The Regular Production Mopar Feature Most Mopar Guys Have Never Heard Of

[@blackcatpgh13]

When you put on the glasses and pulled out that service manual, I thought - this is Mopar Bible Study with Uncle Tony!

[@Sedan57Chevy]

Man, a 4-speed 440 c body would be a lot of fun! I love the reverse cant rear pillars on the c body hardtop coupes these years. Such good looking cars, even if they're completely overshadowed by the b bodies.

[@clembob8004]

Yeah, the 67-68 models are about my favorite C bodies. Beautiful cars and Mopar was really pushing luxury even in the Fury and the quality and fit and finish was pretty good on those.

[@hulkvtx1]

I'm restoring my 68 polara 500 convertible factory 440 hp (1 of 24 built) with console shift auto. But thinking about doing a manual swap now if I can find the pieces needed.

[@cuda426hemi]

They called that C pillar the "fast top" in the brochures. AMC would be all over that with their Rebel Machine in '70 😎

[@UberLummox]

I prefer the regular coupe non-Fast Top roof. I have one w/a 440. Great looking body style, and seems less common than the Fast Top. Could be wrong.

[@cuda426hemi]

@@UberLummox Fast Top is more rare as it was VIP model. But any 2 door C body is rare now. But I like the non Fast Top C pillar HT as well. Same with their B body C pillars in '67-'68 - the best imo especially the '68-70 compound curves B body C pillar. Of course we're talking two doors here - NONE of the 4 doors had hip C pillars 🚗

[@garryhatchett775]

Very interesting. I learned something today. Thanks.

[@rocketresto]

Good info Tony. Own a couple of these and an NOS rear end I found in a closed down Chrysler dealer years ago. Thought it was a Dana 60 when I bought it and when I got it home was a little surprised. Have a 1968 440 4 Speed Sport Fury Convertible and a 68 Fury 440 4 Speed fast top car. Also the interior picture you show is one of my pictures, interior of a 1967 Plymouth Fury III 383-4 4 Speed 4 Door car. Called it the famous 444, Plymouths answer to the 442. 4 Barrel, 4 Door, 4 Speed! It's in the midwest now.

[@jamesblair9614]

I figured that interior shot was likely your car, I remember seeing it at the Oak harbor show quite a few years back, It’s a great car.

[@davidmusselwhite2521]

Steve mags found one in a fury with a 4 speed and 440

[@watzonda2b]

Hmmmmm, maybe that is where the idea for this video came from....

[@roberttoews2775]

Thanks for some c-body content. Fun stuff.

[@marcusmaddenov2451]

I had one of those 68 Sport Fury 3 ! That color green! Had a 383 and a vinyl top!

[@ladonnaghareeb4609]

Man Tony you are such a fountain of knowledge. Thank you!

[@kenleppek]

Love it

[@timmcooper294]

That's amazing. I'm very familiar with the Dana 53, had a Jeep truck with one, and noticed a few things about it. It had more hypoid offset with a larger pinion gear / teeth than a Dana 60 of the same gear ratio. They were also used in Lincolns, and as the basis of super special Mercury Cougar prototype 2 speed rears. Cool stuff !!

[@Matthewcook-s7c]

Great mopar knowledge. Love your show.

[@clembob8004]

Interesting! I know Mopars like the back of my hand, but this I didn't know. And the funny thing is the minute Uncle T said this mystery feature was on 67-68 cars, I thought it would be the flow-through ventilation offered on the 67-68 C bodies - they had a vent grille behind the back window on those. I actually have a bunch of original 1967 Plymouth Fury/VIP brochures that advertise that feature.

[@auteurfiddler8706]

It was a flop in 1967 and eliminated for 1968.

[@daddysbrokegarage]

It was an awful feature also! I have one in a 67 VIP fast top

[@clembob8004]

@@daddysbrokegarage It sounded like a good idea, but yeah it couldn't have been good if it was dumped after one year.

[@FrankF-vp4pt]

Cool history Uncle Tony. If I come across a 67-68 C body with a factory 440 and 4 speed I better grab it! Rare as hens teeth! Idea here: it would be cool if you did a military Mopar history segment sometime. I'm your age and back when I was 19 I worked for an excavator who had a 1946 4x4 Power Wagon It had the Continental flathead six . He bought it at a military surplus auction and put a small backhoe on it. Lots of neat Mopar military history.

