The Strange Case of Shirley Carter

[@OMalley1203]

Seeing an older gentleman lose his wife gets me in the heart every time. They always look so helpless and lost. He sure did love her.

[@djangofreeman3153]

the father did it..

[@mister8765]

And to know it was his son! So so tragic!

[@suzyq4real721]

@@djangofreeman3153 I agree and people are so damn gullible ugh 😣

[@BlueForte]

@@djangofreeman3153 I doubt it.

[@nowasiwassaying...1699]

@@djangofreeman3153 he had a confirmed alibi, even Jason's defense attorney conseded that Bill could not have done it lol even if Jason didn't do it, the husband definitely didn't. I also believe there wasn't enough evidence to say Jason did it. But Bill definitely couldn't have done it.

[@lucyhanna5172]

Mike is a great narrator. He can be funny and serious at the right moments. Love his accent.

[@alizajohnny6422]

OMG He cracks me up. I feel bad for laughing at these horrible stories. I think I love Mike LOL

[@joannadechenne6368]

I so agree! He really needs and deserves his own crime tv show!!

[@paperandpavement]

Hes a goofy

[@nevaswitchupp]

@@paperandpavement naw u wack

[@alizajohnny6422]

@@joannadechenne6368 He needs to do a comedy show.

[@darkreyule]

Please do the mysterious death of Bryon Macron, Medina, Ohio Trustee. Please like as this is my friend's brother, they're still searching for his killer. Trying to get Mike to see this.

[@yes0r787]

Yes, please.

[@fujoshii_x]

Ohio representttt lol

[@Horrorblonde]

Hope he sees this

[@JB-pe2yn]

Medina county resident here. I'd like to see Mike do this case. My guess is who ever killed Bryon, has ties to the local government and also lives in the area.

[@mikenichols2190]

I'm from canton ohio but I live in south Carolina however I still follow all the news from up north and I would like to see mike do that case as well

[@k8marlowe]

It’s refreshing to see a husband truly grieve the loss of his wife and fight for justice for her.

[@patrickpelletier3104]

I think the overwhelming majority of married men would and do. Be careful not to get a skewed impression from watching too many crime shows LOL...

[@dylandhadajkshd8120]

Eh. This case will unfortunately never be solved. You see a husband grieving his wife, whom would spend anything and go through any measure to find her killer. I see what is most likely a killer doing anything he can to displace the blame.

[@PoptartParasol]

@@patrickpelletier3104 well, anyone who loved and cared for their spouse like he did would fight for them. Men are definitely not excluded from that, though in today's climate I get why you clarify.

[@jennylee9780]

@@dylandhadajkshd8120 Boom. 👈

[@kateoleary4984]

@@dylandhadajkshd8120 I doubt he spent 700k hiring people to investigate it if he did it, the police had already given Up investigating, he would have kept his money, it’s far more likely he’s innocent, like the McCanns were, and he wanted justice, his whole family know him well and all of them think he did it. When he was crying on the stand his whole family were rolling their eyes, like they know he can cry on demand. He was the only person with any sort or motive.

[@BAW47]

Love that you cover cases that nobody has heard of, rather than doing the same stories we've all heard 50 times!! My favorite!!

[@mikez650]

And done well

[@hellomyfriends9740]

All that to hunt a killer

[@carolyngair7051]

YES!

[@brittslife1425]

Oh my goodness yes, his is absolutely one of my top favorite channels!

[@robin5023]

I'm from Iowa and I heard of this. One thing I can remember is during Jason's interview they mentioned his fathers gun cabinet, Jason said he didn't even know he had one. It just so happened they had bought it for him the Christmas before. They had a picture of Jason sitting on the floor putting it together. Hmm....

[@maryvallettakeith6146]

I love how he says 'please look after yourselves' instead of 'please like and subscribe'. That's one of the many reasons we love ya Mike.

[@paulagwhyte1720]

That we do!

[@gleda3634]

totally agree.

[@jaykenyon1]

He doesn't need to. His shiiiite is that good.

[@FeedMeSalt]

Sadly every time this has been tested, subs and likes are easily 30% higher when you say it.

[@qty1315]

@@FeedMeSalt Maybe that's true, but I think that he feels like he has more than enough subscribers already, and he's still growing pretty fast.

[@stephmimz1061]

That is a man that truly loved his wife. May she rip

[@julietteoscaralphanovember2223]

He's exactly like the old farmers i know. Truly, good, loving men that work their butts off farming and love their wives.

[@bfbffersen3567]

Unless he hired some thugs to do it, and that is the reason he was so eager to say it was his son. Would be worth the 700.000, to avoid suspision i guess

[@mrs.schmenkman]

Interestingly enough, his face doesn't his words. Even if he loved her, doesn't mean he didn't kill her.

[@julietteoscaralphanovember2223]

@@mrs.schmenkman but it doesn't make any sense to kill her. He wouldn't gain anything financially from it. His father was still alive and he would keep any money, land or assets of his wife's.

[@nickocskai8399]

Sad old men are the only thing that touches me emotionally anymore

[@hales6547]

The pain in her husband's eyes is unbearable. I can like feel it when he talks its hard to listen to. Everyone in the world deserves to be loved like that. Cherish each other when you can.

[@Sam-go3mb]

What about the pain in his son Jason's eyes, that was genuine to me too.

[@veradobis569]

Married 54 years and my biggest fear is losing my spouse! I have that love and am s ok grateful to the Lord for this!

[@hales6547]

@@Sam-go3mb absolutely agreed. I guess when I watched the video her husband's pain resonated with me. Everyones pain here is absolutely realand valid

[@prettymessedup7644]

I wish someone loved me as much as Bill loved Shirley. This was heartbreaking. 💔💔💔

[@ninachkah13]

I thought the same thing

[@___blaggard999___8]

An old old man who has a farm and is rich ? if that's your type.

[@LunnaJannah]

Right 😢

[@iilovelise]

He had a affair tho lol

[@quickchris10]

@@iilovelise I didn't catch that. So Jason, ``the apple, didn't fall far from the tree?'' Maybe dad tried to frame Jason for dad's murder.

[@ST1MPULSE]

“Has to be tree doesn’t it?” We wouldn’t have it any other way.

[@mogrady555]

@nick sweeney 😄

[@j4m32hz6]

Where I live its tree o'clock every time Mike uploads 😎

[@surfside75]

Oouuhhhh yeeeeaah!!😠

[@strangemanmtd8350]

tirty tree and a turd percent right!!

