Xeno Reacts to FFXIV Job Changes in the Next Patch | Dawntrail Patch 7.01 and 7.05

Xeno reacts to the job changes announced by Yoshi-P that are coming to Final Fantasy 14 Dawntrail in patch 7.01 and patch 7.05. All of these changes look great!
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[@amethonys2798]

The dashes on tanks also need a reduction on the end lag after using them. Your character dashes in and has to wait like a full second before you can even hit an AoE ability despite having the GCD available. It's like you dash in and your brain just blue screens for a second before they go oh yeah I should swing in a circle.

[@ianjohnson3274]

This is actually just a ping issue. With low enough ping you can dash in and aoe without a huge amount of delay. You can test this using noclippy to simulate low ping (or just take my word for it)

[@zordiark9673]

@@ianjohnson3274 The only Issue i realized is that Fated brand on the Gnb seems like it hits when the Animation is ending and not on the initial spot, which makes its awkward to use in Wtw Pulls while sprinting. Could just be my imagination though.

[@pepegapogu1790]

Please use recovery instead of end lag, it trigger me

[@denixboi8004]

No DRK adjustments is crazy they really do love the idea of dark nights beeing severe edgelords huh, cuz im gonna kill myself if they keep this shit up

[@worse9347]

Drk was my first tank job and now its my least leveled one (semi perm sitting at 81) and that was before DT. Now I want to play it even less. Thank square, let me go back to being the only needed healer in a party as war and continue having fun

[@johnstajduhar9617]

Dark Knights been on 24hr watch since SB

[@lordkresnik2873]

I miss plunge already but at least its still alive in pvp

[@whodis3489]

@@lordkresnik2873 They gonna take that away too I bet lmao, and they're gonna gut salted earth too I bet, we're about to be homeless fr

[@pawbgles]

DRK Brothers.... we have suffered for so long...

[@RoniDraws]

i still do positionals on MNK abilities that dont have them anymore lol

[@bugman7starsifu]

Lol same

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

Lol thats kind of adorable

[@QuestionQuestionMark]

Yeah, they became part of the identity of the class.

[@rivenansgar2415]

As a MNK from ARR... I feel this so much and still doing such semi regularly. Please dont take anymore away from us CBU3. I dont wanna be a braindead just stand there class.

[@graenko792]

As someone who created their character as a pugilist back in a realm reborn...same

[@KyvannShrike]

The black mage thing makes me cringe so much, there's no way they didn't test low level anything when making these reworks.

[@Virulence-xb2rv]

Hot take: as a new player and a level 30 black mage and got to experience pre and post dawntrail, it honestly feels easier and better. Usually I try to optimize my dps throwing in some thunder, mostly the standard rotation, and honestly it makes the standard rotation easier. I don't need to wait for my mana to automatically regen, I don't have to suffer dps loss because of mistakes. But what I hear from higher levels, it forces you to use standard rotation more. Yeah from my experience, it's more beginner friendly and for people with bad hardware/connections and more room to recover without suffering a dps loss at lower levels, but it also removes uniqueness and versatility at higher levels

[@Tobeh]

Bosses spin and turn around enough these days that positional are just kinda nice when you can plan to land them. Thinking about how all the bosses will reappear in the middle of the arena facing the wrong way, finish a 1.5s cast and then turn to face the tank before turning to face another DPS or healer to attack, then turn and throw an aoe at another dps. Positionals made sense when the bosses were far less active than they are now.

[@amethonys2798]

This. Positionals blow when your boss is constantly spinning around. Oh here's a double tank buster where the boss has to turn multiple times on the vokes. Oh here is a multi hit line AoE where the boss is facing you for 20 years so you can't even TN for all of it. Oh time to run around the arena constantly so you can't even consistently be behind or to the side (P12S P1 good luck consistently hitting rear during SC or Para3).

[@Bigalinbklyn83]

True north!!!

[@Elyakel]

@@amethonys2798 most of the time you can read the boss But some boss like barbarecia ex are fucking annoying when you want to hit your positionals x')

[@MrPrincePapa]

Part of why I fell in love with Reaper is that I have absolute control over when I do positionals. In fact the only times I don't is if I play poorly and don't manage my gauge properly, outside of that it's all on me to decide when the right time is to use a positional or if I want to pool them for a True North angle. Viper ... can do that to some extent but rather than a decision I'm opting into it's more like a wave of relief to know I have a stack of TN for Dreadwinter instead of praying the boss stands still. I want to say skill issue (which it is) but man ... One thing you start to notice the moment you have positionals (even as Reaper) is how much "unnecessary" movement bosses have like why do bosses have to recenter so much, and even with a good tank stuff is constantly shifting around. Given enough experience with a boss you start being able take everything into account but I dunno. I feel like there are more interesting approaches to difficulty than "Boss suddenly rotated 90 degrees, enjoy the potency nerf".

[@coreytravisbean]

Truth, and if you are a viper you dont really get many instances where you can press true north because most of our ogcs are already taken by dps abilities. Most of vipers rotation is one gcd two ogcds. Sometimes we have opportunities to press it but it feels like those opportunities never line up with when you need it. I only think viper really needs the double weave on uncoiled fang removed. It's just clunky anyway and often times the button presses dont even register.

