The thing about Amity

[@marmalademagnus4174]

Gus is a back burner character and hes always gold. I want more of Gus eventually.

[@lazrinproject3001]

Yeah we're gonna get more Gus next season dont worry

[@haoqw]

Lazrin Project phew

[@paigless]

Good thing Dana plans on exploring his character more in season two, then! 😊

[@mabelpines8232]

He’s voiced by the same guy who voices booker in ravens home

[@haoqw]

Mabel Pines ohh so that’s why he’s familiar 2 me

[@TheBlackDemon1996]

I think Amity fell for Luz because she was the first person in a while that tried to be her friend for reasons other than her status, and actively supports her whenever she's feeling down. Plus, she keeps improving her skills with magic, something she shouldn't be able to do. Also there's what she said to her at Grom. "I'm kind of amazed with how fearless you are. You've done things I could never do."

[@frisk8632]

Agreed

[@spidergirl6730]

Also they share interest like the books they like, friends (Willow/ in Amitys case former friend), shipping, passion for magic ...

[@TheBlackDemon1996]

@@spidergirl6730 Well yeah, but I was trying to focus on reasons other than "They like the same stuff, so they're made for each other."

[@spidergirl6730]

@@TheBlackDemon1996 I just wanted to say that were are even more reasons. Many people say we just want to see a gay couple and that they have nothing in comen.

[@jamiemations12]

It's make more sense for amity to fall for luz then the other way around. Luz was trying to befriend her and see her nothing more then a friend. We see luz never blush or act crazy when she around amity.

[@f.w.d.9098]

I think Amity being flustered around Luz is more because Luz is a very affectionate person and Amity not knowing how to handle it. Amity didnt have anyone openly throwing affection at her since after she broke it off with Willow.

[@hannahtaylor7746]

That and her crush on Luz

[@allisoncvsgfsgsgfddfh]

Amity was just confirmed lesbian by dana as well as having a canon crush on Luz who is canonically bi

[@theflaminglitten-fo6jd]

I actually think that's WHY she has a crush on luz, it makes sense and I've had it happen to me as well

[@AlanJia8]

@Liza Johnson and are also mean a lot

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Liza Johnson as far as we know, they only started doing that after leaving her to die in the library. They really were bullies before then.

[@zerozeroren]

As much as i enjoy watching Amity loosing her shit over Luz (oh how i can relate to the gay panic), I'm finding myself wishing for more Eda+Luz content, the older witch teaching the young one her own unique ways of magic that she wouldn't be able to pass on otherwise, them bonding because of how unconventional they both are, Eda learning from Luz, them just spending some quality time together. Gimme the found family, gosh darn it!

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@Liza Johnson I pray that this show doesn't get taken over by shipping. The story is much too interesting.

[@aliceinwonderlust]

@@johannesseyfried7933 i agree!

[@lmaolini]

@ghostphir a Dana literally wrote that she could never write a full on romance so don't worry guys (Tbh I LOVE lumity but if the show would just go around them I'd "hate" it)

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@ghostphir a If you let the Shippers have their way, it would be all about Luz x Amity. If I want nothing but cute Couple Stuff I read Fanfictions.

[@drawnwithlove3499]

I love Lumity but I really really wanna see more of Willow and Gus. Willow is cool and honestly my favorite (she's apparently asian coded and I'm asian!) I wanna see more of Willow and Amity rebuilding their friendship. I wanna see Gus as a more fleshed out character and not just the comic relief. I wanna see more of Willow and how she became friends with Gus.

