The ruthless forking of Terraform

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@Fireship
@Fireship Жыл бұрын
You'd have to be a real degenerate lowlife to click the star button in the top right corner of this repo github.com/opentffoundation/manifesto
@meqativ
@meqativ Жыл бұрын
im a certified real degenerate lowlife
@phoneywheeze
@phoneywheeze Жыл бұрын
definitely not clicking the STAR button
@flexdash
@flexdash Жыл бұрын
⭐ looking real sexy today
@Jhitch19
@Jhitch19 Жыл бұрын
I really hope people don't attack the financial stability of such a small company by doing this 😢
@paradiseexpress3639
@paradiseexpress3639 Жыл бұрын
Wow, my mouse misclicked
@orangejuice732
@orangejuice732 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Jeff. Even though you said Hashcorp went to a BSL a few days ago, I can bring this news to my boss’s attention like I found it on my own.
@dogukan463
@dogukan463 Жыл бұрын
😂
@michaelaramis1210
@michaelaramis1210 Жыл бұрын
Same hehehe
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding move
@rabihchannel
@rabihchannel Жыл бұрын
lol true
@zdrux
@zdrux Жыл бұрын
Gamer move
@rashidxd
@rashidxd Жыл бұрын
When Oracle forked Hudson, claimed rights to the project name, the community forked the project and rename it to opensource Jenkins which is widely used even today. Hudson died long ago.
@soviut303
@soviut303 Жыл бұрын
So you took a terrible project and put it on life support so that everyone can curse the day they had to touch Jenkins?
@xooq_
@xooq_ Жыл бұрын
oh so that's what happened
@soviut303
@soviut303 Жыл бұрын
@@frontrider3240Not sure what you mean, but Jenkins is awful to work with any those who use it either do so out of dire necessity or ignorance.
@ashrasmun1
@ashrasmun1 Жыл бұрын
​@@soviut303 Can you suggest an open source alternative that is better than Jenkins? I'm not trying to be facetious.
@CamiloSantana
@CamiloSantana Жыл бұрын
​@@ashrasmun1I replaced it with spinnaker years back in another company I worked in but they went back to Jenkins because spinnaker takes brains to up and run, however great it may be.
@Viviko
@Viviko Жыл бұрын
It’s hard stay open source when mega corporations just take your work and charge for it without supporting your development.
@Zeutomehr
@Zeutomehr Жыл бұрын
just use a gpl license
@ragreenburg
@ragreenburg Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's the tricky part. Even if they send the occasional PR that sure doesn't help pay rent.
@Kabodanki
@Kabodanki Жыл бұрын
it's hard to stay open source when you have competitors that integrate your product and provide a way better experience with it that you could ever dream of in your wildest dream and with lower price. Did you know that a single successful apply on TF Cloud cost around 4.7$ ?
@vaisakh_km
@vaisakh_km Жыл бұрын
​​@@Zeutomehrgpl doesn't help... gpl allows mega corps to use our code... bsl is not actually open souce, so mega corp can't use it
@FineWine-v4.0
@FineWine-v4.0 Жыл бұрын
​@@KabodankiAGPL
@hisshame
@hisshame Жыл бұрын
Only fireship can make me both laugh and cry out loud about code.
@IngwiePhoenix_nb
@IngwiePhoenix_nb Жыл бұрын
And make you click the star icon at...
@danisob3633
@danisob3633 Жыл бұрын
​@@IngwiePhoenix_nbDONT
@arsengoian
@arsengoian Жыл бұрын
I love how Fireship singlehandedly doubled the amount of stars on a repo in 2 hours
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 Жыл бұрын
The power of true love
@dunkTheFunk
@dunkTheFunk Жыл бұрын
and counting....
@AbdulGoodLooks
@AbdulGoodLooks Жыл бұрын
22k stars as of now
@games4us132
@games4us132 Жыл бұрын
28k stars
@queeniegreengrass3513
@queeniegreengrass3513 Жыл бұрын
29.2k now
@_somerandomguyontheinternet_
@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ Жыл бұрын
Gotta love how Fireship can both make hilarious videos that help me be a better programmer and simultaneously make me want to quit and take up farming.
@breakfast7595
@breakfast7595 Жыл бұрын
Most farmers have to deal with crippling debt due to companies like Monsanto and John Deere. The whole corporatist mindset is ruining everything.
@beatsandstuff
@beatsandstuff Жыл бұрын
@@breakfast7595 He meant a nomad organic farmer. If you (still) have a tech job, it is likely you have enough money to set up your own organic farm anywhere in the world (by that, I mean not in developed countries).
@joshbarghest7058
@joshbarghest7058 Жыл бұрын
@@beatsandstuff Eh; seed monopolies are making even that pretty tough.
@blackjackjester
@blackjackjester Жыл бұрын
Ironically Fireship did just that, except instead of crops, he's farming you.
