THE SCAMMER WINS PAYPAL CASE

So the scammer wins the PayPal case but its not over. Visit my shop Trading Post in Crystal Lake IL just Google it.
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[@clintr9515]

My experience with eBay: You pay shipping and eBay fees to give your items away for free to thieves. eBay was good 12 years ago. Too many scammers playing the game now.

[@DetectiveJohnKemble]

That first guy just didn't care, but the supervisor seemed like he actually cared about the business and helping, good luck boys.

[@BP-ie7xf]

That is how customer service works ask for the manager

[@dauntiekay2768]

I love the way Adrian is not afraid to tell them what he thinks and he is not afraid to "dish it back"!

[@locabynature]

I agree. he actually explained the whole situation very well. there's nothing worse than having to explain everything from the beginning over and over to every person you talk to.

[@ZefTillDeath8878]

This is really disturbing that a guy with a new account can essentially get a $500 item for free off someone who has had a good reputation for years. That's complete bs and something needs to be done about it. There should at least be an option with one of these mail carriers to have them verify contents or at least take a photo when you hand it off to them. If I see a new account buy an expensive item from me I'll probably cancel the transaction after seeing this. I'm glad you at least got it in appeal again. Keep fighting guys.

[@armouredthug5154]

it was like the first dude he spoke to at paypal had only been working there since breakfast, and then Phil the supervisor.. well he knew what was up !

[@wriststylist8700]

Good idea! It would be a great upsell for USPS, and opportunity to gain market share, at least from retailers and resellers.

[@errolmcinnes7938]

ebay's buyer protection policy allows a buyer to win as many auctions as he or she wants, and then lay claims on all of them. Never sell items on ebay that you wouldn't simply give away as the buyer is perfectly legit in claiming non shipment or shipment of sand for as many items as the buyer wishes. Ebay will always side with the buyer because ebay no longer wants sellers on their site; only buyers.Sound ass backward? Welcome to Ebay

[@Scratchingforcash]

Horrible

[@arcticbadger1]

Do does anyone know if this issue got dealt with ? (Paypal money back from scammer)

[@donnasmith5727]

So sick of the scammers getting away with these scams! Your reputation should have been the first sign you are legit!

[@bobczz3919]

Exactly 💯

[@jamisonusmc88]

I went through this exact issue last year with Paypal. The buyer never provided ANY proof whatsover. They lost the case on eBay, and then won through paypal, and I never could get anywhere with it.

[@artisticwriter]

You will probably need to take him to Small Claims Court civilly. Go for it! Glad you are fighting this!

[@Zerkbern]

Mail Fraud is a crime, more than that, it is a FEDERAL crime. They don't need to go to civil court., They can file a CRIMINAL complaint.

[@junioraotu7655]

Good luck getting the government to care...

[@shadycharacter6966]

ebay/PayPal should be sued as well - not only are THEY allowing the theft they are stealing 13% of his money too !

[@mjloves28]

Shady Character I notice that is why they side with the buyer because they want the percentage.

[@rush437]

shady i thought you only commented on game wizard videos?

[@NeilBawdonReseller]

It is frightening to think that Paypal would side with the buyer in this case, they are basically saying feel free to scam people as much as you like as we will always support you, complete madness.

[@manujr]

This is frustrating!!! Take that guy to court!!!

[@SteveTx76]

This makes my blood boil!!!!! I hate thieves. I hope you guys get this resolved in your favor.

[@jakegofner]

You need to go to court and nail that son of a bitch.

[@cybersoil100]

The only problem is that you would probably have to go to the scammers jurisdiction, which may involve an airplane ticket. Not really worth it... that's why scammers are successful.

[@generryan5545]

Not exactly. If your state has a "long arm statute" you can file a case against a buyer from the comfort of your own state. You can sue the buyer for any damages including item cost, court fees and also your attorney's fee. You can both sue the buyer, PayPal, or the credit card company he used to do the scam. You can sue the buyer 4 times the item's cost, the chargeback fee, and all court fees.

