The Strongest and Weakest Jobs in Dawntrail | Xeno Explains FFXIV Balance and Best Tank Skill Speed

Xeno goes over the damage numbers for all jobs in Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail and explains which are the best and which are the worst, and also gives suggestions on which jobs should get a buff or a nerf.
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[@_Jacks_]

Warrior doesnt need a buff because it has a debuff that no other tanks have called Healer Strike

[@Staineless84]

Based

[@cormeaga]

I don't think Warrior mains care for something they don't need.

[@airraid1266]

Counterpoint: The Balance.

[@OceanPolaris_]

Lmfao

[@OfficialDjTalksick]

Dude the healers not healing me can eat a fat one 😂

[@kirifps]

Crazy to me that people say viper does no damage for the “effort required” when it’s currently topping charts and takes minimal brain power

[@beckham3533]

if u wanna min max viper then there are some optimizations u gotta do but for most players, you just hit the flashing skill ngl LMAO

[@kirifps]

@@beckham3533 Opti is one thing true lol, but yea your average viper can hit what glows and still top charts. Class is fine where it’s at, if anything it should get harder not easier

[@rickmel09]

but RPR, SAM, and arguably dragoon take equally as little brain power while also having lower APM and easier/fewer positionals

[@richardwallis9374]

People always complain

[@kirifps]

@@rickmel09 Viper is only fast under reawaken just like how reaper is only fast under enshroud. I’d argue viper is THE easiest melee in the entire game to pick up and do good damage with. Extremely high DPS floor with a good ceiling for the people that do wanna optimize. Plus all your skills can fit into 1 hotbar..

[@1011skarn]

Warrior does not need a buff, unless you buff it's dmg and nerf the shit out of it's sustain. DARK KNIGHT STILL NEEDS SUSTAIN

[@ikecampbell2221]

Yeah somehow Abyssal Drain still sucks 💀

[@HowlingDoom]

​@@ikecampbell2221 Please SE, make Abyssal drain good.

[@ApexGale]

it's especially funny because in the FF games that's literally what DRK does - spend health to do damage, then recover that HP with spells. and yet it has like 1 sustain ogcd

[@jmw10891]

I dont understand when people say a job is too hard for them. Just don't play the job. If a job is hard because you can't adjust to the playstyle, or the damage sucks, that's at least a matter of opinion. When you're actually fighting the game to get the job to play the way it's intended to be played, that's when it's a problem

[@ThatRedHusky]

Giving Reaper like 2983042346 extra potency in their 2min window shot them up. Shocker.

[@yoyomama99]

Isnt it just one extra button for RPR?

[@TheArnoldification]

@@yoyomama99 they gave existing moves more potency, e.g. their 3rd hit has almost as much potency as stardiver on dragoon now lol

[@voidtalongaming4637]

@@TheArnoldification Yep lets just consider even the most BASIC 1-2-3 combo... True Thrust (230) vs Slice (420) Lance Barrage (340) vs Waxing Slice (500) Heavens Thrust (440) vs Nightmare Slice (600) Total: 1010 vs 1520 Potency. Not counting Dragoon also has their secondary set True > Spiral > Chaotic Spring which is 830 + 360 (+45 per 3s ticks) for a total of 1,190 Potency dragged out over time. Both jobs have marginal raid DPS with Dragoon getting Battle Litany, which still only gives potential returns by skewing up critical spread... versus a flat +3% Raid Damage or 3 potency per 100 potency from everyone in the raid. I am no math wizard but for the sake of argument let's assume they are actually even and Litany is not the worse one. They are both 20 seconds long. Burst/Capstones: Dragonfire Dive + Rise of the Dragon + High Jump + Mirage Dive + Stardiver Starcross + x3 Nastronds, Wyrmwind and Giers = 4770 Potency versus Gluttony, Blood Stalk, x2 Executioners Gibbet and x2 Executioners Gallows, x2 Lemure Slice, Sancrificum and Perfectio even if we factor Void Reaping / Cross Reaping being 520 and not the 820 Executioner Versions... I will have to admit I do not have RPR at max level... 5,150 if my math is wrong or 5,750 if my math is somewhat right. So baseline 1-2-3 Reaper is almost 55% stronger Adding up all burst abilities it's 8% on low estimate and 18% on other math. So yeah... I guess if I want to contribute more to a raid. Reaper is what I have to play.

[@TheArnoldification]

@@voidtalongaming4637 Yeah, the potencies right now are out of wack, like to the point you should hace known x was too much/little even without testing. Thankfully dragoon is still good, it could be worse like the travesty that is 7 0 black mage lol

[@TheTerrorofDeath23]

I was so happy being a reaper main seeing the buffs

[@jamvng]

Going off the latest update, they're probably just going to buff BLM. BLM should be at least doing as much damage as PCT is.

[@relaxxed_]

I feel like BLM should do the most DPS if played optimally. It is a very tough job to play, and the limited movement should be rewarded with high dps

[@waterscape8198]

should be doing more than PCT it's not even a question.

[@waterscape8198]

@@relaxxed_ exactly one small mistake on blm and it's a huge dps loss , i don't think people understand how hard is it to play BLM correctly in difficult raid content. PCT shouldn't even come close to BLM dmg , they better fix that stuff asap or i'm raiding on RDM this whole expension

[@DarrellMontrice]

@@waterscape8198 Truth is most of these "famous" blms are doing their videos months after progs over in full bis with a hundred kills in the fight and the entire thing mapped out. 90% of them are just detrimental dance partner chasing trash.

