the next step I see them taking is trying to buy the company that makes Palworld out and force the game to move to the Switch instead of Xbox and PC. But that would be such a wildly unpopular move I’m not sure if they’d actually go that far.

[@malikfoxen2045]

Doubt it, Sony's already partnered with Palworld, nothin stoppin em from making a counter offer if Nintendo steps in, and Sony will be the devil pocketpair knows, and also the one who hasnt sued them. Personally Id rather Nintendo have made an offer to buy them, so they can coexist in the market, and pocketpair wouldnt have to lay down with Sony.

[@TrixyTrixter]

Switch literally could not run the game. It is way to under powered.

[@zenvariety9383]

​@@TrixyTrixterhowever, the Switch 2 could. Honestly, Nintendo is overstepping here.

[@ackiena3031]

Palworld sided with Sony not happening

[@malikfoxen2045]

@@anthonydavis5826 Comment was deleted for some reason. The gist: If Nintendo goes that route. I'm most certain Sony would make a better counter offer, as much as I don't like Sony, and I think Pocketpair would at this point choose a Sony offer over a Nintendo offer even if the Nintendo offer is better by a small enough margin.

[@nicodemous52]

I am disgusted by Nintendo, but there are a couple points I wanted to add. The specific patents were filed after the release of Palworld is partly true. They were actually part of a much larger patent previously, in Japan you can do that, have like a giant all encompassing patent, then break it down into smaller, more specific ones over time. And, Pal World is partnered up with Sony. I find it hard to believe that Sony won't back them up finically in court. If for no other reason than they still have bad blood with Nintendo.

[@owenfautley]

That is why they have gone after them. If Sony had stayed out Nintendo would have never started this lawsuit, it is now another proxy war between Nintendo and Sony over Sony's grudge of not being able to own Nintendo through the Japanese business practice of favours. It works like prison favours bigger guy helps you now they own you.

[@geminitiger01]

One KZbinr said it best “It is easy to be the best there ever was when there is no competition.” Quite a few Pokémon are based on design of other games, mythology, and retired mascots. Pokémon made the patents after Palworld was out and a big hit. Just some digging and it is obvious that Nintendo is doing this cause they are worried that this will steal away there fans since it is a huge hit which is not what happened. Nintendo doing this has only lost them fans except for Japan. Japan is behind Pokémon on this lawsuit so having Japan handling this case could end up on Nintendo winning all through favoritism

[@ZedtheRedRaven]

I am glad that someone like her was able to explain this in detail while keeping it simple

[@KabukeeJo]

Isn't Pokemon a copy of another game? If so, Nintendo has no right to cry and complain about Palworld.

[@danielmalinen6337]

The mounting system for mounting, riding and dismounting is so general in video games that it should be public domain at this point and not owned by Nintendo for Pokemon Legends Arceus.

[@electrobob992]

Just like if they patent racing, or jumping just because they are mechanics in various mario games.

[@christaylor4786]

The thing that doesn't make sense is that you don't actually ride the "mounts" you catch like in Palworld. You earn ride Pokémon. That's totally different I don't understand how this can even be disputed. It's not at all the same.

[@ManFromThePits]

It's not the uniform - it's the lady wearing it.

[@joshuamtzchz2596]

Si a huevo

[@novacorponline]

I really hate the "Lucario vs Anubus" comparison. They look literally nothing alike. The only similiarity between them are that they both have three toes. Every single other design element is different. Different clothes, different leg styles, different color schemes, different color pallets, different color patterns, one has paws for hands with spikes, the other has human hands, etc etc etc etc... To claim Anubus is "too close to lucario for comfort" would be to say that no monster collecting game can ever design a bipedal animal-based creature at all. This is, incidentally where a lot of other comparisons also trip up. People arguing such ridiculous ideas such as "Pokemon owns the concept of sheep, in general. Completely."

[@TrixyTrixter]

Absolutely agree. "Lucario vs Anubis" "Wooloo vs lambal" "Shaymin vs jolthog" The only thing in common is similar source inspiration, sheep, hedgehog, bipedal jackal/Ancient Egyptian god.

