The TEKKEN Character Who Vanished - Why No One Plays Leroy In TEKKEN 8

[@Boogard]

What do you guys think about Leroy smith in this game? And which character do you want to see me cover next?

[@paytonturner1421]

I think he has the potential if they give him counters instead of parry. In my opinion, I would rather be a counter than parry an attack.

[@TeamSESH_Bones]

Jin Kazama next 🥰

[@emeritus666]

I’d like to say Leo but I understand why you wouldn’t want to.

[@ChristianAJ139]

I think you should make it about Raven as he came back in T8 with better looking moves but still no one plays him

[@gilbertguerrero2916]

Definitely raven or zafina

[@xavieramaro2661]

6:33 bruv what do u mean parrys ain't cool? deflecting ur opponents attack for me is one of the most "go fuck urself" moments in fighting games

[@coquifrog]

Hahaha, I feel parries are one of the coolest thing in the game pretty much, so yeah, I'm with you...

[@OctopusH2O]

Parries are cool asf

[@Icyfortune]

Issue is quite a few other characters have them too

[@anangryscorpion5838]

@@xavieramaro2661 parries are only cool when they are timed manually, Leroy has a bunch of built in auto parry mechanics, those kinds of parries are not cool, if you feel cool after landing an automatic built in parry then I really don't know what to tell you.

[@Awesomefile23487]

​Yep he does, but those aren't parries, Leroys main parry does have to be timed and even has blue spark version, and the follow, if you sleeping, can be blocked. So I have no idea what you're talking about EDIT: Further more almost every character in the game has an auto partry move lol ​@@anangryscorpion5838

[@nekomekoplays]

"does anyone think parries are cool?" bro, the most memorable moment in fighting game history EVO moment 37 was all about parries what are you talking about?

[@Guitar-Dog]

Yeah becuase the parry is hard. Core a gaming video in execution explains it

[@misterc9641]

Parry in sf3 is a completely different thing

[@Guitar-Dog]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4TKcpKkgMSqaaMsi=m7q3DoVmSG4969oN Core-A gaming - the effect of reducing the skill gap

[@Neogears1312]

@@Guitar-Dogbro needs a KZbinr to give him his rationale lol how pathetic.

[@Guitar-Dog]

@@Neogears1312 are you in a fighting game comment section hating on core-A gaming? How new are you to the FGC? Tekken 8 your first one fella? You’ll learn manners and respect one day

[@rangercav7189]

every game has a leroy, extremely hated in a previous game, and never played in a sequel

[@Finndagreat]

One example is Luke from street fighter

[@Nijwol707true]

Geras from Mortal Kombat basically

[@eskaliion]

​@@Finndagreatpeople love luke in 6, wdym?

[@Finndagreat]

@@eskaliion his voice actor helped make people love him more, but when SF6 first released almost everyone hated Luke

[@rangercav7189]

@@Nijwol707true I thought people play geras tho? He can still do like 50% with a single combo

[@KingJaeTV]

Well I was the only Leroy in top 128 for Evo 2024 so that goes to show how little people like him. He lacks fun things for casuals and parry is not beginner or intermediate friendly at all. He also lacks a good mid poke

[@JamesVaden-bn4jq]

I’ve actually used him at a few locals just because he’s so underrepresented in tournaments and it’s stemming down to the same weakness of not having good mids and this is a problem he’s had since this game launched . His df1 was easily his best mid poke in T7 and nerfing that particular move in T8 really gutted him massively even with the buffs he got because it just makes the rest of his movements clunky and akward

[@blazaybla22]

@@KingJaeTV Totally, the best way to have an unplayed character is to not have fun stuff for casual players but also not be strong competitively. I don’t think it’s fixable with just more buffs either. I think he needs a bit of a rework, similar to how Azucena got her identity patch. The thing is his two main defining traits in Tekken 8 are the wing chun punches and the parries and those two aspects imo don’t feel cohesive at all. I think one possible solution could be significantly increasing his ability to do chip damage outside of heat (also perhaps a grey life remover move like with Nina and Shaheen) in a way that would help him bait people into pressing so he can parry or frame trap.

[@Carlisho]

@@blazaybla22just give me cane one a round instead of once a game, problem solved.

[@maosama3695]

People like him they just dont want to play him. Like makoto in sf4 and sf3. A fan favourite for sure just from her design but rarely played by casuals because of the learning curve and play time you need. Same goes for angel in kof except for 15 and 14 She got dumbed down in modern day kof.

[@allknighter5791]

@@blazaybla22That’s smart as hell actually chip on block would be so much better for Leroy.

[@kambinn2273]

"His kit isnt as rewarding as in TK7 which focused on defense. In TK8? "glass break noise" happens often and cost you an entire round

[@andrei201086]

"Boring" because every one (even Breadman) plays Leroy as a "standard' Tekken character, not utilizing his unique and strong parry abilities. Leroy has best defense in the game but no one want to play through defense. Leroy can luanch punish plus on block moves, but no one wants to learn how to react. Leroy can parry jailing strings, but no one want to use their brain. Leroy isn't boring. the players are.

[@Caribbean-Man]

facts. hes a defense character in a game all about hyper-offense, blame harada and murray, they obviously dont know what thedyre doing...

[@alexism9656]

That's what makes me want to pick him up. I like reading and baiting my opponents so I want to see if I can use his counters appropriately

[@tedjomuljono3052]

he's tailor made for DOA players

[@fasjab]

I had one of my favorite fights online against Leroy in T8. Like you said, the Leroy player against me worked hard to bait me and would pull off some immaculate combos if I made one mistake. I lost in the final round of the 3rd set, but it was such a fun experience.