[@AlanJia8]

While I at first thought the quick development of Amity's feelings felt a little off, if you think about it, it makes sense. For most of her life she's been surrounded by people that emotionally abuse her (her parents) and people that are literal school bullies and at best her siblings who are still not the nicest people out there, and then Luz gets thrown into her life. Someone that's genuinely kind, shares an interest of hers that she finds embarassing since she would assume people would find it silly, and is also just a boatload of positivity. I think it makes sense. Personally I would have 1 or 2 more episodes showing a bit more of this process, but as it is I don't think it's illogical. Also you brought up her more reserved nature as a detriment, and I'm gonna have to disagree with that too. Not all characters need to be bursting with emotions and energy, and in fact the opposite makes perfect sense in this case. Why would someone who's probably been controlled by her parents her whole life and had to keep everything boiled up inside for so long be anything but subdued? If anything, the progress she's made has been great in so little an amount of time. I wrote a similar comment about Amity on Lily's TOH video and I'm just gonna copy that here. "While I see how Amity could seem boring and cliche, I find a lot of enjoyment out of her from the fact that she's had a pretty good redemption arc so far and her interactions with other characters are pretty great. Her actions were never that terrible or unforgivable in the first place, sign number 1 that this arc isn't going down the wormhole instantly, the show doesn't just ignore that she was a bully and 100% flips her instantly. For example in enchanting grom fright when she bumped into Luz she first yelled at her, then corrected herself. Whether you take that as an impulsive reaction she needs to fix in general or her correcting herself because it was Luz, it's still signs of a more gradual change as opposed to many other redemptions. Doesn't hurt that the reasons she became bad are believable and pretty sympathetic. Reminds me of pacifica from gravity falls. She's also absolutely adorable whenever she's talking to Luz and she's pretty god damn hilarious (ie. Telling the emperors coven poster to shut up, calling willow and Gus "and co," beating up hooty, or telling bauscha to grow the fuck up). Her attitude that was once part of her antagonisticness is now one of the most fun things about her as a protagonist too. And her past with willow is a pretty interesting thing that can be and has already been used to help willow's character and hers. Plus, I know you commented on this a little but she has a really good voice actress. So basically a hilarious, sometimes snarky, adorable character with a really good arc that I don't think will be topped any time soon as the best character of the owl house." And I know you mentioned you subjectively love Amity and you actually did bring up some of the things I mentioned, but I actually don't think that stuff counts as purely subjective and not viable as arguments for the quality of her character. They're all parts of her personality, and personality is a huge part of any character.

[@natashaa3883]

Yo this is so well put.

[@AlanJia8]

@@natashaa3883 thx :)

[@cocoabeans3251]

Well said I agree with you 👏

[@anthonyortiz350]

WOW just WOW

[@Antiikkikauppa]

Well said!!

[@7lowufoz]

its only been the first season, i believe things will get well developed later on, plus dana confirmed on a reddit AMA that the romantic thread will be developed more in S2, and she also confirmed, that no, shipping and romance will not overtake the show as a whole

[@razr-x9666]

shaquille mccray ye not that horrible trash, still mad about the SVTFOE finale...

[@heyitsdusk]

@shaquille mccray Starco was terribleee. Seeing how that was received I don't think a lot of show writers are going to try that again...at least I hope

[@nao-bo4yz]

@shaquille mccray starco had so much potential lmao. i hate that it was all basically not real

[@abs7755]

@@nao-bo4yz wydm not real? their relationship? I thought the ending for starco was okay but if someone could explain then I could get a picture of what everyone is talking about.

[@nao-bo4yz]

Alicat I not their relationship at the end but leading up to it. they were under a curse for the majority of the shows run :\

[@thisisme28]

I think it's understandable that Amity has a crush on Luz. Luz is the first one who is genuinely nice to her in a long time. Add to the fact that Amity probably doesnt know how to address her feelings to herself, let alone Luz. For now, I'm fine with gay panic and blushing. But season 2 better have more development for Amity and the Lunity relationship before I officially get aboard the ship.

[@frisk8632]

Same

[@allisoncvsgfsgsgfddfh]

Dana just confirmed that she canonically has a crush on Luz and is lesbian!

[@spidergirl6730]

Also they share interest like the books they like, friends (Willow/ in Amitys case former friend), shipping, passion for magic ... I think some people forgett about that part. She is shown to feel a bit bad about some parts of her but everytime Luz knows more of her, she likes her more. I think that is great for Amity and one of the things she and Luz gets friends so fast.