[@joseeduardopinabarbosa2150]

She's just looks so cute in whatever costume she wears!❤

[@wirlogx]

In other words: "Nintendo hates successful INDIE games" I hope this hurts their relation with independent developers and people start to avoid publishing on their consoles with the fear of being sued. Metal Slug Tactics uses a mechanic that is patented by Nintendo... did they do something?? the answer is NO. This means that Nintendo is being petty with Palworld

[@Krendall2]

Let's be honest, Nintendo hates any successful game that's even remotely similar to one of theirs, but games from other AAA developers are either too different and/or those companies have a enough money that Nintendo knows it's not worth the attempt. Palworld has a lot of of similarities to Pokemon that they believe they could swing a judge/jury their way, and an indie company would have a hard time financially battling Nintendo in court, so Nintendo's going for it. This will result in gate-keeping for games, where if a developer wants to make a game remotely similar to major IP, they need to have a major publisher attached to avoid lawsuits.

[@Ippotsuko]

its actually crazy how much nintendo hates consumers, they're just attacking palworld because it's a better and more innovative game than any pokemon game we've gotten since like gen 4 outside of maybe legends arceus which was basically an unfinished game. patents that halt creativity and innovation in games should not exist, i'm all for copyright and intellectual property protection but when you start trying to take an entire genre for your own when you didn't even create that genre then that's just insane.

[@BlackWolf-uk2yb]

Surely the question to be adjudicated would be "Would this stand under the Original Patent, in existence at the time of the Games development/release, prior to any of the 'patent amendments'" right? Since it could not reasonably be argued that the Devs should have taken into account any 'clarifications/amendments' that didn't yet exist right?

[@outsider2638]

So much for creativity and innovation due to copyright enforcement... pfff

[@jackbpace]

I think it disgusting that the corporate giants of game distribution stifle the creativity of the gaming industry with lawsuits, and more disgusting that the courts allow them to do so. Instead of focusing on spending their profits on talented developers that can make their games better than indi companies, they spend millions to destroy their competition instead, putting out crap games instead of quality products. Nintendo had $12 billion in revenue last year. They did just downgrade their expected profits for this year though, to on a mere $2.36 billion, due to declining switch sales. I guess it is hard for a company like Nintendo to survive on $2 billion profit. But like all mega corps, their real customers are the stockholders, not the people that buy their products - at least until they F around and find out like Bud Light did.

[@SOGTrueBeliever]

Nintendo have long had a reputation of aggressive lawsuits to shut down things they don't like. Yes Pokémon is one of the well know monster catcher games but they aren't the only ones and they have got lazy and very formulaic with their games. Pokémon had years to do something similar to pal world but they didn't, and instead of welcoming fresh ideas into the genre and the competition from other monster catcher games they are trying to shut them down. I hope Nintendo lose, their ego and hubrious are out of control and they need a reminder that Pokémon isn't the only good monster catcher and in fact may be lacking when compared to it's competition

[@Mechazoid5116]

Pokemon is the only consistently released unpolished video game frachinze they make at Nintendo.

[@dracabro]

All I can say is, Nintendo needs to lose this lawsuit badly; so all those Nintendo has attacked over the years can finally get some bit of justice. Frankly Nintendo hasn't listened to fans, they keep on destroying things the players enjoy, putting a bad taste in people's mouths. I just say boycoott Nintendo until they start listening to gamers like Indie developers do.

[@snintendog]

pokemon fangames OUT SHINE official releases. ANd thats the worst thing.

[@Alexindiegamedev]

Nintendo & pokemon are just salty, cause they want to continue making the same exact lazy game story every year with minor differences, they hate the idea of anyone making a better game or story

[@mver191]

You may arrest me any time.

[@Shadowhacker5]

it so dumb this game is not stealing any sails from Nintendo, you know any pokemon fan will still buy the next game release.

