The "Race" of the Tarim Mummies | Myths Highlights

In this excerpt from the video, "Did Caucasians Rule All the Great Ancient Civilizations," Dr. M examines the evidence of the Tarim Mummies. Were the Caucasian or Aryan? The DNA evidence sheds light on the matter.
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[@whym6438]

As a linguistics buff, there is a small group of Indo-European languages that were spoken in the Tarim Basin until the 800s CE, called the Tocharian languages. The languages themselves are much more fascinating than the skin color of the people who spoke them.

[@thecofounders]

Yes, they lived close to these people. Tocharian is soooooo weird but only PIE heads know. 😜

[@radeon8461]

The PIE proves common ancestor to most ancient languages and therefore peoples, though. Why does all of the historical record match the aryan-first hypothesis, why else do Finnish and Croatian share common roots? They are descendants of the same people, likewise for the Brahmain in India, the Celts, so on and so fourth, the most successful group of humans to ever exist, the Aryans. The historical symbol of these people is the hooked cross, which they carried globally and is still found everywhere, usually even keeping a common meaning of good luck and fortunes across cultures. This and many, many other facts you must chalk up to coincidence if you believe the scientific establishment. Somebody is lying, and a delve into the bigger picture, i.e. writings before the overthrow of academia by crypto-marxists circa 1950s, makes it very clear who.

[@DylanHabibi]

@@radeon8461 bro came to the comments to yap, holy

[@thecofounders]

@@radeon8461 Finns and Croats share common roots? Could you substantiate that claim, seems very out there

[@Frequencydead]

@@thecofounders he can't because they don't its Finnish, hungarian and estonian they are part of there uralic language family

[@Big_Tex]

I had my doubts but then I learned the ancient rulers all had names like Biff and Kaitlyn

[@anasevi9456]

yep, also Chad, Tyler, Thad and Brad. Very popular king names the world over.

[@ottolehikoinen6193]

😂

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

All hail the mighty Biff. First of his name.

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

All hail the mighty Biff. First of his name.

[@FantasticExplorers]

Don't forget Bill, Dale, and Jeff.

[@erinrising2799]

aside from the other racist overtones, he seems to be laboring under the idea that all people within the borders of modern China are the same ethnicity.

[@lococomrade3488]

Duh. They're Chinese. Don't you know that lines drawn on a map are very important and also the lines have never ever changed?

[@shyviking]

"aside from the other racist overtones, he seems to be laboring under the idea that all people within the borders of modern China are the same ethnicity.". Which is really weird. China was literally an empire, in the Austria-Hungary or ottoman sense of the word. My guess is that people sometimes mix China up with Korea and Japan (which are way more mono-ethnic).

[@Depipro]

Speaking of which, to my ears it seems he's labouring even to force the words out of his mouth. Like he's under some heavy-duty tranquilizers, severely limiting his ability to zoom out mentally and hold his own thoughts up to scrutiny. "Objection, your Honour! Conjecture!" - Yeah, I know, I know. But still. It's not like the actual evidence is in contradition with my speculation, is it? 🤔🤨

[@eodyn7]

China is over 90% Han.

[@erinrising2799]

@@eodyn7 but not 100%....so what was your point?

[@barnaba2137]

he's almost right, almost all ancient civilizations were ruled by ethnically distinct Goa’ulds. There's a 14 season documentary about this.

[@rtlgrmpf]

Indeed!

[@einienj3281]

I wonder how Teal'c is doing these days?

[@vanshankguitars]

Yeah, but that series got MacGyvered somehow...

[@henk3202]

If I had to bet Sepher lost his iranian father at young age(left or died) and we know that his liter is american (probably) blonde) he is just looking einde young age for an identy. Hence iranian to aryan. And the aryan mythe ( he confabulates more then Himmler himself) sells well on youtube. Although he has the motoric system and a slow strange way of walking like a neanderthaler his ego yearns supremcy of blond genetica and tries to find a place in this world. Still I like watching his stories and I think lots of people like to listen to mix of science and own confabulations. He makes a living out of it. YT has good educated professors and smart people living good info but Everybody knows 95% of YT is just dumm entertainment

[@TonksMoriarty]

*17 seasons, also there's Atlantis too!

[@brianonscript]

The use of blue materials such as lapis lazuli and paste in ancient Egyptian or Mesopotamian figurative art should not always be taken literally to represent the colour blue. You also see beards for example made with a blue material, and lapis lazuli was also used in statues of bulls and lions. In prestige objects, blue materials often replaced black. Their conception of colour was probably different from ours, and what was important to them was that something was dark and shiny, a quality associated with the divine. It might have seemed an obvious choice for an ancient artist to use valuable, lustrous lapis lazuli to represent shining brown eyes, for example. By the way, we should be wary of using Indo-European as the name of a population based on descent. Language can be and often is acquired from other groups, and early Indo-European speakers were probably not all descended from a single population.

[@ario2264]

We know from ancient DNA that that there were people with blue eyes and blonde hair livinng next door to Egypt in Israel in 4000 BC. There were also blue-eyed people in northwest Africa at the same time.

[@DylanHabibi]

They didnt say people with blue eyes dont exist. ​they said you shouldnt use a statue that was created by an artist as a refrence to what the people appeared like. Its not a picture, a mirror, a fossil, or genetics... its art.@@ario2264

[@brianonscript]

@@ario2264 I am not denying that there were cases where blue materials were used to represent what we think of as blue. Blue eyes are/were indeed more common in different places than one might think. However, the point I am making is that the use of blue materials was not restricted to the representation of things that were actually blue. Eyes depicted with blue materials in ancient figurative art may have been for representing blue eyes, but this is not a necessary conclusion.

[@ario2264]

@@brianonscript It's not a necessary conclusion, but it's a simple logical conclusion given what we know from ancient DNA; and alternative 'explanations' are more convoluted and unnecessary explanations which seem to be based more on odd ideological desires rather than on any kind of sensible scientific concept or evidence.