[@rhno091]

The GNB dash is hella awkward. And the cool down you can't use your AOE when you land anyways

[@isaacinholy]

facts, hate the change. makes dungeon wall to wall pulling very weird. Also its less buttons in raids, but i specifically play gnb for more button pressing madge

[@aTypicalMushroom]

Drk is the same way

[@gloominaati3105]

@@GoatOfWar lol stop it, it should be the ranged tank that doesnt have potency on gap closer

[@jdragoon099]

I prefer it without damage. It's nice to not have to think about it as part of your dps rotation. I hope they eventually remove the dmg from the pld and war too.

[@rhno091]

@@jdragoon099 I don't think I've ever thought of what was Rough Divide as part of DPS rotation, maybe something to randomly add in, but it didn't have a high potency, at least I don't think it did

[@kabutoex2]

Yes you summed up the gap closer perfectly having to wait after it is sadness

[@RedGalbot]

We lost Plunge because tryhards whined about the burst being too busy. No normal player wanted this stupid change.

[@jin6186]

@@RedGalbot I think it was the casuals and midcores who complained about it, tryhards enjoy a challenge…

[@Akamehameha]

@@RedGalbot I mean plunge was good, should've just removed the dmg from it and it would've been solved not whatever the hell that new dash is lmao

[@HowlingDoom]

@@Akamehameha Yeah they could have literally just removed the damage and just left plunge in the game. I have no idea why they replaced the animation.

[@Eric-ih5mb]

​@@jin6186Plunge wasnt a challenge lmao. I dont think tryhards cared one way or the other about losing the two weaves.

[@damienman25]

I like positionals when they matter, but they haven't really mattered for a hot minute. Back then it felt rewarding when you hit positionals, especially when DRG had skills that changed only when you hit positionals but even then, it felt less like a minor loss in damage and more like a "You fucked it all up you scrub" when you missed a positional. Now, the only reason I even remember positionals on Monk is cuz I've played it so long it feels weird not hitting them. Otherwise I feel punished when i fight a fate boss solo simply for having the audacity to fight it solo and not having any tank friends around

[@xenosflame3458]

I don’t think people are complaining because positionals might be removed, I think it’s more people are complaining that they might be taking away the overall busyness and fastness of the job as a whole.

[@davekaye5483]

Positionals are important part of the rhythm and flow of melee jobs.

[@captainziggy82]

Yea idk where his take on positional comes from lol and constantly referring to ARR is hella weird cuz everything was broken back then…

[@cutejustice]

I used to hate positionals but after playing viper and having nothing else going for them (party buffs, mitigation tools, etc.) there’s virtually nothing else going on for them other than pressing shiny buttons. I would hate to have to stand on one spot and just follow the shiny buttons. At least right now, like Xenos said, if people want to ignore them and lose out on potency, they can.

[@corvoyami3192]

Positionals make melee dps feel less braindead but square Enix listens to tourists who don't even play melee all the time so

[@captainziggy82]

@@corvoyami3192 apparently it was the JP fanbase?? But yea they’re bugging, i wanna know where are they getting this feedback

[@MastaToken]

7:00 Bro, I don't know what's wrong with people in this expansion. Way too many times where Pictos will bomb the mobs then just not bring them to me and just sit there taking damage instead of bringing them to the tanks.

[@PlatinumzProductionZ]

Sounds like some bad pictos tbh. I've gotten used to pulling off of tanks with pictos' burst. So much so that I usually run right next to them, so when I do, the add just walks right up to us. I also use swift+rainbow to gain a white stack while running until the tank has made it w2w. I'm glad they're buffing tank aoe aggro, however.

[@woodenmetal2977]

7:06 The last time this happened to me was in a low-level dungeon, Haukke Manor, I think. I fat-fingered grit along with unmend, so I lost grit right after unmend shot out. Didn't realize I didn't have aggro, so a BRD pulled and sprinted away instead of towards me. By the time I noticed, he was so far away that I just couldn't catch up until he died. BRD blamed me for not holding aggro (fair enough) but also the healer for not healing him. The healer went off on this man. "I don't think you wanted to be healed because you were running from me, so I didn't bother chasing you." - or something like that.

[@cattysplat]

Most exciting thing that happened in Haukke Manor for 10000 years. Bard tried to play tank and failed.

[@tobiasisaac6996]

make provoke aoe 🗣️

[@thebigandlazyguy246]

We had that and it was called ultimatum. Removed in shadowbringers when they buffed provoke to actually generate aggro and not just put you at the top +1

[@Fimbulvetr]

Tank dashes should just fart out an enmity aoe the size of unleashed. Easy.

[@SeventyVelle]

Excellent reading, My Liege.

[@kidhavii]

Didn't positionals back in HW proc other abilities? I vaguely remember DRG having to hit F/C and Wheeling Thrust correctly in order to get their Geirskogul procs?

[@MichaelM2K23]

Yeah, and if you missed the positional, your combo was fucked lol

[@shinon748]

yes and if you missed a positional your combo was broken and you had to start over from the start again.

[@Voltekka15a2]

Combos literally didn't happen without positionals back then. You'd get a limp noodle hit with no follow-up and no effects (dots, etc.)

[@StingcatKnight]

@@MichaelM2K23LOL that sounds like fun

[@MichaelM2K23]

@@StingcatKnight Yeah, until you play with a tank that spins the boss like a merry-go-round 🫠🫠🫠

[@ThatOneNando]

Honestly, my only complaint on viper is that I have to constantly look down on my hotbar to see which ability goes next in the chain. I don't know why each ability has to have 2 different procs that do the exact same thing.

