The Sana’a Mushaf’s Many VARIATIONS! - Creating the Qur’an with Dr. Jay - Episode 38

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay continue to review the Sana’a Mushaf manuscript’s many edits and variations. Today they look at 63 verses that reveal 70 variations! 16 of those are composed of entirely different sentences. No small matter. There have been some claims saying that this work was possibly composed by students hence the many mistakes, corrections, and variations, but this isn’t plausible due to the simple expense of the materials used in the script. Watch as Al Fadi and Dr. Jay continue this fascinating series.
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[@mysotiras21]

The discovery of the Sanaa cache was such a gift to historians, and so damaging to Islam. It proves that, as late as 700 AD, the Qur'an was still very much a work in progress. Obviously, this book did not get revealed from heaven over a period of 23 years in the early 7th century. Great video.

[@cherubimseraphim2986]

Arab religion is Big mouth & full of lies

[@mikeigori2983]

You know, every lies hidden will be revealed by the Great God of Heaven eventually.It is happening to the quran and any other untruths before His coming.

[@BandenIndarys]

Not to mention how so many readings were plagiarized from non-inspired books.

[@fantasia55]

The Quran was a work in progress until 1936.

[@sanjaymalwe3529]

Even if it was the proper manuscript it still does not cover up the fact that it is the most evil theology that Satan has come up with so far.

[@adrine5193]

WITHOUT LIES ISLAM ☪️ DIES

[@billshepherd5090]

Islame is a shame

[@user-jg4nm6cs1z]

2 great man of God.

[@idachildofgod]

God bless you brother

[@thecoin5394]

The most significant thing about Sanaa is not becauase the Sanaa Manuscript, but rather because Sanaa is also (one of) the capital city(ies) of the Himyarite Kingdom. A Kingdom that ruled over territory of modern day Yemen before Islam. And the fact that a Himyarite inscription dating 523 AD contains the term MHMD, the Praised One. (The Judaism of the Ancient Kingdom of Ḥimyar in Arabia: A Discreet Conversion by Christian Julien Robin) What was the prophet doing in 523 AD firtyseven years before his birth in Yemen? From the inscription it's clear that the term MHMD is no a personal name, it's a divine name. Keep in mind that the Himyarite Kingdom at that time had adopted Judaism, it means that MHMD could have been a title for a divine messiah. Then, the Sanaa manuscript was also found in Sanaa, one of capital cities of the kinhdom.

[@bankubanga789]

The muslims mad when I share u guys video. They quick to say someone lying but can't refute any of your claims

[@hejaz17]

Difficult to refute someone that doesn’t give any specific examples of differences in texts and only go on mere assumptions that “this can’t have been given for someone to learn”.

[@bankubanga789]

Al Fadi doesnt give specific differences in text? Oh buddy you need to watch his videos cause this claim shows you dont actually view them​@Noureddinez

[@fvin6233]

Christ is the light

[@alexandernorman5337]

Christ is life.

[@aj-lf9sj]

Christ is lord

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@alexandernorman5337 .......... Christ is death. Only 33 years old. He cannot be compared to the span of life of the prominent characters of the Old Testament who lived by the hundreds of years. -01-06-24

[@RuggedCross1]

@@defenderoftruth3212 And that is a big deal to you? That matters NOTHING. The only thing that matters is Jesus Christ is LORD and GOD sent by the Father to take upon Himself the sins of the world

[@123dsj123]

We must understand that the contentions (or disagreements) over the “Perfect Preservation of the Quran” is a thing of great importance to Muslims. How else can a Muslim assumes his divine human superiority over his fellow human beings if the Quran has been tempered with by man? Allah tells Muslims that they alone, when compared to the rest of mankind, are the superior human beings ever created. Quran 3:110 reads, “You (Muslims) are the best of people ever raised up for mankind.” In Hadith Riyas as-Salihin 1839, Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, explains Quran 3:110: “The best people for mankind are those who bring them (mankind) with chains around their necks till they embrace Islam…” * Thus, the Muslim must fiercely contend for his human supremacy by insisting the Quran, from God, is a decree that cannot be changed for all eternity. Surely, you do not expect the Muslim to give in to the claim “All men are created equal” - a claim he attributes to a “supposedly” corrupt book?

[@ethercruiser1537]

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[@collybever]

The belief in the perfect preservation of the Quran seems to require a suspension of normal use of intellect to check things. Not only does one have early texts different from later-created much used "recitations", but hadiths indicated alterations - goats eating, early variants being burnt, much of surah 33 lost, infamous verses removed from surah 53, (but if one studies it for oneself it looks like not enough of what "Satan cast in" was removed.)Then the surahs do not faithfully affirm what they claim to affirm, it is not using good sources often, like the use of non-canonical late pseudo-gospels to create Isa, the Quranic version of Jesus, largely demoted to being a cookie cutter generic Islamicised prophet, or even fables of a fantasy variety.

[@samuelakshoyprabhudas5966]

Very well said👍

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@collybever ............... The Qur'an corrected the fantasy and fictions in the Bible.

[@kb4432]

"We are all born ignorant but one must work hard to remain stupid" Benjamin Franklin "The worst kind of arrogance is arrogance from ignorance' Jim Rohn

[@RannChandiBhakt]

You guys are doing an awesome job. I would like to get associated. Please guide.