[@cybersoil100]

***** - The FBI wouldn't waste their time or else everyone would be doing it. Besides.. they have to spend their precious time keeping Hillary out of jail.

[@generryan5545]

Long-arm statute. A statute that allows for a state court to obtain personal jurisdiction over an out-of-state defendant on the basis of certain acts committed by an out-of-state defendant, provided that the defendant has a sufficient connection with the state.

[@shadycharacter6966]

+cybersoil100 The head fbi guy should be in jail as well

[@earl4dundas]

It sounded like that first PayPal guy was your scammer! He did not want to look at the facts!

[@MrGaelicMan]

By the way. Adrian made a very well thought out logical argument to the paypal super.

[@aries37]

Guarantee the minute the guy got the money back on his credit card he took access to that card account away from paypal Lesson learned, don't deal any item over $20 with a newbie

[@jaredgomez3995]

I always put in my ebay auctions that I don't allow 0 feedbackers to bid otherwise I would cancel their bid because I had a bunch of problems with them in the past

[@jarrellidk]

aries37 PayPal will still give them their money, it will just show as a negative balance in the buyers account

[@theresagross3523]

Glad, you are fighting Pete. It's time that these dirt bag scammers think twice before trying to scam honest hard working people out of money.

[@projectdek9cv58]

This is why i stopped selling high value items on ebay. I got to the point where i was so paranoid i had to video tape my self showing proof the product works, then package the item, and handing it directly to the postal worker. They all knew me as the camera guy.

[@rebelscum6356]

One thing with lower priced items, though. If it's too low of a price, it's not worth it to ask for the buyer to send the product back. If you sell a $15 product and the shipping is $6, is it worth it to ask the buyer to return the item? I don't think it is. However, the buyer could be scamming you banking on the presumption that you won't ask for the item to be returned.

[@TRUEwebDEALS]

I have tremendous compasion for you. I went through a similar frustration earlier this year. I was scammed by an eBay buyer for a Ralph Lauren leather jacket that was purchased for over $500. I spent so much time over the phone with eBay and PayPal and was assured that I would either receive the item back or the money. I never received neither, and the scamming buyer made out with a free jacket. It is really easy for a buyer to scam someone on eBay, and pretty easy to win a case. The system has holes in it, and needs attention. Best wishes! -Steven

[@user-rd2ml4sy6x]

TRUEwebDEALS damn not the vintage rAulph!

[@rarecockneyguvnor4945]

The good people like you are great .You are standing up for honesty and goodness well done.

[@toma8226]

I have been following this from the beginning as well, you guys are awesome for broadcasting this and it helps us other sellers better understand their system and treatment(s).

[@trishataylor7926]

Thanks for keeping us updated on this! My blood was boiling right along with Adrian on that first paypal rep, that was frustrating. Paypal better take care of this or they are going to open up a huge problem that could potentially snowball with scammers. I cant even imagine having to try to prove every item you shipped out... i think that is why ebay has a feedback system. They know you are an honest seller. Things seem to have fallen apart on communication since ebay and paypal split, that is unfortunate. Hope they do the right thing. Good luck!

[@wwtt514]

I've encountered similar situations to this as well both PayPal and eBay has a bias toward the buyer and against the seller. they take the buyers word because they feel that they need them more than the seller and will make every effort to lookout for the buyer. for instance a seller can't even leave negative feedback against the buyer on ebay.

[@brandonjamieson7882]

That's BS, how could PayPal not see that the guy was a complete scammer? So sorry that you guys have to go through this crap. I'm sending you guys tons of support and good vibes from Nor Cal

[@MrsAB-STL]

Can't thank you guys enough for this video. The reseller community is a better place with knowing as much information to protect ourselves from this type of scammer. Good luck to you both on this!

[@ericstephen1318]

I am feeling so bad for Adrian, he looks defeated. Good for him for following up with PayPal, I have learned a lot from him and you Pete, keep it up and fight the good fight, you will win!

[@tinderinc]

You should have told the Supervisor to review your call with Junior, you should have been transferred along time ago he needs to be coached or fired. Get that scammer!

