The Return of Creepshow Art...

[@smokey_glow]

Hi friends! At the end of the video when I am discussing Shannon’s sibling and friend I accidentally misgendered them! They both go by they/them pronouns. I unfortunately can’t edit the video now in KZbin but if you mention either of them in the comments please be respectful of there correct pronouns and I apologize for not seeing that sooner.

[@kaikuva6743]

i've always appreciated how inclusive and respectful you strive to be when talking about vulnerable groups. ngl, as a nonbinary person myself it's always quite anxiety-inducing and painful to hear misgendering even when it's not directed at me, but thank you for acknowledging your mistake and pinning this comment. i also must inform you that "preferred pronouns" is generally seen as a microaggression ("correct pronouns" or just "pronouns" is better), which i'm sure you weren't aware of since i don't think you would have used the term if you'd known. you might also want to use the word "sibling" instead of "sister".

[@katelyno.9841]

Genuine question-if someone goes by they/them, is sister the appropriate term generally, or should we just use sibling?

[@lordoftheducks332]

@@katelyno.9841 hey, I’m nonbinary, it typically depends on the person, so if you know someone in real life who is nonbinary it’s always best to just ask, but sibling is usually good

[@kaikuva6743]

@@katelyno.9841 if someone uses gender-neutral pronouns, it's a fairly safe bet they also use gender-neutral words, like sibling instead of sister. this is not the case for everyone, though, as we are all different; some nonbinary folks are fine with traditionally gendered words, such as wife. most people tend to appreciate it if you ask them how you should refer to them.

[@nihilismistheonlyway4680]

@@kaikuva6743 ppl need to chill tf out.its not like she did it on purpose. ppl shouldn't get so bothered by things not directly meant for them. blows my mind when someone says it offended THEM when it wasn't even ABOUT THEM! lol

[@ash-is-napping]

The fact that Emily had to lay out the “proof” of her SA reminds me so much of the Jesse Smiles situation. Can we stop making victims relive their trauma over and over again, and for what? There should never have been a reason for Emily to go into this crazy amount of detail, it’s just disgusting that we live in this world. I don’t know what we have to do, but we have to create a world where survivors are believed and supported and not questioned. This is fucking crazy.

[@xryxix]

All of this, honestly

[@cherry_tonic]

oh mygod YEAH, we are not at all entitled to them delving so much into what happened to millions of strangers on the internet. both Jessi and Emily shouldn’t have to feel forced to do that

[@Angelface11]

Except Jessie kept bringing it up publicly. In this case it wasn't Emily.

[@thatemogirlfromthegym]

@@Angelface11 no. Gabbie Hanna kept bringing it up.

[@taylors445]

@@thatemogirlfromthegym yes thank you! Jessi never brought this to the public. From the beginning her trauma has been blasted out in a public arena without Jessi’s consent. From that awful TMZ article and Gabbie Hanna using it as a weapon to hurt her, Jessi has been through enough! I still can’t believe some people still don’t see how fucked up that situation was and how absolutely vile Gabbie has been to Jessi.

[@giaparmer]

As soon as Shannon started talking about colors on the walls in Instagram posts from years ago I absolutely knew that she was guilty of everything she was accused of…. That is the creepiest stalker behavior shit I have ever heard in my entire life

[@fashiharz8584]

This reminds me that I would need a green screen or at least a blanket in the background if I'm going to make a video and put it on the internet. You never know what kind of creeps will find you.

[@andromeda7758]

Literally don't even know what color my best friends room is nevermind my partners ex. How she didn't think that would be weird is beyond me

[@AmberTurdsShittyBedsheet]

Shannon should be removed from KZbin and other social media. She's not only a danger but others brought up if she stalked Emily for so long, what are the chances her and her husband have illegal nudes of Emily? Shannon isn't just a stalker, if the claim is true, she's a predator too.

[@giaparmer]

@@AmberTurdsShittyBedsheet absolutely agree, but KZbin doesn’t take ANYTHING seriously and they don’t care about keeping users safe !! It’s rly annoying me at this point.

[@AmberTurdsShittyBedsheet]

@@giaparmer I have to agree there. KZbin has gotten janky with care and it's sad to see. Swearing is banned, but not creepy problematic KZbinrs with track records of making people miserable. Ugh 😣.

[@Daaaanielle]

The fact that she had stuff from when this woman was THIRTEEN? That is enough for me to think she was in fact the stalker, not the one being stalked.

[@hwoods-kg1jf]

The fact she could describe Emily's childhood bedroom is terrifying enough....Creepshow really is the stalker in this situation!

[@madblackliam]

That also did it for me but was reinforced when it was found out that some screenshots were made years prior that was the ultimate nail in the coffin

[@shubs9532]

plus some of the posts haven't existed for years.

[@TaurusWitch29]

Yes, yep and yep! Frickin diabolical

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

It's just really weird how they try to claim that they didn't stalk Emily, but then provide an entire documentary length confession on actually stalking Emily for that many years.

[@alman8908]

@@lilithdvs13 Sure she did lmfao. Stop trying shannon

[@levantine1978]

@@lilithdvs13 Sure, the homeless lady paid for a PI. That's why all this went to the courts and Shannon proved her case beyond a shadow of a doubt. Oh wait. I feel bad for you being so gullible.

[@agentj1326]

"She's my stalker, that's why I have intel on her going back 30 years"

[@agentj1326]

@@lilithdvs13 SHE LIVES IN A CAR

[@levantine1978]

@@lilithdvs13 imagine being invested in internet drama and then castigating someone else for also having an opinion about it. Not quite the gotcha you think this is.

[@Beckymegan]

Emily: Shannon stalked and harassed me Shannon: yes but you did drugs and were mean when you were a teenager

[@kkuudandere]

Shannon: AND I have 10 years worth of useless obsessive notes to prove it! BUT!...I am not a stalker😑

[@sashawhyte7396]

That sounds like an accurate summary of this entire situation.

[@dash-x]

Basically 🥴😑

[@alman8908]

@@lilithdvs13 is? You mean was. Shannon, stop acting like emily was the only person who said some hateful and dumb shit as a teenager. We all did. Doesnt excuse to stalk someone for multiple years and save cp of them. Disgusting.

[@SavvyMuhon]

@@lilithdvs13 Shannon is that you?

[@brees3]

Quick call out I think many people (including Shannon) overlook: People who are abused are more susceptible to abuse in the future. So Shannon's point of "Well Emily has claimed multiple people abused her so she must be lying" is bogus. Abusers look for people who are vulnerable and who don't know any better. Especially if Emily was addicted to drugs, she would have appeared incredibly vulnerable to abusers.

[@proserpine3332]

Exactly! Most of the DV survivors I know have had multiple abusive partners, it’s awful.

[@halomorningstar967]

As a survivor of DV, let me tell you - until someone on the outside gently let me know what I was experiencing was abuse, after years of it from multiple partners, and I began the slow process of re-educating myself on what healthy relationships look like - it feels almost like abusers are working from a secret handbook, helping each other out in a way, brainwashing you so that you are even more vulnerable to your next partner, who gets in there even deeper thanks to the groundwork that has already been laid to mess up your thinking even further. Very few victims of DV are one-timers. Most of us spend years trying to learn who we can trust not to hurt us (partners AND friends) and sadly, many of us settle for abuse lite (after walking away from full-strength abuse) for all our lives because we don't know what else to do.

[@erismana2105]

Those who have been abused have a tendency to unknowingly look for abusers

[@SeraidenAF]

Like I knew someone I knew was bad news/to avoid when he question how some random person could be SA'ed multiple times/by multiple people. IDK maybe being abused from 4-8 years old is often a snowball to have worse happen to you. It thankfully was a wake up call to cut that person out of my life, though.

[@pyromaniacalmagpie3198]

The lovebombing stuff seems rrally intense sometimes and people want that affection so badly when they're already hurting.