[@razr-x9666]

Also they’re both 14 it makes sense to why Amity May have a crush, this I roughly the age people start the “Feeling” around People they like a lot

[@hyena234thekids7]

Plus Amity is gonna have a major wall to climb that is her parents before her and Luz can be together.

[@Gutslove]

“Will they, won’t they” should be avoided AT ALL COSTS. I’m tired of that trope as well. LET THE CUTE WITCHES BE WHOLESOME BEFORE THE FINALE. And, oh my god, next video will be about Eda D8 Witch wife

[@mr.shepherd_1776]

Hell yeah, it’s such a waste of time. That’s why I don’t watch Miraculous because they have no intentions to make their couple cannon at all. I really hope Lumity doesn’t suffer the same fate.

[@alexiswagner5388]

@@mr.shepherd_1776 well the wroter said she wanted to make it obvious and show that they are gonna be a couple so im pretty sure it will happen before the finale

[@ShinobiPXO]

Yes, because it makes so much more sense for them to fall in love at first sight and become a fully development romantic couple over night. Neither Luz nor Amity's story is about romantic since they both need individual growth. Luz has to learn self control and Amity has to learn what real strength is. Let the cute witches keep growing.

[@shireenrazak7160]

Well i hope so, but this is Disney. They are too scared of karens.

[@Anonymous_P]

@@ShinobiPXO You do know people can just, like each other? because crushes exist? I don't remeber being all like "I should mature as to have an adult, confident and strong relationship with this person I like" when I was 14. Cause 14 year olds don't think like that, and they can learn both those things being with each other. Is it necessary? not really. Would it be absolutely wholesome and cute? heck yeah. Also having a partner doesn't derail your self growth, in some cases it can even further it, and I think Luz and Amity would be great for each others growth. (once more they can achieve this individually, but doing this being girlfriends wouldn't be different and would be great to watch).

[@As8bakwTheSage]

"I pray to the Ducktales gods that Dana won't pull a will-they-won't-they with Lumity" - My Frien, 2k20 honestly agreed

[@crystalwolfgang8230]

So... english is not my first language, could you elaborate with the "will they won't they"?

[@occasionalfan-content4771]

I don’t think storkules will be much help 💀

[@commentsgalore1549]

@@crystalwolfgang8230 It means a love story where the entirety of the love story is based on the mystery of whether or not the two will get together. This is often used for cheap drama

[@crystalwolfgang8230]

@@commentsgalore1549 oooh I see, sadly I think that's gonna happen, I mean, it´s a Disney show with non-hetero characters

[@yeetababy6139]

Seriously tho- I mean- Disney doesn’t want this to even happen and Dana is trying her best let it happen but- Disney is more powerful idk why she would pick Disney to shoot the show bc Disney is hella homophobic I feel like she could’ve picked Netflix instead

[@LilianOrchard]

"Luz is actually bi, but don't worry about it." Binary star

[@andrewmichael9201]

I finally know how it feels to have good representation

[@Noobmasterdp]

I'm bi. Somehow not caring about the representation.

[@andrewmichael9201]

Liza Johnson true

[@izzytheartist4710]

@Liza Johnson not really Luz has been shown to be Bi and Amity has been shown to be Gay

[@robkuro8564]

Please tell me...why did they make Luz Bi, when it's obvious they'll make her gay in the end?