[@annazapata1479]

So refreshing seeing someone fight PayPal for what is right! They pull this stuff all the time and it seems very difficult to get around the customer service representatives. Scammers are given the power and that's why they continue scamming! Keep the faith CLH💪

[@GoonaTVhi]

Phil seemed very helpful, that other guy was a time waster.

[@victorreteghi6560]

really good info, thank you for recording this!!

[@dmdwholesale]

Good for you guys! I love to see sellers stand up for themselves, because too many times I see in these videos where sellers just let things go and chalk it up to a cost of doing business. If more sellers like you guys would file complaints against these fraudulent buyers, there would be less of them trying to run these scams and it will be better for all of us sellers. I always report fraudulent buyers to eBay, so they at least have some type of flag on their account. If they get too many flags, then they get suspended or booted off of eBay. At the very least, they will lose any claims they file with the next seller because of too many flags on their account. I hope you guys win the appeal, and I hope you prosecute the guy. Good luck!

[@SecondHandJan]

What a HUGE difference having someone competent helping you, versus someone who should NOT be working at Paypal! Sorry you've had to go though this!

[@klausjrgensen9061]

This Paypal guy is pure nonsense, I hope I never get a case like this. Keep it up guys and take this to civil court.

[@poplarpicker8034]

wow I can't believe you are having these problems with paypal. the couple times someone had tried to scam me paypal has always ruled in my favor while I was on the phone with them. I am glad you won't stop at paypal and you will pursue this. because if he gets away with this he could do it again to any one of us. glad you keep us updated. good luck

[@1ColdAC]

The best channel for ebay sellers by far!!! Good Luck with this case, we will be watching.

[@barrycombess]

Good for you, complacency is what that jerk was hoping to see. Please keep us updated, you guys are rock stars!

[@thejerseylady1]

So sorry you guys are having this trouble. I am praying it gets resolved. Sending all good thoughts. Gloria

[@jeiger]

You're gonna have to get nasty with them. A similar thing happened to me on a $500 laptop. Some clown paid with a stolen credit card and they took the money from my account. I had to escalate with paypal and get mean. They reimbursed me after I fought them on it.

[@thatcreepyolddudewholikest2643]

To be fair that's not Paypals fault they had no way to know that the card was stolen if the original owner didn't say anything, when they realised the card was stolen by law they would have had to have given the money back to the original card owner, they have no way to get the laptop back as they are legally not allowed to go to the persons house to take it by force nore will the seller send it back if asked to so that part of it is up to the police to deal with PayPal was not to blame and if you didn't get the laptop back that's down to the police

[@LittleGrassShack]

It's aggravating, Adrian is obviously frustrated, geez, being on hold can do that, watching the minutes tick by, while he sits waiting. He is so clear and succinct, that was a very good way to explain to the supervisor. Hope you have a good outcome.

[@deztroyer76]

It's actually "the gloves are off".

[@nigget-tv-videos4135]

its actually both...

[@ExKUKicker]

It's time to have a few gents in the "construction/garbage business" pay this guy a visit...have a sit down...enlighten his a** on the ways of the world. Make him an offer he can't refuse! 👍

[@kymbo72]

excellent i am glad ur going after him. too many sellers get to this stage and then just cop it on the chin as it's too hard to go to court etc. but someone needs to take a stand and full marks for u guys intentions of going after the idiot

[@musashi-san____1409]

Fuck. None of us are safe. So discouraging.

[@lavernreynolds998]

We fans love your videos, and we love you very much Pete. So sorry that you are struggling with this injustice. You are in my prayers. BR

[@maggiekay9292]

I LOVE THIS GUY on the phone....I don't know how he kept his cool as well as he did. Paypal messed up

[@polakis1975]

Unbelievable..... spending so much precious time and mental health for what? And how much time you have to ask to speak for a supervisor at PayPal. Totally frustrated on behave of Pete and his partner. I just realized that we are not safe from frauds even when dealing with PayPal or any other platform.....

[@GreatNorthWoodsHillbilly]

I have been scammed like this in the past too, now I video every package we do. I prevents a lot of headaches when dealing with a claim.

