THE RULES OF WRESTLING MIGHT NEVER BE THE SAME

[@MeetMe-at-TheCreek]

Hope Flo makes a change or two to the subscription to make it a customer friendly support to grow the sport.

[@samuelloizeaux698]

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[@jeramiahhampton1875]

Thanks for the laugh.

[@bryanduchane2371]

Been there, done that!! It sucks to join!

[@mattwhite22]

💯 this is one of the biggest things holding back the sport!

[@LakeNonaFan]

@@mattwhite22 how?

[@boriskoblents8586]

Alternatively to an outright 3 point take-down they can incorporate control time of 10 seconds to get the additional point. That would make the initial scramble immediately off the take down that much more important and add another friction point to keep working. More importantly you can yell out "TWO!" and still get that final point after 10 seconds of control.

[@boombam2839]

Wrestling's version of "and 1"

[@Slimeywhitebelt]

i was just bouta say that^^

[@rootsgrassusa]

I like this so much better than three points

[@rustygray5058]

This is a much better idea

[@michaelscott33]

This would become way too confusing for fans. You already have to show control. I love the 3 point takedown because it eliminates the whole 3 take downs and letting your opponent up while still only bring 6-3. Then, if your opponent gets a takedown and later goes down and stands up escape, then they essentially tied it with just one take down.

[@deinfreundlichdeutsch_34]

in my opinion, college wrestling is going to be different next year if this gets passed and it’s going to be A LOT different. 👍🏼 Thank you FloWrestling!

[@brianwilliams3146]

A lot different, but better.

[@timlamb1156]

It will advantage the more athletic wrestler

[@ralphiewigs2208]

These changes will definitely spice up the action. I've only recently developed an appreciation for the strategies surrounding the ride, but I think I'll enjoy these changes even more.

[@hanzorelli]

I love the strategy that the riding time point introduces. This is coming from somebody who did wrestle in college

[@rrt5000]

100% agree. I've also watched a few matches where the less skilled wrestler catches his opponent early and gets a few backpoints. Then the more skilled wrestler spends the next 2 periods catching up and needing that riding time point. It helps to show dominance. Keep it!

[@billsoderholm3125]

Don’t like riding time. This is coming from someone who wrestled in college as well. I call it “yawning time”.

[@blazeharding574]

I’m not going to lie, when I saw the thumbnail, my initial reaction was, they went too far, but after thinking about the changes and listening to your explanation, I’m in.

[@georgecalhoun5834]

I dislike the elimination of riding time. That's one of the things that really distinguishes American folkstyle wrestling. Any issues could have been dealt with by changed stalling rules (such as the ankle ride change).

[@alancrookston5906]

They are just adding a turn component, so if you sit there on the ankle and I don’t do anything - no points. You have to turn the opponent to get your riding Time point, Which will speed up things. People want to see scoring.

[@chrisbomboy3206]

Call guys who stay belly down for stalling early and often. This shit of staying belly down to not give up six is out of hand. Also tech falls should be upped to six team points.

[@ASN_JAY]

@@chrisbomboy3206pretty they do both now

[@davidhurrelbrink6754]

@@alancrookston5906 did they end up actually doing this? I know it was proposed, but I don’t think this change made it through. As far as I can tell, you can still get the riding time point without near-fall.

[@njgrplr2007]

Riding time adds a strategy element which I like. I would hate to see it go.

[@TroyYarbrough75]

I like these changes. I would also like to see takedowns awarded even if they finish out of bounds. As long as it's one continuous action that began inbounds (i.e. blast doubles).

[@albertyoung3025]

but that would make mat awareness useless

[@nathansimpson30]

Just have them wrestle freestyle at that point

[@BasicGestalt]

@@albertyoung3025 actually i like that and the mat awareness would remain but the bounds would simply extend to off the mat completely, actually never mind

[@xzjayz7925]

That’s stupid. Mat awareness would be pointless

[@xzjayz7925]

Maybe if they get pushed out, make it 1 not a takedown. That’s be 3 points if they change it, that’s stupid.

