THE PROBLEM WITH THE JOKER

The Joker is Batman 's arch nemesis, his full time enemy ----
But he's not exactly alone in that endeavor.
Batman has a full rogues gallery to choose from ---
and yet, there's no shortage of criminal clowns.
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[@thewanderingronin5433]

Joker is used so much because he's a safe bet. He's an insane antithesis to batman, so he pretty much writes himself and he has draw power when it comes to audiences. But I do wish they'd take risk on other lesser known batman rogues

[@zemox2534]

They need to take risks. The safe option isn't always the best option

[@malikhansen95]

yeah, dc really needs to focus on batman's true intellectual rival, the Penny plunderer, along with batman's deadliest foe, condiment king.

[@zemox2534]

​@@malikhansen95 Polka dot nan is the true arch enemy of Batman

[@maverickdarkrath4780]

​@@malikhansen95 don't forget the most evil of them all...the bad samaritan

[@Pat12379]

I want condemnt king

[@DaLockedOne]

I genuinely think pattinson’s batman needs to face off with only street level threats like penguin, black mask, zasz and hush. I think the oddest movie they can pull off is a mad hatter or a Pyg movie.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Marcus Lee If that's what yall want then fine. I want that for you. But that also sounds boring as hell if it's going to be exactly like the 2022 movie. With no personality. Black Mask was more interesting as a mask-obsessed villain rather than a torture-obsessed villain. Both are street-level. Honestly every villain is kinda street level other than the batman and Robin movie villains and the post-golden age Clayface. Still, might be a good idea

[@thebeaver8456]

Heard Mr Freeze is gonna be in the sequel

[@erickrafaelfloreslara8501]

Pyg would fit perfectly in Pattison s universe

[@darthcalculus6002]

Maybe deadshot or deathstroke as well.

[@randallflagg3700]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 - To be fair to Black Mask, he hasn't been this "torture obsessed" crime lord for a long, long time now; except for his role in *Birds of Prey* (with the whole face-peeling thing), he's been back at being Mask-obsessed for a while now. Like in the *Batwoman* show for instance, which is sadly a great, multi-layered Roman Sionis... sad, because since he's stuck as a good character in a crappy show, no one will ever see this performance. Black Mask has also a pretty big role in the "Harley Quinn tv-show comic book", after the *Eat-Bang-Kill* tour, and it just made me wish he was in the animated series proper. Anyway, I'm not sure how soon a new live action Black Mask will appear, since he's been done semi-recently in *Batwoman* , but I'll be there for it.

[@justinbowers2749]

I absolutely agree! Joker Fatigue is a thing, and I feel we need more of Batman’s rogues gallery, not just Two-Face, Ras Al Ghul, or Mr. Freeze; I’m talking Scarface, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, Clayface that sort of thing

[@lukeyznaga7627]

well said , Justin. FAigue is growing IN ALL the industry of superhero movies and charachters. Time to let other characters appear.

[@SoyboyPeter]

Joker being overused isn’t a problem with the character. That’s a problem with the creator of the project he’s involved in.

[@frankkennedy6388]

Definitely had enough of Ras Al Ghul. He's in the Nolan movies, Gotham, and even the Arrowverse.

[@aghostwithflowers]

scarecrow is deadly underrated... The fear towin is an amazing trope and you can do so much with it

[@lukeyznaga7627]

@@aghostwithflowers agreed. he is the one guy who can cause problems even for stronger DC heroes. A lot of stories can be done with him.

[@niteguardian7]

I've always seen Bane when written correctly (only really happens in the comics, sometimes), as a better Archnemesis for Batman. He is supposed to be stronger and faster to the point he doesn't need gadgets, while also being just as strategically intelligent. Some versions of Bane even call the Bat out for all the gimmicks seeing it as a cover-up for weakness, and the crazy part is - he's right, Batman is an ordinary human amongst super-beings and is ultimately just a scarred little boy trying to make sure nobody else shares the same fate he had, Batman is as much a cover-up for those weaknesses in Bruce as Bane's venom drug is for Bane.

[@KattyBlack10]

Wow i never thought of it that way

[@blaxpoitation8528]

That’s a really good point. Tbh, I’ve said the same thing about Batman. The problem that the writers have created with the Batman, is his blatant hypocrisy. They’ve amped up and made the Joker so incredibly psychotic that he actually does cause EXACTLY what Batman claims he wants to prevent. Because Batman allows to live (and yes im aware of his rule), he causes unspeakable chaos and destruction. He creates orphans just like Bruce. But they don't have a loving butler, or billions of dollars to cushion their fall. This is one of my primary issues with both Batman and the Joker

[@fynnthefox9078]

Right? Batman's got so many villains, why can't we get a spotlight on villains like Scarecrow or Two-Face? Or Hell, I'd love to see the Ventriloquist get an origin movie like Joker.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

Or hell.its a shame that Harley gets so much screen attention for as one dimensional as she is and yet Pamela Eisley really hasn't gotten very much in the way of film adaptation

[@fynnthefox9078]

@@wizard_of_poz4413 Batman & Robin...