[@kasandranguyen9191]

good luck to both of you ....don't give up , give those scumbags a good lesson ...I 'm on your side ..

[@barfy75]

Fascinating to see it unfold, but obviously not what you need as businessmen. Good luck guys.

[@centuriesvintage]

Lost hundreds and an Iphone the same way, I still have neither. I lost my mind on both Ebay and Paypal. Complete joke,

[@ryanmedows6072]

The problem with PayPal is every website uses them. It's either u pay with card or PayPal. There needs to be an alternative service.

[@eddya.3776]

"The sand bag guy". LOL! The look on his face when he said that was too funny.

[@lovelylola1502]

Oh my goodness that call made me soooo angry and frustrated

[@damothekiing]

tempers flying but you still handle yourselves very professional!

[@centuriesvintage]

I spent over 8 days on the phone with them totaling over 72 hours! I still lost!

[@triciacoke43]

I was absolutely shocked when I saw the title of this video. Get that scammer, whoever they are. I wonder how many people they have done this to....

[@shadycharacter6966]

and how many other accts they have

[@roguedolphin]

NO ONE IS SAFE ON EBAY IF (?) THIS STANDS!!! So so discouraging for honest people and makes me wonder if I should continue (?) in this reselling field of work.

[@mosipd]

This happened to me a few years ago when I sold my Warhammer 40k collection on eBay. The guy who scammed me not only had a criminal record, but also had a history of scamming on eBay. In fact eBay had closed his account multiple times and they even told me they were aware he was a scammer, but when it came to PayPal they didn't seem to care. I lost the case and my $2500.

[@generryan5545]

If you have a "long arm statute" in your state, you can file legal action to a buyer anywhere from any state. You can file a case and have the buyer pay any damages done to your business such as the item cost and any legal fees.

[@alondragarza5066]

Same thing happened to me two years ago. The buyer (scammer) always wins. They always take their word for it.

[@ZachAttackIsBack]

I've had a similar situation happen, but for a smaller amount. Buyer opened eBay case and lost. Then opened a PayPal case and lost. Then about a month later the buyer disputed the charges with the credit card company. Not sure if the buyer won with the credit card company, but PayPal sent me a message that it would cover the chargeback if needed because I won the PayPal case. Mine was a foreign buyer through the eBay global shipping program. Valid tracking showing it was delivered was all I needed to win.

[@JunkPileOMatic]

That stinks that they let the system take it. It's a shame people take advantage the way they do. Best to you in this situation. I am looking forward to see what happens.

[@sunshinestateadventures63]

That is ridiculous!!! Paypal did it to me too, after my buyer lost with ebay, Paypal refunded a purchase when it was clearly the buyer's issue. Feel so bad for you guys! Great that you are pursuing this so he can't continue to do this to others!

[@nataliepicker1940]

Go team Pete & Adrian! I am rooting for you guys. You are handling yourselves so much more professional and being so much cooler than most people would in this situation. I applaud Adrian for continuing to press the PP rep with facts and logic until he got someone that could help him. Sad that it has to get to that point but if someone takes any time to review the facts of the case they will see this guy for what he is. I truly hope you guys prosecute the heck out of him.

[@TeeLocky]

I had several people try to scam me out of some Jordan's and Air Max 90's on eBay. Now whenever I sell popular shoes or expensive items I require signature at delivery. It only costs $2.60 and it gives me a little more peace of mind. Disgusting that PayPal would side with that scumbag despite all the business that Pete has given them.

[@LostMountainRestoration]

Good for you that you are fighting this. Most would just consider it a cost of doing business and move on. As a result of your videos, I now video record my packaging of expensive items and leave the camera running as I take it the 2 miles up the road to the Post Office. I don't know if this "evidence" would sway a fraud case in my favor, particularly since a computer is making the decisions, but I don't know what else to do. Once the word spreads among the scammers, you will see this more and more. Good luck and I look forward to updates.

[@MCP1776]

Hey Pete, you mean the gloves are Off , I myself have experienced this kind of B.S with PayPal and everyone needs to expose this B.S and post it to every PayPal site available in order to rein in this abuse

[@christopher9000p]

This is why I'll never sell on Ebay.