[@paul-assiddiq-001]

Great work 👍✨

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

Glory to the Father, Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son & the Holy Spirit. May the Holy Spirit continue to work through these men and bring more to the truth in Jesus Christ.☦️

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Angel Gabriel was mistaken to be the Holy Spirit.

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

@@defenderoftruth3212 I've never seen any Christian say that Gabriel was the Holy Spirit of YHWH. In fact we have no indepdant name for YHWH the Father either. Only Jesus Christ of Nazareth who was born as a man was the Angel of YHWH before his human birth. He's the only one with a separate name than YHWH.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@HollywoodBigBoss .................. YHWH is an invented name. Do you know where it is taken from? Because the Christians don't have a name for their god called the Father, the Bible scholars later on came up with the idea from the story of Moses. When Moses asked God if who he should call Him, God said: "I am who I am". I don't know if from what language the Bible scholars derived the 4 letters YHWH from. Greek? Hebrew? Aramaic? But that what's they came up with, YHWH. Again, since YHWH is quite awkward to hear, they came up with the idea of putting vowels in between. Maybe they selected from YAHWAH, YEHWEH, YOHWOH, YAHAWAHA, YEHEWEHE, YOHOWOHO, YEHWAH, YOHWEH, YAHWEH. And they came up with a consensus to use YAHWEH. Out of the many unpleasant names they selected, it's YAHWEH which is less unpleasant. And so, YAHWEH is the "Name" adapted. -01-19-24

[@lukesusilo2112]

If there's only one Quran: Ibn Mujahid (+7), Al Shatibi (+14) and Al Jazari (+9) would never chose multiple readings if there's more than one original Quran, as one hadith said that there were 7 ahruf, how could it proliferate into qiraat and riwayat? (Which according to Yasir Qadhi, one of the most difficult topic in the Islamic studies) And what did Uthman do? How could he standardized the multiple ahruf into 1 mushaf?

[@brucemills6558]

In Short - to produce the 'authentic authorized' Quran of today, it took an man or a few men to sort through 'The Word of Allah' and SELECT what are the valid words. The rest are discarded. If I get this correct, the claim that the Quran is 'uncreated' and exists in Heaven, means these compilers had access to Heaven with permission of Allah, to ensure complete accuracy in their selection of the exact same verses Preservation principle]. That would be a greater revelation in extent than the Prophet had! So - do we have any records that show that these compilers did access the Divine original in Heaven? Or - they 'guessed' the relevant verses and so we finally end up with a man made compiler's opinion of the Holy Text. The 'divine preservation' principle is not holding up well in my opinion.

[@lukesusilo2112]

@@brucemills6558 "Qiraat are dialects" they said so what dialect Hafs and Warsh used? no answer

[@hejaz17]

It’s because you’re unaware of the meaning of qira’aat, a7ruf and riwaayyaat. A word in writing can appear the same but can be read in different ways, still be valid and have a profound meaning.

[@hejaz17]

@@lukesusilo2112The سبعة أحرف - seven dialects or readings of the Qur’aan were not specified in terms of dialect but made it so that all tribes could read the Qur’aan without much difficulty in a reading that is familiar to them. Your questions should come from a place of willingness to learn and acquire knowledge, not to confirm your own ignorance and dwell in it.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@brucemills6558 ............ It's not the compilers that have access to heaven. It's the heaven that made the access to the Qur'an. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), after the Qur'an was completed, Angel JIbreel reviewed the completed Qur'an. In other words, Allah SWT had a hand in overseeing the correctness and completeness of the Qur'an because Angel Jibreel cannot make a move on his own without the command of Allah SWT. So, the Qur'an was complete from the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). -01-06-24

[@jamessheffield4173]

Students in the ancient world would use a wood tablet or other material, covered with a layer of wax. After writing on the wax with a sharp object, you would smooth the wax, thus being able to write on it again.

[@lukasbudiman9116]

❤1) blessed be THE WILL OF CIRA , to enlighter humanity ❤2) blessed be THE WISDOM OF WORDS , WISDOM OF DEEDS CIRA , in implementing point 1 , in THE WORLD OF THIS YOU TUBE ❤3) blessed be CIRA's FEELINGS , who always pities people who have gone astray ❤ ❤ ❤

[@hernandez-yanezboldvoyager2623]

Great Job guys! Reveal the truth.

[@sramdeojohn4428]

Jesus be Magnified 🙏🏆

[@alig1789]

Thankfully

[@xavierbesnard9201]

thanks !

[@sirupate]

Very interesting, what's the basis for Dr. Puin disagreeing with Shoemaker about the instruction?

[@shahidanfurqan]

Earlier manuscripts did not have vowel sound markings nor dots. Arabic can still be read without these but need more effort. But when words or even full sentences are different or missing then it is a HUGE problem. Despite this huge problem we continue to need scriptures and what else do we have except studying all of them and cross examining them by themselves? One of the verses needed for shahadah commands Muslims to believe in all revelations not only the latest one(2:136, 2:4, 10:94) and another verse commmands them to go to the people who have received scriptures before them to learn(4:162, 3:186 5:57)

[@kb4432]

A 'literal word of God' is the only thing that matters to the true seekers of faith. It's the only thing that would make them listen and take notice.

[@shahidanfurqan]

@@kb4432 The most important thing a human can have is an unbiased pure rational mind. Without such a mind even god's words become unworthy. The second thing needed is the ability to detect which words are from god and which are not. We take a word as god's word if it surpasses our logic or in other words is better than our ones. We can label such words as god's words or simply to say neutrally- from a higher intelligence. But how can you detect god's/higher intelligence's literal words if you don't know what is rational?