[@Amanda-js9cw]

Shannon: “I’m not a stalker!” Also Shannon: “I found Emily’s obscure online diary from middle school. And I analyzed the walls in her old Instagram photos to determine when she was sober.”

[@jemiialii]

It just sounds ridiculous overall! 😒🤦🏻‍♀️

[@thylionheart]

The pen thing freaked me out the most. That’s so scary

[@minglifeng2862]

The ‘walls’ part gave me chills. This is absolutely stalker behaviour.

[@iridizousa8578]

Fr. Whenever she dwelled into Emily's past it was crystal clear to me that this was years and years of searching, speculating and stalking. I don't know why the hell she thought that using that information wouldn't backfire but I'm glad she used it

[@SoldMySoul45]

@@iridizousa8578 Especially since Emily herself said that a lot of information from her younger years had been deleted YEARS AGO. So Shannon had to have screenshot and document all of that information when it was still available. Shannon should have gone into private investigation instead of stalking Emily for a good portion of a goddamn decade.

[@Leesapus]

Creepshow: "I am not a stalker" Also Creepshow: "Here is her deviant art page that I have had saved from when I used to use dial up to get on the internet"

[@sandras2624]

Haha dial up, oh the memories

[@bailey7792]

@@sandras2624 Omfg.. my bestfriends mom was the last one to get wifi lmao. They had dial up for literal ever. Always yelling at us.. get off the internet im trying to use the phone!!!

[@UrbanAllegory]

"also I know what color the paint on her walls at her father's house is, and when she's not in her own home" 👀

[@joeypinkpants5203]

AHH the hellish soundtrack that accompanied dial up!! Combined with parents screaming to get off as they needed the phone free 😂😂 those were the days lol.

[@beautybaker8542]

@@bailey7792 how long did they have this dial up? Like what was more stunning, having the dial up connection or being dependent on a landline for phone needs?

[@Angryoyster]

This has nothing to do with anything but Emily is such a good communicator it’s so easy to follow and understand what she’s saying, Shannon’s video gave me a headache trying to understand and keep up with.

[@suki9268]

that's actually a very important point. Shannon is a liar and had to jumble everything to make a vague point. while Emily had a valid experience where she explained her story in the most precision she can. it's very telling where Shannon had to compensate for her lies lol

[@FreyaWarr]

100% agree. Watching both of Emily’s videos was pretty easy. It was a massive struggle getting through that thing Shannon made.

[@StephanieElayne]

Could not agree more

[@omgkthxbi]

because its full of lies. she basically gish gallopped for 2 hours

[@paigehall4830]

I think drug and alcohol recovery really helped me communicate better. I didn't blame people for my problems. I could confront people in a civil, appropriate way. That's what I heard when I heard her speak. I was thinking this girl is not lying when she says she's done the work

[@Bug_adventures]

There’s no doubt in my mind that Anthony has pitted Shannon against Emily for years. Men like that love to isolate you, by either telling all their friends how YOURE the controlling one, or making you so insecure and jealous with their constant comparing of you to other women they liked/are in their life that you genuinely turn into a shitty person after years of your self esteem being torn down by them. They make you do their “dirty work” and use you to get back at women they were interested in before you by making you think it was your idea, that the girl deserved it etc. Not saying Shannon isn’t to blame, but there’s clearly a puppet master here. Im sure a lot of what Shannon did was partially Anthony’s idea, or he encouraged it. Now shannon is exactly where he wants her: alone, no career, friends, or support. Only him. Complete control and no escape

[@hotsexyangel]

I totally agree. I hope people also blame him for his part in this mess and not just shannon. (Although, she is solely the one to blame for the whole lolcow situation)

[@visodette]

Well said, I'm with you on that one

[@Bug_adventures]

@@hotsexyangel I wonder if any of the lolcow posts were made by Anthony? If they live together, wouldn’t their IP address be the same?

[@d.on.in.a]

She is still incredibly mean and toxic and 100% enabled Anthony if that was the case. Just because someone is very good at persuading you, making you do things, there's always a point where your own morals make you snap back to reality and question your relationship with that toxic person. This didn't happen with Shannon. I don't think he "made" her do things, I think they're enabling each other.

[@Bug_adventures]

@@d.on.in.a I agree. No one’s holding a gun to her head making her do these things. Even though I think she’s manipulated, that in no way takes away from how completely awful she’s been, she’s still solely responsible for her actions and how she’s hurt others.

[@RubyBlueUwU]

Deviantart was an absolute hellscape during that time, it was full of violent bigotry and horrifically inappropriate content interspersed with teenagers just trying to post their doodles and writing. As someone who spent huge amounts of my formative years on there, the idea of using anything posted on that place as any kind of argument is genuinely hilarious to me.

[@Chikitew]

Ohhhh my god yeah. I’m younger than Emily and didn’t start using dA until about 2010 or so but that was still true for the website at the time. People using nazi imagery in their avatars and slurs were EVERYWHERE

[@KatieGrey]

Lol same! When she said deviantart journal I physically cringed thinking about my journal from ~2007 😱

[@averageanimefan519]

Deviantart was both a good place for kids to start practice their writing and drawings while also being a place full of creeps, bigots and scammers. It was a very weird place.

[@ghoulchan7525]

I mean DeviantArt is also home to a lot of stuff a 13 year old should not be casually stumbling upon. I can say that with ease. Since i was 13 when i made my account there.

[@ghostdagreat]

@@ghoulchan7525 I was 11, and i agree wholeheartedly. The fact so much of that fetish stuff was on the main/feature page... I'm lucky none of it ever affected me, but I'm sure other kids weren't so lucky.

[@alexisc3658]

The fact that Shannon is so fixated on Emily’s problematic posts from when she was a teenager but won’t even own up to her lolcow posts for a couple years ago is wild. It really says a lot about Shannon.

[@julesking1303]

One of the worst parts to me is that from what I remember, lolcow “outed” her as the poster because the account posted a picture of her sibling’s medical ID bracelet from recently being released from a psych ward. Which not only is a majorly fucked up thing to do to a mentally ill sibling, it was also doxxing someone who was not a public figure. IIRC that was the thing posted on the site that made the admins decide her anonymity needed to be revoked because it broke their guidelines.

[@rockcriedout7679]

I certainly don't think any KZbinr needs to explain why they took a break, but for some reason I am liking seeing so many creators actually taking a proper break and just coming back when they feel like it. It's healthy. It's good. I'm so sad to hear about the bad news you had to update us on, but I'm glad you haven't tried to force yourself to upload if everything is not fine. Consuming that content does not spark joy, and I bet that it doesn't spark joy for you to make it. My fellow Australian Stephanie Lange has just made a video with exactly the same experience: unexpected absence due to mammoth personal issues. It happens to everyone and you don't have to feel guilty for not explaining until you come back. I hope you're feeling a little better ❤️ Also fuck Creepshow Art.

[@yaminogame7805]

This, it always makes me sad that youtubers feel a need to explain mental health issues or anything else.

[@xryxix]

Yes absolutely self care is so much more important than people think. Hope things get better/easier 🍀🍀🍀

[@andria8279]

Thank you for that… I’m a small KZbinr and I’m starting to feel bad for taking a long break 😭

[@LoveLaw]

Yes I just watched Stephanies vid yesterday and the fact that she felt she had to explain herself with everything going on is nuts

[@brookeg5979]

Agreed. KZbinrs never get vacation days, they never get mental health holidays, they mostly don't take weekends and work way more than 8 hour days with editing etc, and don't often take breaks during those long days. As a "regular" worker at a 9-5 job, that would be outrageous if it was the norm....it's sad that it's expected of our favorite creators (and that youtube encourages it because "you have to put out a video every week/more if you can and you can't take a break or we'll drop you out of existence"). Fall or not, mental health or not, it's OK to take time off and work "regular" hours. You more than deserve and have earned it!