[@princessofcalabasas8358]

Huge bummer. I feel for you guys.

[@onlyoneelke]

Good for you!! Keep fighting!!

[@MichaelMillerOnline]

This is crazy all around. Had a friend get scammed on an apple watch. Guy returned it with exact weight with lead fishing weights. He sued for mail fraud and won. Our shop bigboxoverstock, we ship with sealed tamper proof tape on high end items. Mainly sell expensive health items. Can get from Uline cheap. They expect us to film shipping now? Geez.

[@Lehmann108]

How bizarre that you lost this case. Very poor judgment who ever made this decision.

[@mgdarenz]

Absolutely ridiculous.

[@shawntannehill]

You can set your ebay account so people who have no feedback or have had strikes against them will not be able to buy or bid on your items. I had to do it because I would get new buyers constantly not paying. Save yourself the headache. Ebay has changed and no longer back the seller. It also does not help that Ebay and Paypal are fully seperate now but you have to have Paypal to successfully sell on Ebay.

[@phillyflash43]

You can't block 0 feedback buyers

[@shawntannehill]

phillyflash43 Yep your right. I thought u could but I guess u can only do it if someone has negative feedback but u can't give a buyer a negative feedback. Lol It does help though to block ebayers who have strikes against them from not paying or other things.

[@papawoody7352]

WOW what a bunch of bs!!! I feel for ya, and understand where your coming from on principal been there. anyhow I will be in the Chicago suburbs visiting family for holidays and will be by your store!! take care guys.

[@UnyieldingVigor]

wow thats awful! You have to win this my friend!

[@TheFabled1]

I made it to 5 min and was already to upset to keep going. I had a decently successful ebay business several years ago, it was growing and I was happy with it. Through two cases I realized that ebay so favored the buyer that it was just not practical for a small business dealing in high value items (coins, gold and silver) to do business on ebay. I removed all of my 40ish listings on one day and have not sold an item on ebay for over 3 years. Buy on there almost everyday but just cant bring myself to sell on there again. They have increasingly sold out to the larger businesses anyway. Now at least in the gold silver business top 4-6 companies control 70+% of the bullion market. The fees are also insane to sell. I believe more and more that ebay is becoming or has become a market that you need higher knowledge to not over pay or get scammed. Every single day there are thousands of fake gold and silver coins sold on ebay, they know about this and they do not care!

[@JayOh]

I shut down my business out of sheer frustration over something similar, good to know i'm not alone.

[@lucrtrvl]

I am so sorry for you guys. If you still have receipt for this order the weight of the parcel should be shown on the receipt. I wish you good luck and to win the case. You are 100% on the right side. I am proud of you that you do not give up and do not let the sonafabitch get away with easy money. And thank you for documenting this case - it gave me a pretty good idea what kind of people could be out there so that I should be prepared and protect myself as well for such cases.

[@TwistedCracker666]

Pete & Adrian your good people!!

[@jeanclaudevandam4974]

Take the hit man. Not worth the stress... You'll win anyway.

[@Tindergate]

I hate the "is there anything else we can do for you" when they know your gonna say no. Its as pointless and annoying as a waiter asking you if your food is good while your chewing and trying to eat.

[@vtgkc138]

You go guys! Show them who's the boss!

[@thriftingcarrie4380]

I hope you guys do get this guy!

[@KATONKA...]

I know I'm late but did this laptop have GPS tracking, mine does. This would be a felony for mail fraud. "keep the faith people, and keep on keeping on"

[@bettymay14]

Don't give up. You might have to go after him through small claims court. I have heard about PayPal doing this time and time again.. Good luck, can't wait to hear the outcome!!