[@pokemaniacdavid]

I haven’t seen a officer jenny cosplay pulled off this well since Rattle pulled it out

[@Himegw]

Its your best cosplay so far, its so fun. I heard on yt that palworld belongs to sony now. Like pokemon company belongs to nintendo

[@blakenelson4158]

Whoever said they must have used ai to develop the game clearly don't know about Craftopia a game pocket pair worked on before Palworld wich has moster capturing by throwing an object at the monsters with catch rates with numbers on it. no infringement claims on that game.

[@blazermettro2059]

I dont know if you heard, but that same person was found out to be a liar, and they publicly apologized and said they only did it because Palworld apparently promotes animal abuse.

[@snintendog]

@@blazermettro2059 that 8 different accounts that have done this for the same reasons BTW. 1. a rando artist inJP, a"3Dmodeler" in Canada, 2. A Britbong claiming to be a lawer, 3. double wammy a bribong claiming to be in parliment, 4. some crazy stop oil guy in the US, 5. another crazy in the US saying they are an artist that worked on it, 6.some gun nut saying they stole the gun models from unity...(BTW nothing matches the models are 100% unique and are crazy detailed AF with saftey and trigger discipleine Animations) 7. a Freelance programmer in the US that worked on fivver 8. a massive nintendo stan that went on manually eddited wrs and still failed to show that they line up it was so bad people ripped the models themselves and showed how badly he tried to edit them, and then said he did it because he was depressed then deleted his account.

[@christaylor4786]

Dang...what weirdos.

[@dafneorlow]

Nintendo are a bunch of "C U Next Tuesday's"

[@WillowRayne89]

a bola is a tool comprised of 3 balls connected by a rope when thrown it nonletahally captures a creature, mounting a creature for travel, is equstrianism.

[@WillowRayne89]

Nintendo/Pokemon cannot and do not own animal husbandry

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

Asking me if I think Nintendo is justified? Well, sharing the fact this has pushed me to put Nintendo on my permanent boycott list as a former (but long wavering) fan and someone who owns multiple Nintendo consoles and games... What do you think I think about this? I will literally never give them a penny for the rest of my life and will encourage anyone else with whom the subject arises to adopt the same policy. I'm not even much of a fan of Palworld, put like twenty hours in and haven't touched it since.

[@BrendanMolloy-r1z]

love the officer look. and i know its probably nit picking since we are probably talking brit law and us with two companies that im pretty sure are japanese. but i know here the stealing of simalure design to that level here is copy right foul. it doesnt have to be 1 to 1 accurate to be a foul.

[@itsdeonlol]

L Nintendo...

[@stormstrider]

As a pokemon supporter since the Grey brick, I would have had no issue supporting both pokemon and palworld simply for the nostalgia shot. but if Nintendo is going to both offer an inferior product AND stamp out creativity? My wallet will close to them. I don't mind going steam exclusive and supporting the many other monster catchers out there.

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

I've already decided to close my wallet to them. And the outcome of this case won't change that, they have shown their character already. Want to play good pokemon games? There are free downloadable fanmades that are better than anything Nintendo ever made, at least for those who are fine with the look and feel of the Gameboy era of pokemon (which of course was the best anyway, OBJECTIVELY).

[@electrobob992]

Yeah... I have a feeling they are doing this because their next pokemon game IS buggy as heck and they don't want Pocketpair to make them look bad. Jokes on them... The game has offline mode, custom server AND mod support. All the closing would do, would be fans keeping the game updated and spread around. Nintendo does NOT OWN palworld, so they wouldn't be able to C&D those reuploads. Same with any Palworld fan games, which could be Pokemon ones remade with Pals instead.

[@snintendog]

@@electrobob992 Legends Z-A in the Tera Leak is Reported to be 100% complete ouside of english translation... It is also reported its Buggy AF LAggy AF and still "fun" according to the leaker.

[@Darmoth85]

Mommy Decade, what are you doing with those handcuffs? UwU

[@thatsnotoneofmeatsmanyuses1970]

Nintendo hasn't done anything that would interest me enough to buy a console for since SNES days. From my point of view, the fact that Nintendo has secured these broad mechanics patents (like steeds), means that they intend to hold the whole industry hostage. They won't sue everyone, but it will always be a risk, and stifle creativity and innovation.