[@dylanburton4955]

@@fynnthefox9078 A horrible adaption, Poison Ivy needs to be done well finally

[@randallflagg3700]

@@dylanburton4955 - Poison Ivy was done pretty damn well in live action in 2022, but since it was in the third season of *Batwoman* , no one watched Bridget Regan's performance. I had given up on that show at that point, but when I read that DC would loan Pamela to the CW for 3 episodes (and no more), I decided to give her small arc a shot... I'm glad that I did, her story was actually pretty good... I just wish Luke Fox/Batwing fought her solo, since both Batwomen in this show have been pretty awful. So yeah, like Black Mask in season 2, and Red Alice in season 1, Ivy was done very well in this show. The issue is that everything else sucked, so aside from hardcore fans of Ivy willing to sit through 3 episodes of that show just for the Ivy parts, who's gonna witness it?

[@jasontodd1896]

Exactly

[@oliversvoice4383]

I think the Joker problem started with Ledger: Tracking the character in popular culture, Romero’s Joker was just part of a roster of villains (he’s given some special attention, his stories in season 1 for example do feel like event episodes, but he doesn’t overshadow the show as a whole), Nicholson was arguably the first big boom in the character’s popularity (with Mark Hamill’s animated counterpart catching the attention of many-a-bat-fan), but Heath Ledger’s Joker had this hold on popular culture that can still be felt, today. Since Ledger, any actor whose taken on the role (in live-action) had eyes on them and, as great as Ledger is, this gave way to a Joker over saturation that has, unintentionally, dampened the greatness of the character. When he turned up in The Batman, I shrugged which shouldn’t be the reaction when you introduce a major player like that into the series. Hopefully, in 10-20 years time, we’ll be able to put The Joker in the shadows and build him up in the background; give other villains their time to shine… or maybe we’ll forever be seeing that clown show up, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Edit: Just to clarify, I do not mean Ledger himself was the problem, it’s that Ledger’s Joker (and the phenomenon that the character created) is where I think the problem started.

[@randallflagg3700]

The Ledger Joker phenomenon was indeed crazy, even _before_ the movie came out that was all comic book fans talked about, he was at the center of all the promotion, all the doubt that surrounded the casting of Heath Ledger as Joker, followed by his passing, was erased by the buzz around the performance. The stories about how meta Ledger played it, with exaggerated tales of staying locked up trying to become as crazy as possible, that was back when the average movie-goer still believe that it was "the role that killed him!!!" And then of course, when the public could finally watch the movie, his performance was impeccable, so the legend grew out of control. We would have to wait for the MCU Thanos for another supervillain to generate that much hype.

[@JazzyJeffRealTalk]

Agreed. I want to see Mad hatter, court of owls, Clayface and deathstroke on the big screen

[@thehumblepotatoreborn9313]

Court of Owls would suit Pattinon's Batman so damn well

[@kendi5391]

@@thehumblepotatoreborn9313 Pretty much every villain would fit Battison tbh, guy has the best gotham.

[@TheAnti-Lgtv]

@@kendi5391 Yeah and that's why I want these Type of Batman Villains to appear

[@kendi5391]

@@TheAnti-Lgtv I would love to see Scarecrow in this universe. And condoment king as the big bad in Brave and The Bold

[@frankkennedy6388]

Since I only know Clayface from "Harley Quinn", I can only imagine the movie being very cringe and short.

[@turkish2515]

I absolutely 💯 % agree with you. He over shadows every other villain and they force him into everything

[@jasontodd1896]

Exactly

[@caylya7869]

I mean Batman Returns, Batman Begins, and the dark knight rises proves you don’t need him.

[@KnightsRealm98]

My biggest frustration with Arkham Knight was that Joker took the spotlight from Scarecrow. Crane is my favorite Batman villain, I just love his concept, and it was nice to see him take the lead...until nah, he's second fiddle to Joker's ghost. Of course, Scarecrow tends to take the background to other villains when he could easily helm his own story. But yeah, Joker's great, but he's oversaturated

[@mayte8916]

I feel the same scarecrow is also my favourite villain and i was so excited for Arkham knight. I still love it and its still my favourite arkham game but man joker STILL being shoehorned into the plot after dying was so disappointing to me

[@SoyboyPeter]

@@mayte8916 Joker in Arkham knight is absolutely crucial for Batman’s internal conflict though

[@SoyboyPeter]

Joker didn’t take the spotlight from scarecrow. Joker didn’t even do anything in the game due to him being deceased and being an hallucination. He’s never at any point a top priority. Scarecrow is the ultimate force to overcome throughout the entire story. Hallucination joker even comes as a direct result of fear gas.

