The Popular Lies About Electric Vehicles from Mark P. Mills - DEBUNKED

[@BobboNaught-YT]

I really hate the arguments about minerals, it's so backwards. The minerals can be recycled - meanwhile the gasoline is BURNED only once.

[@verttikoo2052]

Exactly 👍 Nobody thinks that you buy something to just burn 🔥 it. If I buy an expensive shirt 👕 then everyone would think I am nuts if I just go home and burn 🔥 it. And that is exactly what they do with internally combusting car. One ☝️very big company is finally going to the closed loop production and it is the Apple. They have achieved economies of scale. Tim Apple promised and he is delivering. One day soon we will be able to recycle everything back to manufacturing. 2022 Finnish government owned research company VTT made a breakthrough and solved the plastic problem. We can now recycle 100% of the plastics to virgin materials. Worlds first commercial refinery to recycle 100% of the plastic waste will be tested and ready 2027. Then it will be wildly licensed around the world.

[@mylesgray3470]

Indeed! So much more cost effective to recycle a battery than it is to mine new minerals, unlike manny other recycling processes.

[@douglascutler1037]

An electric car can run further on the electricity used to extract and refine a gallon of gas than an ICE car can run on the gallon of gas itself.

[@TronJockey]

They conveniently forget to mention that fossil fuel refineries use Cobalt to desulfurize petroleum. As well Rare Earth materials ARE NOT used to manufacture EV batteries. Lithium, Nickel, Manganese, Cobalt, Aluminum, Iron, Phosphorus ARE NOT Rare Earth materials. They also forget to mention that Rare Earth materials are used in the manufacture of ICE vehicles for things like catalytic converters.

[@dallasdrew2390]

Great point.

[@peterjaspers3724]

I'm from Australia, I charge my ev with solar for free yes for free ,I'm saving around $500 per month ,I love it ,it has 500 k of range And covers all my day to day trips easy. Love my ev

[@bentaxelrod]

So am I and I totally agree.

[@tonyclif1]

My son changed from petrol guzzling 5 or 6 litre V8 to EV he charges for 8 cents (5.5 cents USD) per Kw. Saving $100s per month. The EV is faster than his old ICE as well.

[@aussie405]

My ev is eating yesterday's leftover sunshine while I sleep. For free.

[@rtmpgt]

I replaced my VE Commodore with a Tesla and right now i'm charging off my apartment's solar panels. I charge about 20kWh a day from solar. I can spend an entire day driving up to 250km, and then charge on one of my WFH days completely off of solar power. Fuel used to cost me $80 a tank and got me 450km. The Tesla costs me about $2 in lost feed-in tarriffs if i charge off the solar, or about $8 if i pull from the grid for a 20-100% charge. Even DCFC is insanely cheap. I charged at an Evie networks75kW charger recently, going from 50-95% and it only cost me about $15 to do so. That equivalent half tank in my Commodore would've cost me $40.

[@varanjitsingh9663]

I sure hope those solar panels were free

[@davidbeppler3032]

A family friend made fun of my Tesla last year. This year he used my refferal to buy one.

[@verttikoo2052]

Tell him to reconsider something like KIA.

[@mylesgray3470]

I’ve had a lot of people bag on EV’s and I just tell them, don’t knock it till you try it. The model Y is incredible!

[@verttikoo2052]

@@davidbeppler3032 Hottest car today is the KIA EV3. That clicks SO many things 🥳 Beats Tesla in every way. Keyword buttons. Check it out.

[@steelyspielbergo]

electric maga hats

[@markmiller8903]

You are a fool saying EVS are cheaper than ICE.

[@ziploc2000]

"Inconvenient for most drivers": is the exact opposite of the truth. If you can charge at home, as most people in the USA can, and drive mostly locally around 50 miles or less a day, as most people do, they are WAY more convenient.

[@N20Joe]

According to the study pointed out by Ben in this video, only 40% of people can park within 20ft of an outlet. If we accept that, then it is categorically true that for "most drivers" it would be inconvenient since they can't charge at home. If we're here to debunk myths, then we also shouldn't be accepting myths that appeal our side.

[@farmedb314]

@@N20Joeat 5:49 the chart says that 55% of all households have a plug within 20 feet 5:49

[@memecat57]

​@@N20Joe in fairness most people don't have a gas station at home either. My car gets 800 miles on 15 gallons and stll lament not getting to plug in and having to buy cancer water from some despot overseas. At least i don't a car payment that would be much more inconvenient than anything

[@joshcarter-com]

So long as you can park on your own property, it’s not hard to run a dedicated line for a EV wall adapter. It’s some money upfront but it’s ultimately what you want-easy charging right where you park.

[@N20Joe]

@farmedb314 After reviewing, you are correct. I was listening and heard Ben say 40% of people at 6:04. Although multi-car households would not do well with multiple EVs on a single household circuit, so perhaps that's where ben got the 40% from.

[@elviswsjr]

One thing I’ve noticed with anti-EVers is that they tend to quote outdated data points that are either no longer true or are improving. They never seem to realize or take into account that we’re not frozen in time. Technology is constantly improving, but they seem to think that EVs will always be the same as they are now and will never be better than ICE vehicles.

[@GeoffCurtis]

A lot of this is what delayed me getting an EV. Then a month after I bought my first, I bought my second. They do still have a lot of challenges, and in my opinion are not ready for the average consumer - BUT they will be, soon.

[@ouethojlkjn]

* Cough * OTA Tesla Updates....

[@Joe44944]

I love my tesla model Y I’m considering getting a 2nd one.

[@gabem8119]

they know what they’re doing, they purposely spew their lies for their agenda or others

[@mylesgray3470]

Indeed, which is why when people say I’m going to need to buy a $20k battery for my Tesla in 5 years, I just laugh. By the time I need a replacement battery, if I keep the car over a decade, it will be way way less than that.. because the EV train is not stopping and batteries are just beginning their long price decline.

[@ebaab9913]

Just in case people associate old age with Anti-EV, I am 76 and am pro mandates, because future poeple deserve clean air and land.

[@muskrat3291]

I agree with you. I am 75 and drive an EV. After decades of driving combustion cars I will never go back to gas.

[@Ozvideo1959]

I'm 65, and I probably won't ever buy another vehicle, as the one I have is good enough for me. The whole, let's all drive EV's so we have clean air argument is a load of bs. Transport accounts for about one fifth of CO2 emissions. That's ALL transport, cars, trucks, plane and shipping, so that will not solve the problem. Energy generation is the biggest cause of CO2 emissions, by a long way, at 40% of CO2 emissions.

[@charlescourtney4412]

I am 78 and own a Mach-E. Plus just leased a second EV -- a Kia EV9.

[@mosfet500]

I'll be 80 next April, been driving EV's for 8 years!

[@elainebradley8213]

We're in our 70's and have never been so excited with our car as we are with our Tesla. So much fun to drive.

[@IronmanV5]

What made me chuckle with the open pit mine pic was a meme spread by Albertan oil miners which showed an open pit mine claiming it was a lithium mine, next to a drilling rig saying that drilling for oil was far less damaging. The picture of the open pit mine was the Escondida COPPER mine. Also, oil in Alberta is produced by strip mining tar sands and extracting the heavy crude.

[@tannermcnabb4836]

Yea i have seen similar ones....BC person here. Showing a single drilling rig surrounded by green forests, and then an open pit mine of some kind. Completely forgetting how much tar sands are mined by open pit mines, let alone all the old derelict O&G wells abandoned all around Alberta, let alone the fact that O&G has a ton of upstream emissions that the somehow only think EVs do, etc., etc.

[@Maurus200]

8:00 He is talking out of his ass. If he is worried about chemicals moving then he has to include all the molecules for fuel, oil, exhaust, grease, etc to a gas engine as well. BTW this is essentially a category fallacy.

[@PlaidZoomer]

I thought the same thing

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

I think what he's referring to is that each battery cell expands when it gets charged to the edges of it are moving. This repeated motion every charge cycle is part of what makes batteries wear out over time. It's not completely wrong to call them moving parts that wear out. Fuel moving clearly does not cause wear, but the moving parts in the engine absolutely blow everything else out of the water in terms of wear and oil requirements.

[@IdiocracySpace]

Maybe Dark MAGA will be good for something.

[@Maurus200]

​@@adrianthoroughgood1191it isn't what he said. He talked about going into the microscopic range to find moving parts yet doesn't realize that a car engine has similar issues by causing vibrations and such. The design of a battery can be complex but the real life operation is not.