[@zagstrukk]

Don't forget that the most badass off road vehicle that Chrysler made is the M1 Abrams.

[@charlieryan1736]

Thanks for another interesting video

[@DragPakMerc]

Dana 53 was the basis for the two-speed "streep" rear axle that almost became an option for the '69 Cougar. It wasn't a modified 9" like most people assume.

[@Steverinomeister]

I had a 66 Sport Fury 440/4 speed. I paid 325 dollars for it back in 85. I got rid of it because I tried to find a set of headers for it and learned you could get Zero speed parts for a C body. That’s when I switched over to B bodies. I’ve got a 63 Dodge 330 two door sedan now.

[@MonValleyMuscle]

I’m currently looking at a ‘68 Sport Fury Fast Top, 383 Super Commando with a 4 speed. Beautiful car, tons of fun to drive. I think I’m gonna bring it home permanently! 😁

[@cactuscanuck6802]

Another awesome history lesson. Thanks Uncle Tony!

[@jeffnolan7392]

Always informative. Thanks. Now I'm gonna go watch that vid on that resto you called "exceptional". I'm sure it's gonna be good.

[@jamesblair9614]

I must be psychic, I knew exactly where you were going. I can verify one 1967 Hemi automatic car was built with the Dana 53, the car is original, unchanged and still exists. The car was a demonstrator for a dealership employee, which makes sense Chrysler would pick that car to try something on, rather than a customer off the street.

[@BrandonLeeBrown]

I bought a B-body Dana 53 from a guy that told me he took it out of a 1966 Satellite. It was a 3.31 Sure Grip and fit my B-body perfectly.

[@andrewelliot5516]

Yeah, when I drew that chart I didn't know about the Dana 53 - nice to see my work on KZbin now, it's been all over the net for 25+ years

[@glennfields8121]

You are incredibly well versed and knowledgeable.

[@captainjohnh9405]

Watching Tony read from the manual, I got a flashback to Orson Welles as Father Mapple preaching from the pulpit in movie Moby Dick. Hail the Reverend: Uncle Tony!

[@Matthewcook-s7c]

My Father bought a 70 Roadrunner 3 speed Standard transmission from Rosenstock Chrysler Plymouth Houston Texas. The car was geared really high. It came with a 11 bolt rear end . Non positract. The car would run 120 in 2nd Gear. Then start peg the 150 speedometer in 3rd.

[@jseal21]

I just looked that exact image up last night looking into the 9.25" rear end. Deja vu

[@lukepokrajac1057]

My 68 Sport Fury Convertible is 1/40 with 4 speed manual and H code 383. It is a standard 3.23 open rear end 742 case 8 3/4 rear end.

[@roberthill2219]

I saw a somewhat intact '68 Dodge Monaco fastback that was a L code 4 speed in a Texas junkyard a few years ago with one of those rear ends. Too bad I didn't have anyone to send video of it to in Tennessee.

[@u121921]

In the MoonRunners movie that birthed the Dukes of Hazard they were driving 71 Furys with big blocks and floor shifted manuals . Don't know if they were 4 speeds but Bobby Lee Haggs sounded good going thru gears hauling a load of Likker. . Bunch of beat to death 71 to 73 Chevy cop cars on the bad guys side , you can even see 1 pop the C clip off the rear when it gets rammed off road . heard that the 3oo that inspired the General has been to Cooters place.

[@jeffnolan7392]

Mopars are your thing, but that green Fury (?) @7:30 is one of the most beautiful Mopar there is. I love the '74 chargers, nobody else does, I don't like the Hemis, everybody else does, but that car with a Hemi would be in my stable in a proud spot. Too bad I can't find more than one Chevy I like, and it's one nobody likes. I like a few, like the '66 Malibu fastback two door, sweet, but my fav is the '72 Monte Carlo. Stop laughing. I mean it, stop~!🤣

[@EarlwithanE]

And that’s today’s Mopar history nugget today with Professor UT!! Thanks, Tony 👍💪

[@royferntorp]

We used to swap out the Charger rear end with a ten bolt Salisbury with 3.55 gears. Cheap but it worked.

