The Secret Life of Enneagram Type 5's

[@TrueYouSystems]

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[@anewhypeiv9898]

As a Type 5, I, too, fact check often and I also rarely well tell somebody they are wrong, because I like the comfort internally of me being right, and I don't really have to be an external douche about it. Everything you described here nailed me to a tee and I appreciate it!

[@TrueYouSystems]

Thanks for sharing! I like how you describe the internal comfort that comes from knowing -- very 5😄Thank you! Glad it all resonated with you🤗 You might enjoy my other 5 video (and my INTJ video, which also looks at 5's) -- I'll be curious to hear your thoughts!

[@Philip550c]

The lighthouse with the hearts made me tear up. That's how I've thought of love most of my life. A stormy night that never ends, while I'm safe inside a large lighthouse outside of town. Beaming the lighthouse continuously over the ocean, waiting for someone who understands me to see where land is and come inside the lighthouse out of the storm.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Awww! This is so sweet, thank you so much for sharing 🤗 I really hope these videos help people understand each other more, especially for types who are often misunderstood or who are a little harder to get to know 😊

[@michaelh3299]

I’m a Five and this was EXTREMELY accurate. The shoe part was hilarious and exactly right. I have an immense amount of different interests that people have absolutely no idea about. I’m a commodity trader by profession, a trained classical pianist and music theorist for 30+ years. I began philosophical , comparative religious, and occult studies at around age 15, just for fun, and have never stopped. I’m fascinated by the chemical breakdown of everyday food items and their chemical composition changes under different conditions. And have just begun studying Classical French and Italian pastry. And occasionally I take a tuning fork and walk around my city trying to figure out what notes of all the sounds that I hear in the city. For example, what note of the scale is a car horn, a bird, or the sound of a lawnmower etc, relative to the tuning fork which is tuned to A = 432 hz. I sing or hum the note A, and then match it up to the sounds of what I hear. This is just the tip of the iceberg with all of this craziness. And it NEVER stops, I need to thoroughly understand EVERYTHING! I’m 49, so I’ve been doing this a long time. And most people have no idea about any of this, except my job and that I play a little piano…. lol Anyway nice video.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yay! Thank you, so happy you liked it!!🤗 I absolutely love your examples!! The tuning fork is so perfect. It's so true people have no idea just how deep the rabbit holes can be with 5s and how many cool interest areas they can be exploring! Thank you for sharing!!

[@kestrel09]

I think there’s a strong desire for control in 5s. Not to control others, but their world. According to Helen Palmer, these motivations are driven from a fear of the opposite. E.g: Perfectionists-failure.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Great point! Many 5s do experience a need for some type of control of their environment. 5s often feel overwhelmed by the world and all its demands and intrusions, and so they try to control how they interact with it. Thanks for the comment!

[@KarleneCameron]

We don't want to be controlled by others. That's for sure. That's why we avoid others, so they don't control us. Eights try to control people before they are controlled.

[@jerrysstories711]

Yeah, don't ask me why I do things the way I do. It's my system, and it's efficient, but if I spend time explaining it to you, it won't be efficient anymore. And don't ask me what I'm thinking, because if it was worth discussing I'd already be talking. Also, don't touch my desk or phone, because there's nothing of yours in there, and you'll mess things up. Also don't talk so much. And stop crying, it's rude.

[@TrueYouSystems]

😆 This is so great! Yes, this really illustrates what efficiency can look like for 5s. It's not the multi-tasking, social-networking, wheeler-dealer, lots-getting-done-quickly model (Type 3). It's... don't intrude into my mind; I've built a mind palace in there that runs perfectly and I can't waste my time and energy trying to explain it to an outsider who I've already assessed won't understand it. But finding others who *do* understand can be so exciting for 5s and a great opportunity to connect in the world of knowledge and ideas that 5s crave as well.

[@josiesmith1295]

You are so right about us holding back. I hold back 90% of what I know and somehow I still manage to bury people under a mountain. Their eyes glaze over and I know I've lost them permanently. It's very frustrating.