[@Slapthematwrestling]

love these rules! Takedown rule 100%. Yianni vs Murin… Yianni 3 takedowns and a reversal Murin - 1 takedown 5 escapes final score 8-7

[@Germainmedia]

EXACTLY!!

[@TonyB369]

An idea for takedowns would be to keep them normally 2 points but give a 3 point takedown similar to freestyle if its straight to back exposure.

[@rowjoe2409]

They need to work on the challenges, it just changes the whole flow of the match. Far to many breaks

[@brendan638]

Agreed completely. The challenge during the real woods andrew alirez ncaa final took WAY too long

[@yesfinallygot1]

THIS IS BIG. Excited to see how it goes next season!

[@adamdfx]

I don't love the 3 point takedown, but definitely love 3 point near falls and getting rid of riding time. I have no idea how anybody thought riding time was a good change; just incentivized stalling.

[@denisgrady7379]

Riding time does serve a purpose as a tie-breaker type of point. Riding in excess of 1 minute in say a 1-1 tie does demonstrate a level of superiorityalso incentivizes the bottom wrestler to get out instead of possibly just hanging out on bottom to maintain a 1 pt lead.

[@thechessmartialist840]

Reversals should be worth more than 2. An escape and a takedown is worth 3 (4 now I suppose), but an actual technique that accomplishes both an escape and a takedown at the same time is only worth 2. Reversals should be worth at least 3, and I think perhaps even 4 points is warranted for a legitimate reversal.

[@bobe3250]

Great idea. I agree.

[@Danimal6100]

Similar in freestyle reversals are only 1 point

[@nategalvan3907]

Reversals should not be more than a td.

[@thechessmartialist840]

@@nategalvan3907 Why not? A reversal is an escape + takedown

[@nategalvan3907]

@The Chess Martialist no it is not. An escape and takedown is an escape and takedown. A reversal should not be worth more than a takedown simply because you had to be taken down to even end up there, it rewards being taken down to a degree it doesn't deserve.

[@brandongroth4569]

I am still hoping that eventually add the pushout to folkstyle. So many exchanges end off the mat where one wrestler conceding mat control, yet there is no mechanism to be punished for it. Nearly every type of wrestling in the world is built around staying in bounds, except folkstyle... Why?

[@mlc808]

Why are we even still doing folkstyle, tbh?

[@ep6305]

I prefer folkstyle freestyle rules seem too subjective with back exposure. Like some exchanges are 10-12 total points and depending on who you ask some might give one guy 8 and the same person might onlu give them 4. I tend to think folkstyle is more black and white and fair. Also freestyle shot clock and no overtime is silly mechanic to determine a winner.

[@sketchyhippie]

@@mlc808 men's NCAA wrestling should become a hybrid version of folkstyle and freestyle.

[@sketchyhippie]

makes sense then to include high school wrestling too!

[@denisgrady7379]

Agree across the board. Back in my day, I thought a "parallel" ride was consider stalling. You had to be out to the side working for a turn. Watching now it doens't seem that rule is not in effect. It is pretty boring to watch a guy trap the bottom wrestlers legs just keep breaking down the arms or cross facing without a real turn attempt.

[@coltonwagner798]

Totally agree! This is what I was saying after attending NCAAs this year!

[@TonyB369]

I honestly like almost all of these. The only thing is that I don't want the takedown points changed from 2 to 3. It feels so natural to shout 2 but the idea of shouting 3 at the ref when there's a borderline takedown just doesn't feel right lol.

[@michaelnorth2055]

Dude, you’ll get use to it lol

[@larv8930]

Love it! Now add the "push out" point. No stalling on the edge.

[@brendan638]

I agree. The edge is a place of safety because mat savvy wrestlers can just strategically get off the mat to avoid action. Push out would simplify it.

[@npierce14]

Totally agree with the 3 point takedown there were a couple guys who won matches even tho they got taken down 2 or 3 more times than they took down their opponent but just getting escape points and riding time

[@bobe3250]

Thank you! Great update on rules.