To be fair, we are still replacing black with blue in our art. Superman’s hair has blue highlights in comics, for example. It’s amazing how people like the conspiracy video maker haven’t noticed that.

[@anasevi9456]

Never saw Tarim mummies as super remarkable. Nomadic pastoralist of the Asiatic steppe often moved far east and west. Many east Asian featured nomads went far west too, being absorbed into the local European and MENA people after some centuries. Some like the Kalmyks still look now much as they did when they arrived. Racial animosity among West and East Eurasian people is mostly recent phenomena, wasnt big in Europe much until they were trying to justify abuse of China and fears of emergent Japan. East asia the animosity was mirrored out imperialist fears.

[@curiositycloset2359]

you not me argument.

[@TGBurgerGaming]

Nobody ever mentions that the turks moved east to west and so did the hungarians, and the huns cousins moved north to south The greeks wound up so far east they fought a war with China. The Oxca etc etc. But that would make it look normal if everyone was doing it so they leave it out.

[@Jelperman]

Or as my anthropology professor put it oh so bluntly: :Even in ancient times, people used to travel and they really like to fuck".

[@ninthheretic2498]

the farther North, the shorter the distance. The Kalmycs; aka Oirat, originally came from Altai; Northern mongolia. The majority of them has been deported or murdered since their khaganate lost its power; their numerous rebellions etc. Whether the asian features stem from this ethnicity is not at all clear. Or am i overlooking something?

[@backalleycqc4790]

​@@JelpermanYup, just ask the Neanderthals about the fu__ing part...

[@DanielFrostable]

Thank you World of Antiquities, This guy is one reason why you are needed in the field of anthropology.

[@Dionaea_floridensis]

​@@Joe-sg9ll take your pills and touch grass

[@aaronmarks9366]

​@@Joe-sg9llAh yes, the Dutch East Indies

[@proudwhitesettler7746]

Yes, exactly. We can't have Whites start thinking they were responsible for any achievements, historical or otherwise, it leads them to White pride and becoming Nazis and thinking they deserve their own countries and all. Next thing we know they will be claiming they were responsible for Western Civilization and that it's something special.

[@DylanHabibi]

​@@Joe-sg9llyou when somebody promotes diversity, equity, and inclusion: 🤬😡 Oh man, so edgy and cool

[@DylanHabibi]

@@Joe-sg9ll Joe, you saw the word "habibi" which is an Arabic word and instantly assumed I'm muslim, which is hilarious. I'm the furthest from a Muslim, I'm an American atheist. But because of how blantaly ignorant and prejudiced you are, I will play along. Those crusades sure went well, didn't they? Christians are EXTREMELY unified, aren't they? All those monarchs destined to rule by God's grace, how are they doing? All those Christian nations becoming secular, isn't that interesting?

[@danieldover3745]

Even if they were "Western," Indo-Europeans were a steppe people, like Turks or Mongols, so they got everywhere. Discovering a steppe people on the steppe is hardly ground-breaking.

[@bydysawd]

Immediately a problem I notice is that pyramid he shows labeled as being in Xinjiang is actually a tomb in Xi'an, right in the middle of China and nowhere near Xinjiang. I think it's Maoling, aka the "white pyramid". The big problem with his assertion is his assumption that the Tarim Basin represents all of China. This actually falls in line with Chinese government propaganda claiming that the Tarim Basin is an integral part of the Chinese nation, despite the region having its own history and cultures mostly seperate from China for thousands of years. Sepehr probably got this line of thinking from certain journalists who create headlines like "ancient white people found in China 😱" for shock value when they report on the mummies. That dross even made it into high school textbooks in my area. I say this as a Chinese person relatively well-versed in East Asian and Central Asian history

[@87eargasm]

My academic background is in ancient & early medieval history. Having also spent years organizing against neo nazis, I can say without hesitation that, 8 times out of 10, when you scratch pseudohistory, you find fascism.

[@xibalbalon8668]

Because these are based in the same 19th century pseudohistories that would inspire later fascists

[@toncek9981]

I don't know. Most of the time, I see either Afrocentrists claiming that everyone everywhere (Greeks, Chinese, Aztecs - you name it) was actually a black African, or "ancient astronauts" people thinking that aliens built everything. Sometimes "myth" people dreaming about Vedas or Atlantis... But old-fashioned white supremacists with their white master race and stuff? These seem to be a dying out minority nowadays.

[@diebesgrab]

Oh, this isn’t fascism, it’s just good old fashioned racism. Don’t get me wrong, most fascists are racist, but racism doesn’t equate to fascism, and it cheapens the evil of fascism to go around labeling every dirtbag out there a fascist.

[@keirfarnum6811]

True. People are always trying to justify caucasian hegemony even though it’s a relatively recent phenotype.

[@robbie31580]

What do you mean by fascism? Fascism didn't really exist until the 20th century. Are you talking about autocratic forms of government?

[@det.bullock4461]

Also blue eyes are often an artistic license in art for various reasons.

[@idnyftw]

god, I can only imagine 2000 years later when people assume the Japanese have spiky hair and weird eyes because most of the remaining archaeological stuff recovered about them was some dude's hidden cache of fan-translated anime bootlegs from the 90s

[@TheLeppus28]

Let me guess. The guy is somehow related to this ancient ruling nobility...

[@backalleycqc4790]

Yes, and most likely he's asking for donations so he can become a dictator, which sounds exactly like another figure in the USA.

[@yorkshirepudding9860]

Eye colour is very complicated, or so I have read. There was a paper in 2021 by a team linked to Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam, where they showed they'd found 50 new genes that have an impact on eye colour. I'd link to it but I'm not sure I can post links here - but it shows that the idea that blue eyes belongs to a single dominant group is untrue. Also, I often see Buddhist art - often Tibetan Buddhist art, used in this 'blue eyes' argument. But Tibetan Buddhist art is highly symbolic. We have prayer practices featuring a pink Buddha, a blue Buddha and a green Buddha and other colours. Each feature on each image has a meaning and it's highly regulated based on rules and geometry and an art that takes many years to learn.

[@curiositycloset2359]

buddha was a high caste hindu, he may have had blue eyes.