[@SanctusRexGAVIAL]

No, he's boring. Just keep Wang for fucks sake.

[@Carlisho]

Im a proud T8 Leroy main, I will never give up on him or his immaculate drip

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

You’d say he’s strong now?

[@OldManNutcakez]

That's because you are a cornball

[@IlyasNashid]

@@Pikachu-qr4yb No hes weak still

[@squirrelsinmykoolaid]

I think he'll be my sub, but mainly because I love Sugar lol

[@kingjaven13]

Thank you

[@merlin_494]

Ngl, as a Bryan main, seeing Leroy going *tektektek* on his opponents kinda make me wanna try him.

[@coquifrog]

Yeah, your free Bryan counterhits on all your strings are bologna balls. I gotta work my wing chun pretty hard to make up for all that combo damage.

[@OctopusH2O]

@@coquifrogleroy has pretty good damage with a wall

[@lorenwilliams2597]

“Free”

[@jintype2984]

@@coquifrogcry some more

[@WEST-LINE]

​​​​@@coquifrog yeah free cause you mash every time, probably lol thats why its called a counter hit. Try blocking?

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Dragunov is going to get same treatment in season 2 of Tekken 8.

[@taco_sensei]

Just like he did in T7

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

hopefully

[@___._]

I mean… Dragunov is pretty low in popularity rn. There’s more King, Jin, Kazuya, Hwo and Reina players, way more.

[@leinad2934]

@@___._ In ranked maybe, but 9 out of top 24 and 3 out of top 6 at EVO was Dragunov.

[@aldofer8832]

​@@leinad2934 pro play will always play the most broken character

[@ashleyholbird4287]

Leroy has so much sauce in 8. Hes a really solid character. But he genuinely was bad till he got those buffs.

[@phenom504]

He still got the drip though

[@dewidumortier8552]

"Do people really think parries are cool ?" *The entirety of SFIII 3S playerbase left the chat* Also I'm not entirely convinced about the "people didn't drop him because he wasn't broken" argument. The difference between T7 Leroy and the Leroy we got now is that, and anyone who've played against him then knows this, in T7 he was broken in *EVERY* conciveable way. He had an instant hellsweep, the best parry that could parry anything, the best orbital, the best buttons, the best anything. Now, since patch 1.4, he's stronger but he has to heavily rely on his machingun punches and parries, but the rest of his kit is still borderline terrible. So he doesn't feel as good as back then, and you have to put some more work to win with him. Which only fuels my conviction that people only played him for the tierlist which is a shame because I feel like he is a much more interesting character in this game. Also, one thing to note to add to that, Leroy didn't begin to lose popularity in T8, people dropped him as soon as he was nerfed in 7, so... yeah.

[@willdiesel8431]

The fact you went to SF3 and nothing else isn't the ringing endorsement you think it is. Parries amongst other things turned off many gamers to SF3 initially.

[@dewidumortier8552]

"Initially" as in, people change their minds, right ? Nobody would give a shit about 3S now if it wasn't for this mechanic or Evo moment 37. And thar game isn't new generation, people didn't like the latter for a bunch of reasons but if anything the parry in new gen doesn't work like in 3S.

[@willdiesel8431]

@dewidumortier8552 that's completely possible...in the U.S. None of the SF3 games were popular at the time but they didn't become obscure to the Japan FGC. Sort of like how UMvC3 is getting work done. Infinite was so terrible there's an ongoing project for UMvC3 to create models and add to the already impressive roster.

[@TheAnslam]

Nice video, but Yoshi didn't go from bottom to top because he was "modernised" - he came into T8 with incredibly solid tekken tools and bonkers damage, especially off of his unblockable low launcher (which was nerfed shortly after release).

[@genzo454]

Remember when he had a 100% life combo on Jack on Elegant Palace stage? lol 😂

[@smallwonder866]

The ironic thing is, Leroy is actually a very good character in T8. The players have a heard mentality, they only do what the pros do instead thinking on their own.

[@plutonash2545]

Bro lost me when he said parry's arent cool

[@m4rcin847]

Thats 3rd video I have watched on this channel and all I hear is utter bullshit. One more and I block him for good.

[@zipherfoxhound571]

@@m4rcin847 What do you expect from a channel that has to do "big exaggerate splash of texts on the thumbnail" to fish for engagement? It smells of desperation and bad takes.

[@shulymaru]

It's not chain punch / parry character, it's an extremely counter hit / timing based character, because of how incredible his move list is in ch and how you need a good timing to parry/sabaki to use him. Also the fact that you can launch thing that are not launch punishable with good amount of execution is the coolest thing ever in this game to me. In fact Leroy isn't a pick up character anymore, you need to know a lot in term of move property and combo routes/situation to make it shine, that's why nobody plays him, he requires a lot of effort to be played optimally, but even if you reach it, he is not that string enough compare on how hard you need to play. Again I'm saying optimally, he is easy to pick up, but hard to master. So to me he doesn't need a rework,he just need some nerds to show how cool he is

[@YellowFellow86]

