The Sad Truth About Men vs Women And Red-Pill Contradictions

[@destiny]

Hope you enjoy this type of Destiny content. If you're interested in more, check out Destiny's Blackpill Moment ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2q3kJajn62mf80 Stolen Timestamps Click▼ 00:00 - Teaser/Intro 00:40 - Introduction 03:01 - Cheating Discussion 05:38 - What do most men want from women besides sex? 06:54 - Name one great characteristics your GF has that you wish American women would have? 09:52 - Do you believe that most women want bad men? 14:26 - What is your opinion about Hypergamy? 21:28 - They Hypocrisy of Red Pill/Manoshpere Men 24:28 - What are subtle non-sexual things women can do that will make a man think about her when she's not around? 29:28 - Avoiding the “sex bucket” for women 36:23 - Suggestions for women and men with low-esteem 39:36 - Advice For Women Who See RED FLAGS Early In The Relationship 44:14 - Should women bring emotional baggage from past relationship to their current relationship? 48:32 - Name 3 types of personalities (or characteristics) that men prefer in most women? 51:59 - Are women in a better position to find a suitable mate or a worst position? 52:25 - Should men cater to the ALPHA/BETA Label? 54:06 - What are some red flags that men should never ignore in a woman? 59:34 - Guys dating women with low self-esteem and Women dating abusive men 1:00:58 - Give 5 questions all men should ask women they vet for a long term relationship. 1:04:07 - How can men improve their observation of women? 1:10:41 - Who has the highest priority? Your Bros or Your Girlfriend? 1:13:12 - What is the solution to the current INCEL problem? 1:21:06 - Nice Conservatives 1:23:39 - The Police 1:27:38 - If you can give any advice to young males between the ages of 14 - 21 what would it be? 1:29:35 - Advice for people who use dating apps?

[@sleepykeys4007]

One way to change your self worth/etc is a discipline. Military, martial arts, etc. Worked for me anyway

[@ll4ves457]

Thats legit my favorite destiny video

[@nickm3694]

put the timestamps in the description so that youtube can automatically apply them to the video player

[@treyt7914]

just a heads up the link to Trees channel is a 404

[@nicmoo588]

This was really cool Editor, thanks

[@Petemeister22]

Good to see Destiny meeting new people after his messy divorce from Vaush.

[@ferbyfurben9640]

hahahahs

[@theprofesionalist7927]

It's also gud to see two black women get together and discuss the real problems.

[@bucketpizza5197]

TreeOfLogic has been talking to destiny for years.

[@seanmundyphoto]

@@bucketpizza5197 woosh

[@papachunks1995]

😂😂😂

[@Amonfobious]

i reember this woman as being batshit insane politically but an insanely fun person this should be good

[@Eorzat]

Honestly, that's how it often seems to pair up lol.

[@Chronicallyhere_09]

Just want to say… Reember

[@xNinjamodx]

@@Mhinqa Nah you bugging she definitely a baddie for her age

[@Tocinos]

It's 2021 most people are insane politically

[@bigo1242]

@@darkriku234 📸

[@Pharomid]

There's no dgg chat and we've lost nothing of value.

[@ReeYuuJee]

True

[@user-zv7yb4yp9g]

what’s a dgg chat

[@makkapetanovic6838]

True

[@aleshawashington2919]

Tree interactions are honestly so fun compared to the typical agonizing shit we're used to, hopefully more to come

[@yerhing6406]

I would say the two first debates are both agonizing and fun

[@Dino_Pony]

@@Pllayer064 bruh

[@woah3108]

That’s what i’m saying!!!

[@blakebatchelor1739]

@@Pllayer064 cringe as hell

[@user-jy2sj4ed4i]

@@blakebatchelor1739 What did they say? It's been deleted now

[@snakemyre80]

I fucking love this woman, she's so engaged in a conversation and willing to give ground in a conversation.

[@CarterDarter]

People who understand their own limitations or lack or knowledge earn lots of respect imo

[@TCVB491]

Sounds like you just found out about TOL. Lol

[@ishizukahikaru643]

Thats because u can have a decent conversation with anybody from the center to the right. Go in the opposite direction and you get lunatics with brains smaller than a peanut.

[@Ridistrict]

Destiny is at his best doing a general discussion over day to day life rather than political topic after political topic. I live his hot takes but he's such a fun guy when it's an interview. Happy less stressed destiny is bestiny.

[@handsomebear.]

He's at his best when he's tip-toing around obvious observable realities like a lot of women are attracted to the "bad boy" stereotype and presenting it like "they just like to joke around" lmao.

[@masonwoioioi9854]

@@handsomebear. spoken like a real incel there buddy

[@handsomebear.]