[@journeysalkebulan]

@nick sweeney he wouldn't need to learn pronounce two plus one all he would have to do is say it.

[@xerxezrax]

i feel so bad for the husband. his grief runs very deep, you can see it in every single interview. his wife was his soulmate.

[@imaplant2868]

After 50+ years marriage it would be like losing your arms. Just tragic.

[@jjaye805]

@anon truth. This is heartbreaking.

[@pineapplesideways3820]

How did the son keep the farm knowing he owes dad 10 million

[@elizabethbrett1946]

I don't see that at all

[@xerxezrax]

@@elizabethbrett1946 he's crying or tearing up every time he appears in the video wtf are you not seeing

[@susie2366]

It’s a good thing I’m not rich and have no life insurance. Plus, my room lighting up days are long gone.

[@chezceleste]

Never light up a room or live in a place where everyone knows each other or get life assurance.

[@TapDancerDood]

+Susan Grant Looks to me like you could definitely "light up a room". !!!!

[@richardaitkenhead]

There will be someone out there that you are the whole world too never mind just a light, keep your eyes open they could be in plain sight.

[@Atti19216]

This is the kindest comment section ive read in forever

[@ani4226]

Still be careful All of you

[@ColorMeIn]

My heart is breaking for the husband, he looks like he’s in so much pain. You can tell Shirley was the love of his life.

[@addie_is_me]

And he still loved his son.

[@bresams2917]

Yep! Piece sh*t Son smh

[@irisjones6636]

the husband is it, that's why Billy Jr beat him up

[@thewhitecrow61]

so sad, he is devastated

[@danielandree3947]

@@bresams2917 I mean he was found not guilty... so as far as the law and the community that knows everything that goes on in a 300 person township don’t think he did it so idk why you’d assume he did when he was legit proven not guilty. That’s why people always say that being accused is the worst part because it sticks with you regardless of if you did it or not.

[@commissaryarrick9670]

I feel so bad for the husband . You can tell he loved his wife he is absolutely devastated by her death

[@NurGeiles]

Yes! The interview where he said that he'll 'never get over it' broke my heart. His wife didn't deserve that and this poor man is going to feel this sorrow for the rest of his life...

[@0912sooli]

He kinda too much invested...

[@tintinismybelgian]

I'm glad he spent Jason's inheritance suing him for wrongful death.

[@merncat3384]

@@0912sooli Seriously?!? Try spending 52 years with your soulmate that you had been with since you were a teenager and had a great relationship and family with, then say that he had too much invested!! That is absolutely the most RIDICULOUS thing to say

[@michaelburmudzija3584]

@@tintinismybelgian he's been proven innocent... Until someone is proven Quilty you can't make false claims like that because you "feel" he did it.

[@minalily5231]

My heart hurts for Shirley and Bill. May she rest in peace.

[@aneshiadixon8762]

Same here. So many people want love and they had it. It's not right at all.

[@willmartin1837]

He will answer to his deeds!!!! Hell hath no mercy!!

[@ForsakenKingOfMurrica]

I firmly believed the son all along it's so tragic his relationship with his dad was ruined and I almost believe his brother Bill is the one who did it the 2nd bill, BUT for all I know maybe he was just mad at DADDY BILL, because he ruined Jason's life and him and Jason are kinda close?? Like maybe when dad said he thought jason did it little Bill followed big Bill, then he realized he was wrong, and got angry and beat up on dad, and now he just looks bad for beating up his own dad when his mom's been murdered?? Like I would like to sink my nose into this one of all these cases. Would anyone be down to form a ragtag cold case squad?

[@dianesaienni5466]

Amen sister

[@ohitkat]

Bill’s interview clip was so heartbreaking. He really loved this woman.

[@annfisher3316]

It's touching how much Shirley's husband loves her. We should be so fortunate... RIP 💙🙏💙

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

Indeed! That is a true soul partner love. We should all be so lucky.

[@ANDREA-rr2rv]

Thank you Mike. Hey That Chapter family, love you all ❤️

[@yes0r787]

We love you back 💛🌻

[@theaccentedguy1505]

❤

[@MrGrace]

Have a great day! Be happy, stay healthy ✨

[@ginashemeth7708]

Right back at ya hun. Have a great weekend! 👋🌻🙋‍♀️

[@3limin4torZockt]

Wish y'all a great day 👐❤️

[@lesliebean4594]

That poor man has gone through so much. I hope when he goes he leaves everything to their daughter, and nothing to either of their ungrateful sons. I can’t even imagine how heart broke he must be.

[@hansolo631]

I gotta say, the possibility that he killed his wife is there - if she really did die a bit before the son got there. There's nothing that clears the father. And wife-killing is probably 10x more common than mother-killing.

[@luissantiago874]

If u spend 700k on the county to point fingers on who u suspect then he did a diservice to his wife and his family because the system was willing to fail him on their part since they were getting wealthy for not doing their jobs.He shouldve pushed them to find the killer not pushed them to find a way for his son to get convicted.What a shame.

[@lesliebean4594]

@@hansolo631 I had considered that. But, there was no real motive to my understanding. He didn’t gain anything more than he already had by killing her. Instead he lost a spouse whom he seems to love deeply. In response to the second comment, it is a tragedy that he lost so much of his money too. Doesn’t seem plausible that he would kill her and then spend a fortune on a civil suit against his own son. Unless he honestly believed in his heart he was the only one with means, opportunity, and motive to do it. Although the son was found not guilty criminally that doesn’t say much. So was OJ, and he later came out with a book that basically spelled out the crime start to finish “hypothetically” .. huge eye roll. Who says “looks like she’s been laying here for two hours” on a 911 call? Given the time line that would say he had some knowledge of the crime. How would the average person honestly know the difference? If I stumbled upon my mom shot (God forbid) that’s likely the last thing I’m doing is speculating to dispatch how long she’s been there. That’s the cops job. Unless perhaps I’m trying to frame my dad for the murder.. ? Her purse and jewelry being left, but the shot gun shells being removed along with one of their shotguns also screamed “This is personal”. So, I don’t think it was Bill, or some random stranger off the street. But, that’s just my humble opinion.

[@isabellind1292]

His other son (Billy) was arrested/charged and admitted to assaulting his father after an argument, knocking him to the ground and repeatedly kicking him (2020). I don't know the outcome of those charges.

