You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony’s $7.9B Lawsuit

[@airtec87]

if buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing.

[@milosuperduperfun2103]

Legally, no. Morally, absolutely.

[@frankvuong1080]

​@@milosuperduperfun2103 nah not even morally, if companies dictate what you can do with your product even after you have paid for it, you can choose to consume their product without paying for it. As long as your not selling it, I think it's fine.

[@khanch.6807]

​@@milosuperduperfun2103 Morally you can't own ideas. Digital content can be infinitely copied.

[@shadowflash705]

​@@milosuperduperfun2103copyright infringement isn't stealing. When a bike is stolen the original owner doesn't have it anymore. Making a copy of some digital or analog data doesn't make the original to disappear. The only piracy that is stealing ( armed robbery actually) is a sea/river piracy.

[@seaweedisvegetable8465]

Also anti piracy detection programs in the game make your game slower. This is not a case in a pirated game where the anti piracy program is deleted

[@banban8481]

"Buy it once, pirate it forever" That will be my new motto

[@talkingbutt3150]

💯👏👍

[@mobilemcsmarty1466]

good one! it's kinda how I lived only now you've made a nice motto ..hope you don't mind I borrow it 😎

[@1995tirthankarbala1]

buy never , pirate forever

[@ara849]

Buying is temporary, pirates are forever.

[@MattsRanger]

That's a good way of putting it. Now if I can just figure how to back up my blu ray discs. We've been doing that in many ways far, far longer. I have music tracks I've backed up in the 90's and movies similar after I had DVD's fail.

[@naveej]

Its time to bring back buying stuff that you own instead of the licenses that cost more than owning something would have costed you a few years ago

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Facts

[@OrenIshiii-rg7sr]

That is true, sony may have a Big Vision but at the cost of my Purchase AND WITHOUT REFUND? Sony and all those Sheet Ole Companies think They Their Sheet Holder ... Investment(Cash) matters more the pure revenue LOL ... I will show you what it means when you cross the line of Consumer That made you

[@OrenIshiii-rg7sr]

So make your Choice, you can either stop buying the product or keep funding it. Just like Diznay MsheU or any other Org that have become too Big forgetting humble beginnings.

[@eyesontoast1105]

Not to mention the fact that they are selling us the same products multiple times through newer platforms. Literally selling us games branded "remastered" for extortionate prices

[@PaulJohn01]

That only works if the physical media you want to buy and own forever actually exists ! Yes vinyl, tapes, CD's DVD's are making a comback in part because of this issue but lot's of TV shows, movies, music and games just can't be found on these media, either they never got made or no one is still making them.

[@BOMBON187]

Another reason why its ALWAYS better to own a physical disc if given a choice.

[@timothyfay1334]

@BOMBON187 yeah with music I only do physical. Gaming if it's a phatt attack game definitely getting it on physical, can't get one ps5vr2 on physical

[@Space9000.0]

Facts

[@Clockwork-Heart]

Do you not remember PSN going down recently and no one could play games, even physical single player? I wouldn't be so sure.

[@FrostclawTheGatomon]

@@Clockwork-Heart Yep.

[@jaydarke]

Absolutely. Unfortunately buying physical for modern consoles is no different than buying digital. Still gotta be online to check the licence. And if they withdraw that licence, then that physical disc is useless other than eye candy on your shelf.

[@leaf16nut]

Physical media is king, if you can't own it physically, sail the seas!

[@zer0doughnuts]

Even physical products are not immune to this. Take for example physical products such as TVs, speakers, or other "smart" appliances, you may own the physical product but use of the product requires a "End User License Agreement" to the digital component and that is under the very same kind of license that permits companies(like Sony) to remove your access to your digital library. Any smart device that requires an internet connection to function can and will be disabled by the manufacturer eventually.

[@FORTEtheSECOND]

All that Needs to Be Said. Concisely .

[@agamersinsanity]

physical is still a license you don't own the game you only own the disc.

[@unsolved07]

@@zer0doughnuts Spotify's car things is a great example. They are bricking the devices even though you paid for the hardware.

[@shaunharris697]

5:00 they sincerely gave the consumers the middle finger.

[@ravensailiata]

2024 is a good year for gamers. Bad games are failing, Terrible Company practices are getting pushback, and people are finally fighting for change.

[@sprmn1983]

As if Sony is gonna lose with the console or see a big drop in users. Nope not really, people be sheeple 😂

[@adamtajhassam9188]

We are living in a new era smart customers dumb companies.

[@Demy1970]

Yes, do not pre order Battlefield

[@Yinzermakesvids]

Omg 😂😂😂😂😂😂 soooooo funy. Did you come up with that on your own? ​@@sprmn1983

[@dennistonrockstone]

The year of truth 💯

[@cyclonous6240]

They can spend billions of dollers for aquiring new IPs but can't spend few millions to secure users' credentials.

[@IlPinguonauta]

That's how Greed works, my friends

[@lt1459]

Correction: *can but choose not to. Consumers continue to stay with them, breach after breach. Says a lot about the consumer.

[@johnmaco]

Protecting user credentials doesn't generate revenue. Greed

[@TheSilverShadow17]

Ah yes, greed. Greed gets the better of everyone who care nothing more than to add another dollar to their pockets. To the tech giants, it always was about the money and never anything more.

[@nick33ee]

saw a post on the pirate reddit...of a whatsapp message of a sony employee selling credentials to someone... dont know if its false or not...

[@kevinbarry71]

Sony; the company that installed root kits on customers computers. Sony, the company that had it system hacked because Security was run by 12-year-olds, and then lied about it, and then lied about it again, and then absolutely refuse to apologize for compromising customer data.

[@ghb323]

@@kevinbarry71 Terrible security practices all around. The first one is also a very example of what can DRM go wrong and why DMCA 1201 is problematic. The second one is exacerbated when combined with mandatory PS account even on their PC games released on steam.

[@kaseyboles30]

Also they once sued themselves. It seems the part that made money of movies didn't like the idea of home video tape machines despite sony also being a big player in said machines.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

When did they install rootkits?

[@ghb323]

@@Gustaviustwinkelberry around 2005, the division of the company was “Sony BMG”.

[@kevinbarry71]

@ you've heard of this thing called Google? Check it out.

