The Rise of Hamas, Explained.

Thanks to America, 2006 proved a turning point for Hamas.
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00:00 Intro
03:07 I - BIRTH OF HAMAS
05:36 II - THE WITHDRAWAL
07:26 III - ELECTION DAY
10:05 IV - THE STORM
12:15 Conclusion

[@spectacles-dm]

❗Visit ground.news/spectacles for 40% off a better way to read the news. 🗣Discord: discord.gg/VWcpybH683 😃Patreon: patreon.com/spectaclesmedia - CORRECTIONS - 13:45 - Most recent opinion polls were biased in construction, omitting "armed struggle," so that 20% of write-ins, not a majority. But previous, recent polls which included it as an option saw it chosen by a plurality.

[@RedOlympus]

Israel's disengagement from Gaza in 2005 was driven by several factors. The occupation was increasingly seen as a costly endeavor with diminishing returns, both economically and in terms of international standing. Demographic concerns, particularly the growing Palestinian population in Gaza, posed challenges to the vision of a Jewish majority state, pushing Israel towards a two-state solution. The disengagement also strategically refocused attention on the West Bank, where territorial, resource, and security considerations were deemed more critical. Meanwhile, Palestinian support for Hamas in Gaza, bolstered by foreign actors like Iran and Syria, reflected a shift towards a more militant stance and a preference for a one-state solution. This division between Gaza and the West Bank further served Israel's security interests, complicating unified Palestinian resistance. External influences, including U.S. support for Fatah, played a significant role in shaping the regional dynamics and the conflict's evolution.

[@enysuntra1347]

These factors also played a rôle, but they also existed before and do exist in the West Bank. The Israeli secret service however briefed Sharon and brought him to withdraw for another reason. They simply saw the situation as increasingly untenable. You have to respect Netanyahu, apart from going against the counsel of the secret service in such matters himself, Mr "Amongst the Nations"- Jewish ethnostate managed to even WORSEN the situation when he came to power and keeping it at that level to keep power as the "only man who can guarantee Israel's security". Well, THAT went well on 22 Tishri…

[@peterkelly4873]

This provides fantastic context about our current situation. Thanks so much!

[@franksinatta6440]

Been with the channel since launch an still following. Great content, excellent graphics. Overall very informative and high quality documentation. The transition from voiceover to talking heads is still a bit jarring for me though. Aside from the sudden difference in sound quality, there’s an overall vibe change to the video. I say stay with the graphics, but that is just my unsolicited opinion! Great work.

[@vccc911]

I agree. I imagine it`s much easier to produce content like this, but I find the graphics-only videos you did before more engaging for some reason. I don't think it's related to the content itself at all, which is always interesting!

[@Muenni]

Yeah, personally I think Philip's sometimes overly dramatic style, clenched fist and all, makes this even more noticeable. Still love the channel overall though!

[@Var_]

I actually like the new style. He is just maybe sometimes overly dramatic, but I think he can hone in on something that works for him.

[@spectacles-dm]

Thanks for your feedback! Yeah, we had some trouble with the audio on this one. We're working on it! We're not likely to drop the on-camera stuff, but hopefully we can make it more engaging and worth the while in future videos.

[@Munthasir123]

Thank you for adding context to the situation. A lot of people look at the current situation in vacuum and don’t realize the conditions which brought us to here in the first place. The default response to dehumanizing on both sides and just go for yet another violence or war doesn’t solve the conflict.

[@dominickskinner407]

@@salvador1683can you quote where they said that, zionazi?

[@jtgd]

Nah. Lots do understand. This isn’t anything New, and many aren’t already apathetic about it

[@user-sw4md4mj2k]

@@dominickskinner407 breh...

[@dominickskinner407]

@@user-sw4md4mj2k can I help you sir?

[@Munthasir123]

@@jtgd MLK said the sad honest Truth that in his fight to end segregation he didn’t blame the KKK but the liberals who were too comfortable and didn’t care because it didn’t affect them. When African Americans would riot and try to bring attention these same liberals would turn around and call them all sorts of things, collaborate with extremist to put down any progress. Same thing happens here and in other issues as well. That is the sad honest truth. Someday maybe Israelis will read about the native people like we read about Native Americans. Thats sad honestly best case scenario for them. But man our complicity will cause our downfall. I’m telling you we might not realize it but we lost all our partners on international stage and expose ourselves to the most danger.

[@bladepeterson778]

Thank you for focusing on this question of how Hamas took power. I have found in my own reading of the situation that part is most often skipped over, usually only a brief mention of how Hamas won the election in 2006 and then shortly thereafter took over by way of a coup in Gaza.

[@korakys]

This video was quite disappointing for me because it was such a good video idea to focus in on this election and tell its story, but I think you dropped the ball. • First I would have dropped as much explanation of other parts of the conflict as possible: just focus purely on the election. • You went really easy on Fatah here. Fatah was very corrupt in those days and they are even more hated now. I was kind of shocked to see they got 41% in the election. Fatah really were a long shot to win the whole time. • Hamas was originally a social services org, a sort of replacement for incompetent govt. They have always been out there helping people that the corrupt Fatah left behind. Criminal gangs often do the same thing, because it really does make you more popular. You can take all the credit for good deeds done and little of the blame for bad stuff the govt fails to do. • Of course the US are idiots when it comes to knowing other nation's opinions, but the Europeans also duped themselves. You should have mentioned that. • The elections were free and fair with international observers. You assumed the viewer would understand this but you should have said it. • _Everyone_ reneged on the elections once Hamas won. The US, the EU, Fatah. That's not how elections work bro. This is the most important thing: there was no longer any mechanism to rein Hamas in! • Fatah cancelled all future elections: forever. They are a dictatorship in the West Bank now and the Palestinian people only allow them to exist because foreign countries pay the PLO worker's salaries, money that the West Bank can't afford to turn away. • Hamas _followed_ suit and also cancelled all future elections in Gaza. I mean, why have elections if your opposition will simply cancel any future elections if they win... Yes you got a lot of this info into your video, but only in disjointed fragments of its 13 min length. This is an extremely charged topic, only focus on the facts (I may have got some of the above wrong, but I'm not producing something so I'm not going to double check), lay out a clear sequence of events, then leave it to the audience. I don't write comments like this often: only when I think people are close, but not quite achieving, greatness.