[@aphilli97]

All these changes yet cant give drk lifesteal so its not so shit😂

[@HowlingDoom]

SMH. You think DRK needs more than to use Abyssal Drain once every 60 seconds and that it should not share CD's with Carve and Spit? trash tank fr fr /j

[@Runeknight101]

imo just make salted earth heal you like it does in PVP and put a small shield in the 123 combo

[@jedahaw]

Give Carve and Spit healing potency too.

[@HowlingDoom]

@@whodis3489 Salted Earth does have Regen health and grants you a 20% as long as you're inside of it. I just doubled checked the PVP job actions, the cure potency is 2K

[@Navi_xoo]

What's crazy is Dark had better class fantasy, actual insane lifesteal on AoE, and better mitigation tools. Then they took it all away and gave it TBN the most annoying piece of shit tank skill out of them all.

[@BanríonBéar]

The fact the only thing they're doing for SAM is reducing the recast timer on Tendo tells me the designer for it doesn't even play the class. There's 0 addressing of the fact that you have to sit on Meikyo charges as the duration ticks down during the 2 minutes because you need to start the burst with Tendo and Tsubame or they'll end up outside of raid buffs. At 2.14 gcd you end up with 4 seconds left on the timer if you don't move during any Iai casts at all in the 2 minute burst (so there's no ability to delay casts to reposition if needed because you'll just lose all the meikyo charges and end up way behind in the rotation). Or the fact that 4 years of muscle memory for Tsubame went out the window because not only can't I use Tsubame to track where I am in the rotation anymore if needed because its usage is tied to Meikyo and it has no cd, but also the fact that I need to remember to press Meikyo when I already have 3 Sen, despite never having to do that prior, just to use Tendo in the first place. Either make Meikyo a 30 second buff so that it's not so easy to drop the buff during 2 min burst. Or just make Midare be Tendo all the time and cut the potency from 1020 to 860 so it's still the same potency every minute since you already do 2 Tendo and 2 Midare every minute, and give back the charges and cd to Tsubame. Unless their plan was for people to use Tendo outside of raid buffs, all the changes they made this xpac are nonsensical and annoying to play around if you played the class at all prior.

[@Keilink]

Even in skill's tooltips positionals are not indicated consistantly. Sometime it's directly in the difinition, sometime it's indicated as a bonus.

[@MinimalxEffort]

People complaining about Tank Emnity never played before Shadowbringers when Tanking and keeping emnity was somewhat challenging. Anyone who I've seen complain about it since DT came out is just mad because they can't use 1 AOE to establish their aggro and then keep running, literally you just AOE a second time and you're fine 99% of the time.

[@Talcor]

Seeing people call viper too weak or low dps is hilarious when even on an rdps chart its in the top when it has no party buffs at all and the only adps with a higher cap than it is samurai which has like 4 abilities that are 900+ potency lol

[@Skitch213]

Probably just a good chance that they're all too dumb to play it properly - despite the fact the job practically plays itself. It's really just "get your buffs up, spam everything that isn't your filler until you need your buffs refreshed and have no Dreadwinder phase to do it."

[@arkalonhd4219]

@@Skitch213 even easier, Once you have your personal buffs up, all you need to pay attention to is your noxious gash timer, and your filler/dreadwinder will automatically keep the other two up.

[@Skitch213]

@@arkalonhd4219 That's pretty much exactly what I said. Get the buffs up, spam the big stuff and never use your filler unless you don't have a charge of dreadwinder. That being said, you're very much right about dreadwinder keeping everything up. I usually open with Dread Fang > Swiftskin's Sting and then just spam dreadwinder phases and Awaken phases until there's no resources left and I'm forced to filler for a few GCDs.

[@AlexBearincess]

DRK main... what you said about ranged players not running to tanks when they get aggro IS THE REALEST SHIT I'VE HEARD TODAY 😂 srsly gives tanks "Rescue" so I can Scorpion their butts over here 😂

[@hkoizumi3134]

Pictomancer reminded me of why I picked and love BLM back in 2.0. They were not easy to play but was very rewarding for playing decently good. Now, BLM is just as unapproachable as ever with the only reward you get for playing decently is maybe you dish out similarly with other braindead DPS.

[@biocajun86]

Maybe I’m missing something with BLM because I don’t find it to be as hard as people make it out to be and I am not the sharpest tool in the shed if you know what I mean

[@crazycomp1]

@@biocajun86 im also not seeing it at all. Blackmage is one of the EASIEST jobs to play in the game imo. learning the rotation might be a bit harder than others imo but performing on blm is by far one of the easiest jobs in the game now with an insane amount of instantcasts it leaves the ONLY kind of optimizing left is leylines placements.

[@esRaortiz]

I I think what throws people off is the inability to be mobile in fights. I think the fights is what makes it hard to optimize so people equate it with being "hard". Depending on the fight you will have to know when to transpose, leylines, swiftcast, greed then use gap closer to party member. But that's not the class itself. That's design on the fights.

[@iknothatukno]

Pct is pretty dang easy.