[@TrueYouSystems]

I'm glad you found the video accurate! I love your description of this phenomenon, it's a great illustration! And it can definitely be frustrating for 5s 😫. I touch on this more in my "3 Varieties of INTJ Enneagram Type 5" video, which discusses the three instincts or core drives (Self-Preservation, Sexual, and Social) and how they are expressed by 5s (the vast majority of the video applies to 5s in general). If you watch that one, drop a comment -- I'd love to hear your thoughts! Thank you for sharing here and enriching the discussion!

[@yami_mami]

Omg lol this is so true about the meticulous slowness, fact checking, minimalism, introversion, knowing random facts about anything that peaks my interest.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yay! So glad it resonated! If you haven't been all the way down the rabbit hole yet, you can also check out my other 5 video, which looks at the type from other angles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2m6namErLN5p5o Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@sparklefulpaladin]

I do fact check and I also let people know, which has caused a lot of issues in the past, but I also have a strong 8 in my tritype, which probably leads to the more confrontational attitude towards people. Also the "hated phrases" part made me laugh. My type 4 friend now knows that I generally won't answer him meaningfully if he asks "how are you feeling?", but instead asks "what's been going on?" or "what's going through your head about (insert situation here)?", which has the benefit of giving the kind of result that his original question had been trying to get at!

[@TrueYouSystems]

This is a great tip for communication between very different types!

[@julianizdebski5035]

The accuracy is astounding

[@TrueYouSystems]

Thank you so much!! So happy you found it accurate! 🤗

[@CoachAhava-0000]

Except for the emotions bit, wow. I can switch quickly from feeling intense things emotionally to 'just business'. Long fuse on my temper, yet when it's lit- you're toast (with data set applied). It's really best to heed the warning. :-)

[@TrueYouSystems]

I'm glad so much of the video resonated with you, thank you!

[@DarkVeghetta]

1:05 Literally this week I'm phasing out a pair of shoes that I've had since high school that's served me as normal shoe, gardening shoe, and for the past few months as a weightlifting shoe - now it's just shredded and I have to, unfortunately and with great sadness, let them go. They've served me well, on and off, for about 20 years. It's not the only shoe that's served in a similar systemic capacity either, so you're spot on.

[@TrueYouSystems]

I'm so happy it was spot on!😆 I love this real life description! Thank you for sharing!🤗

[@lornadoell]

On my run yesterday, I was explaining how I have 5 exact pairs of toe shoes in various stages of the toes being blown ou,t so I use them for different weather, trail conditions, or distance of run.

[@dakotasycamore5260]

i always knew i was off kilter, weird, or crazy. but no i’m just a 5 and this is all on point

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha I love this! Yeah, people often think of 4's at being the eccentric ones, and they frequently are, but 5's can really be just as unique and interesting 😊 (And other types can be eccentric in their own ways, too!)

[@SeanKennardRN]

I know you probably hear this all the time, but I’m a 5 and you are so SPOT ON in all of your videos. It’s like you’re in my head. I recently found out I was a 5 so I’m currently in the middle of my rabbit hole digging, and I ran across your videos. You are by far the KZbinr who can most accurately articulate the nuances of the 5! Hands down. 🙏🏾

[@TrueYouSystems]

Wow thank you!!! That's so amazing to hear 💖 The rabbit hole keeps going -- I've got a whole Type 5 playlist here 😊 kzbin.info/aero/PLvu3Mso64sssQcbaSPn-76lintG1VwLvB Also, I'm working on another 5 video right now, so stay tuned! I'd love to hear your thoughts on other videos as well. Thank you for bringing your perspective to the conversation here! 🤗

[@LollyDolly76]

Have you been spying on my shoes? You have basically described my shoe system to a T. Scary... and yes, I'm a 5.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha nope, not spying, just using some Enneagram magic 🔮😉 I'm glad it resonated with you, thank you for sharing! 🤗

[@QueenofSoy]

I bought the same shoes for years, until a podiatrist recommended a different brand. Now I buy 2 pairs of these new shoes at a time, so I can alternate them daily, and when they start to wear out, those become my backup pairs, in case my top tier shoes are wet. Then they become lawn mowing shoes on the next rung down the ladder. I want to use the shoe up completely.