[@Wiseman108]

As someone that has bought over a thousand games on PlayStation I fully support any laws protecting our rights to own the things we have fairly purchased.

[@syedrashidraza5630]

True while we consumers don't purchase the copyrights, No one has the authority to dictate our fundamental consumer rights.

[@SamWulfign]

And that's why we should be asking law professors and consumer advocacy groups, to come up with new terms and laws. Something like a "Individual Copy license" a.k.a you are free to keep and use your copy however you like but not for distribution or for criminal activity, everyone is happy then.

[@L3W1S123]

Duh

[@alonsofavela5672]

If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't theft. Piracy against these companies is completely justified and moral.

[@Ben.SK2346]

Somalian Pirates We!🏴‍☠😁

[@Red_GT_OAP]

This is exactly what happened to my Google music albums I purchased. I lost all paid for albums and singles when it moved to KZbin music. Back to piracy I feel

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Oof

[@DmadPs]

You can still download all of your Google music library, and transfer to KZbin music Just Google it

[@xakorik4832]

Same for me

[@miken3963]

Yep, Google Music shutdown got me to jump back to the high seas. If I can't purchase mp3s legally anyway, then it's the pirate's life for me.

[@TwstedTV]

I lost over 5k songs on Google that I have purchased. I was told there is nothing I could do about it. This is why I barely purchase anything anymore. Why should I if they are telling me I don't own it. Same for Steam games, I slow down A LOT from purchasing any games. I no longer spend $60 or more on games. I wait several years for them to drop to $15. This is why people don't see any brand-new games on my streams. I refuse to pay $60 for games, only to know that I don't own it.

[@Ark_Strike]

Myth: Piracy "costs" the economy billions of dollars every year Fact: Piracy *saves* the economy billions of dollars every year

[@Launchpad05]

'You wouldn't buy from A digital store.'

[@googIesux]

I would 100% download a car

[@Launchpad05]

@@googIesux 'You wouldn't take away someone's purchases from the internet.'

[@johntracy72]

​@@googIesuxwith how fast 3D printing technology is advancing, you'll be able to do that in a few years.

[@GeometricPidgeon]

​@@googIesuxAND im going to print it. On a printer I actually own and is easier to refill with filament than it is to refill an inkjet with cartridges.... WHAT IS THIS PLANET EVEN

[@louisvillaescusa]

If a company "sells" something to a consumer but does not secure the right to actually "re-sell" a copy of that item from the producer, then the company is misleading consumers. If you "sell" something to a consumer, it means that the consumer should own the rights to use that product for the rest of their life. If Sony "sold" something that they were only licensing from another company, then Sony didn't have the right to actually "sell " that item. That should be fraud unless Sony said up front, at the time of purchase, that the item will not be owned by the consumer, just temporarily licensed to them. (And not just have this buried in the Terms of Service.) The law needs to rigidly define the terms, "rent," "lease," "license" and "purchase" in this new, digital age.

[@mrsuiii2998]

Agreed. atm licensing seems to be renting until "we lose the rights oops"

[@goodfortunetoyou]

Sell the rights, such that the purchaser's rights transfer. If you bought something, and you die, the rights to the object must be transferable to the estate/any recipients. Sony shouldn't be able to revoke ownership rights.

[@arturpaivads]

Agreed. Its important to be clear that you're renting a temporary licsnse. Not buying anything. The word "buy" or "purchase" needs to be protected by law to only be available for products you actually own.

[@Cumdown]

It is though. We buy leases all the time.

[@TheyCallMeIce]

Unfortunately, their EULAs that say "Yeah... we know we SAID you ""purchased"" and ""own"" the content, but we REALLY mean we can do whatever we want, and we don't even owe you a refund if we -steal- remove it." in legal jargon on page 146/147 somehow protect them from consequences. Like, seriously. If I cannot get someone to agree to something by speaking in another language, that they don't understand, while they're in a rush, then why is this any different? No one actually has the time or legal knowledge/means to hire a lawyer every single time they want to watch a show.

[@Moonwalker86]

SONY will always have balls as long as their fanboys keep defending them more than their lawyers.

[@youssef1770]

Sony themselfs are JUST like their fanboys the same

[@nicholasholloway8743]

Yes like the ones defending the 1000$ (disc and stand included price) PS 5 Pro, just get a fucking PC at that point lol because it's clear that consoles isn't meant for budget gaming anymore

[@dutchgamer842]

​@@nicholasholloway8743No, it doesn't work like that. Most people that have a Playstation 4 and 5 also have a gaming PC. They have both and some also have a Nintendo Switch, not exclusively a Playstation or PC

[@Moonwalker86]

@dutchgamer842 Most !! LMAO

[@stevencamp69]

I have p4,p5 a decent pc and a switch so I can attest to homie above! (Just got a 5 and it’s pretty cool)

[@keith8880]

It's a good thing sony has a track record for losing lawsuits

[@randylogan4339]

They have never been good at hiding their corruptness...

[@udjujdjddd5052]

I was banned from the PSN for swearing in a group chat. I had hundreds of $ in games and can no longer download ot play them. Its ridiculous

[@Soraviel]

sony and MSFT (Xbox don't tolerate swearing anyway) so in the end it's your loss. Enjoy losing your money in that case.

[@Sinistar1983]

Piracy is moral at that point. If they don't want your money, then they shouldn't have it

[@udjujdjddd5052]

​@@Sinistar1983That was a while ago I've longed moved on to PC. It's just depressing to spend that much money to have my account permanently suspended. They could've just banned me from sending messages...

[@RealMTBAddict]

On a rated M game too. Make it make sense.

[@WaterMelonS1]

@@Soraviel it doesn't matter. if you pay for something you should have every right to access it. banning someone from online chat and deleting their access to media they paid for are two different things. the second of which is theft

[@ct2586]

Simple solution to this. If they steal your legally purchased products, just pirate the product back. It's like when you were a kid and your neighbor Jonny stole you red ball. You go over and steal it back. It's not wrong because it's your red ball

[@METALIZER_]

Fricken Jonny hate that guy

[@keshavchauhan6616]

I know why they are doing this... To make most of the profit They want you to subscribe there platform while they rise the price of buying games by adding their percent to the makers cost resulting in slow purchasing or less purchasing forcing makers to put it in the subscription collection or giving discount which makes less money for the makers which cause them to sell there company to the platform.