[@kb4432]

@@shahidanfurqan I have heard ex Christians say that when they recite the Qur'an in Arabic, it takes their stress or grief away, which they never found with the Bible. Generally Muslims testify to the impact the Qur'an makes in their character and personal lives, even when some of them are non Arab, which is even more amazing. There's most definitely a healing aspect to it. I read that Christians don't have the same experience and say it's not the Bible they rely on, it's the 'holy spirit'. I was wandering if it's possible to apply your rational logic here in any way.

[@shahidanfurqan]

@@kb4432 Everything has a reason except the "thyself" or "soul". You have to acknowledge that most christians read the bible's translation not the actual one. If read in its original form or which is the aramaic they might as well feel the healing effect if it has it. Every sound has a particular frequency and words that have rhythm are pleasant to listen. As the scriptures are from a higher intelligence they might have arranged the words or sounds in a special scientific way that soothes the mind.

[@kb4432]

@@shahidanfurqan Put the Qur'an and the Bible side by side, originals or translations. Its the Qur'an that passes all the challenges. From the layman to the scholar, the truth couldn't be more clearer. The difference is day and night

[@zotax6948]

can I download all the different Koranic manuscripts somewhere or do I have to buy them all. If I did buy them which one should i get?

[@kamalhamzah5579]

No Reduction ,No extras surah s/ chapters And verses. The meaning and order of the surah does not change.

[@Aries4uu]

All this research is too much for most Muslims to comprehend. The reason for my conclusion is mere reading of the Quran itself shows the level of unbelievable narration when juxtaposed with the early scriptures ( Old and New Testament) since the former claims to be Abrahamic.

[@hejaz17]

It’s exactly what we love and study as muslims but these two men here omit giving any examples of differences and only go based off of assumption that “this couldn’t have been given for someone to learn”

[@Aries4uu]

@@hejaz17 you prove me right. Besides this channel, Christian Prince, Sam Shamoun et Al point Muslims to the Quran, Hadith, and Tafsir depicting the incongruous writings and demonic nature of Qutham ( false prophet Mohammed) most Muslims still adhere to and debate Christianity in spite of the truth.

[@bhaashatepe5234]

@@hejaz17 how about the term MHMD appears in one of Himyarite inscriptions dating 523 AD? fortyseven years before the birth of the Islamic Muhammad? the meaning of the word MHMD in the inscription is the Praised One, and it was used in the inscription as a divine name, meaning that the word MHMD is not a personal name but a divine title (QS 33 verse 40). the capital city of the Himyarite Kingdom was Sanaa, the same place where the Sanaa manuscript was found in the 70s. Btw, the Himyarite Kingdom at that time had adopted Judaism. it means the word MHMD is a biblical term, not a personal name. the enemy of the religion of ISLAM is the Quran and science.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@bhaashatepe5234 ................ It should be no surprise at all if the name "Muhammad" or MHMD can be found long before he was born. For there was a Covenant between all prophets and Allah SWT that they should support Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in his mission and announce to the people about his coming. It means that the name "Muhammad" had been already announced to the people since the time of Adam, him being the first man and the first prophet. Therefore, it is no doubt that the name "Muhammad" had already existed long before his birth. However, the only recorded fulfillment of that covenant is the one made by Prophet jESUs (pbuh). 61:6. And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic." 3:81. And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the Covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a Messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [Allah] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." -01-13-24

[@tariqmir181]

Alquran the ultimate miracle.The only book in the world which challenges its readers to produce a single verse like it.This challenge still holds.its the best arabic literature on the face of the earth.Even Arab speaking non Muslims accept it.

[@tariqmir181]

@garybowings1538 Reading bible stories to children will open all sorts of opportunities to discuss to discuss modalities of sex.An unexpurgated bible will get an xrating from most censors(Plain Truth Oct 1977.).Keep it under lock and key .keep it away from your children reach (George Bernard shaw

[@billshepherd5090]

Ha, I saw a woman write a cooking recipe in the style of the koran. Koran is just cooked up fiction.

[@heikejohannajahns3257]

Did you read it? Seen just as literature: poorly structured, confusing, repetitions, stories without beginning or end, uncomprehensible passages... some poetry, yes. But no great literature.

[@billshepherd5090]

I’ve read most of the kangoran. A kid in grade school can write better than the kangoran.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ................. You said: "It's not as bad as At Talaq ayat 4." Why? What do you understand about At Talaq, Ayat 4? Read carefully the verse and understand if there is anything bad in it. Read it over and over again. The verse is speaking about divorce (Talaq) and the waiting period which is 3 months. What's bad with divorcing a woman? 65:4. And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease. If I got it right, what had highlighted in your mind is the phrase: " ... and (also for) those who have not menstruated." Bear in your mind that the verse is about divorce and the waiting period. When a woman have not menstruated anymore, it means that she already pregnant. Meaning, at the time of divorce, the woman had not already menstruated, so there is no need to wait for 3 months to know that she is pregnant. The purpose of waiting for 3 months is to determine if the woman is conceiving or not. But in the case of a woman who had not already menstruated at the time of divorce, it is crystal clear that she is conceiving a baby. But I know what's in your mind. You were thinking that a woman who have not menstruated yet is being divorced. Thus, making Surah At Talaq, Ayat 4 bad. But you are totally wrong. Or, you intentionally tried to make it wrong? -01-09-24

[@garlottos]

Make longer videos, please!