Thanks for the video cause I think the conversation should be had. 1. People stayed loyal to Leroy in T7 because despite the adjustments he was still top tier why drop a viable character you play? 2. In regards to parrying being boring, respectfully disagree would say just different defensive play. Geese does this generally better and people like him? 3. I would say that Leroy has suffered an over-correction to his bustedness in T7. Silver lining is their is plenty of time in T8 for adjustments to make Leroy more viable. Personally would like to see him to be viable balanced/not busted. Now for suggestions to make Leroy more viable: Tweak frame data, and have more + frames on select moves. Make more of Leroy's damage outside of heat non-recoverable. Better combo consistency so combos do not drop, although might be more of an online problem? Maybe give him some good anti-pressure, either that I need to get better? Seems that I struggle when opponents go hard rushdown. Would like to be able to hermit sidestep stomp as well to add more to Leroy's mix-up's. As of now I will solo Leroy since I have no interest in anyone else at the moment. I will curious to see how they will handle Dragunov going forward, although I think he will still remain competitive regardless due to the game being offense oriented versus defensive. This also does not help Leroy from what I am told is supposed to be a defensive leaning character (I did not play him in T7 so I do not know). Thanks again for the vid and discussion.

[@BroIbrahimASL]

As a lover of Wing Chun, this REALLY hurt to hear. Thank you for your bravery.

[@ArkAynJoel]

As a newcomer to Tekken 8 who has been considering learning Leroy because I love parry mechanics and wing Chun, hearing that he better than he was at launch makes me wanna play him so much more! Great video man!

[@Boogard]

Awesome to see more people taking an intrest in him, and thanks!

[@erichthegraham]

Re: parries I think they are cool but... recently I was playing an obscure fighting game called Rumble Fish 2 (It was recently re-released but that version is extremely cursed, please play the fightcade version unless you just want a copy to play locally on console. Even just playing it local to show my friend was pretty rough because rematch was more painful than necessary, it cuts me up cuz the game itself is great). In that game, my favorite character is defensive, very focused on counters. She has 3 counters (high/mid/low) and can cancel into the other counters, meaning you can bait. One really fun thing to do with her is go high to counter a jump in, then switch low to counter the empty jump into low. My friend has never played before, but he's good at fighting games, so I was struggling to counter him correctly and was getting smoked. I ended up switching to the protagonist, who is much more aggressive, and had more luck, but it got me thinking... Playing a defensive style is really fun, but only when you are calling stuff out correctly. Once you get past a certain level, somebody who recognizes what your doing can subtly change their rhythm very slightly, to great effect. I suspect Leroy parries are in a similar situation: geek good when you land them, but then you start to wonder if it was really worth the trouble against that law player that never stopped pressing buttons. People like to trash DOA, but one thing I really liked in that game was the counter system, it really encouraged you to stagger your offense and switch things up, or else you eat a ton of damage and lose momentum. To make Leroy's parries cool they would have to lead to extreme damage or pressure, and I'm not sure anybody wants that.

[@Deltaclaw]

Leroy would be more interesting imo if he focused on wing chun punches and not so many kicks that seem generic. Make him a specialist like Steve, and with many specific parries rather than a few that cover all the bases. That's a bit of a rework tho

[@Boogard]

Actually a great idea

[@smoothsavage2870]

Wing Chun has kicking though.

[@komlat253]

I think he's saying cuz alot of Leroy bread and butter combos have kicks although wing Chung doesn't focus so much on kick ,especially like high kicks but are usually used toward the feet . Idk hard to make in a game probably although I think he doesn't look more punch focused but idk

[@kaithekittycat]

I largely agree that it's his fighting style holding him back, I think that a lot of his moves and animations just don't have the sauce others do. The rapid punches being a core part of wing chun and his identity really falls flat when stuff like Jin 1+2 feels way more satisfying and visually appealing than all of Leroy's lol

[@KyeCreates]

It's because of the camera angle of t8, t7 had it to where it felt powerful. Many moves lost their visual strength in t8.

[@geoffparsons1952]

He's a defensive character in a game based on oppressive offense. If you don't have offensive spam to battle Jin, Yoshi, Draonov, Alisa, Feng, Ling, King, Lilly's spam you will be frustrated. These annoying characters are 90 percent of the player base.

[@ssf1500-z6n]

I think this is the correct answer right here. I don't think being Wing Chun is boring at all, I think Leroy is badass as hell. My issue is I just don't want to play a character that feels this defensive and parry-intensive

[@ΚρανίΩ]

@@ssf1500-z6nhis wing chun was cool in t7 but in t8 it looks bad

[@OctopusH2O]

Yoshi has no pressure what are you talking about

[@saviormonroe-lh7oh]

Nobody plays Feng. Lol. He's no where near 90 percent of the player base. Lol

[@KyeCreates]

Ling is not common nor is her pressure spammable, you dont know what your talking about

[@Iago.Carvalho]

"Parries arent cool." Evo moment 37 : bruh you got your pills today?????? Parries are one of the most and coolest things that exists in fighting games cause they demand (sometimes perfect) precision on block your oponents.

[@ashleyholbird4287]

Id also like to point out Leroys combos are EXTREMELY finnicky. His max damage combo drops CONSTANTLY because of poor hitboxes.

[@jimmyc2358]

Leroy lacks simple/safe launchers that most other characters have access to, making him play as mostly a poke character. His parries and special counters do not allow for inventive play, they all lead to guaranteed hits and mostly just drop you into rps situations and no real advantage. The moves that get you to hermit stance are basically bad. With stances like Azecena’s and Reina’s in this game, an immobile stance that only defends against lows is really hard to use. If they buffed the sidestep from hermit stance, that would be a simple but great improvement to the character. He has unique ideas that lead to little to no advantage in a game where plus frames are more common than ever before in the series. Im trying to enjoy him, but he really feels like a T7 character in T8.