[@lococomrade3488]

​@@curiositycloset2359 There's no correlation to imply that. What about higher in the caste correlates to him having blue eyes? There's absolutely no precedents nor proofs to correlate those two. Seems like more white Supremacist pseudoscience.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

You just wait until we find a blue mummy!

[@lococomrade3488]

@@andrewsuryali8540 Jai Sri Krishna. 😂🤣

[@productofsociety4107]

buddha was from saka clan he did had blue eyes

[@2degucitas]

Hmmmm. Hair fades over time losing it's eumelanin first, pheomelanin (red pigment) being more robust lasts longer. That's why when a person gets their hair bleached it requires a toner to cool the brassiness.

[@ario2264]

Various analyses have found that some Egyptian mummies had natural red or auburn hair. Ancient DNA has shown that there were blonde blue-eyed people living next door to Egypt in Israel in 4000 BC.

[@mr2wo]

Hello Sir. Please do a video on ethnicity of ancient Egyptians. Seems like a bunch a crazy claims out there that need clarifying.

[@greenockscatman]

Once you make one video about that subject, you'll never stop making videos about it. Tread carefully.

[@camelotchimp]

Based on sequencing, I am pretty sure they are closest to modern Coptic Egyptians.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

No, pls don't.

[@TGBurgerGaming]

Egypt is a culture not a race. Nefertiti was black Cleopatra was Greek. It really doesnt need a whole episode.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@TGBurgerGaming Cleopatra was a foreign greek, she doesn't count. And while I do kind of agree with you, Egypt wasn't just a culture but an ethnicity, that ethnicity just so happened to not all be of the same "race", according to the definition of race invented by Anglos.

[@joshuadk13]

Someone else had this idea… the idea that most civilizations had ancient blond hair blue eyed leaders in prehistory…. He was a painter from Austria among other things.

[@megansfo]

Yes! An unsuccessful painter who was rejected by a prestigious art scool twice. I wonder what the world would have been like if they'd accepted him.

[@xibalbalon8668]

There's a funny quote of him being embarrassed of Himmler touting Germanic axes and huts, worried that Itallians are laughing at German history. The Ahnenerbe practically stems from some kind of deep inferiority complex, with how much it claims all world history, as far as ancient Bolivia, to have been built by ancient white Atlanteans

[@GovindaTulsiram]

ahahahaha

[@ikengaspirit3063]

Stop. Just cuz NATZIs believe something isn't the reason something is bad, Hitler also had an anti-drugs campaigns. This bullshit is bad because it is bad, not because an austrian painter also liked it.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

He should have gone into painting houses, instead of trying portraits. Maybe would of had better job satisfaction, and not venture into a new career, where he inflicted his nonsense on others.

[@mikewifak]

It was actually me who ruled all early civilizations. Sorry, I probably should have cleared that up sooner and avoided all this debate.

[@kumstuke]

I knew it!

[@mueezadam8438]

Wow big fan!

[@nebulan]

What, genetics (phenotypes) and cultures are complicated and mixed? (Surprised Pikachu face)

[@curiositycloset2359]

china finds no evidence of Caucasian mummies (Surprised Pikachu face). Wonder when they dig up the first emperor?

[@nebulan]

@curiositycloset2359 the first emperor of China? I'm not sure how that fits

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@nebulan Well, they found a few Caucasian mummies in the outer Mausoleums. And some greek influence. Now they wont dig up the emperor because reasons lol

[@ColasTeam]

​@@curiositycloset2359"now" The Chinese government has refused to allow excavation of the first emperor's tomb since the tomb was discovered decades and decades ago....Stop being an rword.

[@LiminalQueenMedia]

@@curiositycloset2359 I'm not generally a fan of the CCP but I do stand with their slow excavation process of the site. It is arguably one of the most important archeological sites on planet earth full of archeological and probably written historical material that is invaluable and a slow methodological excavation of the outer sites while their domestic archeological industry and archeological technology in general matures is not a bad thing imo. I would rather they spend the next 200 years doing it right than for them to Schleiman through to get to the treasure inside.

[@jfu5222]

1:09 I don't want to sound like a weirdo, but she is the prettiest mummy I've ever seen.

[@diebesgrab]

Well, you ended up sounding like a weirdo anyway, but the upside is that you still come off looking normal compared to Sepher.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

The one thing to note is that there is a difference in genetics between the early Tarim mummies and the later ones. Genetic evidence shows the early ones (the ones from circa 1800BC) were pre-Indo-European and nearly 80% Ancient North Eurasian (meaning they were what was basically a holdover from the pre-Caucasoid and pre-"Mongoloid" Eurasian population, like the Ainu and Dravidians to an extent), while the later ones from the 1st Millenium BC had a very large amount of Western Eurasian/Western steppe admixture, with some of these later ones around the 3rd century BC starting to show notable Northeast Asian/Eastern steppe admixture I find the mummies interesting, not because they prove the ancient people of that region were white or racially "Caucasian" (though a lot of the 1st Millennium BC ones, who probably spoke a form of Tocharian, were indeed more closely related to Europeans if the DNA is to be believed), but rather because their preservation means they can tell the story of the region and the movement of people around the steppe and Tarim Basin, in the absence of surviving, readable, written record.

[@MotoGiant]

love the shorter format - matches my attention span :)

[@CharlesOffdensen]

0:12 Let me guess what the video is going to say. Tarim mummies are indeed white, caucasian, and red-haired. But Tarim is a small area. Modern China was populated by Asian people already. And the nobility of the Tarim basin was the same as the regular people of that area. So the Tarim mummies don't prove this absurd hypothesis. Edit. At least some of the Sea peoples were NOT Indo-European. Some probably were.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

If you ask Ancient Aliens, they are "Nordics", as opposed to grays, or reptilians.

[@alexandriaoccasional-corte1346]

The american fixation on race is psychiatrically interesting.

[@curiositycloset2359]

True, but still nothing like the chinese fixation.

[@giannixx]

​@@curiositycloset2359You are proving her point, my guy.