[@soldierorsomething]

Maybe the BLM dmg sucks because they still havent done the fight 100 times as an black mage

[@DerioTheArtist]

If all tanks damage should be the same then all tanks sustain should be cranked to warrior levels

[@GoatOfWar]

Invuln cooldowns too, and party mits.

[@devxved]

I dont see why thats a crazy idea either. Im all for it.

[@TheAsj97]

Sure, then you'd get a million whiners on the forum complaining they're homogenizing the jobs even more.

[@jin6186]

@@TheAsj97 You already get whiners as it is, you'll get complaints no matter what SE does. What they should actually do is bring back tank identity for high end content with the old aggro system and leave the homogenized version of tanks to casual content, that way we can all be happy.

[@magikazam8430]

@@TheAsj97 I mean, right now the issue is that Warrior is kind of the favorite child when it come to tank. They keep asking and gettign stuff that were unique to other tanks, but when other tank ask for thing like sustain, they complain that Homogenization is a thing. Like, SE just need to stop playing favorite and just choose a side. Either homogenise completly or make it so every class can keep their unique stuff.

[@kamil118]

I can't wait for them to increase glare potency without increasing misery potency

[@MainUkraine]

Xeno just forgot Monk existed in this video.

[@HeavyMetalLink05]

Most people forgot monk existed ;_;

[@MainUkraine]

@@HeavyMetalLink05 ever since hitting lvl 100 I've been sweating my balls off just to pull average dps on Monk...

[@ApexGale]

​@@MainUkraine the rotation feels like cheeks man. like if they wanted to get rid of having to manage uptimes whatever, but now i have to undo my 2 2 3 muscle memory and it feels awful

[@esRaortiz]

They need to just decide on what DRK is, Is it the number one DPS burst Tank alongisde GNB or are they going to homogenize all the tanks and give DRK regen. I'm tired of them walking the tight rope and not giving DRK an identity.

[@GoatOfWar]

Any time Drk is given an identity War cucks get mad and they get it too

[@ryanrobby2]

Exactly this. DRK has been my fav tank since forever but it sucks to play it cause it's just been budget warrior for ages, without any of the actual healing abilities.

[@neoh7939]

idk how to feel about drk to be honest, for hard content the mit is so good. but then you do a dungeon and you wanna jump off a cliff (delete LD)

[@ZelosSama]

maybe having no identity is his identity lol

[@esRaortiz]

@@ZelosSama at this point I believe it.

[@muovikallo]

And now they're gonna dumb down Viper because it's "too busy" for some people. 😮‍💨

[@the7blargs]

I played it throughout the whole story of DT and yeah it's easy, the only thing I can maybe see them doing is taking off the positionals for dreadwinder and hunters coil I guess

[@troll5262]

While it is easy I do think it has a lot of weird redundancies going on it. Like they gave it extra buttons to compensate for the condensed combo buttons. It's not hard, just really weirdly done and all over the place.

[@kirifps]

@@troll5262even with “extra” buttons the class only has 11 buttons

[@JxzzCat]

It has 6 positionals. They will probably just remove the positionals from some of the skills.

[@Deminese2]

@@JxzzCat the positionals are fine on the regular combos but they need to be removed from dreadwinger and coil. shits annoying.

[@Frostbyte115]

Honestly? I want to see them buff things rather than nerf things.

[@GoatOfWar]

But that brings powercreep..

[@Forever18or21]

knwoing SE they gonna nerf it lol

[@DanBurtonCodes]

So then they buff enemy hp bars too and it ends up being the equivalent of a nerf

[@aidang217]

black mage in shambles. No but real talk I haven't played Picto yet since I am doing MSQ as tank, but I swear their burst damage is insane. I'm always getting aggro taken away from me by Pictos when I run between packs.

[@MrXxsnipesXx]

Man i thought i was going crazy. I was doing all i normally do and i STILL lost aggro lmao

[@zachmileshydra]

BLM getting gutted hurts my soul. Why did they do that to it 😂😭🤣

[@miniguylad2827]

Something I noticed is that most of the jobs got potency increases to several important damage skills but BLM only got increases to their dot and fire/blizzard 3 which isn't the most important for BLMs damage. My guess is that BLM had a decent gap in damage in Endwalker and they were scared about doing the same increases but now that the numbers are out they see they held back too much. BLM potency increases are coming in 7.05 so I think the damage output after that will likely be similar to picto

[@Jay-mx5ky]

@miniguylad2827 it's because blm gets a universal buff via the Enochian trait. That's how they have worked for a couple expansions. The new enochian went from 23% buff in endwalker to 30% buff in Dawntrail. They likely are gonna just buff enochian and not touch most of the pure BLM potencies like they usually have done.

[@miniguylad2827]

@@Jay-mx5ky the lodestone mentions they'll be making adjustments to "action potencies" so I don't think it'll just be an enochian change as enochian is a trait. Unless "action potencies" is code for enochian somehow. We'll have to wait and see

[@Paandaas]

Yoshi P was too distracted playing Elden Ring DLC to make sure his favorite class is strong

[@Some.Legend]

Because Yoshi-P switched to Pictomancer 🤣

[@NeoSpira]

like how even here in the comments, no one really talks about rpr, they just be vibin, chillin.

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

I too discovered that this is somehow ALWAYS the case with Reapers 😂

[@The_vataru_guy]

Pretty simple. Our job is in a good spot, fun to play and got cool nice things from the developers. We’re just enjoying our time.

[@Lemon_Force]

chillin...killin

[@spetsu1]

I main blm and I died and rolled in my grave when I saw this chart. Then again, I'm still out damaging the vipers and pictos in my parties, so at least that's something.