[@fantasia55]

Jay has dozens of longer videos on the internet.

[@mozi4305]

Please answer Me if I am Wrong !! In the Quran -- Mount--Sinai = MhSinai = Muhsinai Meaning a good door , [ it's a big lies ] Mount-Sinai"UUN " Meaning a man who was / is born in the Mount - sinai , Like-- Prophet Ibrahim he was Born in the Mount- sinai , He is Mhsinai"UUN "" Many Prophet were Born in the Mount-Sinai , They All Were Mount-Sinai"eeeeen , They Nation of the Mount--Sinai , They Who The Peoples of the Mount--Sinai , They Each of Them were Mount-Sinai"UUN " and All Were Mount-Sinai"eeeen , In The Quran Many Please Allah Loves The Mount-Sinai" eeeeen , But In the Quran -- Mount-Sinai"UUN " or Mount--Sinai"eeeen Meaning a Good door or Plural Good Doors 100 % a False Meaning - Indeed-- Islam is a False Prophet's Religion , Prophet of Quran He was a Muhsinai or Muhsinai"UUN" , He was Born in the Mount-Sinai , Like-Ibrahim , Muses and Many Others Prophets --------------------------------------

[@kamalhamzah5579]

Was Abraham born on Mount Sinai? Abraham was born near Babylon, then to Canaan, to Palestine. Moses was born in Egypt. name the prophets who were born at Mount Sinai?Where is Mount Sinai? Muhsinai is not Mount Sinai.

[@mozi4305]

@@kamalhamzah5579 Mount-Sinai Was in the Egypt ,

[@kamalhamzah5579]

Mount Sinai is not refer to Muhsinai in Arabic. What is Muhsinai in Arabic? Is not refer to Mount Sinai.

[@mozi4305]

@@kamalhamzah5579 Two Noun together Mount-Sinai The Mount-Sinai , When a man of the Mount -sinai Then - mount-Sinai"UUUN"" and Plural Mount-sinai"eeeeen ,

[@mozi4305]

@@kamalhamzah5579 Mount-Sinai"eeeeen ( Plural or Multiple Mount-Sinai ) Refer To The Peoples Who Were Born in the Mount-Sinai , Group of People of Nation of Peoples were MuhSinai"eeeeen ,

[@davidabramovichkosciuszko4216]

❤

[@YManik]

If 70 - 80% of the qoran similar or are in the Bible, sure allah is just a joke. He doesn't know what to do to his ummah. In Christianity is clear. Jesus accepted all what was written in the Torah and gave further understanding of the Torah, not rewrite the WORDS.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Can you enumerate to us what are those 70 - 80%?

[@kamalhamzah5579]

See Surah Maryam ( Chapter of Maryam)

[@kamalhamzah5579]

​@@garybowings1538 He wii die after second coming and In Resurrection Day ( Judgement Day). Not crufied and died. Allah took up direct to Heaven without crucified.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 .................. Do you mean to say that Yahya will be coming also, just like Isa? -01-13-24

[@Snoopy0310]

Muhammad burst his body, Sana'a alien goes up

[@Inanalaoun]

وَقَالَ ٱلرَّبُّ لِنُوحٍ: «ٱدْخُلْ أَنْتَ وَجَمِيعُ بَيْتِكَ إِلَى ٱلْفُلْكِ، لِأَنِّي إِيَّاكَ رَأَيْتُ بَارًّا لَدَيَّ فِي هَذَا ٱلْجِيلِ" اجعلنا يا أبي بارين أمامك، اعطينا نثبت بفلك نجاتك بآخر الأيام #كنيسة_الرب مافي أجمل من انك تبدأ نهارك صلاة و قراءة كتاب. شكرا أمنا #ماغي_خزام انك أخدتي على عاتقك استبدال لفظ (الله) القريشي الوثني، بلفظ (الإله) دلالة على إلهنا #يهوه الخالق أبو ربنا #يسوع_المسيح #سفر_التكوين #الإصحاح_السابع #الطوفان kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXi9lICuhqyYiNksi=YBHUxuQY6WoTUIDI

[@user-rj8py9ld3j]

JESUS POINTS US TO THE FATHER THROUGH HIMSELF: There is no other way to have eternal life except to believe in God through Jesus. People need to realize Jesus speaks and does God's will ONLY. When Jesus said believe in him, he is saying to believe his words about the Father and himself. Everything Jesus speaks and does is controlled by the Father’s power and spirit within him. Jesus does nothing of himself (John 5:30). Jesus said he casts out demons by God's power and spirit, not his own (Matthew 12:28). Jesus said to hear his words we must believe in God; only this is eternal life (John 5:24). Jesus said in his prayer *to the Father,* “and this is life eternal that they might know YOU the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” (John 17:3).