[@porkbuns_9568]

Emily’s trauma response makes a lot of sense to me, her flipping the story so that she’s in the abusers place might help her understand “why” someone would do those actions to her. In therapy I have done situational things where I would pretend to be another person in my life to get in their mindset so I could understand why they did what they did.

[@spectre9340]

Same. I've done that with abusive and toxic relationships and friendships. It would usually start off with me blaming myself for getting myself in those situations and then it would devolve to me humanizing my abusers to understand their mindset, and it would take a lot of self-respect to acknowledge that while they did what they did for a reason but it still doesn't excuse their actions.

[@jklroxmysox111]

@@xboxswitch9457 ????

[@Roxxie_Dawn]

I totally agree. I also think it has something to do with power and control as well. Emily's traumatic past highlights her lack of control over her life through multiple instances. She's been a victim in many instances. When she flipped the scenarios and told them from the abusers pov, not only was it her trying to understand what happened from their perspective, but she was also trying to control the situation. I have personally never done what she did with the story time videos, but lack of control in my youth has made me more adamant about the control I have now. And I've known people who were abused who took on their abusers persona because they wanted to feel like they had the power for once.

[@clairewillow6475]

It’s also a way to stay dissociated from what happened. Many of us feel like the trauma happened to us but we were outside of ourselves watching it happen to someone else

[@Cat_Woods]

"Emily’s trauma response makes a lot of sense to me, her flipping the story so that she’s in the abusers place..." Ok, yes, but in the privacy of your own home or in a therapist's office. I have the utmost compassion for Emily and all she's been through, but I do hope that one lesson people take from this is that exercises like "flipping the script" are not generally good material for telling stories about yourself on the internet. It's not just the possibility of a psycho stalker like Creepshow being out there. Other people could also take it as true - other victims who feel hurt by how harshly she treated her real life role, other perpetrators who feel justified by the story. I hope that people are learning that lesson from this.

[@Emily-ck9ji]

I was wondering if/when you'd be covering this. I was blown away when Shannon posted her "rebuttal". If anything, she actually confirmed A LOT of Emily's suspicions. How else would Shannon have photos, tweets, and videos that Emily posted and deleted starting from around the age of thirteen? It's insane. There's no doubt in MY mind that Shannon is guilty. I'm still a little disappointed that she never addressed the REAL reason she got cancelled - she was pretending to be other people and completely ripping apart and insulting her actual friends on another platform. She NEVER explained that's why she was actually cancelled. Emily's history of being stalked by Shannon came out after she started getting exposed.

[@witchingbrew3]

How the fuck are you everywhere. From alr to foodie beauty to youtube shorts to this 🤣😂

[@Emily-ck9ji]

@@witchingbrew3 Lol. Well, if I'm everywhere and you're seeing me - you're everywhere, too. Lol. The commentary space of KZbin is where I prefer to stick around. As for shorts .. well, they're short and don't take a lot of effort to search for. Lmao.

[@ZIMmissesyou]

Truly the only thing I enjoy about Shannon is that she's like "I can't be a stalker! Could a stalker have ALL OF THIS WEIRD PERSONAL INFORMATION ABOUT EMILY? HMM?" Like ma'am what. How unhinged can you be?

[@m.ts.3267]

@@ZIMmissesyou right! The whole time I kept thinking uhmmm how and why would you even have that information?

[@Blake1720]

@@witchingbrew3 leave our gorl alone! She can be where ever she wants to be! 🤣

[@britnicox3929]

I want to reiterate what Hannah Needs to Yell said: sober people can also be assaulted. Being intoxicated could make you less likely to understand what’s going on or be able to defend yourself but her not being intoxicated does not suddenly mean that Anthony did nothing. That whole argument is victim blaming, re-traumatizing and dismisses the experiences of many victims

[@thedarkcat7484]

She could have been going through withdrawal, too. She could have been tired or out of it or emotionally and/or mentally unsound in some other way. Just because she *might* not have been high at the time doesn't mean he didn't take advantage of her or hurt her. "Sober" doesn't mean "safe, sane, and consensual"

[@yuenmienyu]

it was actually disgusting for shannon to disprove emily's story and trauma by assuming, framing and lying about emily's r4pe story from small, potentionally-incorrect notes scattered amongst Emily's social media

[@savannah2179]

in order to believe shannon's narrative of emily, you have to simultaneously believe that emil was 100% honest all the time and always told the full unbiased story AND that everything emily says is a total lie and she should never be trusted, and that's just not possible. you can't have it both ways. shannon's video was an attempted character assassination, plain and simple... and it backfired in her face spectacularly. knowing her, she's probably not completely done with the internet yet, but we can hope she keeps that promise to never come back. better yet, we can hope her and anthony get into legal trouble somehow! at the end of the day, I hope emily is doing better now that her tormentor has nothing left to hurt her with.

[@thatgirlinautumn5995]

That’s a really good observation, actually! I got so much whiplash from trying to follow Shannon‘s side and couldn‘t really explain why, you hit the nail on the head

[@AmberTurdsShittyBedsheet]

Not to mention, the only people who would blatantly believe Shannon are arse-kissing fans of hers who believe everything that falls out of her mouth without question. I used to watch a lot of Shannon's videos, and used to be subscribed, but her vibe became weird after a while. Being a total outsider and not knowing about the whole Emily situation, I think Shannon looks like a psychopathic stalker.

[@minglifeng2862]

Maybe naming herself Cynthiana Washington this time or something

[@TaurusWitch29]

I typed this for another video and another comment, but I stand by it. Currently drafting a message for a few channels to check into it. Not to ruin anyones life, but to just verify. Im pretty sure that after shannon realized she couldnt come back, that she paid youtube advertising for a channel for anthony called dreading. Its a true crime channel and the voice sounds so much like anthony. And when i commented that on the first few videos when the channel came out, some chick who i think was Shannon wrote on my comment that it sounds nothing like anthony. I dont have the resources to figure it out, if its really him or not. But shannon said herself that she was making 20k a month and thats not a hard reach to pay for the advertising to get a channel to grow quickly so that they dont have a loss of income that extensive. Funnily enough, that channel opened the same day shannon posted that monstrosity. I obviously cant say for sure that its anthony, but it is a feeling i cant shake and dont know who can even help me with this.

[@mariedevan]

@@TaurusWitch29are there any videos were we can listen to Anthony’s voice?

[@DirtbikeGirlfriend]

Hear me out on this. I think the fact that Shannon is taking legal action against Emily proves that Amy does not exist. Serving Emily implies that she blames her exclusively for her loss of subs and income. If Shannon's asinine story about Amy spoofing her IP is in any way factual and Amy was doing the lolcow post, she would have been the one to set this all into motion, not Emily. And Shannon does make a "point" in her video to show that Emily is not Amy. She isn't going after Amy because she knows Amy isn't real and that she made those lolcow posts, therefore causing her own cancelation. Even then, she doesn't go after lolcow for exposing her despite claiming she's innocent of those accusations. There were two "people" or parties before Emily ever got involved. I think this is one reason Shannon didn't address the lolcow situation in her response. But I fully believe that by not holding Amy or lolcow accountable for what she accuses them of, she actually admitting that Amy is fabricated and she DID make those posts. Any investigation of such would lead directly back to her!

[@joeyjoe292]

This is such a great point!

[@Bibi-dd8hh]

OMFG YESSS

[@alman8908]

@@lilithdvs13 Court doesnt work like you think it does. You said in another comment that emily is a liar and therefore not credible. SO why is shannon now credible when you admitted that she does make up stories for entertainment, aka lying? LMAO you keep contradicting yourself shannon

[@DirtbikeGirlfriend]

@@lilithdvs13 you're not convincing anyone, Shannon. And as someone who has been the plaintiff in a defamation case, you couldnt be more wrong. But thanks for letting everyone know you're not letting go of that "she committed no actual crimes" defense. Because only criminals can be garbage humans, right? You have no one but yourself to blame for the way you're currently received. It wasn't lolcow or Emily or any of the other accusations it was how you responded to them that showed us your true colors.