[@knowcoiner5599]

Thr fixation on racial inclusivity and diversity at the cost of propserity and peace and economy?

[@ColasTeam]

Idk if it is so interesting as much as it is obnoxious and concerning. Tho let's not pretend there aren't a decent bunch of these "people" in other parts too. I know way too many dutch, fins and especially Russians who give Americans a run for their money.

[@knowcoiner5599]

@ColasTeam literally every non-white race is racially homogeneous obsessed, they just get a hallpass and a pat on the back for it.

[@daseinxii8677]

There seems to be a whole industry dedicated to preserving established and/or invoking new stereotypes, prejudices and divisions by utilising concepts such as facts, science or history.

[@mueezadam8438]

The dangers of a little knowledge vs. no knowledge in a nutshell. Then again, I also feel like most of them are just frothing racists who pedal _“Pharaohs were black”_ or _“Pharaohs were white”_ for the sole purpose of justifying their sense of superiority.

[@ronaldbender7226]

One thing that always made sense to me about these sort of oddities (out of place peoples in random far-off places) is that I can totally see a group of really distinct people showing up and then being treated as 'celebrities'. I don't mean "hey let's make these obviously superior people our leaders", but given their uniqueness and exotic appeal I could see them being given special treatment at death or even special places in a government structure. Think of Yasuke, the African samurai. He was big and strong, but he was also unique. He was treated differently. The same thing could have happened to a random group of Indo-European nomads who ended up further east than anyone ever expected. Just saying.

[@tristarperfecta1061]

I have blond hair and blue eyes and traveled the world in my 20s, mostly to third world countries in Latin America and the Middle East. Everywhere I went I was treated like a celebrity. People would ask to have their picture taken with me. I can very well understand what it must have felt like to be a colonizer. There is a quote and I'm paraphrasing here. It's from Apocalypse Now. He says something like when a modern man walls into that jungle, for some men, it can be difficult to resist the temptation of calling yourself a God. I'm not saying I felt like that but I sure felt like I was treated like that. If I got that kind of attention in the US, I'd be a celebrity.

[@LeeTheKnight]

Its a roll of the dice with humans. It could be "oh look at those unique and different people, how interesting" or "what are those demons, this is a bad omen, burn them".

[@knowcoiner5599]

Those rockstar indoeuropeans brought buddhism and hinduism to the east.

[@annepoitrineau5650]

As far as I have read about it, two things are necessary for this celebrity status to take place: 1) very small group (beyond a certain number, they are treated as a threat). 2) they must have a recognised and valued "talent". The black Samurai was big and he was good and he was alone. A random group of Indo-European (or any other origin) nomads would only get a special status if they are useful (and these Tarim Basin people were traders on the silk route) and non-threatening. Which seems to have been the case. They actually never dominated the area politically.

[@lococomrade3488]

​@@knowcoiner5599 You have any proof of this??

[@Davidsample7761]

Thank you. However, I’m actually surprised that you honored Sephyr w/ a response.

[@annepoitrineau5650]

It is important to counter act these people with scientific arguments to prevent the rise of the next Hitler.

[@Vuntermonkey]

Any suggestions for good research sources?

[@Jkl62200]

I read an article about this sometime back. They did some tests and these mummies came from Siberia If I recall

[@juriskucinskis4100]

Hello. I completely agree that claims about "all early civilizations shared the same ruling mobility" are highly doubtful. However about that particular founding in Xinjiang province, isn't presence of Tocharian language scripts there (which have been proven to be of Indo-European branch) are not delivering further evidence that these people most likely spoke an Indo-European langauge?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Tocharian inscriptions are from 2,000 years later.

[@donnisthran2812]

Your videos are so interesting and thought provoking... I'm looking forward to more.

[@InternetDarkLord]

Arguing about whether or not race is real misses the point. Race differences are very small. There are probably more differences between left and right handed people than between any two races, by any biological definition. In fact, the whole argument is word use. The only difference between saying "Race is real." and "Race is not real." is how small a difference "real" is.

[@thecofounders]

It was really cool to see Ramsesses the Great's mummy in person. Im glad his remains are in Cairo instead of Europe lol. He had red hair, but like you said, that sometimes happened.

[@JohnVance]

I salute you for even being able to listen to and refute to this kind of bullshit without losing your mind.

[@channel_archistoriac]

The last genetic researches showed that the Tarim mummies belong to the same haplogroups and markers that are shared with other Central Asian inhabitants up to this day.

[@seanwhelan879]

good stuff Professor, I liked Sepher at the start but thought he loved the Swastika way to much , so gave him a wide berth .😂😂 🤝🇮🇪

[@fromthebackseat4865]

This is straight up notzi ancient aryan theories.

[@scoobysnax9787]

Great new info. I have been following these mummies in Xinjiang in Chinese Language for a while, apparently their DNA sequencing have shown that they have Hungarian Origin (600BCE)when they first arrived then they became mixed more with Iranian/Persian DNA (200BCE) then more HAN DNA after that, there is Zero Indication that they were any type of ruling class, rather they were early traders on the silk route that mixed in with the Persian & Han Chinese. Where is the evidence if any that they were any type of ruling class if any?

[@davidtydeman1434]

Thank you for these “clarification “ videos

[@jaredmehrlich6683]

I Googled "what race are Russians?" Google responded "Russian" .. I'm like whaaat

[@curiositycloset2359]

-well, googles rubbish. But there are several different races in russia other than the rus

[@jaredmehrlich6683]

@@curiositycloset2359 I figured.

[@rafaelnunesduarte]

They are homo sapiens sapiens, if im not mistaken

[@miglek9613]

that's because "russian" can refer to both the russian ethnicity (white and indoeuropean) and the russian nationality, which includes over 190 distinct ethnic groups, the biggest ones being caucasian and turkic

[@giannixx]

​@@rafaelnunesduarteNo, they're Homo russiensis.

[@DanForbesAgain]

OMG I love that you're coming for Robert Sepehr - that guy is hella sus 😂

[@87eargasm]

FYI, this is a clip from a video Dr M did some time ago. Go looking through his older videos on here to find the full-length dunking.