[@ethanksiazek5548]

Expecting much ambiguity when it comes to “riding to turn”

[@nategalvan3907]

Not a good rule. The emphasis is on the bottom man

[@brendan638]

I think there is going to be less incentive for top wrestlers to ride on top if they know they cant get a turn. Now that you can only get a riding time point if you get a turn on top, i think wrestlers are going to be more prone to cutting their opponents and work for another TD

[@nategalvan3907]

@Brendan Smith very true. That's why they should change the td rule, change the nearfall rule and leave ride time as is for a while. Just see how it goes.

[@Charactermatters650]

old timer here - wrestler/coach many years - This is long overdue - great changes! This will also open up takedown attempts as well. The only thing that suffers is possibly the good mat wrestler being reawarded - small trade off to improve the action.

[@Double_deuce22]

Long time and old school wrestler here. I am now coaching. I am on board with these changes. I am tired of the non sense scrambling, and simply riding to procure the time.

[@WilliamsWrestlin]

They need a push out rule and folkstyle will be perfect

[@cander6751]

I agree, it would help our guys get ready for the Olympics

[@lityerambidextrous3668]

How can you simultaneously believe that getting up from bottom doesn’t take much skill while also believing people shouldn’t be rewarded for straight up riding and holding them down? Am I the only one who sees that inconsistency or am I crazy

[@rustygray5058]

If takedowns are going to 3, I'd really like to see reversals go to 3 as well. It feels weird that... if you assume everyone will get their 1 point escape, getting a reversal instead isn't worth more.

[@sketchyhippie]

why not give 2.5 points for a reversal? I think that's a good compromise. Why can't a match be lost by a half point?

[@sketchyhippie]

in fact they could start giving half points for stalling or cautions or even penalty points.

[@rustygray5058]

@@sketchyhippie I've felt in the past that riding time should have been a half point. Enough to break a tie, not enough to get you a tie without any offense at all.

[@ikelasider1051]

am I the only one who will miss Riding Time ?

[@nategalvan3907]

No

[@brendan638]

Riding time isnt going away. As CP says around 1:53, you can still get riding time as long as you get a turn on top.

[@nategalvan3907]

@Brendan Smith that's not riding time that's a turn point with a condition

[@kevinlabrum8539]

I like to see a tough ride out. It wears guys down and cements the match. In many cases, a good ride means all the difference in tight matches. I don't support removing the ride time point. Escapes are tough, I think they should keep the escape point. I thought 2 points for a takedown was good. Going 3 would put a big premium on take downs, but it already was the primary factor in wins. If they go three, it would be even more so. I like making guys go for the turn. If you take away the ankle hook it will be much tougher for riding out a guy. I'm not a fan of taking moves or rides out of the sport.

[@thesoccertrotter1]

Riding isn't wrestling.

[@carljames4453]

@@thesoccertrotter1 yes it is. Wrestling is controlling your opponent. Riding makes you an elite wrestler

[@xzjayz7925]

“Threeeeeeee” doesn’t feel the same as “TWOOOOOOOOOO” but I’m down for the change.

[@clev1729]

I’m old school…leave well enough alone…

[@dinocollins720]

I think I like them all except taking away a riding point. Some guys are extremely hard to turn but the top guy is still showing dominance if he can ride him for that long. I think they should only implement the "top guy needs to work towards a turn" rule and keep the "riding time" rule. In my eyes as long as the top wrestler is demonstrating he is working toward a turn he should still be awarded riding time regardless of back points.

[@i.candig-it]

only issue i see w the dead time/reviewing entire sequence is that if the ref calls 2 a person is, more likely than not, going to base out and work for an escape or reversal. If 2 us called too early, the former rule accounts for the idea that, had the ref not definitively called 2, bottom man would have had opportunity to continue working their defense. I'm curious to see some scenarios of this rule in action next season!

[@billgo4th]

Would be interesting if someone would run back some past top matches and score it with these new rules.