[@atmywhitson]

@@hansolo631 You could be right imo I think the Dad got so thoroughly invested in proving his son did it they never bothered to look into anyone or anywhere else! The PA thought they had an open and shut case but there really was little evidence. Maybe I'm totally off here irdk 🤷‍♀️

[@judithsullivan9703]

The Sheriff's Department should have been called into account for not fully investigating. That family was literally torn apart because of the questions left speculation.

[@davidr1620]

Mr. Bill Carter is a salt of the earth man. I want to give that man a hug. What a tragedy.

[@TheFriendlyAntinatalist]

I have watched hundreds and hundreds of murders, and I have never seen a man grieve for his wife like Bill does for Shirley. Utterly heartbreaking.

[@PoptartParasol]

I read somewhere the man listed off 6 ways to die, and failed all of his attempts at suicide. Tragic

[@HuwDouglasEvans]

Feels like there's something weird, that we're unaware of, going on under the surface with this whole family.

[@brendaprice665]

That's what I thought. And the father doesn't look too innocent but I don't want to say in public because I would be unpopular.

[@Instrument_of_Peace]

Absolutely... looks like many family secrets...

[@Wazupiseeyou]

It’s called MONEY.

[@mypillowguy445]

Yeah defo.

[@melissadunton3534]

@@brendaprice665 LoL 😂 good idea...better keep that one to yourself. 🙄

[@Noneya.]

This is incredibly sad. Lost his soulmate and his son in one terrible day.

[@mikemiddleton8847]

let's not forget a son lost his mother AND was being accused of murdering her BY HIS OWN FATHER. i couldn't imagine a hell on earth any worse than being convicted and spending the rest of my life getting raped in prison for a crime i didn't commit based on a rumour.

[@bruteforce5550]

@@mikemiddleton8847 Did you miss the part where he said it looks like she's been there for 2 hours? Which is the time she was laying there. Or the part where the gun was missing from their home? You're delusional if you think it wasn't him.

[@PoptartParasol]

@@mikemiddleton8847 there's pain on both sides, I'm sure the father didn't like one of his other sons beating on his elderly father when the issue had nothing to do with him... I read he tried to kill himself 6 times and failed every time. It's extremely messed up on all sides

[@mikemiddleton8847]

@@bruteforce5550 did you miss the part that has him on a camera 1/2 hr away at work when the shooting happened? as a hunter that has seen that fresh blood it looks very different than blood that has pooled for a cpl hrs and as far as the rifle missing trying to connect a gun that wasn't in a locked safe being missing? 'delusion' is connecting dots that aren't there. you're excused from jury duty

[@mikemiddleton8847]

@@PoptartParasol i get the father is upset his wife was murdered but blaming 1 and the other backing up his brother prob means there's a whole lot of this family dynamic that goes back yrs before any of this took place.

[@kylieh123]

That poor guy Bill. Hearing him talk about the last time he saw his wife was heartbreaking.

[@arcticfox7153]

Agreed - 100%. What incredible pain. His money seemed to mean nothing to him without her. 😢

[@aneshiadixon8762]

@@arcticfox7153 she was the love of his life. So many people want that and they had it. It shouldn't have ended like that.

[@chasdidio1561]

The 911 call just doesn’t sit well with me. I find it unusual to say she looks like she’s been here for 2 hours. The dad obviously knows his son well enough to feel something was up with his son. My heart breaks for Shirley and her husband. Just so tragic!

[@justinmartin4662]

It looks like she was laying there for an hour, wait I forgot, that doesn’t for my alibi, I meant 2 hours! I couldn’t have done it because I set my alibis up perfectly to work with that timeline!

[@aj_meshuggah]

Bingo. Hit the nail. To say 'two hours' categorically...smelly rat.

[@GardenGuy1942]

Yeah the dad is a monster

[@CinemaDoll137]

I immediately gave him the side eye. Sir, how do you know she's been there for 2 hrs? Are you a medical examiner?

[@CinemaDoll137]

@TheMrCaptainStfu Relax Captain lmao.

[@emiach]

The prosecuting attorney probably shouldn’t have opened his statement with, “I don’t know why he did it and don’t have to tell you why.”

[@fried_tacos1587]

Yeah he's awful at his job, thats like saying "I have no clue what to say, good luck"

[@julietteoscaralphanovember2223]

Yeah, that's an odd thing for a prosecuter to say. Especially when money could have been the motive.

[@technicalout9547]

Yeah. Came off as uncertainty-death knell to the prosecution.

[@julietteoscaralphanovember2223]

Tbh, I probably would have voted the same way, unless there was more evidence. I couldn't imagine putting someone away and they were innocent. There just was no evidence. I'm actually surprised it went to trial without more investigating. Now, even if it comes to light that he did it, there's nothing that can be done. Prosecuter didn't sound too convincing by saying there was no motive, he should have brought up Financials. But then again, even if she was killed for money, it wouldn't make sense because the father was still alive and he would keep any money, land or assets. Probably what the jury was thinking too.

[@Scorch428]

Yeah, I was on his side and I didnt even beleive him haha

[@marthagutierrez2342]

Serious modern day tragedy. That family is shredded to pieces. How heartbreaking for all involved. RIP, Shirley Wife and Mother

[@yummycookie3429]

Why modern? This is old as history itself - killing for money

[@yummycookie3429]

Or for gain

[@Emma88178]

She sounded like a lovely woman, but she was more than just a wife and mother.

[@isabel152]

Happy that chapter day everyone ♥️

[@maxblak7446]

Happy that chapter day!... 💘it!! 💚🤗

[@nataliehewitt7172]

Happy days ❤️❤️

[@thisisanaccountalright]

To lose not only the love of your life, but to know one of the kids who you raised together, the symbol of that relationship, who you loved and who you thought loved you, was the one who killed them? That's hell on earth.

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

He doesn't know it, he "thinks" it. It's sad either way though

[@johnsm3568]

Doesn't happen in China much as they don't make their kids wait till they die to help them financially.

[@thecatatemyhomework]

@@butHomeisNowhere___ yes, he does know it.

[@darrelljohnson7832]

You seem to have forgotten that usually that financial assistance is expected to be returned many fold by the children in China. As they are expected to care for their parents in their old age. They aren’t “caring” for their children. They are investing in their retirement homes, and future caretakers. In the states we don’t expect our kids to wipe our asses when we get older. We try to die early of a preventable disease, or end up in a nursing home and die there. It would be nice to have family WANT to take care of me. But I absolutely don’t expect them to drop their own lives, needs, and individuality to babysit me in my old age. Shit, Alzheimer’s runs in my family, so I won’t know who my kids are anyways.