[@ebenezerspludge8369]

Just take it in the first place if they don't offer you a way to own it. Don't give these companied doing this money.

[@dkking787]

Maybe ps6 could be an entirely separate from PlayStation console

[@Wudanmaster116]

@@keshavchauhan6616 actually, statistically, they are doing this DUE TO pirating. Blame the people who caused this scenario in the first place, people that pirated games, period.

[@bramvandenbroeck5060]

Before this digi cr4p, i get it if we need to pay 60 or 70 (money in your currency) for a physical game, there is the cost of manufacturing (cd or cartridge), cost of shelve space, cost of shipping, but now? Why are we still paying physical store prices for digital games? Just greed!

[@Eggzy-b7f]

Greed indeed! Theres definitely no need but people aren't upto speed, So unfortunately to this extortion there will be no heed Boycott every Big corp for 1-2 weeks and they will crumble!!

[@ZayStacks892]

@@Eggzy-b7fpeople won’t sad thing

[@ZayStacks892]

@@Eggzy-b7fa lot of the economy would change if we all held out for a few weeks

[@Cumdown]

Hate to break it to you dude. But the cost of producing a plastic cd and case is tiny lol

[@rodh1404]

To be fair, many big games now cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make. The average cost of making a game, particularly a AAA game, is increasing each year. The real problem is that so many games don't seem like they are worth what we pay. Even $10 for a piece of junk game is too much, and some piece of junk games are being sold as AAA games with AAA prices.

[@2811JPR]

An account I had was banned for a stupid reason that I appealed. Was never overturned and they wouldn't even let me access my game library. Thousands of dollars flushed down the toilet. I was beyond furious. Still am so disappointed that they never made that right.

[@fleonard4]

NEVER, EVER, EVER buy digital multimedia. ALWAYS get the physical CD/DVD/Media. You can rip it, and put it on any device you own, no DRM. Apple iTunes/Music has ripping built in. You bought it, you control, and own it. Paying money for something that doesn't exist is stupid. Even though they "promise" you will own the license forever, this shows that you do not, and they are too big to fight. Also, you can sell or trade it later. There's a massive used market for music, movies, and games. If you don't own it, you can't sell it later. It's a scam, and they charge the same price, and in many cases more, for something that's vapor.

[@vanillatwilight127]

I’ll never feel bad at people pirate content from big companies

[@gimcrack555]

If it's not on the market no more and the games, movies, musics, TV shows, ect are already at flea markets and pawn shops. Then me pirate the digital off the Internet, really ain't stealing money from the creator.

[@Launchpad05]

'You wouldn't take something away from A customer.' 'Taking content away from customers is wrong.'

[@hungryyy-qs9407]

​@@gimcrack555it is stealing

[@TheSilverShadow17]

@@Launchpad05 Said no greedy corporation ever who shuns the idea of total ownership

[@DieselDucy]

If you can’t own it you can’t steal it.

[@googIesux]

To put it a way more easily understood: I you can't own it, it can't be stolen. Information is abstract. It is empirically observable that you cannot own or steal abstract things / ideas. Intellectual Property is fiction

[@Akira-Aerins]

If buying isn't owning then buying once and pirating forever isn't stealing

[@timf8684]

You can't call it a purchase. then in the T/C's say, oh yeah it's a license. Check black's law dictionary. Words have meaning, you can't bend it.

[@hopelessdecoy]

​@@timf8684 I wonder how many of these use FOSS software/technologies and don't distribute the source code because as trillion dollar companies words mean nothing to them.

[@TheSilverShadow17]

Well, we are buying a license after all.

[@Knightmare919]

If buying isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t stealing.

[@keego_yt0810]

Exactly.

[@Lawlietsherpa]

Haven't bought any game since the 2011 and even those that i bought were fakes of the original for half a dollar, will never buy a game thanks to torrent, hahah f u big corps

[@Swissvmillieyt]

This is why I hate big corporations like Sony how the F you buy a game or a movie digitally and u don’t owned yet if I pirate movies and games I’m considered a Criminal by law

[@claudiukulcsar456]

Well in the first case you paid you got in the 2th case you just steal tings for free

[@titaiao]

In my country, it's not a crime if you pirate anything as long you won't profit from, so if you pirate for your own enjoyment, the law would be cool with you.

[@MeJustMe101]

Simple. They want you to own nothing and they want you to be happy and be quiet about it. Of course, thats something that will never work. it's been done before in the past, this is no different.

[@felipetejeda7545]

We as consumers need to move back torwards physical media, they are trying to eradicate the secondhand market. Because anytime anybody buys used the primary company loses out on another sale. If you buy a digital copy, you can’t resell, if your console breaks, those games are gone forever. With physical media, you truly own it and it has a resale value.

[@felipetejeda7545]

Also the cost for digital games should be half the price or 2/3 the price of physical media because it’s just data, there’s way more cost in manufacturing and shipping/selling physical games then instant download options.

[@MrDlt123]

This is happening more and more. And people call me a dinosaur because I always buy physical copies. Corporate greed knows no boundaries.

[@bravelittleroomba]

Fellow dinosaur here! I save or buy my own actual copies of everything--either physical copies and/or DRM-free digital files that live on my hard drives and don't require any internet connexion to use.

[@hungryyy-qs9407]

Why do you buy physical copies ?

[@siege_sensei]

@hungryyy-qs9407 Why are you re⭐️ded?

[@MrDlt123]

@hungryyy-qs9407 If you buy digital copies 'stored' for you online, companies can modify them, or remove them from your library. The company can also go out of business, leaving you stranded without your purchased library. Amazon has already been caught digitally modifying and deleting people's purchased media. When you own the DVD/Blu-ray (for example), they cant take those from you. Of course, there are disadvantages to this too. They can be damaged, or lost in a fire, for example, but I'll take that risk.

[@hungryyy-qs9407]

@siege_sensei why are you crying? + why do you buy physical

[@johnnybraccia452]

If I have purchased the license, and their actions cause me to lose my license, then they owe me for my loss. Some things appreciate in value. Some things depreciate in value. The fact that the value of license has appreciated in value is not a valid argument against compensating me for my loss.