[@YouDontKnow-that]

Not really. Of course one might think it would change final scores...so one might say "oh the other guy (Wrestler B) woulda won with the new 3pt takedown/no ride time rules rules" -- except, well, Wrestler A would change his tactics also. Say in NFL a FG was changed to be worth 4. You can't simply just add 1 point to every FG that was kicked in past games to come up with different winners for the games based on a 4 pt FG. The team that the FG was scored against, would change it's decisions the entire game.

[@johngoodell6800]

Really like all the proposed changes except the 3 point takedown. Takedowns are already twice as valuable as an escape. Awarding 3 points has the effect of reducing the value of being able to prevent your opponent from escaping. It's also less interesting to watch a takedown and immediately the opponent is set free with no wrestling on the mat, which it will encourage, especially where it's not such a gamble (2 points v 1 point) to choose that strategy. A rule change I'd like to see would be to call stalling much more quickly. Pet peeve is watching a "better" wrestler get ahead, then spend tons of time wrestling to a standoff and obviously not trying to score. It'd be a much better wrestling match if that kind of stalling is called very quickly (as quickly as in freestyle to put a wrestler on the clock). Sometimes when the "better" wrestler keeps wrestling, you never know what will happen (ask Real Woods how much one move can cost the favorite).

[@LakeNonaFan]

Riding time is what makes folkstyle, folkstyle

[@mikeyj1983]

Yet only college has it. They'll still have the need for ride-outs in OT though.

[@shealanger]

glad someone else understands there are different styles for a reason. if someone doesn't like folkstyle rules, he/she can just train for freestyle like they do overseas. don't ruin folkstyle by making it too much like freestyle, which to me is an inferior discipline. there's a reason folkstyle wrestlers win more mma matches than other discipline, because it teaches how to control an opponent on the ground.

[@rickyl8111]

No

[@rickyl8111]

​@@shealanger You still get near fall as a reward for control but to pin, not sit on the foot

[@shealanger]

@@rickyl8111 near fall is awarded for just that, nearly earning a fall, not for control. you are conflating 2 entirely different situations.

[@diffgeo23]

We need pushouts.

[@SJ-gk2km]

Did they address limited video review time? It is ridiculous and takes conditioning out of the equation significantly. Also I do not like the 3pt 3sec nearfall. They just made the refs job so much more difficult and their calls will be critiqued much more. We know the count is difficult enough. This will likely cause way more video reviews which is horrible.

[@Lykitysplit]

These are great changes. Definitely going to reward aggression. Well done.

[@schumpert327]

Gonna be weird yelling out 3,,,

[@rrt5000]

We have to watch that folkstyle doesnt become too similar to freestyle. I only like the 3pt takedown down if the takedown is initiated. A counter should be 2. It still incentivises action while still not turning it into a takedown competition. I like the 5 count on the ankle ride. My PSU wrestlers are going to have to change their game. I say keep the riding time point if you eliminate the ankle ride. I like seeing control. And it is difficult to keep someone down. I also love the strategy it creates. Top and bottom are also what separates folk from freestyle and it needs to stay an important part of the sport. There always should have been a 3pt turn. For athlete health, I like the 2hr weigh ins for duals.

[@brianp.mccarthy9829]

If you want real action, then get closer to "freestyle" wrestling scoring rules. Take down - 2 pts., cannot turn opponent - back on your feet. Rewards much more action and skills then "folk style." I agree totally, with doing away with riding time - legalized stalling. Thanks FloWrestling for describing a step in the right direction!

[@papiyou2424]

The Change on the rule for Control of a takedown of person getting the takedown but the defensive spins under to ankle and he is on his back. Just because the wrestler has an ankle and trying to spin behind the offensive man can later get the reversal if he succeeds. Because many wrestlers are almost pinning themselves. The Offensive wrestler needs to be given the points.

[@kevinlabrum8539]

I agree, too many funk moves.

[@trekaychris6263]

Thanks for the update.