[@thecatatemyhomework]

@@johnsm3568 in the States plenty of parents help their children financially if they have the money to spare. And even if they don't have the money to spare, many people take out loans to help their children buy a home, for instance.

[@scavenger6576]

When I heard him say "She's been laying here for 2 hours" I was like, come on dude, are you giving yourself an alibi? Why the hell would you say that with no prompt?

[@mitchjohnson4714]

My guess is he slipped up.

[@mrsrock7641]

Ikr... I’d have gotten it if the call handler had prompted him to resuscitate... but to drop that statement for no reason is very odd

[@simpulsive_4484]

@@mitchjohnson4714 the cops determined it themselves and analyzed the blood and It was 2 hours. The reason why he knew was because i believe he said he hunts a lot and was in the medical field i think

[@quickchris10]

@@mitchjohnson4714 Yes and he thinks he knows it all and wanted to make sure they noticed that, for when he had an alibi. But he is a psycho who doesn't know how normal people think.

[@hawleyclan9496]

Exactly.

[@ryanbowling1654]

Best show on KZbin.. by far.. thank you Mike for giving us a reason to look forward to Tuesdays and Fridays each and every week..

[@riffdex]

A crime involving the number “3” Mike: *Surprised pikachu face*

[@darkwoods1954]

Funny how these number 3 murder cases keep happening and it's always Mike who comes on here pointing the finger at other people. I know what he's up to.....

[@superdooper50]

@@darkwoods1954 always knew there was something fishy about this guy

[@bazza99tu68]

@@darkwoods1954 very good 😂

[@marlaplunk2833]

I wanted to hit the like button on your comment, but you have 333 likes.

[@TalanXavier]

@@marlaplunk2833 tree hundred tirty tree likes?!

[@kittynamedbunny3936]

I swear Mike looks for cases where he can say “tree” 😆 knowing that we all absolutely love it!

[@michellenuzzello3015]

lol...

[@micktaylor5205]

I’m convinced he does

[@user-px8qd8dc8o]

Hahahaha yes!

[@invisiblue3212]

😂 I absolutely love that he acknowledged the fact that its so often. I hope he doesn't try to say it differently. Authentic Mike is the best 🥰👍

[@normacook8325]

I was so proud he said Des Moines correctly! Many Americans say both (silent) s's...lol

[@eyepeeoh]

I can stop refreshing now

[@ThatChapter]

Haha you're safe now

[@kelleybriscoe1051]

That man's dedication to his wife is something you don't see in this day...😓💔

[@marshalt]

Killing her and trying to pin it on his son is dedication?

[@TH-tf9ke]

@@marshalt you know damn well that isn't the context they are talking in so what is the point of commenting this

[@angelwings7930]

@@marshalt Oh shut up Jason. 🤡

[@alysonbowler9040]

@@marshalt I think this is the case, as well. Once you've known narcissists and abusers enough, you develop a knack for picking them out - and Bill screams both to me, through and through.

[@DanDan-xj8ox]

Bc men today get punished for hard work and dedication. It's viewed as a weakness and used against you in divorce court.

[@mcbrizzle82]

Between Mike and Mr.Ballen, I am becoming one paranoid guy who can not stop watching their videos

[@brettk9316]

same

[@b4ubcomeold]

Mr Ballen is not just true crime though... Mr. Ballen has a person paranoid of *ANYTHING and EVERYTHING THAT MOVES or CAN BE MOVED* When he does underwater scuba accidents I find myself *gasping for air* and falling off a cliff I find myself *holding on to the edge of the bed* or couch or whatever I'm seated in/on. Could go out to mow the lawn and end up in a sinkhole for pete sake. lol Find a man that's been living in the woods for 27 yrs. Stealing food from Cabins or Summer Camps cause he was a poor hunter. Stole food for 27 years. Since Churnoble! He went into the woods to live when Churnoble happened. I could go on and on... but you know what I mean. *PARANOID OF EVERYTHING!!!* LOL

[@Sal-uh5pc]

Same!

[@bluebabex420]

I know right.

[@judithcampbell1705]

Yes me too. Mike is a must and so is Mr Ballen

[@steviecrow914]

That dad is a badass. It takes big character to hold your son accountable.

[@albertangeloro5832]

or maybe he's a total nut.

[@christosswc]

It takes a special type of parent to raise a killer that would murder one of his family. Great parenting right there.

[@gregtrust5599]

@@christosswc people always try to make the scapegoat the parents. Great reasoning dummy

[@AmericanTrapper311]

It was probably the father that killed her

[@gregtrust5599]

@@AmericanTrapper311 no it wasn't smh, how tf do you come up with that theory

[@fairybxbyx]

I feel so sorry for bill. being married to his soulmate for over 50 years and losing her in the most devastating way... that's absolutely awful and you can just tell he's never gonna be over it

[@c.chinaski3156]

& when he talks about how he loves his son still & how hard it was to see him shackled... He lost his wife & his son, all because of greed. Bill's son made a victim of him aswell as his wife & none of them deserved any of it 😰

[@JessicaS-bb8wz]

But can I add that it kind of looks obvious he did it I mean people say poore bill they even said that she was killed around the time that she was dropped off do you know how easily it would be for bill to kill his wife and then blame is Sun who was conveniently in a situation where he could be having fingers pointed at.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

@@JessicaS-bb8wz this. Its fuckin weird she died within minutes of being dropped off, then he traveled an hour away, and then their son found her dead. It legit sounds like the husband did it and framed his kid and was able to convince the whole area and family it was him, without any real evidence. Its shady.

[@elijahmitchell195]

@@casteanpreswyn7528 Good theory 👍🏻

[@c.chinaski3156]

@@JessicaS-bb8wz wow, you're right I got so caught up in the image of the father crying over his dead wife & his son being the murder that him being the one.who did it didn't even really play into my ultimate conclusion. I do still feel bad for the father But thinking more about it, I feel terrible for the son too Because as you said, there's no solid evidence that he did it yet he has been Painted as the man who killed his mother. I shouldn't have been so quick to jump to my conclusion based pretty much off the word of the dad, who could just as likely have been the killer as the son.. I just pray that they find the real culprit & that justice is served, for the sake of Shirley's peace if nothing else.