[@cattysplat]

Most vipers and pictos have absolutely no idea what they are doing and I guess that's OK because new job and all. But eventually they will learn.

[@spetsu1]

@cattysplat I know I'm just hoping they buff blm by the time they learn. When someone actually knows what they're doing, I'm 3rd on agro, and that kills me since I'm not used to seeing that unless I'm with a Sam or unless I'm in a full party raid. It makes me feel like I'm not playing my class correctly.

[@soldierorsomething]

I kinda feel the same but as a monk, people say that its not doing dmg but if you just keep hitting buttons you still somehow end up on top?!?

[@CanisMythson]

Meanwhile me on Viper in a full Fate chain with no tank anywhere among like 30 people: Haha... I'm in danger!

[@spetsu1]

@@CanisMythson just pop second wind and blood bath, I'm sure that'll help lol.

[@jg2096]

Who would've thought. Taking away the extra mana regen with blood weapon would drop DRK to 3rd.

[@janekgaganek3871]

Also plunge damage vanished, they should have increased 123 dmg on respecitve level

[@Yokai_Yuri]

DRK is utter shit. All they did was to change the animations for attacks to the "upgraded version". Too away their MP sustain skill and the class as always feels squishy and unfun to play.

[@jg2096]

​@@Yokai_Yuri This! This right here. My tanks have the same exact gear same stats and yet DRK recieves more damage than my pld or gnb. TBN is near worthless now and we still have dead buttons for the most part. The "upgraded versions" only adds 20 potency more than the extra attack you got from the 5 stacks of blood weapon but you lose out on the regeneration by I think 1100 mana (if my calcs are correct). The living shadow with no resource use is nice but, not enough. Make edge and flood cost less but DON'T nerf potency. 2000 mana would be a godsend and increase my dps a lot. Maybe add something to tbn to mitigate more. The other tanks got that. Honestly it feels like we're the red headed step child of the tanks where WAR and GNB are the favorite.

[@noahsmith865]

​@jg2096 tbn is nowhere near useless nor is drk squishy, learn to play the job correctly

[@jg2096]

@@noahsmith865 "learn to play the job" nevermind that I've taken DRK through EX and savage (no ult so I can't claim that). When doing dungeon it's airways TBN plus 1 mit to get the save result as the other tanks. PLD gets mana regeneration with less cost to it's mana abilities and it's signature cooldown gives life gain too. Just because I point out the flaws of my main job doesn't mean I don't know how to play it. Try that with someone else.

[@pastaboy1338]

whatever happen to this game i don't care, but WAR definitely doesn't need a buff.

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

I still find it absurd that the tank with an actual fucking shield feels the most squishy out of all the tanks.

[@AkudamaEXE]

Why do you need a shield when you got a gun? 😎🎉🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🎆🎆🎆

[@CrimsonPrince-b5w]

You must be doing something wrong then

[@83917Michael]

Only feels squishy compared to WAR's insanity maybe. Change ConfiteorCombo and holy circle to proc their heal per target hit like Bloodwhetting and the gap would close. Could also change Sheltron/Intervention to heal when hit. While we're at it, can we replace Cover with something completely different that isn't useless 99.99% of the time?

[@CrimsonPrince-b5w]

@83917Michael squishy means you lose health fast. Pld mits higher than war. War is squishy. You just don't feel it bc of how much you're healing

[@Pachiku93]

Being PLD is suffering

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Yeah. You are made of mitigation, but it doesn't matter if you can't hit those DPS checks.

[@jin6186]

@@BlitzkriegOmega The only time where paladin was unviable was during the first two weeks of p8s, after that and for the rest of the tiers including p4s the job was fine, there were literally no tight dps checks in any raid of endwalker besides the unbalanced version of p8s, literally no one cares if you play paladin with the exception of maybe hardcore week 1 groups.

[@83917Michael]

Only tank i haven't leveled to 100 so far is DRK, but in dungeons PLD feels better than GNB to me. Less of a difference than between WAR and PLD, but I can carry a dead party through a boss fight easier on PLD than GNB. On GNB I may not even be able to do some than PLD could. I suppose that's just one way of looking at things. But yeah, more dps please. Preferably up the potency on the confiteor combo, that's what feels the most fun, so why not give it more punch?

[@denixboi8004]

I am so sad as a drk main like we used to have good damage but less sustainability which i found ok now it does lower dmg and has bad sustainability compared to other tanks. The biggest tell that they dgaf is that the new drk gapcloser doesnt even have a sound effect xddTree

[@GoatOfWar]

Streamer endorsed favouritism. Axe clown being second on tank dps is wild. Best invuln, best party mit, best sustain and the most mobility. Why isn't it at the botom?

[@jin6186]

@@GoatOfWar lets not forget that its also the easiest class in the game to play. Just hard press your ogcds and spam 1-2-3 > fell cleave and you'll easily get high purples or oranges on warrior. Now that normal gcds don't use inner release stacks you literally can't even overcap gauge, so the only way to mess up your rotation is by not resetting your storms eye buff, if a warrior is doing bad damage then they're beyond incompetent at the game.

[@magikazam8430]

@@jin6186 Now now, Your underestimating how hard Clown axe are to play, they aint the easiest class in the game, That would be SMN...

[@StriderZessei]

Ninja buffs mentioned!

