The T-Rex vs Spinosaurus Controversy

Here I go into pretty much every ounce of detail I can give about the whole T-rex vs Spino controversy. What it means to people and what my personal opinions are about it.

[@KingOldManBob]

Fun fact: the military at the end of the 3rd film was supposed to have a fight with the spino but had to be cut for either time or cost

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Yep! Wish they kept it in!

[@victorfrankenstein4409]

Well that sucks.

[@jurassicking101.4]

The Military probably killed Spino.

[@Snapmaw]

The raptors were also supposed to have a fight scene with the spino aswell they cut a bunch of stuff near the part with the eggs at the end

[@keyblade280]

That would of been a much better ending and might of actually saved the movie at leat a bit

[@Iguana5k]

The spino is a cool dinosaur. They made the mistake of making it kill the rex too easy. Its like walking up to a kid, take its favorite toy, throw it into a fire and give it a new one saying "that one is better, you like this now!!!"

[@theculturedjinni]

I actually would have accepted the fight if the Spino dominated the T-rex from the start and never was caught in maw of the T-Rex since that would have resulted in instant broken neck due to the bite force. Spinosaurus itself would have been capable of killing a young T-rex(or if lucky/aggressive enough even an adult one). They needed better buildup in the movie for that to happen in good storytelling way.

[@thespinelizard4444]

Nostalgia critic 1689/3005

[@jasonvoorhees5180]

Nostalgia critic is that you ?

[@Black_Wolf1357]

@@theculturedjinni the trex in jp3 is actually adult, it's an average adult size trex, it's just another buck.

[@Black_Wolf1357]

@@zzlpx Nope it's not a juvenile or else it would be smaller and it would be with the parents, juvenile is all made up by fans as an excuse.

[@TheActionBrick]

Personally I found the Spinosaurus' victory in JP 3 quite refreshing. If T-Rex was the big bad guy AGAIN after two movies it would be a bit disappointing to me. But yeah, realistically, Spinosaurus doesn't look like it was made to fight something as big as a T-Rex.

[@GreekOrthodox7]

The Action Brick exactly. Finally somebody gets the point and isn’t a baby about the T-Rex dying. People would get bored of the T-Rex if it was the big scary dinosaur for the third movie in a row.

[@Black_Wolf1357]

@@GreekOrthodox7 the trex in jp3 is adult, it's a full grown bull trex.

[@GreekOrthodox7]

Black Wolf so what?

[@Deletedchannel506]

The Action Brick spinosaur are bigger than rexes

[@hibiki9380]

@@Deletedchannel506 the bite force is a joke compare to the Rex....

[@mllscreen8894]

Let’s admit it. The T-rex vs Giganotosaurus fight from Dino Crisis was way more humiliating than the JP3 fight

[@ayushmankar4100]

Humiliating for T-Rex fans .

[@Peterisa_monkey.1]

It basically wasn't a fair fight when you look at the giganotosaurus size in dino crisis

[@BadassHater1]

Except for the fact that giga in Dino Crisis 2 was pretty much TWICE THE SIZE OF A FUCKING T-REX while spino in JP3 was almost the same size Plus if they really wanted to make T-Rex lose to him they shouldn't have made him instantly chomp on spino''s neck at the start. Because considering his bite force - spino should've been FUCKED. Right then and there.

[@MasterBoydo]

@@BadassHater1 the trex obviously didnt use his full bite force

[@wheelofwokesellouts3900]

very late but the t-rex in the movie is same age as a 85 year old woman.. it was 35 year old or more when t rex lived for max 30 or something.

[@25Erix]

I like Spino but not because it beat the Rex in the film. Up until 2001, I had no idea it even existed. I will admit that I thought they completely made it up. A quick search online showed that to be wrong. It was just completely overshadowed. I took one look and thought "that's cool". Simple as that. Coolness is my baseline, hence my personal attachment to the animal. But even I know its jaw and skull shape make for a weaker bite. I think the theory that it wasn't a "real" Spino but a prototype hybrid should exonerate it a little. A genetic freak that's more subtle on the freak side. If the theory is true, then Spino led to Indominus.

[@MemesToa]

That theory actually makes a bit of sense. Given Alan's full line on Spino not being on InGen's list, "That makes me wonder what else they were up to here," kinda(unintentionally) foreshadows the I-Rex. The fact that Spinosaurus wasn't on InGen's list possibly means that the creature itself was a hybrid: Part-suchomimus, part-giganotosaurus, hint of real Spino and boom! Rex Killer!

[@buttons551]

Also the spino had those huge forearms with massive claws that could do some serious damage in place of its jaws.

[@BottomBunkArt]

The T-Rex is terrifying in 1 and 2, but not 3 and World

[@theculturedjinni]

The T-Rex was still terrifying in Jurassic World, i mean it managed to hold its own for a long time against the freakshow, the indominus.

[@zohaibsaleem5599]

DVJFan it wasn’t terrifying because it lost it muscles from being kept in an enclosure for so long

[@ether2275]

T-Rex wasn't scary cause Indo was much scarier.

[@sneakgameryt9197]

Rexy is a hero in jw😂

[@AllosaurusJP3]

@@ether2275 Thats like saying an alligator is not scary, a crocodile is way more scary! Both are scary creatures you don't need to mess with

[@VanguardEndeavor]

Sucks that spino gets hate because the image of the creature was used to kill the JP star. Would be nice if people could just let it go and not gripe about it and let that encounter be chalk up as a luck kill and if were to happen again Trex would stick a branch of the spinos rear and mop the floor with it. Spino is my favorite Dino just because of how cool and special he looks with the sail. Also BBC earths version of spino is a good representation of the creature as far as the bipedal spino

[@ozkan576]

Yeah Spino gets hate for the creators poor writing imo.

[@mullaoslo]

We wouldn't have a problem with it (the fight was announced way before the movie came out and Fandom was not mad about that, it was even quite obvious the spino would win since it even took the logo) the problem was how easy the spino won.. Here was this creature who was the biggest baddest thing in the first two movies and here comes this new crocodile looking motherfucker and takes it down like the rex did the raptors in the first movie. They showed no respect to the T Rex, and that's why kids like me who was there day one for the Third time.. It was a slap in our faces as well.. And then they dared end the movie after 90 minutes like this was some small time monster movie.. I have never hated a movie from day one except this one (I still watch it when I marathon the series but it's just so offensive to me)

[@VanguardEndeavor]

Marius Møller, you have to agree with me that the art work of the T-Rex and the spino saying “We have some things to discuss” with the paleontologist made me laugh though

[@user-kj7ef7iq6e]

Marius Møller how is it offensive to you its a a fucking dinosaur its gone extinct you idiot we dont even know what it actually looks like all we have is its bones

[@mullaoslo]

Duplicate Hydra it was offensive as a jp fan from the beginning. It was many peoples favorite in the movies.. To kill the T Rex like bitch in 1 minute is not cool.. And no need for name calling dude.. I didnt say shit directed at you

[@HORRIOR1]

I really cant blame them for having Spinosaurus defeat Tyrannosaurus Rex, because at the time, that was the scientifically believed fact. The fossil record on Spinosaurus is incredibly incomplete, and it was only several years later, that we learned more about it. Like it being quadrupedal shallow water hunter, and that it grew larger than other predators, due to water buoyancy, food availability, and lack of competition.

[@theculturedjinni]

And even it being a quadrupedal shallow water hunter is still doubted by some paleontologists which have questioned the use of diffrent specimens in order to assert that. I am also kinda doubful about it considering that other spinosaurids did not have those proportions but that is something for the experts to decide upon.

[@tvvistedv3nom26]

HORRIOR the quadruple spino was debunked

[@tvvistedv3nom26]

Karl Bjur yeah it was debunked so it’s a biped and the skeleton they put together was a chimera mixed with juvenile spino bones and another type of spinosaurid

[@tvvistedv3nom26]

Rexy Lin In paleontology, a chimera is a fossil that was reconstructed with elements coming from more than a single species of animal and just look up quadrupled spinosaurus debunked and you’ll find shit and if you don’t then ask me again and I’ll send you some links it’s bipedal but it’s still somewhat smaller than originally thought so only 49ft long either way doesn’t matter if it’s bipedal or quadruple it still can’t kill a trex irl

[@tvvistedv3nom26]

Rexy Lin and I’ve read all about his study and watched the documentary on it but it was debunked already so it’s not relevant anymore

[@DJSkandalous]

I would say Turok was a successful game. But not sure how the sales were back then for N64.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

It was pretty popular back in the day! I loved the series

[@JGlitch2012]

The Turok series still has high ratings on Steam as well. Even with the dates graphics.

[@GreyHell241]

iT'S ALL ABOUT ARK. ARK, BRO, ARK!