[@ethercruiser1537]

Jesus is also the LORD. Of course God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit will all agree in what is done. But Jesus IS the Lord God! The Devil’s second temptation of Jesus (KJV) Mat 4:6-7 “If thou be the Son of God; cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, least at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.” Jesus said unto him, “It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.” IT WAS JESUS THAT WAS BEING TEMPTED! Therefore, Jesus = the Lord thy God.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@ethercruiser1537 ................... 4 gods? "Jesus is also the LORD. Of course God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit will all agree in what is done. But Jesus IS the Lord God!" -01-21-24

[@ethercruiser1537]

@@defenderoftruth3212 Please don’t act so dumb! 🤪 There is only one God: but three Persons in the Godhead. YOU KNOW THAT VERY WELL! But you are a troll. God the Father, Son and Spirit. To fulfill prophecy and to rescue mankind from the curse of sin and death (ultimately eternal damnation) the Son TEMPORARILY left heaven and became incarnate as Jesus to pay the penalty for our sins as the Lamb of God who, because He was The Son Incarcerated, was able to live a sinless life and thus was a perfect sacrifice. He further fulfilled prophecy by rising from the dead, showing Himself to over 500 witnesses and then ascending back into heaven. I feel sorry for you. Your sins remain with you because you have rejected God’s free gift of Salvation through the work of Christ on the Cross.

[@ethercruiser1537]

More evidence the Quran evolved over time.

[@collybever]

Rob Christian mentioned a particularly bad omission. Surah 61.6 iirc in the lower layer of the palimpsest, does not have Jesus saying Ahmed is prophesied, the meaning was totally different, about Jesus himself, and the insertion looks like bolstering the claims of the prophet author of the Quran. Should the author have been thinking of himself as a prophet though, he seems to fit the role of teacher, yet is using the rather inadequate training he has had, as in commending the injil (gospels) then using noncanonical late pseudo-gospels. The rabbinic Jews had not had a prophet since Malachi according to them, so it would have to be the case that Mohammed gave signs and wonders, but instead there are excuses, and the Old Testament prophets gave many prophecies, not just a few vague ones. Christians would expect him to have studied the gospel and epistles, and also be familiar with church fathers' writings, as well as Old Testament study.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

How would you reword the Surah 61:6 to make it appear that it's referring to Prophet jESUs (pbuh)? 61:6. And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic." -01-21-24

[@kamalhamzah5579]

Almost none of the 30+ version have the full the 114 chapters. How can Sanaa Manuscript don't have 114 chapters .? Prophet Muhammad and his companions and his people have memorized 114 chapters. They always read and review During the month of Ramadan.If you say the Quran was only completed in 1936 or 1924, then that is wrong. During the time of Muhammad and his companions again Maybe Since the time of the Prophet and his companions, the Quran has been memorized and written. No surahs or verses have been added. Nothing has been removed or reduced. If anything has been reduced or added, it can be detected. fixed 114

[@billshepherd5090]

Memorization is a bunch of hog wash. There are over 38 different korans,hafs, duri, walsh plus 34 more. Which one do you recite?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

You are just talking without investigating. There is no such thing as a 1924 or 1936 Qur'an. The 1924 Qur'an which Jay Smith deceives you is the 796 Qur'an used in 1924 by the University students. They used the 796 Qur'an as the basis of their study. So the 796 Qur'an was reprinted into many copies in 1924. Then reprinted in 1936. If the 796 Qur'an is reprinted in 2024, do you mean to say that it's another Qur'an? A 2024 Qur'an? -01-06-24

[@billshepherd5090]

@@defenderoftruth3212 prove the the hafs koran you have today is from 796! Show me an ancient manuscript that is exactly like the koran you are using right now. As a matter of fact, can you even show me ONE bone, rock, feather, stick from the time of momo? No you can’t. Come on make me say the shahada by proving beyond a doubt that what I can go buy in a store right now is EXACTLY what momo said.

[@billshepherd5090]

@@defenderoftruth3212 where did you go? I want to say the shahada! Prove to me beyond a doubt that what I can go buy in the store today is EXACTLY what momo said! Can you even show me ONE bone, stick, piece of wood,scrap of papyrus with writing on it from momo’s time? No you can’t! Why are you a moslem?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ............ Reprinted in 1924. Reprinted in 1985. Reprinted in 2024. Would that cause differences? -01-13-24

[@KartOno-tj6uv]

-indeed, the religion in the sight of Allāh is ISLAM ($urah Ali 'Imran - 19 ) - And whoever desires other than ISLAM as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.(Surah Ali 'imran - 85) - Allah have approved for you Islam as religion (Surah Al Ma'dah - 3) - There is no compulsion in religion (ISLAM ). Verily, the Right Path (ISLAM) has become distinct from the wrong path (Surat Al Baqarah - 256) - O believers! Be mindful of Allah in the way He deserves, and do not die except in a state of for people of the Islamic faith (full submission to Allah) (Surah Al 'imran - 102)

[@user-ji1cj8sx6f]

Hebrew 6 says that we should go into perfection instead of remaining at the foundation.. leave Islam alone and preach THE WORD OF JESUS

[@syedosyedo6626]

It's great to see more christians accepting Islam

[@fab-factor.space.]

You are lying like Muhammad, pal dawah continue to decieve the dumb and prisoner, who like to carry one their criminal ways and sin if and when released from prison!