@@masonwoioioi9854 me incel me so mad grrrr ';..;' Got any other adhominems while you're at it, or is the copium making your mind too dizzy to think clearly? ( ;

[@QuinnArgo]

@@handsomebear. damn you're protective lmao

[@handsomebear.]

@@QuinnArgo How do you mean? Edit: Ahh, you meant defensive I guess?

[@badusername141]

I really like the bit on casual relationships and emotions. It's somehow comforting to hear even Destiny can get a bit lost in stuff like this.

[@jluzin]

Tree drives me fucking crazy sometimes, but i really appreciate her ability to leave shit at the door. Her chats with steven are usually really fun snd this is no different.

[@jvtc]

Steve. Your point about men having a ranking system, and women having 2 "buckets" was dead-fucking-on, well put.

[@Hrydra]

nono, me and my buddies have gotten to the point we have found the rating system to be arbitrary because one of my buddies would always feel bad about the women and rate them higher than what they are. We then started the system of 1's and 0's. 1 you would, 0 you wouldn't.

[@onionboy5673]

@@Hrydra sorry to tell you, but you and your buddies are women

[@soakupthenoise]

Nah I'm a woman and I have a ranking system. There's guys I would date, guys I would fuck but not date, guys I wouldn't even fuck, guys I would leave my current boyfriend to date, etc.

[@LipSyncLover]

seriously. can confirm

[@cosettapessa6417]

@@LipSyncLover loool

[@TheStrix]

I'm someone who has struggled with very low self esteem and suicidality throughout my preteens, teens, and early 20s. I could be outgoing, but I was very insecure and would go back and forth between those extremes. It's gonna sound boring, but the answer for me was therapy, medication, and building habits slowly but steadily. It's only by doing good or productive things more consistently that you learn to convince yourself that you're fine the way you are and there's no reason to hate yourself or second guess yourself so badly. You start to take more chances, and then get desensitized to little failures and start to realize there is more to gain than to lose by trying things. Nothing works for everybody, but the change comes in every little step. I hope this helps someone, because it was hearing it that helped me start to let go of my worst cognitions.

[@Jalmerk]

Thank you

[@TheStrix]

@Kyle Zonneveld ALWAYS follow the instructions of a psychiatrist, obviously. For me, it was taking effexor (venlafaxine) daily, and Adderall tablets as needed. I have since slowly transitioned to only Adderall as needed, but have not taken it in months. Just make sure to talk to your doctor and always make your changes slowly so the effects have time to show.

[@halabowsky]

Yes!

[@cunt5413]

That's pretty close to my experience. The swings between the two extremes are so fucking stark and debilitating.

[@grenouillesscent]

This is my story but mid-twenties and still pretty bad. I’ve been trying and failing repeatedly since 18. The only things good habits I have managed to build so far is good sleep everyday and quitting weed. All my other vices beat the shit out of me and I have shit self esteem. I have tried over and over, and the constant fear and pain of trying to go against my nature for months at a time always wears me back down to where I started. And pieces of shit who had naturally confidence since they were children will just call you lazy for failing to obtain what was gifted to them.

[@bryanarchy5824]

she’s a good example of someone i would disagree with on everything but would enjoy being around

[@kylesmith2379]

She is my favorite anti-hero in the Destiny extended universe

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

@@kylesmith2379 I read the fan-fiction where Destiny and her get shipped. 10/10 not disappointed.

[@Juuk-D]

@@shin-ishikiri-no Shipped? Lol that's nothing, you should see the version on the dark web!

[@eneiban6503]

@@Juuk-D all this talk but no sauce O_O

[@Juuk-D]

@@eneiban6503 ?

[@GreenThumbFreedom]

To go from the OG tree of logic convo's to this talk, is a total mindfuck.

[@ChemicalTen]

It really is.

[@Xairos84]

I like these sorts of checks to remind me that people can be all over the place in terms of representation. a reality check if you will.

[@ryanwilliams9712]

Was watching their old debates a few weeks ago where she is screaming that he's a "bitch made pussy beta"

[@kaktus_king0122]

@@ryanwilliams9712 lmao

[@GreenThumbFreedom]

@@ryanwilliams9712 yeeeeea dude lmfao. I just listened to them like last month, and I thought to myself, this is the most insufferable woman I've ever listened to. The whole conversation about gun accuracy made me want to kill myself

[@ryanwilliams9712]

The most unexpected friendship ever. Love to see it

[@DoubleO88]

Conservative arc coming soon 😂

[@ryanwilliams9712]

@@DoubleO88 Maybe he'll be a killstream host next year (Jk obviously but I don't trust commenters)

[@seph---]

Tree is smart 😉

[@GuyCN]

Frenemies 2

[@ryanwilliams9712]

@@GuyCN Hopefully minus the pizza breakups

[@aWildNelby]

It’s weird hearing Tree like this; I’ve only ever heard her freaking out arguing. I like the relaxed, not so crazy version.