[@korakys]

My own opinion is that when both sides are democracies eventually they reach a stable (peaceful) equilibrium. The US and Europe did the right thing to push for clean elections, but then completely fucked it up by backing out once Hamas won. Now the military hardliners control Hamas and the political officers are in exile.

[@spectacles-dm]

This is great feedback! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time.

[@UnimpressedGoose]

@@spectacles-dmthe fact you missed such basic knowledge about a subject that’s not as little known as you claim, shows you either don’t do proper research or you purposely chose to leave it out…

[@bzipoli]

you forgot to mentioned Hamas actually killed the Fatah members in Gaza after "elections were suspended" by throwing them off buildings mostly, but i'm sure you'll find some justification for this one also. Not that i think Fatah is much better, the PLO was a terrorist organization

[@kingace6186]

While I agree with you, you also left some things out: 1) Hamas is deeply unpopular too. As soon as they came into government, Gazans realized they didn't know how to govern. They also promised to be moderates despite being renown for terrorist tactics. Hamas is also notorious for how it tortures & terrorizes Gazans that it suspects have any connections to Israel. 2) Since the election became so disputed (Hamas, Fatah/PLO, Israel, US, EU) that it turned to war over Gaza, which Hamas won. So, in the end, what really mattered was Hama's de-facto control over Gaza. That's realpolitik of you. 3) And, yes, Hamas did barely win de-jure control by 4% in the elections... in 2006..... almost 20 years ago. The population has more than doubled since then, and 2/3 of Gaza is made up of children born after the 2006 elections. For Gazans in 2023, the 2006 elections has zero legitimacy. 4) Which brings me back to the disapproval rating of Hamas, 2 weeks before the October 7 attacks, a poll was conducted that surveyed people in Israel, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza. According to the Arab Barometer, "67% of Palestinians in Gaza had little or no trust in Hamas" and "75% percent said in the previous 30 days, they could not afford to feed their households due to Hamas's corruption". This is why during the summer before the war, Gazans took to the streets protesting and chanting "F*ck Hamas". 5) So if there was an election held today, Hamas would lose by a landslide. But, the polls showed that it's not that Fatah would win, either tho. That's significant because the US State Department has stated they want the Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza post war to avoid another Israeli occupation.

[@RedOlympus]

"dozens of hours" could mean you spent 1 day researching for this video

[@jax1492]

24 hrs is a lot

[@andir7374]

I just love this channel

[@samuelrodriguezrivera6856]

great insight! thanks for sharing 👍

[@DirtBlockGames]

this is great, thank you so much!

[@user-tx5gq7xw5d]

Great work

[@peace-now]

An excellent analysis of the situation. Hopefully things can bceome more peaceful in the future.

[@atakorkut5110]

Wow, this is I think the first time that I have had someone sit down and explain this conflict without a large dose of bias. I want you to know I subscribed to your channel because of this video.

[@Yous0147]

The 2 "governments" on either side of the strip are 2 blades on a pair of scissors. They seem like they're striking each other but they're really just cutting on the same cloth and skin. And the cuts are regrettably largely worn by the innocent on one side.

[@matthewlee8436]

Profound analogy. It’s such a shame

[@texenna]

what a great analogy

[@Moshington]

Pin this comment 🎉

[@RealChrisPoole]

Insanely insightful

[@tohidulislamnahid1818]

I think you should also mention that Israel also helped Hamas to rise in past . So they can weakened PLO .

[@s0me0nelse]

"helped" by allowing money to come into gaza. While if it wasnt allowing it, israel would be accused for making gaza poor by occupation, open air jail etc etc...

[@kingace6186]

Namely, Netanyahu and Bezalel Smotrich.

[@Tidbits12345]

@@s0me0nelseLOL😂

[@user-fb1mw2nl3i]

​@@s0me0nelse As if Israel was doing none of that before Hamas was formed? 😂

[@nlald]

I don’t understand the logic behind the claim that the 2005 Disengagement was designed to undermine the creation of a Palestinian state. In the video you state the claim, and then the source you quote states the claim, but I don’t understand the claim’s rationale. The connection between Disengagement and undermining a Palestinian state is unclear to me.

[@ordinarynet6694]

The Logic is that Gaza was simply never meant to be a Palestinian state. The idea of a Palestinian state has exited Israeli interests since Arafat declined the deal he was given, Because he made it clear that a Palestinian state would only be accepted with capabilities of a army, a death sentence for Israel which has experienced first hand how easy it is to divert Palestinians to violence.

[@uriargaman7241]

The disengagement created a split in territory between the West Bank and Gaza Strip with divided leadership. Can't negotiate with West Bank leaders about a Palestinian state if they don't have jurisdiction over Gaza. It's sickening. I don't think it was Sharon's only rationale though. He, and every Israeli Prime Minister since, believed Gaza was inherently unstable and more Israeli lives would be lost from trying to control it directly than from constricting it from outside. That theory fell apart at October 7th 2023.

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

it's called "no partner for peace".

[@hatinmyselfiscool2879]

​@@ordinarynet6694 " a death sentence for israel" the idf is a death sentence for palestinians as we can see by real life examples, not by some idiotic conjecture.