[@Fresha-Nils34]

Europe raijin Lee and bushin Lars Here, Just in my perspective i see a lot of leeroys. Not as often as jin or kazuya but Not so vanished as shown

[@kiddalmatiangawd8389]

🤔 maybe it’s because you’re in Europe and there’s a lot more player base of Leroys in Europe I am from America and I don’t see them at all actually I wonder

[@jermaineelliott2685]

Ive heard that Europe isnt driven by top tiers as America is. Perhaps thats a factor?

[@kiddalmatiangawd8389]

@@jermaineelliott2685 yea I agree when I did play tekken 7 I didn’t see many top-tier users from your players. I mostly just saw Eddy players. And bob dear God, don’t bring him back.

[@Dyleniz]

Parry is cool but its only cool if its like 3rd strike or Jins maybe even geese in t7 hearing him say PREDICTABO was so satisfying

[@coquifrog]

I've been playing Leroy a lot lately, just hit Garyu with him last night. This video was perfect and I enjoyed.

[@AndreiGonzalesDesign]

Ive been playing him for a few weeks, and the biggest gap I've noticed is his general lack of block punishment that he can use to reset the turn in his favour. His design has made him rely on parries to do that (b2 into punches, etc.), which means he has to take on the risk of getting hit (parry), whereas other characters can block punish moves and reset whose turn it, particularly those with pushback (Reina's ff2 comes to mind). Make f44 a i15f move and have 22 push back a bit more.

[@nadavzip]

Since his release i thought the design on his parries was botched. I had this cool idea about him having a parry for every specific limb move. A parry for right arm, left arm, right leg and left leg. And the rewards for a successful parry should be a big launch. That would make him a lot more difficult to play and also increase the reward for parrying correctly. Its a lot more interesting than just a simple catch-all parry that does like 35 damage flat.

[@genecist84]

That would be awesome

[@ObliviousAdobo]

Here's an idea of what they could do with Leroy's cane without it taking over his identity mostly. Idk if it was some Mandela effect but I swore T8 had buffed the cane to return next round if it hit. Even if I just completely made this up or it was a thing but they removed it I think it'd be a great idea to make Leroy's cane a 1 use per round if you hit it during said round and if the opponent blocks it you break and lose it for the entire match. Whiffing I guess they could lose it until next round but I feel that could setup and encourage more ways to play him in interesting ways as a result.

[@flaming-will5545]

It's not a buff mate, it's a fix to the bug where certain attacks that is able to counter Leroy using his cane are treated as discarded when it's not But I like your idea

[@karlvex]

Tbh i think the 2nd to last version of Leroy in T7, before his final nerf, he was in a good spot; possibly top 10 and in no way a bad character. In T8 the slow speed of some moves like his orbital, hermit, range of some moves and complete removal of some other moves in this new T8 version is what put off some of the T7 crowd. Instead of balancing around his fighting style identity, they decided to prop up a lesser version of him, probably to get rid of the "Leroy OP" stigma. It would be a shame to see such a cool looking character completely drop off the radar like countless other Tekken characters have over the years.

[@mecurialloki1980]

leroy's wing chun is not wing chuning in t8. Just soo many questions man. 1. Why lock his hellsweep in stance, if aggression is the way the game is to be played? 2. The dude does not have a proper mid and his parries are not as strong as t7. Either give a proper mid or allow leroy's main parry to be able to parry moves that break through parries and power crushes. since his main moves are slow/duckable show he has clear holes in his game, like yoshi he should have something to put a dent in opponent offense. 3. Would be cool if he got 2 uses of the cane per game or something and adjust by reducing combo damage.

[@REPHLEX94]

Calling Leroy "boring" seems ridiculous to me. He's my main in T8 and He's a lot of fun! I will play him until my actual main Armor King is back!

[@genecist84]

Yeah, not boring at all. Actually very satisfying in my opinion

[@Darkman1432]

Both Zafina and Leroy are well-designed characters that struggle in T8 since their identity is the same with previous game. The only newer T7 character that isn’t struggling is Lidia, as a dlc character the team had time to refine her usage of the heat system. Fahkumram probably won’t suffer the same fate as Leroy and Zafina. Who knows, maybe we’ll see a system overhaul in season 2 or later.

[@paytonturner1421]

I guess a lot of people don't want to learn how to play their characters or newer and easier characters were taken up the spotlight. Those are my opinions why Leroy and other characters are less used.

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Leroy is one trick pony and doesn't have much sauce. People still play Azucena and Victor because they are fun even with nerfs.

[@paytonturner1421]

@@yellowscarlightningscream8347 Don't forget easy and simple to use.

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

@@paytonturner1421 Leroy is simple character too, but nothing about him is unique or interesting like it was in Tekken 7

[@ΚρανίΩ]

@@yellowscarlightningscream8347spot on

[@redninja3056]

​@yellowscarlightningscream8347 lol that's just not true Leroy has so much unique stuff in this game people just care about what teir he's in

[@TheXell]

Among all the demons, ninjas and cyborgs, Leroy has an element of unparalleled appeal. He has a dog. And that's how I got my T8 main.

[@Boogard]

Perfect reason

[@genecist84]

Axé 🙏🏿

[@mgu-ph]

Mainly used Leroy in the first 3 months of T8. Got him to Fujin Rank. But took almost 400+ matches to get there. Its very hard to impose offensive pressure as his mids are whack. Transitions to Wing Chun on block are almost always punishable. When you and your opponent are both on low HP, any blocked Wing Chun transition will get you killed by a rage art. My suggestion for improvement is to make Wing Chun transitions optional and not mandatory for his d3, 2; df1, 4; 1,2,4; d4, 4; etc.