[@AlbertaGeek]

Have you seen Gutsick Gibbon's playlist about him? Every takedown well-deserved.

[@DanForbesAgain]

I would respect Sepehr a lot more if he were to just come out and state his perspective or thesis. Instead it's just inflammatory "research" with vague references to repressive "Marxist" agendas. It's pretty entertaining though and I'm sure he's making way more money with it than he deserves 🤣 He sure loves to show himself off driving around Southern California in his Tesla 🙄 Do you ever wonder who that guy has filming him?!? 🤣

[@ikengaspirit3063]

The guy also claims Nubia and Mali were founded by Aryans. It is interesting that instead of going the route of people like "history debunked" to claim that Mali actually never existed in the form that is claimed(so, claiming Mali was a small mud hut chiefdom), he tries to claim instead that it actually be built by Aryans.

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@ikengaspirit3063 Could go look at the pictures they painted of themselves.

[@simonpierre-histoiredislam2074]

Well, I don't have any idea of the "race' of the Tarim bronze age civilisation, and of their genomic ascendency, but they should have spoken the original tokharian language before the iranian-scythes settled in the region during the iron age, so, if the people of the mummieswere not speaking tokharian, which would make more sens to be called "para-indo-european' language, it let very few space of time between them and the iranian-scythe settlement in the West of the Tarim (Kashghar-Khotan) for the speakers of Tokharian to settle. Thus, for my, the less costly hypothesis is that the population spoke tokharian, no matter their genetic was or was not an isolate. Or ?

[@FantasticExplorers]

World of Antiquity, YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART... The ruling race came from Atlantis!!!

[@jackrifleman562]

You should consider doing a collaboration video with Gutsick Gibbon. She has pretty much been fighting a war with the Sephlitics crowd the last few years.

[@JustJoe326]

European people's weren't the original teachers of humanity and people of Central or South Africa weren't the original teachers of humanity either . Such beliefs originate from people with a, " master race " superiority complex . Unfortunately, it's quite apparent, that too many archeologists, and scientists in general, still harbor such beliefs . (Personally, I firmly believe that no human being or " race " worldwide and - from birth - is better or less than anyone else)

[@angpowell9942]

Do you have anymore challenge videos of Robert Sepher? lol

[@jackrifleman562]

Gutsick Gibbon channel has dealt with Sepehr several times.

[@Woogsie]

In the early 2000's I was hiking the Appalachian Trail and stayed at a hostel in Hot Springs Nc. The owner had a few books lying around. And one of the ones I read while there was titled Tracing the History of Our Ancestors. It was full of wild claims exactly like this. I was blown away and started looking into it. Come to find out it was first published during the 1930's in Germany. And Hot Springs was one of the few places in North America that German POW's were sent during WW2. Long story short, there was no actual history in that book. Despite the multitude of "sources" sited to support its ludicrous propoganda. It's sad to see that the same kind of misinformation being perpetuated to new generations nearly 100 years after its print date

[@varyolla435]

Yes. The Nazis created their own supposed science and history to suit their ideological beliefs. That is no surprise coincidentally considering Hitler. If one reads Mein Kampf - difficult as it is poorly written drivel and meandering in nature - one sees a similarly highly skewed view of the world and history. These people were literally making up their own supposed reality as they went along....... 🤷

[@jimtoner9602]

So you could read a book printed in german

[@Woogsie]

@@jimtoner9602 I said it was originally published in Germany. Books can have different print dates in different languages sir. Just a little fyi.

[@christeankapp6549]

I am OK dismanteling the absurd claim of having blue eyed leaders around the world, but in the taim basin how do we explain the tocharian languages that are clearly indo european but not close relatives of indo iranian?

[@pendragonsxskywalkers9518]

There were more red-headed Pharaohs than Ramesses II - his great-grandson Siptah was also red-headed. (Since red hair were running int family, it is very likely that his father Seti I, son Merenptah and gradson Seti II also had red hair, but as their mummies have shaved h heads, it is impossible to confirm or reject this.)

[@wheatgrowssweet]

I find the Tarim mummies and burial practices super interesting. Aren't they the ones with grave clothes made out of paper?

[@CirclesForever]

I'm glad youve made a video about this so hopefully at least one of the top results for the topic wont be one by racists

[@pattheplanter]

I always assumed the Tarim mummies were related to the Kalash people of northeast Pakistan.

[@ironcladranchandforge7292]

Very interesting!! But here's a serious mystery that I would like solved: Why is my local weather forecast always WRONG?? It's freezing here with over 2 feet of snow. We were supposed to be 40 degrees F today. Never made it past 12 degrees for a high, and well below zero last night. All this high tech and they cannot even predict the weather correctly from one day to the next......

[@Dereliction2]

It's striking how beautiful, even in their long death, some of those Tarim individuals prove to be. They must have been truly striking in life.

[@hangten1904]

Reminds me of the Cleopatra is Black argument.

[@mueezadam8438]

Yup, most know that even as far back as the New Empire, Egypt had already become more Mediterranean from Semitic, Phoenician, etc migrations. Don’t know why they’d assume Ptolemaic dynasty would be any different 😅

[@ZK-7]

Rip to the comment section after his horde of bots come to his defense

[@bestplayeralive]

There are literally 15 comments

[@backalleycqc4790]

Yes, this guy has MANY supporters, who like the idea of a "master race" that ruled all the others.

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@bestplayeralive Best believe that the Sepehr fanboys will be coming to stick up for their senpai.

[@richern2717]

I wonder if there is a connection between them (Tarim Mummies) and the West Siberian Mesolithic Fort (Amnya) ? Descendants or distant relatives of Afontova Gora people ?

[@anomalianomali5080]

Tarim Mummy is Ancient North Eurasian, ANE comes from Siberia-Baykal, ANE is one of the founders of Eastern European Hunter Gatherer/EHG, EHG is the founder of Proto Indo European, Afantova Gora is a descendant of Indo European. So Tarim Mumi/ANE is the great grandfather of Afantova Gora

[@joshjacob1530]

yakubs magogites invaded everywhere and their dynasties/people become the rulers, you can spin this invasion whatever way u want, of couse mixing and different dynasties coming to power occurs but the general idea is there.