[@jyeager2881]

Thanks..... It was like a Steve Mags video!

[@DanielIson-o5b]

PowerNation slant😁 so many AUSSIE bits. Ozzy pride, luv the tower o' power.

[@sparkywirenut]

Tried leaving a link for the Superlight but youtube deletes it ? If you never heard of it just do a search and it comes right up .

[@brianz426]

I love this kind of stuff!!! Thanks Uncle Tony.

[@johnringel9892]

You are correct. In 67 You could order a Chrysler , Plymouth, or Dodge C body with the Hi Po 440, and a 4 speed. I have to confess the only 67 Chryslers I have heard of with a 4 speed are a handful of 300s. In 68 Chrysler dropped the 4 speed option, but it continued to be available in C body Dodge, and Plymouth. In 69 Plymouth sales information showed the 440 Super Commando being available with a 4 speed in the Fury. However, I have never actually seen one, nor am I aware that any were in fact built. With all of that said, if you ordered a C body with the Hi Po 440, and a 4 speed. The 9 1/4 inch Dana 53 rear was used. Easy to forget as it is so rare to see one of these cars in person. A always Uncle Tony. Good content

[@MrJayrock620]

If I can make it to MoparFest this weekend I’ll definitely take a look underneath any C body 440’s with a handshaker to see if one’s back there

[@JacksoNR26]

Can someone help direct me to understand 67 to 69 barracuda options and which ones are of most valuable that would drive the price up. I have a mopar book at home but it's mostly historical information

[@louislepage5111]

Thank you UTG , I just learned something new today 😊

[@petereconomakis149]

Wow learned something today! Did Mopar even try making the basic tubing thicker on the 8 an 3/4 rear or was it not even worth it? Seams a ford 9 inch is the same setup..

[@jonathangehman4005]

Hey Uncle Tony, this topic reminds me of something I've heard a few times over the years but have never been able to verify; Was there an option for "Upgraded" paint? I've heard that you could pay for the factory to basically put an extra coat or increase the thickness of the paint in some way. Is that true? And if so what are the facts about this option. Thanks, I dig what you do, never stop

[@jonathangehman4005]

"See you tomorrow", don't you mean "I hope you got something out of that"? I've obviously watched too many of these... I saw one of those 440 4spd Fury's at Carlisle in the mid 90', I really wanted it because it was really, really nice. Like 70,000miles, great interior with only a bit of wear around the edges, reasonably straight with no rust, good paint and I already had the front bumper and grill that it needed, but HOLY COW! They wanted $3,800 for it! Insanity! For a C-Body. When I think about the cars I passed up back then I just feel sick...

[@barryrussell4106]

I’m really loving these kind of videos uncle Tony. That day two from day one SC/Rambler video was the bomb. I keep saying I’d love to hear stories of street racing back in the day what you saw and heard others tell in shops etc. tell us the legends that you heard and saw

[@Daniel-fd3wp]

I can almost positively say that UTG with his Charger would had beat the Black Ghost hands down. 👍

[@sparkywirenut]

When I first saw the title I thought it may be the " Superlight " , that was only available for a couple of years .

[@rockymeyers4030]

Steve Mags show on one of the free motortrend channels just mentioned the super light, minutes before Tony posted this, I never knew til today

[@clembob8004]

I think it was 69-70 when those were available. I remember a neighbor who had a 69 Dodge Polara with that.

[@sparkywirenut]

@@clembob8004 Corerect , the cars were made in Michigan but the Superlight was illegal in Michigan and a few other states , something to do with that cars wern't allowed to have more than four headlights ?

[@Matthewcook-s7c]

I have never seen another 11 bolt rear end in a Mopar the car was supposedly a test car . The car was rear ended in a collision. The complete drive train was installed in my 70 R/T Charger

[@MsKatjie]

I would of paid for one. Asked the dealer to shave the heads and install high comp pistons and my flat solid, that one brings back in time, plus the pistons and rings. With Dr. Who!

[@carlcarlamos9055]

I had a ‘73 Camper 9000, 2wd, srw that had a Dana 62(4.10). Take care.