[@sunrays472]

For the, intelligent, educated and enlightened people to know the truth,they should find answers to the following questions and try to understand what the secular scholars and researchers have to say about it 1. How many centuries after the death of Prophet Mohammed the Quran was written down and how many Qurans were in circulation before it was standardized?...Where isthe real quran now? 2. Were the contents of the Quran copied from any other ancient texts? (Christian, Jewish, Pagan, local myths and fables etc.) 3. Was there one or more than one Mecca? and where is the real Mecca? 4. What is the truth behind the Zam Zam well? 5. What is the real history of kaba? and who built it? 6. Do history, archeology, and science support the claims of Islam? 7. What is satanic verses and why is it important for the understanding of Islam? 8. 'Without lies, ...... dies' - about which religion it is said and why? 9. One of the major functions of a Prophet is to prophecy. What are the prophecies by 'Prophet' Mohammed and what are the ones that were really fulfilled? And What is the real name of Prophet Mohammed and what does it mean? 10. Are Muslims really the descendants of Abraham and if not, who really are they and what history says about it? 11. Who are the members of trinity? 'Father, Son and the Holy Spirit' or 'God, Jesus, and Mary', as 'revealed' to Prophet Mohammed by Allah, recorded in the Quran, and believed by the Muslims? 12. What about Prophet Mohammed 's flying visit to the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Did he really visit the temple and what is the evidence for it? 13. What are the contrbutions made by Christians and jews vs. Muslims, for the benefit of mankind? 14. Is there any difference between a Muslim with exposure to western ideas, thoughts and education and one without any exposure to the same? If there is any difference, what is the reason for the difference and what is the basis for the western thoughts, educaton etc. that makes the difference? 15. I am giving below the names of the founders of modern religions and also some positive and negative human traits. You decide for yourself who is the person who has all the negative traits and who's the person who has all the positive traits: a) Founders of modern religions: Gowthama Budha, Mahaveer Jain, Zorastar, Jesus Christ, Mohammed Nabi and Guru Nanak. b) Negative traits: Hatred, fanaticism, religious intolerance, violence, mass murder, womanizing, pedophilia, cunningness, coveteousness, mental imbalance, suicidal tendencies, dacoity, slave trading, ruthlessness, lieing, cunningness and deception. C) Positive traits: Love, care, compassion, peace, sacrifice, forgiveness, reconciliation, positivity, openness, truthfulness, inclusiveness and honesty. 16. What is the history of the black stone and where was it before being placed in the quoba? 17. Who is Al Qudam and what does the name mean? 18. Muslims speak of the "atrocities'' committed by the Jews against the Prophet and his followers. But in fact, it is the Prophet who plundered a jewish village, slaughtering the men and taking away the women. There are many more atrocities like this. Now, ask yourself what are the atrocities committed by the jews. 19. Is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the God of Prophet Mohammed and the Muslims (Allah) the same? If not, who is Allah and what is his origin? 20. How a religion that was started in Arabia, claims the God of the Jews, their scriptures, their prophets, their teachings, their way of life, their land, their doctrine, and their Holy places as its own? And what happened to the Jews, Christians, and the Pagans, the sons of the soil in the 6th century middle east, and who occupies their land now? Note: Watch channels like cira international, harris sulthan, pfander, CP etc. for enlightenment. Everyone has the right to believe or not to believe anything he or she wants But see to it that no one fools you in the name of religion and brainwash you to hate/harm your fellow humans.

[@sunrays472]

More than 50% of the people have left Islam in Iran and every year hundreds of thousands are leaving in other countries.

[@collybever]

Interesting viewpoint. I have noticed many muslims becoming christians last year. Although then that was mainly looking at christian sites. Have seen some amazing supernatural testimonies - Jesus is not stuck in his grave, as well as people now exposed to critiques which before the internet were largely censored, Al Fadi and Jay being part of that natural truth-seeking. Bad government and extremism are also sparking the mental engines of some muslims, so they are questioning rather than blindly accepting what they have been told.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@sunrays472 .................. PRIESTS WHO FLOCKED TO ISLAM After realizing that Christianity is TOTALLY FALSE. 1). Archbishop Viacheslav Polosin, Russia, 2). Hilarion Heagy, USA, now Said Abdul Latif, 20 years as priest, 3). Vladimir Urgyumuv, Russia, over 30 years as an Orthodox Catholic priest, 4). Paul Dennet, now Idris Tawfiq, former priest in Rome, 5). Rev. Anthony Swany, now Ayub Abdur Rahman, 6). Samuel Earle Shrogsire, USA, now Yusuf Muhammad, 7). Russell Ogston, now Yusuf Ogston, former Anglican priest, , 8). Prof. Craig Victor, US Cathoilic priest, now Ishmael Fenter, 9). Prof. Sue Watson, now Khadija Watson, a female pastor for 7 years, 10). Ann Holmes Redding, female priest of Episcopal Church for 25 years, 11). Weis Mark Bangura, Sierra Leone, Africa 12). Leif Sjetne, now Ahmed, Sweden, 30 years as priest, 13). Amar Abdurahman Sykes, (present name), USA 14). Said Muhammad Urumov, (present name), Russia 15). Polosin Vyacheslov Sergeyevich, Russia 16). Janice Huff, now Amina Assilmi, female priest, USA 17). Anthony George Baker, USA 18). Bishop David Benjamin Gardani, now Abdul Ahad Dawud, Catholic Bishop. 19). Rev. Richard Kiper, Catholic minister for 40 years 20). Yusuf Estes, Catholic minister 21). Joshua Evans, Catholic youth minister 22). 600 priests in Africa. 23). And still counting. You can watch their testimonies on YT. This is something worth reckoning for as to WHY. -01-06-24

[@bobmuh2242]

O t bible “ alcohol the poison of satan “. N t bible Jesus “ I turned water into wine “ wait s second this dude ain’t no god

[@jay-dt3zq]

Sub

[@Pax-Africana]