[@ellquin939]

Honestly I feel like amity has the most potential. She now has the groundwork to be one of the most interesting characters in the show. All the writers really need to do is to build on already implied personality traits, interests, and relationships. Although she’s gotten a lot of screen time, we have an actually got to see her as her yet. Amity’s only ever shown being avoidant, reserved, or crush shy around luz so far. Even during the friendly phase, amity still downplayed her interests to luz (saying a book is “fine” when she obviously loved it). The most open we’ve seen her so far is when she was talking about her past in grudgby. So It seems like she’s just now actually changing into being transparent. All the writers really need to do is two and up or add one or two more are you established personality traits and interests. For instance, she was the captain of her grudgby team until she got overzealous and hurt people, at which point she quit. This single piece of information can be built on so much. This implies shes competitive and may have a showstopper attitude, but always puts her kindness first. We see her writing in her diary, does she write other things? She’s interested in luz, what if she picks up things that luz likes to get closer to her? Additionally we see her parents are… Not the best. This is could easily if not will play into the found family theme of the show. Hell, Dana said season two holds “parental conflict” and that “the blights like their kids to be color coordinated” so amity will definitely get development like this. There’s so many things about her that could be so easily built on and turn her into one of the best characters in the show hands down. I can already think of ways she and luz can be the perfect compliments to each other. So I don’t think amity’s a weak link just yet, I believe she’s been given the amount of screen time and groundwork for her to shine as the true her in season 2. I have even more reasons for this as well as where I think the writers could/will go for her, but to keep this brief I’ll leave it here for now. Amity is tied for my favorite character with luz so I am a bit biased, but this is what I’ve gone from looking at her objectively from my standpoint:)

[@ARCADEFLAVOR]

Holy shit

[@dylansharp8471]

Wonder how this aged?

[@riisitee]

I feel like people forget that studios also have their hands on the show when it comes to creating shows. They want to limit the lgbt+ representations for what ever dumb marketing reasons they have. And thats why the writers/producers/directors have to FIGHT to get visible lgbt+ representation and that one gay pairing at the last episode, so to dismiss it as the writers teasing the viewer would be ignorant. (Not to say that the writers/producers wouldn't tease the viewer at all with ships, had they the chance to make the show freely. It is a common trope) I just don't think "all these shows just write slow burn relationships" is a good criticism for this particular issue. Rather, critique the system behind it, limiting the creators.

[@frisk8632]

Agreed Not all shows do slow burn Examples like Renora(rwby), Flame princess x Finn(i know it didn't last but still),Mordecai x Margaret,Ash x Serena,Yugi x Anzu,Gwen x Trent (Total Drama) etc.

[@ApoIIogetic]

Frisk 863 I don't really know the last ship but the ones I know were straight ships. And while there still is straight slow burn the issue here is about lgbt ships and about how they don't really happen until the end. Sorry I don't wanna sound rude or dismissive it's still a valid point I just wanted to point that out

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Frisk 863 I recognize all but one of those pairings (never watched RWBY), and those are all hetero ships. That's why they weren't slow burns, because they weren't a pair that would anger the Karens.

[@unicorn1655]

You forget that Korra, She-Ra and Adventure time *were censored.* It wasn't will they won't they. They had to fight hard and long to get even what we've gotten in the show. The Owl House hasn't been censored at all and maybe that's why they'll be able to do a long romance in the first place.

[@QuiteRelative]

I disagree a lot with you on Amity, I find her fun and intresting, and there is nothing I love more than Lumity; but I can see that Amity has gotten quite a lot of screen time, significly more compared to the others, so I hope we'll see more of Willow and Gus, in addition to Eda and King in season 2! (Btw, I don't think Amity is gonna wanna get into the emperors coven anymore, *cough* season finale *cough* ! Also, have a little faith in Dana!) (Note: why did you relese this the day before the season finale? A lot that happens in it changes a lot that you say in this video.)

[@mattpostingcinematicuniver7920]

You and Lily planned dual uploads today didn't you. This is all one conspiracy theory from big KZbin to fill my sub box woth happiness isn't it...well its working.