[@jennytalia6724]

The Turok creators actually went on to make my favorite game, Metroid Prime. They were successful enough.

[@warmac88]

2Pac Remix I AM TUROK!!!

[@LAZZAMCPE]

Id be mad if they don't include the spinosaur in upcoming Jurassic world game

[@lucidmotion]

it was stronger than the rex in JPOG, so i hope they switch that around for the new one

[@jackfawn]

It's confirmed, spino is included

[@nodnarbdabarb]

I seriously can't wait for Evoloution.

[@princelorian]

Of course its included for $4.99 plus tax and tip.

[@BlueGuyTube]

Included in the base game. Also, the T-rex species profile is probably the best "rematch" we will ever get

[@semajdeshra1219]

I think the Spino is beautiful, what we know of it realisticly makes it one of my favorites. I also love giant monsters so as far as the movies go bringing in a bigger dino made me happy, and wouldn't mind seeing an even bigger Giga come in. That being said, I don't think the Rex and Spino ever had to meet, they could be separate threats that constantly harass the characters. A giant on land, sea, and air (possibly a Quetz) no respite for our hero's. Unfortunately I do agree now that kind of have to reestablish the Rex as the apex.

[@dinomking3108]

I like the spino more and i acknowledge that it would likely loose to a rex. I also make the argument that it comes down to chance, fitness, health and age as well as genetic modification (since the spino may not be fully spino DNA) I just want people to acknowledge that there were other large predators at the time, such as the Giga. These other large carnivores dont get the acknowledgement they deserve so i would like for the media and audiences to experience more of them

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

The value of something is not impacted in any way by how many normalized losers are aware of it.

[@cypherdk85]

What annoyed me the most when I saw the movie, was the fact that it broke the T-Rex neck, like the raptor broke the neck of that red shirt guy. Would any dinosaur really break someone's neck?

[@KlaytonFioriti]

I know right lol

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

CyphDK Actually, breaking the neck would be a very good way to dispatch preu. You don't spill blood until you start eating, allowing you to eat more before competitors start coming over, looking for a free meal.

[@thespoonman4208]

This fact that the Spino knew about the neck snap actually gives us some insight of how the Spino really survived with T. Rexs, which I think is a nice touch and a hidden detail that a lot of people overlook.

[@user-xx3rr1no7o]

I don’t think spino has the power to break a T. rex neck, just look at the size of their heads and neck

[@nahor88]

Better question yet... why did the Rex even bother chasing the humans? IT WAS ALREADY EATING A GIANT CARCASS. The first two movies made an effort to convey that dinosaurs, carnivorous or not, were ANIMALS, NOT monsters. In fact, a huge carnivore like the Rex would likely not even bother chasing a human; the calories it would expend would be more than what it would get from eating the person.

[@RidiKill]

One of my biggest problems with the Spinosaurus is how it acts more like a movie monster than an animal or character. It's just an antagonist. It just...roars, chases and attacks, and that's all it does. You don't get the sense of bewildered curiousity the Tyrannosaurus in JP1 shows when it peers into the explorer and nudges it for the first time, or the parental outrage the rex parents in TLW exhibit when their offspring is threatened.

[@RidiKill]

bigevilworldwide1 As has been pretty exhaustively discussed, it was not known that the dromaeosaurs would have had feathers at the time they made JP1. And beyond that, it's really just a name swap between Deinonychus and Velociraptor, which hardly offends me. I was talking about treating the animals like they're theme park attractions that exist solely to attack and scare our protagonists regardless of logic. You could argue that the raptors are a little psychotic for real animals in JP1, but the movie really nicely sets up that these animals hate captivity and resent the humans imprisoning them. Plus we get little moments that, for want of a better term, humanise the raptors (the raptor hatchling, the raptors snapping at one another to enforce hierarchy, the raptor failing to figure out Lex's reflection in the kitchen...) The Spinosaurus has been living wild on Sorna for years, surrounded by herds of prey, but for no real reason it keeps showing up to menace a small band of humans. That's what I mean about it being a movie monster and not an animal.

[@XenomorphLV426]

Spino was an abused Ingen experiment. It got hit by a plane and shot at. There's an explanation.

[@stiricidium2281]

I love the spinosaurus and its relatives. They are my favorite dinosaurs apart from carnotaurus, but they are not equipped to take on a bone-crushing powerhouse like the tyrannosaurus rex. I think that the Ingen-cloned spinosaurus left on Sorna had a rough solitary upbringing much like the indominus. It was also very likely the company's first genetically-modified hybrid, an "accident left on Sorna." All of their cloned dinosaurs seem more robust, violent, and combat-ready than their real life counterparts though. I was also kind of disappointed about so many changes to JP3's script after I learned about it. It could have been one of the best films of the franchise if more of those details had been present in the film. Especially if the spinosaurus had been revealed to be a true theme park monster as Grant described earlier in the film. Instead we can only theorize its origins.

[@lemegazord8698]

The spino who killed the rex was genetically modified.

[@zilladude3340]

True

[@EventsO3525]

I think it was there is that page you can go to and it tells you

[@Kortifex]

Thats what rex fanboys dont realize there is no reality in movies

[@EventsO3525]

It was though Klaytion made a different video explaining how it is one

[@jurassicking101.4]

Agreed. I think it was almost a hybrid. Just not as much as the Indominus.

[@sharkdoesstufff]

Tbh, They would both win depending on where they fight. Trex wins on land, Spino wins in water... I still love Spinosaurus because it's sexy.

[@Wilantonjakov]

Sexy Spino! Definitely a hot bastard.

[@pqsnet]

In the movie however its on land, And T-rex rarely goes to the water where spino lives... So bummer!

[@pqsnet]

HAHA What? Really? Swim?

[@supergrover1746]

That's IF Spinosaurus was semi-aquatic. If he wasn't, and the original information they had was true, the Spinosaurus would be so much taller than Tyrannosaurus that it couldn't even reach the fatal parts, and would need to win by a bleed out

[@uncomfortablyclose8481]

Pqsnet well the spinosaurus in the movie is implied to be not quite like a regular spinosaurus. Probably a hybrid or strengthened breed

[@BoogeyMan828]

This video is complete bullshit! We all know the Dodo is the REAL king of the dino's...

[@KlaytonFioriti]

lol

[@xCRO3x]

Dodo Rex

[@BoogeyMan828]

REEEE cluck cluck REEEEE lol

[@TheGinnerMatty]

I always thought that at the end of JW when the Rex fought the Indom a spino should’ve been released also to help fight

[@Hypeet]

Well in a deleted scene in fk the Rex killed a spino I think it was the one from jp3 but idk

[@gamingwithtylermillermille3798]

@@Hypeet what do hypeet What's the deleted scene

[@gamingwithtylermillermille3798]

Oh fallen kingdom but I cant find it

[@kadiyou8574]

@@Hypeet Nope the one in Jwfk was from isla nublat and jp3 was in sorna

[@Hypeet]

@@kadiyou8574 have you read anything about Jp online? They only made one spinosaurus so it was the one from jp3 and in 2003 they moved all the dinos from Sorna to Nublar

[@RedDragonForce2]

There’s a big reason why the Spinosaurus had to win: It was a more dangerous threat. The T-Rex is King, but the Spinosaurus was more of a threat to the humans. Spinosaurus can also swim where the T-Rex cannot. Once they got onto the river, the T-Rex wouldn’t have been able to touch them. Not until they got to the edge of the island where, after Alan had already called for a rescue, it would have to allow them to leave the island, maybe even without confronting the raptors. Henry Wu said it himself: you wanted more teeth. The T-Rex could NOT have been the big bad for a third time, it would have gotten tired and repetitive irrespective of the fans feelings towards it. I welcomed the Spinosaurus because it changed the game. The T-Rex has been proven to be defeatable. If not for the decision of wanting the Dinos to stay alive, the T-Rex is easy to take down with enough bullets from enough weapons. It’s part of the controversy in Fallen Kingdom: how easy it is to take down the T-Rex. Let JP3 stand, because having the T-Rex win every time would get old, stale, and repetitive. Just saying!!

[@jurassicking101.4]

Yeah, the Spino was more of a threat to people that what Trex was. Trex was a proper animal. Also, I beleive Trex would win half of the time, but not all of the time. AKA If that Trex was an adult, then I would say this battle would be 50/50. Trex can get Spino in the Spine while Spino can break Trex neck. Ex: A grizzly bear would not follow you everywhere if it sees you, but it has the power to kill you. A criminal would follow you everywhere if necessary.

[@snekkie117]

the t-rex likely could swim theres no evidence that it couldnt, also an adult t-rex easily beats a spino atleast 8/10 times

[@robloxclipsforpd1752]

Saul you are stupid a spino with that small teeth couldn’t break into a thick neck of a T. rex. Go read a book and see he was a fish eater

[@Black_Wolf1357]

@@snekkie117 the trex in jp3 is adult but if it's reality then yes spinosaurus would be dead easily.