[@nikobates6897]

Huh, I wonder why her and Steve seem to get along? Is there something about Destiny’s character that she would find her agreeable, or is there some hidden lore?

[@greyblob1101]

@@blondymonk1535 conservatives dont feel the need to moralize everything like leftists do, one of the few good things about them.

[@Psyshimmer]

@@greyblob1101 whereas 60 years ago conservatives would be moralizing literally everything. what a paradigm shift we're going through

[@fabiobalassia]

@@Psyshimmer To a certain extent they still are, eg on issues like abortion

[@SerrationV]

@@blondymonk1535 Unless your gay or trans or even an atheist...

[@thecringesaltawardcompany1818]

as soon as I saw the Israel mug all I could think of was “In fact, I have a little bit of Jew in me right now”

[@MoreMonarchy]

Do you remember what she calls Dan though?

[@hugonamenlos7218]

@@MoreMonarchy dem juice

[@simondelasheras8465]

Mike Stoklasa: only when you are in the ``ManHole´´

[@DKJonez]

"you know, im somthing of a jew myself."

[@Bizarro69]

LMFAO

[@andrew66769]

Treeoflogic went from ironically being my favorite to unironically being my favorite. The character development is insane.

[@leemakin2369]

Trust me, there is no character development. Just a rebrand, she's still the same toxic person. Don't buy into the rebrand

[@kjk607]

She hasn't changed bro. If anything, you just probably changed.

[@user-jy2sj4ed4i]

Character development? I guess insane is the right word.

[@divinehero7800]

Bruh wtf, this is actually a really good conversation. Where was this TreeofLogic??

[@snowy-g9p]

tree on this specifically is dece but on like 90% of political issues is just so dumb.

[@lonestar3099]

She's like this with all her interviews.

[@stovespiegel]

Man, the debates with her were infuriating but this is strangely wholesome

[@leemakin2369]

Just remember, this is just her trying to rebrand, she's still toxic when the camera's off. Don't buy into the rebrand

[@clutchcal0578]

@@leemakin2369 you see her when the cameras off⁉️

[@leemakin2369]

@@clutchcal0578 had a convo with her where she sexually harassed me and then covered it up. But if you're into sexual harassment, go ahead and have a convo with her

[@TheFamousMockingbird]

@@leemakin2369 it's frightening that she was a police officer, especially considering she was a dom after that. The crossover for being in positions to inflict pain and control over people couldn't stand out more. Adding that you've been sexually harassed by her just goes full triad on her being a fairly antisocial person

[@italianwaffle5592]

@@TheFamousMockingbird Yo so we got proof?

[@Fenpai]

Just casually takes a sip from her Star of David mug, just killed me 🤣

[@zach_streams]

I just passed that part 😂

[@svnihilist1202]

The sexual tension when Destiny said he likes crazy women.

[@pengwin_]

i genuinely think that ToL thinks Destiny can get it.

[@georgia8670]

@@pengwin_ im dying rn but i think youre right

[@stendaalcartography3436]

I am really digging this chill vibe. After that recent debacles with Vaush, I can appreciate the shift in tone. Good work.

[@birkheadc]

"I wish I would have played like, a little less World of Warcraft" I feel attacked

[@vegbeg9170]

Same. I regret nothing though

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

lol

[@s.kurosawa8958]

Didn’t expected this to be such a great conversation! Really wholesome!

[@genjigrant795]

I caught that laugh when she pulled up the Israel cup 🤣

[@sydneemikumuren9812]

I find Destiny's position on knowing a person by living together interesting. It seems like living together is a very stressful thing for many couples because you get to see how they really are I guess. Many people tend to put on their best faces and as Destiny says you get shielded from what they are like on bad days, bad moods, etc. My opinion is that moving in together tends to be an issue because most people never really get to know each other very well to begin with. Most people just date people they like to have fun with. Guess what though, just because someone is fun does not mean: they are compatible with you romantically hold the same values as you hold the same morals as you have the same preferences on a number of things Those are things that can make or break a relationship imo. For example, if you are a very tidy person chances are you want to be with someone who can respect that and not be a complete slob. Otherwise you'll probably fight if you live together about things like chores or cleaning. In my case, my fiance and I are compatible in this aspect because he helps with a few chores(taking out the trash and helping with laundry from time to time), but we have an understanding about who does what. I would like to be a homemaker and eventually stay at home mom, so early on before we moved in together I made this VERY CLEAR. I'm not going to move in with someone and then ask if they can accommodate me.