[@anash7]

It is not a big deal but Fatah is pronounced more like Fateh or even Fath. You make the second "a" sound long while it is even shorter than the first (or inexistent, depending on the accent).

[@liamredmill9134]

Thanks

[@muadddib]

00:05 Is that the Steel Division main menu background sound? Lmao

[@Angus_fO]

A Spectacle video on the 2014 Maydan revolution would be really interesting

[@rhetoric5173]

Why isn’t the invasion 2004-2005 Mentioned?

[@stringfellowbalk2654]

Madness that U.S. foreign policy just seems unable to read the room. Young hotheads and bitter old men. Hell of a combo.

[@FatFrankie42]

Don't forget the literal f**ktons of $$, that's most politicians' true Master and is probably the deciding factor in many, if not all, of their political machinations. I say this as someone who, before Oct. 8th, had a relatively positive opinion of the Prez, Biden has been in AIPAC's back pocket for pretty much the entirety of his 50-odd years in politics. There are few US politicians, Democrats or Republicans, who haven't been bought & paid for by one/some special interest(s) or another. Biden is far from unique in the grift-ocracy of America. It's difficult to not become apathetic or even nihilistic knowing that if a decision comes down to what benefits either the US population or special interests, the people are probably gonna get shafted. I guess that's why I'm so involved & invested in Mutual Aid affinity groups & communities building horizontal structural powers. 🤷‍♂️

[@anhleroy]

Great quote at the beginning. I have heard that phrase, the center won’t hold attributed incorrectly then if it came from Yeats.

[@legoboy468]

Wow this video was really insightful, I’m already subbed but if I wasn’t I’d sub after watching this lol

[@Hakaimono]

I would like a longer more researched and in depth video on both intifadas.

[@carminecaruso4818]

You may want to fix 1:25 as it has flashing lights I'm no expert but it may give an epilepsy attack

[@freekook]

Very sobering and balanced analysis of the situation.

[@brightlight7181]

Thanks for the explanation. Please make a video what is your prognosis about Israel-Hamas and Israel-Iran conflicts.

[@KFCLOVERMY]

You forgot the part where Bibi funded Hamas 😬

[@Titus921]

Forgot to mentioned why Netanyahu send load of cash to Hamas to prevent the question of two state solution.

[@blueliar]

America is like .... We all are for democracy, until it server us..... If elected by democracy oppose us... Its false democracy 😂

[@confusedbud_yt7973]

Babe, wake up, new Spectacles video just came out

[@thomasjosullivan9179]

Excellent job guys. I hope this helps people out there get some feeling for how complicated this is. I am Irish and we had a brutal occupation too. There was genocide and apartheid for centuries. The last round of the violence was in the North of Ireland in the 70's and 80's. At he core the problem was human rights and equal justice. The biggest problem in Israel is that they believe they are superior or some how entitled to take the land from the Palestinians, then subject them to an apartheid system or worse an open air prison (Gaza). The current scale of civilian death shows what complete disregard Israel has for Palestinians 10,000+ dead children in two months??? This is a shocking genocide and all the buildings are nearly all destroyed?? What is the objective?? Complete cleansing of the Palestinian population! The USA is 100% guilty for their support of this. Shame on you both

[@ibrahimehab2404]

14:40 No justice, no peace

[@kingace6186]

One blindside to this video is the role Netanyahu played in the failure of the Oslo Peace Accords and the rise of Hamas. It was Bibi's inflammatory speech against the PM (calling him a "traitor" & a "Nazi") that got Yitzhak Rabin assassinated by a far-right Israeli. Then, when Hamas carried out terror attacks on school buses, Bibi used that fear to launch his political career right into the Prime Minister's office, thus starting a mutual relationship. In fact, after Hamas took over Gaza, Bibi was caught "smuggling suitcases full of cash" into Gaza to discreetly give to Hamas, despite it being a terrorist organization. His political calculus was that as long as Hamas continues to exist (and Fatah continues to be corrupt), Bibi can claim that he has no partner for peace, thus de-facto denying the legitimacy of Palestinian Statehood. The fact is Netanyahu has always opposed any form of a 2 State Solution and even rejected the "existence of a Palestinian people". As long as politicians like Netanyahu are in charge, anti-Israeli organizations like Hamas will continue to exist.

[@thomasjosullivan9179]

I agree, there is no possibility of 2 states now. So how is an apartheid state to be allowed?

[@kingace6186]

@@thomasjosullivan9179 There is always a path towards 2 States, what is needed is enough political will.

[@thomasjosullivan9179]

I cannot see a Palestinian state now it is totally fragmented. They just have to be full citizens and hamas can be in government there in the unified country @@kingace6186

[@itamarplayz3153]

I am an Israeli Jew, right wing, and I agree with your analysis. though I would like to argue that between Netanyahu's first and second terms, there was an entire decade, The decade had 2 major attempts from Israeli prime ministers to create a Palestinian state, the first in 2000, still with Arafat in power, had promised the Palestinians 95% of the west bank and the entirety of the Gaza Strip, even G.W. Bush then president of the USA said that Israel offered the palestinians more than they could have dreamed of yet they declined. Ehud Barak, then prime minister of Israel, voted into power for the sole purpose of making this peace deal a reality came back from camp david and said: "There is no partner for peace". Arafat decided to launch the Second Intifada. A second, less giving offer was made in 2007 under Israeli PM Ulmert, which was flat out refused. So as much as I would have liked it, you can not put all of the blame on corrupt Netanyahu. Have a good rest of your day, Itamar.