[@DigitalTheory.]

As a former Leroy main ( I got to TK then stopped) In my opinion his gameplay design isn't boring his kit just lacks the massive reinvention other Legacy characters got. Playing T8 Leroy is like playing T7 him with Mugen mods the same guy with SOME of the same dance moves and with one or two new whistles that only look good on paper. Everyone else in comparison feels and looks new making re-learning them a treat instead of a chore. Kazuya for example, went from barely using his devil lasers in-game to them being incorporated in his standard strings. Nina used to only use her guns in arcade endings or promotional material and now look at her Leroy doesn't get anything like that. Like you bothered giving Sugar ( his pet dog) a model why not use her in his rage arts or throws. Have her lick the opponent after the K.O screen in POV and have Leroy pull her off them or something or multiple silly win poses. Why not incorporate his cane in his moves to add some visual flair. For example, he could use his cane to launch himself during ff,3. Hell you showed him summoning black dragons from his tattoos why not expand on that. What he needs is a massive amount of new moves ( more buffs obviously ) and a COMPLETE animation overhaul but the Tekken team won't be doing that till late Tekken 8/9. I'm not wasting my breath waiting for changes Julia/Anna will be out by then and we all know Namco won't let Tekken team release DLC that's visually boring.

[@genzo454]

As someone who hated T7 Leroy but has him as a side character in T8, what would go a long way to making him feel better would be to allow him to not go into Hermit on his moves that force him into it. It's the Steve treatment, if he cancels the stance, it's much worse frame data both on hit and block (I understand that this is necessary in order to keep those punishable moves punishable), but it would make it more difficult for the opponent to discern what Leroy is going to do next.

[@timon20061995]

I wish his heat mash and rage art had more parry animation. Like the enemy keeps punching him and he just parries all and then gives a killer punch.

[@genecist84]

That would’ve been way better honestly. Or like turn the opponent into a mokujin and wail on ‘em.

[@shinabomination9857]

Man this character leroy is Super BROKEN after those buffs he can lock you down, counter punch, stun punch OMG the stun punch is so freaking fast smh. Namco needs to nerf this character bad he is secret top Tier now and no one knows because like the guy in the video says no one uses him but the ones that do OMG this character is beyond annoying and NEEDS to be Nerfed

[@ZombieRommel]

Weird take IMO. He has the best parry in the game and also a godlike sabaki heat engager. Perfect parry restores white health and gives a a guaranteed followup. He also does an insane amount of chip damage when in heat.

[@crimsonodyssey8638]

The only thing that makes Leroy's parry boring is the follow up, they should have given the player multiple options instead of a generic 1 press. His sabaki's (up-back 2, down-back 1+2, up-forward 1) are also boring because of the follow ups which could have easily been made to act like Shaheen's attack grabs (back 2 and forward-back 2) or Nina's grab mix-ups. Counter hit back 1 is a cool move but it's fairly slow and doesn't have any reach compared to Shaheen (it also doesn't cut grey health). Like another comment said he plays more like a DOA4/5 character and counters are highly varied and integral to those games (while also being flashy for some characters). He has an interesting offense/defense playstyle, unlike most other characters, but his kit is a bit shallow and definitely not flashy.

[@crystaleater2581]

It'd be cool if they gave him some new moves with the dragons that are in his rage art

[@offthesplat5863]

I got tekken 8 2 days ago and I was interested in this character he looked mad cool to me, then I looked online for combos and strategies for him, there was so little

[@VTEC313]

@05:55 That plays into my theory that Leroy, Lidia & Fahk weren't intended for Tekken 7 which is why when they launched they all had problems and were playing a different game. Leroy for T7 was supposed to be what Luke was for SFV. A statse of whats to come in the sequel. Lidia & Fahk were probably transplanted over to put longevity in T7 while covid was shutting everything down.

[@LarmarFlorian]

Fighting game logic is weird af. Especially casuals that never travel just mimicking pros choices who play for money...

[@Mr440c]

You are wrong about parries in general but relative to Leroy specifically if applies. His parries are designed in a way that a toddler can execute them. And THAT i think would be the solution. Is yo rework that frature of his. It should be more satisfying to land a reversal with the character. Not just mash b2 to win. Whenever Jin lands his parry into kankan he has to work to read the timing and identify the move he parried then execute. Not so much with Lerroy.

[@drehm1011]

I'd say it's because he's not beginner friendly. He's really a specialist character in T8 plus top players aren't using him except for ulsan if I'm not mistaken and he's using him as a secondary. All you need though is for one breakout player or top player to start doing a well with him and his popularity will rise again.

[@kodaiyoung]

Off course parries are cool, the second most cool move after command grabs. The problem is that it SUCK to do parries with him while you can get a lot more with other chars easier parries.

[@N0m0regam3rs]

The insight into usage was interesting but the reasons for why you think Leroy is "boring"........disagree. Your speech delivery? That's boring 😴

[@emeritus666]

When I picked up T8 I was interested in Leroy, as someone who practiced Wing Chun a bit myself but after hearing how bad he was I used Leo instead for my Kung-fu fix, and honestly I’m glad I did. Leo also gets the ‘boring’ label from many but I love the toolset, it’s just a shame any discussion about Leo… well, you know what happens.