[@SkeleTonHammer]

Most people don't date anymore, period, because by and large it's almost impossible to get a woman to actually leave the house and go on a date. Chatting over the dating site has now completely replaced actually meeting in person and it's infuriating as someone who just wants to go on a date. So this problem of not seeing how someone really is, it's only getting worse, because you can't even PHYSICALLY MEET anymore.

[@TonyBagadonuts]

This was so pleasant and interesting. I’ve never heard Tree so likable and it’s really cool to hear Steven talk in depth about stuff that’s not politics or philosophy. Great interview, Tree 👍🏼👍🏼

[@wildfyre-music]

I struggled with my self esteem for years, and I had a lot of severe depression (residual from past trauma and being bullied a lot). For me, the way to building up my self esteem was through accomplishments. I set out goals, some of them subconsciously, and as I achieved them I started to realize I COULD do the things I wanted to. It's a series of stepping stones, and each success builds out the pathway to the next one

[@GiGi-yk4xn]

I feel the exact same way! In high school I had terrible self esteem and thought I would never amount to anything. Once I started achieving goals and building a good life for myself I realized the potential I always had and that I could keep improving! Best of luck to you

[@Eunos_FD3S]

She drives me nuts but she’s def a favorite feature. Coming from a conservative

[@charlesmiv3842]

You’re a conservative? Why are you even here?

[@duncanbug]

@@charlesmiv3842 Maybe to listen to different perspectives and expand their thinking? Or just for entertainment? Geez

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@duncanbug Listen to destiny dunk on conservatives all day? Interesting thing to do as a conservative lol

[@joeldixton5627]

@@charlesmiv3842 I'm pretty far left and I watch destiny, left wing and right wing channels, it keeps me grounded and stops me from making brain-dead dipshit leftie bubble arguments where noone even has the same language definitions

[@josiahclarke3535]

@@joeldixton5627 That's a pro gamer move, man. One I try to make as well.

[@billdobbing1999]

TreeOfLogic finna radicalise me with them milkers

[@firesong7825]

These two have fantastic friendship chemistry.

[@janold0808]

I really enjoy the chemistry between the two! I'd be happy to see more of these convos.

[@takeshii]

Ive been watching destiny for a long time, and I have to say that this interview is packed with good life advice for people looking to get into serious relationships. People would pay money to hear the stuff hes preaching.

[@kaisquared3867]

that title was so clickbaity, this was actually really fun to listen to. a quote i remembered that relates to the video: when you feel you hate everyone, it is probably time to eat, and when you feel everyone hates you, it is probably time to sleep

[@TheRobMr]

Loved the part about your significant other thinking you choosing something over them is devaluing them. This so true, and what I did to go over this hump (I'm a gamer who loves the outdoors...allergies are a pain) is I got my partner into gamming. This was about 3 years into our relationship and in some ways she's become a bigger gamer than me, but the beauty was she understood it's just a hobby and we play games together. Couldn't ask for anything bette as it brought us closer together. For me a partner or significant other should be like a confidant or PIC. It'd cheesy but if you're gonna marry them it should be a fun experience.

[@TheJohn9793]

This was a great conversation and I'm glad we had it

[@healingv1sion]

40:39 this is so cuteeeeeee

[@metermaide1726]

love your videos and love your debates, the more philosophical and good faith talks are the absolute best, keep doing you man.

[@bradders9743]

I agree

[@coffeepot3123]

"African american albino by the name of Destiny speaks with a fellow sister" .

[@tripledigit4835]

😂😂😂

[@alotofspeedymoviereviews4517]

I disagree that people with low self esteem in high school can’t change in their 20s that seems pretty anecdotal to me tbh

[@unicorns1393]

So true

[@HOVNA]

Yeah I think we forget that the low self-esteem issues come from something else. If you can identify it, that's half the work right there. It's hard but possible

[@greensquare6235]

It is anecdotal but you really never hear about that kind of growth so it is going to be extremely rare and Destiny obviously won't know how it happens because he hasn't gone through it.

[@ChemicalTen]

This shit is fire Destiny. I'm all in for tree content

[@guybien4621]

@re e for some reason i thought they already had met irl

[@leemakin2369]

Just a friendly reminder that this is just a rebrand. She's still a toxic person off camera. Don't buy into the rebrand

[@guybien4621]

@@leemakin2369 Sure, possibly. I think Destiny would have a better idea of that than u tho since he talks to her, and he still seems to like her.

[@leemakin2369]

@@guybien4621 maybe but I've seen the lengths she will go to to keep up appearances. I had a debate with her and she was so toxic, she had to edit out over half of the conversation just to make herself look good

[@OREOGAMERS]

@@leemakin2369 youve been in every comment dude wtf is wrong with you.