@meepk633
@meepk633 Жыл бұрын
@@breakfast7595 How many farmers have crippling debt? Does most mean over 50%? What's the threshold for "crippling debt"? Where did you learn about the average financial state of farmers?
@aromaticsnail
@aromaticsnail Жыл бұрын
I prioritize open-source as a user but I can't agree with huge corps taking advantage of open-source code to make Billions and don't even share some breadcrumbs with the developers, one of the major examples being the OpenSSL debacle not that long ago.
@coarse_snad
@coarse_snad Жыл бұрын
Remember that several open source licenses don't allow you to make changes in private. You are required to provide the change you made, thus allowing the project to benefit while still letting you use it for making your money. It's a win-win, with less exploitation.
@lauraprates8764
@lauraprates8764 Жыл бұрын
If they don't want another company taking profit of their work just don't make it foss
@disruptive_innovator
@disruptive_innovator Жыл бұрын
@@coarse_snad yes, people would do well to strongly consider what license they choose at the beginning of a public project as much as say the language or feature scope.
@TheLegendaryHacker
@TheLegendaryHacker Жыл бұрын
This is what the AGPL is for
@himagainstill
@himagainstill Жыл бұрын
Case in point: The "concerned" OpenTF foundation has a public list of pledged supporters who have stated what they're going to do. A couple of companies have said they're going to put money in and even support the cost of hiring full-time devs. Notably, this list has ZERO major cloud platforms on it. Though in fairness it does have the startup who thought "eat open source project maintainer's lunch" was a reasonable business model.
@readysetexploit
@readysetexploit Жыл бұрын
The ending is just a stroke of creative comedic genius 😂
@nitigyajoshi4658
@nitigyajoshi4658 Жыл бұрын
Fireship your ship is on fire
@PouriyaJamshidi
@PouriyaJamshidi Жыл бұрын
One of my open source projects is being commercially used by a very big cloud company. They initially reached out and offered me to do an interview with them, telling me about how they are using my project as well. it was not the right time to take that offer for me but the sad part is, the aforementioned project has not even received a single PR or support from that company. Sadly, open-source is free work for others with little to no return
@dhillaz
@dhillaz Жыл бұрын
That sucks man, what's your project?
@ontheruntonowhere
@ontheruntonowhere Жыл бұрын
@@dhillaz Google Search
@DsiakMondala
@DsiakMondala Жыл бұрын
Imagine working for free
@arkeynserhayn8370
@arkeynserhayn8370 Жыл бұрын
Let me guess, your project was permissive-licensed right?
@anonapache
@anonapache Жыл бұрын
What's your project? Maybe Fireship can get some spotlight on this to have an example of hostile FOSS grieve.
@KevinVandyTech
@KevinVandyTech Жыл бұрын
Fireship is going to be so mad that I went and starred that repo
@knowledgenews5343
@knowledgenews5343 Жыл бұрын
0:27 Correction: MongoDB and Elastic Search are licensed under SSPL, but not BSL.
@Hacking-Kitten
@Hacking-Kitten Жыл бұрын
instructions unclear.. starred the terraform repo
@cherubin7th
@cherubin7th Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining Open Source. Sad that this is now needed after people spreading lies and try to redefine its meaning.
@renanqueiroz2678
@renanqueiroz2678 Жыл бұрын
What is the benefit of true open source if the mega corps are going to make millions out of your work and give you nothing ?
@samgould8567
@samgould8567 Жыл бұрын
It's still open source, just not free software. That's why it's important to use terms like FOSS instead of just "open source".
@lauraprates8764
@lauraprates8764 Жыл бұрын
​@@samgould8567it isn't open source, open source requires you to have no discrimination against some group and/or way to use to software, it's source available not open source
@dejangegic
@dejangegic Жыл бұрын
I support BSL. Otherwise you're just building, maintaining and marketing AWS that you won't see a penny from.
@lauraprates8764
@lauraprates8764 Жыл бұрын
@@dejangegic so don't make it foss, the bullshit license is for dumbasses wanting to take the advantages of their software behaving like foss without the consequence of that, this isn't better than any other proprietary license
@eftihisbotonakis7204
@eftihisbotonakis7204 Жыл бұрын
I’m not even a developer or anything of that sort, in fact I have very little coding experience and sometimes I only understand like 10% of the video, yet I still keep coming back for more!
@pro4v
@pro4v Жыл бұрын
You should try to buy a domain and create a website for fun!
@umeshsonune7018
@umeshsonune7018 3 ай бұрын
Why tf are you here then? To See developer's world burn😂😂
@tontj
@tontj Жыл бұрын
Actually I can relate to what HashiCorp is doing. The same reason why docker change their policy. They are open source to help developers but big mega corp just exploit their kindness. Those big mega corp should help pay the bills of open source project that they use to sell their service.