[@Lenteshi]

Thing I find funny is how blm has a decently long rotation. Sure you don't have to follow it to the "T" but with pictomancer you just pop hammer time, press it 3 times and I sware to God you do more damage then any full DPS rotation in the game. I'm not complaining it feels really nice to see chonks of HP vanish but I feel like any other dps is lacking now.

[@FeralShadow]

Im the idiot that loves nailing positionals and hates when I miss them

[@garrettg7962]

It always surprises me on how easy the game is to understand yet so many people have bad takes on changes lol. Viper be going crazy right now hoping for a good drk buff 🙏

[@cattysplat]

People will do anything to use less braincells, including xeems.

[@alloounou6900]

This song and dance happens every expansion. Major changes come and a small amount of people get very vocal while the majority continues to enjoy the game.

[@ShadowWalker-ng1it]

Don't underestimate human stupidity last year I had a neighbour complain about feeling sick and out of breath after "getting some freash air" at the peak of the forest fires that coverted half of North america is smoke fog

[@garrettg7962]

​@@ShadowWalker-ng1itNo way lmao you're right though 🤦‍♂️

[@IEgOImkAwx]

@@ShadowWalker-ng1it Having anxiety is not 1:1 with stupidity. Jackass.

[@GentlemanGarrote]

Positional abilities solve a problem that no longer exists in the game. Positional abilities like backstab and blindside are skill checks for melee dps that tune up melee damage during content where another player holds threat. The reason this used to be important was so that melee with positional skills felt weaker on their own. This kind of design philosophy isn’t really relevant anymore, and there are better ways to show skill than force positions on players.

[@ZeroXIV]

New tank gap closers are shit, give us back the old ones with 0 potency. The new ones are too sluggish and clip GCDs super badly basically making them pointless.

[@syllawblood]

I thought it was just me

[@1337penguinman]

@@syllawblood They're trying to discourage their use for pulls and as part of the DPS rotation.

[@TheManofyes]

they are literally faster and/or the same you are incorrect bud

[@clyiri1652]

As a redmage, I usually am running right alongside the tank while they are gathering enemies.

[@davidkeller2100]

It only took 6 years of continuous feedback to get charges on Lightspeed. 2 Charges and a CD reduction to what I'm assuming is 60 seconds is going to be great.

[@Nitegrip90]

And yet they still don’t buff shit on whm…. Like give us something!!!! AST shits all over whm and they buff it! Like come on.

[@peppermint7152]

​@@Nitegrip90I don't know how it's doing in DT, but WHM was strong in SHB and EW. It's also been much more mobile than AST ever since EW.

[@Nitegrip90]

@@peppermint7152 that’s the problem, all we got is mobility, would love to have something more. I feel like whm hasn’t changed at all since we got Lilly’s. This expansion we basically got nothing except the lvl 100 skill. Everything else was just a buff.

[@Rinaldot67]

@@Nitegrip90 Personally I've been enjoying Glare 4 off of Presence of Mind at 92.

[@tbarben193]

I like positionals currently. Whether I had played with them in Heavensward or not is irrelevant. I do more damage when I hit them and it keeps the fight more interesting IMO. Is it devastating when I miss them? No, and I'm happy that it is not.

[@Elyakel]

it's just a little optimization who is really fun to think about when you fight something, without positional melee would be so boring he say that because he is a main tank, but as a main melee, without positionals it would be a snooze fest most of the time

[@ItsSVO]

@@Elyakelarthars says the same thing and he’s Mained melee a fair amount of time. Positionals used to matter in HW because they’d actually break your rotation combo . All you lose now is a little potency. People think positionals are difficult or interesting but they’re not, especially when most including yourself 100% use true north whenever you can. Taking away positionals means they can be much more creative with mechanics. Xeno is right, positional are an old system that hinders the current fight design.

[@alexandraalmagest]

​@@ItsSVOnot only that, they make some bosses to not have positionals. If it's good enough to not matter if you miss positionals anyway, why include it still.

[@c---.]

@@alexandraalmagest The only reason some bosses dont have positionals is if they're wall bosses. Its not cause "its good enough to not matter",its a fight design thing. When the boss is facing towards you 100% of the time you cant hit positionals,they couldve made it so it was a standard boss and you lost all your positionals,or make it the way they did.

[@c---.]

@@ItsSVO This topic does confuse me as a melee player,can you explain to me how exactly positionals limit creativity in mechanics? Cause I dont think they really plan mechanics specifically in a way to let melees hit positionals if thats what you mean?

[@EdgeGilid]

Landing positionals is trivial anyways, yea sure less potency but thats it. Its not like its not gonna proc another skill or you wont get a buff if you didn't land it.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Seriously, why did SE remove GNB and DRK's Gap Closers again?

[@livingforwhat2172]

because pressing 1x or 2x jumps in ur opener is too hard /s

[@1337penguinman]

With VPR you do have to make sure you have a long enough duration on your Death's Design (or whatever it's called, I forget at the moment) before you go into reawaken, but that's about it.