[@Workplaylister]

So my Jobs are all trash D: Paladin, Whitemage and Sumoner

[@joshkary5040]

Unfortunately you play the easiest jobs of each role so yeah they get tanked earlier in expansions and have to be buffed typically to be good

[@Workplaylister]

@@joshkary5040 Yea I am horrible at the game so I have to play the easiest jobs but I'd argue warrior is not much harder than any of those

[@Preshiro]

This is me too!! Kind of sad :(

[@SPB___]

​@@joshkary5040"get good" like any of you are truly min/maxing and pushing content at a level where it matters what job you play

[@joshkary5040]

@@SPB___ literally no one here said get good

[@captainziggy82]

War doesn’t need buffs lmfao

[@GoatOfWar]

War receives streamer endorsed favouritism

[@jin6186]

All warrior needs is a complete rework, preferably a reverse summoner rework to make the class actually interesting.

[@captainziggy82]

@@jin6186 agreed, job is a snooze fest

[@jamesharbor4893]

bootdk monks rising up to the challenge

[@Jay-mx5ky]

Nah yall getting removed next patch.

[@KrazyBean14]

Let's enjoy it while we can lol.

[@andrewcassell8757]

I like to imagine that there is just a giant ascii futa hydra every time the chat gets blurred.

[@Til_What]

This might sound weird but I wish healers had 1-2 more damage buttons, Sage excluded. If the people you're playing with don't face-tank random shit, it's just too much of spamming 1. Every healer has skills that are so situational that you rarely ever need to use them. Just swap those for a bit of DPS, maybe off GCD DPS and you're not even bloating the skill bar. Just my take though. I love healing, but sometimes you really feel like a bench member until people mess up.

[@TheMonteleone]

I was on 25k opener on my gunbreak at 700ilv He feels so good when rng is with you

[@danikame9481]

If picto were paladin, it would’ve been nerfed in a hotfix during early access.

[@SammehEatWorld]

As a Warrior main I really appreciate that they gave us two more whole fell cleave buttons

[@Govakhelsborne]

Did he say GNB 2.1? Is it possible to learn this power?

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Not from a Warrior.

[@Saterienne]

He means 2.41

[@Shikori_Tsuru]

Missed me? GUNMODE

[@AkudamaEXE]

Live by the gun die by the gun

[@chaoticzion6378]

they better fing fix blm

[@user-pi6hp9yh1h]

Hell yes

[@gintokisakata8596]

PLD (my main) always at the bottom. What's new?

[@TheGreektrojan]

I mean PLDs have extra 'utility' so I guess its fair *buffs WAR and gives them another heal for zero reason*

[@Skjoldolfr]

theres nothing wrong with paladin, will it be top of tank fflogs for damage? No. Is it completely viable in all content and absolutely fine otherwise considering the raid utility? Yes. We have to stop judging jobs based on damage when the lowest denominator is confirmed more than enough

[@dragoncrashhero12]

Gotta take advantage of its utility more, Clemency, Wings, buffed Intervention, and *sigh* even cover can make up for the lack of damage when used efficiently

[@soldierorsomething]

Let them remove that fancy shield of yours and see what happens, less survivability but higher dmg, its time to choose

[@Kurainuz]

@@Skjoldolfr Meanwhile drk not having utility, worse "invul", worse self healing, no option to heal others, and only slightly better than pld, again 😢

[@envesful]

Picto is Blackmage on Tren

[@Ukkosade]

Black mage need to get back ice paradox man :/

[@devxved]

Cant tell you how many Blizzard 3s into fire 1s ive done forgetting ice paradox is gone.

[@user-pi6hp9yh1h]

Ruining my job man

[@JaydenzOmega]

On top of that, DRK also has MP issues now and it feels so bad in terms of gameplay. I really hope they give some more self sustain and fix the MP issue.

[@FabledEnigma]

I'm probably entirely wrong about this but I always understood that the 'vision' for balance was always a pure damage vs damage with utility (like a samurai, that has no utility or party buffs, should do more damage then like, another dps job that has raid buffs and such). Always felt like tanks had something similar, where Gnb and Drk were the "Do more damage" tanks, while paladin and warrior were the, more 'defensive' tanks with self heals and such. Always felt like gnb and drk should be the highest of the 4 in terms of dps

[@michielmanders9766]

You're mostly right, however as Xeno mentions in this video DPS is by far the most important thing in this game. Fights aren't so difficult that the extra defensive utility is worth the tradeoff. And in actually difficult fights, if you mess up you're most likely dead instantly and no def ulility will do anything to save you.

[@FabledEnigma]

@@michielmanders9766 yeah thats fair, I've been maining gnb and pld for awhile and im used to pld being lowest on dps, always kinda attested it to the fact they have a lot of self healing and a some solid group mits, obviously it dosnt matter as much in raid content but I know doing dungeons feels do different between those two. Paladin and warrior barely needing to be healed always feels so different compared to running dungeons as a gnb

[@Ranziel1]

GNB has self healing. But yes, that's the idea, however it's not how the game actually works, so it shouldn't be a consideration for balance.

[@GoatOfWar]

@@michielmanders9766 Then why is Warrior allowed to do more dps than Dark knight while also having a superior version of every cooldown it has? War is beyond fucking stupid and it's time people stopped defending it. Ask for nerfs or i don't want to hear any of your yapping.

[@michielmanders9766]

@@GoatOfWar FFXIV is famous for never nerfing jobs, instead buffing others instead. I don't play either of those jobs so I'll take your word for it, I'm not saying SE is perfect, far from it. No need to be so rude, this isn't politics its a fucking videogame.

[@steezemilkshake]

viper plays incredibly well i am in love with this class. my favorite dps class my new main, and i hated dps i mained tank an healer through the whole game except i also loved the caster summoner

[@Egolithz]

As a MCH main, all I know from the MCH community is that we are begging to have just Wildfire have the CHANCE to crit and/or direct hit (not a guaranteed, but just a chance to). That's all we want and we'd be good.