[@thomasjosullivan9179]

@@itamarplayz3153 I respect your post. You say you are "right wing" and you talk sense. Could you tell me are you following the extreme suffering of the children in Gaza? I hear most Israelis are not and are not aware of the huge number of amputations of limbs with no anesthetic. The number of dead children will haunt future generations, it is off the charts. I do hope you have humanity towards them.

[@bzipoli]

that was pretty shallow

[@demoncloud6147]

youtube AI hide this video from visibility

[@augustsoomre4795]

Sakarja 11:12 Siis ma ütlesin neile: „Kui see teie silmis hea on, siis andke mu palk; aga kui mitte, siis laske olla!” - ja nad vaagisid mu palga: kolmkümmend hõbeseeklit. 13 Ja Issand ütles mulle: „Viska see potissepale!” See suurepärane hind, millega nad mind olid hinnanud! Ja ma võtsin need kolmkümmend hõbeseeklit ja viskasin potissepale Issanda kojas. 14 Siis ma murdsin katki oma teise kepi, Ühenduse, et tühistada vendlust Juuda ja Iisraeli vahel. 15 Siis ütles Issand mulle: „Võta enesele veel kord meeletu karjase varustus! 16 Sest vaata, ma lasen tõusta maale ühe karjase: ta ei tunne puudust hukkunust, ta ei otsi kadunut, ta ei ravi haavatut, ta ei hoolitse terve eest, aga ta sööb lihavate liha ja rebib ära nende sõrad. Matteuse evangeelium 7:15 Hoiduge valeprohvetite eest, kes tulevad teie juurde lambanahas, seestpidi aga on kiskjad hundid! 16 Te tunnete nad ära nende viljast. Ega viinamarju korjata kibuvitstelt ega viigimarju ohakailt? 17 Nõnda siis kannab iga hea puu head vilja, aga halb puu halba vilja. 18 Hea puu ei või kanda halba vilja ega halb puu kanda head vilja. 19 Iga puu, mis ei kanna head vilja, raiutakse maha ja visatakse tulle. 20 Küllap te tunnete nad ära nende viljast! Johannese evangeelium 16:Jeesus julgustab jüngreid 1 Seda ma olen rääkinud teile, et te ei komistaks. 2 Nad heidavad teid kogudusest välja. Jah, tuleb tund, mil igaüks, kes teid tapab, arvab end Jumalale teenet osutavat. 3 Ja seda nad teevad, sest nad ei ole ära tundnud ei Isa ega mind. 4 Kuid seda olen ma teile rääkinud, et kui see tund tuleb, siis tuleks teile meelde, et mina olen seda teile öelnud. Seda ma ei ole öelnud teile kohe alguses, sest ma olin koos teiega. Kiri heebrealastele 6:4 On ju võimatu neid, kes kord on olnud valgustatud, kes on maitsnud taevast andi ja saanud osa Pühast Vaimust, 5 kes on kogenud Jumala head sõna ja tulevase ajastu vägesid 6 ning ometi ära taganenud - neid on võimatu uuendada jälle meeleparanduseks, sest et nad iseendi kahjuks löövad Jumala Poja risti ja teevad ta naeruks. 7 Maa, mis joob sagedasti sellele langevat vihma ja kasvatab kasulikke taimi neile, kes seda ka harivad, saab õnnistuse Jumalalt, 8 aga maa, mis kannab kibuvitsu ja ohakaid, on kõlbmatu ja lähedal äraneedmisele, mille lõpp on ärapõletamine. 9 Me oleme aga veendunud, armsad, et teie puhul on lugu parem ja pääste võimalik, kuigi me räägime nõnda. 10 Sest Jumal ei ole ülekohtune, nii et ta unustaks ära teie teo ja armastuse, mida te olete osutanud tema nimele, kui te aitasite pühasid ja aitate veelgi. Johannese esimene kiri 5:16 Kui keegi näeb oma venda tegevat pattu, mis ei ole surmaks, siis ta palugu, ja Jumal annab talle elu, neile, kes ei tee pattu surmaks. On pattu, mis on surmaks: selle kohta ma ei ütle, et tal tuleks paluda. 17 Kõik ülekohus on patt, aga on pattu, mis ei ole surmaks. 18 Me teame, et ükski, kes on sündinud Jumalast, ei tee pattu, sest Jumalast sünnitatu hoiab ennast ja kuri ei puuduta teda. 19 Me teame, et meie oleme Jumalast ja et terve maailm on kurja käes. 20 Aga me teame, et Jumala Poeg on tulnud ja andnud meile mõistmise, et me tunneksime ära Tõelise. Ja meie oleme Tõelises, tema Pojas Jeesuses Kristuses. Seesama on tõeline Jumal ja igavene elu. 21 Lapsed, hoiduge ebajumalate eest!

[@shawnvandyne8784]

Great intel as always, but way to much face time. Much respect, your videos are some of the best.

[@spectacles-dm]

Noted, and appreciated

[@Maybe_Me_Maybe_Not]

As an Israeli, even though I watched your videos for a while now, I’m surprised on the video’s accuracy and quality. Really, good job!

[@gastonalvarodorrego6559]

What is your opinion on the conflict?

[@Omer1996E.C]

An Israeli said that about Gaza, not interesting

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

the easiest way to tell that a history video is misleading:

[@jord1214]

@@Ass_of_Amalek and this right here is why there won't be peace for years to come. Ignorance and desire for blood.

[@cherrycola542]

Ehhh now idk Abt this video

[@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist]

I’m tired of 120+ years of manufactured wars & suffering, I don’t have a side in this-but what about the 2019 Haaretz article where Bibi said they fund them? And before that, they were aided as a balance to the PLO?