[@TheAudioInjection]

This is one of my favorite sides of Destiny. Talking about real shit with people he strongly disagrees with politically. Very good stuff

[@lordhelix2760]

When I was this early destiny and vaush were lovers

[@emzkoe3904]

Lol. That's a life long on/off again relationship. They don't know how to quit each other.

[@TehPh1L]

las time i was this early mikefrompa third wheeled their relationship

[@frostbite3318]

That’s before Vaush intellectually surpassed Destiny

[@emzkoe3904]

@@frostbite3318 intellectually outpaced is their kink

[@ThinWhiteLuke]

@@TehPh1L Mike was jealous because Destiny and Vaush were relationship goals. They were too beautiful. He had to destroy them.

[@Ajb234]

Tree is chill af

[@charlesmiv3842]

Tree is dumb af

[@Nana-wi4gi]

@@charlesmiv3842 TRUE

[@BreakCoreBird12]

why do i feel like destiny and TOL would make a good bdsm couple lol.

[@tastytherrien5106]

And you exactly whos topping

[@ichabodcrane6044]

Don't know. Maybe its because TOL used to work in that particular field unironically.

[@BreakCoreBird12]

@@ichabodcrane6044 When they first talked way back when they were fucking heated towards each other. Who knows maybe sometimes the saying they just need to settle their differences in the bed has some merit

[@aleshawashington2919]

Bruh stop being a coomer

[@bennymountain1]

@Syntofinis Damn, 100%

[@jiggerypokery3761]

Hehehe, love the "we get people from the center-left why not go further and get a liberal"

[@psychicsqu1d711]

1 Inch Further

[@josiahclarke3535]

@Hieronymus Bosch literally what

[@red_Sun24]

@Hieronymus Bosch Idk what your standards of 'left' are, but on certain issues, this is totally false. In Australia, our left wing party is to the far 'right' of the Republicans when it comes to the respective refugee policies. In fact on most social issues, like gay marriage or treatment of minorities, it's generally the United States leading the way. I guarantee you the influence of the USA has enormously accelerated discussion of progressive issues in the Australian left.

[@red_Sun24]

@Hieronymus Bosch Well my point wasnt to shit on australia either, I just meant that a lot of the time western countries arent really to the 'left' or 'right' of each other, because the countries that have very successful healthcare systems or high worker unionisation can also be the same countries that mistreat refugees and constrain civil liberties

[@red_Sun24]

@Hieronymus Bosch yep pretty much

[@ultraboombean]

Women just want to be treated like a person who is special to you, not an object of adoration on a pedestal. At least that is how I feel.

[@FlaxikPlayscz]

certified Cutestiny

[@jeycarpet2665]

Destiny loves black women

[@feelingevaporated2912]

Destiny is a black womanly name

[@Nobody-uo2eo]

AMAZIN

[@strailz4302]

Destiny fetishizes black women.

[@pianoandguitarlover2773]

Black women always flirt with me. Not entirely sure the reason yet.

[@l.3ok]

Which one of the two is Destiny ?

[@leajey4279]

Obviously the black woman

[@yoooyoyooo]

one on the left

[@ashergaines593]

"I'm never going to move in and live with Mr. Mouton over her. I'm never going to travel internationally with him." My heart is utterly broken.

[@MetalFreak187]

The point she made about difference between nice guy and simp is so true, you don't have to be an prick to not be a simp.

[@lukaswithakay]

Sitting this one out. Being cheated on is a horrendous feeling. I understand that every relationship takes 2, but having been on the receiving end of that betrayal, I don’t think I could ever justify hurting somebody like that. No amount of logic can take away the pain.

[@customcomputerftw]

Go watch Dr Phil then

[@DoubleO88]

We all been through it man, you put it all in, never put yourself all in.

[@megagunner12345]

Yeh, I agree. I think Destiny is quite a selfish person in some respects and it comes out when he talks about certain personal issues

[@Blanksmithy123]

He only talks about it for like 2 minutes

[@Crispman_777]

I don't think he justified it, just explained his motives. It was very short in the video

[@Jardonius]

I vaguely remember this woman from somewhere else, and I vaguely remember enjoying the energy as much as I am now too. Thanks to my boy for linking me this video, been a good listen~

[@gubertdubert4817]

This was a nice conversation God DAMN, that cleave though.

[@-xphobia]

Bruh.

[@alexcross4476]

38:26 when destiny talks about the self esteem, specifically the slow churn and burn, I think what people are finding now is that a break from schooling or a gap year or two can speed up the process because of how detached you can become from society. If you are able to detach from society enough the process is sped up a lot because you don't have the external forces pushing expectations on you that are harmful for your self image.