[@danstaifer2028]

I don't like 3 point takedown. I like the riding time change

[@murkincl69]

I think that shot clock and point for push out would evolve this sport tremendously . That would stop feeling the nat and wrestling the line and ultimately have wrestlers engaging nonstop itself they will be out in the clock. I like the evolving of the rules

[@IDRUSKI]

Tbh I'm good with the rules how they are. They push action enough, if that's not enough for viewers, then go to freestyle.

[@SportWorld_highlights]

Will these rules come to the high school and grade school level at some point also

[@kevinlabrum8539]

Right!? I like that the high school/folk style wrestling translates to college.

[@AntiPattern328]

After further introspection into the rules, rather than a point for takedown into danger or whatever I suggested, I think a 1 point exposure on the bottom would keep a lot more mat wrestling in the picture. Even keeping the riding time point I think would have been better. I love most of the new rules but I would also like to see some more incentive to wrestling on the mat... That is really what folkstyle is all about and I'm afraid mat wrestling has been neutered a bit too much.

[@npierce14]

I remember when I first found out about riding time I hated up but over the years I understood it and when I saw the change I didn’t like it but from how you explained it totally agree Austin oconner was a beast riding guys but he never worked to turn them he just used his brute strength to hold them down

[@brianwilliams3146]

Excellent proposals.

[@chrisbryan89]

Definitely moving in the right direction. I think these changes will improve the entertainment aspect of college wrestling. Folk style is so much less exciting to watch than freestyle, but I think this will fix that and encourage wrestlers to push the action.

[@lexingtonconcord8751]

I disagree. I enjoy folk style a lot more.

[@michaelmiller4777]

@@lexingtonconcord8751 same ! Freestyle sucks

[@cgmoran91]

Adding 3 with the 2 and 4 point near fall will be a big change. Are they keeping the one pt escape and 2 reversal? That will be a point of contention. So you use to get a takedown and the guy could reverse for 2. 2 and 2. Now one gets a takedown for 3 but gets reversed for 2. Now add in if the guy starts 2 or 3rd period and takes down. He gets a reversal for 2, but never gave up a takedown. Will that be 3 points. Will they need to clarify that. Something like an offensive reversal. If he starts down (meaning choice not down because he was taken down) and gets a reversal. Can he get 3 just like a takedown. Then an defensive reversal. Meaning he got taken down, and then reverse the guy and gets 2. How will this change the escape. How many coaches have yelled "1 not 2" Down guy does he go a a escape for 1 and go for the 3 takedown. If they get rid of the 1 escape will that cause wrestlers to go for the reversal. This mean guys will stay on bottom longer, not worrying about riding time. Then they will work for the 2 reversal, but when your down you risk getting turned for 2, 4 and now 3. If they make all reversals 3 (equal to a takedown) the matt wrestling will change. It will interesting to see Prediction: During the first month of the season some tops guys will lose due to the new rules. Then the coaches will adjust and it will right itself by tourney time.

[@loukosa7738]

Going to just take down wrestling. People that don’t understand the sport don’t will like the changes people that understand what it takes to ride and top wrestle will scratch there heads and ask wtf

[@AntiPattern328]

I think the 3 point takedown is great but would have been happy leaving it with 3 point for taking down to the back or leave the 3 and give an extra for a takedown into danger. Either way, I see these rules changes being great for wrestling!!

[@mark.kendrick]

💯 love these changes!

[@Biker1964]

Hell yeah

[@TWM2975]

The guys you mentioned are merely on the committee. All coaches in the NCAA, regardless of division, have a vote, and are allowed to comment beyond the specific rule changes. Some of the changes spoken about on this video were suggestions from coaches, not vote-able action items we received last month.