[@Rovert_0987]

It was a silly statement as was the rebuttal 30,000 parts in an ICE vehicle, might get to 10,000if you counted every ball & roller used in bearings individually The analogy was fairly good A very complicated battery with a far less complicated engine vs a very simple fuel source with a complicated engine. However I doubt he has ever seen the insides of a Tesla motor . One of the University schools of automotive engineering has a whole series of Tesla engine pull downs and the engineering that goes into them is astounding as is the number of different parts . It amazed me and left me with a sense of Awe & Wonder the precision & alloy selection is nothing short of out of the universe . OTOH each battery cell is composed of multiple parts they are a lot more complicated than a carbon rod running through a paste forming a cell with a zinc case .

[@verttikoo2052]

EVs already achieved the economies of scale. Same with the wind and solar. Genie is out of the bottle and you can’t get it back.

[@keepitreal2902]

@@verttikoo2052 But oh how they try!

[@verttikoo2052]

Yep they really want to squeeze it back

[@jamesphillips2961]

I hereby proclaim each hydrocarbon molecule in your gas tank as a moving part!! They're sloshin' around back there, right?

[@daemoncan2364]

...and zipping around at the atomic level much like the electrons in the battery that he seemed to enjoy pointing out.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

What's the cost of a full replacement of them though?

[@jamesphillips2961]

In my ICE I replace them every week. In my EV I just realign them, they are always there.

[@Yanquetino]

As far as I know there is NO mandate to buy EVs. There are mandates (say, for example in CA) that automakers cannot SELL taipipes by a projected date (2035, in that example). BIG difference! You insist of having a tailpipe? Go ahead and buy one -in another state if you insist. But… why would you? EVs are BETTER cars. Period. Subsidies? Somebody please ask Mills if he wants to end all OIL subsidies. Moreover, it's obvious that his math skills are lacking. Manufacturing my EV produced 10.67 metric tons of greenhouse gases, and building my solar panels generated 0.0018 metric tons. Yet after nearly 14 years powering my home and driving on sunshine using the pollution free 189 MWh generated, I've saved 214.5 metric tons! A drop in the bucket worldwide, but it does help ease my conscience a bit after the many years I was addicted to the fossil fools' "drug."

[@AWildBard]

2035 is the date for California

[@Yanquetino]

@@AWildBard Yes… a typo.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

😂, playing with words. No mandate to buy. Well unless you have to buy a new vehicle in 2035. Then you are forced to buy a EV.

[@Yanquetino]

@@Robert-cu9bm Nope. Buy it in a different state and drive it home. But why WOULD you not buy an EV? They're better cars.

[@dzcav3]

So, outlawing alternatives is not a mandate? By your logic, If the government outlaws milk fat in milk, it's not a mandate to buy skim milk? Sure, you could always travel someplace else to buy whole milk, if it's not outlawed at the someplace else also. Beam me up Scotty, there's no logic here.

[@paulgracey4697]

Hillsdale is in Michigan, no surprise. His points are protecting the training they do for the older industrial infrastructure and he is probably worried that since EVs are simpler, there will be fewer students learning emissions control theories and the maintainance of those ever more complex and expensive systems. He is just whistling past the graveyard.

[@sjsomething4936]

Hillsdale is a “Christian” institution which seems to be quite enamoured of bashing “Marxism, socialism” etc. etc. etc. I believe Mark Levin has been a guest lecturer there in the past. The school is literally a breeding ground for far right extremism. Mills is just a more soft-spoken peddler of disinformation that aligns with the Koch brothers pro-oil worldview (apparently Koch industries is a major employer of Hillsdale grads).

[@JamesR1986]

Hillsdale regularly advertises for Ben Shapiro, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and other conservative media outlets. They are as much an academic (or "academic") outlet for right wing talking points.

[@turret_sindrone]

I believed the wealth myth until very recently with EVs. I had a paid off '16 Civic and during routine service they convinced me to test a new one...long story short, the math for a new civic was identical to a new Tesla Model 3 LR RWD with my trade, and a $5k down payment. I bought the Tesla and couldn't be happier. $346 a month. I don't think I could go back to gas. Also, I work at Walmart. 😂. I get so much hate from everyone trying to tell me it's gonna break, or telling me how they would never buy one....whatever, I just smile and enjoy the shock and disbelief when smart summon picks me up at the door.

[@henli-rw5dw]

Ha. BYD Sea Lion, cost 15k. 120mpg. 1000 mile/tank. 50miles on charge. You'll only need to fill your tank twice a year. That's why you need 100% tariff.

[@randygraham926]

It's interesting that you get "hate" and not just some skeptical curiosity. Hate usually means the brain has shut down and the person is no longer interested in learning because it's threatening to their ideology or religion.

[@turret_sindrone]

@randygraham926 maybe hate was too strong a word. Mostly just "you're crazy" "I'd never buy one of those", "be careful your house doesn't burn down", "have fun replacing that battery" etc.

[@DaveQZ85]

​@@henli-rw5dw If you can't do home charging that's great. But you're carrying the complexity and weight of both EV and ICE systems. And really only using the EV system. The battery is going to end up cycling more and lasting shorter. If you're really only filling up so few times, as you describe, you aren't driving much daily. At that point, you might as well just go full EV.

[@henli-rw5dw]

@@DaveQZ85 Well, yeah, but people don't want to be limited. What if you need to go on vacation? It's basically the same price and you get the best of both world. If there is a charger, great. If not. 120mpg. As for maintenance, it's just like ICE. No big deal.

[@dalececil7527]

Ben, you missed at 7:04 where he says “garage where you can charge overnight because that’s how long it takes to refuel them.” Intentionally misleading statement. I suppose that if you had an EV with a 100kW battery and you drove it to empty every day and recharged to 100% overnight, it would take nine hours on a 11kW charger. Obviously not even close to a real world example.

[@TwoHawksHunting]

He tried to make a comparison to hundreds of parts in a battery to the thousands of parts in an engine/ transmission/drive chain. In reality, there is no comparison. 10:37

[@daemoncan2364]

@@TwoHawksHunting Also left out is the fact that many more of the parts on an ICE vehicle are subject to greater wear / deterioration. I'll take the contactor that moves 1/4 of an inch each time I start the car, over an alternator spinning 2400 to 10000 revolutions every minute the car is on.

[@turret_sindrone]

@@dalececil7527 great point. I drive a total of 80 miles a day and I recoup that charge in 3 hours at home at 32 amps. Who uses their entire range daily? It's so ridiculous.

[@clintwolf5737]

Exactly. I tell people that, yes, it can take hours to charge overnight. Then add, "But since I'm sleeping and not using the car at that time, it doesn't matter." Besides, if I need a fast charge, I'll go to a supercharger.

[@SianaGearz]

Also people who own the garage aren't the only people who can have an always charged car without having to ever go to a charging station. Because if you have total adoption, place of work would be another charging opportunity, where you conveniently spend 8 hours just about every day. Long term, there's no reason 90% of all parking opportunities shouldn't have at least a slow-charge top-up option.

[@lyledal]

My assumption is that Mr. Mills collects an additional paycheck from someone who is not Hillsdale College.

[@gabem8119]

they always do

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

You would be correct. He's bought and paid for by the likes of the Texas Public Policy Foundation and the Manhattan Institute, both tightly wedded to "Big Oil."

[@joeaverager]

Guess he needed to pay for a home rennovation? 🤑

[@keepitreal2902]

An oil company perhaps

[@davidl.beckwith4836]

Glad you reviewed this so I didn't reward him with a click!

[@pbreedu]

I have four gas stations within five minutes of my house. It takes me three minutes to fill up, and I can choose to pay with either cash or credit. Paying with cash might add two minutes to the transaction, but that's okay. I've been driving for over 30 years and have never run out of gas. If my car breaks down, it can be towed without damaging the gas tank. In the winter, waste heat from the engine keeps the car nice and warm. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

[@ChitFromChinola]

I’ve had a different experience. Charging my electric car takes 5 seconds - I plug it in and walk in the house. For my gas car, I have the hassle of oil changes several times a year. In the winter, it doesn’t always start unless I keep it plugged in - sort of ironic. Stopping at dirty gas stations is never pleasant, and in the winter it really sucks. And, the gas tank is always empty at a time that I’m in a hurry. Dealing with muffler and exhaust system problems is a hassle. I didn’t realize how much I disliked gas cars until I got an electric one. Now, I can’t wait to get rid of this one gas car I still have.

[@elginmercado5082]

@@ChitFromChinola Wow! That really sucks for you. I could never get tired of driving my BMW M3 or Porsche 911 Carrera 4, GTS!😂😂

[@ChitFromChinola]

When you go electric, your life gets better.

[@thomasdepaulo7950]

Im so glad you took the time to debunk this one! when I heard Mark for the first time I thought my head was going to combust 🤯

[@robertmuntz799]

let's put an electric car in a closed garage on a dynamometer and one ICE car in a closed garage running that same dynamometer. Which garage has toxic fumes that would dangerous to breathe?