[@thorodinson6625]

@@robloxclipsforpd1752 guy, this is a genetically modified version. Anything is possible

[@albertaguilar1059]

I think I'd rather see the T-Rex tear apart the Kirby's. How's that for bloodlust?

[@jennytalia6724]

While funny, I dont ever want to see anything from JP /// again. Especially the inaccurate Spinosaurus. Only thing done right was the Pteranodons.

[@Jocke-04]

I think the spino was a hybrid

[@thecheshyhunter5894]

What about the Spinosaurus wasn't accurate?

[@itsdre9x9]

jenny talia In the movie's defense, no one really knew the true way in which Spinosaurus looked at that point on time. I guess everyone just assumed that it stood like most other bipedal carnivorous dinosaurs.

[@RaikenXion]

Lol Yeah i fuckin hate that family, Tea Leoni is great in Bad Boys 1 and Deep Impact but she is fuckin annoying in JP3, she goes on extra and that idiot guy who plays the father, they were so damn annoying. They should have died, but the kid too wasnt great he came across abit smug tbh.

[@aquartic2175]

What if the Spino was genetically modified to be a more killer dinosaur, like the Indominus Rex?

[@joshuadesautels]

That seems to be the thought now.

[@NagaYamiyo]

I was introduced to the Spino back in JP3 and to this day its one of my favorite Dinosaurs! I would love to see it in JW! But I understand why people are pissed at it and why they want a rematch. While I don't care for the rematch, I acknowledge that it would most likely loose. Whether it's due to realistic biology or decision by the writers.

[@kevgamer12]

you're a respectable person on that. i've seen a bunch of spino fans lose it hearing that, so i'm glad at least some agree with it even if it isn't their favorite idea. i just think it should happen cause they did pull a middle finger to the T-rex fans which been there for years.

[@sergiomeza3195]

jack horner- the buzzkill of the paleontology community

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

@JapaneseGiant Lizard1234 Still hate it and the Allosaurus.

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

@JapaneseGiant Lizard1234 try not to be so triggered, nancy.

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

@JapaneseGiant Lizard1234 None of the dinos are 100% accurrate so I don't expect them to be, but when they look stupid i'm going to call it out. The Allo I could live with since they kinda fixed some of it in the short film, but the Bary still looks like shit. It doesn't make sense because the yellow/teal Bary designed for the films looked perfect to me. Why not just use that one? Also I have no idea what you are trying to say with the meme shit. I am not a teenager, i'm 32 and we use full sentences to convey what we mean. I also despise (even more than Fallen Kingdom) the new Star Wars movies, so.... ya. I enjoyed JW, but acknowledge it is quite flawed. FK is just a mess to me and the 2nd/3rd act is boring and Disney SW is less than garbage. At least garbage once had a use.

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

@JapaneseGiant Lizard1234 Is explored the relationship less than JW so not sure what you mean there.

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

@JapaneseGiant Lizard1234 The bary..... uhhhh ok. What's the big deal? Do you have some sort of emotional investment in the damn design of the baryonyx? You know you can like the movie and still criticize it, right? I think it's objectively bad, but we all have some bad movies we like that others don't. Doesn't mean you have to get all fanboy and defensive over it.

[@ocsartobi6844]

In a land fight the rex would win no doubt, but in a river or pond I'd give it to the Spino IF it could surprise the rex and drag it under crocodile style.

[@Tarbtano]

I do agree that the fight was poorly done, even if the effects were awesome and full kudos to the animatronics and CGI teams. That said, I do think some folks need to calm the hell down because a part of the backlash was based off the very idea T.rex could lose a fight, which caused a lot of folks to get overdefensive and insist a T.rex could trump any dinosaur, all day, every day, and must win every fight ever. Look, it fully understand being upset; after all everyone loves the T.rex! It's the star of the franchise and I do not agree with it being killed in such a way. But we do need to understand it IS possible for it to lose. Across the fossil record their ARE dinosaurs who could have the chance to best a T.rex in a 1 on 1, upfront, no ambush or tricks fight. It wouldn't happen all the time, that just be as unrealistic as a T.rex winning all the time. But it can happen. Yes, it was wrong for the T.rex to lose in this manner. I would have much preferred it be a draw with no conclusive winner, thus keeping the T.rex badass credentials while justifying how powerful the Spinosaurus is as a competent rival and why it can be a valid alternative as a leading big theropod. But I do think some folks obsess over "restoring the T.rex's honor" a bit too much. I don't like this fight, I do like the Tyrannosaurus more than the Spinosaurus, but by this point everyone already knows the T.rex should win more. Bringing back the Spinosaurus JUST to kill it via T.rex wouldn't accomplish anything and just seem mean spirited to those who did actually like the creature and all the hard work put into creating it for cinema. Two wrongs don't make a right. When Rexy returned for the finale of Jurassic World, people didn't love it mostly because she smashed through a Spino skeleton (the act of further vindicates me in saying a rematch is unneeded), they loved it because Rexy got to throw down with a new rival and ultimately in a triumphant finale alongside other star species, triumph. You don't need the Spinosaurus dying to restore the T.rex's glory, it never left. Honestly if folks still need "closure" after 16 years of Spino bashing, I think your pride is way too easily damaged. Not talking about Klayton though, he's cool. PS: Also a shame for the fight we got as apparently in the script and visible in both concept art and a few cut scene shots, it was supposed to be MUCH longer and more intense. Ever notice the Spino never uses its claws in the fight? And the final neck bite seems to come out of nowhere? Well that's because there was multiple cut shots that would have made it a much bigger, drag-out brawl. And instead of just a necksnap, the Spino was supposed to full on pounce and tackle the Rex and smash it through several trees after recovering from a beat down. This would have made the fight a much more knock-down, drag out brawl like what we got in JW; which I think better shows off both theropods fighting at their best. As opposed to the T.rex bum rushing the Spino, who tanks through it and doesn't land a single hit until pulling a 1-hit-kill right outta nowhere without making use of its special traits.

[@evanbao93]

Agree with all of this. If they want the Spinosaurus to win, they should have the T. rex nearly winning the fight on dry land... until the Spinosaurus gets into the water. And then the Spino would use the water to ambush the Rex and drag it into the water when it would be helpless. It would establish that while T. rex rules the land, Spinosaurus rules the water. And it make the boat climax all the more suspenseful.

[@redbaron5308]

Nah its well deserved that a Spinosaurus should gets its ass kicked. Its for Jurassic Park fans not paleontologists.

[@Tarbtano]

Honestly? Weak. Makes the T.rex fanboys seem like whining brats who can't be happy despite 16 years of appeasement. Just let it go and move on. If the Spino and Tyranno fight again, it will be most predictable outcome in history as everyone will know it was just to pander.

[@dacksonflux]

The biggest reason I actually enjoy watching the fight is for the special effects. I get chills every time I see the details of the skin when the dinosaurs WOOSH by the camera. It's so beautiful and realistic.

[@monsterhanna6691]

Yeah I saw some of the script for the fight as well and I wonder why they changed it and made it shorter? What was wrong with the first draft? I don't hate or love the fight at all, but my only complaint about it is that it was way too short. I mean seriously, what was the point of even having it at all-while also bringing on a brand new dinosaur that was more powerful than the T-Rex-, if we get about thirty seconds of footage?

[@randydandytube]

What music was used in the video?

[@ShrubPlays]

It's not my favorite now, but JP3 was my favorite growing up. I thought the Spino was so epic, and I honestly still do.

[@andyhart3837]

All I'm saying is the way the T-Rex grabbed Spinosaurus by the neck, he would not have let go that easily.

[@jaygonzalez8575]

Andy Hart he would have DESTROYED IT!! He would have probebly pulled it’s head off!! there’s no way a Spino could beat and kill a Trex!! Trex teeth wore 2 to 3 times bigger than a Spinos!! And let’s not forget the bite force being a little more than double stronger than Spino!

[@Jiron127]

The rex didn't let go. He never had a good enough grip. We see it all the time with crocs, that don't have a good grip. Lose its prey. Point being, the rex fought spino like another rex. The arms saved the spino. Along with size and power to compete with the rex.

[@darkshat3077]

@@Jiron127 his whole mouth was wrapped around spinos neck. How is that not a good grip to you

[@evilzzzability]

No rematch needed, the T-Rex was rightfully restored to her rightful place by her part in Jurassic World.

[@KiwiSpartan01]

Van Dieu i agree, and this is coming from a Spino fan

[@danielemrich5978]

Same.

[@babyyoshi3099]

Indeed. I love the Spino, so I would be pissed if they did a rematch. I am not against the spino returning, but don't have it fight the trex. Maybe team up?