[@blueberryjackson7539]

*laughs in That Lumity kiss in Through the Looking Glass Ruins*

[@nekovannox]

*LAUGHS IN KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCKING ON HOOTY'S DOOR*

[@blueberryjackson7539]

@@nekovannox yessss- my new favourite episode We uncover stuff about King's past, there's Eda content, Raine content, and LUMITY EXISTS NOW ASDFGHJKLZXCVBNM

[@knightrostark3052]

I think there are a couple of reasons why we're getting a little bit of slow burn on Amity and Luz. 1. Amity's character still isn't full developed yet. I think they should have spent AT LEAST 1 more episode of S1 where Amity is in a full-on antagonistic role before starting with her redemption arc. The most we get with Amity's backstory and her DEAL, is it were, are teases. I think this will likely be information that will connect her to the overall story with Belos, which is why Dana's holding off. Everyhting will likely make much more sense once we get to explore Amity's life more. 2. Foils. The fact that Amity's 2nd appearence was alongside Lillith is EXTREMELY important for her position in the show. Just like how Dipper and Mabel and Stan and Ford's relationships were foils of each other, the same thing is happening with Luz and Amity and Eda and Lillith. (And I'm talking about their dynamics here, BTW, not the type of relationship.) Luz and Eda: Kind, impulsive, playful and Positive free spirits that don't fit society's mold. Lillith and Amity: Reserved, insecure and goal-oritented while also seeking to gain the approval of their authority figures. These are dynamics that have to grow together. When Eda and Lillith's relationship progresses toward its desired end goal, so does Luz and Amity. The difference is that while Eda and Lillith are going towards reconciliation, Luz and Amity's end goal is a relationship. 3. From what we CAN work out from Amitys character though, her crush on Luz makes sense. Amity's individual arc revolves around her being more comfortable with being vulnerbale. She comes from a class of society that discourages "weakness." Luz may be impulsive and cause trouble, something that Amity HATES, but unlike literally EVERYONE else in her life, Luz actually opens up to her and doesn't hide anything from her. When she says something, she means it. Luz is the type of person that Amity WANTS to be, but her position in life can't allow it. Therefore, story-wise, Amity getting together with Luz will mark the point in her character arc where she herself embraces the traits that make her attracted to Luz. The fact that Amity HIDES her crush on Luz (or tries too) is evident of two things: 1. She still doesn't have the courage to open herself up yet. 2. She doesn't want to lose Luz. Luz has been the only person in her life to be friends with her FOR her, and being with her allows Amity to do things that she's always wanted to do (open up, talk about Good Witch Azura... grow as a person) and she doesn't want to lose that. Remember, despite the fact that she has gone through emotional abuse up the wazoo AND her life's dream is to join the Empereor's coven, Grom transformed into LUZ. Sure, the theme of rejection can apply to both the Emperer's coven and Luz, BUT the fact Grom transformed into Luz specifically shows that Amity is more afraid of losing Luz than she is of not joining the Emperer's Coven (which one can argue she might only want because she sees it as earning her parents' love). Dana is playing the long ball with Amity and Luz's relationship because both individual characters need to reach a certain point in their arc before they are ready for a relationship. She-Ra actually did this very well also. I want Amity and Luz to spend some time as a couple (a la Ron and Kim from Kim Possible) as much as the next Owl House fan, BUT this is something that needs to be done right, and if we have to wait for it to happen, then I'll happily be along for the ride.

[@Arrakiz666]

About the Grom thing, remember that fear is contextual. The thing Amity was most scared in the world of was rejection because at that point in time she was just about to ask Luz out. I imagine that at any other point in time her greatest fear might be different. Though probably not anymore, because now she's in full gay panic mode.

[@NFC37]

Reading this 3 years later 👌🏽

[@ketrabobetra]

i think they rush some stuff because, it is still a disney show, AND they are taking a risk with lgbtq content.. they probably trying to fit it all in before the show gets cancelled.

[@kiaraw.1436]

I may be wrong about this, but sometimes I get the feeling that Willow's bully story was just there for Amity's development. It's like the writers decided to show a character being bully, but they don't talk about that character. I mean, after "Understanding Willow" I thought one episode was going to be just Willow and Amity, questioning things about forgiving and trying to help others. Because one thing is to be bully by a jerk, and other is to be bully by a friend.