[@izuraheman4899]

Girl hates 'yes' man. I've been a 'yes' girl my whole life and was badly taken advantage of by my second ex. Like the whole time i lowered myself and smarts just so he could feel good but he end up leaving me. Even when I know the solution to a problem i just shut my mouth and let him do the lead otherwise, I will be shouted at. The new guy I am with (I am more well rounded, and more of just myself now) loves that I am smart and loves the fact that I know some things more than him and of course he is better at some things I'm not. I personally think humans in general are just appalled from yes-man person unless you are an evil person that loves power play and dominate a person. This goes for both genders, we aren't that different actually and its hard for people to fathom this. Of course physically men are generally stronger than us. But we're talking about the "yes-man" thing.

[@thebondvillain4920]

This was a good conversation...

[@nosc_c]

Imagine fucking up the "hello" part xD

[@Japhro77]

"I think you're good with relationships" "I cheated" "Oh."

[@vanplayer3417]

I love it when these two get together. A hot tub and a bottle of wine would take it to the next level.

[@fungdark8270]

Women like being complimented (by someone to whom they are attracted,) not groveled to (generally,) and engaged genuinely

[@TheBlackDeath3]

So much wisdom packed into this video.

[@hugmonger]

Oh my god I want to see Tree of Logic talk with Mike so badly.

[@MrAskmannen]

YES

[@greyhound4204]

I wouldn't want be Mike's sofa when that happens...

[@blinkanddie3397]

Before I went on mood stabilizers I used to be that person that would get upset if someone was online and didn't message me. If I ever felt like 2nd priority it would upset me so much. Obviously I hated that about myself, but it just wreaked havoc on my life. I think that that in particular stems (at least for me) entirely from insecurity. I was horribly insecure. Anyway I'm on anti-depressants and mood stabilizers now which, holy fucking shit, have changed my life. My jealousy feels toned down from 100% to 1%. My psychologist said that the way we are in relationships has a strong connection with our relationship with our parents in childhood (I think this is referred to as "attachment styles"). And it seems that because things were a bit complicated while I was growing up that my parents didn't really have much time for us kids (I love them dearly but life is complicated and these things happen), and it seems like maybe because of that I developed an insecure attachment style which caused me endless fucking issues throughout all my relationships until today. I was overly possessive and controlling because I was so worried that if my partner spent any amount of time with someone else they may leave me for them. Anyway, if there's anyone out there in the same boat I was in, (if you're possessive and controlling), I think you probably need to see a therapist, because there's a lot you've gotta work through. I think your brain gets wired badly from childhood and causes you to get triggered when you shouldn't. Oh yeah one final side note, I felt like everything in my life was going so well, I had really solid friendships, I was doing well at university, had good relationship with family and I was exercising regularly. I literally couldn't have been happier. But then at 25 after being single for about 7 years, I got into a relationship and it felt like all my hard work over those 7 years was for nothing. Because I couldn't keep a basic relationship going. And it derailed the fuck out of my life. I ended up in a mental hospital but I'm much better now (finally). Also I used to hold suicide as my own personal safety net, that if things went wrong, at least I had some out. I kept it to myself because it was my own secret that kept me safe in life. Don't do that. For the love of god, if medication works for you like it did for me, you will never look back.

[@duncanbug]

Ayyyy attachment style squad! It’s insane they don’t teach about it in high school. 50% of people have some type of insecure attachment. I have anxious/preoccupied attachment and my experience is similar to yours. Therapy helps somewhat but I think there’s a chemical imbalance for me as well. Hate being “wired” to be clingy.

[@iNT3NS3CLUTCH]

Destiny's point about everyone wishes they had played less games and tried harder in school definitely doesn't apply to me. I wish I could have played more games and just not studied, would have been great. Idk who would wish they did less fun things and more boring things.

[@DetectDEV_]

I remember the Tree arc and how nuts she was. Hate to admit this convo was entertaining and made me crack up as much as it did 🤣

[@randomcomment6635]

Tbh she’s on of my favorites for Destiny to talk to. Always fun banter between the two

[@lore2027]

I know this is weird but tree of logic and destiny are two of my favorite people on KZbin and I am so happy to see both of them in a stream 😄

[@cmike123]

I like this. It was a pretty wholesome convo.

[@overscoreSX]

Lol! The look on Destiny's face when she said he was good with women!

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

I like her, she is really interesting. Great convo

[@iAmCymba]

People really still ask “Why do you ‘need’ drugs?” as if we’re at a point in our society where necessity applies in that type of situation.

[@Yomil]

I was digging this tree person, wondering if it was worth seeing some of her content, but then she comes out with crazy stuff like "I was waiting for him [Destiny] to cut his hair..." Clearly, shaggy hair Destiny is best Destiny.