[@powwowken2760]

This is a rough case, but to be fair, there was literally zero evidence that the Son was guilty outside of fairly shaky circumstantial evidence. Whether he was truly guilty or not isn't my place to say, but I think the jury were at least right in their decision that he wasn't "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt".

[@Peratohtori]

Exactly, there was reasonable doubt and in the second trial the prosecution tried to make an argument on emotion(even though trying to portray the opposite) while the defense focused on lack of evidence tying the son to the crime It felt like a not guilty verdict based on the opening statements alone

[@kateoleary4984]

It’s not a criminal case you don’t need reasonable doubt, it’s a civil case it just needs to be by a preponderance of the evidence highly likely he did it.

[@thomaslove6494]

@@kateoleary4984 he was talking about the criminal case in the above comment.

[@aak8297]

Ye, that was just a ghost who knew the house, where the guns were and didn't take anything from the house

[@TeamCat1128]

Agree.

[@anikajain571]

That is the strangest, most suspicious 911 call EVER. " It looks like she's been dead for 2 hours" WTH

[@eltontaylor162]

Tbf, if you've spent any time hunting, you can tell what a freshly dead body looks like. Especially the differences between fresh and coagulated blood looks like. That being said, he totally did it.

[@zuscee]

the medical examiner had also said the body had been dead for aproxx. 2 hours it’s oddly specific of him to say 2 hours even if he’s a hunter

[@deborahvoith25]

When the son said to the cops "how are you going to feel when someone else shows up dead" I wondered if there was a plan to off the dad or somebody else??

[@Jilli8310]

It is a strange 911 call. The thing that got my attention was that he mentioned the hole in the fridge. Now, look at where she was laying and where the fridge actually was. Then look at the doorway. Had he walked in, saw his mom, freaked out, immediately called 911, at what point would he be scrutinizing that fridge for bullet holes? Now I am assuming he used his cell to call 911, so unless the phone was right next to the fridge, why would he mention that in the call? In regards to the 2 hour comment, this guy strikes me as someone who is a bit odd, maybe not even too bright, and probably says strange things like that all the time, I think in his trying to cover tracks he was doing what they all do-add more info than is needed in an attempt to alibi himself. Failed miserably at it. Lastly, I'm no perfect expert, I may not investigate homicide, but I am an investigator, and the biggest red flag is motive. It may not be clear as day, but who else would go in there and kill her if it's not robbery? For what reason? Look at the photos, it's staged. He killed her, his family knows it, that prosecutor was terrible too!

[@Mike1614YT]

it's an odd comment, but not that odd. and not odd enough

[@lennyball3885]

This is such a tragic story, on so many levels. A long love story ended by a murder, a father and son torn apart, a community never feeling safe, and a crime left unpunished. 😪😪😪

[@fredrainey3038]

I mean the dad did accuse his son of murdering his mother i understand grief but damn if my dad did that to me i hope him to find the first ticket to hell

[@terencebigballs8531]

Sure look isn't that it

[@jetpetty1613]

Exactly

[@apep7188]

@@fredrainey3038 His son probably murdered his mother. Who t f says "It looks like it happened 2 hours ago" when finding their dead mother?

[@GardenGuy1942]

Yeah the dad is a monster

[@jaybyrd1325]

Can we just take a moment to realize that our boy Mike has always been consistent with his content.

[@randomness9608]

I will send you some Bubba Gump Shrimp brother peace

[@jaybyrd1325]

@@randomness9608 please do! Extra crab legz too

[@randomness9608]

@@jaybyrd1325 just shrimps bro shrimp goes with everything so it's all good.

[@_Romans10.9_]

No we will not

[@annrodriguez2891]

Mike is the absolute best!❤️❤️

[@MarkToast99]

Currently living in Iowa for school. Lacona is absolutely the middle of nowhere. The town has two whole restaurants, one of which is a bar.

[@lionelluva]

My heart breaks for Mr. Carter. The pain of losing a spouse is unimaginable. He loved her with every fiber of his being. Also knowing his son killed his mother over something he was already gonna get, is just mind blowing. I truly commend Mr. Carter’s strength. His grief runs deep.

[@surfside75]

😭😭😭

[@moserfugger6363]

Hey A.G.! You sound like a good person. I'm just pointing this out, because comments like yours are very rare on KZbin. Most times it's just childish jokes or cynical bullshit (like the comment from "A babble"). Thanks for being the exception and showing some real empathy. --- greetings from germany :-)

[@lateshagreen6533]

I agree with you whole heartedly.

[@kevinpotts123]

I honestly do not believe that Jason did it. This is the 1st time I have heard of this case, so I have no interest either way.

[@manwithnoname3024]

@@kevinpotts123 yea I’m not sure either. No evidence at all. I was thinking the dad did it. It’s weird to go so hard after a son with no real evidence.

[@jona_le_mus]

*notification:* ThatChapter I can already hear the “Hey, you.”

[@OdintheGermanShepherd]

No mike.....it’s “let’s give it a goo”

[@LyricalDreamer]

I said exactly the same thing. Lol

[@raflim]

I’m DYING

[@cherryfaith4877]

Lol 🙂

[@___LC___]

No Odin the German Shepherd, it’s “Moik”

[@SupportMensMentalHealth]

I miss it when he doesnt give it a goo

[@karenchabert2030]

The whole time Jason is testifying, he's trying to cry but not one tear falls.

[@Odette321]

Until he was waiting for the verdict and scared. He cares about no one but himself. I hope his wife doesn't have a life insurance policy because his mother was disposable for money.

[@reignman30]

The "crying" during the 911 call seemed more like whining too.

[@jailynlomas5409]

as soon as i heard “looks like she’s been here for about 2 hours. i dont know WHAAATTT happened” i knew. that poor father.

[@amber_Forever16]

Jason didn’t do it! He knew that from killing animals and how blood looks after a few hours! He couldn’t have done it he was an hour away!

[@daniellebyers352]

That was my immediate response as well. I want to go back and review his interrogation again because that statement makes him look extremely guilty.

[@herrschmidt5477]

it's one of the last things you would say

[@CrystalRicotta]

As if all women don’t know this from their moon cycles. Men have to kill animals to figure that out.