[@SamuraiFluff]

@@lilithdvs13 ok boomer

[@CLE-EA]

Shannon proved that she and Anthony were consumed with thoughts of Emily and were stalking her when she showed the texts between her and Anthony where he said Emily thinks you hate her (but later changed it to Emily hates you …). Shannon’s says that Kevin (I think that was the friends name at the time) “hasn’t sent me anything in awhile”. Why would Kevin be sending anything to Shannon about Emily? Why are they keeping tabs on her?

[@metroskyes5974]

Emily did an interview with Swoop. She mentioned how it was bittersweet. She's sort of happy it happened because she's free. She doesn't have to worry about the impending blackmail anymore

[@angelita98gaby]

Yeah I’m kind of happy for her in that regard, she can feel safer now ❤️

[@yesterdayitrained]

Emily’s interview with Swoop - the entire video, was absolutely fantastic. If you are interested in any of this (or even if not), watch it! The most amazing part of the interview was how empathic Emily was toward Shannen. It blew me away. It’s clear Emily did the very hard work required to recover well. Her clarity and honesty came through. It was impressive and humbling.

[@kennyz4986]

I went to court with my friend who was getting a restraining order against her stalker ex, and he used stuff she posted on fb (that he was blocked on) and the fact that she kicked a 7 year old boy (when she was also 7) to prove she was a bad person and that somehow negated the insane stuff he was actively doing. Stalkers have a bunch of random “evidence” BECAUSE THEY ARE STALKERS. It’s literally only a tactic that a guilty person uses. Like why did he have screenshots of her social media? My other friend likes to say “when your attacks become ad hominem, you lose entirely, immediately” and that’s so true.

[@mallowmarsh4334]

Shannon shared the same hairstyle. Shannon is dating the same guy. Shannon used the same series title 'sketch book story time'. Shannon is an art/commentary channel. Shannon shares a similar art style... I don't care how far fetched this seems but I truly believe Shannon wants or at least wanted to be Emily.

[@TheMicheleWang]

Hannah! So sorry to hear about your fall. 🥺 Hope you heal quickly! And really sorry about Charles’s grandfather - sending condolences ❤️

[@Laura-vs6fs]

so nice seeing two amazing content creators support each other 💜

[@katharinaweber9413]

I think Shannon was intentionally trying to put Emily in a position where she had to discuss and disclose a lot of her personal trauma. Personally, I think that's what the point was. That is what abusive people do to their victims to cause them pain

[@Cheerstothewildones]

That’s an amazing point! Wow I never even thought of that it makes total sense

[@shiloh3412]

the best part about it is that emily was always open about her personal trauma throughout her channel, and always talked about it. all shannon did was shoot herself in the foot by giving her more evidence that confirms her experiences

[@jacquelinemichele]

Yes!!!!!

[@katharinaweber9413]

@@shiloh3412 it was definitely short sighted, to say the very least.

[@alman8908]

True maggots feast on pain

[@elmfao1824]

Shannon: "I'm not a stalker" Also Shannon: "She has bright pink walls in her childhood bedroom and this proves my theoretical timeline of her sobriety"

[@puppetpawss]

Shannon: I’m not a stalker Also Shannon: *Proceeds to name out a teacher, real name and all, that Emily had a crush on as a child even though it has no relevance to anything at all*

[@Shawnne86]

Shannon claims legal counsel... Yet never says "allegedly" to protect herself.... Proof no legal team exists, and that she's an absolute ham sandwich.

[@honoratagold]

My *guess* is that Shannon is referring to the C&D mill she paid to send Emily a C&D as her "legal team" to make the intro sound way scarier and more serious than it actually is. No competent lawyer would sign off on her posting such an incriminating video. (I suppose the other options would be: Shannon is being scammed by an incompetent lawyer (possible) or Shannon is ignoring or never directly sought legal advice in re: her video.)

[@spicehurls]

I’ve never heard someone called a ham sandwich as an insult. I wasn’t expecting to laugh in these comments but there you go. That was inspired. Thank you.

[@alexisrichards3566]

ham sandwich LMAO

[@AmberTurdsShittyBedsheet]

Hey, don't insult ham sammies - they serve a purpose in life.

[@CeCe-hg3jt]

😊😊

[@R83145]

Kind of interesting how Shannon thinks she can dig out accounts of Emily's, some which Emily herself probably doesn't even remember existed, and get away with making people believe she's not a stalker.

[@cori742]

she literally said "oh, you think i'm a stalker! well i'll disprove that by actually stalking you to prove i wasn't stalking you before!"

[@R83145]

@@cori742 Stalker logic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@deathray2242]

Just a note: when Shannon claimed to also have been stalked she said she would give this person the name „Amy“ as an alias to obscure their identity. However the screenshots she showed in her video had the supposed stalker referring to themselves as „Amy“. So that whole story doesn‘t add up either.

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

That’s a really good point

[@JulesKM]

Shannon uses a tactic called the Gish Gallop -- which is something politicians are known to use as well. It's a technique in which a person in an argument throws out an excessive amount of "facts" very quickly and very jumbled, with no truth or proof behind them. The idea is to confuse your opponent so much that they don't know how to respond. Shannon is in the wrong line of work. She'd be a great politician.

[@yuenmienyu]

it's funny how she claims multiple times throughout her response that "we didn't find evidence, "we believed a stalking allegation against [Shannon] with no evidence", and that "we're too lazy to scroll down an Instagram page to fact check her". like come on - really grasping at the strings now. Emily has valid proof, whereas yours is toxic Facebook posts from ten years ago. Shannon needs to get over herself and stop gaslighting lmao

[@rcolley26]

Emily’s addiction timeline/story is so familiar to me because it’s very similar to mine. I literally was the poster-girl for sobriety and 12-step groups all the while I was secretly using still. I had lied about my clean date and other stuff because you don’t want to be judged or feel more like crap than you already do. I’m almost 6 years out of active addiction now and I’m open and honest but it took a long time.

[@hershelroswell]

dunno how much this means from some rando on the internet, but i'm glad you're doing better now. addiction is an absolute bastard

[@halomorningstar967]

I lied about my sober date too (I felt if I was honest I would lose everything good I had left in my life) and we are DEFINITELY not alone in doing that. Especially if you are achievement-oriented, and place a lot of importance on being successful, competent, and trustworthy. It's ironic that the desire to be dependable and trustworthy would cause so many people to lie and risk being the worst kinds of undependable, but that's perfectionism for you. Eta: btw often we aren't wrong to think that the cost of being open about our addiction is way too high. There is such a stigma on addiction, even more if you are female, that honesty is not always as wonderful as its made out to be. It's fine to keep your business between yourself, God, and the professionals.

[@coolkarla123]

Same I’m sober but barely and i hate myself for lying but I do it

[@fightvale57]

We all lie about our clean date until we don't have to. I promise you're not alone. I have no resolution beyond that

[@fightvale57]

@@coolkarla123 same,I wish you the best honey

[@newyorkshottestclub13]

One thing Hannah brought up that I think is really important to note: Shannon's emphasis on presenting her accusations as fact. That has *always* been a key factor in Shannon's videos; her conviction. She has *always* presented *everything* she says as fact, and she built her channel on the premise that sheer confidence = truth. imo it's as good a time as any for the community as a whole to develop more discerning standards when it comes to commentary channels, especially those that are monetized.

[@yuenmienyu]

shannon always gave me a bad vibe with her attempt of a reassuring, woke, and morally-good attitude. I'm lgbtq+ but I hate the way she gave attention to people who were so obviously ragebaiting our community, (ie. saying clearly anti-queer things to trigger off people) and her overall aggressiveness. she so obviously didn't care. i expected and wasn't surprised when she was exposed for being homophobic and transphobic, but i didn't expect allegations of stalking and other serious crimes.