[@blazaybla22]

I don’t think it’s JUST the modernizing of Yoshimitsu that made him more played. The thing is, yes, everyone complains about Tekken 8 being unga bunga, but that’s part of what can make this game (imo) a little more fun for people whether they win or lose. Yes, it’s frustrating for people who want to feel like they’re playing with extreme precision and that they’ll win purely based on skill, but those types of players are already going to play Tekken - it’s not how you draw in new players. Yoshimitsu I would argue is an example of the type of character that the “ecosystem” (for lack of a better term) in Tekken 8 has made a little more fun for people dipping their toes in Tekken because he can be wacky and weird and do fun stuff and because the game rewards aggression in general, he can still be fun regardless of how intricately you know all his stances and moves and so on. Leroy is the exact opposite. The qualities that made him broken and fun to play in Tekken 7 now do the exact opposite in the Tekken 8 ecosystem. It’s true he has less of his own identity but they’ve done “identity patches” for example for Azucena that were about more than just balancing. And I don’t see any route to giving Leroy in his current iteration a way of feeling fun to play in the ecosystem of Tekken 8. I think there are a lot of people who’d like to play him because he’s cool but just don’t find his individual strengths to be very fun OR effective in Tekken 8.

[@Boogard]

Very great points!

[@blazaybla22]

@@Boogard Thank you! And one other thing. Yes, he’s a character in a very offense-centric game whose most distinctive gameplay traits are defensive in nature. And at first that sounds like “of course he would be boring” … but honestly if they’d have really committed to that and made that his gameplay identity - THE defensive/reactive character in a rushdown focused game, almost like a character who can still play Tekken 7 *and win* - he could’ve been really interesting, a unique experience for both the person playing him and their opponent. But it just felt like they took the surface level stuff of Leroy from Tekken 7 and crammed that square peg into the round hole of Tekken 8 and it just winds up feeling like a bit of a directionless character as you said. However I think that could totally be a direction they could take him that would distinguish him, but would need a bit larger of an overhaul. Interesting to think about anyway.

[@DillonMeyer]

You'd think a parry intense, defense heavy character would be more popular in a game suffocated by rushdown every match.

[@Youthfullegend]

The thing is, defensive playstyle isn't effective in this game. Even if his is best in game, his defensive abilities are moderately weak. He can be effective against rush downs like Howarang and Steve, but characters with solid neutral, mix-ups, and overall well-rounded kits destroy Leroy's whole game. Parries, and counters can only take you so far before getting snuffed out by better tools and players with decent awareness.

[@liamroma3677]

That's exactly why he isn't popular

[@TheCaptainhowdy11]

They nerfed his defense to the ground...... which is dumb.

[@Carlisho]

@@TheCaptainhowdy11fr, Leroy should be able to parry heat smashes and rage arts

[@TheCaptainhowdy11]

@Carlisho EXACTLY. He's the master defense. He punishes sloppy players, but Harada apparently hates that.

[@psicho9217]

I've thought about picking him since launch because of the mad chip damage. I feel if someone put some serious time in with him he would be a beast due to the knowledge checks. Hard for people to know his moves if no one plays him.

[@Endogenesis0]

The character is supposed to be built around parries and rapid-fire strikes, with a primary focus on parries. However, they are just too weak. As a result, we’re playing as a clumsy character because of the Hermit stance, with awkward combos and weak parries. I wish the parry was stronger, and the Hermit stance could use a bit of rework-the attacks from the stance aren’t very satisfying, and the stance itself feels clumsy. I’m playing as this character because I really enjoy parrying.

[@AdamNeikirk-bj6ud]

I was a Wang main and was all about the parry life. I am trying out Leroy because he brings the same old man with parry energy as Wang, and because I love his dog

[@revbladez5773]

"Does anyone think parries are cool" Well as someone who is kind of infamous in his local fighting game group as the parry guy... yes.

[@brucenatelee]

I always like the "Wu-Tang Clan" concept behind his design. I guess it's just that wing chun doesn't bring much to the appeal.

[@CENTRINOaki]

Never thought I would see Kuma being played more than Leroy 😂

[@vinjingainer]

hes not broken anymore

[@animederek0392]

Soooooo, Leroy is basically "We won (Due to his buffs), but what cost?" situation here?

[@Boogard]

Pretty much haha

[@Davidb5212]

Waiting for the yoshi video :)

[@Boogard]

Coming tomorrow :)

[@supersalty_9459]

@@Boogard YOSHIMITSU NOSIES!

[@anangryscorpion5838]

@@Boogard please make sure you do a good job of impressing upon the community what an overloaded mess Yoshi is right now, I beg of thee. I can only get flashed and spun away from so much before I start to loose my mind. Not to mention the combo damage the general bullshittery and the unlockables.

[@RenTheDragon1975]

Leroy was not popular after his multiple hits from the Nerf Hammer in Tekken 7 ...... I never saw him in Ranked after the Nerfs. Imo the way the unofficial usage stats in Tekken 7 were calculated was totally flawed ..... it just looked at how many players reached certain Ranks for each character in the Leaderboards and then extrapolated how many players "must" be playing that character. The Flaw is that once an OP character is Nerfed .....Most players will drop them like a stone ...... BUT their High Ranks will still show in the Leaderboards for the life of the game. It did not show current useage but usage over the lifespan of Tekken 7. I don't understand how so many people, including you, misinterpreted these stats when we knew how they were calculated. Leroy was not a popular at the end of Tekken 7. His placement was just still warped from how busted he was at release. But I agree his Playstyle is Sooooo Boring. Zzzzzzzzzz I played him for 10 minutes in Tekken 7 and got Bored.