[@thecrazycat8745]

haaretz is known for fake news, it is not a trusted news source in israel

[@youtubeuser206]

@@tobia5267 Hamas started as an Islamic charity organization - it was only after decades of oppression and murder that they became militarized

[@youtubeuser206]

@@tobia5267 in 1988 Hamas also offered to recognize israel if it withdrew to the 1967 borders and didn't interfere in Palestinian affairs - they were ignored, and then afterwards released their constitution demanding the destruction of israel (which is no longer part of their constitution btw)

[@bzipoli]

this for sure shows you don't know how hamas was formed and what came before in the sinai you're not obligated to say something if you're misinformed, you can just be silent

[@jord1214]

@@youtubeuser206 The Hamas charter literally ends with a part describing how trees will guide Muslim "martyrs" to hiding Jews so they can be killed. Hamas might have wanted peace at one point, but all they want now is blood. Because that's what's keeping them rich and in power. Neither side wants to back down and civillians pay the price. Hamas will never accept coexistence with Jews and Israel will never accept a Palestinian state with Hamas in the picture.

[@user-mk6sf8nn2n]

Of course if you occupy some one else land you will create resistance fighters who will fight back for their freedom and land Israel should’ve thought what will happen if they stoled some one else’s land they will also be attacked

[@peteconradjr.8605]

I guess I'm not like you.

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

Thats the hallmarks of true evil... the world needs to wake up to it, rather than championing it on campuses.

[@Hakaimono]

It's important to realize that there was a non insignificant portion of communist palestinians who would not have supported either Fatah or Hamas.

[@RedOlympus]

Israel's disengagement from Gaza was driven by a combination of factors: 1. Economic and Security Considerations: The occupation was costly and increasingly unsustainable, both financially and in terms of security. 2. Demographic Challenges: Rapid Palestinian population growth in Gaza threatened the demographic balance Israel sought to maintain. 3. Shift Towards Two-State Solution: The move was a strategic shift towards a two-state solution, de-emphasizing Gaza in favor of focusing on the West Bank, which offered more strategic advantages in terms of resources and defensible borders. 4. Division for Security: Creating a divide between Gaza and the West Bank served to weaken unified Palestinian resistance, aligning with Israel's security objectives. 5. International Image: The disengagement was partly aimed at improving Israel's international standing, signaling a willingness to make concessions for peace. Palestinian response, particularly in Gaza, was influenced by: 1. Radicalization and Foreign Support: Support for Hamas, bolstered by countries like Iran and Syria, indicated a shift towards more militant, one-state aspirations. 2. External Influences: The U.S. and Israel's support for Fatah as a counterbalance to Hamas, and the fluctuating support of regional powers, played a role in the internal Palestinian political landscape. 3. Educational and Media Indoctrination: The use of education and media in Gaza for radicalization paralleled historical instances of indoctrination, further entrenching hardline stances. These dynamics reflect the multifaceted nature of the conflict, where economic, political, security, and ideological factors intertwine, influenced by both internal dynamics and external geopolitical interests.

[@treznicek]

Actually the 2005 disengagement was specifically a tool to counter the 2-state solution (which Sharon opposed) not support it. By removing Gaza from the table so to speak while still controlling life in Gaza from the outside, Sharon assured that violence would increase (missiles) turning Israeli (mainstream, not necessarily majority) public opinion against “peace” or negotiations for a two state solution. This later became Netanyahu’s mo as well - which got us where we’re at.

[@nathanielzarny1176]

I've heard this story a few times, and it always changes based on who is telling it. Was is Fatah who refused to accept Hamas as part of the government and so used force to try to achieve those gains? Or was it Hamas who with the mandate overthrew the PA and established their own government without democratic restraints? I'm sure you were aware of this and purposely made it fuzzy, but I'd like to know.

[@RedOlympus]

The idea that "x deaths produce y terrorists" is a simplistic view of Palestinian radicalization. In reality, it's influenced by complex factors: leadership decisions, education systems propagating militant ideologies, foreign support for armed groups, and socio-political conditions within Palestinian territories. This multifaceted process can't be reduced to a straightforward equation of violence begetting radicalization, as seen in the varied outcomes of post-conflict societies like post-WWII Germany and Japan, where comprehensive reforms and international cooperation led to demilitarization and democratization instead of continued radicalization. Radicalization in Palestinian areas is not a straightforward consequence of tragedy or conflict. It involves a complex interplay of factors: control of education and media by groups like Hamas, which often infuse curricula with militant ideologies; foreign influence and involvement in the region, proxy conflicts and surrounding geopolitical contexts.

[@TheAlskdfj]

Can you cite some sources esp for Hamas influenced militant curricula? Education in particular. Btw, it turns out Hamas reports more accurately than the Israeli gov and IDF.

[@RedOlympus]

@@TheAlskdfj the examples I saw were reports/investigations from Georg Eckert Institute (GEI) and from an Israeli non-profit NGO called IMPACT-se. I can't speak to the accuracy or bias of the reports they produced. I have also seen what seem like shocking clips from a Palestinian TV show Tomorrow's Pioneers. I don't read Arabic and I can't confirm the accuracy of this IMPACT-se evaluation of the 2021-22 Palestinian school curriculum but here is one page of their report: "www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/PA-Reports_-Updated-Selected-Examples_May-2021.pdf#page=43"

[@cavannaro1]

It’s interesting, and slightly revealing, that you managed to write all that without a single reference to Israel and its 75 year long brutal military occupation, which is incrementally and methodically wiping Palestine off the map, courtesy of complete control of Gaza, settlement building in the West Bank, and incessant dehumanisation. But you elected to not mention any of that. I wonder why…..