[@XenomorphLV426]

She's old, tbh. Basically almost died in the first few seconds against the irex

[@DanielDuhon]

Watching this now, I thought I was watching a different channel because of Klayton’s voice 😂

[@fatnakedjimmyneutron]

Spino was a merciless hybrid. The reason it won was genius. The rex was young and it indured the bite to the neck use it's long arms to its advantage and grabbed its neck and broke it. The spinos bite did nothing, its brain did the work.

[@Black_Wolf1357]

actually the trex in jp3 is adult, it's a full grown bull trex, juvenile or subadult is a fan theory.

[@wafflebooper9037]

The Spino wasn't a hybrid but genetically modified

[@swiftstreak98]

Trex should've won

[@vinsalmusic]

@@Black_Wolf1357 well it's not a juvenile, but it's a subadult. Did you see the official size chart of JP3? The Rex was 14.5 feet tall and 37 long. Rexy in JP and JW was 18 feet tall and 43 long. The female rex in JP2 was 19/20 feet tall and 40 long, while the bull was around 16 and 40. The spino in jp3 was 16 and 37.

[@palacios185]

How the fuck was the rex young dude? It looked fully grown.

[@TheOriginalEdFry]

I always liked to think the Spino in 3 was the first Hybrid in the Series. That was well before I knew Indominous was gonna be a plot point in Jurassic World.

[@ahahaha6228]

Technically they're all hybrids as Henry Wu's technique of "filling in the gaps" incorporates DNA from frogs, birds, lizards, etc.

[@hollowgetsuga425]

Jian Ouyang Wouldn’t that then mean the Spino Vs Rex in the movie wouldn’t really correlate with the Real life Spino Vs Rex? Hell the Spino in the movie was bipedal and and had comparatively more arm strength than the indominus rex, and its neck was tough enough to fight through a few Rex Munches. Whereas a real spino would be defeated in 1. So really the question is who would win, the genetically modified Rex or the genetically modified Spino? Although I think it could have gone either way JP3 answered that it would be the Spino.

[@darthbaggins007]

I do like the t-Rex more but the spinosaurus is still cool.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

I don't hate the spino anymore like I did back when JP3 came out, I actually think its a very interesting and cool creature. Just sad the way they handled it in that particular movie.

[@trollerstation3557]

+Klayton Fioriti the spinosaurus could murder a T-Rex in the water or on land

[@darthbaggins007]

troller station I disagree.

[@cacobeaner1379]

True

[@cacobeaner1379]

Spino could win

[@psnscreamokujo6230]

Here's a prime example on why someone hates a character Ed boone: "I hate subzero." Netherealm: "ok subzero will lose every time to scorpion."

[@Kilava1231]

spino being a quadruped has been debunked - fun fact!!!!

[@joshtatko4806]

Although the current census states that it was potentially a biped with short back legs, the quadruped theory has not been debunked. It simply isn't the most popular theory in the scientific community.

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

Via recent discoveries they have said it was almost exclusively a quadruped - fun fact!!!!!

[@joshtatko4806]

@@johnnywhitsel1583 thank you

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

@@joshtatko4806 No need to thank me. I don't even see why the Spino being a quadruped would be a bad thing? It's recent discoveries make it so damn unique and cool. But it would lose to the Rex, 99 times out of 100. No real question there. Even if it was this 'altered' Spino in JP3... the Spino's long thin neck would have been snapped the second the Rex got a hold of it. The Spino just isn't made for battling large killing machines. In all reality, if the two met, the Spino would probably try a display to protect it's meal/kill, then when that failed it would run away to avoid being hurt or killed itself. Rex is the king for a reason everyone. All the dinos that are bigger are barely bigger or are smaller framed or simply longer (due to the tail). The Rex has a body builder's body and a giant crocodile's bite force. It lost the arms through evolution because they were never used. The jaws got the work done just fine.

[@user-roninwolf1981]

@@johnnywhitsel1583 While recent discoveries does prove that Spinosaurus had longer neural spines along the tail that helped it swim better, there's really no evidence that suggests Spinosaurus was an obligate quadruped. Those carpal bones are simply not designed for weight-bearing. The small-legged appearance is due to the Spinosaurus being a chimera of various specimens.

[@csoles6446]

The two would never fight, but if they did the Rex has a powerful bite force and would snap the spinos neck

[@Jrichhhhhh]

Monkey Bombz it's legs and tail were also significantly stronger so...yeah no debate

[@yeleoh]

damn muscle gains

[@Rephical]

I may be confused about my Dino’s but Wasn’t the spino like a crocodile so wouldn’t the spino ONLY be able to win if it had a surprise attack?

[@unnamedentity5834]

Rephical Gaming totally true , because if T.Rex sees the Spinosaurus , only thing that Spinosaurus can do to survive , is running or swimming for it's life because Spinosaurus can barely damage the T.Rex.

[@The_PokeSaurus]

I was a Spinosaurus fanboy but I never, Ever thought Trex was a scavenger! And my family accused me of being a Trex lover!

[@firethylacine1976]

Marumaro Not really, carrion has the potential of transmitting disease so most predators will stay away. That is why some animals, like opossums, will play dead.

[@Huaka8907]

The rex was hunter and scavanger, the spino eat fish and hunter for meat... they arw both hunters, they are both great,

[@spinosaurusaegyptiacusfrom2894]

@@aimeejohnston7910 Trex was probably a hunter and scavenger cuz we found healing bone in spots which had Trex bite marks.

[@grandadmiralthrawn5092]

As a huge spino fan, I would be fine with the spino losing but I want it to be a close match not like how fast the fight was in jp3 and that if the spino does die, there be more then one left so that the Dino doesn’t go extinct.

[@honeyfrost3355]

What baffles me, the T rex from Jurassic Park III isnt Rexy. Why did people get so upset about the Spino defeating the Rex when it wasnt even Rexy?

[@ACrustyCount]

I am a big fan of the design of the spino from Jurassic park 3, and would enjoy a rematch, but here's the thing, I know full well that the spino would get it's shit pushed in. It isn't a mauler like the rex, it is meant to hunt fish, that's why it has that long mouth. I was a little bummed about it being a quadropedal instead of a bipedal carnivore though

[@Allen-dj9ki]

I still believe the theory that it was a hybrid and was Wu's pet project. It explains the inaccurate Spino and would explain why it acts more like Michael Myers than it does an animal.

[@GeteMachine]

How could it be hybridized considering that nothing but already physiologically similar dinosaurs are related to the Spino. It was just inaccurate because it was an outdated presumption from an incomplete skeleton.

[@butterblock6.046]

5:38 Megalodon: am I a joke to you?

[@articuno8565]

I think he meant on land but you're not wrong

[@crocodoodledoo3142]

Deinosuchus had an even stronger bite than megalodon

[@goatrex9195]

Megalodon, predator x, mosasaurus, purussaurus, sarcosuchus and deinosuchus all have stronger bites than the t rex. Dunkleosteus and livyatan also might have stronger bites than the t rex

[@KAIJUKING123]

Yah I agree but I think he was talking about land based dinos instead of water based like the Meg

[@jurassicking101.4]

Strongest bite of ALL DINOSAURS

[@wolfelovesjol4evayea]

This is my single most favourite video ever on KZbin. Such a passionate and well reasoned argument for something that is so hard to argue for passionately and in such a well reasoned way; Jurassic Park studies could and should be a degree level topic!

[@ThatGuy-bx9fs]

I liked Jurassic park 3 and the Spinosaurus

[@jagk-du3yw]

Zaesty We found the angry irrational!

[@babyyoshi3099]

+Jerry C Are you saying the other portrayals of dinosaurs were accurate? Are you forgetting the Velociraptor? The real Velociraptor was like the size of a chicken and was covered in feathers.

[@spino-tinodon1146]

Apparently this Spinosaurus in particular was actually a hybrid.

[@lukegriffin6314]

The Spino from JP3 is my favorite Dinosaur, but the T-Rex would win in real life.

[@paulsamson3384]

Untrue. A grizzly and a lion fight could go either way

[@lukegriffin6314]

It's been proven that T-Rex most likely had a much stronger bite force than any other Dinosaur. Size doesn't matter. In real life, Spinosaurus mostly ate fish and smaller Dinosaurs. It wasn't really built for fighting.

[@Charles-7]

Super Spino only on ground

[@lukegriffin6314]

But T-Rex could probably swim

[@Charles-7]

Super Spino not as fast as spino however

[@ValenXF]

From your other videos on the spino, was it winning due then to it being modified by Dr. Wu?

[@articuno8565]

To me (and I know I'm late on this) The Spinosaurus was a genetically modified classified creature similar to the Indominus Rex. Then it would make sense the T-Rex would lose. Also that specific T-Rex was probably less battle experienced then the Spino who loved hunting down Apex predators. I'd love to see another rematch.