[@Aidanharding2]

I don’t wanna be seen as an expert at everything, I AM AN EXPERT AT EVERYTHING

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha! And 5's often are! 😊

[@Safety3Nation29]

I freaking love u 😅, u just made my day with that funny and ironic description of their characteristics 🤣. I think I have seen more than 5oo videos of the eneaggram and aways, when they talk about five, always do it boring... but u don't! 😎

[@TrueYouSystems]

Aww! Thank you!!🤗 I'm so happy you enjoyed and related to it! I find 5s really cool and interesting and agree that lots of stuff out there doesn't always show that. Thanks so much for the lovely comment!🤗

[@kirbyolson2]

The thing about shoes is insanely spot on. I only wear Rockport Walkers and have for forty years. I have piles of old ones for grass cutting and hiking. I love how comfortable they are and they do not draw attention. All the rest was true, too. I am a five but have a bit more emotion than some because I am SX.

[@TrueYouSystems]

I love this, such a great example! And I'm glad to hear the video resonated 😊 Great point about SX influencing your expressing of 5, I find this super interesting and I've actually got a video in the works currently all about instinct stacking and subtypes for 5s, so stay tuned! Thanks for the comment!

[@KarleneCameron]

My go-to shoe is Ara Gore Tex. First bought it in fall 2015 and bought a second pair two years ago, and I'll buy another when this one wears out! I love being a 5!

[@shemac1482]

INTJ 5W4...and i have been attacked personally.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha! Glad it was relatable! You may like my INTJ video 😊 Thanks for watching and sharing!

[@DZM1720.]

I just stumbled onto your channel, love that you get to and stay on point. This was so accurate it cracked me up a few times.. 5w6 INTJ/an new subscriber.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yay! Thank you for the positive feedback and for subscribing!!

[@gianni206]

Sometimes when I push people with questions, I hope they correct me so that I can admit they were right and the tension we had during the conversation goes away. Sometimes I do wanna show off, but other times I’d want the group to at least have the facts during a conversation, even if that means I get corrected in the process

[@TrueYouSystems]

Great examples, especially the one about wanting to have agreed-upon facts more than needing to be correct! Thanks for adding!!

[@Weicho1]

All spot on. I have to add, that if someone is angry in an argument, yes, it is often humorous to witness their lack of emotional control. But, if their irrational behavior is directly affecting me, or my projects or my independence, etc, it can be infuriating. And if they are insistent about hammering away at the argument without giving me some time to think, or without giving themselves time to calm down and think for themselves, I might be pressured into saying some things I'd rather not say in the moment.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Thank you! Glad you found it accurate😄This is a really good example and distinction, thank you for adding and helping create deeper understanding! 🤗

[@Weicho1]

@@TrueYouSystems oh yeah. The shoe part. I've done that for a few decades. Lol

[@TrueYouSystems]

Love it haha! 😆💓

[@Blue_Boy-m3t]

As a type 5 i hate people expecting i know everything. Sometimes i dont have all the answers. And i dont know everything. People need to realise that we're human too. Not rov Bots. So eere not going to gather every info out there. So yeah.

[@TrueYouSystems]

This is a great point! I try to emphasize in my videos about fives that they are indeed humans, not robots! 😊 And this means that different 5s have a wide diversity of backgrounds and experiences, and so type 5 patterns can manifest differently depending on the individual. Ultimately, the Enneagram is looking at internal motivations, drives, and fixations, rather than outward-facing behaviors. You might be interested in my "3 kinds of INTJ 5" video (even if you are not an INTJ -- most of it applies to 5s in general), as it gets into what can make different 5s behave differently. Thank you for enriching the discussion! 🤗

[@HeyYoSurveyTime]

I just did the enneagram for the first time and got 853, but 8 and 5 were almost neck and neck. I really resonate with this description, aside from the obsessive shoe system.

[@TrueYouSystems]

So interesting! There are specific ways 853 interacts to create the "solution master" and may speak to why type 5 resonates so much with you. Types 8 and 5 share the similarity that they both avoid being dependent on other people and subject to their needs and control. 5 and 3 share a need to be seen as competent and capable. All three types lean towards "fixing things" with 3 and 8 doing this quickly and 5 meticulously and focused. I hope this is helpful! Thank you for sharing and helping to deepen our understanding!🤗

[@NinjaRunningWild]

1:50 Dungeon Masters Guide.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Lol I love that you noticed that! Living up to the Observer title 😊 BTW I'm into the idea of using the Enneagram as a tool for roleplaying games like D&D, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on that! Thanks for adding to the conversation here! 🤗