[@mattwhite22]

I'm not a fan of "cheap tilts" and racking up the score. Give 1 point for a back exposure and 4 points for a 5 swipe. I think this will help the refs and replays too. The exposure helps reward feet to back moves slightly and also discourage "cheap tilts" in my opinion. Reward exposure but really reward controlling exposure. Also, maybe cap near fall by period or match. Maybe 8 NF per period, 12 NF per match. Again incentivize genuine unsuccessful pinning attempts and pins. More enforcement on top stalling. Keep riding time and no requirement for a turn. 1st top stall lose half riding time, 2nd top stall RT is cut in half again plus bottom is awarded a point, 3rd top stall RT cut in half again, bottom awarded 1 point plus the escape(an additional point). Might have to incorporate RT into bottom stall penalties as well so double stall calls are even. So bottom stall calls would double riding time. Impartial to 2 or 3 point takedowns, but a reversal needs to match a takedown. If takedown and reversal goes to 3 points, stall points need to change to remain and effective deterant. I could even see 3 points for initiated takedown, 2 points for defensive takedown. Push out rule could help with stalling and action. I'd love to see high school and college rules match. If riding time is eliminated this becomes closer to reality. But if riding time is eliminated there needs to be a non-subjective deterant to stalling on bottom.

[@morriskl3]

I agree w these rules im glad the committee has their heads on their shoulders.

[@billsoderholm3125]

In 79-80 NAIA decision(win by 1-7 pts)=3 team points major decision(win by 8-10 pts)=4 team points superior decision(win by 12-14 pts)=5 team points tech fall(15 point differential)=6 team points fall=6 team points Still had riding time TONS of action due to the scoring system.

[@realprop6437]

Three point takedown is horrible. Trying to make Folk into Freestyle. Folk is about good mat wrestling, not rewarding the takedown let up.

[@shealanger]

yeah. i have no problem if someone prefers freestyle, but don't ruin folkstyle because of it.

[@brendan638]

How is this turning folkstyle into freestyle? A TD in freestyle is worth 2 unless back exposure comes with the TD

[@shealanger]

@@brendan638 the scoring isn't the OP's point. other than a couple guys who are hammers on top, no ones really going to try to work on top, when a takedown, let up gives them a 2 pt advantage every time. it's easier to work for a takedown than to work for a turn, so why waste energy trying to turn a guy? mat wrestling is a big part of folkstyle and these proposed rules will indirectly cut down the amount of mat wrestling.

[@brendan638]

@@shealanger I would rather watch more neutral action than a guy ride someone out for a whole period.

[@shealanger]

@@brendan638 and that's cool. i was just trying to explain the OP's point because you asked.

[@ep6305]

Curious How does a reversal work then? If its 3 then it becomes uneven with the 1 pt escape. If its 2 then you can get taken down then reverse and ride and still be down 1pt. 3pt take down makes things assymetrical

[@zman5387]

I like the three point takedown, that I think will up the action.

[@dvdly]

Only doing away with riding time makes sense to me. I get the motivation to increase the action, but mark my words, if they implement a three-point take down, it will not accomplish that. As it stands we see a lot of passivity by both wrestlers on the feet because they fear losing the take down, and another point will do nothing to change that. And, anyway, anyone who still loses after having more take downs should improve from the top position. Folk style is all about being the best in the aggregate, and a complete wrestler has a better chance than someone who is merely dominant in one of the skills. I otherwise think the goal in rules revisions should be to remove referee subjectivity as much as possible from the matches, which fans would support, and new fans would better be able to understand. One thing about freestyle I like is the shot clock. If folk style would implement a version of that in the first period it could look thus: If after two minutes it is still scoreless, split the final minute of the first period with each wrestler being put on a thirty second clock, with one point being awarded in each case to the opponent for a failure to score a take down. No more stalling calls. From top, with no riding time point awarded, the only thing the stalling rider achieves is saving an escape or reversal. Therefore they've done a minimal job and gained no major advantage from the position. No stalling call needed. From bottom, an escape gets you a point. A wrestler with the lead from bottom who wants to stall out the final period should be able to. It's incumbent upon the top wrestler to be able to turn or cut and get more points. If, on the other hand, the bottom wrestler is behind, they need to get out. To prevent the scenario whereby a top wrestler runs the opponent out of bounds repeatedly, award an escape to a wrestler who can stand both of their feet out of bounds.