[@AdORRsAaOo-zj7zf]

Agreed

[@jurassicking101.4]

Yeah.

[@Black_Wolf1357]

the spinosaurus in jp3 is confirmed not a hybrid similar to indominus Rex, its just genically enhanced dinosaur.

[@darkshat3077]

But you want to know something cool? How come every dinosaur except one of the strongest is “genetically modified”.

[@katieocarinaoftime1986]

I'm pretty sure it was on this channel dude was saying someone was hacking around the masrani files and found this thing Dr wu said like the mistake they left on sorna message was about genetics and stuff and testing then Billy said spinosaurus wasn't on ingens list and this one was the actual hybrid given how aggressive it was for a picsovore

[@KlaytonFioriti]

katie ocarinaoftime1986 yup! Just made the video yesterday! 👍

[@katieocarinaoftime1986]

Yeah sounded pretty legit to me

[@JaydenDimaio]

I like that much better, the idea that it wasn't a spinosaurus but a spino hybrid with a Rex or a raptor or something. Makes the whole film much better

[@traceursebas]

---BEGIN LOG--- OWNER: WU, HENRY DATE: 02/20/2003 1410 CST SUBJECT: RUFFLED FEATHERS NOTES: I'M CALLING THIS THE 'COMMON COLD OF GENETICS'. WE CAN'T CURE THIS ONE SOON I'M SURE. BECAUSE WE'RE ACTIVELY MANIPULATING AND MUTATING THE ANIMALS' GENES, ADDING FROG, BIRD AND RE PTILE DNA, WE CREATE WHAT IS KNOWN AS 'NULL ALLELE'. THE DINOSAURS CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT SOMETH ING ADDED TO THEIR CODE SO FOR NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH SCALES. MAYBE MY RESEARCH INTO GENE SPLIC ING WILL UNEARTH THIS PROBLEM, IT CERTAINLY PROVED ITS LIMITLESS CAPABILITIES WITH THAT ACCID ENT WE LEFT ON SORNA. ---END LOG---

[@Raptor_Jesus.]

I get that the films want to be scientifically accurate...but they fucked too much with the raptor.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Somewhat...thats actually the topic of a video that might be out this week. As far as the naming goes, the novel explains why they call it Velociraptor instead of Deinonychus...but they still don't have feathers and the whole intelligence thing is made up. Its odd when comparing the books to the films and the material as a whole to actual science. They get so many things right...and than undo it sometimes with sequels or retcons. They started to give the raptors feathers in JP3 and even made them fully feathered in a later comic book storyline, but than abandoned the idea. I understand why but at the same time they can be pretty shaky when doing things by the book scientifically. Its an odd balance JP plays hahaha

[@Jocke-04]

Stewart Fraser in latin the deinonychus is a velociraptor

[@itsdre9x9]

Klayton Fioriti I may be wrong, but I believe Speilberg and company went with the name of Velociraptor, because it would be easier for fans to remember and pronounce. Whereas, people would have a stroke trying to pronounce Deinonychus, and Utahraptor just doesn't sound as dramatic as Velociraptor.

[@ElliotKeaton]

Didn't the first movie have a whole thing about how _"thanks to blah, blah, blah we now know that blah, blah, blah"_ regarding the differences between what paleontologists had discovered from fossils and what Jurassic Park's scientists had discovered from cloning? There was a line about it regarding the Dilophosaurus. "It turns out that Raptors are intelligent." isn't really that out of place, given the context.

[@sergeantassassin3425]

Technically, raptors could get that big, and the Utahraptor was slightly larger than the ones depicted on-screen. Still doesn't sound as "cool" as Velociraptor, though.

[@SierraMonstera]

I wouldnt want a rematch, if a spino gets a cameo i think it should be standalone or in an isolated scene

[@noirtheguy]

I've crated a Jurassic Park themed Discord server, come join: discord.gg/UeMBMfS

[@SuperD0077]

What game is that at the 4:35 mark?

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Ark: Survival Evolved :)

[@SuperD0077]

thanks!

[@dragonstormx]

I don't see why we need to the T-Rex and the Spinosaurus fight. We already saw Rexy fight the Indominus, a fight with a Spino can't top that. Also the trailers have thus far shown her killing a Carnatarus, probably a jab at those things be used in the Disney film Dinosaur, and the main threat of the movie they are building up is the Indoraptor. Also I don't see why that fight would hurt JP's reputation for scientific accuracy. The movies already gave Dilophosaurus a frill it didn't have in real life, based its depiction of Velociraptors around the Deinonychus, and then buffed the size up even more. That said I do feel it was stupid to kill an iconic part of the franchise and try to replace it. Especially since the T-Rexes in the earlier films, nothing about the Spinosaurus' behavior seemed believable and it just acted like a generic movie monster who attacks the main characters for no reason.

[@thejiltedoutlaw4542]

dragonstormx Carnotaurus isn't dead just saying, it was still moving and kicking.

[@phlixcarbon]

The thing is Rexy stood no chance at all against the indominus and it was pretty one sided until Rexy had help so it didn’t prove anything. On the other hand Rexy has chance against the Spinosaurus.

[@jasonvoorhees5180]

Why would Rexy killing a Carno be a “jab” at Disney’s dinosaur , that’s pretty dumb. All Disney did was decide not to use the most overrated dinosaur known to man as the antagonists and use something else

[@poetsvendetta]

Rexy had help

[@lukemager7982]

I’m just going to point this out, at 2:27 when the trex fought the giganoutosorous. The two Dino’s were basically the same size. The trex was only a little smaller. I’ll also mention that the trex was faster, smarter and stronger

[@zackerymunar3733]

I honestly thought the spino killing the Rex scene was pretty cool IMO it was something different

[@d3hybrid713]

the only reason I am subscribing because I see the true Jurassic park fan in u and I respect that

[@KlaytonFioriti]

lol Thanks man! Welcome to the Channel haha

[@d3hybrid713]

Klayton Fioriti Thanks 😁 we are all fans here no need to get personal which I kinda did oops but still just an intelligent conversation and debate

[@AzoiatheCobra]

"Alan"

[@WizardCat-ux8he]

At 4:30 you said that you answer that in your previous video(s). I'm new to the channel and I don't know what videos you are referring to. Would it be too hard to link those? Kind regards. (Oh, and it usually good to link to videos you talked in the video as a form of self-promotion and help your audience)

[@DevonReclaimed]

I love the dubstep you play in the background

[@wishbone346]

I think it'd be interesting if they retconned it to be that the spino in JP3 was actually a sort of proto-indominus rex. What I mean by that is that maybe the reason it wasn't on InGen's list is because it's actually an experimental dino. It would explain why it's so different from the real life spino, and it would sorta fix some of the glaring plotholes of the past.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

You should check out a video I did on that very topic. They kind of did retcon it as a prototype hybrid, in what they called "an accident"

[@wishbone346]

Klayton Fioriti Cool I'll have to check that one out. Been going through a lot of your videos since discovering your channel in my recommended. Gotta say I'm enjoying it. Not enough channels go into Jurassic Park/World content like this. :)

[@MikePhoenix007]

Klayton, I'm a big fan of your videos. But this just seemed a liiitle like another one of those "Team T-Rex" rants. I myself am a huuuge fan of Rexy, and the first two JP movies have been an indispensable part of my childhood, but I liked the fact that they had the guts to go on a different route for JP3. Sure, the movie wasn't anywhere near as good as the original, but the move to include an even larger theropod that can potentially defeat a Rex was quite bold and I quite liked it. They didn't do a very good job of the execution of the idea (making the Spino kill the Rex within minutes like it's nothing), but I believe it could've been quite easily plausible. Especially considering the Spino in Isla Sorna was not a normal dino but a genetically modified super-hybrid, as hinted by Henry Wu's log entry as the "accident left in Sorna". Personally I like neither the Rex nor the Spino more than the other. I'm a fan of both as they're both incredible, awe-inspiring creatures. But saying outright that the T. rex should've obviously/undoubtedly won against the Spino no-matter-what is either a bit shortsighted or a bit biased. The Jurassic World bit where Rexy breaks through the Spino skeleton was quite a cheeky move though; I loved it! And I think that leaves the scales quite well balanced between Rexy and Spino. And I'd love it to stay that way, 'cause I love them both. Would love to know what you think. Do reply if possible.

[@johnwharton7094]

I thought to myself while watching this: "what if they made the spino fight a triceratops?" Because IRL spino could've sometimes faught carcharodontosaurus, so it's used to big carnivores like tyrannosaurus, but not ceratopsians ( I'm guessing )

[@TheW1sest]

Fun fact: people still haven’t aged past the age of 7 and hate this movie because of it

[@thewartuna1627]

It would be pleasing to see a hunting pack of Allosaurus and how they would stand up to this debate. I think introducing them could up the fear factor comparable to pack hunting raptors throughout the series

[@robertpowell9982]

I wasn't as hurt by the Spino's victory over the Rex...but moreso disappointed in the little screen time the T-Rex (or any T-Rex) had overall... Apart from that (and some of the annoying characters in JP3) I didn't think the movie was that bad...