[@wettuga2762]

There should be a law to force digital content providers to OFFER a physical form of the media when the online content was about to be discontinued.

[@gwenna1161]

From a non-gamer stand point and I know not enough people will stand up to it, one simple move would put an end to it. Stop buying online only games that do not provide a stand alone hard copy that can be played offline. There is power in numbers and if only a million or so gamers/credit cards stop falling for it, they will be forced into change. Until then, all the complaining is for not and they will continue to take the money of those who hold no real conviction to make the change. I dropped my Amazon account for their stand on censorship about 4 years ago and have not been back. Yeah, maybe it didn't have an affect on them but that doesn't change my convictions and maybe one day others will stand up too. I unplugged from television "programming" 8 years ago and haven't been back. No antenna, no cable, no streaming services. Amazingly enough, the world has just caught up with me on the television programming boycott recently and a few of them are crashing and burning today. It can be done if you take actual part instead of just complaining about it but still give them your money and or eyes.

[@mro2352]

Or if they don’t offer it they wave their rights to litigate based on piracy.

[@hungryyy-qs9407]

Even physical cd could be revoked and stop working

[@BluePhoenix_]

Or a Download.

[@tizzi91able]

@@hungryyy-qs9407 not really. If the data of ver 1.0 are all on the disc. they can't revoke anything

[@porehebdkdb1987]

The only thing I bought is a PC. If I bought games, I would get - 1. Worse framerates 2. Crashes 3. Annoying sign in prompts 4. Breach of privacy 5. Loss of finance 6. Still waiting for GTA 6 to be realesed and pirated on PC.

[@KUNOLEOofficial]

10:00 I can't get over the fact you have an intense version of some Christmas jingle in the background

[@64Gianfar]

The answer is to stop supporting companies that don't respect the customer. I have zero interest in Sony's digital products...

[@00Tenrai00]

Exactly… I don’t know why people just enable corporate greed. They’d even go as far as defending them. I am appalled.

[@jennahaze6835]

The answer is stop acting a fool online just be normal so you dont get your account banned 😂

[@LordSiravant]

No company respects its customers, so there is no way to avoid supporting them, especially when they own a near monopoly in the entertainment industry.

[@whatifguy9675]

The term "ownership" has never been any grayer than it is now. If we purchase something it is for keeps. Period.

[@visceratrocar]

Nothing gray about it. They own it, you don't. You pay for access, they control your access. Pretty black and white.

[@Disgruntled_Old_Man]

I guess the "You will own nothing and be happy" people were wrong. Apparently people aren't happy about that.

[@abominablesnowman64]

👏👏👏 nothing but shills. I will never understand the mindset of those people and why they have such a grip on these publishers COUGH🍆COUGH. I love many devs and publishers but I'm not loyal to any of them when they wrong the people. Its ok to have admiration but never be loyal. Loyalty blinds you.

[@TheSilverShadow17]

@Disgrunttled_Old_Man Since when is anyone ever happy about not owning anything? Ownership of a product whether physical or digital means that the owner can do as they please with whatever product they buy, except illegally redistribute and resell it as their own.

[@LordSiravant]

Well, what that crowd means is a similar vein to the "you're going to finish your vegetables and you're going to like it" crowd. As in, you'll accept it because the powers that be ordered you to.

[@TheSilverShadow17]

@@LordSiravant To hell with them, I guess. I obey orders from no one but my own self, who's also my own worst enemy.

[@ASMRStraw]

That's an ilkumnati creedo you ignorant fool

[@dudeguy1894]

As a massive fan of Playstation IPs for almost as long as I can remember, this is the one of the worst betrayals I've ever seen.

[@joshheflin1994]

Yep literally owned about 300$ worth of movies years ago and one day they were just gone no refund nothing I say time to go back to gamestop power to the players man

[@serioserkanalname499]

Either piracy or gog are the only ways to actually own media these days, its incredibly sad. Even steam technically only sells a license, so while I like Valve and Gabe, it has to be mentioned that you technically dont own anything there either.

[@KrolPawi]

On gog you also dont technicaly own the game. The diffrence here is that gog gives you offline installers for most of the games ( some just plainly dont have one fue to the massive f u from publishers ). So if game dissapears due to license issue you can still install it if you kept the file.

[@lmcgregoruk]

@@KrolPawi I'm pretty sure if you buy the game before it disappears due to licence issues, you can still download it from GOG's servers, it just can't be NEWLY bought or downloaded anymore. Same with Xbox games. And can you tell me WHICH GOG game(s) doesn't have an offline installer?

[@SPTX.]

@@KrolPawi Stop spreading that "you don't own because license" bullshit, we know to make the difference between intellectual property and a copy of a product. People know that when they buy super mario bros they don't own Mario, they own a copy of the game. The legalese that you don't own A GAME because the license states that the intellectual property isn't yours is a sleazy way to attempt the confuse people to not defend their property rights. Don't give it any credit, it's by all intent and purposes corporate scam.

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

@@SPTX. Well said!!!

[@KrolPawi]

@@SPTX. Look im not disagreeing with you. Im just telling you that gog dosent differ from steam on that particular part.

[@POLARTTYRTM]

This is why piracy is justified. Why pay for something if you won't own it?

[@Soraviel]

We never really did that's the point, it was always a license for the consumer

[@FrostclawTheGatomon]

You never 100% owned it. That's not how ownership works.

[@Bargate]

​@@FrostclawTheGatomonAll people want is security that their purchase can't be taken away. We never had complete ownership even with physical but it was good enough.

[@UpYourArsenal]

Physical media still exists.

[@BrownBrown270]

​@@UpYourArsenalfor just a bit longer.

[@ghb323]

1:14 30% commission fee. See. this crap with apple. I rather pay money to support anyone on a browser than through the app.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Dang, can’t blame ya

[@WrottJackson]

Same, imagine paying for KZbin Premium through Apple! I have KZbin Premium and unfortunately can’t live without it. It’s woefully overpriced and Apple makes it worse. Also PS Plus is insanely overpriced.