[@michielmanders9766]

I think it should either crit 100% like SAM skills, or not at all. Otherwise the job becomes extremely rng dependant, no?

[@ValkeersYT]

Feeling you bro. I'm supposed to be the phys range in my static. As it stands i dont really see why you would take a phys range with you at all.... if id go picto instead, going 2 melee, 2 caster i could be much more beneficial to the group. Even if you take into account missing group buff, LB generation and stuff... picto has tons of utility too.

[@Egolithz]

@@michielmanders9766 no, the damage would then be waaaaay too high that they would have to nerf something else. It's better to have it rng without nerfing and then our stat prio would be crit > DH > Det, instead of Crit > Det > DH right now (cause everything scales off det, but if WF was able to DH we'd swap)

[@Egolithz]

@@ValkeersYT I'd personally disagree just cause phys range has stuff to offer, even MCH. Dismantle and Tactician are extremely solid mits and you get the full 5% party bonus. We'll likely see a potential double caster meta imo with 1 melee potentially, or the standard. But phys range is important (any of the 3)

[@michielmanders9766]

@@Egolithz Obvieously they could lower the potency to compensate. An intern could do that in 20 minutes. Also, skills that guaranteed crit still benefit from crit rate, it just gets converted into extra damage.

[@ruick78]

Picto i think for materia might benfit for crit materia with its hammer

[@ReveredDead]

As someone who recently fell in love with RPR and VPR. I am happy.

[@90Rush]

We should put rez caster and non-rez caster into different category now.

[@joshkary5040]

Why? Res is relevant almost never except in extremes and SOME savage, rdm and smn should not be weaker because of that

[@AlvaroAmor]

Especially when they're already losing damage if they need to res somebody.

[@Lemon_Force]

@@joshkary5040 its extremely relevant in prog. you wouldnt replace the caster rez slot with a higher dps caster unless u hit a dps check that was super tight

[@joshkary5040]

@@Lemon_Force in most content where it matters, a death is a wipe. P12s for instance, if you die basically during any mech there’s no time to res, you just instantly wipe

[@jin6186]

@@joshkary5040 That's assuming the next tier will have body checks, if it doesn't then res is definitely pretty strong.

[@Malacite]

I have mixed feelings about DRG. It does a lot of damage and I am glad to see Dragonsight gone, as well as being able to just activate LotD at will. HOWEVER, Jump and Mirage Dive are basically pointless extra buttons now, and instead of making the job less frantic it's actually more hectic than ever during Burst Windows because there are simply too oGCDs you have to weave in now it's actually insane. I got a damned blister from my controller trying to get a feel for the rotation, as you're practically triple weaving now. It's not as big of a priority as some of the other stuff perhaps, but they should look into it because right now it feels like I'm trying to play professional StarCraft 2 as a DRG in terms of APM.

[@UltimegaSeven]

THANK YOU. Mirage dive does like...nothing man. its just there.

[@samuraiflash95]

DRG has the exact same number of OGCDs in their burst. They lost 2 charges of spineshatter (-2) and gained Starcross and Rise of the Dragon (+2) for a total net neutral on OGCDs

[@kumoko3728]

Sounds like a SKILL ISSUE to me

[@joshkary5040]

Yeah this is a hard skill issue - DRG barely changed in overall apm

[@Yokai_Yuri]

​@@joshkary5040Not skill issue if many times the ping does not let you weave properly. While the class maintains it's core gameplay, it heavily relies on burst now. Even so I consider DRG a balanced class, unlike baby mode reaper or Picto

[@Yokai_Yuri]

DRG is sick. Needs nore buffs

[@FrostiniusV]

I'll be collecting my bronze medal now

[@reikiv3]

I don't get the "viper is too busy, or complicated" thing. The combos are so easy it's like I'm actually good at the game. 😂

[@kharnael]

2.5 it is then Thank you my liege

[@eyelesscrow69]

as someone that plays WHM take, glare 4 off of presence of mind and make it ogcd.

[@MrJammers]

Ye Im so confused about that, like ye I can weave more now but like no, it feels weird to just stand there. Or make lillies ogcd. Glare 4 should also give stacks of blood lilly/ or a new dps button that cosumes stacks for dmg when you don't need the heals.

[@eyelesscrow69]

​@@MrJammers After i made this comment i went and complained with friends about this and realized that just how much worse glare 4 actually is seeing how its not just 3 stacks you get out of presence but the stacks are on a 30 sec cd, on top of the 15 sec that you have to use presence of mind and they are counting down simultaneously which makes it just not fun to use. I'm fairly sure that WHM got the worse end of the stick when it came to changes this xpac where as you said they should have done something with the lily stuff but they just said, here's dps button that sucks, an extra tetra, 25 POT increase to medica 2 and a 400 hp shield with a regen at the end of it on a 2 min CD have fun. the class is built for Trails and Raids where outside of that content you just cycle the abilities cause you can not because you need to.

[@KyvannShrike]

I really do wonder what the fuck Square Enix does to gauge numbers, because I feel like in a game as homogenized as this it shouldn't be hard to make numbers within like 1% of each other.

[@rickmel09]

i'm tempted to say they don't, but apparently this expansion just has a few outliners that should be easy to fix

[@COA5T]

Is it Squeenix's generally balancing philosophy to make every job in each class do the exact same damage, or is their overall toolkit weighted? Genuine question. Obviously I recognize this cannot possibly 100% be the case because of classes like Dancer, foregoing personal DPS for buffing a party member. If they really wanted everything to personally be within 1% then Dancer would also have the same damage as everything else so that can't be the case.