[@antoniotorcoli702]

Excellent video. From a genetic point of view they are not close to Afanasievo or Andronovo. Their ancestry is mainly ANE

[@djmoulton1558]

IIRC red hair can also possibly be associated with a vitamin A deficit.

[@therongjr]

I can only think of of the Indo-Aryan Maryannu ruling over the Hurrian-speakers in Mitanni.

[@ganmerlad]

Statues prove most ancient nobility, from every corner of the world, had bright blue eyes (and so they were likely Aryan)? It seems to me it's just as likely the statues prove those powerful ancient monarchs had unfettered access to the spice melange which was brought to them from far away Arrakis -- a planet in the Canopus star system -- and that's what gave them their unnatural blue eyes. /s (Yes, I recently watched the remake of Dune...) OR, giving blue eyes to the artistic representations of god-like rulers was to emphasize their difference from the common rabble.

[@gymnosophist7471]

1:55 - How can genetic studies determine what language was spoken by a group? Or am I not reading you rightly, David?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

The movements of people traced linguistically can be mapped onto the movements of people traced genetically.

[@samwill7259]

Find a guy who is asking what "they" don't want you to know. And I will show you a fascist.

[@TheVinceLyons]

They also have tartan patterned clothing?

[@annepoitrineau5650]

The guy with the wild claims...just like the people Hitler was basing his ideas on. They need to be stopped.

[@TT3TT3]

Thanks!

[@Armyjay]

That fella on the thumbnail made me think 🤔 I didn’t know Vincent Van Gogh was mummified?

[@promiscuous675]

Thank you.

[@wowowoweewaa3773]

It might have been Aryans, or maybe not. Historically, there were some Caucasian or "white" city-states in Xinjiang, and in fact, to this day, there are still many "white" tribes in Xinjiang, all of whom are Muslims. However, regardless of whether they were Aryans or not, they had no influence on traditional Chinese culture because they were very isolated settlements, and modern Caucasian people in Xinjiang have no connection to them. Ancient China didn't begin to engage with the Xinjiang region until the Han Dynasty.

[@jfjoubertquebec]

As if the natural truth wasn't exciting enough, people have to politicize everything (on every side of the debate! Not picking on any specific political view.)

[@sleebanger]

alien's bro.

[@Kierron85]

I thought the earliest found ‘mummies’ were also red beaded but they weren’t mummified, they were preserved in a bog or something?

[@Demothios]

You're probably referring to so-called "bog bodies," like the "Tollund Man". Mummification usually refers to an artificial process requiring specialised knowledge, whereas bog bodies were preserved because of entirely natural causes.

[@kkupsky6321]

My dude confuses Rameses. The the great was II and the sea people one was III? Right? Get em. .

[@giannixx]

Well the III was great in his own way...

[@michaelwittkopp3379]

Well... Tarim mummies are of the R haplogroup. The dating of the mummies is also _about_ in the timeframe that the Aryans migrated into northern India. And yes, Siberian, Turkic and Mongol groups did migrate into the Gobi - Altai region after most of the Tarim mummies were long dead. But, the R1 haplogroup of _"Aryans"_ migrated from the northwest, where all the Indo-Iranian haplogroups come from. So, zero connection between the two. Simply, the Tarim culture died out; because the Gobi area went from semi-arid steppe, to complete desert. _(The bigger question is; How, or why, did a Indo-European haplogroup migrate past the Altai Mountains, into the Gobi, of all places? Even then, it was quite arid, and not a place pastoral nomads; would want to consider their new home.)_ Next would be the Egyptian mummies. Yes, there are a few to be found with _"some"_ E1 haplogroup in them. Yet minor in comparison. In all the Egyptian mummies, the E2 _(Egyptian)_ haplogroup dominates. The only exceptions to this rule are the Hyksos mummies _(a mix of E2 & Canaanite J2),_ and of course the E1 of the Nubians. Even to this day, the Indo-European R1 & R2 haplogroups play a very minor role; in the make up of Egyptians.

[@giannixx]

The Tocharian peoples are likely descendants of the Afanasievo culture (3300-2500 BCE), and linguistic evidence indicates that those must have been one of the first groups to split from the Yamnaya. The Tarim mummies seem to be unrelated, which leads to the conclusion that the Indo-Europeans only moved down to the Taklamakan region much later. By then, there were already Indo-Iranian peoples around trading and influencing their language around the Bactria-Margiana complex. So the Indo-European peoples in the Gobi Desert (the Tocharians) are not descended from a migration of Aryan peoples (if by "Aryan" you mean Indo-Iranian or Iranian), but from people of the Afanasievo culture who migrated south. To give a geographical idea: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians#/media/File%3AIndo-European_migrations.jpg

[@michaelwittkopp3379]

@@giannixx Could be, could be, I was just interested in putting the haplogroups into prospective. But yours too; debunks that young man's myth of a herrenkultur or herrnrasse. And yes, by Aryan, I meant the Indo-Iranian tribes, of the Oxus Civilization _(Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex or BMAC, aka northwest of India.)_ And yes, I was thinking about the Yamnaya; as being the origins of the Tocharians. Just as far as the Afanasievo, I don't know if there's been a comparative study of the two later genomes.

[@ario2264]

The 18th dynasty pharaohs (Tutankhamun etc) belonged to the R1b-M269/P312 haplogroup derived from the Bell Beaker culture of central/western Europe.