[@theyolospino7463]

Aetheri Unlike 98% Of The Fucking Planet, I Was Acctually In Awe When Spino Destroyed The Rex

[@jurassicking101.4]

Also, do you have any idea if a rematch was supposed to happen in Jurassic world where the Trex, Indominus, and Spinosaurus would all have fought each other? I think that would have been cool as long as the outcome was not the same as JP3.

[@bobthenoob5762]

That would be exciting to watch.

[@hattanalshutaifi4587]

The infamous Spinosaurus vs T. rex fight was originally intended to be much longer and more even than it ultimately was, but had to be cut short to its current length and quick end when the Spinosaurus animatronic, a newer model and more powerful than the T. rex (which was repurposed from the previous film), turned out to be much stronger than anticipated. They underestimated exactly how powerful the machine was and during the fight a swipe from it As a result, it ended up decapitating the T. rex animatronic in one swipe, damaging it beyond repair forcing the fight to be massively shortened and cut shorter than was intended

[@quintonbailey9861]

Wasnt it not full grown rex tho? Ive always been fine with a spino being able to kill a non adult rex. Hyenas can kill lion cubs doesnt make lions less dominant

[@TheBigC942]

exactly, I think that a full grown spino would have one and along with mister Horner (sort of) I think the T.rex is way more powerful in JP then it would have been.

[@TheBigC942]

In saying that the T.rex probably would have beaten the spino if the spino was accurate, which it isn't, the spino in this situation wins 100%

[@Ray-yv7kn]

Yup, I don't think the T-Rex in JP 3 is fully grown. Also, it's smaller than Rexy and the couple in The Lost World.

[@tylercripps9675]

The second the Tyrannosaurus sank its teeth into the Spinosaurs neck, 8,000-12,000 pounds of pressure, over 431,000 PSI. It wouldn't matter what animal that neck belonged to. It was dead. Windpipe would be crushed, larynx crushed, dead.

[@zebimicio5204]

It doesn't work like that. There is no records of crocodiles killing an adult wildebeest by just one bite. You T-Rex fans need chill.

[@tylercripps9675]

Aiman Imran Crocodiles don't bite with a force of over 4 tons.

[@VenomKpp]

Even if he didn't crush the windpipe just trying to get him off the neck would leave huge gashes and would just bleed out within minutes. The moment he grabbed the neck it was over no matter what happened.

[@zebimicio5204]

VenomKpp and that is no diiferent than spino slicing the rex's throat with its sharp teeth or by it's monstrous claws. You rex fanboys should really chill down on riding the creature's fame

[@zebimicio5204]

Tyler Cripps that doesn't matter since the spino is larger than the rex was. In fact in jp3 it is wayyy undersized compared.to its real life counterpart

[@N8Harris99]

I thought it was BS the spino won, but at the end of the day, it was still a pretty cool movie monster. In real life, it wouldn’t have even been a contest, T-Rex 11 times out of 10. In the movie, I’ll chalk it up to the fact the Dinosaurs are genetically altered and aren’t true 100% accurate representations of themselves.

[@depressedcavsfan]

Every picture you showed the Spinosaurus was way bigger then the T-Rex

[@joshtatko4806]

Well, it technically was, at least length and potentially weight wise, but I assume you're referring to height which is definitely embellished in media

[@CyunnyBunny]

@Ice Animations ok rex fanboy

[@JuubiL25]

@Ice Animations spinosaurus is strong it is 15 to 21 tons

[@JuubiL25]

@Ice Animations spino won GET OVER IT TREX FAN BOY

[@JuubiL25]

@Ice Animations the spino is a big dino as well as trex but that doesn't mean it's unbeatable trex fan boy GET OVER IT

[@sanjaynahar2161]

I think what irritated me was not that spino killed rexy...but the speed at which the death happened...I think the fight is less than a minute and very early on in the film. T - Rex was the main attraction in the previous two films...to undermine it like that was just rude.

[@sqcxboys5995]

I am not saying ur wrong no hate but I think jp3 was good film

[@Jocke-04]

Saso the Duck same

[@itsdre9x9]

Saso the Duck I was 6 when JP3 was released. I loved watching it along with the other two movies. I watched them almost religiously. Did the Spinosaurus annihilating the Tyrannosaurus make me irate? Yes, it did. Lol Now that I've gotten older, I just feel that the third movie was rushed. It was a production nightmare for so long, that I think they just wanted to finish the movie as quickly as possible.

[@fluidclapz-.-157]

How the hell can ur comment be a hate ?????!!?

[@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746]

Bo Lep u need to go to school

[@Shaqueefalot]

Bo Lep Im sorry Idk why you have 5 extra chromosome but im truly sorry

[@ThatoneGuy-uk6cd]

that ark gameplay was a nice choice. most people have NO IDEA that the spino was a quadruped. in fact so little know it, there is actually a mod that makes the spino walk on its normal 2 legs

[@alexadamns8115]

Its not

[@angeldust3981]

Why do i love ur videos so much?

[@SamuelJamesNary]

Based on the knowledge at the time of the Spinosaurus's stance and body, in a way, I didn't have a problem with the Spinosaur winning. As at the time it was thought to be a larger bipedal predator with longer arms and longer claws on its hands. In that, it is well within reason to guess that the Spinosaurus would have the ability to slash at the Rex with its claws and essentially drag the fight out... And scientifically there IS evidence that Spinosaurus did on occasion run into predators larger than T-Rex, though it is a relative of Allosaurus, and that it survived the encounter. In that, it is fair to provide some assumption that the Spinosaurus COULD win... The problem that Jurassic Park 3 had was the WAY in which they had the Spinosaurus win. As while the Spinosaurus is bigger than Tyrannosaurus Rex, that doesn't mean that simply being bigger means one always wins. We can see this in modern animals today, where you see wolves, at most weighing just over 100 pounds and usually only average around 80 pounds, successfully killing bison, which can weigh over 2,000 pounds. Or if one is looking specifically for one on one fights, look to Asia, where the Bengal Tiger, weighing 500+ pounds can and does kill Guar, the world's LARGEST wild cattle... or in Amur River Valley where the Siberian Tiger weighing 600+ pounds can and has at times killed Eurasian Brown Bears, which can weigh over 800 pounds. Size can be an advantage, but it is not the SOLE advantage. Yet, Jurassic Park 3 treated that fight as though the only thing that mattered was the Spinosaur's larger size. Thus the T-Rex's bite force was completely ignored... or made irrelevant, and the Spinosaurus was easily able to break the Rex's grip on it and then turn and snap the Rex's neck in a close on fight that based on what we knew on the Spinosuarus at the time... it probably WOULDN'T have engaged in. While it was thought to be bipedal at the time the movie was made, it was still thought to have longer arms when compared to other theropods and hand longer claws its hands. As such, one would think that in any confrontation, it would use its longer arms to help protect itself and its sail... not rush in close the way they had it in the movie.

[@SamuelJamesNary]

Zaesty - Bison aren't predators, true, but neither are they docile. Just because they aren't predators doesn't mean they're safe to approach. In fact, more Americans every year are KILLED by bison and cattle than are mauled by ALL of North America's predators combined. An animal that weighs a ton and with a bison's temperament is a highly powerful animal and can and often DOES fend off attacks once at full size. That does NOT stop wolves from hunting them. And the other example included the Siberian Tiger, the largest tiger in the world, periodically hunting the Eurasian Brown Bear... and while the bear isn't the largest Brown Bear (that goes to the Kodiak Brown Bear), it is STILL bigger and stronger than the Tiger. Yet, naturalists have documented cases where the Siberian Tiger has not only hunted the bear but done so successfully. That means the bear lost the engagement, despite being "bigger and stronger." And in the comparison between the Spinosaurus and Tyrannosaurus Rex, it REALLY isn't a comparison where the Spinosaurus's larger size is really that much of a factor. Yes, it's bigger, but it's not so much bigger that it dwarfs the T-Rex. It's like comparing two boxers with one weighing 240 pounds and the other weighing 249 pounds. Yes the second is bigger, and likely has more muscle mass... but it's not so much so that the first is dwarfed by the second and both would probably be in the same weight bracket. And in looking at the fossil record between the two... the movie's depiction of the Spinosaurus is inaccurate. Even for its time, the Spinosaurus was thought to be far more aquatic and an eater of fish. It was not actively hunting other dinosaurs on land. In contrast, the Tyrannosaurus was a terrestrial predator that preyed on various armored dinosaurs and ceratopsians. And that shows the major differences between the two. It gave the T-Rex its much larger and more robust teeth and a bite force that is not equaled by any other land carnivore to date. This allowed it to crush the heavy bones of the animals it ate, and this would apply even if one subscribes to the theory that T-Rex was a scavenger... though there have been Duck Billed Dinosaurs that have been found that had bite wounds that could have only been made by T-Rex and showed signs of healing, which means that the animal was attacked while alive and SURVIVED the attack... which pretty much puts a hole in the T-Rex was just a scavenger argument. And that's where the JP3 fight falls flat. A Spinosaurus's skeleton is not stronger than that of Ankylosaurus or Triceratops. In that, once the Rex gets a hold of its neck, despite the Spinosaurus's size, it is not going to be able make the Rex lose its grip just by giving a little shake that it does in the move. Its bones aren't going to stand up to a T-Rex's bite force and in such a situation... they'd be snapped, regardless of what one thinks of the Spinosaurus's size and strength. And one needs to remember that since JP3 was made, the scientific theories regarding Spinosaurus have changed. Yes, the animal is still thought to weigh more than Tyrannosaurus, but most paleontologists today think the animal was far shorter and primarily a quadruped, which a T-Rex would tower over. A Spinosaurus might be able to rear up on its hind legs, but it's long body and sail would make doing so difficult and as such the animal wouldn't do so on a regular basis.