[@bassisku]

Fights with heavy or no downtime and job differences between those makes a huge difference though. If every job had the same burst then yes, but you also need to balance for fights with more or less downtime. Picto is just busted though.

[@stabegabe]

@@COA5T Raid buffs are weighted and tracked via the rdps chart. that chart takes into account the damage buffs you apply to other ppl by adding that extra damage they are dealing as a result of your buffs to your rdps. So perfect "balance" would be every class having extremely close rdps margins. Square does consider overall toolkits by balancing around raid buffs and a few other things like raise, or justifying higher melee dps due to having to having to maintain uptime. Its agreed upon that classes like rdm or smn should be doing less rdps than blm for example, because they bring an extra raise to the group. If the jobs were less homogenized, the same logic could apply perfectly fine to other utilities and abilities, and maybe the dps chart in this video wouldn't seem as ridiculous

[@COA5T]

@@stabegabe Just to be clear, because I genuinely don't understand, are you saying that where DNC is shows it's total contribution to the raid, including the buffs it gives to partner?

[@tehzerp]

Its weird because I've never felt stronger as a paladin as right now and still bottom of tanks lol.

[@cattysplat]

Confitti combo nerfs were dumb so get ready for them to be buffed.

[@blitz3391]

Warrior doesn't need a buff. It's the only tank that doesn't need a heal like, almost ever. Even Paladin , the job designed as the ultimate defense, can't hold as long as a Warrior can.

[@martonszentkiralyi2251]

For paladin I'd give another 10-50 potency for every single skill cause the trait they get at 94 is just sad. Truly understanding how little that trait strenghtens you is that star wars meme. They just added 90 potency to the 1-2-3 combo, and 20 for almost every other skill. I thought where its applicable the requiescat/divine might buff will mean 40, no, its 20, which translates to roughly 600~700 damage or 240-280 extra dps on average

[@auroraboracat26]

Bootdk bringing back those stormblood memories except it was DkBoot 😂

[@StarkBeaumont]

just confirms to me that Disesteem should be either made oGCD or receive a huge potency buff (and/or recover MP). I didn't expect PLD to be "so bad" though

[@carlobertolini7833]

it's fine as a GCD, it needs more potency, currently 800 and should be at least 1k. also shadowbringer and CaS should recive a potency buff ( GNB got like.. 8k potency in few secs )

[@kargion]

Picto is just a tad over tuned. I been playing Warrior and it feels so good.

[@MamisNovaClass]

Im not understanding a thing this mans said n those numbers mean nothing to me, i feel so glad

[@gasparguruoftime5475]

Aren’t you supposed to look at aDPS for Tanks?

[@darrellbruh1335]

No.

[@joshkary5040]

@@darrellbruh1335why are you saying no, adps IS the norm for looking at tanks

[@gasparguruoftime5475]

@@darrellbruh1335 Why not? Tanks don’t provide any raid buff DPS which is what rDPS tracks. aDPS is damage done including damage you put *into* raid buffs which is what Tanks do.

[@DanBurtonCodes]

adps is reliant on party comp. rdps attempts to measure your DPS contribution regardless of party comp. No single measurement is gonna be perfect; it's best to look at them both.

[@gasparguruoftime5475]

@@DanBurtonCodes That makes sense. Also, now that every Tank light bursts at 1 minute and hard bursts at 2 minutes I suppose rDPS is a bit more reliable right? In EW, old PLD looked like it did good DPS but that was just rDPS and its burst kinda sucked so aDPS was bad even in good comps. But now that they all burst I suppose it makes sense that rDPS works better for comparing all of them.

[@crimsonshenanigan1854]

Picto isnt overtuned the other classes like blm just need a buff and warrior needs a nerf

[@Palhum]

ninjabros...

[@tufcat92]

I hope viper gets changed tbh. It's just Samurai but the rotation literally carries you like you're on a honeymoon after getting married

[@devxved]

They need to revert all the black mage nerfs and give us ice paradox back. It is so awkward in the opener now too, thunder procs oit the ass but they do so little damage, flare star or whatever the 100 skills named does laughable potencies im tempted to skip it if no swift cast.

[@shanemoody529]

If you look at the higher end of parses picto is on top. It gets worse on fights with any amount of forced downtime as well.

[@jerryren748]

warrior needing BUfF?? being THE easiest job in the entire game and is doing just a littel less damage than GBK the most difficualt and busy tank? seriusly?😅😅😅😅

[@jin6186]

Every tank is very easy to play, it's not like gnb is much more difficult than warrior. But i get what you're saying, warrior should definitely not get any buffs.

[@Oizys0miseria]

YoshiP did say BLM is getting a buff, but probably later than sooner. BLM is in a weird spot, im at 98 right now, and i find most complaints besides damage to be really silly. You have way more flexibility in Fire now, that the need for it in Non-Standard doesnt exist, which was the main benefit and goal. I imagine Flare Star is VERY punishing though, and i think Thunder should do more damage to targets with the DoT already on.

[@Talcor]

Drk back to being bottom half of tank dps rip

[@kcmccray5686]

TBN still no changes and now DPS is ass .They love to see DRK suffer.Pali dps is still bad now both tanks I play is near the bottom.