To make Jesus known as the Messiah meaning Christ foretold by Moses and the Prophets was the great commission which the White man changed with baptism in the name of "the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost." It is the Messiah who brings the light of the law of Moses to the pagans, the polytheists, and idolaters through a new and inclusive Covenant... As it is written: "I will send the Messiah/Muhammad/Al-Christ(Christ), a Prophet(Messenger) like you Moses, him they must listen..." Deut. 18:15-19; Surat 3:81; Acts 3:22-25; John 3.24-25; Acts 17:2-3... Trinity, trinity, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... 1.The Son Of MaryMuhammad/Messiah Son Of Amina 2.Law. Qur'an/Gospel 114 Surah 3.Apostolic Tradi. Islam/the Way Arabism

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ............. In Surah 19 Ayat 15, John the Baptist prophesied that He would be born, die and resurrect (live again). John the Baptist is no lie. John the Baptist predicts truth! -01-06-24

[@bhaashatepe5234]

@@defenderoftruth3212 the meaning of the Quranic ISA is the Redeemer (Ahmad Al Jallad, an invocation to Jesus in Safaitic inscription). Have you accepted Jesus as your Redeemer? Do you really know your Quran? Do you know that the word ISA had been used by Christians before ISLAM and it was used as a divine name, meaning that the author of the Quran believed that Jesus was divine?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@bhaashatepe5234 .................. Redeemer? Let us try to understand the meaning of the word Redeemer. Simply put, it the one who would redeem. Redeem from what? From sins? From Hell? But both the Bible and the Qur'an say that sins cannot be redeemed. The Bible says: "The inequity of the father cannot be inequity of the son, nor the inequity of the son can be the inequity of the father." The Qur'an says: "No one bears the burden of another ...." In other words, one's sin is his own. Therefore, it is you who will answer for your sin. And because of that, it is also you who can redeem yourself. How to do it? It is by doing the righteous thing. Therefore, the Redeemer of yourself is you. So, don't hope or assume that there is anybody else who will bear the burden of your sin or sins. -01-13-24

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ............... It may not be Yahya who is speaking, but the message is the same. FOR YAHYA: 19:15. And peace be upon him the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he is raised alive. Wa salaamun ‘alaihi yawma wulida wa yawma yamootu wa yawma yub’asu haiyaa FOR JESUS: 19:33. And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." Was’salaamu ‘alaiya yawma wulittu wa yawma amootu wa yawma ub’asu haiyaa -01-13-24

[@Pax-Africana]

@@garybowings1538 What's your point? Christianity is not just about prophecies but also about Law including the Ten Commandments in order to lure the pagans out of Idol worship and polytheism through the Messiah(Christ)...

[@islamicthinkingtv9985]

There are miracles about Jesus, peace be upon him, in the Quran that are not found in the Bible. Christians should read the Quran and see how much more they will learn about him. There are details about his birth which are not in the Bible.

[@PerpetualPreponderer]

Why does this dude keep dressing as if he's in the middle of the desert all the time

[@hejaz17]

Because he wants to appear Arab as an argument for his newfound faith that his desires have led him to

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Because he cannot get away from his real identity as a Muslim. That is why he still dons the traditional Muslim attire. Through a subtle way, he is deceiving and fooling the Christians. His heart is still with the Muslims. He is only applying the sense of belongingness in the West. -01-06-24

[@farid-nc5jc]

jay smith doesnt even know the difference between the 7 qurra and the 7 ahruf. I would avoid taking anything he says seriously

[@farid-nc5jc]

why would i waste my time explaining it to you@@garybowings1538

[@farid-nc5jc]

i dont give dawah to dummies your right. im following your bible when it says "dont cast pearls before swine"@@garybowings1538

[@You.are.boring.me.now2024]

Muslims have no idea what the supposed seven "ahruf" are , ibn Mujahid came in for criticism for choosing seven variant reading as it caused confusion among Muslims between the qiraat and the "ahruf". The fact remains that there are a multiplicity of variant reading of the supposedly "perfectly preserved" book.

[@farid-nc5jc]

the quran was revealed in 7 variants, so thank you for confirming the islamic narrative@@You.are.boring.me.now2024

[@kamalhamzah5579]

Tha San'a Manuscript are variants in hand writing. The variants doesn't means many mistake in reciting Quran. THE San'a Manuscript have 62-63 Chapters , where were the others surahs Chapters . THAT means Sanaa manuscript not complete Quran with 114 surahs?. What are the differences between Sanaa with Uthmani? Where was the Holy Scripture ( Bible) ,the origin ? Why many Gospels ?

[@winxclubstellamusa]

There is only one gospel that has only one version that was translated to many languages, while the non-canonical books were taken out of it because they had mistakes, because all of the canonical books are 100% consistent with each other, and 100% consistent with the very first Bible. The ancient Dead Sea scrolls are IDENTICAL to the Bible of today, while the Quran took HUNDREDS of years to be created and edited, and was changed every day with zero documentation all the way until a standardized version was agreed upon in 1924. There are over 30 different Qurans that have been discovered so far, and they are all “incomplete” and COMPLETELY different from one another and the modern standard version. While the Christian and Jewish book actually is perfectly preserved.

[@kamalhamzah5579]

Did any contradictions found in canonical Gospel .Did you see many contradictions between Mark, Luke, Matthew and John? Before 1924 ( printed Quran) , Quran have their own hand writing during prophet and his companions until to Mashaf Resam Uthmani. If there are over 30 different Quran, what are the differents to each other ? I want to know the differences. Quran still have 114 Surahs or Chapters and recitation constantly same . Why did The Bible always revised,? The King James version was not same with other version? Which The Dead Sea Scrolls identify the Bible ? Which Gospel was from The Dead Sea Scrolls? What about Carbon dating for San'a Manuscript? Who wrote it ? Which century ? Why Not incomplete 114 Surahs?