[@OrenIshiii-rg7sr]

That is true, sony may have a Big Vision but at the cost of my Purchase AND WITHOUT REFUND? Sony and all those Sheet Ole Companies think They Their Sheet Holder ... Investment(Cash) matters more the pure revenue LOL ... I will show you what it means when you cross the line of Consumer That made you

[@OrenIshiii-rg7sr]

So make your Choice, you can either stop buying the product or keep funding it. Just like Diznay MsheU or any other Org that have become too Big forgetting humble beginnings.

[@marsovac]

Valve/Steam does the same 30% with a clause for developer that they are not allowed to post their game on other marketplaces for a lower price. That's worse than Sony - Sony monopolizes the playstation, but the developers have no clause that ties the price elsewhere. But Valve keeps the the PC market in a tight grip also portable console/Steam deck ... :/

[@Roohiiit]

Is the background song for the whole video "jingle bells"?😭

[@Viyde]

Thank god people are taking action against the overpricing of games. I'm so tired of seeing $100 - $130 titles popping up EVERYWHERE.

[@TravisBlack]

Man I just want games to have an offline/solo mode again. I don't expect a company to keep servers running for dead games, but give the few of us who genuinely still enjoy these games a way to still enjoy them after the community has moved on. I understand this doesn't apply to things like MMO or FPS games, games that require a community to play. But shutting things down like SSX 2012 was bullshit. I really enjoyed the SSX franchise, and the 2012 version was incredible, especially with the wing suit addition. It played flawlessly. There was absolutely no reason for them to not include offline play. Even when you wanted to play solo you had to be connected to Sony's servers.

[@Baxiljn]

Ooo

[@SPTX.]

You're wrong, it DOES apply to MMOs and FPS games. If such a game doesn't allow you to play it after servers shut down, it's by design, not necessity. It's technically perfectly possible for the end user to host his own server regardless of the type of game. Also for SSX 2012 the culprit is EA, not Sony.

[@VoiceOvaGuy]

There's a lot of anti-consumer practices in the AAA industry that need to be corrected. Unfortunately these greedy corporations will NEVER willingly fix them. The only solution would be starve the industry of money until it goes under, and the AA studios and indie studios can work their way up, while making games like the golden age of gaming, instead of the lazy, unfinished, overpriced slop we get today.

[@valerioamoruso7858]

@@SPTX. While technically possible, the only way to keep an online only game like an fps working after the servers are shut down is to make players the hosts which comes with a wide array of issues, for example the host could simply cheat and nobody could do anything about it, if the host leaves the lobby goes down, and many more, there is also the security concern of the host having to open a port to his pc to complete strangers, which becomes a very big problem if a vulnerability is ever found withing the code. There is also the hardware problem since hosting takes way more resources than just playing, also the host needs perfect internet connection or the game becomes unplayable and he constantly has an advantage over other players since he has zero ping.

[@SPTX.]

@@valerioamoruso7858 again, not true, especially regarding FPS games. Very little is handled server side and we have legions of games to prove it.

[@NemanyaIam]

I started buying digital content because it was much cheaper than a physical copy, and in my country that can be expensive. 30% commission was not a problem because it was still a more affordable solution. Also, discounts are more often and higher on digital content. One thing is not being able to play old Windows games, but the second is losing the content which sucks. If they want to remove us from content they should give us a refund or an option to download the content and burn it to discs.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Don’t think they have the rights to let you do that haha

[@NemanyaIam]

@@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup That is something that should everyone allow. To have your content on your PC.

[@popenieafantome9527]

This would be difficult for some with how much bigger the games have gotten over the years. Plenty of games won’t fit in a disk. Even on an external hard drive, you are likely to fill it up with 10 large games. An option to refund would definitely be nice.

[@Vassilinia]

Say it with me, everyone: If buying isn't owning...

[@Chippychips8-2]

Then piracy isn't stealing Long live the high seas.

[@ravensailiata]

Piracy isn't stealing

[@melxvee6850]

Cringe

[@ethanmeatzie6179]

Fun fact: software piracy is a breach of copyright law, and, as such, is literally not theft. I do agree with the sentiment, though.

[@lorddoma6637]

Cringe

[@alzerttan4271]

I think they suppose did pass subcription instead asking players to purchase entire games and movies library from this players cant sue them beside that is a win-win situation not everyone have time to play entire games library within a month.

[@Angel-bg3ow]

This is why we need physical game discs. Sony is trying to go all digital so that we own nothing. They are already experimenting with removing the disc drive, I believe ps6 will be digital only…

[@HumanTherapy]

That's why GOG will always be the GOAT in the gaming market platform space, you own the games and they hate DRMs.

[@stephen865]

Problem is gog doesn't sell everything

[@Ofjkk]

* for now

[@Ofjkk]

@@DeadPhoenix86DP they can always get bought out or change direction so saying that "gog will always be goat" is incorrect gog *is* the goat. for now

[@fixcpu]

"ALWAYS" - GET THAT WORD OUTTA YOUR VOCABULARY.

[@outseeker]

the issue of buying something digitally but not actually owning anything is a huge problem. sorry sony, this needs to be rectified. ip, usage rights, ownership, etc. needs massive reform as part of it.

[@TheSilverShadow17]

Yes. This right here.

[@darkglass3011]

10:05 - This chart is basically showing a graphical representation of Sony collecting the Infinity Stones and snapping half of our Entertainment away.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha

[@maximvsvicta8353]

Remember, PlayStation Home - Gone Ace Combat Infinity - Gone War Thunder - license separated. Sony Music - Gone Etc. I put money into this, and got robbed by Sony.

[@zer0doughnuts]

For the customer "Digital Ownership" is an oxymoron. This even is eroding your rights as a customer over physical products you purchase as they are increasing becoming more and more digitally locked down and restrictive.

[@blackpotatomaster]

Sadly soon games will only be digital smh

[@teamofone1219]

They should have to give a full refund for taking away games we bought.

[@Jack_Waffles]

This is why I would laugh at people who said "Who uses discs anymore?" lol. Even though everything has been licensed since forever nobody was going to knock on your door and ask for the disc. Now everyone crying because the shoe is on the other foot and they couldn't see this coming.

[@joshuajefferson3504]

I still remember when my friends were telling me to embrace all digital cause disk were going obsolete.😂😂😂

[@BeastieMK]

In terms of users purchasing their content, things have not been licensed forever. There was just a distinction between buying and owning copy and owning the copyright of a work. It just used to be that licensing was more limited to things like public performances, usage of one work in another, or other uses that would normally only be allowed by the copyright owner.