[@ridzz3458]

havent watched the video yet but im assuming drk is still gonna be dogshit

[@CTN404]

It’s funny I was playing GNB today using that dash for the first time and it’s like…I have to wait to attack afterwards. Tbh I don’t wanna use it

[@supremekai9602]

Give drk better 1,2,3 and bloodspiller animations for the love of god. The new delirium combo is a step in the right direction

[@ARCWolf7]

at least on drk, when i gap close on mobs, I just blast the mobs with a flood then follow up with my aoe

[@TheSublimeIbanez]

Yes, I played back in ARR when Heavy Thrust wouldn't give you the buff if you didn't hit from the side... Impulse drive, if not hit from the rear, would not start the combo... positionals that punish like that are a bad thing. Positionals that give boosted damage are actually really good for the game's health as it's something small that less-skilled members of the community can ignore completely and their gameplay will (for the most part) not be affected while also providing a tool for those who wish to push themselves a bit more can have something to work on. I think your desire to just have melee play the way you want is exactly what gets us into ShB and EW era fight/class design

[@ulibarriL]

VPR and DNC are really close in how their skills flow with the difference being that DNC uses a proc based system, while VPR is an alternation system. My crossbars are even set up very similarly when it comes to their single target and AoE mapping. So if you think DNC is an easy job, VPR is right there alongside it. The cries of it being nerfed is an overreaction as usual, but it is surprising that the announcement was made so quickly. I figured it wouldn't be until well after the Arcadion was released before they did anything.

[@omenlynx]

I almost made that mistake with unlocking and learning viper; I looked to hard. You really just need to hit shit when it lights up. Flanks means side directional, and hinds means rear TBH

[@bloodynight9370]

All of you conplaining about positional a just Lassy main caster or tank :o

[@lloydhallam]

I legitimately swapped from GNB to PLD when doing dungeons in roulettes specifically because of the awkwardness of the gap closer on the trash packs.

[@Sol_00007]

I took PLD through MSQ, and one of the first things I noticed at level 97 is that DPS burst damage made it difficult to hold aggro in chain pulls. I've had to abuse shield lob and provoke a lot more than I used to in order to keep aggro on trash. WAR had a similar issue before DT where their AOE kit didn't have any enmity generation beyond what tank stance would give; it's just more apparent with how much burst damage the DPS can pull off now.

[@cattysplat]

This is the consequence of every expansion now just adding big damage cooldown instead of changing rotation or adding a combo ability. Big drooler DPS hit big damage button the second the pull starts, multiplied 2-3 times for every expansion since shadowbringers that this started and you got problems.

[@TheQaaz]

Same here. I don't mind playing a tank that does less damage overall since I like the utility of PLD, but it would be nice to have some buffs to certain actions or an increased enmity generation on PLD's abilities.

[@muovikallo]

Okay, take away the positionals from Viper but decrease the twinblade gcd.

[@Bladehound83]

Most twinblade gcds are fine since you have a double weave during that down time, but that 3 seconds of nothing after Dreadwinder just feels *wrong.*

[@SILVERONIN]

@@Bladehound83 Dreadwinder ruins my flow

[@brandonnalley6588]

I played in heavenward get rid of the positionals. I get tired of having to remember x job does this here. Lol

[@kyrxon277]

"viper dps is set low" maaaaaan viper is like 2nd best dps in the game, its basically tradition in every game that when a new class or character is released its OP

[@chon4k]

Not to mention the fact that Viper is a "greedy" dps, like samurai and black mage. (They don't have raid buffs) In exchange, their dps is supposed to be some of the highest in the game.

[@kyrxon277]

@@chon4k yah, right! haha

[@nodot17]

shoutouts to that 1 ranged in alliance raids that stands in the middle of butt fuck nowhere so the healer has to specifically single target heal them since they never get hit by your aoe heals even now with earth star being the size of a planet

[@absollum]

I just let them die at that point. It's fine if they're new and paniced during a mechanic, but I have very little patience for slackjaws. If you wanted to be healed, you'd be in range of the heals.

[@whodis3489]

@@absollum >Healers when asked to do the bare minimum amount of healing lmao, you deserve everything squeenix gives you

[@absollum]

@@whodis3489 it's not a hard ask for them to not be out of range of the heals. You should know by at least lvl 70 how far away you can be and still get healed, and that's super generous. Its also super rare considering you have to go out of your way to not be in range of most heals. Cure 3 is probably the only one that consistently doesn't get everyone from my experience, but it's usually a cold day in hell when I'm forced to use Cure 3. Newer players have an excuse, but the lvl 70+ machinist should know better than that. I'm not going to keep giving bandaids to the wall licker who should know better.

[@whodis3489]

@@absollum If you don't want to heal then why are you playing healer?

[@absollum]

@@whodis3489 I want to be a healer. I'm just not willing to entertain those who decided to not be cooperative and stand with the rest of group like you're supposed to 99% of the time in this game. Seriously, why are you defending this bad habit?

[@deriklarue8433]

Xeno..well said...

[@dale7326]

Dawntrail job logic: anything that good need more dmg, anything else get nerf

[@davidlynch9469]

Those Sam skills currently have no recast timers. You cant currently use those either of those skills without fisrt using the ogcd skill meikyo shisui. So either this is a translation error or it will change absolutely nothing. A real fix would be to give tsubame-gaeshi its own timer cd again then what the said would make sense.

[@Angelictwinkie]

I'm not sure what it is, but I don't like the attacks that are gated behind raid buffs. Not that I have a lot of room to complain, I don't really play EX/Savage level content so I'm not sure how something like that affects the overall flow of rotations, if at all.