[@newyorkshottestclub13]

@@yuenmienyu Totally understandable - I mean, who would?

[@fauna5328]

@@yuenmienyu I've said this in other videos but I have NEVER liked Shannon's videos I'd click on her videos because the titles were engaging but I found myself clicking the +10 second button over and over again trying to get to the point and it was just her YELLING the whole time. Like just CONSTANT bad vibes and clickbait overly emotional shit.

[@gryma1313]

Regarding the split orange-black hair situation, I have a very interesting take on it... One of by best friend's closest friend at the time was obsessed with her boyfriend's close (female) friend. So much so, anytime we went to a cafe or any other public place, she would CONSTANTLY refresh this person's feed, mock ANYTHING she would do (from the college she went to, to the perfume she would use) and then she would buy HER EXACT SAME PHONE CASE, PERFUME, COAT, would cut her hair just like her, would adapt her own Twitter bio to that person's, pose like her on the pictures and would basically talk sh*t behind her. One day, this "copied/impersonated" person tweeted and said "I feel sorry for the losers that are jealous of their boyfriends' close friends and ask them to cut them off their lives". When she saw this tweet, she CRIED like mad crazy and then confessed to my best friend that "she had no personality of her own, she had no hobbies, interests, sense of style, basically no nothing". So my guess is, if someone close to Shannon digged deeper into her pictures/stories/interests etc, there might be a high possibility that she was copying Emily in terms of every single thigh she liked/did/thought etc. So this orange-black hair is not a far fetch Hannah, I am pretty sure that's only the surface of a huge iceberg... This would explain why she flat-out stole the title of Emily's sketchbook story time, her way of filming KZbin videos, pretending to care about mental health, being sensitive and quote on quote "woke" while leaving horrible transphobic comments on lolcow because she was not only imitating Emily in terms of her physical appearance, but also revolving her whole (internet) persona around one main thing on her mind: "What would Emily do in this situation? What would Emily say now? What does Emily think about this mental health issue?" I know that this creates a sense of distrust for you because if someone is capable of impersonating someone and hiding their real thoughts, how are you supposed to trust to let new people into your life, especially KZbin/parasocial-based friends? But be at ease, those people are horrible when it comes to covering their tracks. If you had visited her in like her own house or hang out with her more than once, you'd at one point find her either talking about Emily in a bad way or stalking her while being around you. Also people like these are always extremely tentative when it comes to collaborating in a group setting, they get easily irritated and want things to be in the way they want, I assume you never click with people like these so you don't have nothing to worry about. Love you, and I enjoy your podcast as well ❤️❤️❤️

[@minglifeng2862]

Basically everyone suspects that she started a KZbin channel to copy Emily already, but now thinking about it maybe she started doing music and drawing to copy Emily too?

[@jasminv8653]

No amount of mulling it over will ever make it make sense to me but yes, I was also the target of a chick like this. She repeatedly cried to me about her envy or alternatively cattily fought me on all my hobbies from choir to art and yoga to hiking, acting like i was competing against her just by doing something on my own (we lived in different cities)... wanted to monitor and control whatever shows i watched or books i read or places i went to or people i met... Started to talk and write the way I do online (or at the least the way she interpreted my mannerisms)... Finally she accused me of 'Conspiring against her' (her words) just by having other friends??? Apparentlyshe also made me the topic of her therapist's sessions. When I cut her off completely and blocked her on all social medias she spent ten months making sockpuppet accounts trying to get to me. So as insane as it sounds, people like that really do exist. If I were religious I'd genuinely believe it to be a demonic possession of some sort. Alas Ive gotta accept that some people are just twisted as people.

[@gryma1313]

@@jasminv8653 I am so sorry this happened to you, I hope you are okay. Please make sure to protect yourself both physically and emotionally from this person, they need to receive help because this is a fully blown personality disorder.

[@TracyD2]

@@jasminv8653 Whoa that is insane. I hope it’s over for you.

[@anondecepticon]

The friend of your friend may have had a personality disorder, possibly Borderline. Could’ve been some other reason too, e.g. depression, but that’s what your description of them sounded like to me.

[@thisisside01]

When it comes down to it, this is just a really sad case of what can happen when someone with antisocial behavioral patterns gets jealous. I can’t believe how far Shannon was willing to go to defend Anthony and how unwilling she is to hold him accountable for the things he’s done, even when her own screenshots prove that he’s been pitting her against Emily for years. It’s so sad that after everything that has happened, she still loves him more than she loves herself.

[@leahpawlowski]

Honestly I feel like this goes beyond anthony, since Emily was always very public with her social media (including her names or variations or her name in usernames, personal profile photo) that Shannon stumbled upon emily long before she met anthony, probably fueled an inital obsession but only started to stalk her when she got with him because it was funny to Anthony to see Emily be genuinely scared and freaked out. I wouldn't be surprised if Shannon started working at Anthony's job to become closer to him and by association Emily. It seems farfetched but when Shannon went as deep as to analyze the color of Emily's walls as a child, anything is possible

[@belvedere6368]

I genuinely don't understand how Shannon could not recognize how bad it looks for her to have all of this information/these posts that date back to Emily's childhood. From my perspective it felt like all she accomplished was further confirming in my mind that she has been stalking Emily. Overall, I feel that a defense that only aims to discredit the alleged victim is an incredibly weak defense.

[@Sam_dea]

This!!! “I’m not a stalker! I just know about everything she’s ever posted and done and the colors of her bedroom walls in her parents houses and how many times she’s ever lied or exaggerated on the internet…. But Emily is the bad one!! Look at all my evidence!”

[@lunacouer]

This is what happens when the only person giving you feedback is the one who wants to torture his ex-gf. But, I don't think her goal was ever to defend herself. It was a hit piece. They were hoping to shame and embarrass Emily. And they did...for about one second. Emily said on Swoop's doc that they actually gave her the biggest gift ever, because now they have nothing to hold over her. She's free. So, a backfire of biblical proportions. Makes me wonder though if Anthony's gonna dump Shannon now, since he has no more use for her. The game is over and the gravy train's dried up. People like this tend to devalue and discard people after they've gotten what they wanted. I know that has nothing to do with any of this. Just that I've seen this dynamic up-close and personal.

[@connorm1181]

that role reversal thing i understand so well. Whenever I discuss the abuse i endured the dialogue is almost always "well yeah because I was sooo (insert self deprication), obviously ya know i had to be punished". Its because my brain is putting the abuser's thought process into my head and presenting it as "logical" so I can then in turn help myself learn how WRONG that person was. It's such a strange phenomena but when I heard you bring it up about EmilyArtful I COMPLETELY understand. gahh

[@spectre9340]

Same here! It starts out with "I was being like this so of course they had to do this to me". Then the smidgen of self-respect I had for myself would tell me "No, that doesn't excuse what happened. They're still wrong for doing that to you"

[@Akursedtime]

I think one of the biggest problem was that Shannon had no empathy to Emily. A normal person would understand, okay Emily had a troubled past and most would say, I hope she is doing better now. And with the stalking allegations, Shannon did not even deny it. She just hammered on about how Emily is a terrible person. But without saying, I did not stalk her and I hope Emily can resolve this matter, somehow and I will do everything I can to show her I did not harass or stalk her. All her video did was just to desperately cling to Emily and how she is a bad person. How she went against tipster showed her true colors too. She should have said to Tipster, Anthony and I are handling this privately so he did not want his name to be out there right now. But instead she ranted about Tipster in the original doc and in the video. Just to add. I do think Anthony is playing a massive role in this. He is basically the reason why Emily is being stalked and why Shannon devotedly protects him. He enjoys this attention.