[@googIesux]

Those of us saying there were fundamental problems with VALVe requiring Steam to install and play Half-Life 2 back in the day are now rolling our eyes. Thanks, normies, for dragging us down with you. You happy now? I told you so.

[@grim_tobe]

Disc base games are in the same boat.. look at the game The Crew sold disc for the game and still you can't play it now.

[@sola4393]

Discs games don't save you from losing your game, many disc games still need internet access to verify and download the rest of the game these days, you don't have the full copy of it.

[@Michel-r6m]

The Sony store is often times more expensive than games on disc in discount (Syberia The World Before is €40 PS store and €30 on disc). The idea behind download was that it was convenient and cheaper (no disc and packaging and the difference in savings split between two sides). Some games aren't even available online (Hitman).

[@00Tenrai00]

Also earlier on you could share digital games between 5 machines > now just 2

[@alexfraser8352]

Sony once again showing it's bloated ego I'm so glad i got a series x instead of ps5

[@notneb82]

We should also be suing game developers and gaming journalists for colluding to create deceptively positive reviews for games that really, really suck.

[@Noobhunter2012]

Correction not the game developers since most of the time they are on a time crunch but instead the publisher and stockholders who end up sending the game out, just to meet their quota for them to buy another house etc xD

[@YouGotUnlucky]

Buying games as physical discs wouldn’t necessarily be the solution. They sell those as license too… most of the time you buy a game physical and then you need to download a huge file or else you won’t be able to play it.

[@airtec87]

@@YouGotUnlucky most of time that’s actually false but a common misconception. Most games include the full game on disc if there is a physical release.

[@YouGotUnlucky]

@ Im not saying the game is not included on the disc. A lot of times is, but for you to be able to play a lot of games you have to be connected to internet and download whatever patch… indeed there are games which you can play without internet and by just having the disc… is just not the majority and even some genres which you are bound to just have the license.

[@JohnDoe11VII]

@@airtec87 Times are changing. Call of Duty since WW2(?), Halo Infinite, Hogwarts Legacy, L.A. Noire on Switch. It's surprising how crippled these games are without a patch.

[@BeastieMK]

At the very least, (in most cases on consoles) ownership of that disc, whether the full game is on it or not, is what grants access to the game, even if much of it needs to be downloaded. I can sell or lend that disc, and whoever has it will be able to play the game. I know Microsoft came close to changing this, and console manufacturers could start locking copies to consoles, but at least that hasn't happened yet.

[@airtec87]

@@JohnDoe11VII those are just a small handful, how about elden ring, all the resident evil remakes, ff7 remakes, ff16, dead space remake, GTAV, RedDead2 all of those are full games. I can easily name more full games then not and thats my point. Also nobody cares about physical call of duty since forever just like nobody cares about physical sports games.

[@BGP369]

This is why you always copy streaming products you purchased and make a backup of it locally so your acess to content you purchased cannot be taken away.

[@Cumdown]

That isn't how any of that works

[@SPTX.]

In many cases it won't work because of DRM.

[@BGP369]

@SPTX. For every roadblock there are 100 different ways to get around it. DRM is a trivial one.

[@BGP369]

@@SPTX. That only applies to those who aren't aware of how to bypass DRM.

[@nicholasholloway8743]

Need what the UK has, consumer protection laws

[@tjjordan4207]

There definitely needs to be players to protect the paying customer. If they pay for something, they should be able to own it without worry of it being deleted or expiring. In fact, I believe there should be an option for the customer to have a one-time download of a digital copy for games and movies on an approved hard drive or disc. Once downloaded, it cannot be redone or used for online purposes, which also means no updates if you buy something new. But at the very least you can have a hard copy of some kind that will prevent companies from trying to take away what you already bought.

[@TrexelCat]

8:03 GOG is exempt from this law because they provide offline installers with all game purchases. Meaning if that game disappears from the store and your library, you can still install and play it for as long as you have a copy of the offline installer.

[@itchylol742]

In 2013, I couldn't play my legally bought copy of Just Cause 2 on Steam because I didn't have internet, and I needed to be online to go into Steam offline mode. Since then I've saved around $3000 CAD by pirating video games

[@Something_dumb]

Shouldn’t be going around saying you pirate games

[@UserAccount-ThisOne]

@@Something_dumb wwhos going to stop him..? piracy is only illegal when distributing, the difference is that: pirating a copy of something/a copy for your friend is not illegal, however pirating a copy of something, making a website that hosts said pirated copy and then telling people about it so that so many people now have access to it is in fact illegal. besides, the legality isnt even a consideration at this point, these companies are pushing the boundaries for what consumers will take to their upmost limits

[@kaseyboles30]

@@UserAccount-ThisOne That's "it's only illeagle if you distribute" idea died years ago. They passed new laws (including the dmca for one) so that mere possesion of a 'pirated' copy or the tools to bypass copyprotection are a potential offense. So while that defense might have worked last century, it's no longer true unfortunately.

[@dabeastry4389]

@@kaseyboles30not everyone lives in america 🤓 🤡

[@SparkyMan12]

​@@Something_dumbif he's in a 3rd world country no one gives a rats ass if you pirate games. I've personally pirated around 5000 dollars worth of games and over 1000 anime

[@Gannoth]

Mentioning Steam in comparison makes 0 sense when Steam has multiple competitors, it will be thrown out and is just a waste of taxpayer money. If Steam charging 30% for game listing while devs and publishers push the cost onto the consumers was a problem, people would have flocked to EGS or GOG years ago. You don't need Steam to play PC games, there's tons of alternative ways to get games because PC is not a closed environment. Being better isn't their fault when they've been in the space for 2 decades. Sony on the other hand created their own system and forced people to only use that shop, there are no competitors inside their system so you are forced to pay ridiculous pricing. Them doing away physical discs, the only way anyone can argue it ensures cheap games, meant they are abusing the position to ensure their shop is the only place you can get games. That is lawsuit worthy.

[@underworld3449]

Except Steam has nearly monopoly on the PC market EGS & GOG market share is tiny compared to Steam. Also, Steam prevents publishers and game devs from selling their games at cheaper price on their own store fronts or competing store fronts (EGS or GOG). Also, Steam take a 30% commission.