[@ISlimerNYC]

I understand that the will they or won't they thing is very annoying. But most of that is Disney's fault, not the show runners. I also want to say that there has only been one season so far, and it's only been a few episodes where Amity and Luz were showed to have a lot of chemistry and in truth, it takes a while for people to be honest with the person they have a crush on. I do get angry with the stringing along thing, but I think that we should get mad at Disney for that (especially with Adventure Time) not the creators. I know that She-Ra was Dreamworks also, but that was honestly more enemies to lovers and will they won't they only appeared in a few episodes, and we got pretty good representation with Spinnerella and Netossa, Bow's dads, and (in a different way) Double Trouble.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Arwen Browne Disney had nothing to do with Adventure Time. That was Cartoon Network.

[@ISlimerNYC]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 Yes you are correct. I am an idiot. Though that doesn't change my point and Cartoon Network is most likely still at fault for that, not the showrunners. I could be wrong, though.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

@@ISlimerNYC oh, I totally agree with that.

[@ISlimerNYC]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 Okay, thank you for pointing the Cartoon Network thing out because I would have just continued to say that Cartoon Network is part of Disney, and then I would look like an idiot to even more people. :)

[@franny.22]

Part of me hopes they give Amity a bit more personality in season 2. She feels very real in her mannerisms, but in a show with such fun personalities, she gets burried. Hell, Willow is also often the straight woman (as you said here) and she has more personality just by being the best smiley, sort of shy, coming out of her shell, nature gal since Fluttershy. I like the moments where we see Amity being a dork about books, and I hope she gets more of that and less basic voice of wisdom moments. Also, give Gus and Willow more love & attention Dana, look at their adorable dorky faces and tell me they don't deserve more.

[@Chipster321]

I suggest watching the channel It’s Rebecca Rose’s video “How to write a Bully, a look at Amity Blight”. It helps a lot with understanding Amity and why she behaves the way she does and why it does work.

[@desireeloveros1055]

I mean it works but the lack of development in everyone else is criminal

[@Chipster321]

Desiree Loveros define “everyone else”. Because I can only think of Willow and Gus for that. Willow got a little bit but not much and Gus is mainly comedy relief still. But Eda, Luz, King and Lilith all got plenty of character development. Not just Amity. Plus there’s only so many episodes in the first season. Obviously some are going to get the short stick. And they happen to be Gus and Willow (one more than the other). But that’s only two. Not “everyone else”.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Chipster321 that's the video that convinced me to start watching TOH.

[@LOSTLEAD8R]

"legend of Korra did this" No, it didn't. Largely Nick pushed back A LOT on any development of Korrasami. By all means they did all they could in the era it was in, while still balancing a cast twice the amount of the original avatar. I'm not saying Korrasami didn't need more development, it did, but it is vastly a product of it's time, and something they fought hard to have in the end and largely how we got to Amity today. Context is important to criticism.

[@hshackleton678]

Getting Luz and Amity into an actual relationship actually makes the most narrative sense for the show and, especially, Amity's character. It's been heavily suggested that Amity's Arc in season 2 will be very much based around her parents and her relationship too them (who have also been hinted as Secondary antagonists); one of the best ways to cause conflict between these two beyond "Amity begins rebelling" would be Amity dating Luz, most likely using Luz' status as a human as an allegory for homophobia. And there are a lot of signs pointing towards this - Amity herself saw being a human as a weakness in earlier episodes, meaning that's probably an opinion she gained from her parents; we known Amity's parents despise weakness in all its forms from Understanding Willow; and, whilst I love Gay Panic Amity so much, it would be ludicrous to drag such a character trait out over much more than a few episodes, or it'd quickly start to get dull. I think everything both in and out of the show is pointing towards an actual relationship - a key factor with will-they-won't-they dynamics is that the show very rarely acknowledges explicitly that either character may have feelings for the other, and the fact that Amity's crush has already been confirmed, plus everything i mentioned early, says to me that this is the real deal. I don't blame anyone for lacking optimism with these things - we have been burnt many a time before, after all - but I for one am almost certain that Lumity will become an actual relationship, my guess in early to mid season 2. But, we'll just have to wait and see!