@coolbugfacts1234
@coolbugfacts1234 Жыл бұрын
Many people outside of Hashi contributed a lot to Terraform, and now Hashi is essentially trying to steal their work. Re-licensing open source projects to try to save a failing business is a bad move and it doesn’t work.
@КириллЛескин-к1ж
@КириллЛескин-к1ж 9 ай бұрын
I was searching for this comment
@hanzofuma
@hanzofuma Жыл бұрын
That's why my trust goes only to the FSF, GNU and the Linux Foundation. I can understand their decision but it hurts especially for projects in production.
@RoonyKingXL
@RoonyKingXL Жыл бұрын
It's so funny to me that the open-source movement is now struggeling with the exact thing that Richard Stallman opposed them for. Which is that "source code availability" (open source) does NOT mean libre software that you have the control over (instead the other way around). Edit: an also nice to see that for big projects at least the community recovers.
@traveller23e
@traveller23e Жыл бұрын
Stallman (along with the FSF) has a way of making himself come across as dislikeable and borderline extremist (the list of linux distros the FSF recommends springs to mind), but in the end he's usually right. I do wish they'd get over the whole Linux naming thing though.
@balala7567
@balala7567 Жыл бұрын
@@traveller23euhhmmhmhmhhm acksueahueahaully it's suposed to be gnu linux because uhhh uhhh uhhh uhhh alpine linux doesn't exist!
@traveller23e
@traveller23e Жыл бұрын
@@balala7567 Lol, I don't even argue based on the contents of the system, I argue based on the principle. Most people know and refer to the system as Linux, Linux is objectively a better-sounding name than any the FSF have suggested, and the idea of naming stuff based on the components is just not how most things work.
@BeefIngot
@BeefIngot Жыл бұрын
I think it makes sense to not be completely open when there is potential for Amazontto just take your hard work and make all the money off of it. I've thought clearly something has to change within open source and I think we're just starting to see the beginning of the massive changes coming to keep massive corps from just taking your work for granted. I get it, and I think its a very complex issue with no super obvious answer.
@Netz0
@Netz0 Жыл бұрын
If it was not Amazon, it would be Google, or Apple...open source is open, or it's not open source at all. If you start to put this sort of restrictions in place, tomorrow you will have more of them slipping in, and that is just proprietary software. Some people are soft on BSL because they are only designed against companies like Amazon and since it does not affect them they are fine, but this is precisely how it starts. It is a commercial restriction in place. If it was not Amazon, they would just create another restriction because the goal is the same, they want to be the only ones making money from the software, which is absolutely and 100% fine, but then just don't call it open source and use a regular commercial license with all the restrictions you want. Open source does not care about how the code is being used. They want it both ways, they want the marketing and benefits of open source while being commercial. This is why they call it the bullshit license.
@TBasianeyes
@TBasianeyes Жыл бұрын
"take your hard work"... right... In the case of Terraform, Hashicorp was only doing the bare minimum for years, they were more of a steering commitee and you can see that by looking at the commit history of the repo. The majority of the work was done by the community and Terraform core isn't even the most important part, it's all the modules which make it useful and those were mostly contributed by the community. Hashicorp wasn't even the first to come up with Terraform Cloud and their product today still is vastly inferior to products which other companies built on top of Terraform because there was a need for it.
@apple_m2_delight
@apple_m2_delight Жыл бұрын
​@@Netz0 "waaah waaah, I want people to do programming for free" that's how you sound like when you said all of this nonsense. if you can't get over the fact that one can enjoy the benefits of open source and proprietary then a wake up call is necessary for people like you. I swear, the open source tribalism is insane. but by all means, keep up with your delusion. no wonder why people moved from open source to bsl/source available. it's people like you who ruin open source
@mikegofton1
@mikegofton1 Жыл бұрын
Damn, this channel is great. Came for the tech, stayed for the humour.
@TomNook.
@TomNook. Жыл бұрын
Blame the big cloud providers for taking away all their business
@CodecrafterArtemis
@CodecrafterArtemis Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I think it's pretty sad that people go to bash the developers over cloud providers who basically undermine the ability of the developers to develop anything.
@gregoryreimer869
@gregoryreimer869 Жыл бұрын
That does tend to be the downside of open sourcing a project. There would have been very little issue if the license had been that way from the beginning, it's the shift that bugs people. Project gets adopted by other companies, name becomes more common place, but they can't capitalize on it because it was built using other companies names in addition to their own. Now they are trying to claw that back. It's their code and their choice, but I get why people would be upset. It's a lot like building a business based on selling on ebay and getting upset that the fees make it unprofitable. Taking the quicker route to getting your name out there tends to have a cost. It might be the right choice for you, it might not but you are far more at the whim of other people when you do that.
@CamiloSantana
@CamiloSantana Жыл бұрын
​@@gregoryreimer869I don't they would have gone as far as they did with terraform if it wasn't open sourced. I know I wouldn't have trusted it. I built everything off terraform and terragrunt
Жыл бұрын
I don't think that major cloud providers care about terraform much, I'm pretty sure that Amazon would prefer if you used CloudFormation as it locks you in their ecosystem much harder then using the aws terraform provider... same with other major cloud providers. I think this is more about platforms that compete with terraform cloud like spacelift as those literaly just take terraform and sell it as a service.