[@Evil_g0d]

I'm a new comer and I'm currently maining Leroy, cuz that's my favorite character

[@Stormyang4358]

To make Leroy little better in my opinion, I think tekken developers need to add some new and freshed aura by adding Master Z edge. The reason I believe is that people played Leroy because he has feel of Ip Man (Donnie yen) series. For example, people just talk their favorite scene "i saw movie of Ip Man series the other day. Do you see Ip Man beat up ten black belts." Since Leroy is in Tekken well I want to beat ten players too. That feeling made people to fantasize and feel like "hey I want to do those moves in Tekken to fight Heiachi." Leroy was inspired and developed after Ip man movies back in Tekken 7. Since Tekken 7 era is over, people are like ok well is there anything new in Tekken 8. The reason about master z is, it allows people to explore more the wing chun areas or branches. But however it's difficult because people are afraid of changing the character and feeling Leroy will lose his original focus. In the end, we end up the way Leroy is now. Dogma vs change debate. I do hope there will be some good news for future changes.

[@RodrigoMartinez-hu8wu]

Leroy needs more moves with the cane, a new Heat Smash and a new rage, make the moves more flashy and give him back the ability to parry bullets

[@cicchio5128]

There are ways to make a parry character intresting, anji mito is famous for his Fujin spam and his parry but in leroy's case i always felt like no one uses his parry's enough, his kit should be more focus on that

[@noahknight4039]

All the Leroy players probably picked up Reina instead. I used him a bit until Lidia dropped. I used her and Lars the most in Tekken 7, likely the same for 8.

[@JamesVaden-bn4jq]

I still use him and I’m still enjoying him. I’ve used him in locals and it’s pretty clear he’s not viable enough tournament wise. But since he got buffed, as far as online, He’s still fun to use and he’s still pretty viable online when he’s used wisely

[@givemeverything]

Im always Leroy main since debuted in t7 the only reason y I haven't used him is because wanted to see how other characters have changed also raven came back and stuck in elden ring dlc but I'm don'e with that and now im retutning to the king of drip P.s they also locked some of his moves behind stances t7 was more fluent Also to add Leroy in t8 to me is a character u have to know the entire roaster to apply his parry system because if u dont know ur opponents u can't really apply it in combat and lastly his hermit stance can do a auto low parry and also u can press back 2 I think to exit out of hermit for a upper mid Parry as well but again it takes character knowledge to do boring sometimes is better than having multiple things in ur head for the same situation

[@madebychikar7651]

Leroy has the slowest transition in T8. But you have Lili and Xio who can turn their back immediately after a move and still move first

[@AZAZEL_TK]

Dragunov is in the same exact predicament now. This last EVO, nothing but Dragunovs in top 6 yet I don’t hear people complaining.

[@superninja21620]

Leeroy is a good character I like having these unique martial arts represented if someone who practiced wing chun played tekken he’d love Leroy but that’s about it maybe a character specialist may pick him up and dominate but as it stands he’s just mid and not broken or cheesey

[@Bimpski]

Would love to hear what you think about Zafina. Nobody plays her and I think she is a ton of fun so I'd be very interested to learn your thoughts on why that is.

[@JRBONDABEATS]

Leroy is still a great character, the reason I say this is because I still play Tekken 7 believe it or not and lots of players on 7 are still picking Leroy. The only issue I see is that Leroy looks slow on Tekken 8. I play Leroy on 7 as well sometimes and he is super fast in movement on 7. All I can say is that me myself not having Tekken 8 is that they have to speed Leroy's movement up a notch. The only other issue is people may not have the PS5 yet or the PC version due to how much the system costs and other people just do not know how to set up the PC version of Tekken 8.

[@homersimpson5501]

I just picked him up today and find him super fun. I didn’t play him at all in tekken 7 but he’s definitely my 2nd main now

[@EvilDogProductions]

I've started maining him about a month ago, he's super fun and I'm barely scratching the surface with all his tools. I stil thinking namco missed a huge opportunity to make a more unique character with the principles of wing chun, he has way too much borrowed moves with a few "movie wing chun" moves

[@ASASID2]

I don't think it's about his looks nor his fighting style. Also I think parries are generally accepted as something extremely cool. I don't believe it's about his importance in story mode either. He definitely has more weight on the plot than Dragunov, Feng, Panda, Paul, Yoshimitsu, Bryan, Law... I got late to Tekken 7 so didn't have that much time to build hatred towards Leroy. I started as a Reina main, but definitely want to try him out.

[@HighStakesBBall]

I didn't even realize he was in the roster.

[@icession4872]

6:33 honestly despite someone saying it already I'll just add that if that was the case then Hakumen from Blazblue wouldn't be well used and heck he's honestly one of the coolest character. And even if it's off topic Parry from MGR or DMC are just the coolest things ever so your statement of it being boring just ain't it man. Not to mention parries are like nerfed on T8 iirc like the counter hit throws and correct me if I'm wrong, parries can't parry Air or airborne attacks anymore. Which is yeah defensive play ain't really rewarded as much not to mention some characters or most have like strong low attacks or have annoying low pokes so playing the mind games of parry is just hard to do. Hitting the new just frame is satisfying to see cause I don't have tekken 8 although honestly until someone can give him a chance on an tournament he'll just be a master of chip.