[@F0rg0tten87]

I really hope that Nintendo is going to back up or they fail in court. I haven't played Palworld, but I've seen Stepson playing it. I've seen striking similarities for Pokemon games, but still, it's own like game for sure. Nintendo doesn't have the right to capitalize on the monster catching like games, and it would be right if other countries try to help Palworld creators financially get through the Nintendos tyrannical actions. I almost expected that Nintendo may lawsuit against Genshin Impact for similarities of striking graphical similarities or stamina/gliding mechanics, but that never happened.

[@herico33]

What NINTENDO is doing should be BANNED and IT IS IN FACT ILEGAL! Only in JAPAN this kind of sh1t happen? their gob is so sus

[@snintendog]

worst part is in japan lawsuits are flying all over the place since nintendo did this. They set a precedent and all work is Halting Indies cant even speak up in fear of being targetted at this point. Goverment has a major crisis right now and may step is and just shut all these patents down for the sake of peace.

[@herico33]

@ oh I wish!!! This all it’s just way to ridiculous! And not only bad for gaming industry, but for everyone, Imagine you won’t be able to use any mouse animal in a movie Because Disney owns a “mouse” it’s just bunkers!!! Wtf

[@Toshinegawa]

Hey Lady Decade, I got a joke for you. According to her police report, what did Officer Jenny cite as the cause for the house fire in Pallet Town? There was a Ghastly in the house

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

Show me a pokemon you can use as a weapon Foxsparks in palworld can be used as a flamethrower. Also i'm pretty sure digimon has guns..

[@circledude2362]

Fear not. The patents in queston are updates of a 2021 patent. But that is also invalid cause pocketpair made the 2020 game craftopia. And Craftopia uses the exact same mechanics as palworld.

[@electrobob992]

Sadly Japan's patent system is based on who files the patent first, regardless who added the mechanics first. Nintendo would win, if the judge isn't caring enough.

[@circledude2362]

@@electrobob992 correction: in japan, you have only one year to file a patent. that 2021 patent was filed too late. Patents can be proven to be invallid if the mechanic was user BEFORE it was filed. So that means nintendo can't win

[@circledude2362]

@@electrobob992 it can be invalidated later through an invalidation trial if it is found to lack novelty or inventive step

[@Dazdigo]

Nintendo has no case, however since they have a lot of money, they are going to try to drag it out till Palword's legal caves. Hope that Palword calls them out for their invalidly granted patients.

[@zenvariety9383]

Wouldn't Sony jump in and start funding Pocket Pair. Honestly I would not be surprised if it becomes Nintendo v Sony.

[@blazermettro2059]

​@zenvariety9383 I'm thinking thr same thing.

[@zenvariety9383]

@@blazermettro2059 that's the point. I'm a fan of Nintendo, but this overreach is stupid. If they were worried they should have done a buyout first. Yet they really need to innovate with Pokémon. Pokémon suffers from people cheating in the competitive scene and Gamefreak hesitating on major changes. Fans want to see an Eeveelution for every type for crying out loud. Can we at least get flying and ground type Eeveelutions for gen 10 or maybe 3 new Eeveelutions. Honestly Flying, fighting, and steel would be good.

[@combatking0]

I've been playing Pokemon since Red & Blue, but I'd rather play something innovative than the rushed, bug-riddled messes that have been Sword, Sheild, Scarlet and Violet. Attacking the competition while the quality of your own products is on the decline isn't the best tactic to keep hold of your audience.

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

nintendo still makes pokemon games? i thought they quit years ago when there games started to suck

[@NinoEstremera]

Nintendo needs to stop complaining about powerworld because they need competition to get out of the stagnant spot that they're in it's foolhardy for them to try and do something like what they doing when they know that they haven't even if they haven't even stepped up with their games literally they don't even bother to try and fix the the mistakes they make in their games and then yet they're trying to shut down a company that made a better game than they did and mind you I am a Pokemon fan but if you don't take responsibility for your own stuff then why should you complain about somebody else doing something also all those mods all those people that they shut down instead of shutting them down they should have hired them and use them to improve their game they really need to shut their mouths up

[@zaftra]

She always puts me in mind of a Bits presenter from the late 90's early 2000.