[@oconnor6456]

@@SamuelJamesNary None of the dinosaurs in the spinosauradia family is quadroped. How do you assume that the animal evolved into a quadroped in such short notice, huh? Besides the only complete skeleton set of Spinosaurus was the one which was destroyed during WW2. According to that skeleton there is no way that animal was quadroped. The new discoveries are made by typically using mismatched bones to suit a purpose.

[@SamuelJamesNary]

@@oconnor6456 - The other relatives are also much smaller, have narrower torso in terms of the length of the shoulder to the hip, and there is enough of the skeleton to indicate that the legs are well longer than the arms. And while the first skeleton is no longer available, it should be noted that at the time, it was discovered, ALL theropods were built largely the same way, and thus Tyrannosaurus and Allosaurus were thought to be "closely" related at the time. It took a while to figure out that T Rex and A Fragilis were NOT closely related. It'd thus stand to reason that Spinosarus would have been assumed to be a just another version some existing theropod, but with a sail. And a lot of those theories didn't begin to change until after WW2 when the original Spinosaurus skeleton was burned to ash... But no, the new discoveries on Spinosaurus made years ago, when my earlier comments were made, were not made to "suit a purpose." There would be no purpose in doing so. Things could have been made in error based on the information at hand, and the scientists in question, through the result of pear review, countering later papers based on other evidence, and on new discoveries... have changed their statement that Spinosaurus was not a strict quadruped. However, they also found that there bones weren't truly "mismatched" and that Spinosaurus' ability to stand on two legs has more to do with perceived strength in its hips that would allow it to stand on two legs... but it would still have longer arms and shorter legs, which would still mean that it would not be graceful on land or anything close to what is portrayed in Jurassic Park 3.

[@oconnor6456]

@@SamuelJamesNary Not really true. The actual skeleton of Spinosaurus that Stormer found was in Egypt. The one nizam Ibrahim based his unusual alien of an animal was found in Morocco. There are two different species of Spinosaurus which Nizam and his crew intentionally ignored for their own beliefs. What I meant about mismatched bones are Nizam and his unearthed parts of bones that belonged to some animal which they concluded to be Spinosaurus because the bones were similar. There was no full skeleton sample as produced by them. Those bones could have belonged to a baby or juvenile or some other animal from the same family. Instead they simply jumped upto a conclusion, put on their new model by using their mismatched bones with the existing Spinosaurus bones and drew a false conclusion which turned the laws off evolution completely on its head. Their specific was so ridiculous that something like that could never have existed in any circumstances. Nizam said that the bony sail of the Spinosaurus served a similar purpose as that of the sail fish or Marlins. News flash, fish bones and the Spinosaurus bones have nothing in common, my man. Besides Stormer's full set of skeleton, devoid of any bones perfectly fitted for the animal to have stood up on its hind legs. I wonder how they managed to do that if its legs and hips wasn't long enough to fit that posture. Aka you can't make a full set T-Rex skeleton suddenly look like an oversized duck by replacing a few bones. Likewise you can't make a duck to stand up like an ostrich by replacing a few bones. That's not how things work. These supposed new discoveries and theories as you so eloquently put has as much weight to it as the theory some scientists proposed that the Brachiosaurus was aquatic because it was too big and too heavy to move on land. Where is the proof that states that the Spinosaurus was a cold blooded animal? You just have to look at the final model proposed by Nizam and his crew to know that it's fucking bullshit. It's totally ridiculous picture. No animal ever that ever lived on this earth looked like that.

[@SamuelJamesNary]

@@oconnor6456 - The location of where something is found really proves nothing. And we can see this with modern animals... For example the Leopard, Panthera Pardus lives across Asia and Africa and has the largest extant range of any Pantherine cat. Which shows that animals can move their geographic ranges, and much of northern Africa was fairly wet in the early Cretaceous when Spinosaurus lived, so there is no real reason to say that it's going to stay in any one small area. And the fact that smaller but similarly built animals have been found in Asia and South America would indicate that Spinosaurus had to have a fairly good sized range in order to have that kind of influence. And in addition, much of what Stromer found, ALSO seems to be fairly fragmentary. Photos from 1915 do not show a complete skeleton, but various bits and pieces that would show part of the jaw and the spines, from which the animal got its name. Which would mean that a lot of what the real-life animal, as reconstructed by Stromer, would have still LOOKED more like what scientists thought theropods of the time looked like but with the clear differences that Spinosaurus had. But because that specimen was also incomplete, that does not mean that it's suddenly going to be the most "accurately" reconstructed. The newer specimens have been more complete and have largely been collected from the same area. In this, I find it highly unlikely that the bones were mismatched from other species, as there would have been a report of the find having Spinosaurus dying near or in combat with another animal. I've seen no report on anything like that being found. Thus, nothing would truly be mismatched. And while Ibrahim may have had errors in the use of the sail, but corrections and counter arguments made by Holtz have said nothing on Spinosaurus being a long-legged hunter. Holtz merely made the point that it was likely that Spinosaurus waded on the shore of a river, like a stork, and wasn't quite as aquatic as Ibrahim hypothesized. Holtz didn't change the body plan. And also keep in mind... when Dinosaurs were first found, there really wasn't anything alive on Earth that Dinosaurs really looked like either. So, arguing that new discoveries are "different" doesn't necessarily prove anything.

[@Harbardsen]

Why has literally NOBODY mentioned that fact that the animals in Jurassic Park are NOT dinosaurs? Alan Grant himself said it in the beginning of 3. "What InGen did at Jurassic Park was create genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more." ...That's why the "Velociraptors" are fucking huge. That's why the "Spinosaurus" walks on two legs and why it is more vicious and more deadly than the Rex. Literally every single thing wrong with the information given in these movies can be explained away by simply saying ..."Genetics" Personally, I feel if they went up against each other again, the Spino should win, because it's been established, not because I'm a fan of one or the other, but because I'm a fan of continuity. The Monster that they created using DNA of the Spinosaurus is more dangerous than the monster that they created using the DNA of the Tyrannosaurus. This does NOT speak in terms of what would have happened in real life. People need to learn to enjoy a fucking movie and stop bitching. Also, if you feel it's needed to justify what is the equivalent of your "home team" losing a game (Rex losing to Spino) all you need to do is look into what folks are finding in regards to Jurassic World 2. Someone found a hidden log from Dr. Wu talking about how the Spinosaurus was more than just a Spinosaurus and could quite possibly be the FIRST modified dinosaur and a precursor to the Indominous. THAT would also explain why the Spinosaurus wasn't on the list. Basically, the Spinosaurus is more deadly than Rexy because it's more than just a Spinosaurus.

[@animalia5554]

Do you think the Dino Crisis version could work for JP? I ask because my knowledge of Giganotosaurus is limited other than the fact that it is bigger and has a different hunting physique/style then the tyranno

[@danieldavis9832]

It’s just because there’s only one T-Rex worth our time and that’s Rexy.

[@jurassicking101.4]

Rexy would kill Spino.

[@danieldavis9832]

@@jurassicking101.4 duhh

[@30whacko11]

Love the video mate. When I saw JP III in the cinema at the age of 8, I can remember feeling crushed by the death of the T-Rex. I think the creators completely underestimated the popularity that the T-Rex had with the fan base and to say they wanted something new, sometimes it's better to go with what they know will work.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Jack Whalley yeah I was 7 and I get it man. As an adult the fight looks quite bad in my opinion. Really a low point for the series

[@30whacko11]

And I really do want a rematch. If this was a boxing or MMA fight, Rexy smashing through the skeleton is the call out to the Spino.