[@sushiginger444]

Why? We don’t live in closed garages. Also, this used to be a method used by people who wanted to end it all, but since the introduction of catalytic converters, it doesn’t work any more - there are no toxic fumes.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

​@@sushiginger444there is less toxic fumes but not none. You still get nox especially from diesels. Both types have got better over time but you don't have to go back many years before they were a lot worse. I've also seen people say they remove to exhaust cleaning systems from their vehicles.

[@dadof3smellykids]

@@sushiginger444 are you confident enough in your beliefs to test that, its the facts that will kill you..

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Let's store them in a garage and see which one spontaneous combusts.

[@elmouto3883]

I guess battery factories just combust all the damn time.

[@henvan8737]

No one mentioned you can charge at home from ones solar system. My emission's are truly zero.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Except for all the emissions in making the soar and EV. Those will never be recouped.

[@elmouto3883]

As supposed to the oil recycling technology?

[@joeaverager]

@@Robert-cu9bm Actually that is a smaller amount that you assume.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@joeaverager Making an EV isn't a small amount of emissions

[@doublem6027]

Not everyone owns a home. A lot of people live in apartment complex in huge cities.

[@ven1483]

So the millions of renters in big cities who only have access to street parking aren't going to find charging EV's inconvenient?

[@joecushman6030]

If you live in a big city and street park you also must have great public transportation, so you don’t even need a car.

[@axscdvfb]

EVs are expensive? How about below $10000 cars in China? No we will put 100% tariff on them!

[@johnvannewhouse]

Go ahead and buy an EV from China. You get what you pay for.

[@axscdvfb]

@ no I’d rather buy a $100000 jeep

[@markr543]

Glad to have you defending EV's. Keep up the good work!

[@ziploc2000]

If he's on PragerU, you know he's a liar.

[@randygraham926]

That's a right-wing "Christian" perspective ... they're not remotely neutral in the way they present information.😂 According to them, anthropogenic climate chaos is not real either. I don't think they like evolution either ....

[@Jcewazhere]

Prager(lies to)U.

[@tony_25or6to4]

PragerU and Hillsdale College are both right wing misinformation outlets posing as academic organizations.

[@kevinmair7571]

UK had 25% EV car sales in November. 58.4% increase from 2023.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Why's that though?... And who's buying them?. Mandates and company cars. When it is people spending their own money they don't choose EV, companies only buy them because of the tax benefits. Mandates because manufacturers are forced to sell a percentage of EV so are heavily discounting so they don't get fined £10k per vehicle.

[@wowbagger66]

@@Robert-cu9bm I bought my first EV, a Renault Zoe, privately and a Tesla model Y through my company and it really doesn't matter how they are bought because they end up with private buyers when they are second hand. The mandates are certainly helping sales, there are some amazing lease deals at the moment and lots of private buyers are taking them up, which is a good thing.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@Robert-cu9bm - fewer and fewer people are buying cars with their own money, or bank loans, these days regardless of fuel-type, ICE included - the cost of finance just doesn't support such and those with cash are investing in savings rather than purchases. Most buy use cars or new cars through lease or company car schemes these days. This was even the case before EVs took off in the UK. BTW, those purchasing EVs through company car schemes are spending their own money with the lease, maintenance and services costs coming out of their salaries on top of which they pay additional tax as a benefit in kind use. It just that doing so with EVs, and until recently hybrids, is a little more tax efficient way of doing this than those buying ICE vehicles this way. The same was true until recently for Diesels that were more tax efficient than Petrol cars via company car schemes. However, of the circa 40% new cars sales that are currently sold via the private market segment, battery EVs have done well or at least better than other fuel types for much of the year. With BEV having enjoyed periods of positive growth this year in what has been a depressed segment for a few years now. BEV private uptake have bouyed up what would otherwise be an even more depressed market segment for most of the year and has only in the last two months seen a more emphatic swing to lease deals inline with automakers introduction end of year incentives for EVs. Contrast this with Diesel sales which have declined every month this year, and Petrol sales that have delined every month in the last eight months. Whilst BEV's gowth have been up every month this year, well before any potential impact of the ZEV mandate scheme kicked in. With Hybrid (PHEV and HEVs) growth up eight out of eleven months this year. The ZEV mandate is working as designed, it's both causing those more recalcitrant automakers to accelerate the transition to electrified vehciles and putting downward pressure on the costs of cars seeking automakers to improve manufacturing efficiency and pass the lower costs of making EVs onto consumers. As to whether manufactures are fined or not, analysis (by New Automotive) has determined none of the manufactures are likely to face fines this year - the ZEV mandate scheme has multiple 'credit' mechanisms that can offset them not reaching the 22% target (including converting the overproduction of non-ZEV CO2 credits - hybrids and certain diesels - to ZEV carbon credits). p.s. it's £15k per vehicle penalty on the ZEV mandate for cars. Although not raised by yourself, some have also claimed BEVs are being pre-registered rather than sold to consumers, this isn't borne out in the data as the proportion of cars pre-registered whether ICE or EV is similar and is at a background rate (cira 0.5% to 2% of sales volumes). These 'internal sales', such as pre-registration, have significant impact on automakers margins as these cars are often eventually disposed at a loss and also displace the sale of another car at nearer full asking price. With the profit impact of such costing more than than the £15k penality of the ZEV mandate, meaning this route offers little or no benefit to the automakers.

[@tomooo2637]

​@@Robert-cu9bmall wrong. There is a European mandate to lower emissions of all cars summed for each manufacturer over all cars or pay a fine. A manufacturer can improve the efficiency of a gas cars overall or increase the proportion of ev cars or sell more small efficient cars. Tesla don't sell at a loss, the profit level per car is highest for all cars. Some manufacturers like Ford are making huge losses, that is a problem of Ford, not a problem of EV cars. Chinese cars like BYD are cheap in China, and well priced in Europe before the tariffs, which are a tax on consumers.

[@rm-kx8et]

@@wowbagger66 till the lease company goes bankrupt, most dealers won't take second hand evs because they don't sell. plus depreciation is off the charts.

[@jonevansauthor]

This Mark Mills guy is an absolute spoon. What a muppet.

[@civwar64bob77]

The people who complain are usually the ones who think it's okay for states to mandate their own abortion rules, but it's not okay for their dear cars. And anyway, these 'madates' don't say you can't have a gas car--you can keep those you have and just hop over to another state to buy another. And it's many years away before any of these rules take affect.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

But that's the point, those mandate are coming forcing people to buy a vehicle that is unsuitable.

[@jimstone6570]

@@civwar64bob77 what "rules"?

[@plasticcreations7836]

Should be called 'The Unpopular Truth About EV Haters'. Im really fed up with hearing about people being forced to drive EVs - which they aren't.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

We are slowly, the UK is 100% only new EV but 2030. That is coming to a country near you soon.

[@GDM22]

@@Robert-cu9bm And when it gets closer the goal posts will be shifted again, which is already happening everywhere these mandates exist. Looks like it has already moved out to 2035 in the UK, it will be 2040 in 5 years.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@GDM22 That's a good thing, there shouldn't be mandates. Let the market work it out as they will innovate and get a better product or that will get people to buy them.

[@GDM22]

@Robert-cu9bm I disagree and the decision to do so is explained within economic theory. An EV is considered by Government as a merit good, the purchase of it by an individual instead of an ICE has positive externalities to broader society and left to their own devices, individuals will purchase less than desired when considering a broader societal view rather than a purely individual one. Translation, too many people are selfish and only think about themselves.

[@joeaverager]

@@GDM22 People left to their own devices would eventually make better choices but change would be very, very slow. Basically they would be prodded into buying something more up to date by their IRL peers. Meanwhile pollution would stack up. Our US cities would look like the city center of a 3rd world megacity. Not unlike the cities of my childhood here in the USA where we could see the pollution on a regular basis. Where we could see the oil on the asphalt from all the drippy engines and leaking rear axles. Draft tubes (crankcase breathers) putting oil on the streets every mile of every day. No, I enjoy my classic cars but I don't want our nation's daily drivers to be the 2024 equivalent of classic cars grossly polluting every moment they are driven. I worry about a comparatively tiny number of classics driving a few thousand miles a year. That's very different from the average American driving 15,000 miles every year in a car with no safety systems, and no pollution controls.

[@andrewjackson7785]

The air quality in the western world is already the best it’s ever been since the 70’s, so no need to pour billions into an additional few % that won’t make any difference. Mandates in the UK and Europe are continuing. The only cheap EV cars are Chinese; which are very poor quality, and depreciate dramatically, cost more on insurance. Only if you can charge at home is there a benefit. Prices are only dropping because EV sales are lower than governments would wish.