[@LilypadOW]

6:20 nice suggestion xeemon

[@Memyx]

VPR is perfect, if you ask me. The positionals are whatever, I'm not gonna lose any sleep if they remove them. I will, however, be pissed if they slow down the job.

[@NewWave3313]

Picto is so fun right now and I am sad when they inevitably kill its damage lol

[@madlinkers8595]

it drops down aftrr burst so nope they wont they need to bring blm back up to the other dps is all

[@NewWave3313]

@@madlinkers8595 hope they bring the others up yeah!

[@majinbobbyhill828]

I stopped leveling jt for this reason. Too good to be true lol. The devs have conditioned me to not enjoy any fun class not named Warrior for too long as they will crush it

[@noahwagoner7650]

No picto needs to be nerfed it.makes no sense doing that much damage

[@Excybob]

FF14 rather buffs than nerfs, so probably other classes gets buffed while Picto remains unchanged

[@ToaChronix]

I thought making jobs easy and boring was bad? Sure positionals sucked in Heavensward but we aren't in that expansion anymore, you don't lose your combo when you miss a positional in Dawntrail. Trying to land positionals around the mechanics is fun and adds a bit of extra skill expression to melee.

[@leighg9o]

Its pointless

[@SILVERONIN]

Skill expression lol yes going from flank to rear is REALLY expressive, how about freely move around and maintain your combos during a hectic boss mechanic, NOW THAT'S FUN!

[@TheBaconShaman]

I think the real issue is that melee dps need _something_ to make up for the extra damage they deal over casters. Melee dps have always paid for their damage with a positional tax in the same way that casters have always paid for their damage by being forced to stand still to apply full rotations (even SMN has a short casting phase). Removing positionals threatens to throw this out of balance without either reducing the output of melee dps or raising the output of casters.

[@Fa1nTy]

Losing your combo / buff didnt' suck in HW either, Xeno wouldn't know as he didn't play melee in HW, and others that have been around just as long and have just as valid an opinion, did like then lol. If you think you might miss a positional, just hold your GCD for a half second. If your tank is beyblading the boss in raid, kick em. It's better than the current rotations, where a autohotkey script can purple parse on most melees if you keep your character in range lmao.

[@ShadowDancer_]

Facts

[@zachwhitmore4894]

Holy fuck it pisses me off when ppl start running from tank and shit

[@CheKazzo]

Viper feels like wack-a-mole Having fun with it but still feel like I’m all over the place outside of the basic entry combo

[@chelseahutchens6555]

Oddly I never have issues on any tank generating and holding aggro.

[@TheDarkestPhoenix]

Viper is supposed to be quick, it's in the name, it's a fast snake. What were people expecting? The 3 second cast times of BLK? That being said, I've always been on the side of positionals are stupid and should have been removed a long time ago.

[@tyty8484]

My experience PLD tanking with a picto: Dash in - eclipse - Picto has aggro

[@TheAuron32]

Yeah the Gap Closer on GNB is so awkward i rarely use it, i just Lightning Shot, its better cos you are at least causing hate, the gap closer makes you sit there with your thumb up your arse for a full second... The part about DPS (and sometimes healers for me) running AWAY always makes me mad, usually because they slap the mob right away, i like to get at least 1 AoE hit off, ideally my combo to really get hate THEN run to the next pack, but they do not like to wait and will just zip on ahead while im getting my AoE hits on the first pack lol

[@Rickus316]

I’ve noticed when using picto and viper you absolutely melt the enemies and so quickly too

[@ruggedlemmings9163]

The only reason positionals still exist is to force True North into rotations. Yet the funny part is that the fact that True North exists further proves that positionals themselves are a bullshit mechanic. Edit: Xeno's got a good point about ranged DPS that steals aggro then flees from the tank. But for every one of those there's a tank in an Alliance Raid that gets an AoE tank-buster put on them and then starts humping the leg of the nearest DPS.

[@raiddaddy1635]

At this point just remove the positionals from melee jobs. There is no reason for them anymore. The fights are more complex and you are moving around anyway.

[@MeldinX2]

No they should have them for some jobs and not others. And the ones that have them should get rewarded or punished heavily depending how good they are at meeting the positionals. And if you are a player that dislike positionals their are other jobs that those players can choose.

[@OneTallBloke]

If you don't want positionals on your melee, there's four tank jobs. Posi's are one of the last things we have that allow for a skill ceiling on melee

[@MeldinX2]

@@OneTallBloke Yeah 4 tank jobs that are basically the same with diffrent skins. And soon meele dps will also all be the same thing in practise. Just stand still and hit buttons. Having positionals matter DID make it harder. Hence having a higher skill ceiling for certain jobs. Again i'm not saying every meele job needs to have positionals but some of them should and it should be a part of that jobs identity. While other jobs could have other ''gimmics'' to them that seperate them from it peers.

[@raiddaddy1635]

@@MeldinX2 I am more in line with what you believe. I main melee because I enjoy it. Honestly I don’t care whether they keep positionals or not. I handle positionals on viper fine. People who act like melee isn’t interesting without positionals are ridiculous though. You are never standing still during a boss fight except for maybe really old dungeon content. I can see your point though in having it be part of job identity for certain jobs and I can agree with that

[@MeldinX2]

@@raiddaddy1635 Yeah that's my main point. The job identity is important also. I want jobs to play diffrent from the next job.