[@michaelwittkopp3379]

@@ario2264Yes *BUT,* that's the Y-chromosome haplogroup, not the X-chromosome haplogroup. Y-chromosome haplogroups have a different nomenclature than X-chromosome haplogroups. *And,* it's X-chromosome haplogroups that show migration. They are the important ones. No shame though, that original Reuters article made that very same mistake. _(As in; knew that R1B is the most common X-chromosome haplogroup in Europe. So when reading that he had a R1B Y-chromosome haplogroup, they misunderstood the difference.)_ JFI: R1A, B, and C _(Y-chromosome haplogroups)_ are the counterpart to E1, E2, and E3 _(X-chromosome haplogroups)._

[@ario2264]

@@michaelwittkopp3379 No, the Y-chromosome haplogroup shows your paternal lineage, so the 18th dynasty pharaohs were paternally descended from central/western European men. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Leaked DNA data shows that Bell-Beaker-derived people migrated into Egypt at some point before the Middle Kingdom. European Bell Beaker-related lineages had previously been found in some other elite Egyptian mummies, such as Djehutynakht (2000 BC, mtDNA U5b2b5) and Takabuti (660 BC, mtDNA H4a1). The leaked data shows that both these mummies also had some European Bell Beaker autosomal (genome-wide) ancestry.

[@Dominic-mm6yf]

The Cherchen man and his family might have been Celtic traders.

[@michellerenner6880]

I’d also think that a red head would be so rare that when it popped up, that person may have been considered special.

[@fruitylerlups530]

Ohh no.. the moment I heard that voice.. Dr Miano.. youve discovered Robert Sepehr.. im so sorry lol

[@tinkerbell9757]

You obviously watch robert I can see that clearly I was watching your vids too at least till tonight when you came on a video criticizing every thing ribert said on his you showed obviously you have an issue I love archeology and history and even dna analysis on past persons it's amazing where it's going it's a large world out there and we need as many informed persons to open it up more not criticism on other you tubers about archeology so I will not be back here again no negativity and criticism that's what I enjoy about Sephrer!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

You don’t think Sepehr is negative?

[@1Kent]

Does that guy work for PragerU?

[@ario2264]

Ancient North Eurasians were predominantly descended from Paleolithic European hunter-gatherers, and these early Tarim Basin mummies were predominantly descended from Ancient North Eurasians. So yes they were largely of European origin, just Paleolithic European origin rather than Bronze Age European origin. Later mummies like the famous Cherchen Man from 1000 BC may have also had Bronze Age European ancestry.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

The dispute is about whether they were Aryan.

[@ario2264]

​@@WorldofAntiquity Also about whether they were Caucasian.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@ario2264 In Sepehr's mind, they are the same thing. But of course, they aren't.

[@ario2264]

@@WorldofAntiquity Yeah.

[@boiled_fish_with_rice]

@@WorldofAntiquity ane had a tianyuan like ancestor , an east eurasian ancestor ( like ancestral south indian , jomon , and melanasians , east Asians etc ) the origin of ydna r1a and r1b also lies in this eastern ancestor, who carried a archaic ydna known as p , which ultimately originated from a south asian ydna "f" (immediately after sapiens left Africa) Also classifying these paleolithic Europeans as "European" is wrong as they ( sunghir and kostenski) when modelled on genomic calculators has a bit of every genome , they even African for some instances, infact in fst distance those people would be closer to modern south west asian and basal eurasians than modern Europeans

[@donzorro5976]

Hi David, I've seen you do several videos criticizing whites who make outlandish historical claims about race, and yet you have never done one criticizing blacks who in my experience make outlandish historical claims about race all the time. Why is that?

[@faithlesshound5621]

My guess is the "outlandish historical claims made by whites" are what are most commonly accepted among his home audience, which would be mostly white Americans.

[@diebesgrab]

The former claims tend to have wider visibility than the latter.

[@AveragePicker]

Robert Sepehr spends a lot of time on and being praised on white supremacist forums and pushes a pretty racist agenda full of misinformation and pseudo bs ...and you're here with the "but what the blacks..." 🤨...and never mind the fact that this sort of work is rooted in nazi archeology. I'm a bit skeptical you aren't sporting an 88 tattoo somewhere but ok....Name 3 of these black pseudo archeologist that have you all in a tizzy about their outlandish claims. If you name them at least we can look them up and see what you anecdotal claim is about.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

There is a lot of pseudoscience to get through, Don. But so far I have only done one video on "Caucasians." This one is just an excerpt from that one video.

[@user-ey6rc1uo3i]

Perhaps David is black and just paints himself white as a cunning disguise so he can take us all in.

[@hglundahl]

0:50 Weegur? Oygur, but Ooy for Oy and goor for gur! I _hope_ I get this right!

[@hglundahl]

I suppose Dr. M had seen the standard spelling and misinterpreted it

[@WorldofAntiquity]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGnLZnihhcmijbs

[@sahilsingh6048]

I know this youtuber , i think he has some serious problem , he twists history accroding to Bible too much , even many believe him.

[@hessex1899]

Within 15 seconds I was getting strong Christian Identity vibes. A group of people that find Waffle House menus challenging to navigate.

[@sahilsingh6048]

@@hessex1899 true.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Hes just a contra. Does have some good work, not really on the same level of the ancient civ crowed

[@backalleycqc4790]

​@@curiositycloset2359What "good work" is that?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

😄When did this happen, Sahil?

[@akenon5901]

Oh look, anecdotal evidence, let's generalise and ignore all the other tombs, depictions and descriptions that tell us otherwise... Getting tiring that this is too easy for them to find sufficient to push their ideas.. I've been coming to the conclusion recently that scientific discoveries, in any field really, should be relayed on all news outlets, plus it would make for a more positive world view to develop, maybe...

[@Shimra8888]

More debunking vids please!!