[@DanielDennett-l9n]

Did you actually watch this video?

[@davidnika446]

I saw this video, and it really galls me. Mills is one of those wealthy gusy who feels the need to knowingly bullshit as many people as possible, when he could make loads of money investing in the energy revolution. And there's NO WAY he believes the garbage he says. And Hillsdale calls itself a "college"? What a joke. Not to mention that the type of people he's appealing to often have an anti-intellectual, anti-education and "anti-elitist" bent- yet they are impressed by the aura that Hillsdale projects. Look at that suit, and the background. It's all high society stuff.

[@gabem8119]

that lowlife and the others know exactly what they’re doing

[@ahaveland]

Psychology - people are impressed more by how they sound and how they look than what they say. He's an expert communicator, but also a weasel peddling misinformation, and the average Joe can't tell the difference.

[@dzcav3]

Ben: Mandates aren't necessary because EVs are just so great. But mandates are a good idea because ICE vehicles gotten 99% cleaner and 2x more efficient. Also mandates at the federal (but NOT state) level are temporarily going away because of Trump. Ben: Automotive News says EVs are cheaper (assuming massive government subsidies; charging ONLY at home; assuming FUTURE instead of present battery replacement cost; and ignoring extreme depreciation costs) Ben: 68% of households can park car within 20 feet of electrical outlet (not specifying that the outlet may only be 120 volt, shared by multiple households, outside, subject to weather and theft, etc.) Ben: EVs don't make us more dependent on China because Mills may or may not support tariffs on China. (Me: Beam me up Scotty, there's no logic here.) Ben: EVs aren't expensive because people should buy used ones (and assume the risk of bad batteries or expensive replacement). Also, depreciation isn't quite as terrible as it used to be. Ben: EVs are less complex because they have fewer parts (as long as you don't count the multiple INTERNAL parts of each battery cell). Also, battery prices ($/kWh) are comparable to oil prices ($/barrel), so Mills is wrong, and this is old news. (ME: Beam me up Scotty, there's no logic here. What does battery STORAGE costs vs. oil costs (not even on an energy equivalent basis) have to do with complexity?) Ben: If you look at ONLY direct consumer subsidies, and ignore the billions of INDIRECT government subsidies (Texas Public Policy Foundation, October 2023 report "Overcharged Expectations" ~$50,000/car), they are really great. Ben: Mark is lying about EVs reducing oil consumption, but I agree with him. If we get to zero-emissions car AND electricity generation (and if pigs could only fly, and if poverty, exacerbated by high "green" energy costs, didn't kill more people) that would have health benefits. Ben: The claim that it takes 500,00 tons of ore to make an EV battery is false because the accompanying picture is the wrong type of mine, and SOME EV batteries don't need that much. Ben: EVs produce less CO2 than ICE vehicles, so we don't have to worry about the fact that they cause other types of pollution around the world. Oil also has to be extracted and processed. By implication, ONLY gas-powered SUVs are heavy and damage roads and emit particulate matter (contrary to actual facts that EV are heavier than comparable ICE vehicles, damage roads more, and cause TWICE the particulate pollution from tire wear as ICE vehicles). (Me: What was that line about bearing false witness?) Ben: Cobalt is used to desulfurize oil, so it's OK that it's also used in EV batteries. (FACTS: 45% of global cobalt is used for EV batteries, only 3% total for ALL catalysts for all purposes.) Ben: The oil industry gets TRILLIONS in subsidies each year. (Me: What was that statement about bearing false witness? Oil companies receive NO "subsidies" in the US. If you can find a subsidy, please inform the CEOs and stockholders of oil companies, because they are not getting any of them. Claims of subsidies are made by environmental advocates who claim that indirect effects of oil use use should be considered subsidies.) Ben: According to "FORECASTS", EV sales will be UP this year in Europe. (FACTS: "European EV sales see modest uptick in October but remain down [5%] year-to-date" story by Global Data on December 6, 2024 available on MSN.) Ben: EV sales are up in the US as well. (FACTS: US EV sales were DOWN in the first quarter (perhaps Mills was looking at older data), but up overall this year, largely due to incentives of more than 12%, higher than the industry average of 7%.) Ben: I find it so important that we fight back against the false information people are spreading like this. (Me: I totally agree that we should fight back against the false information that you are spreading.)

[@robertmunster1959]

@@dzcav3 Quite, I am genuinely interested to learn more about the pros and cons and was very much disappointed to find nothing much being debunked at all, and rather a lot of straw men and misuse of data. I think EVs are a good thing - if nothing else they reduce local pollution in cities - but there are clearly some serious downsides as well and nobody helps their cause by pretending otherwise. Actually, I think a huge mistake has been made going for battery EVs instead of hydrogen. Hydrogen is more expensive, but only because of rigorous safety regulation. I work for a bus company that has been looking at the pros and cons of different technology, and the facts about battery fire risks are really very scary, but there is pretty much no regulation about this. The Great Fire of London is nothing compared with what could happen in a city full of battery EVs.

[@hectorwinslove6154]

Guy's eluding to electrons as moving parts! Lol, perhaps go the whole hog and compare the moving atoms, protons and neutrons. Talk about clutching at straws, anyone would think he's being financially rewarded to spread such nonsense. I find it difficult to understand how people can sleep at night after promoting harming people's health.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

I thought about making that point also. He says "They're just microscopic moving parts" which I'm pretty sure wouldn't qualify as a moving part when talking about an engine 🤷‍♂️

[@htimsrecneps]

He is referring to ions, usually lithium ions. So they do have mass and move around inside the battery but not in the traditional sense. I don’t think most people would consider the 12V battery in an ICE vehicle a moving part.

[@steveknight878]

Indeed. Presumably he is ignoring the atoms moving around at very high speed inside a cylinder when the fuel/air mixture is pumped in, combusted explosively, and ejected. Much large quantities, moving at far greater speeds.

[@ahaveland]

He's talking about ions causing the anode and cathode materials to expand and contract as they flow between them. This is one of the mechanisms that limit cycles as the action gradually degrades the crystalline structure that accommodates them. New materials are being invented all the time that aim to solve this and we will see practically unlimited cycle life in due course. Meanwhile, battery prices continue to drop and before long you'll be finding them in your cereal packets!

[@hectorwinslove6154]

@@ahaveland So, let's compare with engine block expansion / contraction, corrosion caused by heat, metal particles in the oil from friction, oil degradation if he's going to make silly statements about ions & electrons being moving parts. The guy is a shill, that's pretty obvious.

[@flattire707]

As much as I admire Hillsdale College but Mr. Mills is just all wrong.

[@sjsomething4936]

Hillsdale is a mill churning out grads who are indoctrinated with very right wing politics, purportedly “Christian” but likely the toxic brand of nationalist Christianity which is in fact intolerant of other views and willing to use force to push those beliefs on others.

[@teardowndan5364]

EVs aren't better for everyone. At least not yet. If you cannot slow-charge at home, fast-charging is often more expensive than gas. In my area, fast-charging faster than 70kW costs about the same as gas and faster charging is up to 40% worse. Non-Tesla charging experience is consistently inconsistent due to wild differences in charging characteristic between vehicle models and brands, wild differences in fast-charger quirks and specs, interoperability issues between vehicles and chargers, less than perfect maintenance records for many charging stations, many fast-charging wastelands, some stations being speed-limited by their grid connection or throttled by local grid load, etc. We are still 5+ years away from all of this getting sorted out. Then you have the whole mess of parts for EVs being nearly impossible to obtain because manufacturers barely make enough to feed their manufacturing lines and internal warranty needs. There is also the problem with almost anything on EVs besides purely mechanical problems requiring ludicrously expensive scan tool and OEM licenses to access diagnostic data and software tools, drastically limiting service options. It may be fine for you if you lease new EVs for 3-5 years where most of it should be covered under warranty. Not so great for people who usually get second/third-hand vehicles to drive them well beyond the OEM warranty. While the cost of batteries may be going down, good luck finding known-good ones that fit your car after the battery warranty has expired. Unless the industry standardizes pack form factors and electrical specs to give platforms 20+ years long life cycles, your options will be mostly between refurbished and salvaged. Both of which insurers may be less than thrilled with. Unless mainstream EV batteries get standardized, it'll be about 15 more years before I might consider a used EV: five years until 10+ years old mass-produced mainstream EVs hit the used market, then 10 more years to see how those panned out.

[@Vardraq]

These debunking videos of yours are so very well done! The research you put into finding the facts is tremendously valuable, and the calm way you present the facts makes watching this very enjoyable.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Glad you like them!