[@jenniferatwell9698]

The whole call did make him sound guilty. And even in his interrogation, his whole "you guys are gonna feel stupid when the killer strikes again" speech was sounded off too. But the biggest thing going against him for me is his own father being convinced he did it. It would take alot for a parent to even think that way and who knows him better than his father?

[@katiecall9112]

you are so much more confident in your videos than you used to be 😭 so proud. you’re great mike.

[@mzclara6392]

His style hasn't changed in over 2 Ana half yrs?!!

[@pegs1659]

@@mzclara6392 No his style hasn't changed but he does seem so much more confident.

[@steveschwartzman7131]

Bowtie lawyer popped up without warning and I had to pause the video and contain myself. You can't just spring a bowtie on us like that.

[@SmartStart24]

Samee when he awkwardly walked over and pointed at Jason I laughed and instantly felt bad 😭

[@CrystalSmith-uk6hd]

Hahaha

[@wolfwhistlewoowoo6297]

LMAO RIGHT??? In a long tux like he's at his own wedding

[@somebarf]

he looks like Conan O'Brian

[@ihatecommunism9958]

*Bam..Bow tie!!!"

[@Sonny84586]

“The courtroom in tears.” Yeah, everyone except Jason.

[@TheRadiantSoap_]

He Physically could not have done it

[@caliboyizhere]

FRIDAY IS CHAPTER DAY🙌🏽❤️📩

[@moonshine814]

🤗🤗 I've been waiting patiently 🤣

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

For me in NZ it's Saturday morning, but that's all good.

[@christopher.d.parks.5]

Which chapter?

[@ginashemeth7708]

@@It-is-me...Melsie ah yes we Americans are amazingly oblivious to other time zones Have a great Saturday NZ!

[@MsJazbren]

It's Saturday. But close enough.

[@theexmustbeparanoid]

That chapter is one of the only channels that always reaches the same if not more views than subscribers. Every video. It just shows how much we all love these, I was having an awful morning. Regularly scheduled that chapter is a staple in my day and I'm thankful

[@frosty_teacup]

That's definitely a sign of high quality content, but I wish more people would subscribe! I mean, if you're going to come and watch every video anyway, you might as well give him a sub! There's always a huge amount of people on most channels, who come to watch regularly but don't subscribe for some reason. Definitely strange, maybe we should investigate and give it a goo sometime! 🤔

[@robinmartz9052]

Every time there’s a murder in a house where someone pulls out drawers and makes a big mess of papers and stuff, it’s always an “inside job”. They think if they make it look like someone was searching for valuables, it will look like a robbery. I noticed right off the bat he mentioned the bullet holes. If MY Mom was dead on the floor I wouldn’t notice anything else!

[@mrs.schmenkman]

Actually... it was only in the OFFICE hint hint.. I'll give you $700,000 to search DAD's computer... mom comes home suddenly and ends up dead. You do the math. Daddy has a big giant secret. Watch his face, he is lying in every single video.

[@goofygurl4628]

the 911 call he seemed to give himself an alibi or two....not to mention the fake crying ...

[@jannetteberends8730]

I couldn’t agree more. That was strange, plus the 2 hour remark. That also appears to be spot on, according to the coroner. On the other hand, it not an exact estimate of course. But the father is also a bit suspicious in my eyes. The weeping was a bit overdone. And he sued his son, so didn’t have to pay him the heritage money. And I don’t think real thief’s make such a mess. Why would they search for valuables between the paperwork?

[@annehedonia156]

@@jannetteberends8730 He didn't have to spend $700k to leave him out of the Will.

[@jannetteberends8730]

@@annehedonia156 not his will, no. But her will. The sun is entitled to that money when she died. Otherwise the sun had no reason at all to murder her.

[@amieaiello3456]

I’m heartbroken for his Dad. To be loved like that. We should all be so lucky.

[@amandalanson2034]

This is such a beautiful comment.

[@t3tebow]

Please don’t ever change the music in your show. Especially at the beginning- it makes no sense and it cracks me up.

[@atmywhitson]

I 1000% agree!! 💙 I really enjoy the songs Mike plays they tie the stories together perfectly. My favorite is one of the more sad/melancholy like tunes he adds in during sad moments.

[@meganleigh6611]

That "tree" always gets my heart melting 🥴

[@cherylquine247]

Mike has a new top and I cannot deal with it. I am obsessed with the continuity of the clothing and just how damn pristine it always is.

[@daniellebyers352]

He's like a LL Bean or Land's End ad!! Immaculate.

[@shannonmcnamee8586]

This was my first thought. I gasped... "a new murder shirt!!" and promptly scrolled the comments to make sure I wasn't the only one.

[@talloncusack]

Lmao

[@thecorvus100]

I like how the father said if he had been home that day then he would have also been killed but still lives down the street from his son. Creeeeepy.

[@Odette321]

Yeah I'd be selling up and moving closer to my other kids. Hopefully he does soon before his son can kill him and try to make it look like an accident.

[@hannahj8099]

The husband really made me cry. Pure love, selfishly taken from him. I’m so sorry for him 😭

[@soysaucehairdye7869]

Imagine being Jason if he is actually innocent and having everyone including his dad believe that he murdered his mom. That would be a nightmare, but i'm not convinced that he is innocent either.

[@dmreddragon6]

I think he murdered his mom, and tried to frame his dad. Time of death can be manipulated. He could have blasted the heat to make it seem she had been dead longer. If it had worked he would have his mom dead, and his dad in prison, and likely have control over his parents farm, etc.

[@soysaucehairdye7869]

@@dmreddragon6 his 911 call definitely sounds like a call from a guilty person

[@3SIXTYPROD]

I was thinking the same but the dad didn’t

[@mina0rahman]

@@soysaucehairdye7869 but that doesn't count as evidence. Also how could he be at a store so far away and at his mom's at the same time?

[@forallthestupidshit3550]

@@dmreddragon6 there's no evidence that the heat was blasted though. And if it had been, it would have made Jason look worse, because the videoed truck evidence would have been useless. Also, T.O.D can't be manipulated to conclusively show a wrong time with heat and cold. It would just be inconclusive.

[@xoxo_gg]

bill’s interview @12:02 broke me, he did truly love her 🥺

[@yes0r787]

Yes. Sooo sad.

[@joannakneafsey1964]

Absolutely ❤️💕

[@bethanyoneal5789]

It was incredibly sad 😢

[@damac5136]

The missing rifle seems pretty difficult to explain, if you ask me.