[@KryaDiere]

This was what I was telling my sister too. All she had to do was deny the allegations (since she's innocent, right?). Her behavior tells me more than what Emily ever needed to. My family was harassed by a neighbour for about 6 years (before we gave up and moved away) and when we reported her to the police she did the same thing as Shannon. She said our cats ate her plants (not true, my cats never go out) etcetc instead of denying she did all the harassment lol

[@kayladupuis8610]

Emily's trauma response makes a ton of sense to me. When you're suffocated by guilt & shame it's incredibly hard to be straight up honest

[@OtherBlueFae]

Re: Shannon’s sibling- if I remember correctly, they weren’t just making claims about Shannon on Twitter. Shannon doxxed them on lolcow, which was one of the things that prompted the mods to step in and expose Shannon’s post history because doxxing is also against the community guidelines.

[@kaialexander6806]

On the topic of Emily retelling trauma from a different perspective, this actually makes perfect sense as a response to trauma. One of the major responses to trauma is actually reliving it, both voluntarily and involuntarily. You have things like PTSD nightmares and flashbacks, and you also have fantasising about it going a different way. A lot of us have fantasised about "being saved" in traumatic moments where we change what happened. It makes perfect sense for Emily to retell the trauma from a different perspective as a way to process and heal from trauma.

[@KaylinKatastrophic]

As a recovering addict from opiates and H (3 years clean!), I NEVER posted about my addiction. I was addicted for over 10 years, and I never once even alluded to being an addict on social media. It wasn't until I was getting sober that I said anything about it. So Shannon going off of social media for sobriety in Emily is so biased and incorrect. It's not even close to a usable argument. It's very laughable.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Yeah, I posted about my addiction once on Facebook - that I was going to rehab. Which I only did because it happened to be on my birthday, and I found it hilarious that the day I started living at the rehab just happened to be my birthday. So it was more a birthday post lol.

[@TaurusWitch29]

I never told a soul on social media about my drug use, I had family on there and hid it from everyone. I couldn't stop scoffing and guffawing when I heard about what Shannon said. I was a functioning addict, I hid it from literally everybody and no one knew how bad it was for years. And then when I got on suboxone, no one knew about it for years then either. I was just like omg what a tool!? People can exist without telling the world their biggest shame? Like WUT

[@sleepy827]

With Emily sharing her location: Could it be that she wanted people to have a timelime of where she was, in case something was to happen to her? Like, if she went missing, police would have an idea of where she last was and use the CCTV footage of the area for clues? Just a thought

[@DiMagnolia]

Yeah my sister and I have been sharing our locations with each other for years, ever since I got SAed. We also use the app called noonlight when one of us is out alone at night.

[@princesspopsicle_]

Hannah it’s 2:30am, if you think I’m about to stay up and watch this whole video you’re absolutely right

[@kevinsecretplace4546]

"I definitely did not stalk Emily for many years and to prove that, I have over a decade worth of her internet presence archived and cataloged (including very, very obscure accounts from when she was a young child)"

[@antoinelk00]

I hope your recovery goes swell Smokey, we are hoping that you recover But back to the Creepshow Art situation, this shit is so disgusting, I hope Emily gets peace and I mean COMPLETE peace. Because Shannon is making her life Hell and Emily didn’t deserve this.

[@lucymaerob]

idk who emily is, i’m just watching this while doing my makeup. but in therapy, my psychologist actually suggested i tell her my trauma from the perspective of the person that caused the trauma. that has now become one of the easiest ways for me to talk about my trauma so i wouldn’t be surprised if that was the truth.

[@mhioca7279]

Pink looks amazing on you!!! Long videos are my favorites, having a self care night and this will be perfect to watch ❤️ Thank you Hannah and I hope your mental and physical health becomes more manageable soon!! All my love to you and Charles

[@Cangi92]

As someone who has a toxic friend like this, the whole "oh don't feel the need to defend me" was absolutely her way of saying "but really you should go out and defend me". People like that will always deny they need or want support while secretly hoping their friends can read their minds and know what they really want.

[@AntiArmedWierdo]

I also think that Emily sharing her location could speak to someone who is terrified of something happening to her and is leaving a digital breadcrumb trail so people could figure out what happened if something did happen to her.

[@natalierose13]

The thing that kills me is that Emily had to relive all of this to dig up receipts and proof that Shannon was lying. I know that Emily said her most recent video that it was kind of a good thing because she got to kind of put her own timeline together and figure things out for herself, but I still thinks it was disgusting and so horrible that she had to relive all this trauma again just because Shannon is a child. Really brutal.

[@MargyGelato]

imagine being shannon and after all is said and done literally every single person is saying "Good luck emily, I sincerely hope you can move on and heal after this!

[@moonbeams4999]

She took aim and attempted to fire at Emily's character but the charge exploded right back at Shannon's career lmfao

[@HobbitzMoth23]

I actually adore this set up, the cushions look so comfy and welcoming. So sorry to hear you're going through so much sweet, love that you're back but I hope you haven't been being too hard on yourself to get back on the horse 🐎 just take your time and let your strength of mind (and body) come back to in its own way *hug*

[@caradanellemcclintock8178]

And her hair and makeup are on point with a tweeked shoulder I couldnt do that with a perfectly good shoulder. Sis has skills

[@EULFORS]

I was also stalked over a number of years by an ex both online and irl, which didn’t really stop until I moved abroad, and I can definitely relate to so much of Emily’s behavior. Both in the way she would let her guard down at times but also in how she talks to them in text convos during the times it was happening. You start to become really desperate to make it stop and that often includes trying to remain friendly or pretending to believe it’s not them or being very calm and understanding during confrontations. Watching all of this unfold has been so sad and frustrating and I just really hope that she’ll finally be allowed to move on/process things in peace, without fear of retaliation or more harassment, and leave all of this in the past.

[@leahpawlowski]

Multiple people forget that flight or fright also includes freeze or fawn. Fawn being doing anything you can do to be pleasant to avoid any conflict which is what you and Emily did as a biological response to keep yourself safe. Im so sorry that happened to you I hope you've had the chance to start healing and maybe seek therapy 💗

[@olhydra]

My theory about why she went so hard after Tipster, is that Tipster was the only one I know of that found Anthony’s renamed youtube channel and asked him why he deleted everything. My speculation is that either Anthony wrote the part about Tipster, OR he was so mad about it that he blew up on Shannon about it, who then directed the anger back at Tipster in her video script.

[@Biogrrrl]

That's a good point

[@Who-Dunnit]

Im thinking the second option, cuz the vibe of the tirade was very "highschool bully bitch" and that's more up Shannon's alley.

[@lunacouer]

I agree. That crazy focus on his d**k made me think "Oh, that's Anthony", lol. There was also something in the script about how Tipster's videos were unoriginal or uninspired or something, and Anthony mentioned something about that in his video about why they left San Jose. It was that typical failed artist thing of blaming their failure on how unoriginal the "scene" is, acting as if they're too good for it all. Trying to dig at Tipster by focusing on his videos made me think, again, "Oh, that's Anthony". I mean, it's not like Shannon's videos were exactly inspired or original, lol. Maybe not, but it all reminded me of the little we know about Anthony.

[@rachaelharrison1257]

Condolences on the loss of Charles' grandfather, and I hope you feel better mentally and physically x

[@ohitsclemenTIME]

When Shannon is talking about her stalker Amy, she says she made up the name Amy to protect the person's identity but then brings up screenshots of emails where the name says Amy. It seems that Shannon forgot her own lie since the screenshots weren't edited

[@arsonvamp]

shannon’s entire video did nothing but prove emily right lmao. the fact that she has all of these screenshots dating back to when emily was 13 and put together some weird timeline of emily’s addiction just proves that she is a stalker. and her defence of her husband hinging on her viewers not being able to subtract 3 from 6 is… choices were made. also the fact that shannon’s entire gig is trying to come off as being morally superior when she’s not only a big fan of throwing around homophobic, transphobic and ableist slurs, but refuses to even acknowledge, let alone deny, any of it is very funny to me.