[@Omer1996E.C]

Uhhh, another western point of view from thousands of kilometers far trying to explain things falsely, y'all do that The "radicalization" thing you said is very wrong, the reason why Palestinians fight Israel is simply because of the long occupation and cruel oppression. The education curriculum is controlled by the Fatah party that's aided by the US, they're even disliked by many if not most palestinians You're definitely an ignorant on Arab and Palestinian matters, and the region as a whole

[@Cartoonnetworkisamazing]

You’re basically talking without saying anything actually important to take away lol

[@kris8997]

You neglected to mention that Egypt has also put a complete blockade on Gaza after Hamas rose to power. Your claim that Sharon has pulled out with no intent of promoting peace is also untrue - citing one of Sharon’s advisors as the one eclipsing thing against the plethora of other reports, including the USA’s and Sharon’s own worlds that this was in fact for the promotion of peace is cherry-picking at its finest.

[@aimenkanan6319]

You know nothing about what’s really happening here

[@GAGONMYCOREY]

You left out a lot of context in Israel's role in Hamas' rise. Not just giving them a narrative for violence, Israel did much, much more than that. There are plenty of Likud members, Bibi included, that are quoted in supporting Hamas as a vehicle for Likud's agenda.

[@RedOlympus]

Israel's disengagement from Gaza was driven by a mix of strategic, demographic, and economic considerations, aiming to reduce the burden of occupation and move towards a two-state solution. For many Palestinians, especially in Gaza, this move was viewed adversarially, reflecting deep-seated mistrust and a preference for a one-state solution. Hamas's election in Gaza echoed this sentiment, highlighting a shift towards a more militant stance. Foreign actors, like Iran and Turkey, played significant roles, often exacerbating tensions. Their influence, combined with internal dynamics, contributed to a complex and deeply entrenched conflict, making resolution efforts challenging.

[@drandel23]

Talk about loaded language.

[@liamredmill9134]

Best i seen on this confussing and secretive anti two state apartheid subject

[@powerofone1645]

Israel should NOT take the land from the Palestinians. This fuels the violence. “No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate?” - Bertrand Russell

[@ordinarynet6694]

Its important to remember that the Original Israeli land was given to Israel and Accepted by Jew's in '48, While the Muslims (among them majority of Palestinian's) rejected the idea of a two-state-solution and immedietly began a invasion. The land was simply not theirs to begin with, and a refusal to accept the Jew's have a right to live on the land just as much as they have that right, is what sparked this conflict to begin with. The ongoing attacks on Israel during the following "Extermination wars" (Independence War, Six-Days-War, Yom-Kipur war) Were war's fought for the Survival of Israel, For independece, for ensuring protection of the State, and the surprise attack by Egypt. The Muslims who stayed were accepted by the State of Israel, Which you can see by the 1.9 Million Israeli-Arab citizens who are given every single right including the right to vote and live peacefully among the Jew's. There's no way any Israeli Jew will trust Palestinian's with a state of their own, Before not with a military, now not even with a state, and especially not to live inside of Israeli land where theyll have a all-you-can-kill buffet of Jew's.

[@putra4101]

​@@ordinarynet6694Ah yes give the lands to the Europeans jewish from indigineous tribe with several justification, seems like similar story in somewhere else innit?

[@its_firas.]

​@ordinarynet6694 the fact that u migrated 2 million Zionist jews in Palestine makes ur whole argument bs u cant promise a land that already belong to people and dont expect conflict

[@superelizabeth9253]

They would accept it eventually. The quote is dumb. So many kther people were expelled and forgotten about

[@bzipoli]

​@@putra4101indigenous tribes? arabs migrated there from the arabic peninsula after 100AD with a higher number only after islam was created. hebrews/jews lived in the region from at least 3000BCE. citing archeological evidence for both. and by the way, BOTH were expelled depending on the timeframe. otomans are not arabs. they're turks. just like persians are not arabs. almost 70% of the israeli population are mizrahim, not "european jews", which by the way, not a thing. all jews come from the same land. "european jews" (ashkenazi) went to europe because they were (guess what) expelled from their homeland. and they were never european, they were always "jews" and marginalized. do your know what schwartzmann means? means black man in germanic. because jews had darker skin, eye colour and hair than the natives. the land which now is israel was a piece of land NO ONE WANTED until the jews moved there again in the begining of the 1800s. it was a piece of land forgotten by the otoman empire. "palestinians" who went there in larger numbers (apart from jerusalem, which always had people) went as hires for constructing the houses of the jewish settlers. they came from egypt and what is now jordan. why do you think the "palestinians" in gaza have egyptian last names and on the west bank they have... jordanian ones? did you bother to know that? or you're just repeating whatever you hear on the internet? oh and also: when the jerusalem mufti went to europe and recruited people for the waffen-SS and the arabs sided with the nazis, were they also being mindful of "indigenous people"? well, they lost the war and getting jordan (which was actually the state for arabs from that general region) was a good enough deal. EVEN THEN, they got the opportunity to the partition and rather attacked israel. and lost another war. all territory then was gained after israel entered wars when being attacked, so suck it up

[@altbissette7785]

My only comment is that you should have started with or before the Israeli atrocity of the nakba, which is where much of the animosity from the Palestinians originates.

[@bzipoli]

should he also mentioned al-husseini before 48 or would you rather not? or how the arabs sided with the nazi in WWII? or did you forget? do you think the animosity began at 48? you know jews and muslim been in direct conflit in the region for about 80 years before, don't you? hardly, because it's obvious you're just repeating what you hear on the internet wanna go back? first record of the jewish population being massacred by muslims is from around 600AD. you sure you wanna go back? have you studied enough? palestinians moved out of the territory because a war was declared. your statement just proves you don't think israel should exist

[@cherrycola542]

​@@bzipolian ethnic group cannot side with something. A government can, not a peoples. but all Arabs do not live in Gaza and all Gazans are not arabs

[@hatinmyselfiscool2879]

​@@bzipoliisrael shouldn't exist. Pretty easy. It's a ethno state, it's a settler colonial project, it's not equal to everybody even remotely and we both know that, you, as a colonizer tho, won't admit that. Some day you'll have to pay for the sins you supported and are probably part of.