[@ralphnolletti9988]

WTF Mills! I get so tired explaining to my age group (BOOMERS) why EVs are so much better than ICE vehicles. The old saying that with age comes wisdom is total BS. BOOMERS just get dumber by the day! (Insert scream here).🤬

[@junehanzawa5165]

​@@BenSullinsOfficialBen, at 5:46 you point to a study that says that 67.85% of households can park their cars within 20 feet of an outlet. Did we understood you correctly when you said only 40% could, or is that a misunderstanding on our part?

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@junehanzawa5165 The data show 68 million/55% of *_households_* can park within 20 feet of their residence. This figure translates to about 40% of the *_people_* in the US.

[@junehanzawa5165]

​@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt If that is what that study says, then it's a very poor study, and should not have been used here. Just looking at the US Census Bureau, it states that 65.8% percent of American households lived in homes they owned in 2022. And is expected to be 65.6% in 2024. Far, far higher than 40%. Even NYC, the largest, most crowded city in the US by more than double the next closest, has hundreds of thousands of houses with either garages or a private parking spot next to, or in front of, the house. It has almost a half million single family homes, and close to another quarter million two family homes. Some are a tight squeeze, but people still park their cars next to their houses even there. And even many buildings there have their own private, assigned parking spots under them. And yes, some tenants pay to have their own charger installed at their parking spot. And some building owners are beginning to add them themselves to make their apartments more desirable. So if it's done under those worse case of circumtances, you can bet the rest of America has a much, much easier time having their own parking spots to add a private level 2 charger. Be it in a garage, or next to their house. And again, that applies to over 65% of Americans. Meaning over 200 million Americans.

[@gambit633]

Re "Replacement cost batteries" you could also have mentioned recent batteries have much extended lives projected to outlast an engine in an ICE car .

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

They already do. Projections for current EVs are 200,000/12 years, 155,000/8 years for ICEVs. CATL recently introduced an EV battery with a 1 million kilometer/621,000 million guarantee.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Like how jaguar has just bought back all their vehicles because they can't fix the batteries. 6yr battery life, so compelling.

[@crackerbarrel6965]

Wow great! I can save $6,000 in fuel by buying a Tesla. And how much more money do I have to spend on a Tesla compare to a ICE sedan in order to “save” that? It’s like spending $1 to save a nickel. Then there’s the refueling, or in an EV case, recharging. When on the road in my ICE I can have full range and be back on the road with my Electra within 3 minutes. I don’t have to plan my trip around charging stations. How long to wait for an EV for full range while on the road? So essentially worthless for long trips then unless you plan to go coast to coast in 3 weeks. This whole thing about changing the planet’s temperature is not only left wing stupid it’s invalid “science”. Ever hear of the ice age? I guess dinosaurs exuded too much of the bad gases and caused it to warm up, eh? For God sakes they can’t even run their own cities and yet they’re gonna change the earth’s temperature? So I would never even consider buying an EV for three main points… 1. Initials cost of the purchase is nowhere’s near competitive in pricing for the average person. 2. The length of time to recharge the battery bank is not even close to what a person can refuel a near empty gas tank in. 3. When going on a long trip you literally have to plan it around charging stations and then, hopefully, they’re not inoperative like CA is experiencing. No thanks. Doesn’t fit my budget nor lifestyle.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

The charger installation alone would buy me a couple of years of gas.. But either way the stats are pretty clear; nobody is buying an EV to 'save money'. Aside from corporate fleets they are usually fairly wealthy people with the extra money and space for an extra car for short trips.

[@Commentariat-t1f]

EV fan here, but this is a seriously bad video. It literally gaslights the ICE argument with bad and dishonest arguments on many counts. Just a few examples... Complexity doesn't matter. We should be looking at reliability and reparability. How do EVs and ICE vehicles compare in this aspect in their second, third and fourth decades? In the video, health benefits are only assessed locally and emotionally, for example, the image of a smoke-billowing commercial vehicle on the one hand and a lazily-sourced image of a diamond mine on the other. In both cases, on both sides, it is selective evidence, but the true facts are not adequately explored. What about the personal and environmental devastation in developing countries, where the minerals are extracted? At the end of the day, a well-chosen used ICE car is a better choice for most people, for the foreseeable future. Personally, I run a super efficient European turbo diesel for long journeys and an e-bike for around town. I look forward to an electric car making economical and environmental sense. Who wants to buy my 20 year old electric bike? It's going cheap. I'll even throw in my 20 year old laptop free of charge...

[@johnwolf3294]

That's correct. Let the market decide. EVs aren't for everyone. I love my Model Y, but we need choice not mandates.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

By the way, for astute observers and students of human psychology, Mr. Mills has what's called a "tell." That is a involuntary physical manifestation of a behavior, in this case, notice how Mr. Mills lightly laughs throughout his video. What you'll soon conclude is that this laugh is the "tell" that he's about to knowingly say a falsehood (a lie, to be blunt). Watch and you'll see exactly what I mean. 19:00 is just one example of this when Mr. Mills outright lies about 20% EV sales reductions in both the US and Europe. There are many other examples both before and after this point in the video. I can only hope to have the opportunity to one day play high stakes poker with Mr. Mills.

[@thomasruwart1722]

Mark Mills verbal emissions are about as effective as a mosquito fart in a tornado. There are people who take him seriously but those people would be in the anti-EV camp regardless of Mike Mills. For people who understand the automotive industry, it is clear that Mike Mills is either clueless or is lying. That's my two scents 💩💩😁

[@christopherdean4117]

Lots of rich a$$e$ on the comments, everyone cannot charge at home, apartments or street parking area is not an option. Older homes need 30k in upgrades, not to mention all the rivan people with their 100k vehicles. Everyone is not well off!

[@elmojito]

What is lost in the discussion is the direction of where the world is going relative to the automobile. The world, in this case led by China, is going to be in a significant measure electric. The US can stay in its bubble, looking at its belly button, vehicle China totally dominates the world in the category. The US is not leading the world like it used to, except for Tesla, although when looking at the speed of the Chinese innovations even they will soon become less important. It is indeed sad to see this happen.

[@joshm3342]

When automobiles where introduced, they did not need a mandate. People adopted them according to their individual needs and means. Those who preferred horses & mules were free to continue using them. Today's situation should be the same. Let folks choose what's best for their own circumstances.

[@cyclenut9992]

I just saw a report claiming EVs are the most unreliable vehicles, please debunk this. Thanks for all you do!

[@undisclosedthai]

I think it can be true for some makes/models, especially Chinese EVs.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Did that report show any proof or verification? Or was it just the word of the person making the claim?

[@henli-rw5dw]

@@undisclosedthai Chinese PHEV cost 15k in China and are 120mpg, 1000mile per tank and does 50 miles on all electric mode. It's unbeatable cost and you only need to fuel your gas twice a year.

[@jamesphillips2961]

Care to post that report?

[@steveknight878]

From what I have gleaned on this (FWIW), the reliability issues include (and largely consist of) problems with the entertainment system, or seat heaters, or other unessential parts. The battery and motor (and running gear) are reliable.

[@verttikoo2052]

Just one ☝️ funny point… EV needs 40% less parts than internally compusting cars. EVs are easier to make. They need less tooling. Less work. Car manufacturers can make more profit if they play their cards right. You can make a cheaper car and actually make more profit from it.

[@ImLivinSD]

Please let VW, Ford, Chevy and all the other failed manufacturers know your secret ! They would love to hear your answer why they are loosing Billions !

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

EV powertrains actually contain 90% fewer parts than ICEVs. As for automakers, why does anyone think that the UAW doesn't want EVs? Because they cut the total labor required to assemble a vehicle. Additionally, that labor can be less skilled.

[@Rustynutz69]

@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt You're forgetting the thousands of cells that make up an EV battery... 🤔

[@Ruleof2plus1]

I'm seeing chevy bolts with over 350,000 miles and the battery degradation is less than 7%. I own 2 Electrics and my electric bill dropped once it got cold and I shut off my AC. So the cars use less to charge then my home AV. Most EVs have 6 moving parts the typical ice has over 2000 fragile moving parts. Few ice vehicles will go 300k without at least one engine and transmission replacement costing over $12000 combined.

[@davidgutting4317]

I think that we should end all subsidies for the auto industries. Including the oil and gas. If you have ever traveled outside the us oil and gas is fiercely expensive. Hmm, maybe that’s why EVs are so popular everywhere else.

[@ImLivinSD]

You mean expensive like here in CA where we have the most EVs

[@davidgutting4317]

@ nope, like London at over$10 a gallon

[@gorgonbert]

Let him talk all he wants... China passed 50% EVs this year... and the growth is breathtaking still... the truth does not need a lawyer... the US car industry better get their ducks in a row or perish

[@RivianDad]

Thx for this! One interesting fact I calculated when I produced a similar video for the Rivian Dad channel: I wanted to be able to visualize the amount of carbon the world puts into the air every year. I calculated that we emit the equivalent in weight of 411,000 fully loaded aircraft carriers, per year. It's hard to imagine that much carbon in the air every year wouldn't have an effect.