[@harrisonallen651]

Good luck with winning this court case Nintendo

[@julianx2rl]

If it was in America I'm sure they'd lose. ... But Japan is the battleground this time.

[@shallendor]

It is ARK with Pokemon! Cassette Beasts and Coromon are my favorite Creature Collection games! Palworld is a threat to Pokemon, especially since they are working with Sony in taking it mainstream!

[@TrixyTrixter]

Its not even that. Its more ARK like than pokemon, but both it is distinguishable different from both of those. It is an action-adventure survival game with creature capture elements. like 90%+ of pals you capture are not ever used for anything other than working your base.

[@hobowithashotgun3438]

I hope Nintendo loses, and i wont be buting any of their products from here on out.

[@AllGodInfinity]

Palworld has the right do what it is doing.

[@earendurvoneinzbern7585]

Should they sue MMOs like Wow and, FF 14 for summoning and, using creatures as mounts?

[@chrisvw352]

Alright, I just prayed it for the first time( I know I know). This game has WAY too many aspects based on other games to be a copy cat. The way you capture the PALS are different and the way you utilize them is different as well. I think Nintendo just needs some more attention in the court room as well. This will not stop me from playing Nintendo but this whole thing is an L on it.

[@steveleavell114]

It seems Nintendo legal withdrew to their lab, changed into their black robes, and performed the dark rituals to summon Howard Lincoln.

[@owennelson5814]

...Sorry, who?

[@steveleavell114]

@owennelson5814 he was a VP of NoA in the 80s and 90s. He started out as their chief legal counsel. All the shady underhanded tactics NoA did at the time were attributed to him. He is no longer with the company but he set Nintendo's over litigious culture. Basically their evil wizard.

[@owennelson5814]

@@steveleavell114 I see

[@snintendog]

@@steveleavell114 Given Shuntaro Furukawa past... Shady dealings and his direct connection to yamaguchi. Iwata's "sickness' IS now starting to be questioned.

[@transcendantviewer]

From what I've heard from others, Playstation is stepping into Palworld's corner. So Nintendo's going to have a hard fight on its hands; there's no love lost between the two.

[@teretzthepsycho]

Pokemon's patents are dumb, cause there were games that came before pokemon that used them

[@Sukotto82]

I've played both pokemon and palworld and palworld is no way anything like pokemon to justify a lawsuit. It's like minecraft suing 7 days to die because they both have building terrain modifications and are both voxel games. Or like eve online suing no man's sky because they both have spaceships and planets that you can travel between. The whole lawsuit is absurd. While we're at it. In regards to combining 2 creatures to get a stronger offspring there's tons of games that do that. Pokemon doesn't own the concept of breeding and offspring mutation. That's as Natural as you can get. Nintendo might as well sue ova magika because you can breed 2 blobs to get a new blob with beneficial attributes like mutations Makin it immune to silent status effects.

[@snintendog]

It more like Call of Duty Suing the OG Doom and calling it a rip off of COD.

[@geowulfhartman9616]

I hope atlus develops a palworld inspired junkyard from DDS/avatar tuner. or just a palworld-like DDS game. and gets it released on the switch 2.

[@felixkushime6429]

Since the true founder of Nintendo died, Nintendo let us down with this, as a Pokémon fan, if they eliminate the game, I will not touch any Pokémon game in my life, hating Nintendo, I'm not the only one, millions think the same with similar opinions to mine this is unfair, is so sad

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

I'm not buying any more Nintendo game in my life already. And that won't change if they lose this case. They have shown their character, or rather lack thereof.

[@gavinchoules8165]

Off the back of all this, I sold my Switch and bought a Steam Deck. Can you guess what my first purchase was on the Deck? I picked a side with my wallet, as that seems to be the only language Nintendo understands

[@WildDancer101]

Seems to be a common trend these days. When a creator dies or leaves their IP for good, that IP starts spiraling down, making fans disappointed.