[@jifij89]

i don’t know any of the people involved in the story at all, never heard of them all apart from this whole thing. but this persons behaviour is exactly like the online stalkers i had. they once went through my instagram and made an excel spreadsheet attempting to add up all the different nail polishes i wore over like, a 3 year period. they then used this spreadsheet to try and ‘prove’ that i was lying about being disabled and working class because i could afford nail polish…it was absolutely insane. and yet i was supposedly the weird one in the situation that deserved merciless harassment lol

[@jifij89]

just saw she was on lolcow, checks out

[@redtailarts101]

You gotta love how Shannon's entire case for Emily being a liar rests on the idea that Emily couldn't have possibly lied about her sobriety out of shame because Emily would never lie.

[@LynWildfire]

Found this video by accident, but am very glad I did. I suffer from major ptsd from a very long string of events when I was younger. I am working through everything, but I wanted to say Thank You! One of my responses and coping mechanisms while recounting events is to put myself in the opposite role. It's not pleasant for most recounts, but it does help. I also know that my use, and events, are nothing like Emily's, and we more than likely use the method differently. Personally, it makes me feel a whole lot smaller than I felt being in my own role. There is no confidence boost for me, no powerful feeling of being in the aggressors shoes.... However, the method of switching from victim to aggressor perspective helps me really really strongly hit the conclusion that there is no answer to the question "Why?" that would validate anything I had gone through. My aggressors had no reason that I can fathom for the abuse I went through. So, thank you for saying that it's not a false way to work through trauma.

[@sunnysday59]

Honey I bet your comments will be filled with people telling you not to apologize and they're right. Please just take care of yourself and rest and heal. I am so sorry for the loss of your husband's grandfather and I am sorry you took a tumble. That sounds so painful. Sending careful hugs and also, Happy Valentine's Day. :)

[@lulusilverio]

i missed you, hannah !! i live alone and i mainly watch your videos while studying so i don’t feel alone!!!! thank you for posting another video!

[@paitynstew]

this is such a cute comment:’) i’ve missed her so much too!

[@mesocylon]

I’ll be 10 months sober on the 27th. Thank you for calling Shannon out on using Emily’s addiction against her. Just another lowdown cowardly act among the many.

[@daniellewebb3100]

Congratulations on your sobriety! I’ve got 6 years clean time and I love seeing other people find freedom from addiction! Keep up the good work!

[@Tealflie]

just in regards to coping mechanisms to trauma, i just wanted to add my own experience to the pot: i personally processed my own trauma from when i was 13 by obsessively reading fiction that dealt with the issue from the abuser’s perspective, i think so that i could try and understand their point of view and empathise with them - and that’s the way i coped, bc if i didn’t understand them and what might have led to them doing the things they did, then i couldn’t process what they had done to me. it also helped me to read stories in the perspective of the abuser where they would go through complex guilt over what they’d done, bc it sort of gave me the feeling of closure and admittance of wrongdoing that i never got in real life. that was extremely important and formative to me moving past my trauma, so i can really understand why emily flipped the perspective in some of her storytimes, and i absolutely hate the idea of anyone policing trauma responses.

[@abookishmess]

I will say I can see how it would be easier to explain being a victim in the flipped narrative. it's easier to disassociate as well as a reminder that this person was at fault and did very deliberate things to harm you. I think it's a interesting way to help forgive yourself if you look at it that way.

[@smurph13]

Shannon's video was so utterly insane. Especially because a lot of her "evidence" really isn't proof at all but merely Shannon drawing her own conclusions from social media posts alone - many of which are a huge stretch, or even outright fabricated. Also I like how evidently to Shannon, Anthony's word alone is solid enough proof. He said he didn't do these things, so that settles that. Which is absolutely disgusting considering she posited herself frequently and regularly as an advocate/ally for victims of abuse, to believe victims. The hypocrisy is astounding.

[@jonathanthousand4077]

I was so excited to see you uploaded! I literally just slipped and fell down the icy hill of a driveway behind my building this morning. My left side is currently fucked as well. We can be fall besties. Sending you internet hugs and hope you recover quickly!

[@MxchiefMaykr]

Great video, as always! Not sure if you're aware, as Shannon constantly intentionally misgenders them, but both her sibling Jem and her former friend Loki Coulter/coultergeist (formerly Kevin) are non binary and use they/them not she/her or he/him. The way Shannon refuses to use their correct pronouns in the video or google doc has meant that a lot of people covering this situation have unintentionally misgendered them as well, and I feel like this just adds further proof that the lolcow posts were made by Shannon

[@MinatheRaichu]

Love your video Hannah, but as a quick lil reminder, Shannon has a sibling. Back when they spoke out, they clarified that they identify as nonbinary, Shannon just continually misgenders them. The same can be said about the other individual who came out, they also identify as nonbinary and Shannon uses their deadname. I'm not yelling at you about it, I know that with Shannon's video being the most recent info in our minds it can be easy to just go with those pronouns. I hope your foot recovers fully and am very sorry for your loss. Edit: Pin is now up. Ladies, Gentlemen, and Distinguished Guests, we got 'em.

[@leeisanerd8332]

Yeah, I hope it was a honest mistake on Smokey's part! Shannon just misgendered them, and its causing so many other people are also now :(

[@olhydra]

Thanks for saying this!

[@alyduran2097]

It honestly makes you realize how far someone’s ignorance go go in affecting others. Super good point to make! This is why I like scrolling the comments on Hannah’s videos, most people here are great souls

[@varg6663]

Liking and replying so this hopefully gets bumped up in the comments section more (I think that's how that works???)

[@Vonn_Loren]

See, I was confused! I knew about Shannon's sibling and I was like... is this another person being talked about? But Shannon being a misgendering little shit explains everything.

[@MxWh1sp3r]

Agree on everything! One small detail though: Shannon's sibling has come out as nonbinary and I believe their pronouns are they/them instead of she/her and being their "sister". At least that's what I know last time I checked, but otherwise great video as always Hannah! You always hit the nail in the head to me when it comes to topics like these

[@JenneeAmell]

This was my point but glad to see someone else noticed it as well.

[@tayngerine7044]

I just found your youtube channel and have been binging literally all weekend. I love your channel and your videos, your personality is very kind and comforting and refreshing. I wish you and your family health, happiness, and stability.

[@triciam4798]

“Very close tabs”= Stalking/bullying Let’s not forget that Shannon made Emily re-live such traumatic points in her life, such as Anthony SAing her. I cannot imagine how proving that this happened to her set her healing process back 😔😔. I really feel for Emily and I am so sorry this happened to her. Kind of reminds me of what Gabbie Hanna did to Jessie Smiles 😳😳😳. Thanks for covering this, and I hope for your speedy recovery

[@luluscaglione]

I'm so sorry about the news and wish you a good recovery ❤️ But let me say this Smokey: "I'm so sorry for the non aesthetic background" Also smokey: beautiful comfy seat, fun sparkly trowpillow, beautiful work of art behind her as her background

[@manifestationsofasort]

I should also mention that the emails you talk about at about 59:00 are signed off as "Amy" while Shannon has stated multiple times, including in the community post talking about Lolcow, that Amy is not the real name of the person who stalked her and she changed their name to protect their privacy. So why are the emails signed off as Amy? And why would she have emails from 2006?

[@rebeccakomen5011]

My candle of the day is "The Ritual of Sakura - Rituals". Thank you for the update, I was wondering where you were, my condolences to you and Charles. Looking forward to this century long video, and all the others to come.

[@syntheticteapot]

The fact that Emily believed Shannon was projecting and role reversing about the "Amy" stalker video in the same way Emily was doing specifically regarding the video about dating a 13 year old makes complete sense now. I do believe she was right on the money about that detail and it's crazy to think about in hindsight of everything that's transpired. Even Shannon's shit talk on lolcow and how she hinted that "someone" was archiving all of Emily's old videos despite the community's indifference and disregard of Emily as much of a lolcow worth paying attention to at the time really speaks volumes about how sloppy and vengeful she really was and still is. Her video script reads like a lolcow screed of someone vehemently trying to defend themselves by pointing at others. Jesus she needs some help.