[@timrayburn2461]

Thanks

[@alexbehnen7371]

Good evening

[@VintageLifeCars]

Used to have a '67 4-door hardtop VIP with a 318 auto. Now I want a 440 4-Speed '67 Fury 2-door...

[@jesselent7894]

my father owned a 71’ sport fury GT

[@josephszot5545]

Uncle Tony, your opinion what's the limit on low gear ratio for a everyday street driven Mopar big block? My thinking is a 3.54 is the limit.

[@Moletastic69]

Cool trivia! That red interior was a 383 but 4 speed that was for sale on Bring a Trailer, or eBay or somewhere, I don't quite remember. All I remember is that I wanted it really bad! A red, maroon, 4 door with dog dish hubcaps, it looked so perfect. Kind of had a bit of a moonshine runner vibe. So cool.

[@bobbyz1964]

An old Mitchell Manual I've got shows a 4 barrel 318 with a little over 10 to 1 compression in 68-69. Any idea if that ever happened? Or was that the Mexican 270hp 318?

[@LongIslandMopars]

I wouldn't mind having that engine.

[@bobbyz1964]

@LongIslandMopars I'd just like to know something more about it. Only one line line in the engine identification of the old manual, 68-69, 4 barrel and 10.5 compression. Cop motor, export only, or something that just never happened? I know there was a 270hp 318 in Mexico, but haven't found any specs on it. And yeah, I'd like to have one too!

[@LongIslandMopars]

@@bobbyz1964 I bought a factory 273 4bbl intake for the 273 in my 66 Coronet but have yet to find a small AFB 4bbl to put on it. I rebuilt the engine but only to stock spec instead of the high compression that was offered in early A-bodies (never in a B-body). I'm still running the 2bbl but added a mild Isky cam. The 4bbl may or may not give it more oomph, but it would be cool to have. I only make about 200hp with the stock setup.

[@bobbyz1964]

@LongIslandMopars Initially, I ran the same 600 Carter Competition AFB the I had on the 318 in my pickup. Replaced it with a 500 AVS2, thinking it'd be a better fit for a 273. Honestly, there wasn't a night and day difference at all.. Half tempted to put the old Carter back on and spend some time tuning it to see if it gets comparable gas mileage. It's getting in the 15s on highway trips now, which ain't bad in a 3/4 ton 4x4 with the aerodynamics of a brick shit house.

[@rmnixon14]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. I think the chance of improvement is very small. I would consider bringing the timing closer to TDC and trying premium fuel.

[@ronhood7773]

Dad's new special order 68 sport fury with 383 super commando auto heavy duty towing pak sure grip,3:23, had the 8 3/4.

[@MidnightOilsRestoration]

There were some 440/4speed sport fury's in 1966 also. Ive seen them but I believe they had 8.75" rears

[@tomhergert]

Correct

[@BrandonLeeBrown]

Yes, the 1966 440 was the regular performance version and not the later high performance version. The 66 4-speed transmission was the 23 spline version, while 67 and 68 got the 18 spline, "Hemi" 4-speed transmission, with a special driveshaft, cooling system and front disc brakes.

[@rocketresto]

@@BrandonLeeBrown yep my 68 440 4 speed sport fury has the numbers 18 spline

[@dustydustydusty]

Almost pretty sure I did not know that, but strangely it rings a far distant bell. Now almost completely sure I've seen that in a scrap yard and didn't know what it was.

[@tommyreid2317]

Had a 77 dodge van, had an 8 3/8 with 3.23 have an 84 dodge truck with 8 1/4 3.21, I know that happens as the dana has 3.54 instead of 3.55 different rears use different numbers sometimes,this van had an equipment tag under the hood, stating the rear was an 8 and3/8

[@MattsRageFitGarage]

We had a 78 B200 for years, and it also had an 8-3/8" rear axle, the information sticker under the hood even said it. Looking it up, I can't find a damn thing about that axle. It had a 3.21 open gear.

[@petermanzo1152]

They used them in limo cars i have one out of a 72 newport limo i used to have apparently the last year used

[@billsmopars4927]

What was the 9 1/4 in the Diplomat?

[@mikedimaio1237]

My '70 Chrysler 300 has a clutch plug in the firewall so it was probably an option for the 4spd, also there was the Imperial rear wheel disc brake rear.