@arakwar
@arakwar Жыл бұрын
@AWS push a lot on their CDK toolkit. It’s easier to use than cloudformation, but is binding you to AWS. Although, since each major c’oud provider have their own tool, moving from one to another isn’t that hard.
@michaeleaster1815
@michaeleaster1815 Жыл бұрын
Also: Lightbend put the Akka framework under a form of BSL in the autumn of 2022. Now, Apache Pekko (a community fork) is an incubator project.
@Spitfire5592
@Spitfire5592 Жыл бұрын
The only thing that surprises me is that terraform went source available before ansible, which is owned by Red Hat
@Gunzy83
@Gunzy83 Жыл бұрын
Lol that made me chuckle
@sheykenasababy
@sheykenasababy Жыл бұрын
I'm actually supportive of this move, although I fear it'll be hashcorp's demise. Massive corporations benefiting from without supporting open source might not violate the letter of open-source but it definitely violates the spirit of open-source in my opinion.
@denimunjas6831
@denimunjas6831 Жыл бұрын
Fireship spreading the good message. Thank you, my friends and colleagues almost clicked on that star button.
@s_oneg
@s_oneg Жыл бұрын
as a Solo Developer. I understood every single bit you said.
@raylopez99
@raylopez99 Жыл бұрын
And byte!
@vaisakh_km
@vaisakh_km Жыл бұрын
And word
@Xaito
@Xaito Жыл бұрын
Never give up, it's possible you'll find your significant other eventually!
@s_oneg
@s_oneg Жыл бұрын
@@Xaito 💀
@raylopez99
@raylopez99 Жыл бұрын
@@vaisakh_km Word!
@detelina9365
@detelina9365 Жыл бұрын
Can you share your github repo link, please? I didn't catch it at the end.
@Nico-qq7xl
@Nico-qq7xl Жыл бұрын
Definitely NOT clicking on the star button
@wafflecodes
@wafflecodes Жыл бұрын
I've been ruthlessly forked a time or two.
@LillyAnarkitty
@LillyAnarkitty Жыл бұрын
We really need more people to support their local venture capitalists. I mean do you see those stock prices? They might have to work for a living!!
@M4rt1nX
@M4rt1nX Жыл бұрын
I knew it. That was the real meaning of forking.
@Lexaire
@Lexaire Жыл бұрын
I contributed to Terraform. Glad to hear I'll be able to collect some royalties for my work!
@shubhamsehgal2336
@shubhamsehgal2336 Жыл бұрын
How are they calculated?
@johntoto5496
@johntoto5496 Жыл бұрын
Do you remember the CLA you signed to submit your PR? That means no money for you, sorry.
@divinecomedian2
@divinecomedian2 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for calling out Rage for the Machine
@jesusjar11
@jesusjar11 Жыл бұрын
Got mixed signals; gotta build a js framework
@RobertBMenke
@RobertBMenke Жыл бұрын
Wing lang looks super promising, wow. Great video as always!
@marceelino
@marceelino Жыл бұрын
that's a good one.
@PratikLawate
@PratikLawate Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this, i had signed the manifesto few days ago and we need more people to do the same
@bigutubefan2738
@bigutubefan2738 Жыл бұрын
HCL is a lot more like Infrastructure as Weird Yaml than Infrastructure as Code. This is the greatest thing that could ever happen to Pulumi!
@spoonikle
@spoonikle Жыл бұрын
Yea… almost like your giving a script to a machine and its filling out parameters and setting up infrastructure based on your instructions… 😂
@Kabodanki
@Kabodanki Жыл бұрын
HCL is more like JSON than YAML
@astroid-ws4py
@astroid-ws4py Жыл бұрын
HCL is more like hydro chloric acid for those following NileRed too.
@JoshWright10
@JoshWright10 Жыл бұрын
HCL looks nothing like YAML.
@AeiousKillhound
@AeiousKillhound Жыл бұрын
probably never heard of terraform cdk dont you? ;)
@brandonheaton6197
@brandonheaton6197 Жыл бұрын
Lmao, lit af. The Code Report may be your greatest work. Keep it up
@bradleystannard3492
@bradleystannard3492 Жыл бұрын
As someone who’s entire career depends on terraform, this has given me a little shock and made me worried. Will see what happens going forward
@ElonTusk..
@ElonTusk.. Жыл бұрын
We will click that star
@Nekoeye
@Nekoeye Жыл бұрын
Just click the star and become a lowlife.
@JoshWright10
@JoshWright10 Жыл бұрын
You should usually be worried if your career depends on a single technology as specific as this.