[@marnif2592]

Can someone explain how this representation isn't,,,,, revolutionary. A bisexual main character of color who is a girl,,,, has a for sure love interest who is a girl,,,, in the first season. On a Disney show. That kids will see👉👈

[@El-bq9rk]

RIGHT?? and no subtext even. it’s clear that amity has a full blown crush on another girl.

[@eclair6910]

It blows me away that they can have it so _blatant_ in the FIRST season. Rather than dragging out vagueness for 3-4 seasons. No if only they don't do the will they won't they. And this will be my favorite show ever.

[@kylepope7850]

It isn't revolutionary because we didn't learn that Amity is gay and Luz is bi from the story itself. We learned it from Reddit posts and Twitter feeds. Anyone watching the show without the benefit of this outside input would have no reason to believe that Luz is bi or Amity is gay. And before you point out Amity crushing on Luz do remember that straight people having same-sex crushes is a normal part of sexual development. We learned that Luna from "The Loud House" is bi and is now in a gay relationship with Sam because we saw it onscreen. This is Dumbledore all over again.

[@El-bq9rk]

Kyle Pope lmfao you can clearly tell where the story is leading up to tho.. ppl will all be disappointed if lumity doesn’t become canon it’s like 99% guaranteed to already. and yea i’ve heard some straight ppl say that bs but it’s far from all of them who believe that stuff :/

[@kylepope7850]

@@El-bq9rk It's not the done deal yet. Amity just has a crush and Luz shows no signs of romantic attraction to Amity. This is not a romantic relationship. As it is, Luz spends more of her down time with Willow than she does with Amity and has openly declared Willow to be her best friend. Luz and Amity barely know each other and spend none of their free time together. As things stand at the end of season 1, there's more of a setup for a relationship between Luz and Willow. They, at least, genuinely like and care about each other. They've been friends since "I was a Teenage Abomination". Luz and Amity are just acquaintances as of this writing. Given that a solid friendship is the basis of an enduring romantic relationship, there's more happening between Luz and Willow than between Luz and Amity.

[@ColdGoldLazarus]

"Gotten this trope crammed down our throats in far more sinister and toxic cases" *Shows Catradora* ...Wut?

[@kieraseestadt6569]

something that i sincerely hope happens is that Luz does try and treat her relationship like it's a fanfiction, and it just doesn't work. I want an arc, even if it's just for an episode, that teaches luz that only some aspects of the boiling ilses are fantasy

[@oscaval5649]

you managed to bash my favorite character and ship both at once and i actually enjoyed the video, good job, you earned a sub

[@charmdeviant2822]

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[@mikailaturkleson7472]

Inspiringly firey? That is a first ^///^

[@charmdeviant2822]

@@mikailaturkleson7472 It should not be! You have such a casual spunk and word your arguments so fluidly!! I am absolutely taking notes ^.^

[@skateboardingwaters7251]

The fact that willow and Gus don’t get as much screen time is because most shows wait till the second season or last season to rashly develop the bully character. The owl house is if little witch academia S 2 ca,e first then season 1 (character development wise). The show is being written with events that usually happen later that are now first. To me I think it just stirs up an unconscious reaction of “but what about her best friends?!”. Which is understandable however Amity is a very complex but scarily real character which is an amazing feat on its own

[@Maplie]

I can confirm that the "will they, won't they" trope is so toxic. My friend's been absolutely OBSESSED with a "will they, won't they" couple in a certain video game series and it's not been good for her health because she's basing her entire mental health on the stability of a relationship that hasn't even happened yet and probably won't even get any more "carrot on the stick" content for YEARS.