[@darrylroederer2680]

Please forgive me as I'm a general motor's guy, and as such not particularly well versed in Mopar period but back in the 70s, my grandparents had A71 Plymouth fury with a factory 440 and 4 speed period also in my teenage years, a neighbor had a bear bones 1970 fury with a 3 on the tree period I believe the fury qualifies as a sea body, but am I somehow mistaken or was I imagining it?

[@MycontentisgoldJerryGold]

I owned a similar car. It was a 1968 Plymouth Fury III Fast Top in Medium Blue and a painted white roof. It had the 350hp 440, but only an automatic. I have no idea what rear end was in the car. [According to NHRA, the Fury IIIs and the Fury wagons were the only Fury models to get the 440/350 engines as the sole option. Everything else got the 440/375 engines standard.

[@jamielombardo5292]

My 1968 New Yorker had 440 Golden Commando engine.

[@dustydustydusty]

Yeah I've been thinking about it and was with a hardcore Chevy guy and he said it was crap. Could of scored a decent differential for $15. Instead we got snow cones at the carnival. Phycic kick to his. Stuff. The snow cone was weak. Now 18 years later I'm wondering if I should drive 800 + miles to see if it's still there. If it is I bet the price went up. Damn

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

That's amazing. Thanks Tony!!!!!

[@denniscarroll7696]

I have seen that chart before. ...but I always love your added info.

[@speedfreak8200]

My guess was Dana 60 I was not aware of the 53. But anyway, that thumb nail jumped right out, early 80's I bought a 66' Ply 4dr hardtop sport fury 3 ☆ 383 4bbl. Same color green, geat car but heavy, tall ⚙️ gears $350, drove the ⛽️ guzzler around for a couple months, sold for $500.00

[@craigbenz4835]

A '67 or '68 C body 4 speed would be really sweet.

[@lukepokrajac1057]

I have one...they really are awesome. Wonderful cars with a 4-speed.

[@rong4189]

Never heard or seen that one! I wonder if it’s mentioned (4 speed) in the brochure?

[@richardturk7162]

I had a 69 Imperial and it didn't have an 83/4 and it wasn't a DANA 60 Is there a chance it was a Dana 53? This Imperial had the heavy duty towing package.

[@C-BodyGarage]

UT.....you need to find a project c body Fury with the 440 4 speed with the Dana 59 :)

[@martyanthony4116]

I have a 67 Monaco 500. It was built with a 383 factory four speed. It’s the 489 rear end though, not the Dana 53. Still haven’t broken it though!!😂

[@LongIslandMopars]

Buddy of mine in our club has the same car in a convertible. 383 car as well; has the 8 3/4 rear. According to Uncle T, you had to have a 440 in order to get the Dana 53. Cool car you got there.

[@brianandglendaharkin9457]

Obviously Chrysler workshops of the area had workshop books on that diff . 🤔👍🏻

[@mayhemindustrial7144]

A 440 4-speed Newport?? Gotta see it to believe it! If anyone has a link to an article on one of these let me know. 👌🏻

[@cdogg1787]

on the top of Fury's, anyone know an easy gas pedal replacement for the floor mounted one? I hate it! Always flopping and such, would much rather have a suspended gas pedal.

[@mikepoint4717]

Keep these historical fact videos coming Uncle Tony . Cheers 🇨🇦

[@jamespell8091]

Trippy stuff Tony. (I think i had one of those 4speed tail housings) ...its kind of strange because in 69 they did the Fury with 3 two barrels but the furry was a "B" body no 4 speed. Big car the factory was probably afraid customers would do clutch dumps with a boat in tow and fishing gear in the trunk and perhaps an elk on the hood that they hit somewhere along the way. It got ridiculous along the way as the years went on. New Process. Have you done a vidieo on the New Prosess company? I had googled them and all aling for some reason i thought this was a Chrysler entity but i dont think they ever were.i have been in a couple transmissions and have seen some inconsistentsies. Im thinking GM stuff. Anyway. Big cars i can be a sucker for big cars. Cool vidieo. Jim

[@kart70]

Other axles available but not necessarily in cars include dana 44, 8 3/8 (an 8 1/4 with a different ring gear), and dana 70. Of course I am not talking about the cars from that era, I am talking about pickups and vans.