[@ahaveland]

Strange unit of measurement there, how about 7.32 billion African elephants per year instead? 😊 36.6 billion tonnes was the amount for 2023, and yes, it is leaving a mark that will last for millennia as the world's icecaps melt and displace people and disrupt life.

[@joshm3342]

I would like a MANDATE on removing LEAD from aviation fuel. Our children are breathing in lead anywhere small (non-jet) aircraft fly, which is mostly everywhere in the USA.

[@silveravnt]

The amount of time I've saved by "refueling" while i sleep is crazy.

[@justanotherguy7798]

If you have half a brain and ever have driven one you know EVs are absolutely the best.

[@windsurfertx1]

Thanks Ben for talking about the cobalt use in other industries as this was the last challenge faced with by a friend. He said “I’m not supporting EVs because they get cobalt from children in Africa mining with spoons”. However It’s still challenging because I go on line and I see hundreds of pictures of Africans digging in the mud. Well this can not be when there are 44 lbs of cobalt in a 100 kWh battery pack and approx 1 million EVs in one year. 44 million lbs of cobalt mined with shovels and spoons, I don’t think so.

[@waynerussell6401]

Cobalt is a by product from mining copper (69%) and nickel (29%).

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

@@waynerussell6401 You are correct. So-called "artisan mining" is where the child labor abuses exist and this accounts for a fraction of production. An even more important point is that manufacturers have almost completely moved away from cobalt-containing lithium battery chemistries (NMC, for instance) in favor of the cobalt-free and safer lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4, or LFP) chemistry.

[@Smidge204]

Regarding cobalt usage. Yes, the petroleum industry uses the most cobalt "in the catalyst sector" and the importance of cobalt in oil refining can and should be brought out any time someone complains about cobalt in batteries. However, the largest usage of cobalt across *all* applications is batteries by far; ~42% of cobalt is used in batteries vs ~9% in all catalyst applications[1]. The best counter argument here is that we can, should, and ARE making EV batteries that do not use cobalt, but we can't make modern gasoline or diesel without it. Worth mentioning as an aside, that in both EV batteries and refining catalysts the cobalt is recyclable. [1] Battery University, "BU-310: How Does Cobalt Work in Li-ion?"

[@peterjol]

The only anti EV rhetoric that I must confess has worked to some extent on me, is the fire risk fear, (although I think they are curing that danger with new battery technology) Trouble is I had never once even 'thought' about the danger of a petrol car parked in my garage catching fire ..It was something I had never heard about even though it must have happened, petrol car fires just weren't worth reporting in mainstream news ... but when it comes to EV's the mainstream media makes sure we do hear A LOT about every single fire that happens.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

stay tuned, more on this next week

[@ahaveland]

According to various studies, ICE cars are 60 to 100 times more likely to catch fire. They just don't make the news to be able to terrify the population because it would be bad for the oil business!

[@wileecoyoti]

Short version: EVs are the least likely (according to a study by an insurance tracker it might be as much as 50x more fires per gas car, hybrids are worse). I think it's basically exposure therapy: if you've never had a gas car catch fire you have the emotion that it's never going to, vs an unknown new thing. But really it's just never in the news because gas car fires are common, everyday things. There would be two or three every night on your local and folks would be bored and tired of hearing about it. It only gets reported if there's something unusual about it: someone was trapped, it damaged major infrastructure, or it was an EV. Reality is there's an unprotected (no fuse) 300-600 amp cable going between a cheap lead acid battery (which do occasionally develop internal shorts and have enough current capability to weld) and your starter motor. That cable is probably running down the frame not far from the thin tubes carrying a liquid chosen for how wonderfully energy dense and combustible it is. I've seen lots of car fires over the years but somehow never really thought it could be my own car. There's a lot more energy in a full tank of gas too, but alternatively fire departments are much more practiced at fighting that. And yeah, if you get one with LFP cells the risk is even lower. Ironically that's also a cheaper car, just less performance.

[@brucesobey3406]

There is a reason why our local regulations require a fire door between a garage and the house. It amazes me that the USA does not appear to have similar rules.

[@robertmunster1959]

@@wileecoyoti Yes but EV fires are far hotter. They cannot be put out, the fire brigade just have to stand back and let them burn, and hopefully stop anything else catching fire. The fire risks of EVs simply have not been thought through. I work for a bus company and we are only just finding this out now after converting about a third of our fleet to EV.

[@lawrenceleske3470]

Thanks for the analysis. Saw this as clickbait so passed. So much better with your right on comments!

[@jimbaptista7371]

Yeah EVs are going to work really really well in very cold weather - like it is now in Winnipeg, Canada. Minus 40 degrees Celsius. And, who will fix Evs? What if the battery takes a hit from road debris? Is the battery ok or not? You keep dreaming pal...

[@Matt-tt4cu]

@@jimbaptista7371 yeah agreed. Pretty much everything this guy said is ranging from severally stretching truth to flat out pro-ev propaganda being recycled from “sources” ordered to push the previous mandates or ones directly profiting from them. Yeah it’s entirely possible to have a positive EV ownership experience, but as someone who drives 2x the national average annually - of cars manufactured within the last 10ish years, I see more EV’s on the side of the road than anything. Seem the infamous “tesla fire” happen irl too. The EV ilk is rabid with their cope, so not much of a point in arguing. As the mandate and the tax subsidies are thrown in the garbage, the numbers will easily speak for themselves, and ICE will live on as the dominant power plant option for automobiles.

[@brentweaver3092]

Thanks Ben! I’ve been listening to you for years. Keep up the good fight. It’s going to be a difficult 4 years.

[@reinhardfuchs5181]

All ICE-cars replaced by evs brings only 5% CO2-reduction worldwide

[@mgreenester]

Unless you are not worried about how expensive that EV becomes, yes EV's will increase our dependency on China. You want to build an EV here in the U.S. Fine, where are you going to get the battery for said vehicle. We'll just make batteries here. Okay, where are you going to get the rare earths for said battery. Oh, we can near shore that. Really. So who's going to refine all those rare earths you bought from Mexico? It's ganna be China.

[@Eric-nq8on]

You make excellent points... Frankly, it's probably useless to argue with this channel owner however. EV seems to be a religion to him.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

Firstly, there are no rare earth metals in EV batteries. Secondly, rare earth metals don't come from Mexico. For goodness sake, please do your homework or others won't take you seriously. Now, if you want to talk about lithium, we get that from Chile and Australia. If you want to talk about where we make those batteries, there's a $6 billion battery plant not 30 minutes from me. Many more are coming, as well. Additionally, some of the largest lithium reserves in the world are in the US and we're standing up plants to do Direct Lithium Extraction where the lithium is separated from brine from deep underground, with the lithium-free effluent returned to the aquifer. This already being done on the Salton Sea in California and soon will be done on the Smackover Formation across the southeastern US and Thacker Pass in Nevada. These deposits contain enough lithium to completely satisfy domestic consumption requirements. Most current EVs use the lithium iron phosphate chemistry. So, after the lithium, which I described above, we also have plenty of iron, phosphate, graphite, etc.

[@Suds649]

The EVs are a rolling environmental hazard not to mention environmental hazards in creating the batteries and mining the materials for them.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

The powertrain of a 4-cylinder, automatic transmission, front-wheel drive ICEV consists of some 300 parts. I'm all too well aware, as I've actually built and rebuilt IC engines in my time. Beyond that, I've maintained, repaired and replaced powertrains on somewhere in the range of 30 or 40 vehicles since age 14. Meanwhile, the typical EV powertrain consists of fewer than 30 parts, for a 90% reduction in parts than are subject to failure, require regular maintenance, or must be repaired or replaced over the life of the vehicle.

[@brucesobey3406]

In reliability theory there is a truism we often hear: reliability is a function of part count.

[@jamesheartney9546]

The Mills dude is claiming that all the cells in the battery pack are "separate parts," like all the bits in a transmission or engine block or exhaust system.

[@MickMcGuire]

I call these guys oil bots, such a snake oil salesman

[@ahaveland]

Or a refined oil salesman, as opposed to a crude oil salesman that swears a lot!

[@martyhunterdurand]

Like all other people who try to bash EVs, Mr. Mark P. Mills probably have to much dollars invest in petrol companies !