[@TenebrisGladius]

GNB/DRK/DRG gap closer has a weird delay both before and after using them - but what baffles me is that they worried about AGGRO MANAGEMENT on tanks?????? ffs, as a DRK i'm struggling here with all these parse healers around and their swiftcast+res "my bad" combo instead of healing me properly....we have problems, and AGGRO MANAGEMENT isn't one, pull properly.

[@a.e.richardson218]

xdd if you run into '100% parse healers' its definitely a you or dps problem

[@cattysplat]

They are quite slow for a gapcloser, some stupid animation lock.

[@VentusLionheart]

God I HATE the DRG dash with a burning passion! I can't believe we lost spine shatter to this shitty dash. They could've just given DRGs a jump gap closer that does no damage with the same animation time of Spine Shatter.

[@queequegtheater6093]

@@VentusLionheart I don't even use it outside of dungeon pulls where the tank gets a bit too far ahead, in trials I use Elusive almost exclusively as my gap closer

[@NomoregoodnamesD8]

Picto currently does enough damage (like 2600 combined DPS potency) in their first 2 GCDs that tanks need to pull the EX fights with provoke / tomahawk or they will immediately lose aggro until they burst. I think what's going on is that people are doing their AoE burst on dungeon trash mobs pre-pull. That being said, there are also pulls in DT where the first pack has a giant health sponge that could be single-target bursted, but the tank should be voking / tomahawking them...

[@uanael4959]

I agree I hate positions. I rather focus on mechanics then where I'm standing according to the boss. Plus when bosses turn it can make fights annoying.

[@sunray501]

"Let It Go has an extra chorus" Lmaoooo bless that chatter 🤣

[@valkyriebait136]

Seriously - dashing into mobs on DRK right now is just weird. Not worse. Not problematic. Just weird.

[@Mattatoskr]

always eating

[@Emolga91]

"In no world should getting and removing a buff make sense" Looks awkwardly at DRK in p6 of TOP dying to Magic Number

[@xenorayy]

Big W for Astro, they added exactly what I wanted, a second lightspeed charge and 5 seconds off of the draws. No more cards drifting and we get to move once per minute, thank you Yoship :D

[@heathrileyy]

I also dont like positionals. I get why some people might find it enjoyable, but I just dont find it fun/engaging 🤷

[@KigerrMobile]

" Explain it to me a disney terms" 😅

[@SH1NK1R01]

I think positionals would be good as a specific class trait. Like if a single class had them as part of its core design. But as an overarching mechanic for melee? Yeah it’s super annoying. It’s kind of cool sometimes but it’s not worth the headache it causes in some fights and it definitely does limit fight design. They can’t make bosses that spin around or force you to move too much or melees just lose damage with no recourse. And even if they just made all moves deal their positional damage it wouldn’t even make melees that much stronger since they already are balanced around always hitting those. It just makes them less annoying and more consistent.

[@biocajun86]

Totally agree on the Viper speed (amazing) and Twitter brain rot lol. But I really do like the CURRENT positionals. I have to actually think about my actions and where I am. I’m not saying removing positionals is bad, but it would make things more boring

[@waterscape8198]

it would not make think more boring because the game would have more awesome boss design . Like how do you think about were you are when some boss doesn't even have positional

[@biocajun86]

@@waterscape8198 if you don’t mind explaining, how would that look? What would be the improvement in boss design?

[@OneTallBloke]

@@biocajun86 Not that person, but I think it's not 'we can have more awesome boss design', it's 'there's a chance we can have more awesome boss design'. Yes P2S was kinda cool, but for every P2S, there's a P7S, or a E7S, fights which absolutely suck and 'not having positionals' doesn't somehow save them from being shit fights The easiest way to test the theory is to simply pick any fight that has positionals. How does removing the positionals 'improve' the fight, beyond 'I don't like positionals, therefore it'd be more fun for me'? The answer, IMO, is 'it doesn't'. Positionals are one of the few things left in the game that allow a player to express their skill level. If we remove them, Melee parsing will devolve to the same thing every other role's parsing is, just hoping for crits This is a PSA to anyone who doesn't like positionals: There's four melee Jobs in the game that don't have any. They're called Paladin, Warrior, Dark Knight and Gunbreaker.

[@krystalfox6562]

If they remove positionals I need them to add something in its place they have made these jobs so easy at this point I'm falling asleep playing. Started playing right before HW came out and liked all the changes with Stormblood but since then its literally just been homoginzing and beating any complexity out of these jobs.

[@jakeywaykey]

No one cares about removing positionals, but if they nerf the busyness of Viper its just gonna be boring compared to what it currently is.

[@HellChakan]

KB from inner release destroyed me in early prog P1 DSR

[@TheYambino]

As a traditional fighting game player, Im always baffled by Square shying away from some jobs being harder than others. Just because I may not be good at playing a busy job optimally, doesn't mean others who enjoy that should get it taken away. It also doesnt mean Im not allowed to play the job if its hard.

[@pegeta]

tank aoes need a range increase by at least 3 yalms

[@JorgeVargasC]

Sorry Im not a regular Xeno watcher, is he always this calm? i used to think he was very loud

[@Govakhelsborne]

I play a lot of POTD and with monk the way it is right now, there is no reason to ever use Tornado kick at 60. It is a potency loss to use that instead of spamming Elixir Field in most cases.