[@WillyWings98]

someone's sore for a sad excuse of a ducking t rex that can't even ducking see correctly.

[@30whacko11]

"Ducking"...now that you mention it, the Spinos jaw does look like Daffy Duck's beak after being shot

[@Xecnalxes]

Jack Whalley I thought the fight was baddass. As soon as tue T-Rex hit the floor, I said, "Holyyyy shitttt!" Different opinion than you bud. To each their own. Spinosaurus is a literal beast.

[@kptlt.phillipthomsen5973]

All I know is that movie wise The Spinosaurus was A LOT more terrifying with its roar and intelligence, that was high for a dinosaur

[@DZ-1987]

The Dudest... What about the raptor's intelligence wise?

[@kptlt.phillipthomsen5973]

This is true

[@rex-xg2un]

The Dudest yeah but I’m real life a T. rex was smarter, so...

[@jedidiah7165]

Deathly Wraith ya know t-rex’s brain in real life is about the size of a human foot? Look at your foot rn. That’s a tyrannosaurus rex’s brain. Compared to the size of their body it is absolutely tiny. Im sorry but there’s no way that T. rex was smart at all.

[@mathiashaukass3306]

The 2014 short legged spino was proved wrong in 2016. And for all t rex fanboys who say that t rex would still have destroyed the real life spino how could spinosaurus defend itself against a carnevore the same size as a t rex (charadontosaurus) And then the t Rex fanboy would mostlikely say that spinosaurus never went on land but thats a lie. Theres evidence that spinosaurus also hunted on land and layed egg on land. if spinosaurus is as useless as you t Rex fanboys make the creature seem like it would have been a free meal for the charadontosaurus. And if your still saying that t Rex super bite force would destroy spino have you looked at spinosaurus claws? There was made a documentery about them and that they could slash cardoors into peaces. Not saying one is better then the other but a equal match😉😉 60% to the t rex. Beacuse t Rex is a more developed carnevore then the charadontosaurus.

[@krog7351]

finally someone who understands commen sense

[@BungieStudios]

The fight was a cheapy copout. The fatal bite by the Rex on the Spinosaurus' neck should have killed it. If they want to kill a T-Rex, they have to respect the T-Rex as a character. Everyone has their own image of it. A lot of us believe the Rex should have held its own longer. It would have bolstered both the T-Rex and especially the Spinosaurus as characters. A stronger T-Rex makes the Spinosaurus a more scary antagonist.

[@SwrveYT]

PleaseWorkName it’s like saying “am lion will destroy an elephant” but at least once in life, the elephant can kill the lion easily

[@Black_Wolf1357]

@@BungieStudios the fight was supposed to be longer but the animatronic spinosaurus knocked the head off the animatronic trex body and that's why they had to shorten the fight.

[@poetsvendetta]

This youtuber is so biased he is acting like the rex has a stronger bite than the giganotosaurus mosasaurus and meglodon

[@Deadheadx33]

If this rematch *does* happen i want it to be Rexxy vs the Spino from 3

[@jurassicking101.4]

Yes. Rexy is a Trex that would kill Spino.

[@jakiewriteslikewhoa]

Maybe the third was my favorite because I got to see it in theaters. I remember pulling my feet up onto the seat so no dinosaurs could get me.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

lol awesome haha!

[@mcdonaldswi-fi9502]

Does anyone know if the t-rex that lost in JP3 was one of the ones from JP2

[@mansuralmutawa-9824]

It is not the same, the colour is different.

[@mcdonaldswi-fi9502]

Mansur Al Mutawa thanks, that's crazy that their was at least three on the island

[@mansuralmutawa-9824]

I think there is actually at least 4. 2 parents and baby from JP2 and the one killed by Spinosaurus in JP3.

[@mcdonaldswi-fi9502]

Mansur Al Mutawa Oh yeah I forgot about the baby too I wonder if the one that got killed was related to the 3 or maybe even some other ones. So cool to think about

[@danlamont7133]

According to John hammonds recordings 7 rexes were bred on sorna. Personally i think it was the baby rex from JP2 but its anyones guess.

[@jdrexy4459]

Some people say "It wasn't even Rexy, what's the big deal?" ........I didn't hear anybody say the Rex family in The Lost World was any less awesome or any less iconic than Rexy is. So not just Rexy is iconic, the WHOLE T-REX SPECIES IS AN ICONIC CHARACTER!!!!!! I understand that even the biggest and baddest predators don't always come out on top and that every dinosaur should get a chance, but the thing is the Rex is the MASCOT of the franchise! And constantly bullying it and abusing it just to make something else look superior is not really respecting it.

[@Black_Wolf1357]

colin trevorrow said rexy is the icon of the franchise, she's the most important trex of them all.

[@FormerlyHshjdigli]

what annoys me is that the spinosaurus' weak fish jaws killed the t rex and the trex had a strong grip on the spinosaurus' neck with a 6.5 ton bite force didn't kill it

[@Black_Wolf1357]

spino didn't kill the trex with its bite and the jp3 spino is an apex predator. The trexes bite force in Jurassic franchise are not as powerful as reality, yes still strong but not as powerful as reality since jp1.

[@mayasandioriva]

God I love tyrex and spinosaurus, then I remember there's a guy named Godzilla.

[@raver4lyfe16]

Accept Godzilla never existed lol

[@thickerconstrictor9037]

If I was them I would have had the spino run off the trex during this fight and during the river scene have a bigger grand daddy fight. Don't even show who wins. Have them light the fire which splits a line right between the dinos causing them to be separated and we see the people escape with the dinos roaring on each side of the fire. You don't make trex or spino "lose"

[@KlaytonFioriti]

That would have been more tasteful and probably more entertaining

[@ghostavenger0078]

I'm pretty sure that the lore says/implies that the spino is the precurso hybrid to the indominus, I may be wrong please correct me if I am.

[@juandiegobarrios8338]

I actually love the Spino, it's hella scary and cool!

[@geraldwood3172]

in a match between a spino and a rex they would not fight, both would have a chance of walking away with injuries in which they could not recover..... there would be no point in them fighting.

[@jorgerrivera7436]

Gerald Wood That's a pretty good point because both dinosaurs had good killing atributes. Even if one of them were to be victorious, it would die from the injuries caused by the other one.

[@theman9048]

Gerald Wood no the Rex would try to eat it.

[@geraldwood3172]

Theman where did that statement come from?

[@geraldwood3172]

Neither of them would fight, because there would be no point in fighting because both would die in the end no matter how it ended.

[@theman9048]

Gerald Wood no the Rex is an apex predator who kills large animals like spino while spino is adapted to eat fish and there is evidence that it may have been prey to the apex predator in its time. Also predator around the same size kill each other all the time just look at lion hyena videos.

[@TheUnknown-bq3eb]

I really like how in the new Jurassic world the trex gives a big old fuck you to a spinosaurus skeleton

[@shawnkirby3923]

What if part of Jurassic World 3 deals with the Spino being "wrong"? What if it was a precursor to trying to increase the performance of an animal by genetic modification?

[@unnamedentity5834]

not jusat the Spino , T.Rex is wrong too , real T.Rex had a 6,5 tons of bite force that can rip anythin's head off wiht a single bite , but JP T.Rex can't do that , I know that because both Spinosaurus and the Indominus had survived after a T.Rex bite.

[@dildojizzbaggins6969]

hey, just out of curiosity... you still go to church? if so, since you like JP so much, do you believe in evolution, or do you just see the books/movies as pure fantasy?

[@tidepods2686]

any ARK players out here

[@KiwiSpartan01]

Tide Pods yep

[@kallamsandhu2661]

Me

[@HouseClarkzonian]

What would be good is a server for Fans of JP and Dinosaurs that's more safe for other players, people can RP as Ingen Hunters and teams sent by Hammond or other outside sources working together on the Island.

[@derrabbit7289]

Rex goes down and i remember my heart slumping...the hero had just been defeated and villain was hunting the humans now uncontested

[@AllonJ]

Well I thought that the Rex that Spino killed in JP3 was super duper young, and the Spino was clearly an older and more developed creature in its prime. That's like having a 25 year old man fight an 11 year old boy. If they showcased our Rexy from JP1/Jurassic World fighting any Spino, I feel like the knowledge of Rexy being a more mature Tyrannosaurus that is closer to its prime is just enough to know that the Rex will win by default.

[@theoisoverweight6200]

Basically the spinosaurus is just an indominus Rex but has the look of a spinosaur. It’s a hybrid that pretty much just slaughters everything as the spinosaurus was a mistake and wasn’t meant to be made. But in all seriousness in a land based fight the spinosaurus wouldn’t last very long at all.