[@whiteronaldj90]

I like the 3 point takedown change. Other than that I wouldn’t mess with top wrestling. It should be on the guy on bottom to get out. If you get held down for 2-3 minutes in a match you deserve to give up a point. I also hate anything that gives refs further power to call stalling and influence matches. Leads to way too much unnecessary controversy

[@fullmetta2764]

I'm curious to see how it plays out, some of this sounds good and some I don't know yet. Not interested in anything resembling freestyle lite though, which I don't think we're getting close to, yet.

[@poolboyinla]

If they are changing the rules this drastically, they may as well go to catch wrestling.

[@rocket5557]

As someone who never wrestled but is a big fan, why not switch to freestyle rules all together? Legitimate question

[@JH_Phillips]

Dude that’s crazy. Huge change.

[@BasicGestalt]

no reaction time td should remain, rear standing neutral is a dominant controlling position in grappling especially when strangles are allowed (you have the back) so the fact that you have to cut the guy loose upon taking him down because no locked hands folkstyle, the offensive wrestler still deserves his points since he had control before the takedown but had to unlock his hands afterward (cutting the guy loose essentially)

[@zbelair20]

Changing the rules alienates the more casual fan who now has no idea what's going on and has to decide between learning a whole new scoring system/set of rules or watching something else

[@jomama969]

So what’s the deal with reversals? Is combing an escape with a takedown in one fluid sequence still less points than just getting an escape then setting up a takedown? I have never understood the logic in that.

[@ghosty6201]

If you want a takedown tournament, then go to a takedown tournament. Or just change it to freestyle because you're killing the top/bottom game. Why fight for nearfall at that point? Just get good at takedowns, you're just nullifying an entire aspect of folkstyle and thats what made it different. I'm here to watch folkstyle not freestyle/takedown tournament. But seriously why even practice top game at that point? All your efforts in takedowns and I'm not for it

[@davidhurrelbrink6754]

I don’t think they passed the rule about the riding time point. I think they passed everything else he talked about, but as far as I can tell, you can still get the riding time point without near-fall. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong though.

[@danieldickinson9852]

This is great! I'm glad to see riding time go. It is difficult to explain to newcomers and it is a pain for score keepers. High school wrestling doesn't have it. It is also pretty lame to see a match decided by a second or two of ride time one way or the other. I like the 3 point take down as well. Making take downs 3 makes room for adding a step out point down the line. One take down equaling an escape and two step outs seems about right to me. I have seen comments here describe the game of jumping out of bounds before you get scored on as "mat awareness". I disagree. Having a step out point comes with its own mat awareness and incentives action as well. Step out points would make the transition to free style that much easier which is a good thing if we want Americans to do well in international competition.

[@joelhummer4669]

But this is this is not free style though. Doing what ur asking would almost make them the same thing.

[@alancrookston5906]

I like the proposed changes. I wish they would add the push out point in Folkstyle to keep the match in the center. And they need to totally clarify the locking hands reaction time, I have had so many refs to call this inconsistently, after a spectacular throw when they hit, the mat with locked hands to finish the throw most of the time they call, “locked hands” and break up the action and penalize the aggressor., This deincentivizes people from throwing, which is the best part of wrestling let’s be honest. They should allow two seconds of reaction time when they hit the mat from a throw to unlock hands.

[@bryceobaugh6316]

They should leave wrestling alone!!!! Chess has been chess since it was ever a sport.

[@GuyFromSC]

I love the 3 point takedown. Reward the takedown as I never felt 2 escapes should equal a takedown. Bravo NCAA. Offenses will open and no more figure 4 the ankle to hold on. This is gonna be great. High schools need to immediately adopt these same rules as well IMO. 🙏🏼

[@kylarquinn3325]

I'd love to see them adopt the freestyle restart if this doesn't produce the desired result of top guys trying to turn or letting guys go.

[@shealanger]

the freestyle re-start only encourages a guy to stall so he doesn't get turned. so we go from the top guy stalling to the bottom guy balling up?