[@dzcav3]

Ben: Mandates aren't necessary because EVs are just so great. But mandates are a good idea because ICE vehicles gotten 99% cleaner and 2x more efficient. Also mandates at the federal (but NOT state) level are temporarily going away because of Trump. Ben: Automotive News says EVs are cheaper (assuming massive government subsidies; charging ONLY at home; assuming FUTURE instead of present battery replacement cost; and ignoring extreme depreciation costs) Ben: 68% of households can park car within 20 feet of electrical outlet (not specifying that the outlet may only be 120 volt, shared by multiple households, outside, subject to weather and theft, etc.) Ben: EVs don't make us more dependent on China because Mills may or may not support tariffs on China. (Me: Beam me up Scotty, there's no logic here.) Ben: EVs aren't expensive because people should buy used ones (and assume the risk of bad batteries or expensive replacement). Also, depreciation isn't quite as terrible as it used to be. Ben: EVs are less complex because they have fewer parts (as long as you don't count the multiple INTERNAL parts of each battery cell). Also, battery prices ($/kWh) are comparable to oil prices ($/barrel), so Mills is wrong, and this is old news. (ME: Beam me up Scotty, there's no logic here. What does battery STORAGE costs vs. oil costs (not even on an energy equivalent basis) have to do with complexity?) Ben: If you look at ONLY direct consumer subsidies, and ignore the billions of INDIRECT government subsidies (Texas Public Policy Foundation, October 2023 report "Overcharged Expectations" ~$50,000/car), they are really great. Ben: Mark is lying about EVs reducing oil consumption, but I agree with him. If we get to zero-emissions car AND electricity generation (and if pigs could only fly, and if poverty, exacerbated by high "green" energy costs, didn't kill more people) that would have health benefits. Ben: The claim that it takes 500,00 tons of ore to make an EV battery is false because the accompanying picture is the wrong type of mine, and SOME EV batteries don't need that much. Ben: EVs produce less CO2 than ICE vehicles, so we don't have to worry about the fact that they cause other types of pollution around the world. Oil also has to be extracted and processed. By implication, ONLY gas-powered SUVs are heavy and damage roads and emit particulate matter (contrary to actual facts that EV are heavier than comparable ICE vehicles, damage roads more, and cause TWICE the particulate pollution from tire wear as ICE vehicles). (Me: What was that line about bearing false witness?) Ben: Cobalt is used to desulfurize oil, so it's OK that it's also used in EV batteries. (FACTS: 45% of global cobalt is used for EV batteries, only 3% total for ALL catalysts for all purposes.) Ben: The oil industry gets TRILLIONS in subsidies each year. (Me: What was that statement about bearing false witness? Oil companies receive NO "subsidies" in the US. If you can find a subsidy, please inform the CEOs and stockholders of oil companies, because they are not getting any of them. Claims of subsidies are made by environmental advocates who claim that indirect effects of oil use use should be considered subsidies.) Ben: According to "FORECASTS", EV sales will be UP this year in Europe. (FACTS: "European EV sales see modest uptick in October but remain down [5%] year-to-date" story by Global Data on December 6, 2024 available on MSN.) Ben: EV sales are up in the US as well. (FACTS: US EV sales were DOWN in the first quarter (perhaps Mills was looking at older data), but up overall this year, largely due to incentives of more than 12%, higher than the industry average of 7%.) Ben: I find it so important that we fight back against the false information people are spreading like this. (Me: I totally agree that we should fight back against the false information that you are spreading.)

[@kenth151]

EV's are maybe good for some people, but not a majority. Explains why sales of pure EV's have slowed so much. PHEVs make more sense.

[@simonkriznik3437]

Since Hertz bought 100.000 Teslas, its value has dropped by 90% due to depreciation of up to $537 per vehicle per month.

[@greenftechn]

And??? Much of that depreciation resulted from price drops for new Teslas.

[@simonkriznik3437]

Hertz is selling their Tesla fleet because it is depreciating faster than earning profit. And why is Tesla dropping prices? And that is even with a 100% tariff on China EVs and subsidies.

[@mondotv4216]

2:00 The market share is declining for combustible vehicles" Last time I checked most vehicles were "combustible". I think you meant combustion...

[@geoffshelley2427]

LOL, you know what he meant.

[@kacornish1]

There are a lot of EV haters out there with ridiculous anti-EV propaganda. The pro-EV “spin” in this video is not as bad, but also not entirely honest. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

[@RonBme]

Or the tanker ship that spill crude oil in our oceans

[@randygraham926]

Many tanker collisions have created horrific environmental disasters. Also, costal drilling for oil, etc.

[@qilu2004]

The US is failing to move forward on transitions to EV. This is not the job of individuals but the government. Public charging infrastructure shouldn’t be that hard to built. EV are already cheaper than ICE, WITHOUT subsidy. Just take a look at China. Just because Detroit doesn’t want to reinvest doesn’t it make it truth. I cannot imagine what the near future is going to be like. Those in Mexico would feeling going back in time when they travel north to the states and see all the ICE on American streets. How ironic that is!

[@randygraham926]

It's possible. Thailand is ready to convert to almost all EVs ... and they're supposedly a "3rd" world country.😂

[@charlescourtney4412]

"Those in Mexico would feeling going back in time when they travel north to the states and see all the ICE on American streets. How ironic that is!" America will look like today's Cuba (with all those cars from the 1950s on their roads) -- only we will have outdated ICE cars on our roads when the remainder of the world has gone electric.

[@RonBme]

Humor me for a second. My question is how long do we have before we run out of oil to fuel our vehicles?

[@markboscawen8330]

At current consumption rates, about 90 years before we run out of economically recoverable oil. (300 years for coal). Sooner or later, the world is transitioning to 100% EVs. It just that a few haven’t yet realised it.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

It's not a question of when we'll run out of oil. It's a question of when will we reach a point when the oil that's in the ground will just become too costly to extract. The simplest law of economics is the correlation between supply and demand. So, as we decarbonize, the demand for oil will decrease and the price to the consumer will increase. For a point of reference, at 50% of the installed ICEV fleet converted to EVs, the demand for oil demand decreases by 34%. That's going to make oil and derivative products more expensive, which, in turn, will accelerate the pace of conversion as the economics of EVs over ICEVs becomes obvious and undeniable to everyone; even those who today are in the anti-EV camp.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

​@@markboscawen8330 That's what they say and have said many times in that last 50yrs. Yet we find new ways to recover it. And will do the same in the next 59yrs

[@markboscawen8330]

@ Completely Agree. We’re picking the low hanging fruit. What reserves are left will become more difficult & costly to extract over time until economics dictates it’s no longer worth it. Before then, as demand for oil & liquid fossil fuels decreases the oil companies will lose economies of scale. Pushing up the price of these fuels for ICE motorists. It will get to the stage where ICE diehards will only be able to afford to use their car for a nostalgic ‘Sunday drive’.

[@RonBme]

Help me. I'm lost here. The title says Russia reveals shocking casualty numbers. Yet this guy is talking about South Korea. So I think I have made a left when actually I've made a right so I need to to back up and find my way back home

[@lemongavine]

The reason they don't give the subsidy to the manufacturer is because they don't want wealthy people to reap the benefit of it. Wealthy people don't qualify for the EV incentives

[@brembodream]

Great video🤩 really enjoy how you rip appart his arguments😂 Greetings from Oslo Norway😊

[@Optimistprime.]

I really find people who are anti EV really downplay the effects of oil spills and rig and oil field fires. Not to mention how inefficient the whole oil producing cycle is with oil!

[@josephlansberry737]

Have you considered the hazordous waste the EV batteries are creating.

[@Optimistprime.]

@josephlansberry737 there is a cost to making batteries. But anti EV people again, downplay the efforts that have gone and are going into solving those issues. While the current battery tech uses lithium, many batteries like LFPs don't use cobalt. Other battery tech are close to mass production. But again most people down play these advancements as if they aren't real.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

WTF is this utter nonsense. Talk about cherry picking figures and bending them to fit your own world view.

[@oerthling]

I'll mever understand the "only" 10% argument. 10% is a lot. And it's the 10% we already have a solution for. To make this point extra obvious: Let's say to get to co2 net 0 we have 10 areas to fix. And all 10 areas have an equal 10% impact. Solve all 10 and we're at net 0. But according to the extremely idiotic "only" 10% argument we're solving none of them because each are "only" 10% 9f the problem. This was never solve 1 thing and climate change is fixed. It was always many things that need to aggregate to solve this. EVs are just a relatively simple, convenient and efficient and most of all available right now part

[@RandyWhitton]

I am sorry but you are changing the facts to meet your needs I am a nickel miner for 35 years in both open pit and under ground so some where in the world you will have one or the other so showing an open pit mine for diamonds is just generalizing the mining to simplifying the where it is excited out of the earth

[@jaymondy]

Regarding Subsidies.... Oil and natural gas has been subsidized. For many years.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Not in the same way. The subsidies are things like not charging tax on fuel for vehicles they don't use the road network. IE: fuel for a tractor. These subsidies benefit everyone who eats, not just the wealthy few who can afford a new vehicle. So the subsidies can not be compared.