[@tommynguyen8164]

Woah man. I think his parries are cool. If you’ve seen the Ip Man movies, you’d know why his parries are his main gimmick

[@REPIN156]

As a Leroy main, he’s a little difficult to rank up. Even with the buffs, it’s somewhat of a struggle. Overall, he’s still solid and really fun to play.

[@coquifrog]

Yo dude, I felt the same. I just figured him out and hit Garyu, but I gonna try climb into purple with him. Try 3-3, 4-4, 3-3, 4-4 and go for lots of pokes. Our man here Leroy, dude can poke people to death so fast it's nuts. Down Back 3 into hermit, then down forward 3 - 1+2 and they eat that every single time man for 45 dmg. It's free. Leroys unite.

[@coquifrog]

If they are far away and getting up, a running 3 kick to the hip stuffs them pretty hard and has longer range than they expect. It also hits pretty hard. Pressing back 3+4 anytime they are on the ground gives them a very hard time. I have also had a lot of success with forward+2-3-4 string into hermit followed by forward+4 (cartwheel kick follow up). I don't know much nuance yet, but I understand some of his key tools. I'm still a beginner and learning, but he's fun man.

[@REPIN156]

@@coquifrog you can get definitely get into purple with those moves. Now the God ranks that’s where it stops. I’m a Tekken Emperor but I knocked back down to Bushin. They all see db 3 and it’s frustrating. I gotta use b4, b3, ss 1+2, b 1+2, etc.

[@coquifrog]

@@REPIN156 Dude... that sounds like hard work. :( Thanks for all that awesome information.

[@jermaineelliott2685]

Ive taken a break from Tekken 8 to focus on my main fighting game MK1 since the new patch. But Im definitely staying a LeRoy main. Hes one of the coolest, most stylish characters Ive ever picked up. EDIT: Granted I do think you made valid points. LeRoy does feel quite stiff compared to the rest of the case and lacks fluidity in his attacks. Which can be very tiresome very quickly.

[@dreamshooter90]

What if he had the ability to throw the dog or the dog could come jumping inn and do ground pound puppy moves, like jumping on their chest? Basically, use the dog more.

[@robertallshouse500]

I think the parries are great. Very satisfying to pull off. The chain punches are cool. But that kind of being his gimmick(decent mix ups in stance as well), made him feel very stubby to me personally. And the game is very offensive like others have said. But I do think there is potential for him, because it does feel really good to steal a turn when I’m playing with my buddies

[@tk_bravo2541]

Also, Yoshi has been under the rader since tekken 7. He got ONLY BUFFS and zero nerfs until the recent patch in t8. But now its too much

[@3riru]

Haven't watched the video yet but the reason why is because we (I mean me myself) want Wang Jinrei back

[@kablopz]

He was so bad at the beginning of the game it murdered his momentum. His parries were a huge part of what made him unique, and those aren’t great in T8, or weren’t. LS players also wanted a better update for Sugar’s animation. He had so much going for him, and they dropped the ball. He’s my favorite character in a fighting game. I named my dog after Sugar. I still play him when I play T8, and it’s nice to see him get some pro play. I hope he bounces back.

[@afrikasmith1049]

Maybe it's just me, but I think Leroy is more difficult compared to the characters I used in 7. (Paul, Dragunov and Bob to name a few.) I can't speak about 8 because I haven't played it yet, but to me it was hard to memorize all his moves, lead alone do any proper combos in 7. Leroy to me is kind of like Akuma. Sure they maybe powerful, but they just didn't work for me. Maybe it's because I've been using the same characters for so long that using another character that's new makes me feel out of place, and I think there are plenty of casuals like me who think the same way. Leroy isn't really boring to everyone, he's just in a huge pool that's crowded in terms of roster. Also Parries are very important in Tekken.

[@catioropulguento]

That's sad to hear. Him and Reina have such oldschool Tekken vibes.

[@Ricard1807o]

Despite this, I have encountered plenty of leroys in ranked. Not as much as say Dragunov, Lidia, Kazuya, Bryan but still

[@tk_bravo2541]

He was doing Tekken 8 stuff in tekken 7. Now everyone can run their offense mindlessly

[@alfredocornelio4329]

"Anyone think parries are cool?" Eh, ask Maximilian Dood, Aris etc main reasons why SF 3rd Strike is loved? "parry system. Landing a parry makes you do cool shit". And it feels good. Downside of not landing a parry is you get your world fucked up. Very risky. High risk high reward, evo moment 37 yadda yadda. Same with SF 6 now. Plenty of characters in fighting games with sabakis and reversals (used synonymously as parries)even in Tekken you got Law, Leo, Nina, Paul, Lee, Jun, Asuka, King, Azucena, Feng, Lili, Shaheen, Zafina, Steve, Raven. Hell, Raven's parry can parry literally anything, even unblockables and elbows. Except RA's.

[@florianneumann9441]

Yes - I agree. I wanted to play him a few time, but it was just boring. Somehow his wing chun just doesn’t feel exciting

[@florianneumann9441]

Disagree with the statement that using his cane more wouldn’t fit him. Wing chun has multiple weapon forms. So why not… or use his dog in combos rofl

[@Drachanae]

I absolutely enjoy the parries. My favourite thing about Leroy. HTS is kinda feel bad though.

[@epdestroyer-sm9ss]

I think Leroy is one of the coolest character in the game. honestly this character is just cool by default and he doesn't need anything to stand out his design alone is more than enough he have so much cool stuff I feel like the first importation on Tekken 8 was the reason for people not playing him if he was this good from the begging am sure he would be more popular.