[@SoyboyPeter]

@Son Of Dante Scarecrow managed to get Batman to reveal his identity. This is pretty permanent. Monologuing wasn’t the only thing he did.

[@rebeccaunboundmallard]

Really? My biggest frustration with Arkham Knight was the cobra tank boss fight with Deathstroke, and the second cobra tank boss fight in the main story line. I haven't raged at a video game so badly since Assassin's Creed, with the "PLEASE SIR I'M HUNGRY, GIVE ME SOME MONEY" loudass NPCs.

[@devinthadude88able]

I completely agree. You don’t need him in every story or every other story. Any Batman villain can become his greatest nemesis. Just need good writers

[@davidspearim5552]

He's batman archnemesis

[@boredbitch666]

​@@davidspearim5552so? it doesn't mean everything is batman vs joker,you don't see green goblin constantly with spider man.

[@davidspearim5552]

@boredbitch666 Green goblin got replaced with venom For a couple of years and Because he wasn't in the picture. And the green goblin has not even Spiderman's arch enemy anymore check the comics

[@davidspearim5552]

@@boredbitch666 Currently, the arch enemy of Spider-Man are the Writers themselves.

[@Juicelee777ssj]

The same thing that they do with joker I definitely feel like they do it with Batman as well. There are a bunch of stories where you could easily not have Batman in there especially with Justice League, yet he's in the story. Justice League dark comes to mind

[@Lugbzurg]

I'm reminded of the animated film, Justice League Dark, which is supposed to be about the likes of John Constantine, Deadman, Etrigan, and such, but extensively happens to have Batman in it. But, then again, it did it's job more or less introducing me to John Constantine and the more supernatural end of the DC spectrum just by including Batman in it.

[@kalehead0075]

I would like to see more Penguin interpretations. He always scared me as a kid.

[@joshuanoles]

I completely agree. I like Batman because he has the best villains. I’d love to see a movie with Zaz or something.

[@zemox2534]

Flash rogues: Hold our beers

[@spider-man6932]

​@@zemox2534 Spider-Man's rogues be like: can the dc villains come out to play

[@Xavieruncleite]

I want Hugo for the main villain. Two face for the side villain. Penguin just existing to do bad stuff. Joker to help Batman find the villain and escapes asylum at the end. That’s for Batman 2 For Batman 3. all joker,

[@josephgrace5955]

I think it would be cool to see a movie do a pairing of Johnathan Crane & Hugo Strange.

[@boredbitch666]

based.

[@justinbatts8053]

The Kevin Conroy cameo feels much more tragic now

[@Biting_bullets25]

The way he is used isn’t the long Halloween is the way he should be used in the future

[@psgamer-0199]

Joker is a great villain, a great character. But I agree he doesn't need to be part of every thing Batman. Personally I would like for characters like Two-Face, Hush/Thomas Eliot, and Hugo Strange to appear more. Heck, even Calendar Man and Professor Pyg have proved to be pretty scary villains.

[@eli2210]

I’d like a Scarecrow vs Joker story where Batman is trying to stop both but the villains are more concerned with each other than Bats. Scarecrow’s fear toxin vs joker’s laughing gas sounds cool

[@rikiishitoru8885]

One of my favorite things about the 1960s Batman is how even though there are a lot of, most of them feel like appropriate foils for Batman without any of them feeling more important than the others (implications of repeats notwithstanding).

[@TheAzulmagia]

I can't wait for Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League to reveal that The Joker's ghost escaped from Hell, took over Brainiac's systems, and he's the real villain of the game.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I'd love a joker who is much calmer. A sadistic, but slightly charming serial killer type. Someone who you never know when he's gonna snap. Not so over the top.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

So Jeremiah from Gotham or the Joker from under the Red hood and Death in the Family which are my favorite version of the character

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@theoutsiderjess1869 probably the one from Under the red hood is closest to what I'm talking talking about. But there was a movie called "The Little Things" where the suspect to a series of murders was eerily calm, and would randomly make jokes. He would really mess with the heads of the detectives on the case. You kept waiting for him to snap. Built great tension and made for some great drama.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

But then people can't keep pretending Joker is insane, if he's calm and collected instead of wild and excitable.

[@Ian-hj4yt]

Basically, the OG 1940 Joker

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

I really hope the Reeves movies take a Hannibal Lecter approach to Joker. Have him be in Arkham, appearing in a couple scenes each time to have back and forth with Batman discussing other villains, and he only comes to the forefront in the final installment of the universe.