[@negrevallsette2980]

@bzipoli nations doesn't have right to exist , people are , abolish the ethnostate and the aperthaid, create a nation that incorporate the indegenious and the settlers , but i guess israel is too racist of a stae to accept that , i guess white supremacy is reached the deepest of their bones and start engaging in the same behaviour of the european and the american , it sad that even if germany had lost the ww2 but facism as concept defenitly won

[@MideoKuze]

Hamas rose to power because the state of Israel made peaceful negotiation futile at every turn. The Oslo accords, heralded as significant progress towards peace, enabled an expansion of settlement in the west bank and kept 80% of the west bank's water for Israeli settlers. The situation in Gaza, the entire time, has been even worse. When left without peaceful means of securing survival, violence is all that's left on the table. Unless and until Israel's government and military open the door to peace, by withdrawing settlements, opening up the flow of food and clean water into Palestine, improving the rights of Palestinians in Israel, allowing the return of Palestinian diaspora, and allowing Palestine to economically develop, there can be no peace.

[@Billiamwoods]

People love to ignore the aggressive and settler colonial nature of Israel. The analogy between Israel and early United States is so easy to see. The nature of these projects rarely changes.

[@superelizabeth9253]

Yeah yeah its always israels fault. Arabs are never wrong

[@nihil_hd1598]

Why sint teh Gaza Goverment using International Aid to build infrastrucrure for its people

[@hatinmyselfiscool2879]

​@@nihil_hd1598 how exactly are they going to distribute anything rn when their entire country has been destroyed buddy

[@nihil_hd1598]

@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 before the war, buddy. Fuck Israel, but their goverment gives a shit about their wellbeing

[@MuadMouse]

I watched this on Nebula and wanted to comment. Mostly, the video is quite informative and we'll made, at least to someone like who is not that well versed on the topic. At the end, you come around to both-sidesing the situation, implying that Palestinians are are as bloodthirsty and eager to do the G-crime (what the ICJ are looking into; I don't want to get censored) as the Israeli state. You imply that Gazans supporting violent means in their self-defense is pointless and deserving of a massively destructive response. I don't have to be an expert to remember that after an extended period of peaceful Palestinian protest, the state of Israel escalated its violence. This wasn't secret information you had to dig out. I'm fairly sure you think you're being fair and ethical about this, and you clearly find violence to be abhorrent (as do I). But we wrinkle our noses at violence from ivory towers created and maintained by unimaginable brutality. We have no idea what it is to defend our existence from immediate destruction by arguably the most advanced military machine on the planet. It's weird that you allude to this difference in context when you talk about how democracy leads to people addressing their immediate problems, yet in your final analysis dismiss the Palestinian right to self-defense. My hope is that all of this is not due to ideological dismissal of human rights, but due to having to appease the cruel gods of the capitalistic algorithm and its owners, and that Nebula can provide the financial security that enables you to speak truth to power.

[@giladhaimovici4936]

You got many facts right, but the whole context - especially from the israeli prospective, is wrong. Im sorry but it is much more nuanced than that.

[@user-um9ks1rn8l]

Palestine has forever been in a defensive stance with Israel's very existence being in the offensive. you cannot expect negotiations between an abusive colony and the original inhabitants to not be a waste of time in the long run. Israelis are not Israelites, that title belongs to the Palestinian, regardless of whatever the current religion is. The rest is identity politics hiding the push of imperialism in that region. Follow international law and respect the right to self determination, that is the only real way to "defeat hamas"

[@purcitron]

Religion of extreme peace 💣

[@dreamersdisease2481]

Its dirty and hairy

[@alexanderbergh830]

free Palestine

[@murrismiller2312]

this is a childish outlook / perspective on a thousands year old issue ( hatred)

[@Ahmed-oq3ug]

Good take and insightful But I have a small note that you might didn't notice The map you've used included an occupied territory of Golan in the northern border of Israel which not part of Israel which is belong to Syria

[@bzipoli]

nope, you lost in the war, stop whining. shouldn't have attacked. and lost even on a 1:10 troops basis in 73. skill issue

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

I love when these pretend-objective content creators show where they got their narrative through the maps they use.

[@Ahmed-oq3ug]

@@bzipoli international law don't recognize wars as means to expand and gain new territory Golan Heights are Syrian territory

[@nihil_hd1598]

@@Ahmed-oq3ug It wasnt a war of expansion

[@hatinmyselfiscool2879]

​@@bzipoli so if someone conquers israel, then it is justified? So, basically, muslim rule was justified over the territory in the middle ages then? Your hypocritical logic is beautiful, you curl yourself to make sense of the world with a blinded vision.

[@mikemashudu2263]

You bias

[@user-zq5zy7oz5p]

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[@afterhourscinema782]

PALESTINE has the right to defend itself

[@alexanderp4115]

as an Israeli this is a very netural and non biased video. even showing me what happend at the PA's government at the time in greater detale than i knew before

[@Gungho47]

PSY-OPS much?

[@akaneak]

how you casualy mention that Hamas's charter includes the full destruction of Israel like its nothing. or show Israel refusal to pass money to a rule that activly shoots missiles and declares the full destruction of Israel - like its a two similar states that just so happen to clash. Its like comparing the USA and Nazi Germany.