[@loke6664]

Yeah, we do have the DNA from a bunch of New kingdom pharaohs and they were Egyptian. I wonder what he thinks of the 25th dynasty though, were the Nubian pharaohs white too? In any case, we have seen movements of steppe people both to China and Europe so I don't think fairer skin in the most western part of ancient China really proves anything. The red hair indeed happened during the natural mummification too, as good as all bog bodies have red hair when you find them. Also, even 4000 years ago, there were already a rather impressive bronze age culture in China since a long time. I think the dude is a bit delusional, while we in some areas do see invaders taking over all higher positions (like the early Saxon invasion and Norman invasion of England) that is generally not the case. We also do see examples of it in Egypt, not just with the Macedonians but with Hyksos and Nubians as well. Totally 8 of the 33 Dynasties of Egypt was foreigners but only the 2 last Greek Macedonian dynasties were white. So there is a tiny truth to what he say, there were some white pharaohs in Egypt (no matter what Netflix tries to tell you) but the huge majority were still Egyptian and it wasn't until the second intermediate period we seen any foreigners besides some married in princesses from other countries (marrying into the family wasn't a thing until the New kingdom). The same thing can't be said about China, you have some Mongolians and some Slavic people and horse nomads did at time control smaller areas in what is now China but that is a far step of saying that Europeans ruled China. As for the Aryans, the people of southern India did describe them as "fair skinned" but that doesn't say as much as he thinks, people of Southern India is often very dark skinned so they could have described anyone from someone with normal skin from northern India to Mongolians to Scandinavians with that description. Without access to DNA from said people, we really can't tell. And just because it mostly Europeans speaking Indo European languages today doesn't actually mean the Indo Europeans were fair skinned. They might have been but that is not something we have confirmed. There is already the debate if we actually have any archaeological artifacts from said Aryans or not. People do point out said Tarim mummies as such but they don't really have any evidence for that besides them having fair skin and not all fair skinned people are even Indo Europeans (ask anyone from Finland or Hungary). This part needs a lot of more work and the only good evidence we have are in language. We aren't even sure that the original Indo European wasn't a trade language originally yet, we just see it starting to pop up in places with literacy, so it might have spread with migration or just with trade. It is sadly surprisingly hard to trace ancient languages before each region learn how to write it down.

[@johnmanole4779]

There is a gold mine of such fools, if you are interested, Asha Logos said the scythians were germanic and such.

[@kumstuke]

Brooo....asha logos is another lunatic with full ultra narrative

[@johnmanole4779]

@@kumstuke and anti semetic

[@kumstuke]

@@johnmanole4779 of course, when you are an ultra you kind anti any other religion or race

[@kumstuke]

For some reason my reply is hidden lol

[@johnmanole4779]

@@kumstuke is it?

[@BillGreenAZ]

Dr. Maiano, you mention in the video: "Blue eyes are not unique to Indo-Europeans. These features are more common in Europe, but they can be found all over the world." Blue eyes can be found all over the world but they are of such small numbers outside Europe that I feel it doesn't disqualify Sepehr's findings of so many leaders being European because they have blue eyes. You do a good job of excluding the Tarim people from being European because we have genetic evidence against this. However, in your previous video "Did Caucasians Rule All the Great Ancient Civilizations? | Robert Sepehr Examined", you brought up the idea of 3 genetic markers for blue eyes as being BEH1, BEH2 and BEH3. The article you referred to mentioned that one marker, BEH2, was found almost exclusively in Europe.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

So many leaders?

[@BillGreenAZ]

@@WorldofAntiquity , the number of leaders Sepehr mentions.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@BillGreenAZ He provides very poor evidence for many leaders being European.

[@BillGreenAZ]

@@WorldofAntiquity , thanks Dr. M. Does he give good evidence that many leaders had blue eyes? I've read where quite a few Roman emperors had either blue or gray eyes. I would love to hear your take on DNA findings regarding King Tut. It is said that he shares DNA with many Europeans but I've also read where his DNA is more like northern Africans, like Berbers.

[@miaththered]

Their 'race'? Human, last I checked.

[@NawDawgTheRazor]

Blatant racist motivations aside, in what way can he even logically connect a remote population bordering Mongolia and the Middle East to a status of founding and ruling China? Did he present any evidence of their presence or remains in any of the major early dynastic and pre dynastic sites or any connection to Chinese culture whatsoever? Asinine.

[@Pados_music]

Sepehr believes Atlantis was a real place. Knowing that i cannot take him seriously, not to mention all the other impressive inaccuracies he says.

[@diebesgrab]

Oh, hi there, 19th-century scientific racism. Haven’t seen you in a while, how’s the wife?

[@Armyjay]

Well done David, this guy needs a “good talking to” as my Grandmother used to say as a euphemism for… well you know, more than a talking to. Lol. But seriously, he really needed taking down a peg or two. Those Mummies in China were also from the region that has historically been the “gateway” to China and on the Silk Road. The population there has always been different to the regularly Chinese. That guy though, have you seen any more of his output? He’s literally a White Supremacist, i’m not being hyperbolic. Every single video about ancient civilisations always end up being linked to “Aryan people”. He’s like one of the historians who were enthusiastically distorting history for the Third Reich. Anyway, keep up the great work.

[@Gaudyaesthetic]

Caucasian meaning the people of the Caucus which still exist today? This is no secret that they ruled over Egypt.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Genetic analysis telling us about linguistics requires some explanation Finns look scandinavian while speaking a language closer related to Turkish after all

[@revolutionaryhamburger]

DNA once again beats phrenology, and both of those things beat the KZbin science of pretending to pry open the dead eyes of ancient mummies so you can guess their eye color.

[@uniformityofnature1488]

Great video that guy is a nut case his followers even more so they believe they are from Atlantis

[@Arcadian-Nova]

the original video is giving be the yikes, the fact that he is like " oh all rulers were white" and even SAYS ARYAN??? uhhhhhh the combination of those two points... is uh....suspicious

[@jackrifleman562]

Take a look at the comments by his fans in the comments section of one of his videos or how they comment when they show up to attack people that post videos critical of him. Dead giveaways in terms of his core audience.

[@rf7192]

I have a small rock that had a face carved into it. The eyes were painted blue, the hair black. This was found at a very old indian site in the mountains of Tennessee by my grandfather, probably in the 1930s.

[@ikballalli5539]

Why have you not publicized this?

[@curiositycloset2359]

not heard of europeans visiting vine land?

[@Playerone1287]

Professor do some videos on india You'll get more views

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I've done several, and more are coming.

[@Playerone1287]

@@WorldofAntiquity i know, I've watched all of them