[@greenskull3384]

That joker cameo at the end of the Batman killed all of my hopes of any other Batman villains getting their due in the sequels. I can't help but think of all the hitherto unseen villains like Professor Pyg, Basil Karlo, the Mad Hatter, the Ventriloquist, Firefly, Killer Moth, Professor Strange etc; who would b GREAT fits for this take on the Batman mythos, and who I'm not gonna get to see on the big screen because we apparently need another unfunny edgelord trying to outdo Heath Ledger. It aggravates me.

[@Lunar_Valkyrie]

The Arkham Origins reveal drove me insane. After Asylum and City I was so done with him. Especially how terribly he stole the spotlight in City. In Asylum? Sure I can take that as a Joker focused story and it was awesome. City? It was terrible and downplayed like over half the game in comparison with its own setup. At least Origins did something kind of interesting and it was done well but that doesn't change me being sick of him by that point.

[@scarecrow9239]

Pat Bat needs a movie where his villain is the Scarecrow. And ONLY Scarecrow, no having him play 2nd fiddle to another

[@boredbitch666]

EXACTLY.

[@darksideorseid0066]

In all honesty, you can't have a Batman Universe, without him. For a world without The Joker, is a Boring world (minus Leto)

[@darksideorseid0066]

@@gibramrivera-yv2lo let me give you an example: Beware the Batman. Hardly any of the main villains are there, no Riddler no Catwoman no Scarecrow no poison ivy no Firefly no Penguin, well he is in it but only shows up as a pucture. And low and Behold, No Joker. The only well notable villains in Bats' Rogues Gallery would be DeathStroke, Harvey Dent before he becomes Two-Face, and Professor Pyg, but everyone else are a bunch of his Z-lister villains.

[@boredbitch666]

​@@darksideorseid0066joker was once a z lister yk? he was supposed to die and stay dead forever at the end of his first appearence.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@darksideorseid0066 not having Joker was the best thing about the show. You’re the exact type of normie Batman villain that ruins the potential for rogues gallery exposure. All you complain about is “No Joker”. Good lord. We’ll never have other rogues getting attention with people like you.

[@alanlee67]

I'm experiencing batman fatigue. Used to be when we were kids, we had the movies and the animated series for decades.

[@featherguardian6023]

I Agree 100%,Look I Love the Joker and He Will Always and Forever will be Important to Batman’s Lore,But He has so Many Villains in his Rogues Gallery that doesn’t get a Chance,It’s better To Explore Something Else that Focusing on the Fan Favorite All the Time.

[@davidspearim5552]

They could do a solo villain story for the joker and him causing chaos of around dc

[@TheDukeofMadness]

I remember a time from reading Batman comics that the Joker didn't turn up for about four years. Even in the 80's he had to turn up at least once every two years.

[@onemoreminute0543]

I think that the Scarecrow, if written well and not just as a plot device, could EASILY surpass the Joker as Batmans greatest nemesis.

[@boredbitch666]

agreed.

[@B0bTh3R0bber]

yeah i agree. let my man Killer Moth have some time in the spotlight

[@elenasalwa9828]

Hi Joker I totally agree! I was so happy to see the Riddler as main antagonist in The Batman. I was dreaming about it for years! Now I wish see great story focusing on Scarecrow or Mad Hatter, or Zass, or someone more niche like Professor Pig or Man Bat. Honestly one of the many many many reasons due to which I love Gotham is the spotlight show put on many many Gotham villains! Gotham is absolutely fantastic and deserves more praise! I really do hope that Matt Reeves will stick to his words and won’t make a Joker main focus of the next movie. Scarecrow would be good choice. Gotham is in fear and Scarecrow could pray on it. That would be fantastic

[@maryzerey3295]

Man Bat is one of my favourites But since this is a realistic Take People will scream Childish

[@ihavespoken9871]

I think Matt Reeve’s Batman universe should have a Joker in it, I just don’t know if he should be introduced so early on in the series

[@maestro_zen]

Joker is what Batman is for the Justice League or any DC project... you have to make a cameo of him. its sad.

[@Vergil666.]

The Joker is my favorite character of all time. Yet every time I see him pop up I just get annoyed. He's used waaaaaay to much. He's supposed to be batman's toughest villain. Not in terms of strength because Batman can take him in a 1 vs 1 no problem but in every other way. Batman should be pushed to his limits whenever joker is around. You should be reading/watching thinking "how is batman gonna win this?!" You should be afraid every time Joker appears because it means sht just got real. But instead they use him in EVERYTHING! It really removes a lot of the intimidation from hia character, when batman whoops his ass every day. It should be like "Oh FK! It's the Joker! What are we supposed to do now?!" not "oh...the joker...and they changed his deign again...eh...."