@_garicas
@_garicas Жыл бұрын
@@JoshWright10 I share a similar thought. But, recently I've been working with Terraform and Infrastructure, and I don't if it's me or what, it looks like you need to reserve a fucking lot of time to work in this area. Understand every bullshit each vendor offers, be it AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, and also dealing with this weird thing called HCL...
@EvilTim1911
@EvilTim1911 Жыл бұрын
I've never used Terraform and I'm not really on the infrastrucure side of things, but surely your skills are transferrable to other technologies? Perhaps you meant to say your job depends on it, not your career
@joshblf
@joshblf Жыл бұрын
I love these kind of videos on this channel. It would be cool to have a “disruptive tech” series with things like this TF Fork and your Gun.js videos.
@stultuses
@stultuses Жыл бұрын
Hashicorp can get 'forked' Tired of seeing greedy companies effectively steal all the contributors time and effort for money and give nothing back. The Open Source model needs modification to ensure whoever copies the code not only makes it available without reservation, but also they have to contribute an increasing percentage of profits back into the projects, the more you make, the more you need to give back. The Open Source models need to enforce symbiotic relationships, not parasitic ones.
@bartlx
@bartlx Жыл бұрын
In a world high on visual input of get-rich-quick-by-doing-tech, it's hard not to sell out. The army of management sharks that comes swimming in as soon as a project gets noticed knows all about this.
@stefanmadsen5605
@stefanmadsen5605 Жыл бұрын
another major problem imo- is that most companies are fine with shelling out abit for tools like iac but over the last 10 years or so and the various clients and companies ive worked for- has for various reasons looked at going even deeper into hashicorp - and looked at the enterprise models. in all cases the ventures were dropped due to hashicorps obscene enterprice prices. its incredibly stupid and shortsighted by them- just loosing money
@andresantana9148
@andresantana9148 Жыл бұрын
Dude your videos are awesome, the memes you use are right in the mark. Keep up with the good work.
@disruptive_innovator
@disruptive_innovator Жыл бұрын
Terraform is out of my wheelhouse but I am a jackass and I have a github account. Time to star a manifesto
@victorpinasarnault9135
@victorpinasarnault9135 Жыл бұрын
Let's search about Wing language.
@seenup6721
@seenup6721 Жыл бұрын
I love these code reports and humours
@alexeycherkashin6251
@alexeycherkashin6251 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for providing OpenTF Manifesto link in the description of the video, so we know where not to click the star button
@lasue7244
@lasue7244 Жыл бұрын
This one seems personal to Fireship
@ytchannelalpha
@ytchannelalpha Жыл бұрын
I clicked on an email with a link from a Nigerian prince asking to help with his money stuck in Switzerland and it caused my browser to click the star button
@hmaina0
@hmaina0 Жыл бұрын
I like the way you make emphasis about not to star the opentf github repo 😂
@zenmaster24
@zenmaster24 Жыл бұрын
pulumi must be loving this, but i have seen a number of shops moving away from terraform to cdk for aws.
@calebvaccaro
@calebvaccaro Жыл бұрын
Please do a Wing video, thanks. Great video
@MrAjiii
@MrAjiii Жыл бұрын
I neevvverrr click suggestions to projects but when Fireship sends.. let's gooo
@slowdownex
@slowdownex Жыл бұрын
So I would totally go and star that repo, but this time, I kind of actually agree with them a little bit... I'm so sorry my friends. I know that this is a betrayal, but I cannot help it.
@MrDownSauce
@MrDownSauce Жыл бұрын
I work exclusively with Azure, so I make all my ARM templates with Bicep and that is 100% because I like the play on words
@Komeuppance
@Komeuppance Жыл бұрын
How many CURLs do you do per session?
@shreejal
@shreejal Жыл бұрын
Babe wake up new fireship video just dropped
@filipstudeny
@filipstudeny Жыл бұрын
*Terraform is money hungry* The community: "The revolution has begun"
@FireFox64000000
@FireFox64000000 Жыл бұрын
Never piss off a programmer. They can build something that you do not understand to violate you in a way you wish you still didn't understand.
@fabiolean
@fabiolean Жыл бұрын
Watch out or they're going to... FORK YOUR GITHUB PROJECT That'll teach'em 😎
@FireFox64000000
@FireFox64000000 Жыл бұрын
@@fabiolean invalidate your money making strategy and aim to bankrupt your company.
@randoguy7488
@randoguy7488 Жыл бұрын
When I'm in a competition by providing an inferior product and my opponent is an Unironically best visible in the Minecraft modding scene. Forge devs moved to make Fabric, some Fabric devs moved to make Quilt, some Forge devs moved to make NeoForged. Or MultiMC forked to make PolyMC, PolyMC forked to make PrismLauncher
@charlesbcraig
@charlesbcraig Жыл бұрын
Yup. A potential vendor insulted me with their installation fee so I wrote my own version of what they do just to spite them.