[@jluchette]

My health took a turn for the worse last summer, and I’ve been unable to leave my house (except for Dr./hospital fun) regardless of the pandemic. Needless to say, I’ve watched a LOT of KZbin. That Chapter is the absolute best channel I’ve found. Phenomenonally interesting, concise, entertaining stories. Thanks for all your effort, Mike.

[@JNMKlover]

Agreed! Give Observe a goo too🤗

[@EXLR8N]

Same, Jack. Lots of hospital, Dr. Follow up and staying home. I have to remind myself there's an actual lock down. God bless your journey, too.

[@LuckyLu602]

@Jack Luchette I hope you get better soon!

[@LuckyLu602]

@@EXLR8N hope you get better soon as well!

[@mariapalladino2473]

My parents have told me what I’ll be getting when they pass and I have ZERO desire to murder them because of it. It’s pretty messed up that anyone would think that. Even if I was financially screwed there’s no way in hell I would murder my parents for it. That poor man who lost his wife. So heartbreaking

[@rror-nl4lh]

ZERO desire to murder your parents? Stupid! How could you even think about it. Pray for their long live. No money and wealth in the world can get your parents back.

[@matthewmcguire64]

My dad died March 18, id take him over anything coming in a heart beat

[@rror-nl4lh]

@@matthewmcguire64 sorry to hear that. He is in a better place now

[@KQuinn672]

@@matthewmcguire64 😨sorry for ur loss!

[@TapDancerDood]

+Error1010 1 No disrespect to the man who lost his Dad, but how on earth do you know he's in a better place? We don't even know if he was a Christian.

[@anthonysanchez4402]

50 years plus with the same person I couldn't even imagine the pain of losing them

[@JNMKlover]

Even 10 years would kill me.

[@braraa]

People dying everyday its normal

[@TahtahmesDiary]

@@braraa The people you love typically don’t drop daily tho and I think you know that.

[@braraa]

@@TahtahmesDiary yeah people shouldn’t die like that

[@jeffoff7795]

I really love the music that Mike uses. And the rest of it.

[@Roy-jy6vp]

'Ooooooh noo..sniff, sniff...It looks like she's been dead for two hours, 3 minutes and 12 seconds. Give or take. But I had nothing to do with it.'

[@deborahprosper751]

😂😂😂

[@jamesmueller8701]

,,, grandma and grandpa had a small farm ,, and i've hunted all my life .. i've been around enough blood to have a pretty good idea how long it has been there ... and this guy has A LOT more ""time on the farm"", than me .. so i had to rule that part out, as having any value to me ...... RIP to the Mom ... and "tree" cheers for Mike ... LOL

[@AliasUndercover]

Yeah. That's the only thing that looks incriminating to me. But it looks pretty bad.

[@eugeniaskelley5194]

@@jamesmueller8701 Yah, I would agree.

[@a.b.d.3974]

That was funny

[@danielleclukey6827]

I miss when you say “let’s give it a goo” before you start the chapter!!! Please mike bring it back 🤓🥺

[@MusicLeeSarah]

Yeah Mike give it another goo!

[@migulikutiwolfe1859]

Me too 😪

[@RyanPowerhouse]

He says it in this video @ 20:59

[@dawnnorthrop3114]

I look forward to "Let's give it a gooh" with the start of the music...

[@dellaboca9737]

I got hung up in the beginning... THATS what was missing 😂

[@ChristionGirl45]

"They would go on to have three children, of course they would" Do you expect any different at this point Mike?? 😂

[@Nyarlathothep]

Tree children.

[@C4M3120N]

I'm convinced that Mike only chooses content with tree's in it.

[@22ergie]

TREE!

[@melany.muraour]

Hehehe 🌲🌲🌲

[@veryrancid3128]

Tree children are the skariest

[@annierose8099]

21:04 “the other children of the corn” that rack me up! I love watching your shows, been doing it for a while now and the things that you say Mike and do is so funny, it makes me forget my trouble mind. I am enjoying every moment of it. Thanks Mike 😊 stay safe 😷

[@CupcakeMcGregor]

Does anyone else watch all of Mike's videos multiple times?

[@MusicLeeSarah]

I was watching the Janelle what was her name? You know the girl that made up a whole bunch of personas and said that they were coming after her because she was too pretty and she was like well like she wasn't too pretty and then she convinced her family that there was a CIA agents and convinced her dad he was going on a mission to kill the people that she started beef with... Potter Janelle Potter! Can you tell her I used talk to text? LMAO also I was rewatching the Scott Lee Kimball one because I was attempting to send it to mary, the mother of his first victim Jennifer and it was just kind of playing as I was trying to forward it so I figured why not finish the rest of it?

[@gazXspace]

No

[@lemondrizzlecake318]

I'm currently on triple viewings!

[@YelløwKing666]

@@MusicLeeSarah janelle potter lol I just rewatched that one as well...

[@sarahdixon6011]

No.....

[@deniserossiter1059]

There HAS to be more to this family’s story (especially in the past) than we will probably EVER learn or understand unless there is a full confession from one of them some day. Truly sad story.

[@Odette321]

The other two kids know their brother is a mooching liar too. Not hard for him to have gone around and killed his mother and put her in a cold place for an hour then move her back to make it look longer. He does after all know all about killing animals like all good psychos.

[@sarahalbers5555]

Yep. Would love to know the back story here.

[@Doom_Slug]

What? Another of the fathers sons attacked the father, what kind of nonsense are you spouting? What a suspicious fellow!

[@Elguapoe]

@@Odette321 that is absolutely ridiculous, there would be so much forensic evidence of that. lol

[@yummycookie3429]

@@Odette321 forensics can tell when the body has been moved from the pooling of blood in the body

[@rebekahjcowan]

The week is COMPLETED, now you’ve posted.

[@MusicLeeSarah]

I still got ded bugs says posting on Saturday and I feel that my week is slightly incomplete because where the hell was Bailey sarian on Monday

[@michaelcooper9705]

@Phuc Yu I bet they don't love you though.

[@jemand7488]

@Phuc Yu keep it in your pants homie

[@jessiegrisham6312]

Aww you can see the pain in bills face :( that is just so heartbreaking 😭

[@SM-vx6bu]

Mike has poisoned my mind to be excited whenever I see a new murder case lol

[@whoisharo4689]

Yessss

[@supernova2897]

Me too😂

[@williamrae9954]

Mike keeps me awake by laughing as i drive up the boring French m/ways in the truck at night....i listen to him through the truck speakers!