[@xcharrachaanx]

I’ve been on edge waiting for one of your uploads & we’re blessed with an hour long special!🥺🥰 Love you Hannah!💗

[@lauravlife]

Highly recommend watching both of her podcasts too if you don't already. Hannah is such a good comfort-person, she's like my emotional support youtuber 😂

[@EmmaThorneVideos]

We LOVE a 12000 year long video from Smokey Glow 🥰 Good luck with your recovery! Can't wait for an avalanche of new content

[@ash-is-napping]

I find it amusing that all of this started effectively because Shannon was being a “bad friend”. Yes, Shannon doxxed her sibling, but how many people were outraged about that? People were upset because their favs were upset. I personally don’t give a shit about her bad mouthing her friends. It’s the Emily stuff that makes my blood boil. I’ve had a stalker and it’s the most horrible feeling, a deep feeling of dread that never leaves you. I’ve been upset that people might tear apart Emily’s video but this is not that, thanks Hannah. I’m so happy Emily has taken her power back.

[@abundantlove2194]

As per usual you are simply *the best* at these deep dive breakdowns. I always appreciate your no nonsense input. Hope your ankle heals quickly and your whole left side starts to cooperate with you!💜💜💜

[@eduqloo]

I read the title and immediately said to myself "oh no" anyway, I hope you have a speedy recovery and send all the love to charles and you 🥰

[@jellogirl2010]

I would like to remind Shannon - to the point of Emily sharing stuff - we weren't always cautious with how and who we shared information with about where we were all hanging out up until a few years ago. We were even encouraged to like... check in at places, etc. it's so crazy that she's like this.

[@manuela1986]

I am here for this. I knew nothing about this people. One day I basicaly ran out of your videos to binge, so I picked one of the older on this topic and here I am now 😃 You and SWOOP are my favorite channels when it comes to current (problematic) internet stuff/drama. I love the style of your videos, how you present the topic, even the speakin 'style', I dont know how to put it ♥️😄 Love the hair in this video too ♥️

[@jemmpark]

Incredibly thorough video! The point you made about being young and growing up during a time where we didn't realize the internet would be forever is so true. It's truly upsetting that people will judge others on the content they posted when they were children. When I went to university and got my first job I started googling myself and sweating because I know that I interacted with shady people online and look back and feel incredibly unsafe about the stuff I was posting. What you did when you were 13 on the Internet should not be how we judge each other when we're 20 or 30.

[@deltawhiskey1998]

The thing with the college friend: correct me if I’m wrong but at this point in her life (when Shannon was in college) but isn’t Shannon’s story that she didn’t know who Emily was, or at least didn’t know much about her? So how is that if that’s the case, how was it that she was close friends with someone whom she says was actually the one who was obsessed with Emily, and was pretty much stalking her. Like how do you know that but don’t really know who Emily is? Or why not mention it to Emily when Emily contacted her about the stalking when she was suggesting others that it could be?! Like how are you that aware of the level of obsession that a close friend has with someone but then you’re also saying that you barely know the person, or at least didn’t really know them at the time? I know if someone came to me accusing me of stalking them & I actually knew someone who had stalked them & id seen evidence of that through my friendship with them I’d be like - fck no, I’m not. But fyi , my friend that I think is toxic af that I don’t hang out with at all anymore was totally obsessed with you back in the day. ALSO - on that subject, Shanthony spends a significant portion of the video trying to point finger at different communities that could have been involved in Emily’s harassment but somehow only mentions that she had first hand knowledge of someone who was “the one who actually watched Emily’s videos and was interested in Emily, not me!” when she needs to as a way to deflect from her college friends accusations. ALSO, ALSO - if I had a friend who was super obsessed or stanning, or whatever the case of someone who was my boyfriends ex, it would absolutely have been a topic of conversation. Unless of course we’re back at the fact that Shannon didn’t really know much about Emily etc

[@ZPicard]

Don’t apologize about the set up being different and everything. Do what you need to get better and feel better! I hope you heal quickly!

[@samanthakavanagh7034]

What amazing timing. Just got the baby back to sleep & mama needs something to watch! I hope you are feeling better 💙

[@jodiekelly1355]

When someone has an addiction or is edging towards it, one of the things that a lot of addicts go through is the denial stage. A lot of the time when someone is struggling addiction aswell, they try to convince others and also themselves that they don't have an addiction so it makes complete sense that there's not a specific timeline. Also in terms of someone suffering abuse, role reversal is actually a way of distancing yourself from the situation and making it easier to talk about so that also makes sense! I don't know who's telling the truth and honestly I don't know either of them but I think to scrutinise someone on their drug addiction or trauma is a disgusting thing to do without hard evidence that the person is being dishonest.

[@ripley4884]

fuck it, no sleeping, just new smokey glow video. hope your ankle heals quickly & that the memory of charles’ grandfather will be a blessing through the pain. 💕

[@TiredKnitter]

Your look today is so soft and pink and pretty. I'm so glad you're able to do a little more! Please give yourself permission to rest as much as you need to, too - healing is hard work!

[@dimanatzonova4624]

You can’t believe how grateful I am for this video! I’ve been struggling lately but you always cheer me up so thank you 💛

[@aname4399]

never apologize for accommodating your comfort hannah!! if you need to film in another location because of pain, or just because youre tired and want to do it there, that's your perogative. sending love + well wishes, glad to see you cover this. hope you and charles are able to work through the loss as peacefully as possible

[@63electricmayhem]

I've been struggling lately too. I'm always 100% supportive of any KZbinr who takes a break--this job seems like it really takes a toll and I hope you and everyone keep taking breaks (as long and as often) when you need them. On the video--I only learned about all of this yesterday and have fallen down such a rabbit hole, it's insane.

[@emilydurkee8664]

When I first looked at the thumbnail timestamp I thought it was just 18 minutes, and I was impressed you kept it so concise lol I'm really glad for the longer video though, I've followed this "drama" from the beginning and it's fun to hear your take. I'm so sorry about the loss of your husband's grandfather and to hear you got hurt! That's awful! I'm glad you took the time you needed ❤️

[@Kayizcray]

fyi Hannah, this is a small point, but I believe I heard from a couple places that Shannon's sibling is actually nonbinary, though Shannon constantly misgenders them. (Not a surprise of course 🙃) Barely a blip on the radar of this video and its very important relatively unrelated topics, but just wanted to correct! Good to see you back and I hope your healing process is going well!!

[@KendrykWynn13]

Also, Loki Coulter (the college friend) also uses they/them pronouns and Shannon constantly misgenders and deadnames them throughout her video

[@anomalyahblack1515]

I only recently found your channel. Girl, I could listen to you forever. You speak so eloquently and make very fair arguments. Music to my ears 🖤

[@lotusthemermaid]

It's really fortunate that Emily can afford therapy because if she hadn't been actively seeking it when all of this happened, I can't imagine how she could've come out of this sane.

[@Moni31909]

Hey Smokey Glow! Rewatching so many of your videos, I love your dialogue. Also I know you're going through some things and just wanted to let you know your audience is still here waiting patiently for your comeback. Ps. I think pink if your color, stunning 💞

[@mikotomisaka7400]

I’m so sorry to hear about Charles’ grandfather as well as your injuries! I hope that in the next few weeks you all will be allowed the time to heal and recuperate. I’m super excited to see all your videos though!

[@coolbeans4885]

I love the set up - looks so cosy. Reminds me of Kendal raes set up - it’s like we are just chilling together. I hope your recovery both mentally and physically goes well 💕 Thank you for putting this video up for us, it’s so appreciated.