[@angrygarbanzo5436]

I think the only Batman show wholly devoid of Joker was “Beware the Batman”. Edit: Hi Joker

[@jacobfilasky2729]

I want to see more commissioner Gordon and Alfred. Those two are a great role in Bruce’s life that didn’t get much screen time

[@randallflagg3700]

Just curious, have you watched the shows *Gotham* and *Pennyworth* ?

[@jacobfilasky2729]

@@randallflagg3700 reference was for movies. Not a fan of superhero series

[@jsutton0010]

The Dark Knight Trilogy gave Gordon plenty of screen time, Begins and The Dark Knight also gave Alfred plenty of screen time.

[@jacobfilasky2729]

@@jsutton0010 talking about the most recent two Batman entries

[@TheAnti-Lgtv]

@jacobfilasky2729 I pretty sure that Gordan Got Enough Screen time in The Batman. Guy was With Batman In Every Scene he was Going On, I think It's just his character got Overlooked But Gordan Got a Great screen time in The Batman For sure

[@HereJune]

this isn't a problem with the character, problem with the creators

[@alucardvekkia3966]

I mean, some people have even called Joker the best villain in fiction history

[@jawsdan]

He is

[@jasontodd1896]

No

[@HereJune]

darth vader is better

[@jawsdan]

@@HereJune Vader is definitely cool

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@jawsdan cooler than Joker by a long shot and it’s not even close. Joker is overrated asf.

[@DzustComics]

There are SO MANY great bad guys, who that clown is stealing the spotlight from! When was the last time we got a great story with Clayface, Twoface or Scarecrow!

[@randallflagg3700]

If you like Clayface, I really hope you've already read his "One Bad Day"... so far it's the best of the bunch, IMHO.

[@charleslee8313]

With the visual effects these days, they can make an excellent Clayface movie. No -- they want to milk the Joker cow again and again.

[@mayte8916]

For me the joker is really dragged down as a villain because he gets used SO much. dont get me wrong hes an a amazing villain but I really want to see ppl use someone else as a main villain especially in the movies. The batman is a step in the right direction in that regard. Also i love the Arkham games they are some off my favourites off all time but i cant say I wasn’t a little disappointed that joker would still be the mostly main antagonist in arkham knight.

[@SoyboyPeter]

Actually, scarecrow is the main antagonist as he’s the top priority on Batman’s radar. Joker doesn’t even do anything to due to his being a ghost

[@GrapplingIgnorance]

Those cameos that end these videos were worth every penny, but now I have to fight back tears at the end when I see/hear Kevin Conroy. 😢

[@SoyboyPeter]

Joker being overused isn’t a problem with the character. In fact it just reinforces how amazing he is. But joker being overused is actually a problem with the creator of the story joker is involved in. As it highlights their complete lack of creativity and innovative storytelling. I really don’t get why it’s so difficult for people to understand this.

[@davideddy8557]

I would love to see Clayface and Mad Hatter in the Reeves universe. I feel like they could be a ton of fun

[@Xegethra]

Yeah, there is a bit of a burnout with him.

[@Dagghost763]

I want clayface as a side character and bane as a main villain with a cameo of riddler

[@sandyjourneys]

Hi joker I would really love a scarecrow or firefly or even Hugo Strange centered Batman movie sometime in the future.

[@Kiiieeechiii]

I wanna see joker show up in the Pattinson movies as a villain that teams up with the others

[@boredbitch666]

so the dark knight again? he teamed up eith two face or do you mean arkham city again? he teamed up with clayface

[@mrmacross]

Joker is such a charismatic villain and fan favorite that audiences accept any farfetched scheme he pulls off just to see him on screen or on panel. Just think of things like Joker fish, any of the dozens of times he hijacked TV airwaves, or his plans from the Dark Knight movie. None of these things are anything Joker should be able to or have the means to pull off, but as long as he gets to match wits with Batman people are okay with it.

[@lukeyznaga7627]

A "safe bet" is to direct and produce ANY MOVIE very well with a plan and good writing. Then, step two is to let Batman fight other villains which are pretty good. The problem with DC movies "beating the dead horse" is to incessantly use Joker and Batman and not even use other heroes and villains, like Mad hatter, Elongated Man, Martian Manhunter, the PUzzler, Bookworm, etc.

[@velociraptor4you3291]

_'Hi Joker (😁)!'_ I love the ole Clown Prince of Crime as much as the next Bat-fan, but yeah, I agree that *too much* of him MAYBE isn't a good thing.

[@zoro_the_navigator8822]

Exactly ! I have the same problem/issue with Batman just like you described. Like I really appreciate the rivalry between these two characters but I feel like throughout the media that I have seen joker has been taking way more of the mantle as Batman's arch nemesis and I feel like other villains don't get the same credit or focus as much. Like for example Spider-Man has an evenly distributed focus on his villains and I wouldn't say any particular villain has more complicated relationship with him over the others although some would suggest green goblon but overall Spider-Man's villains are pretty much equally focused. Thank you for making a video like that

[@primusfan87]

5:39 in my opinion, Jared Leto was the worst joker

[@fornogoodreason551]

I'd argue dc does the same thing with batman.