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

Can I ask why? Just curious. I still need to get Necromancer one day

[@whodis3489]

@@Pikachu-qr4yb If you want to get Necromancer I would advise you not to do it on MNK lmao

[@Sammael757]

Regarding positionals: Why do people rave over these so much? I haven't played a ton of MMOs, but the ones I have played - WoW, SWTOR, ESO, GW2 - don't seem to incorporate positional abilities (WoW maybe had 1 on rogue for backstab iirc). It seems a very FF14-specific thing that has not aged well with the way the game has progressed imo.

[@Metaspark350]

As someone who mained Dragoon back when Heavy Thrust’s damage bonus had a positional requirement, please delete them from the game

[@kiragi17]

7:02 so true. WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?

[@IsaxAlpha]

I've had aggro taken from with gnb and i thought i was losing my mind on initial pulls. Like I swore I had hit the enemy right with the 2 aoe's but somehow one of them was chasing a dps after it. Also GNB dash is trash!!!!!!

[@Pitch04]

The gap closer changes are stupid that its inconsistent across tanks. Why change 2 but not the others? And why make them feel like shit to use in comparison to their original ones

[@alloounou6900]

I get the impression this is the start of bigger changes to come. Paladin and warrior party mit has been a barrier while dark knight and gunbreaker are damage reduction. I'd wager they want to have two types of tanks similar to how we have shield and pure healers right now.

[@kellevichy]

As picto I am constantly pulling trash from tanks unless it's my bf who's tanking and I'll get so much trash on me. I'll sit ON TOP of the tank and they STILL won't get aggro off of me; it's absolutely insane. Not even stopping all damage until they stop help this. How hard is it to see if a party member is taking damage to target and provoke? Esp if the person getting mauled is right on top of you ( usually a ranged enemy is the cause of missing their AOE.. if they're even hitting AOE ). Literally no situational awareness.

[@00maik100]

i dont understand viper complain i started to play it it literally play it by itself the only thin im paying attention to is hit my positioners and im most of th time easy top or atleast im pretty high dps

[@traugdor]

PICTO nukes pull trash off the tank unless the tank does two AOE GCDs.

[@VOIDROSE_]

whoever said "i hope they slow it down" when he talked about vpr is a psycho

[@godless1014]

Tanks have problems holding aggro because they breath on an enemy and expect to hold aggro as they run to the next pack while their dps are blasting away with their best shit. Stop. Take a second to build aggro. Then move.

[@Gwynbleidd_117]

I mean I agree I don’t understand people’s love of positionals. It’s a completely arbitrary requirement to more damage, that adds nothing to the enjoyment of playing the job. I don’t mind doing them but I don’t see defenders infatuation with them. And those of you that defend them acting like they take skill and not caring for them is a skill issue are fucking hilarious.

[@peekatyou7315]

They take skill for the MID ass players that are bored in Normal Trials, and don't even do their rotation properly😂 They are attached to positional because it let's them think they are good at the game by hitting them

[@thenotorious_o.n.i6056]

i love Xeno becuase he really say what he's thinking without hypocrisy like every other content creator of this game, who are constantly treat devs like gods that make no mistakes. I LOVE the fact that finally someone who's competent at this game say the truth about positionals. they must go, we dont need them and they limit the fight to the usual old shit. no positionals at all would be so good for this game, but braindead nolifer parse goblins that thinks they're good cause they hit flank or back still defending positionals, which is stupid as fuck, imagine having way more mobility as melee without positionals how could change the mechs of fights. So, thank you Xeno, you're one of the few who really knows what's good for this game and don't live in the past all the time

[@Dragnoff88]

The Monk has been trash since the start of Endwalker.

[@horror-muppet]

I'm glad that the MNK rotation and aoe is being fixed since right now the aoe rotation feels weak and the single target rotation feels awkward with the addition of having to maintain your balls of fury.

[@zedorian6547]

I certainly dont miss positionals.

[@DICEBOY22]

I absolutely hate the nothing dashes that tanks recieved. Paladin still has thier damage move strangely enough... But as a guy who plays all three out of four except warrior... I HATE IT I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT.

[@deroestheknight7853]

I mean personally I'd rather they just commit and remove potency from the dashes on PLD and WAR (Don't remember if theres does or not) as well. Never liked looking at openers and seeing it being suggested to fit in the gap closer to squeak in a liiiitle more damage, because if the DPS check is that tight something is already gone wrong.

[@themadhatter9358]

I love how people talk about positionals like it is a life or death situation and it makes a job infinitely more engaging when most people don't actually know how to do their damn rotation in the first place. I like positionals on a couple abilities. And I think that everybody is blowing this completely out of proportion like they said they're going to remove all positionals. What will probably happen is that they will remove the positionals from either the base combo or dreadwinder either or

[@peekatyou7315]

People who are bad hyperfocus on Positionals because it's the only thing they can do correctly

[@TheTrueAlucard]

To be honest, I don't understand why we still have some positionals in the respective classes... In my opinion, positionals should be completely removed from the game. Bosses and their hitboxes are getting bigger and bigger, so they might as well take skills like "True North" completely out of the game, you wouldn't need them anyway and yeah, 1 less skill in the skill bar is better for controller players. Not everyone is a PC god or plays with a mouse and keyboard with what feels like 30 horizontal skill and action bars, all of which have to be operated.