@FireFox64000000
@FireFox64000000 Жыл бұрын
@@randoguy7488 It's been awhile since I've looked at Minecraft mods Someone killed forge? Can I get a hallelujah!!!! The guy that ran that was insufferable.
@jovi-_-i
@jovi-_-i Жыл бұрын
Love this channel. Keep doing what you're doing good sir
@matthewboyer4212
@matthewboyer4212 Жыл бұрын
I don't really have a problem with proprietary software and especially not with source-available software, but don't go from open source to source available. That's just dumb.
@asherrfacee
@asherrfacee Жыл бұрын
I met the founders of Hashicorp. They are inspirational and great guys. It’s easy for you to talk shit as an arm chair programmer but they spent years trying to make open source business work and unfortunately it doesn’t.
@taxevasionspecialist
@taxevasionspecialist Жыл бұрын
Options for an open source project owner: 1- Bend over for jeff bezos so that aws can make millions off of your project which you've put thousands of hours for years. Never be able to monetize your product and die in poverty. 2- Choose a more protective license while making nerds online absolutely SEETHE for some reason.
@disruptive_innovator
@disruptive_innovator Жыл бұрын
tell me you don't understand OSS without saying you don't understand OSS. (specifically the "SEETHE for some reason" part. There's some reason even if you don't like it.)
@PinballCollection
@PinballCollection Жыл бұрын
3rd (nuclear) option. Use the GPL so no one makes money on anything
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe Жыл бұрын
@@PinballCollection AWS makes a *lotÜ* of money on GPLed MySQL via RDS and Aurora.
@IgalZeifman_me
@IgalZeifman_me Жыл бұрын
"die in poverty"? Hashi is a 5+ billion-dollar company.
@taxevasionspecialist
@taxevasionspecialist Жыл бұрын
​@IgalZeifman_me That's an exception, not the rule. See marak (fakerjs) for example.
@forntoh
@forntoh Жыл бұрын
He really wants us to star the repo 😂, what a nice way of asking.
@laptopuser5198
@laptopuser5198 Жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see the github star increase today from the Fireship effect.
@JohnCF
@JohnCF Жыл бұрын
This video doesn’t say the whole story. It should be emphasized that almost all commercial uses of Terraform is still allowed!! As long as you’re not providing a competitive service such as Terraform Cloud (or any other product or service of theirs), Terraform can be continued to be used like before.
@PeidosFTW
@PeidosFTW Жыл бұрын
These open source products should just have an open source license thats based on the revenue of the company, like that Facebook llm
@astroid-ws4py
@astroid-ws4py Жыл бұрын
Same as Unreal Engine.
@lauraprates8764
@lauraprates8764 Жыл бұрын
Facebook's llm isn't open source, the own OSI told about that, to be open source you must not discriminate to any use of your software, and having different rules for different groups violates this principle, so they are not open source but rather source available
@PeidosFTW
@PeidosFTW Жыл бұрын
@@lauraprates8764 I think that discriminating against large corporations and demanding them to pay up doesn't make something not open source. It's just basic survival measures in a capitalist system. Like, is it really not open source just because Google and other five similar companies can't use it for free?
@lauraprates8764
@lauraprates8764 Жыл бұрын
@@PeidosFTW open source isn't about free of charge, open source is about users freedom to do whatever they want with their software without being prohibited or being limited because they are one specific group (in this case is a company, but this apply to anything and anyone), making your source behave like oss for some users and for others it isn't don't make your software as oss
@lauraprates8764
@lauraprates8764 Жыл бұрын
And it isn't like they were robbed by the big companies, if it wasn't by their product initially being foss no one would even heard about them, they wouldn't have a good, stable and widespread software without it being initially foss, that's the tradeoff, they make profit on top of the others' work and those others can make profit on top of their works. Saying it again, if you don't like this model just don't enter it, but don't expect of ppl supporting you after you take their freedom while they made your software being relevant
@freeideas
@freeideas Жыл бұрын
I can understand open source creators and contributors feeling cheated when giant companies use the product without paying the creators even a penny nor a shout-out, but... Open source still makes sense for all of us. The idea is a few of us make something that we need, a few more of us help test it, a few more of us help maintain it, and we all have something nice that we can use. Bonus: it seriously and significantly makes the world a better place. REALLY... imagine what the world of software would be like if open-source didn't exist. OMG
@koalakakes
@koalakakes Жыл бұрын
a bunch of companies who made and sold their own product wrapper of terraform and are mad that all of a sudden they might have to pay for it
@traveller23e
@traveller23e Жыл бұрын
Lol, with luck they'll just form a consortium centering around a new open-source fork of it and keep that going forward as the mainstream version. Once enough people are on board, free software finds a way. There's a reason Linux is still around when you'd be hard-pressed to find a direct descendant of the original Unix systems.
@thedragonrises6882
@thedragonrises6882 6 ай бұрын
​@@traveller23e "The reason Linux is still around..." yeah that reason is called Google & Microsoft "You'd be hard-pressed to find a direct..." FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD don't exist right?