[@cobyburrow9339]

Great information video!

[@williamrose8944]

Remember that King Cobra Torino 1970 had a 2 speed center section would be nice.

[@CORVAIRWILD]

Chevy used the power pack name in 1955 on their 265 4 barrel

[@windycityben4850]

Uncle Tony History lessons are the best!!🙌🙌

[@craigjones2878]

I know it’s not relevant to most Mopar guys but in Australian built Chrysler products a Borg Warner rear end was used including the 265 hemi with the triple webers and also 340 powered Chargers.

[@Beanerds]

I have an E37 with this Diff , 300+ hp and 300nM torque , never had a problem after 20 + years of abuse ,, it's the brakes that are weak , ( CM rear brakes fitted about 1995 )

[@rgpark69]

C body stick shift. Was there column shift manual C body cars?

[@lukepokrajac1057]

Yep...3 on the tree column shift was available.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

I knew that years ago and had forgotten it. Thanks Uncle!

[@BrandonLeeBrown]

I bought a Dana 53 from a guy that claimed he got it out of a 1966 Satellite. It was a 3.31 Sure Grip and it did fit a B body, not a C body. I wonder if the 66 Satellite was a 67 GTX and he misidentified it at the junk yard. When I was 17 I replaced the passenger side axle shaft in a 68 4 speed GTX. I was guessing it was a Dana 60 and it likely was. I bought a new replacement axle shaft at a dealer in the 1970's. The original axle shaft I removed was tapered to reduce weight. The dealer service replacement axle shaft was not tapered and was full diameter for its length, but it was a perfect fit. I think they might have been trying to reduce the vehicle weight with the original and the replacement required less machining to make. I still wonder what the B-body Dana 53 was originally in. Was it a shortened C-body Dana 53? Did it use 8 3/4" axle shafts, making the shortening easy? That doesn't seem likely. Where did the B-body Dana 53 axle shafts come from? Custom jobs? I doubt it. Is it in a 1966 service manual? Was it a Hemi (automatic?) rear for part of 66? The 66 4 speed Hemi got a Dana 60 with the Ford F250 U-joint U-bolts instead of the Mopar U-joint straps. The guy never mentioned a Hemi.

[@Ecosse57]

a buddy of mine had several mid-70s 440 ex-cop car grand furys (think blues brothers) and i thought they had the 9 1/4 dana, yes?

[@dtruth5769]

SO WHATS BETTER THE 9 1/4 OR THE 8 3/4??? IVE HAD BOTH AND NEITHER EVER FAILED.

[@bobnewman8978]

A few years ago I saw a 68 Chrysler 440 4spd for sale in southern Ontario. I thought it was either a scam or home built. The add did say it was original, if only I new about this before.

[@Imnotyourdoormat]

I've never heard of it...but, For me IMO. I'm still trippin on the "Aircraft Landing Light" or "5th Light Option" that was just too tuff...only MoPar!!! Most people [other than hardcore MoPar Fans] never heard of it.

[@lilmike2710]

What about the old Imperials?

[@eugenepiurkowski5439]

Dad had a Fury with a 318. The rear end whined at 35 mph and disappeared at 40 mph. The mechanic said it was a harmonic issue and that most drivetrains would reach that point at over 100 mph. They replaced the rear end and the whine disappeared. Did the mechanic make up that comment, or did it have validity. It think it was Dad's 67 Fury. Thanks for all the Mopar info.

[@JCVACCARO]

Never knew this. Thanks for the Mopar info.

[@upperpeninsulaphotography6624]

Your channel should be called Professor Tony's Garage given your wealth of knowledge. Distinguished Professor of Moparology.

[@carlpassarellirealtor2671]

Uncle Tony. The king of common sense old school hot rodding.

[@SWResto]

School in session! Thanks Tony!

[@BigMikesHooptyBarn]

I sure wish my 68 Fury lll would have been a 440 / 4 speed!

[@petepeabody8905]

very cool info. thanks

[@chrisvandecar4676]

Need a puppy update!

[@dtread9543]

It actually looks pretty close in shape to a Dana 44 chevy truck front axle center section.