[@alexanderbialonowicz5770]

Didn't thought i was a 5 ! Intimacy is hard because i tend to intellectuallice instead of being present.. i get obsessed with defining things

[@TrueYouSystems]

These are great examples! I appreciate you sharing them! 🤗

[@Jonny2284]

*Looks on my preferred shoe on Amazon* Purchased 7 times. Well that's worrying accurate, and that's not counting the variants colour combinations since my shoe size makes it difficult to shop for.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Hahaha excellent real-life illustration! I'm glad it rang true for you 🤗

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

Top 5 best 5-videos I have seen!

[@TrueYouSystems]

Aww thank you!! 🤗

[@joeysung311]

I always feel sooo understood when watching these. I found a few points that weren’t mentioned in other videos! Thanks for the wonderful video!

[@TrueYouSystems]

Aww thank you so much! ❤ I'm so glad that you found helpful insight here! You might be interested in my other Type 5 videos -- I've got a whole playlist of them (not all mention 5 in the title but they all focused largely on 5s): kzbin.info/aero/PLvu3Mso64sssQcbaSPn-76lintG1VwLvB Also BTW the INTJ-related content largely applies to 5s with other MBTI types, especially INTPs. I'd love to hear your thoughts on these! Thank you for sharing and adding to the conversation here! 🤗

[@ryanmedlin5452]

I'm a five and you nailed it

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yay! So glad you thought so!

[@azellebahadory936]

This is all on-point, but the accuracy of the phrases in particular is shocking. My family is so tired of my “well, actually” repetition 😂

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha! Love that! Thank you!! I'm so happy to hear you found it accurate!🤗

[@HampnieHambart]

The gift part is so accurate! 100% me

[@TrueYouSystems]

I'm so glad it resonated! Thank you for sharing 🤗

[@akazicool87]

Spot on 😂 i love my sketchers

[@TrueYouSystems]

Nice! Haha love it 😄 Thanks for sharing! 🤗

[@EmTreasure88]

Alongside the "how do you feel" i would also put "how are you" because people will say that but a lot of people are just using it as a greeting (and ive tried just saying hello back or asking hru back and it doesnt work 😢), or theyre about to tell me meaningless facts about their day or ask me for meaningless facts about my day and it drives me crazy. Hru is a trap set up by small talkers /hj.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha! A trap indeed 😉😆 This is a great anecdote for Type 5, thank you for sharing! 🤗

[@KarleneCameron]

Yes, I hate the "Hi how are you's" too! It's like, same as yesterday.

[@drekathigpen4869]

Systems - I have my mommy time on the same day each week, at the same bar because I like the bartender and patrons. It annoys me when someone intrudes on that sacred time. I also shop at the same stores and go to the same instructor each week for my spin classes. Jessica Simpson heels were the first that were comfortable enough to wear throughout the workday so now they are the only brand of heels I buy 😂 Fact-checking - I will pause a documentary/true crime show and go down a rabbit hole of research if something is super interesting or was stated in a way that I don’t remember it happening or if it’s just not adding up. I also like to search other movies that actors have played in once I’ve decided that I enjoy seeing them on screen and go through a mini marathon of them. One weekend I stayed in just to complete the mission impossible series after my interest was piqued by watching tom cruise in top gun 😂 My friends probably don’t know about any of this quirkiness lol

[@TrueYouSystems]

Thank you for sharing these great examples! 🤗

[@TraumaLlama91]

Totally accurate, IMO. I think a lot of us type 5’s are also autistic, either late diagnosed or misdiagnosed.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Interesting observation! I haven't seen data on this, but it would be a great thing to study. Looking at how the Enneagram intersects and interacts with other aspects of personality and cognition is super interesting, thank you for adding to the conversation!

[@TrueYouSystems]

And I'm glad this resonated for you! 🤗

[@davidzera4766]

This is literally me. Great content and great channel!

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yay, thank you! So glad you're enjoying!

[@davidschrodt507]

Ha! Google is a 5s best friend. I fact check during movies and shows all the time. "Hmmm that's interesting, let me find out more about that... How tall is that actor, how old, what other movies has he been in... where exactly is Iceland.... How many times have we actually been to the moon... etc. Movies/shows spark my curiosity 😂

[@TrueYouSystems]

I absolutely love these examples they are so good haha! Thank you for sharing! 🤗

[@kestrel09]

Been researching tyres for my car for a while, even though I won’t need them for a few years.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Great example! Thanks for sharing!