[@WaterMelonS1]

@@underworld3449 30% was standard, xbox in particular only changed their commission because they wanted to back epic games without looking like a hypocrite. steam being the biggest player in the industry and being a monopoly are two different things. technically correct, but they are consistent in their sales tactics and regulations of the platform, when gog isn't, and epic employs significantly more monopolistic tactics then valve. and if valve preventing a publisher from selling a game on a competing platform for a lower price is bad, then epic buying exclusivity so that there is zero option to sell the game on another platform should be considered a nightmare practice, without accounting for the existence of console exclusivity. your argument has been dismantled time and again.

[@TheOneAndOnlySchiene]

@@underworld3449 Steam prevents them from selling with other prices ANYWHERE as it's a scummy practice. Steam also only takes that 30% on a sale made on Steam, if you make keys (Which is free) and sell those on, say, G2A yourself, Steam doesn't give a single fuck. Steam is literally the most customer-friendly PC game store.

[@OutLanderUSN]

@@underworld3449 Plus, look at what Steam provides. They take care of everything surrounding the game for you: store page, forums, server space, community area, reviews, and all the backend store support. IMO, that 30% cut is fine. If they took 30% and they didn't offer any of those services, that would be something worth getting up in arms over.

[@itsallinthepast2944]

@@underworld3449 imagine supporting scummy business practice

[@sandeepkumar35]

I don’t understand. As a gamer should I be happy or sad about this?

[@ariloiola]

Doesn't Microsoft, Google, and Apple do this too?

[@goni2493]

Yeah but their "pro consumer"

[@Pearloryx]

Imagine buying a $700 console with no games

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha

[@SquirrelDad]

09:30 - I cannot be the only one hearing "Jingle Bells" in the background, am I????

[@elijahachiri]

IT WAS THROWING ME OFF!!! LOL I thought I was going crazy, somehow merging in jingle bells with his theme music in my head. He definitely used a Christmas version of his typical background audio 😂

[@zeppzepp1427]

You're not the only one

[@DragonKingGaav]

Having exclusivity on your own platform is anti-competitive!

[@TheCjSmooth84]

I saw teenagers at the mall buying vinyls the other day. Physical media is definitely making a comeback. I've been blowing the horn on that since 2002. The moment Microsoft started using the Xbox and Xbox Gold to kill local multiplayer, I knew something like this would happen. Hell, I even told my friends to actually read the contracts for their digital purchases so they could understand that they dont actually own the products. These companies will get whats coming to them because of their greed.

[@nappa0582]

Remember when the advantage of buying digital was to save money? Pepperidge Farm® remembers. Spending just a little bit more coin for physical meant you own it forever and ever. Buying digital means you're permanently renting it. Y'all brought this on y'all'selves.

[@Talinthis]

I seen this shit coming from a mile away, i bought every sony console on release until the PS5... with all this plus having 2-3 consoles every generation (Regular, Slim, Pro) I moved to PC and am much happier. Had no idea how to build one but i just finished my second PC in august 2023 (The first one i built in 2013)

[@nicholasholloway8743]

Yea 700+$ console it LUDACRIS!!!

[@emiliaganchorre]

When Sony bought Epic records in 1987... don't even get me started. Was I born in the 20th century? No, but it's still effecting me today as a 20-year-old who loves music.

[@divisive_gaming4488]

So you were born into hating Sony? DAMN!...

[@FiNiTe_weeb]

9:10 is that a christmas jingle in the bg lmao

[@Finalizor]

Yeah my ADHD noticed that too lol

[@Finalizor]

Also it's throughout the whole video at moments

[@petersturm7628]

I asked the same question - my guess is to corrupt the audio data against AI scraping

[@wschmrdr]

This is why those ridiculous EULAs exist now. You don't own the game, you now own a license to use the game that they still own. Ironically, as a result of the Nintendo suit against GameGenie.

[@sefwewo5685]

Remember kids, if you dont want to buy an overpriced game, just pirate it!

[@JonySmith-bb4gx]

I am ok with that

[@arturpaivads]

Honestly. Stop buying for those extorting companies. And buy from someone who values your consumer rights. Buy from GOG, you can play your bought game on a blizzard in siberia in 2100 if you brought the right flash drive.

[@WaterMelonS1]

i don't think there's a flash drive in the world lasting that long

[@arturpaivads]

@WaterMelonS1 You have a point, but you can make a new copy each 10 years or so hahaha

[@amitsamad2378]

​​​@@arturpaivadsAt this point of time, I think there should be a offline storage device that should last longer....don't you think. You could make your own library that way which will last longer.

[@arturpaivads]

@@amitsamad2378 There are storage mediums like tapes that are rated for more than 50 years. But they are expensive and not user friendly, very niche. I would stick with a SSD or a flash drive and just replace it, it should last 10+ years for archival purposes.

[@Ofjkk]

​@@amitsamad2378its called hdd

[@SummerADDE_Elevators]

Considering sony have been struggling with electronic business and that their most profitable platform - the PlayStation - might fall behind in a chancing videogame landscape, going all in on entertainment is the right way to do. But they should have honored the legacy services they have left behind in Funimation...

[@Elknkam]

Good ! Vidoe games are insanely expensive now a days.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Indeed

[@CLOWNBOT00]

Someone tried to laugh at me for not owning a PS5 recently, not knowing that I know too much about this crooked company.

[@00045500]

netflix does that too, you pay to download to save and watch later. suddenly they remove it. the reason you bought is gone

[@Crispierbug]

0:52 Im pretty sure points 1, 2 and 3 can be applied to Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo.