[@aTypicalMushroom]

@@kcmccray5686pld atleast has utility Drk is still mid but the heal changes (the new veil and rampart) makes it a lil less mid? In my eyes

[@soldierorsomething]

@@kcmccray5686 TBN, the only shield that wont break from a tank buster when you stack defensive buffs with max tenacity, gotta love seeing that 0 dmg taken

[@Bingogogo721]

give me increased parry rate on dark mind :)

[@GoatOfWar]

@@kcmccray5686 Streamer endorsed Warrior favouritism. It won't change as long as they give War players preferential treatment.

[@Captnspork]

lvling dungeons still feel like hot garbage on Drk. Pvp on the other hand 👌

[@zackt3288]

This game doesn't do balancing very good. Paladin is cool being lowest dps but needs to be tankier than Warrior in exchange as Paladin is the most defensive tank in combat. Black Mage needs to be the biggest damage dealer because it has no team utility at all and is very difficult to sustain rotation in difficult flights.

[@Sir_Emo]

Is the bard trash?

[@xCaLLMeGHeTTo]

Excellent analysis, my liege.

[@GoatOfWar]

''Gunbreaker is overtuned'' Just because it's slightly above your favourite job? Legit, is anything allowed to be better at anything than Warrior or? It doesn't need to be the best at anything. It's already got the best sustain, invuln, partywide and mobility. It should be at the botom if anything.

[@carlobertolini7833]

Slightly? look it compared to PLD... 🤦‍♂

[@GoatOfWar]

@@carlobertolini7833 Pld and Drk not being higher dps than War is wild.

[@1Meepman]

SCH doesn't need a potency buff; Chain Strat and spreadlo alone make them meta. WHM deserves the potency buff and I say this as a SCH main. The only thing SCH needs is similar to DRK which is an actual identity.

[@cyphi474]

Its still early to say, but gap between melee and ranged dps is something to think about. Picto is exception, well because its new job and has to be overpowered so babies feel good about new toy. There is alot of movement needed at boss fights, but that shouldnt affect physical ranged as much as magical, even if SMN or RDM shouldnt be affected that much either.

[@alexanderwilliams799]

Want picto to stay where it is. It feels sooo good. BLM needs a huge buff for me to play it again. Feels slow, weak, and stiff...stiffer than normal.

[@alexejmensch7499]

Dragon get nice rework like it.

[@beecees410]

you didnt see their post about upcoming changes yet? Mr.Happy did a video on it already. basically everything is getting a buff apart from picto.

[@ValkeersYT]

Have you read them? I see nothing about phys range. The rdm thing isnt a buff, but a small QOL thing, to bring manafication more in line with how it works compared to mch's new barrel stabilizer (i play both jobs) It helps timing out manafication usage, but it probably wont be a dmg increase at all. As it stands atm i should really ponder if i relinquish phys range slot (i'd be the mch in my static) and just switch to picto instead, so that we run a 2 melee 2 caster comb... missing full group bonus and LB gain cant really make up for the difference in DPS and Utility a Picto could bring.

[@beecees410]

@@ValkeersYT read how i said "basically everything".

[@xeno181]

looks like im watching a video from last exp this shit is never done right

[@LunarSky07]

I should have known Summoner would be towards the bottom. I'm rather surprised WHM is too. Glad I'm leveling PCT to be my main DPS as SMN isn't particularly fun but I love the idea of it so I'll keep hope alive for 8.0.

[@Vinex3431]

1:05 what every black mage main needs to hear 😂

[@user-pi6hp9yh1h]

Pleb

[@Sinkseven]

Influence abuse here so yoshi gonna conced

[@animeking26]

I know the pros say 2.5 but my brain is small guys what is the number in game my skill speed on my GB is 778 atm without melds so whats the actual number i have to get it to? Any explanation would help

[@airraid1266]

Look at your Recast time, 2.5 means the base GCD of 2.5s

[@michielmanders9766]

Is 2.5 not the default speed? SP is only useful up to a specific breakpoint, it's useless before or after you've reached it. What that numbers is currently I haven't a clue, maybe that information is already out there but the YT comment section isn't where you're gonna find it.

[@rkoking226]

Why does Machinist need a slight buff? I'm not very good at reading data like this and it seems like it's on par with Bard and better then Dancer no?

[@RazAnime]

Bard and Dancer buff DPS of your best players which is a significant boon that MCH doesnt have MCH is one of the only purely selfish jobs that cannot benefit any other players in the party in any way. For a long time their dps was gimped despite this, because they are "easier to play than most jobs due to being able to move so much while DPSing" but that is something that became less and less true every single expansion with most other caster jobs getting more and more opportunities to increase their mobility and reduce their downtimes, while boss hitboxes kept increasing, making 100% uptime for melee easier every single expansion (although Dawntrail has finally corrected backwards in that regard) You are left with a job that overall is on a similar difficulty level than other jobs above it on dps, cannot give any benefits to any other partymembers (that is unique to MCH; the other ranged dps also have the party mit cd) and despite all this still does no fking damage and never gets buffed funnily enough multiple times in the past, Yoshi-P has called out that MCH needed buffs, and then MCH would get buffed by like 1% and not even rise in the dps rankings At this point I dont think they will ever make MCH a good job because they have no idea how much damage the job should even be allowed to do

[@rickmel09]

@@RazAnime isn't that accounted for with ADPS?

[@RazAnime]

@@rickmel09 even on adps MCH is 5th from the bottom

[@rickmel09]

@@RazAnime i meant to say RDPS, sorry but doing a quick check at the logs for valigarmanda, MCH and BRD have pratically the same ceiling in RDPS, and DNC is far down and in ADPS, it's beating all the other ranged (phys and magical) except picto (and kinda tied with BLM, which says a lot about society)

[@soulxcvzc1561]

eh, speaking as a PLD main, buffing PLD would make it too good since it has party-wide defensive utilities.