[@arthurschalick2362]

This KZbinr uses a click bate title to make you think the fire was caused by the school bus electric drive system. In fact it was the auxiliary diesel heating system. Then he supposes that a battery pack between the frame rails are vulnerable to catching fire before students can escape. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJ-ulod4hqaUsMksi=nhz4CRUK5iP_C6Ap

[@biovmr]

another salient point the EV-haters fail to acknowledge is the technology improvement to cost/performance curves of ICE vehicles vs EVs. ICE vehicle TECH is NOT going to improve at the same rate as EV tech. EVs already outperform ICE on every metric except range, and they will widen the gap on most performance metrics over time, while simultaneously dropping in average price. Agree, mandates are unnecessary for that reason alone.

[@loums52]

Thank you again for a great video. I saw this video online and glad you were able to “review” it. The disinformation hits just keep on coming but thankful for your site for debunking them. 🚗

[@cre8tvedge]

One note on the EV sales. As Ben pointed out they are not declining but ICE sales are and have been since 2017 - and that's world wide.

[@lsh3rd]

An electron is now a moving part?? LOL!!

[@That-Guy_]

The fuel is moving from the tank to the engine but he omits that.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

I think attacking the meme about mining because they used a photo of the wrong mine is weak. A copper or cobalt mine looks just as bad. The photo doesn't make any difference. It's not an effective gotcha. You didn't even mention that cobalt and nickle aren't needed for LFP batteries which most new cars have now.

[@Suburp212]

That gut is so fake. How can he be at a college?

[@AndreAngelantoni]

Any engineer (if that's what he is) who says batteries have as many moving parts as an internal combustion engine should have his license revoked.

[@othmanhassanmajid8192]

He has an old tired brain.... good for nothing nor ornament, worm food😂😂

[@elmouto3883]

EVs are for those who can afford a garage. Poor people should just stick to ICE or public transportation.

[@petermblais]

I don't really like it when the government mandates anything. From telling me what I have to buy, to mandated sentencing. I generally prefer freedom and commen sence

[@steveknight878]

The problem with that is that common sense is a rare commodity.

[@markboscawen8330]

Unfortunately that type of freedom just leads to harm to others. Ie someone’s freedom to, can impinge on another’s freedom from. Vehicle related example is removing lead from gasoline. The freedom of oil companies to add it to their product impinged on the freedom of others not to be harmed by a toxic substance. Hence why Govt mandated it no longer be used in fuel. Looking at the bigger picture, Govts are mandating, subsidising and/or promoting EVs to assist mitigate climate change. Which will harm others if left unchecked. So really no different to removing lead from gasoline, just on a larger scale.

[@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt]

Besides the debunked myth about the environmental impact of EV battery manufacture, Mr. Mills conveniently omits the environment impacts of oil and gas extraction. His statement also lacks any kind of context or perspective. His 500,000 pounds of rock for one EV battery claim is simply made to shock. So, for a bit of context, I'll include below an abbreviated version of the comment I left on Mr. Mills' video: 1. The entire carbon debt of manufacturing an EV (not just the battery) is completely paid off within only two years of average driving. On the other hand, ICEVs pollute and emit greenhouse gases for their entire lifetime. On average, EVs contribute 53% less pollution/GHG emissions vs. their ICEV counterparts over their lifetimes. 2. The impact of coal extraction: • 30 metric tons of earth must be mined/processed to obtain 1 metric ton of coal. • 4.7 billion metric tons of coal were consumed worldwide in 2023. • Therefore, 141 billion metric tons of earth were mined/processed in order to meet 2023 coal demand. • 621,702,840 is the equivalent number of EV batteries that could be made from the amount of earth mined/refined to satisfy a year's worth of worldwide coal consumption. • Put another way, the amount of earth mined/refined to satisfy just over two years worth of coal consumption would be enough to completely replace the entire worldwide fleet of 1.31 billion light duty vehicles (2020 data). 3. The impact of tar sands extraction: • 2 metric tons of earth must be mined/processed to obtain 1 barrel of synthetic crude oil. • Alberta, Canada produces 1 million barrels of synthetic crude oil per day, or 365 million barrels, for 730,000,000 metric tons of earth mined/refined annually. • 3,218,745 is the equivalent number of EV batteries that could be made from the amount of earth mined/refined by Alberta's tar sands operations. 4. The impact of copper extraction: • 200 metric tons of earth must be mined/refined to obtain 1 metric ton of copper. • Annual copper production is 22 million metric tons. • 19,400,656 is the equivalent number of EV batteries that could be made from the amount of earth mined/refined to satisfy annual copper consumption; more than enough for 2023 EV sales. Somehow even Mr. Mills' claim of 500,000 pounds of rock for one EV battery lacks its shock value when context is provided.

[@dochi1958]

Missing TWO huge things- the maintenance on EV saves tons of money, it's NOT just gas vs. electric! In 5 years we've only had to buy 3 gals. wiper fluid and 1 gal anti-freeze for our EV! (and 13.54 @ month on electric if you want to factor in that) NO oil changes, tune ups, etc, etc, Second, the batteries will last for AT LEAST 200,000 miles! What ICE car lasts that long??

[@CulinaryCruiseClub]

Does EV sales figures include hybrids?

[@dzerres]

How about noise as an environmental problem? I love that my EV is silent. SILENCIO! i love it and my neighbors love it. Now if we could force them to electrify Harley-Davidsons life would be so much better.

[@junkerzn7312]

Not sure if there is any value debunking a conservative mouthpiece for the O&G industry.

[@jchism759]

Seems like the anti-EV skeptics like to complain about EV subsidies but oil and gas subsidies far outweigh EV subsidies and no one complains about them. I wonder what price gas would be without the oil and gas subsidies? The US pays far less in gas prices because of this.

[@wizzyg75]

I would really like to see a debunking of "Out of Spec Reviews" Top 10 issues with EVs as they cover some of the problems in this video.

[@Profcrab]

I finally got a chance to drive an EV as a rental. The car drove fine. Great for dealing with traffic with regenerative breaking. However, the rental experience isn't great. I expected finding a charger near LAX to be no problem, it actually was. Since they aren't locations like gas stations where they are ubiquitous and easy to see, you have to use an app to find one and since charging times are longer than a gas fill up, if those spaces are taken (which was the case when I drove the extra 10 minutes to get to one), you are stuck waiting or hunting again. Obviously this isn't an issues if you own one as a commuter and just charge it at home, but I made two efforts to use a charger in LA. One that showed up on the map just didn't exist there and the other was full and I was out of time. Luckily, Budget was forgiving when it comes to the return charge level. I suspect they know this is a problem. So, unless I am confident the rental company isn't going to charge me if I bring it back below 70% and I'm confident you wont need to charge it during your trip, I'm going to avoid renting one. Second, I think EV's keep getting a pass on their cold weather performance. I was considering an EV as a way to cut travel costs when commuting to my home office very month. However, I live where it is generally sub-40 degrees F during the late fall through spring. I asked a friend, who also lives in a cold climate, who owns and EV how is experience has been. He warned me off of it. In saying in the cold he said it gets terrible range. This means I would definitely have to stop to charge and to charge and at the expected range loss, I might not have to stop to charge once, but twice, versus a single gas up in an ICE car. So, I think the blanket statement of "they're just better" is wrong. They are better in some very common situations, using it for commuting and have home charging available. For trips in warmer areas, probably mostly fine as long as you're accounting for the extra charging time. For trips in cold areas, pretty bad experience (expecting a 25% range drop). I'd argue that for trips even in warm areas, it's still a worse experience than an ICE. Cheaper, sure, but it will lengthen the travel time. This isn't an anti-EV message, just a reality of the infrastructure and tech at the moment and the situations where it isn't better.

[@fuzzymonkey777]

You can get an old Nissan Leaf for less than $5,000. They usually have a range of 73 miles compared to their 84 original capacity. I bought one to save money monthly ($40) but the regenerative brakes and instant torque make my back up vehicle hard to drive now.

[@glennalexon1530]

EVs do cost more, the vast majority of EV buyers do not live in the four "highest-savings" states, and the $8000 savings Lutz referred to included tax credits. Debunked!

[@glenf4115]

Loved the countries ranked by low carbon power sources. Here on the west coast of Canada our fuel/petrol cost is almost double what California pays yet our 90% green/renewable electricity is 1/4 their cost = EVs are more than 10x cheaper than ICE vehicles.

[@glennalexon1530]

I don't think the federal government can end state mandates on EVs. You seem to be willfully ignoring the different levels of government.