[@winxclubstellamusa]

@@kamalhamzah5579 WATCH THIS SERIES!! It answers all of your questions. Go back and watch everything. Almost none of the 30+ versions have the full 114 chapters. The Quran was still being made up until close to or at 1924. And whatever “contradictions” in those Bible books can’t compare to the Muslim contradictions and blatant errors and lies that are in the Quran!

[@kamalhamzah5579]

​@@winxclubstellamusa If there is a contradiction or many contradictions, show the surah and its verses. which one has contradiction, no new versions .It not new version, Just a way or style or method Writing which new sysmbols,signs,dots etc.

[@kamalhamzah5579]

Did Bible write during Jesus live?

[@truthaboutislam2024]

(Muslims left the chat, crying to their black stones for help).

[@kamalhamzah5579]

We Muslim not worship black Stone and seek help from it. You are in misconception.

[@aj-lf9sj]

​@@kamalhamzah5579no need for lick that stone

[@sunrays472]

​@@kamalhamzah5579For the, intelligent, educated and enlightened Muslims to know the truth,they should find answers to the following questions and try to understand what the secular scholars and researchers have to say about it 1. How many centuries after the death of Prophet Mohammed the Quran was written down and how many Qurans were in circulation before it was standardized?...Where isthe real quran now? 2. Were the contents of the Quran copied from any other ancient texts? (Christian, Jewish, Pagan, local myths and fables etc.) 3. Was there one or more than one Mecca? and where is the real Mecca? 4. What is the truth behind the Zam Zam well? 5. What is the real history of kaba? and who built it? 6. Do history, archeology, and science support the claims of Islam? 7. What is satanic verses and why is it important for the understanding of Islam? 8. 'Without lies, ...... dies' - about which religion it is said and why? 9. One of the major functions of a Prophet is to prophecy. What are the prophecies by 'Prophet' Mohammed and what are the ones that were really fulfilled? And What is the real name of Prophet Mohammed and what does it mean? 10. Are Muslims really the descendants of Abraham and if not, who really are they and what history says about it? 11. Who are the members of trinity? 'Father, Son and the Holy Spirit' or 'God, Jesus, and Mary', as 'revealed' to Prophet Mohammed by Allah, recorded in the Quran, and believed by the Muslims? 12. What about Prophet Mohammed 's flying visit to the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Did he really visit the temple and what is the evidence for it? 13. What are the contrbutions made by Christians and jews vs. Muslims, for the benefit of mankind? 14. Is there any difference between a Muslim with exposure to western ideas, thoughts and education and one without any exposure to the same? If there is any difference, what is the reason for the difference and what is the basis for the western thoughts, educaton etc. that makes the difference? 15. I am giving below the names of the founders of modern religions and also some positive and negative human traits. You decide for yourself who is the person who has all the negative traits and who's the person who has all the positive traits: a) Founders of modern religions: Gowthama Budha, Mahaveer Jain, Zorastar, Jesus Christ, Mohammed Nabi and Guru Nanak. b) Negative traits: Hatred, fanaticism, religious intolerance, violence, mass murder, womanizing, pedophilia, cunningness, coveteousness, mental imbalance, suicidal tendencies, dacoity, slave trading, ruthlessness, lieing, cunningness and deception. C) Positive traits: Love, care, compassion, peace, sacrifice, forgiveness, reconciliation, positivity, openness, truthfulness, inclusiveness and honesty. 16. What is the history of the black stone and where was it before being placed in the quoba? 17. Who is Al Qudam and what does the name mean? 18. Muslims speak of the "atrocities'' committed by the Jews against the Prophet and his followers. But in fact, it is the Prophet who plundered a jewish village, slaughtering the men and taking away the women. There are many more atrocities like this. Now, ask yourself what are the atrocities committed by the jews. 19. Is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the God of Prophet Mohammed and the Muslims (Allah) the same? If not, who is Allah and what is his origin? 20. How a religion that was started in Arabia, claims the God of the Jews, their scriptures, their prophets, their teachings, their way of life, their land, their doctrine, and their Holy places as its own? And what happened to the Jews, Christians, and the Pagans, the sons of the soil in the 6th century middle east, and who occupies their land now? Note: Watch channels like cira international, harris sulthan, pfander, CP etc. for enlightenment. Everyone has the right to believe or not to believe anything he or she wants But see to it that no one fools you in the name of religion and brainwash you to hate/harm your fellow humans.

[@MU-we8hz]

​@@kamalhamzah5579why do you kiss the black stone?

[@kamalhamzah5579]

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[@DjangoDrango]

nothing showen from cira international makes someone a christian.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ............... The man who burned the Qur'an took his own life. He committed suicide not long after he desecrated the Qur'an. That is how the curse of the Qur'an will befall on anyone who tries to desecrate it. I'm afraid you'll follow him. -01-06-24

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ............ You can do whatever you want. After all, the curse of the Qur'an will not befall on anybody else, but you. And it will be more harsher than what you do. -01-13-24

[@AffableCounselorNumber1]

Why are these guys so much interested in the Quran? Do they want to accept it as their own holy book? If not, why do they spend so much time and energy on it every day?