[@thedrbombay1]

What about the wings seven and eight I think

[@TrueYouSystems]

Great question! In the Enneagram system, wings generally refer to the adjacent types, which would be 4 and 6 for type 5. However, there is another concept that can be helpful called Tritype, which refers to your main type for each Center of Intelligence (2,3,4 for Heart, 5,6,7 for Head, and 8,9,1 for Gut/Instinct). So you might have 8 in your Tritype along with 2, 3 or 4. Types 5 and 7 also connect in other ways, as do 5 and 8, as indicated by the lines on the Enneagram symbol. Sometime those connections are described as integration/disintegration -- basically access to another types patterns of behaviour in times and strength or stress. There's a lot to dive into about that, and I'd love to make some videos sometime exploring it! Thank you for adding to the conversation here! 🤗

[@agenttoffiehere9578]

As a 5 this was so accurate lol

[@TrueYouSystems]

Aww yay! Thanks!

[@NelliP-gk3ef]

Systems and fact checking OMG finally someone says it

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yay! Thank you! So happy it resonated for you! 🤗🤗

[@johnmiller0000]

Yeah - this is me!

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yay! So happy you found it relatable! Thank you for sharing! 🤗

[@Blue_Boy-m3t]

3 34 thats so not true As a type 5 i do collect stuff with sentimental value. I dont think thats really accurate assjumption about us.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Great observation! While many 5s tend to highly value reason, logic, and practicality, some 5s can certainly lean towards keeping things for sentimental reasons. This might be more common for 5s with a wing in 4, or for SX 5s. But, of course, all 5s are human and therefore multifaceted 😊 Thanks so much for sharing your experience and deepening the discourse here! 🤗

[@SixString_J5]

I'm a 5 and I feel personally attacked here that you're describing me too accurately.

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha thank you! I know accuracy is important to 5's, so I'll take that as a high compliment 😉 And keep shredding! 🤘🎸

[@lorigonzalez1200]

I eat the same food every day

[@TrueYouSystems]

Great example! Thanks for sharing! 🤗

[@themalejodietaylor2599]

Hey? Stop spilling the tea on us 5's. 😲🤗😂

[@TrueYouSystems]

Glad it resonated thank you! 🤗😆🥰

[@WSB_Common_Sense]

thx that was an excellent EGO Boost XD

[@TrueYouSystems]

Hahaha glad you enjoyed 😄

[@relecor]

I feel called out...

[@TrueYouSystems]

Haha thank you! 🤗

[@KarleneCameron]

Yes, the Enneagram calls everyone out! I love it!

[@lorigonzalez1200]

Intrusive for sure

[@TrueYouSystems]

Definitely something 5s experience, thanks for sharing! 🤗

[@JesusisLord..]

5s are perpetually tired. Lol

[@TrueYouSystems]

Interesting observation! This can be something 5s experience. 5s often fixate on whether their time and energy will be drained and they can also feel overwhelmed by demands from the external world. Not all 5s experience this as a feeling of tiredness, though. In some cases it presents more as a worry or dread feeling. Thanks so much for sharing and adding to the conversation! 🤗

[@JesusisLord..]

@@TrueYouSystems worry and dread cause fatigue 🤪

[@TrueYouSystems]

Good point! So true! 🤗

[@Anythingforfreedom]

What are you?

[@TrueYouSystems]

I relate most to Type 2 and ENFJ 😊

[@BetelWalrus]

5= INTP

[@TrueYouSystems]

Yes! There are definitely INTP 5's! 5's tend to be both I and T, with the other measures varying greatly, so you'll see 5's who are INTJ's, ISTJ's, INTP's and ISTP's (and others more rarely). I hint at the difference between N-dominant and S-dominant 5's in more other Type 5 video, you might find that interesting😊 Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@BetelWalrus]

@@TrueYouSystems indeed I am a INTP-A 5w4/6

[@TrueYouSystems]

Nice! I'm curious if you relate to any of the 6 traits as well? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bneYlY2IrM19as0