[@detective___mcnulty]

Killing Joker, a comic storyline where the Joker is not killed.

[@trainerredcharizard7982]

Joker Gets too much of plot armor And IS overshown a lot

[@diverseuniverse7701]

All I ask is to see will Defoe as joker

[@DominickSpano]

I love Batman, but Joker isn't even in my top 3 or 4 favorite villains. I think Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Two Face, and one or two others are more interesting then Joker. I get his popularity for sure, but to me he just isn't my favorite.

[@dsxa918]

Yeah I like this take

[@Frredster]

What's even worse is, I'm pretty sure that Joker's had a lasting effect on the batfamily more than any other rogue. Jason's "death"? Barbara's paralysis? Even "removing" the faces of the batfamily in one comic? Joker. They're *all* Joker. And no doubt there's many more instances too, but I won't go on. I can't think of any other rogue who's had as lasting and as *permanent* an effect on the batfamily as Joker. It just seems like he's hogging all the spotlight, and every single actually meaningful thing is given to him automatically. Most if not all of what the other rogues do aren't nearly as permanent or long-lasting.

[@randallflagg3700]

But the "face removing" part wasn't permanent nor long-lasting... just a joke that lasted one issue. Bane also had a big, long lasting effect on the Batfamily, since he killed Alfred and benched Batman for a long time, which led to him passing the Bat-mantle to Azrael.

[@Frredster]

@@randallflagg3700 Yeah, that's why I put "removing" in quotation marks like I did. Plus, regardless of it being a "joke", the reader doesn't know it's as such until the reveal. And ok, Joker and Bane, out of what, how many rogues now?

[@randallflagg3700]

@Son Of Dante - I almost listed it as an example, but since it was later retconned, so the character assassination of Lee Thomkpins wouldn't happen, makes this particular case a iffy one... But still, important example nonetheless.

[@anansiweb9917]

I want a movie with Clock King or even Lock-up. Hell they can make a whole lot work with those two.

[@ArcLines70074]

I feel The Joker needs to be in every Batman adaptation, he's too important to be left out entirely. However, he should not be in every chapter of the Batman adaptation. It's more impactful when Joker shows up for the big events but he shouldn't be in every little event in between, stealing everyone's spotlight. For "The Batman" sequels, I want Joker to be a villain of a movie. Just not for a while. I want the build up and suspense for him to EVENTUALLY flip Gotham on its head, I just want to see the other rouges get their spot in the sunlight before then, like Mr Freeze, Court Of Owls, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, Bane, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul. Have Joker in every Batman's story, but not every Chapter of Batman's story.

[@erikbihari3625]

That's because he's a showboating attention hog, who's backstory and personality is outrageously extra compared to the more modest villains!

[@thebestbeast2000]

Unexpected Justin whang cameo at 3:02

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

Joker has too many toxic fanboys and ignorant writers for these problems to go away

[@dsxa918]

Sicka, sicka, Slim Shady, I'm sicka him

[@jawsdan]

It’s not toxic to like a character 😂

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@jawsdan you missed the point 😄

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@Gibram Rivera only time I accept gatekeeping lmao

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@jawsdan you completely missed the point. The toxic fanboys he’s talking about don’t just like the character. They worship him like god and ride his dick 24/7. Stop being needlessly obtuse to fake a counter point. It’s pathetic. 😂 If you have nothing to say, keep your hands off the keyboard instead of embarrassing yourself with this retarded response lol.

[@jasonpratt5126]

Someone has probably pointed out that in Batman 66 (and that very much includes the animated film revivals), while the Joker's around, he is definitely not the main indispensable villain. He's definitely in the top four, but he isn't even quite the most distinctive and colorful of them (or even as distinctive and colorful as some other more minor villains.) Objectively in terms of appearance, the Penguin is the main villain; in effect, the Riddler is more Jokerish than the Joker.

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

My personal 2 cents. He's too unpredictable and dangerous. Like no one would work with him when on a whim he'll just shoot you. Bats won't kill him but I don't think for a second Gotham p.d. wouldn't. Especially how corrupt they can be.

[@TheRichandmighty]

Hi Joker. Joker is fun but he's not my favorite Batman foe. He barely cracks the top ten. The reason? He's not a character but a plague. Every other bat-foe has a motivation and an understandable origin. Now even if we assume that The Killing Joke gave us his true origin it still doesn't explain his madness. Manias are different from other types of mental illnesses but 90% of Batman villains have manias; that includes the Joker. However most manias still have an if/then logic to them. "If Batman doesn't solve my riddles that means I am a genius" if you want an example, Joker however has this mania to make crime performance art but why? The motive and layers to said motive are what makes a character.