[@janetwestwood9194]

👨‍🏫 👈👀👉 🚛 ☝😂😁😷☝🇬🇧

[@brendaprice665]

Me too. I'm excited and happy when someone is chopped up.

[@TheSunshineBrittany]

I work in law and used to prepare Wills. Do not talk about your Will with anyone 👏🏼

[@scharf74]

Let me ask you something. Does it make sense that Jason would inherit Shirley’s estate with the Dad still alive? Don’t most spouses leave their estates to each other, and then if something happen to the both of them, the kids are next? Doesn’t this seem confusing that he would Kill his mom to get her land when the Dad(who probably ALSO owns the land) is still alive?

[@Wazupiseeyou]

@@scharf74 The plan was to get rid of both.

[@melissadunton3534]

Doesn’t matter if you have nothing to leave anyone. Or if you have only one child and no spouse...like me. I guess I could will my house to my cats, but I’m not crazy...so...

[@petergianakopoulos4926]

Can you elaborate kindly

[@gayledimitri5887]

Yes, and if you do let your beneficiaries know what your intentions are! When you are gone, it’s nothing but fighting in the family. Money truly pulls people apart! ( it has nothing to do with the amount, or someone’s financial status, the claws come out!) ✌️

[@tylerk6206]

Cannot imagine how the dad feels. To be so certain you know who took the light of your life, and being unable to do a thing about it

[@christopherstrong4119]

Love his upbeat attitude towards expressing how the video goes, the story is 10xs better when you have someone so passionate about what all happened, the beginning and the end, THANK YOU, MIKE

[@unclesamzbastardsonu.s.b.s9315]

Me: "My family is so dysfunctional. *Watches video* Me: "I ever tell you all how much I love you???"

[@maureenngalu1718]

Love it! GOLD!

[@sixthsenseamelia4695]

A crime has been committed! Someone stole Mike's burgundy shirt 😱

[@dididothat2245]

He just switched it to blue on us! Which looks good with his eyes, I think! Yeah...I’m crushing on mike...husband already knows...and he binge watches with me so I think he’s man crushing on ol’ mike, as well...lol

[@loveforeignaccents]

LOL!

[@queenz5706]

"She woke him up with 'brekie'...." GOD Mike, you are so adorable!!!!!!

[@MontanaDior]

I seriously hope I find someone who will love me the way Bill loves Shirley... 💔

[@XQsizZz]

Surely you will.

[@MontanaDior]

@@XQsizZz Thanks Tony! I hope everyone does 🤗

[@noda2ful]

Same

[@retro_wanderluster9962]

I kinda gave up on that idea for myself

[@TheFriendlyAntinatalist]

Yeah I have never seen a man grieve for his wife like Bill does for Shirley. You can really see the man dying inside without her.

[@varschnitzschnur8795]

As a descendant of men who emigrated from Killkenny in the 1700s, I'd like say you do do a great job. Also, your pronunciation of turdy tree and tree are always delightful.

[@pattyslater514]

This story is just so sad. My heart breaks for that man. To be still so deeply IN love ALL of those years together is remarkable. I hope for his sake that there is an afterlife where they can once again be together..... and I'm an Atheist.

[@jcmottern]

I've been with my wife for 21 years, since I was 18. I wouldn't know what do without her.

[@dellaboca9737]

I just DIED seeing Bill talk about his wife... I can’t breathe thinking bout the gravity of the loss this man has endured...

[@daniellebyers352]

Yes, this one hit many folks hard. This is a horrible case and absolutely heartbreaking.

[@DontarrestmePLZ]

He probably did it.

[@3SIXTYPROD]

Has to be unbearable

[@miabailey2236]

Not a great choice of words lol

[@christopherwhiteside4448]

I'm sure you can breathe fine

[@themechaniacal1558]

"They farmed and lived and farmed and loved..." :D Love it.

[@mariachest9629]

Mike you are so entertaining and informative, is a pleasure to watch your channel, always taking us through the event in a light, fluent, fun way, you are one of the best , greetings from L.A California, USA

[@blakie211]

Still the only youtuber I watch the instant a video drops. Thanks Mike ya legend!

[@peetpeetpeetpeet]

uploaded one minute ago but still 30 comments already. dedicated fan base this is

[@jacqueline3782]

"Had to be tree. Of course it is." Lmao, as if you could love him anymore.

[@contessaeller4108]

"I'll never get over her" bless Mr. Carter's heart

[@rhuxmash]

My day is made now that “That Chapter” has uploaded 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@marklast6474]

I see you have increased your shirt collection by 25%.

[@loveforeignaccents]

LOL, you mathematical little prodigy, you :-)

[@janetwestwood9194]

🚨🤭😄😁😂😷👍💋🚨🚨🚨🇬🇧

[@DappsJames]

The comment we were all looking for!

[@iadorenewyork1]

Mike may have special shirts he wears for these presentations.

[@mamabear8150]

That poor man crying for his wife 😢 so sad. What an awful situation to be in to have to fight to have your son to be charged for killing your wife 😢

[@annwithaplan9766]

Debbie McMahon - And your other son later beats you up. You can bet he changed his will.

[@kateturner1849]

What an amazing relationship the mom and dad had. So much love and respect. These commitments just don't exist today. ❤️🌹

[@luciankristov6436]

God i feel so bad for bill. I couldn't imagine not having my girl with me until the end of days for me. My world would lose a lot of color and would never be the same . Hope bill has found peace in his pain . 🙏🏻

[@carolyngair7051]

Mike is single handedly bringing the term “You know yourself” into the American psyche!

[@mypillowguy445]

Shure, you know yerself.

[@bettynolo23]

As an Irish person, this pleases me😁 but shure you know yourself!

[@danielbrown1724]

I have to say Mike, there are many reasons why your show is dope af!! But one I rarely talk about is the use of music. I’m a musician so I have a strong appreciation for the right kind of emotive-invoking music and you always seem to hit it just right. That one piece you use with the melodic guitar is lovely. Always puts me deeper into the story you’re telling. Well done mate!! 🤟🤟🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@aye70aye]

Couldnt agree more! Its fitting, doesnt overwhelm the story like some examples Ive seen, just complements his narrative.

[@sophiefrankis9476]

No matter whose guilty and whose innocent, the very thought of having your whole family turn against you is horrifying.