[@GoatOfWar]

Lmao War is better than Pld in every single way and it's allowed to be second in dps.

[@soulxcvzc1561]

@@GoatOfWar I'll respect your opinion, buddy ;)

[@devxved]

​@@soulxcvzc1561raid wide defenses dont actually matter damage does, and ease of use imo should matter, but it doesnt. Defenses dont matter in the long run becauseanything that can kill you in the harder content, will kill you and no defensives will prevent it, but big damage will. Im rooting for your paladin buff, its time they let paladin shine.

[@christophergibson4834]

Stopped tye video when i started hearing chewing.

[@hasseo195]

Its only 1 weak out, and they have charts?

[@TheIceLurker]

How in the FUCK is balance this bad when every job plays the damn same. There could literally be a single healer if they really wanted to do that.

[@SNOZ562]

Why should picto get nerfed? It literally requires significantly more planning and adaptation on a per-fight basis than any other ranged dps by a significant margin. Just in EX 1 alone in order to pull of your full opener you are required to handle the ice swipe mechanic of the boss entirely different from every other class in the game. In any fight, just to be able to move and cast you have to pre plan usages of spells and optimally pull of your rotation in order to have enough instant cast spells charged up to handle any sort of mechanic that requires movement. Half of your kit requires you to stand around and do long cast times that have no payout until later casts down the line, and you have to constantly be conscious of appropriate times to do this. I don't understand why a class like that shouldnt be rewarded with having decent damage.

[@aeRaijin]

Well imo, you're half correct and half wrong. Picto is fairly versatile when it's not during opener and burst phases so managing ressources isn't really going to be hard once people will get the job properly. At first it sounds a bit troublesome, but I'm sure that if someone really wants to main it then it won't take him ages to be good at it. The "only" thing to do is to manage properly the paintings and not overcap on gauge. I'll also say that it has a shit ton of mobility to help balance it's long cast times (holy/comet, hammer, slide + move speed buff). Of course hammer will be used on CD but if it happens during movement it's even better then. On the other hand, I totally agree that if you need to do early movement in a fight you'll have to adapt but it's not like it's something that will happen in 99% of the content. I feel like picto is almost in the good spot to me. My only problem with it atm is how high the potency is. And to fix this, it goes either through buffs for other jobs or just tunning down some potencies for the picto. Especially when blm requires at least the same amount of planning as you say.

[@koshi-dono]

As blm main I find picto brainless job. 3s cast is not a long cast, you have shit ton of instacasts, and if you want, you can swiftcast your motiff and just run. There is no downside. The only thing you should plan fr - is your buff, it should be prepared before CD goes off.

[@demon774]

Is it too simple minded that i think that balance is kinda organic to the nature of the classes? Gunbreaker weaves a lot of abilities and is pretty aggressive thene in its fantasy. Warranting the highest DPS, almost like the ninja/monk logic. Paladin lowest since it should have the strongest mitigation, shield fantasy and all. Warrior should be close second, also.aggressive fantasy but slower and a tad easier to play. Not to mention its survivability. Fair 2nd. Dark Knight just kind of fits being third, balanced. Understand it might be a bit simplistic but in the raid content you have two tanks regardless diminishing the differences a bit. Anyway, just a scout!

[@GoatOfWar]

Dark kight being third makes it worthless tbh. War should be botom. Best invuln, best sustain, best party wide.. SOMETHING has to give. It is an absolute clownshow. Being better is not a job identity, stop defending this garbage. Idc if you prefer it that way, it's overpowered relative to the others and needs to change.

[@ruthnovena40]

There are no 'weak; jobs. Each and every job has it;s own set of limits which ever one a person plays comes down to play style.

[@hyperionmetalcore]

Good insight as always but if I could actually watch the video without you fucking chewing into the $400 asmr mic maybe it could have been more enjoyable.

[@2sanGremory]

Amazing m'lord

[@jtdeuce]

Excellent asmr milord

[@MrHollowfied]

I’m just here to be here cause I don’t know what the hell he said pretty much this whole video. When talking about classes and gCD oCD I be lost in the sauce

[@Pay_Me_No_Mind]

I farted right at 3:42 and got scared fro a second.

[@leishuken]

this really sad to see, like i know you dont care but seeing that dps statics and saying tis fine, but oh well warrior is good i guess

[@jerryren748]

why the f dose warrior even deserve to have damage even close to GBK with the deficulty difference? 😅😅 WAR's top out laier in damage should only be on the same level as the bottom out laier of GBK

[@trignite]

Mute the damn stream alerts if you want to post on YT.

[@kumoko3728]

cry more

[@Vandiekins]

this guy buys his clears cuz he knows nothing about balance and how to play

[@kidhavii]

How is it that balance changes in the beginning of each expansion is so scuffed? They spend an entire expac balancing them out and then the moment a new expansion drops everyone's damage is all over the place. What are they changing on the back end?

[@CanisMythson]

Well, first off, they're adding new abilities, changing old ones, etc; and that tends to alter the results some. But the primary reason is just, stats on equipment gets higher, and that affects different classes in different ways.

[@joshkary5040]

Not to mention they don’t expect you to do things sometimes, for instance I almost guarantee they didn’t anticipate people going into 2 minutes with a comet on picto, because your 2 minutes gives you a comet for free

[@SlyScyther]

Can't even click on a 5 min vid of Xenos' without him chewing in my ear. I'll get the info somewhere else I guess