[@selfimprovement5873]

I always thought the point of the Joker was to prove to everyone else that life is a joke and anyone can snap like he has.

[@juniorjunior5884]

There is a point here. When Joker is written well, his point is the 'one bad day' idea. When overused or just forced into a plot, he's just there to be an obstacle with no rhyme or reason. Sometimes he's unfocused and has no greater reasons besides impulse, then sometimes he's a twelfth level mega mind who acts to prove something about society or human nature. He's whatever is convenient to the story and that is very messy when you have other characters who can serve certain roles better.

[@ihavespoken9871]

If anything I think a problem with the Joker is that he has too many different motivations

[@mdpeterson27]

Joker is in everything for the same reason we keep getting Fast and Furious, Transformer and home invasion movies. Audiences love and pay to see them

[@JerryGattz]

I agree... I LOVE THE JOKER. So much so, that I spent 2 months watching "The Dark Knight" almost everyday so I can get Heath Ledger's manurisms down for Halloween. That was back in 2009. However... there are so many more in Batman's Rouges Gallery that deserves the spotlight. I'd love to see a movie that where Mr. Freeze is the main villain. I myself penned a hard r Batman comedy, in which Clayface is the main villian. Though, Joker does make an appearance and pay homage to the 1960's version where his mustache is painted over. Lol. So, yeah. I guess many feel they need to give him an audience, even in a short cameo. Maybe the next movie will get this right.

[@Darthvader25747]

Joker is my favorite comic book villain but there are other villains I want to see a Batman movie with two-face as the the main villain

[@rickykeim2005]

Batman has one of the Most Interesting Vilnian Rosters and the Problem with The Joker is that He's the Only one they keep using. I think they Use The Joker when Other Villains would make More Sense just Because Everybody knows Joker.

[@jasontodd1896]

Exactly

[@greenrobot5]

I think they use the Joker over and over cause he's the polar opposite of Batman, he's all colorful and funny while Batman dresses in black and is angry or sad

[@Ian-hj4yt]

Modern Batman, you mean...

[@jaysblkcar]

The ending bro!!

[@manuelcheeser8935]

I guess if I got a chance at creating a Batman Film/Series/etc. I would also love to get Joker in, just because it most likely is a once in a lifetime chance and let's be real, I guess most art directors might also have Joker as their favorite antagonist. However as a Fan I fully agree with your "right time right place - not all time every place" agrument.

[@ADrunkBassist]

Joker wasn't in Batman Returns. Problem solved.

[@ShawnCaldwell11]

I ❤ this channel

[@belinskiparadox7687]

Joker is absolutely Batman's most iconic villain, but the fact that mainstream Batman media is so insistent on shoehorning him into everything genuinely made me dislike him for a while.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

JOKER IS SO OVERUSED.

[@angelvasquez1592]

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[@PatrickThePatty]

Solid take❤

[@rybackfrankie8679]

The problem is that the Joker is really overrated....an yes overused. If you take into consideration Batman skills and means, his rogue gallery and the DC Universe as a whole, you realize that he can't realistically be much of a threat. Don't get me wrong, he's still iconic and a very interesting character but you cannot buy how is supposedly a big threat even next to guys like Falcone. Additionally, he would be too weird to be taken seriously, respected and obeyed by other professional criminals. I can see him more being the leader of a cult of psychos, serial killers and airheads like the Manson Family than leading a group of very competent and skilled criminals and guns for hire like Ra's Al Ghul, The Penguin, Bane, or Black Mask. And that's what make the Joker a way weaker opponent. On a side note, I even laughed at the end of The Joker solo movie because there is no way that guy would become one of the biggest mob boss of a big criminal cesspool like Gotham. I mean, at some point suspension belief is important lol. That's why I prefered by far Heath Leadger's terrorist version - and you can guess he won't live longer - and Jared Leto's gangbanger approach to the role which is kind of a patchwork many different street gang cultures. Anyway, the Joker is overrated.