[@tayo17923]

Except its usually greasy and messy. How can u prefer that over a nice clean cutstiny

[@blondebomber-qo2uy]

@@tayo17923 🔫 we said we like his hair

[@alexandergott3409]

58:00 Very true about the constant "text requirement"- i noticed when i get especially close with a girl, we'll end up making it a habit to text every single day, facetime every single day- and it makes the slightest time away feel like an eternity- and it causes turmoil for both parties involved. We need to revert back, and be used to time apart- but the internet makes it so easy to demand constant attention unfortunately. A huge problem today

[@ryohio4706]

This is 1000000% true. Being shoved up your partner's ass isnt good, people need to remember to respect that they're partners are individuals.

[@Crissybooable]

When you live with someone you usually talk to them everyday . I don’t think it’s abnormal to talk to your SO everyday . But I get that people are different but it’s not a burden for lots of people to talk to each other everyday . I know my parents do when they are apart from each other

[@ereainfrozenrain829]

I have no idea who the other lady is but I would kill for a podcast with these two. Relationship Steve is some of hi best fucking content easily and she's a good host tbh

[@monkeydude2424]

Wait is she looking at me 😳

[@aleshawashington2919]

Profile cameras are scary

[@monkeydude2424]

Alesha Washington yeah lol it’s odd when it’s constant

[@theanonymoustalk]

Bro I love every convo between destiny and her lmaooo, especially the one going thru her drama. Btw does anyone remember when she was on a podcast with destiny? I can't find it anymore. Basically everyone started attacking her and destiny defended her. I had to be just before corona like jan or feb 2020

[@bajsmongo2000]

i think it was the panel where mikefrompa pivoted like crazy, i think treeoflogic and destiny found some kinship in their mutual hatred for mike lol!

[@Owen-bb2zs]

It was a show called the raj royale. Look that up with destiny and you’ll be able to find it

[@leemakin2369]

I bet it's a part of her trying to rebrand. Don't forget that she's still a horribly toxic person

[@Owen-bb2zs]

@@leemakin2369 Destiny has said that he finds her nice and gets along with her. She isn’t some monster and still believes everything she believes they just get along

[@leemakin2369]

@@Owen-bb2zs watch the video dylanburns put up on her recently and tell me that is considered "nice person" material

[@abbe6100]

This was such a good vibes conversation, MORE!

[@jwhitepillchad]

Destiny should talk to Coach Black Pill

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

The longer you make men wait the better you can assess their character. Steven is so adorable I can't understand why people hate him. His advise about life is great especially the school thing.

[@BearAnima]

Isn't this the woman that went after DylanBurn's suicide attempt and essentially mocked him for it a few weeks ago on Destiny's stream? Destiny's building some strange bridges... Oh wait, looking back at it, makes sense since Destiny was smiling when she did it.

[@BearAnima]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZTcaYB_ltWcr80& 16:35 on the video as receipt.

[@jonfavreau8491]

Okay Fnaf pfp thank you for the lore

[@Transcedant]

We get it, you dont like destiny, no need to make it a personality trait.

[@BearAnima]

@@jonfavreau8491 Me: "This person uses Destiny's platform (with his smiling approval) to mock someone's suicide." You: "Well uhh ur profile pic lol." Destiny community sending it's best.

[@BearAnima]

@@Transcedant Oh yea, I forgot. No descent allowed, right? He ain't gonna suck you off bro.

[@speedgoblin9985]

A good faith discussion is nice every once in awhile

[@leemakin2369]

She's not good faith though, far from it. She's just trying to rebrand. Don't buy into the rebrand

[@speedgoblin9985]

@@leemakin2369 bro I said it was a good faith discussions not that she’s good faith

[@leemakin2369]

@@speedgoblin9985 just letting you know cause I know that she's trying to rebrand herself and I sadly see some people already buying into the rebrand

[@alswisha8519]

@@leemakin2369 yeah you're obsessed please go outside

[@leemakin2369]

@@alswisha8519 question, do you think that if someone got sexually harassed by someone, then saw that someone else got sexually harassed by that same person just a few days ago and then saw that person try to rebrand themselves, don't you think at least some people would go into a sort of response that would send them into a sort of commenting frenzy to warn people?

[@PAIP_Studio]

24:50Men don't fall in love with sex... They create connections with the more positive experiences they have and the more time they spend with people. Male love is not the same with female love... Female love fades with time. Male love gets stronger with time and the more memories you create. So you can't make him think of you... If you want him to love you, you need to be there, be positive and be active without getting on his nerves.

[@we5ll2tap41]

Agreed! Based and 100% FACTS!