[@irrefutable_mrT]

Microsoft maybe, but xbox has never removed content once it has been purchased. Even if it isn't on the store and you own it, you own it. One reason why I back the green... just sad lackluster releases

[@jondoe7281]

​@irrefutable_mrT one example for xbox is chromehounds when they shut it down

[@josanchez1536]

​@irrefutable_mrT not true. I had games i bought on sale when i had gamepass that they removed my digital license for when i canceled game pass. Half of my digital library that i though i would get to keep because i "bought". But no. Because those were bought using game pass exlusive sales. So dont back green either. Not to mention buying companies just to shut down thier subsidiary companies

[@irrefutable_mrT]

@josanchez1536 if you bought them using your gamertag then they are yours to keep weather you have game pass or not. There is nothing in there legal that says that games bought on sale with game pass will only be available with gamepass. Maybe there was a bug, did you ever reach out to Microsoft? But yes that is not cool but unfortunately that is how all companies are going. Big names owning a wider umbrella of smaller companies. I dont agree with them on everything but at least I know my purchases are safe. Honestly try reaching out to support, it might take 5 calls but you'd get all the value back in your library

[@josephpage6828]

No, it applies to ALL BUSINESS.

[@God__Emperor_]

Sony got me for a few hundred bucks with movies. Still haven't spent a penny with them since.

[@bellcramell5207]

That is why so many people go back to piracy nowadays.

[@SpaceDad42]

No one does. In most cases, it isn’t even possible like it was in the 80s.

[@alfhoward5825]

It’s the W.E.F. Vision: “You’ll own nothing and be happy.”

[@willi1978]

i am too paranoid to trust a company to keep things that i like

[@SteveSabbai]

This is why I have never or will ever buy digital copies of anything. Physical Copies is king. Long live the king!

[@rodh1404]

Did you buy a physical copy of The Crew? The problem isn't digital vs physical, it's DRM vs no DRM. Granted, if you want to resell or if you're a collector, you'll always want the physical copy. But if you just want to have access to your content "forever", then DRM free is the way to go. Even if you buy a digital copy, download it and put it on physical media and then you have both.

[@R3TR0R4V3]

Amen to that!

[@OutLanderUSN]

The problem with "physical" copies of games anymore is that more often they're just an authentication key and you still end up downloading the game. IF they provide a disc, then the only real advantage you have is that you can sell it later (provided the servers haven't gone offline).

[@CarTastic-fv6eo]

@@rodh1404 Did you know that was online only game? Stop spreading this myth ... Physical games do not have DRM, the license is on the disc. Unless game is playable offline its yours forever, if its online only then way to go is to buy digital unless they made offline patch.

[@CarTastic-fv6eo]

@@OutLanderUSN Also WRONG. Maybe on PC, but on consoles they are fully stored on physical discs, at least on Nintendo and Playstation. I was able to install ofline basically 80% of games i own that arent live service.

[@OG_Daz]

We really need a win here. There’s no doubt that we are about to go all digital in the very near future. Digital games should be cheaper than physical in the first place, we should also be able to buy from different vendors and the PS store should have a refund policy aligned with something like Steam

[@stevenkingsland2022]

The problem now is. Not only are they digitally deleting “Licenses” but now you walk into a physical stores and the shelves are getting barer and barer. Less music less movies and less games. But, the prices have sure as hell went up.

[@TheMegatron673]

And people say buying games digitally is better than physical games. 🤨🤨🤨

[@Neozio]

The best way to show these companies they can't get away with this, is to not spend another dollar with that company.

[@LordSiravant]

Kind of impossible when they have fingers in every pie.

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[@hugolopes4286]

I started being more and more selective with my money, which is also a form of voting with my wallet. I stopped trusting and buying from sony, ubisoft and EA to name some of the bigger well-known companies. They keep getting greedier and keep imposing anti-consummer practices. At this point, investing time and money in these sorts of companies is just wasting money and burning neurones when they bend their clients over later down the line.

[@Raven5431]

Bring back Demos. Allow users to download or buy physical copies for keeps. Get rid of pre orders. Everything in the game should be obtainalble through gameplay without taking years of your life. We would all be happier with just these few changes.

[@patrickprafke4894]

All I'm hearing is the phrase....."Monthly Subscription".

[@add8402]

It's important to remember that the lawsuit against Sony (and the nearly identical lawsuit against Valve) isn't about any of the horrible practices they've undertaken against their customers, its just an argument that their 30% commission on the Playstation store (the standard market rate) is too high. They're not suing over digital ownership, this lawsuit has literally nothing to do with that at all. The crux of their argument seems to be that Sony "doesn't provide customers enough value" to justify a 30% cut of all PSN sales revenue. This argument falls apart the instant you examine the data hosting and bandwith costs associated with a service like the Playstation store alone, and that's before you factor in R&D and any other features that have been implemented into PSN as a whole. (hint: they're expensive to make and maintain, so not taking a reasonable revenue cut means you'll lose money off running the storefront). Additionally, even if these lawsuits win, it won't actually benefit consumers. Publishers set the retail price for games, so this lawsuit will only shift a percentage of the 30% cut that Sony/Valve takes into the pockets of game publishers like EA and Ubisoft instead of lowering prices for consumers. Overall, Sony definitely deserves to be sued, but this lawsuit is worthless. It's extremely likely to fail alongside the nearly identical lawsuit served to Valve (which makes the exact same allegations plus a few other even worse ones). Here's the website for the lawsuit if you want to read more for yourself: playstationyouoweus.co.uk/

[@SPTX.]

Now this is the kind of comment I'd like to see to the top. I'm tired of people getting distracted by red herrings.

[@WhoAmEye_WhoAreEwe]

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[@franklinsosa67]

10:35 The topic of the video is important, but I couldn't focus after I realized that the background music is gingle bells with extra sounds on top

[@Levnyan]

LOL SAME

[@SansINess53]

I recommend just purchasing the game and rip it to emulate it, I recommend ripping a old game honestly because honestly, most of the new games are just corporate slop, if you'll want to get good games I recommend going indie stuff. They are fun. Or get retroarch. So you could gain your old titles of games or even emulate stuff you didn't play before like the dreamcast games (they are fun you should emulate em)

[@sniperlemming]

Great video. The music at the end was weird...it was all sinister and also "Jingle Bells" at the same time.

[@TheMightyClark]

I've never heard a more menacing version of Jingle Bells in my life. That background music is wild.

[@chocolatewheelchair]

The stole my movies & shows from PS3. And, I’m DUMB enough to get a PS5.

[@TheCrazierz]

To be fair, I've know for years, that digital purchases are just licenses. Its nothing new. I'm surprised so many people are shocked. I mean, its one of the main argument points for digital vs physical media. I understand being angry about it, but surprised and shocked? Thats you're own fault.