[@np5246]

I think that, despite the critic/audience reactions, the script of The Dark Knight placed priority on Two Face as its main villain. It's the opposite of Arkhan Origins and Arkham Knight. As stated in the video, in the former game, Black Mask is hyped up as the main villain, yet the Joker ends up being the final boss. In the latter game, Scarecrow is hyped up as the main villain, yet the Joker ends up being the final boss. In contrast, The Dark Knight hypes up the Joker as the main villain throughout most of the movie, yet Two Face ends up being the "final boss" that Batman goes up against. There's also the fact that pretty much every character in the movie celebrates Harvey Dent, where even the Joker calls Harvey his "ace in the hole". It's even Harvey Dent that enabled the Joker to have a long-term impact on both Batman and Gotham City. Without Harvey Dent (and without him getting turned by the Joker into a fallen knight), the Joker would have simply (yet famously) been another villain who got defeated and then captured by Batman. But because of Harvey Dent being in the picture, Bruce Wayne now has to struggle with the real possibility of himself also falling into madness. If a "white knight" like Harvey Dent can fall into madness, what stops the same from happening to Bruce Wayne? So I think the Joker is seen as the main villain in that movie, not because of the script, but because of Heath Ledger's incredible performance and the impact that had on the audience.

[@anthonygm85]

One of my favorite comic stories is from legends of the dark knight- a 3 issue story called blaze of glory, just a simple story about batman being batman not super villains or anything, plus I found the art is to be fantastic very old school feeling in the way it looks, joker is not always necessary

[@senonimoustv2497]

Both Joker and Harley are over exposed. Calender man, the Ventriloquist Killer Croc, Baby Doll could all make for some interesting antagonist in a Batman movie, but somebody's gotta creative enough and brave enough to try.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

Yeah, there are plenty to choose from. There are a number of obscure villains that they could use, both from the comics and the 1966 live-action TV series. Serious takes on King Tut, the Bookworm, Shame, Ma Parker(she could be played by Kathy Bates) & her gang, and Egghead would be interesting to see.

[@_thethinker5557]

I toataly agree

[@holty1314]

Vee Infuso disrespecting Joker Audience: “And I thought my jokes were bad” - Heath Ledger

[@emilysanchez4584]

I would love a tv show about batman's villains where each season would focus on one batman villain. Ex: s1- Scarecrow, s2- Mr. Freeze, etc.

[@erikbihari3625]

A:"that'd be really long. B:"maybe not all, most those who posess significant brain and man power to challange him. You know, the mastermind types!

[@senonimoustv2497]

Same

[@randallflagg3700]

*Gotham* kinda did that, well not exactly since bat-rogues would overlap the seasons, but lots of them got origin story and lots of focus. It would be very hard to do a season focusing on only one villain, since like the Flash rogues for instance, they almost all know each others and interact on a regular basis. *Gotham* did a good job with that, there were some overarching villains like Ra's al Ghul, Penguin, Riddler, the Court of Owls, Hugo Strange, proto-Joker etc... but other rogues had some smaller arcs dedicated to putting them at odds with the GCPD and Bruce/Alfred. Mad Hatter, Mr Freeze, Scarecrow, Bane, Zsasz, Professor Pyg, Poison Ivy etc...

[@ControllerAkimbo]

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[@blackthegrey7694]

Great vid

[@carterstover7198]

“Hi Joker” I actually agree I love him but he doesn’t need to be shoe horned into everything.

[@barq6994]

100% agree. Lex Luthor has the same problem with Superman. The Tomorrowverse's 1 solo Superman film has Lex shoehorned into the plot, on my opinion. Lois&Clark only had Lex as a real season long threat. Intergang in S2 flopped and I don't think they bothered making any for the next few seasons

[@randallflagg3700]

Well, with *Superman & Lois* season 3 coming out in a couple days, and with a new Lex Luthor showing up without feeling shoe-horned (they waited 3 seasons, good enough for me), we'll see how that plays out. Lex wasn't in *Titans* season 4 for very long, but I loved his short screentime. And of course, Jon Cryer kicked ass in Supergirl season 4 & 5 (and then became lame in season 6). Plenty of great Lex to choose from these days!

[@legomarioboy08]

Fans: How many times are you going to use The Joker in film, games, and shows involving Batman!? DC: H A !

[@mohabalserafe3795]

I really wanna see more physicopaths like pyg scarecrow or even guys like black mask bane and Mr freeze to have there time to shine as much as I love the joker the character has been done to death and he became stale and lost all of it's unpredictability

[@dionysisnance4204]

I feel like the batman 2021 should have gone without having joker in their at all

[@fynnthefox9078]

For every Batman, there will always be a Joker.

[@randallflagg3700]

It came out in 2022

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

​@@fynnthefox9078 He should have been in a 3rd film.

[@brentonbrundidge3803]

Finally someone who gets it. Joker maybe Batmans popular and biggest enemy. DC treats the joker like he's Batmans only villain. In fact, when's the last time two face, the riddler, mr.freze, professor pig, penguin, ra's al ghul , Hugo strange had major story archs?

[@kenrickkahn]

Reminds me of Steve Urkel.. The same thing can apply to him too..

[@porko882]

I dont get how gotham weren't allowed to call him the joker when It is an officially licenced show?

[@VI_V2]

Because Fox made the show not WB