@Pratik2588
@Pratik2588 Жыл бұрын
we should all campaign for these cloud providers to share profits with these open source companies
@ahsantahseen6531
@ahsantahseen6531 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if this happens to OpenStack.
@Dethred1
@Dethred1 Жыл бұрын
Crazy right? You'd still be able to use it, but you wouldn't be able to steal it and use it to put the original developers of OS on the streets. So crazy.
@ahsantahseen6531
@ahsantahseen6531 Жыл бұрын
@@Dethred1 Well I do think some might have been working on their own closed source of OpenStack but it doesn't have that much developers in the market currently. Many of them still rely on the contributor for patching.
@GaelMathews
@GaelMathews Жыл бұрын
Love this channel. Keep doing what you're doing good sir. Love this channel. Keep doing what you're doing good sir.
@ftamas88
@ftamas88 Жыл бұрын
Make sure not to click on the Star button
@sectionsixty4020
@sectionsixty4020 Жыл бұрын
I dont code, but you are so pleasant to listen to
@bulbousdude
@bulbousdude Жыл бұрын
Currently refreshing the manifesto page and seeing all those stars skyrocket 🚀
@astroid-ws4py
@astroid-ws4py Жыл бұрын
Programmers should not simply allow everyone to use their code without a compensation or a payment, We also have to a pay for living so I see no problem with those strategies.
@_Jayonics
@_Jayonics Жыл бұрын
But that's why terraform cloud exists. Terraform cloud being an ecosystem and enhancement of the tool you can install on anything. That is a good strategy... Closing the licensing freedom on an open source product when it's big and heavily dependended on enough to do so is a rugpull. That is monopolistic behaviour.
@aArcziMetin2
@aArcziMetin2 Жыл бұрын
This is such a cringe statement. Imagine using it for years in production BECAUSE it was open source to hear this bs.
@timerertim
@timerertim Жыл бұрын
@@aArcziMetin2 It is still as open source as ever from a software perspective. The only things that has been changed is the monetization aspect, so everyone who did not use it solely because it was free should not have major problems with the change.
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe Жыл бұрын
I hope you "eat your own dog food" and only use software that you payed for in one form or another. Or are you maybe applying double standards here?
@TheProSail
@TheProSail Жыл бұрын
@@timerertim "open source" has a very clear definition and their licensing change makes it no longer open source. And HashiCorp admits it too, they're calling it "source available" as well.
@ross4814
@ross4814 Жыл бұрын
I can see Guilfoyle leaning back in his chair, "hell yeah brother, burn it down."
@GreyDeathVaccine
@GreyDeathVaccine Жыл бұрын
the runner with the gun made me laugh to tears
@freakinhippie
@freakinhippie Жыл бұрын
That's a clip from The Dictator.
@manm5302
@manm5302 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up, I will avoid clicking on the star button on the right corner of the manifesto page
@Nonsense116
@Nonsense116 Жыл бұрын
I actually support hashicorp. While open source is super awesome, I'm also tired of big tech just copy-pasting other tools/features and making millions off it. We need more competition in technology and the only way that will be able to happen is if companies can build cool stuff without other much more massive companies stealing it with no problem.
@hartmutholzgraefe
@hartmutholzgraefe Жыл бұрын
Problem is that nobody really would have used Vagrant in the first place if it had not been under an open license, and HashiCorp would never have been founded out of that early success ... So this is basically a "F. you, early adaptors that got us started ..." message, even if it wasn't meant to be ...
@lauraprates8764
@lauraprates8764 Жыл бұрын
I have a solution, don't make it foss, mind blowing, right?
@mihaitha
@mihaitha Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the warning Fireship, I will definitely not go to the repo URL you provided in order to click the star button on the top right corner!
@OctagonalSquare
@OctagonalSquare Жыл бұрын
I think Open Source needs a bit of a change legally. We need a way to make sure other people can’t paywall your code and make money off it
@Dethred1
@Dethred1 Жыл бұрын
No that's the whole point, others do the work, you refine it and make all the money. That's why idiots make videos like this when they lose the ability to leach off your work.
@OctagonalSquare
@OctagonalSquare Жыл бұрын
@@Dethred1 that’s not the whole point of open source. Quit being an idiot. There’s too much free information out there to be this dumb
@maarten1012TTT
@maarten1012TTT Жыл бұрын
Already we have a few companies that are requiring us to switch to the fork
@TheReconditeAlchemist
@TheReconditeAlchemist Жыл бұрын
Add TipTap to that list of rug pulling Kansas City License Shuffle - but German style so they did it to the devs who were contributing money “support”. If I want to use the features I funded to build - that will cost $999 per month instead of $20 now. Literally.
@Dethred1
@Dethred1 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the 10 year rug pull to reach profitability by removing leaches. Classic, gets them every time.