[@PAIP_Studio]

@@heathermason7875 It is biology not me... Females in all mammals bond through sex... Males don't bond through sex... If you want to bond with a male... hang out with him... you have to spend the time...

[@VaultBoy1300]

God we need more tree and destiny content

[@totorosdad965]

I am craving milk rn

[@joel_the_ai]

Hot chocolate

[@primusinterpares5767]

Booba

[@klaymen22]

Yeah a lot of older people don't realize it, but texting is a step for some teenagers dating. Like, we hear a teenage girl say "I'm texting this boy" and we roll our eyes, but its a big deal for them.

[@hugmonger]

Dont mind me just on my way to being an alpha

[@Splatterbrain7]

Still a beta compared to the power of a sigma

[@hugmonger]

@@Splatterbrain7 Hey my man we dont shame our brothers here.

[@christianjensen9174]

Sigma male grindset 😎

[@avivastudios2311]

49:53 I could never be with someone like Destiny. I have never once been so mad that I had to isolate myself.

[@cloroxbleach121]

I’ll listen to destiny on this one because he is the same height as I am

[@NidarosKnight]

I rarely agree with Tree, but I really like her. She is very funny and polite, but very much alike Steven, when the gloves come off, they come OFF!

[@ThaHunter87]

Sooooo cool how Destiny and Tree of Logic have become so cool with each other. To think how they used to talk to each other when they started was MAD!! Yet funny...man! They have come a long way!!!

[@leemakin2369]

Destiny might've, but Tree hasn't. She's still the same toxic person as before, this is just a rebrand. Don't buy into the rebrand

[@MbeziAmsterdam]

@@leemakin2369 you just copy pasting this everywhere? Tree of Logic living rent free in your head🤣

[@leemakin2369]

@@MbeziAmsterdam it was more of an automatic response from my experience with her where she sexually harassed me and covered it up

[@yustwastaken]

@@leemakin2369 dude you are in literally every comment thread I've opened, just evict her already

[@lonestar3099]

@Lee Makin Dude your obsession with posting hate for Tree in EVERY THREAD is working against you. 😂

[@topwomble]

Self-esteem can fade but it is damn hard work and it's always around a bit, it took me until my mid twenties to find more respect for myself and more confidence but there are still times where I can drop back into those negative cycles, it's a lot of work to get out over time

[@chaseyork3131]

Oh no. She's hot.

[@monkeydude2424]

Boob

[@UEGMEAT]

Tree is low key a smoke show. I didn't think that until the one debate with Mike from PA

[@lonestar3099]

@@UEGMEAT the afro wig was the one that did it for me on that show.

[@beebeehay]

1:40:40 "I was for him to cut his hair but I just gave in, ya know you gotta pick your battles" had a good laugh at that lol

[@ItsKatsuragi]

To be honest I stopped having low confidence after I was 30. I don't really do any "coping mechanism" so I don't know what really happened there. Thats around when I started being recognized at work so I guess that had a big part. I just stopped being afraid of failure because I realized I'm just another dude and everyone fails - especially when they're new to something. I also was too hand held for everything in my life when I was young. Ultimately most shit you do poorly on because you're new, is trivial and doesn't really matter in the long term. You looked like an idiot because you asked how something basic works at a counter? Who cares, the attendant prolly will never interact with you outside of that anyway. And if it does matter, well, just gotta deal with it, but first things first. Some girl might not be interested in you? Fuck it. You're losing nothing either way. And if that troubles you, you need to figure why you can't just be with yourself before you can be with someone else. It's of note I never had low self esteem though (if anything I always had very high self esteem, because I ultimately new I was a good person), just low self confidence.

[@Arouxayis]

i've never heard anyone that was a college graduate say that they wished they tried harder in school. usually they say school is a waste of time because it won't set you up with a job because all the entry jobs require some form of experience(which is pretty stupid). companies could get away with underpaying people that don't have any metric for what their work is worth.

[@xXWorldgamefunXx]

It really depends on what you are studying and which industry sector you want to get into. For example in Germany there is such a lack of computer science students that businesses take pretty much anyone with experience and A degree. You could study german philology and still be accepted if you can program in python and do a bit of statistics in R. In this case: fuck university, just get a good grade and focus on learning every important skill along the way.

[@marzm2597]

You guys need your own podcast!

[@allmountaintv]

I really liked this video, a lot of good questions from LOT and great answers from destiny. I always enjoy these types of conversations!

[@weeb3277]

Women don't date up. They date on the same level and up.

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

I guess that depends on how you define a person's "level"

[@Gweezy12]

TREE THICKER THAN AN OAK

[@Tabularasa1996]

She's definitely very attractive

[@latheredtrillionaire5701]

Pfffft lmao trueeee!