[@aflashyguy]

the biggest change i would like to see it is flo making monthly subscriptions instead of full year paid upfront

[@MagickArmory]

I love the 3pt takedown but I also think there should be a 2 point for what I call a "non take down takedown " eg when a guy shoots for a leg and the other guy goes over the back to defend and there's a weird scramble and the defending guys just happens to end up behind him " to me that should only be 2 points or maybe even 1 because he didn't actually take anyone down at all thats not worth 3 points imo. Idk Maybe call it a defensive td or something and they only get 1-2 points whereas a actual 3 point td would be a successful shot lift etc

[@zenmar2415]

i am new to watching wrestling , and actually got interested in watching it because of MMA for some reason I love when people just purely dominates an opponent by riding him, even though it is borderline stalling.

[@ianshue2890]

I’m ok with riding time not being a thing anymore, not happy about it, but I’m fine with it. But the 3 point takedown is ridiculous in my opinion. It’s been two points for as long as I can remember (unless of course we’re talking about freestyle), and we’re already struggling to action packed matches, and this rule is only going to increase that. All a guy has to do is get two takedowns, and the as long he only gets taken down once, he wins the match. He could get those takedowns in the first period and stall the rest of the match. I don’t like that change, I think they need to keep it at 2 point takedowns

[@robbiedoshna2485]

I agree with all changes except the3 point takedown. That one is ridiculous

[@WhaleHurricane]

This will make everyone have to wrestle more aggressively. You can't just wait out on top anymore.

[@masoneaglin7545]

Disagree with the premature call rule. A premature takedown call for example, changes how the other wrestler reacts to the subsequent actions. eg. stop defending a shot and turn to escape. If you still award the takedown, when the ref has changed the other wrestler’s reaction with a bad call, you have to wipe the entire sequence because what happens after is affected by the bad call.

[@sketchyhippie]

yeah with the new 3 point takedown rule is a good idea, but also should include 2 pushouts per match each worth 1 point. first person to be completely OOB

[@mattiejitsu]

It’s worth a try but riding someone and keeping them down is not easy. Furthermore, escaping from bottom from someone who is a hammer on top is not easy. Getting ridden, unable to escape, for an entire period grinds you down physically and psychologically. I’m excited to see how it will play out. Wrestling…best sport ever.

[@natestakely1478]

I always felt 2 was not enough and this sounds dumb keeping up with fractions but my idea was 2.5 as it keeps the mat artist still in the fight. 3pts will eliminate all who are not TD artist. You can ride from NY to Scali and it wont matter.

[@kr-qe5xn]

Are reversals from bottom still 2 or also 3 now?

[@llman03]

I think riding time still should apply without the turn. I like the three point takedown. A lot of wrestlers would dominate the match and loose at the very end.

[@joeycisneros9484]

3 point takedown and adding the 3 point NF is great I think. Getting rid of riding time is a terrible idea. Waiting on the push out point

[@boneheadsoutdoors6555]

there needs to be a time limit on the challenges. some of those have been ridiculous.

[@garnettwoody7903]

Not a fan of riding time being eliminated. If this is going to be changed, I would propose after one minute of riding time, the top wrestler being given 1 point for the successful riding time and then both wrestlers being returned to their feet to resume wrestling. The riding time would then be eliminated/dropped back to zero riding time. A wrestler would only be allowed 2 points maximum per match for riding time and, after that, no points would be given. Just my thoughts.

[@DiogenesLantern]

In freeStyle,, it is a minimum of two points for a takedown, and no escape points. When the wrestlers face up after the. Takedown, it is 2-0. Now when the down wrestler escapes it is 3-1. Pretty much the same so what’s the big deal?

[@libertyoutdooradventures6595]

I'm all about rewarding action.

[@olsaltydog8875]

This is the way!!

[@kavika7313]

Refs need to use hand signals properly. Also call the pin before the near fall. Near fall can be counted in your head. A fall is a fall. So many pins lost because the ref standing around waving his hand near fall and not down on the action calling the pin.

[@phillipmccoy8032]

Are they going to get a point for wrestle outs?