@TheReconditeAlchemist
@TheReconditeAlchemist Жыл бұрын
@@Dethred1 by removing leaches? Hm I sure hope you’re not part of the business enterprise that is TipTap are you.. you sound like one. Must check into that… In the meantime, as to your condescending, and generally inaccurate comment - everything in life is not boolean logic. And while I don’t presume to speak for Jeff, from my personal experience, you don’t have to step on the backs of developer patrons (aka leaches) in order to be profitable. Additionally, as for leaches, I know you were trying really hard to prove a point by conjuring up the most degrading terminology your brain could think up but you you fell short on that account too. Leaches are a symbiotic creature, and while they do drink blood of a host, they also provide many benefits. Probably why they have been used in medicine for all of recorded history and still are used today around the world. So to recap your comment is myopic, factually inaccurate, and generally adds nothing of value to the conversation because of this. With the noteable exception of clearly proving you’re about as thoughtful, intelligent, and well educated as the Koala Bears that run Tiptap. (*see what I did there, I used an animal like you did but in my case it makes sense, feel free to google to try and understand why…) Anyway, take a couple breaths and try your insult again. But really think it through this time - I believe that you could do better… or maybe I’m wrong, what do I know, I invested in TipTap 😑
@TheReconditeAlchemist
@TheReconditeAlchemist Жыл бұрын
@@Dethred1 sorry that was not fair… you’re never going to figure it out… I said Kola Bears because they are ostensible cute and your like wow that’s the coolest bear ever! That is until you realises they are not smart creatures, slow to the point of painful, can only do one thing at all, and carry STDs are a species. Again sorry for assuming you could use google to divine that on your own…
@azulamazigh2789
@azulamazigh2789 Жыл бұрын
now we need video about Wing.
@monstajoedev
@monstajoedev Жыл бұрын
Nothing like the ultimate race of corporate greed smh
@toxaq
@toxaq Жыл бұрын
Greed? They’re not even profitable and you expect to use their product for free?
@monstajoedev
@monstajoedev Жыл бұрын
@@toxaq no but I expect them to give a decent free tier
@toxaq
@toxaq Жыл бұрын
@@monstajoedev it's open source. You can do what you want with it for free.
@monstajoedev
@monstajoedev Жыл бұрын
Not anymore apparently
@toxaq
@toxaq Жыл бұрын
@@monstajoedev Everything to date is still covered by that license. Just future improvements aren't. Hence the OpenTF fork.
@Player1GamingChannel
@Player1GamingChannel Жыл бұрын
It went from 4.6k stars to 15k stars in 7 hours. Rip your stocks.
@marceelino
@marceelino Жыл бұрын
ah yes, stars that have no value. Rip.
@dumbozo
@dumbozo Жыл бұрын
who else hasn't ever heard terraform?
@mchawesren
@mchawesren Жыл бұрын
Jump ship if your company doesn't use iac man
@aleksanderhr.fredro8407
@aleksanderhr.fredro8407 Жыл бұрын
@@mchawesren iac can also be done wrong man. Some people think ansible is a programming language and stuff
@bad-at-art-games
@bad-at-art-games Жыл бұрын
you made me laugh so hard at the github plug :D love your videos, you da best mr. Fireship
@ethanmcrae
@ethanmcrae Жыл бұрын
Solid ending 👌 your videos are never bland 🔥
@rato_gordo
@rato_gordo Жыл бұрын
Nice video, continue thus series for sure. Yeah BSD. Went for OpenBSD in test machine, otb wi-fi and everything wuite surprised.
@AshishDha
@AshishDha Жыл бұрын
genius! loved the ending especially :)) thanks!
@krellin
@krellin Жыл бұрын
its vert simple, fork it and keep the open source version going, and if its really good/useful project it will grow faster than any one corporation on its own developing it...
@eduardog3000
@eduardog3000 Жыл бұрын
The OSI's definition of open source is the real problem. Preventing large corporations from profiting off of (and potentially doing bad things with) your work for absolutely free is cool and good actually. But also isn't that why we have the term FOSS? They just switched from a "free and open source" license to an "open source" license.
@ParaPsychic
@ParaPsychic Жыл бұрын
can you do a video on Salesforce? I've been looking for "what" videos and nobody has a good answer. Your format explains things better
@indian_otaku2388
@indian_otaku2388 Жыл бұрын
Well that was the best ad for starring a github repository ive ever seen.
@ravitejasikhakolli
@ravitejasikhakolli Жыл бұрын
It's not easy to change legacy terraform code and replace with Ansible. Though we can use it for now till OpenTF available
@marlopainter8246
@marlopainter8246 Жыл бұрын
I always thought I was a degenerate, but I never had time for those online quizzes. This `one question` test was what I needed. Thanks for verifying what I already thought was true. I'm a degenerate.
@ChristopherEsplin
@ChristopherEsplin Жыл бұрын
Thanks for protecting VCs!
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