[@JohnoNZ]

This sucks. I know the feeling. I paid 500 bucks start of the year for a ps4 bundle online. The guy took my money and run. Police told me I wasn't the first victim from this person. The bank couldn't reverse the transaction because I paid via bank transfer not credit card. The police closed the case couple of months ago. Wasn't a priority for them although they knew where he lived. Wish the laws in New Zealand are more strict. I could take the matter to court but that means more money and time. Sometimes you gotta walk away from it and move on I guess. Hope this guy gets karma back at him. All the best Pete and the team

[@VlogsByCali]

good luck Pete. I hope it works out

[@jimtempleton7418]

Love Ur videos Pete Love from Scotland UK 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

[@donanderson9178]

I have been screwed in similar fashion by both ebay and pay pal as a seller for a combined 6 times this past year. Because of this I even had my seller status affected to the point I had to start a new account. Both the companies were jerks on the phone to me as well even though I did nothing wrong other than get scammed. Great times.

[@strangenuggets4304]

Pete gonna give "Craigslist Hunter" a whole new meaning before this drama ends…. >:)

[@xRemRooodx]

This is why I allways take a picture of the receipt/voucher that show the weight and stuff so I have proff that I sent the item.

[@buannajim8091]

When you contact the USPS use these two words - "mail fraud". Hopefully the scammer is watching the vids and reading these comments because mail fraud is a federal offense and a felony - "...such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both." Just look up '18 U.S. Code § 1341 - Frauds and swindles'. Hang in there guys.

[@kimsager1578]

Praying for the right outcome...

[@DumpsterMarcus]

WOW!!!! Hope you all the BEST!!!!

[@nickisgangle]

I hope the so called "buyer" gets what he deserves Pete. I have had similar situations happen to myself, but with everything going rightfully in my favor. I am glad to see you are fighting this all the way man. I do hope everything works out for you guys. Please post the video of when PayPal contacts you guys back, I am very interested in what they have to say about it all now.

[@shadycharacter6966]

yeah maybe you send one of your guys, you pay him a late nite visit, you make him see the error of his ways, capiche

[@stevenschultz8549]

This is freaking crazy

[@SupaDupaaFlyy]

This is exactly why you ask for a USPS receipt when you drop off your packages. Even after that, I always keep my receipts, for a "just in case" scenario.

[@Kelly-nd3cz]

Captain Murica always get a receipt and I print 2 invoices 1 for I, and 1 for the buyer and I staple receipt from USPS to my invoice it's worth the ink. I agree 150%

[@AshiStarshade]

The first person, before the supervisor, was also reasonable. Really, that was a good customer service agent, even he was not able to provide what was desired by the customer.

[@markpx]

I had something similar happen with Amazon. I sold an $800 camera lens to somebody ,and he admitted he got the item but then changed his mind about wanting to keep it. I was fine with him getting a refund, but he wouldn't send it back because he'd stalled me over the 30 day limit when I could get Amazon to cover the shipping, and then pretended like he didn't trust anybody else to send the package back besides Amazon and would only use an official Amazon shipping sticker, which I couldn't provide because it was too late. He now owns both my lens and my $800, and I've never done business on Amazon ever again.

[@tiderbean]

Similar situation happened to a co-worker friend. He runs a computer business and rarely does residential sales. He did a favor for someone he knew and built her a pc. She didn't pay for it and declared bankruptcy and did not have to return him the pc. It was rather top of line at the time. He said no more home computer sales.

[@DennisSulz]

I had the same incident with eBlay A camera was sold & sent to Australia with signature required. It went through without any problems UNTIL they filed a non-received claim. I sent a lot of time giving the information and the proof that it was sent and received but eBlob told me that it was not the customer who signed it. After many/many exchanges the money for the camera & shipping were deducted from my account. No reason given. I did not record the information by video as you have done. Last time I EVER sold anything on eCrap. Lesson learnt as that is the way they do business with "put you on hold" for hrs.

[@geraldbasford6713]

This dirt bag needs a lesson. I'm sure he is not smart enough to hide his IP address and guess what a hacker can eat his lunch. I know you guys are honest and have the reviews to back you up. Shame on paypal. If you accidently had his IP address you wouldn't have to do any thing GOt it. I watch all your videos and especially now with all the crap tv shows and the stay at home orders. Thanks please keep it up, Jerry from the beautiful Napa Valley CA