[@negrevallsette2980]

No you don't understand , israel are the nazi here , they are one whoe engaging in an aperthaid and hold violent camps , like israel is not engaging in nazi behaviour , they are litteraly the nazis (with zionism flavour)

[@negrevallsette2980]

And btw hamas charter is been changed lile the israeli one in the past that say deat to arabs

[@akaneak]

@@negrevallsette2980 right now, in 2024 - Israel give equal rights to all citizens regardless of race, religion or gender. While Hamas has Shariya Law that actively terrorizes woman, minorities of all kind, including Christians, and kill any LGBTQ. so... yeah... definitely not equal footing.

[@cjme1988]

Disappointing! No depth at all!

[@ibrahimrogers2859]

Criminals and Thugs

[@jonahd9895]

1

[@Jane-dq7on]

Who attacked Israel the day after is was awarded as the Jewish homeland? Ignoring historical relevance does not ligitimize your so called account regarding the struggles between Israel vs Palestine.

[@user-pn8im7yk3x]

❤❤❤🧕🤵🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@fillipe4700]

Divide and conquer. They need to create the problem to sell the "solution"

[@cherrycola542]

Whatever, Free Palestine!

[@murrismiller2312]

a blood thirsty approach to life ( blood LUST ) is what brought this on ??!

[@migueljavierayup7634]

The short video/investigation and the most thumbed up comment lack the essential for me: what do you stand for? The suffering and the historic facts don’t. The middle means nothing than money to my. My thumb down

[@spicyonion736]

This video is putting most of the blame on derelict palestinian institutions without emphasising enough israel's faults (both materially and diplomatically, for example constantly discrediting the Palestinian govt. on the international stage, undermining its ability to attract investment and possibilities of development). Israel CREATED this situation and left the Palestinians no options really but to hope in a more radical organisation seeing how Fatah weren't being able to stop israeli colonisation and abuses.

[@sheikowi]

The bobble-head is a terrible announcer. Wish him the best.

[@crispian67]

In what way specifically? His tone IMO is measured as opposed to hyperbolic. Ditto with diction where word emphasis is refreshingly in the right spots unlike some YT presenters who weirdly stress random words in an unnatural "uncanny valley" way.

[@santaiswhite]

I‘m an israeli. This piece was very nuanced and accurate and actually filled in some blanks that i had. Thank you.

[@vp2008]

I like your videos but the title feels super clickbaity. The entire video also ignored all the other attempts of peace by the Israeli side in previous decades. Israeli politics also leaned left for decades but the constant terror attacks from the PLO and subsequently Hamas push Israeli politics further and further to the right with the right wing parties like Likud promising the Israeli population that their policies can protect them. It really is a vicious cycle and at this point, I don't see any chance a two state solution happening in our lifetime

[@negrevallsette2980]

Man with all the sabotage that we see to day in the negoation of ceasefire by the israel , we have a great idea how all those israeli peace were created , a one sided inhuman treaties there was never a left in israel , yeah maybe for israeli , but leftsim is out the window when you say left and colonialism is the same sentence , just end the aperthaid and create a one state or return to 1967 border ,

[@murrismiller2312]

Horrified??? .... Hamas BROUGHT this on the GAZANS

[@cherrycola542]

So all of a sudden it's not horrifying???

[@kylew2165]

One would think Israel would be against genocide Just a comment from a history buff. Too soon?

[@Cartoonnetworkisamazing]

what do you expect from a nation that is built on the concept of ethnocracy lol

[@nihil_hd1598]

@@Cartoonnetworkisamazing Israel isnt build on ethnocracy

[@Cartoonnetworkisamazing]

@@nihil_hd1598 it literally is

[@danielgreen2788]

How Merica help destroy human life everywhere

[@alexratzloff894]

Ohhh get out of here with that crap.....

[@Billiamwoods]

​@@alexratzloff894Nato pfp 😂😂😂 literally beyond parody

[@randomperson9553]

@@Billiamwoods said the person with a fidel castro quote as their yt name, get over yourself.

[@Billiamwoods]

@@randomperson9553 Um actually it's a reference to a rap album 🤓 and a Fidel Castro quote. But it's crazy how the people Castro liberated actually like him whereas NATO is basically just a US proxy org and no one likes them.

[@randomperson9553]

@@Billiamwoodsaint no way bro is using the nerd face unironically and also FIdel Castro "liberated them" by proceeding to screw over their economy and "encouraging them" to take the 500 mile journey on pieces of scrap to reach the EVIL US

[@alexratzloff894]

I love George Bush but literally wtf was he thinking Hamas would do once "elected"? This was easily one of the his biggest misteaks if not his biggest

[@Billiamwoods]

You LOVE George Bush? Holy shit

[@Rain-Man]

@@Billiamwoods my first time hearing it as well

[@alexratzloff894]

@@Billiamwoods Most Americans do

[@karlosdeevs]

@@alexratzloff894*or used to

[@Billiamwoods]

​@@alexratzloff894Hence why I don't like America. Also the fact that you think supporting a democratically elected government is one of his biggest mistakes and not... all of the god-awful ghoulish shit he did is insane. Like, yeah, he committed basically genocide in Iraq by destroying a budding country and engaging in economic terrorism that lead to starvation and disease, but he didn't full-throatedly oppose Palestinian liberation for two seconds - that's the bad part.

[@tiler99abc]

Nonsense False narrative Free Palestine

[@Cartoonnetworkisamazing]

They all like to paint Hamas as the bad guys since they’re the only active resistance group in Palestine

[@Lagiacrus1996]

​@@Cartoonnetworkisamazingthey're a brutal violent terrorist organisation.

[@codenamepyro2350]

@@Lagiacrus1996 more brutal than Israeli Occupation forces actively committing genocide?

[@trashcantheretardman8459]

From the River to the Sea, Palestine shall be free.