[@snintendog]

Iwata was the heart and soul of nintendo. He programmed he developed even as a CEO.

[@billcunigan288]

At some point these mechanics become generic

[@GamingtheOtter]

Officer Jenny has a British accent? I'm sold!

[@garydezern5212]

Better watch it, Nintendo and Pocket monster company will try to sue you for some cloths.

[@annietheenigma8590]

I say to the patent of riding your owned pokemon, literally ride to court on a steed, to ask does Pokemon now own the concept of riding a horse to battle?

[@matthewgragg2152]

The truth is Pokemon is diying. It has been diying for some time. Between bad tv seasons and bad games for quite some time now, and with Ash becoming a master and the show ending, Nintendo is scared and lashing out at anything even hinting any resemblance of Pokemon that is successful. Nintendo in many ways is on life support and they are doing anything and everything possible to shut down anything that might be a potential threat to their profits.

[@TrixyTrixter]

Not quite, nintendo is fine. Its the pokemon company that is diying.

[@zenvariety9383]

​@@TrixyTrixterYeah, it's Pokémon that's dying. The refusal to pay the hammer on players who cheat and hack in Pokémon and the snail's pace of improvement is the tip of the iceberg. They flat out refuse to consider ideas if a fan came up with a similar idea.

[@Arbaaltheundefeated]

Nintendo is not at all on life support, but I wish they were.

[@snintendog]

@@zenvariety9383 No nintendo is dying too. Their games all have become Sub par recently lots of sloppy games in the last 3 years they are hemmoragging money and got involved with DEI and hired 3.1 million workers under that and now are stuck with workers that dont work.

[@christaylor4786]

I agree but They do ban cheaters to an extent. It's impossible to ban a genned Pokémon that passes all legitimacy tests since that's just manipulated data that makes it seem that the person caught it or that person may have duplicated a mon they already caught. Pokémon with advantages you cannot achieve in game however are absolutely banned and you can't use them in tournaments. Nowadays it's so easy to max out a Pokémon it doesn't bother me since your maxed out mon will have the same stats as the genned one.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

the problem with this lawsuit is nintendo could target all games that capture monsters and use them to fight DIgimon yokai Watch and many others... Even world of warcraft's battlepet system could be at risk.

[@electrobob992]

As well as games with mounts, so Minecraft and Skyrim would be affected too.

[@snintendog]

@@electrobob992 every MMO ever has both of these mechanics... Nintendo Vs all of Korea and China anyone?

[@flowtrow9780]

LETS boycot nintendo :)

[@charlesmetal8224]

It shouldn't be possible to copyright entire genres, but those laws are weird especially in Japan. Also I personally consider a lot of copyrighting mechanics to be fairly scummy as it stifles innovation in the industry at large. Direct clones won't win any favors, but mechanics should be free for anyone. Maybe protect something for a limited period of maybe 6 months if there is a need but otherwise should be free for all as the industry depends on it to survive.

[@tylernickson8287]

I hope palworld wins it will be a disaster for indie gaming if Nintendo wins this.

[@powerbeard5653]

it will be a disaster for all gaming.

[@cliffordkun2844]

I agree with this. If Pokémon wins the lawsuit, we would have to say goodbye to Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Palworld, TemTem, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, Moshi Monsters or other monster franchises as well as potential new monster franchises because our only option will be Pokèmon. No monster/creature franchise will be safe from Pokèmon's reign of terror.

[@danielmalinen6337]

​@@cliffordkun2844If Nintendo wins then, as a even bigger disaster, we may have to say goodbye to mounting, riding and dismounting in video games.

[@owenfautley]

People in Japan want Nintendo to win since they see that as protecting their rights to create fan games and doujinshi since the strick copyright laws larger companies end up doing the reverse in Japan to what they would in the west.

[@REwalker29]

surprised they didnt go after it day 1

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

Notice they made patents after months Palsworld came out. Seemed Nintendo was making a case and simply came to the conclusion they didn’t have one yet.