[@bgvo4373]

You’re wrong about Amity. She’s an amazing character, and I think she’ll be made into a main character next season.

[@zeriqr.3155]

look i love amity but that's their opinion and i also think she’ll be a main character next season.

[@kendramcmaster8984]

YEEEESSS

[@SunkistBlast]

instead of just telling the person they're wrong can you give evidence to back that up besides "I like her and think she's cool"

[@maketheinternetgreatagain5146]

Amity acts very real and realistic and that’s why she can seem dull compared to the other characters but that’s what I love about her character

[@katherinegallagher1745]

It's kind of disturbing when Willow gets less character development than her back stabbing friend turned bully, especially considering she's meant to be to love interest of the main character. Like the writers think the ship is more important than Luz's best friend.

[@SonicBadass]

Willow honestly not that interesting, she simply an side character that works well with Luz and nothing more. Heck, we know very little about Willow at least Amity has been somewhat developed even if she cliché.

[@SonicBadass]

@Liza Johnson Dude, Ron was one of the worst characters in the films according to most of the fans, but I agree with you overall. But every character has more potential, even Amity.

[@brightscarecrow7326]

One of the worst in the films but one of the best in the books. They did Ron so dirty in the movies in favor of Hermione. It’s honestly painful.

[@homosoftommorow]

Yeah I find Willow to be fascinating and hope she gets more plot.

[@_Wilma_Dicfit]

@Liza Johnson Hopefully in season 2 we get more character development

[@drongobrat6471]

Okay but what if Luz rejects Amity? I'd love to see the fandom react to that.

[@Off_Screen]

i'd imagine the fandom looking like Moscow after a visit from Napoleon Bonaparte. in otherwords, its own inhabitants burning it to the ground. not saying i want that mind you.

[@Pootis-Spencer]

*The Ship War: Part II*

[@Off_Screen]

@@Pootis-Spencer Star vs was only a warning shot from the shippers...

[@annahughes8272]

I think it'd be so interesting. Maybe I'm just too casual a fan but I haven't got much impression that luz feels anything more than close friendship with amity - she's that affectionate and welcoming in general not just with amity. I'd be really interested to see the show discuss the topic of rejection - it's not like lgbtq relationships are always perfect and I can imagine quite a few people would want to see how one reacts to that kind of rejection. Anyway, just my 2 cents, as I said I'm only a casual fan

[@butterflybeehive8345]

I'd be crying in agony and laughing at the hilarity, at the same time.

[@faeshyye6193]

i actually kinda like the idea that despite luz ruining literally everything, amity still likes her. luz is like the antithesis of amity’s entire “perfect” life, which is why i think amity is so drawn to her

[@Bee-jc1fn]

Let’s hope they focus more on the other side characters in season 2

[@Squidward4567]

Oh... they will ;)

[@tobymyers8755]

I don’t know if you respond to comments but I was wondering what you’re pronouns are? I mean this in the most respectful way possible, I just don’t want to assume and be wrong.

[@mikailaturkleson7472]

She/Her

[@tobymyers8755]

Mikaila Turkleson thank you!

[@DropDeadThenDance]

What if... Lumity is a fake out? Like they get together, but Luz realizes that they are actually not a good match, they're dating because they both like fantasy and the tropes associated with it, and Luz has to break up with Amity- as an added bonus, we could see how these characters deal with and process the break up... Just a thought

[@mikailaturkleson7472]

That sounds like a fake out for the sake of having a fake out. And that isn't satisfying. Shows these days will be subverting expectations just to try and be different and TOH is notable and enjoyable because they don't do that. It's not trying to be a show about lore and twists, it's trying to be fun and endearing. The one thing I want this show to do differently is let these two get together in a timely matter. Having one gay relationship in the show that doesn't work out ISN'T what I'm asking for.

[@DropDeadThenDance]

@@mikailaturkleson7472 I mean, I agree with you 100 percent. It was just a thought, I've been burned by a seemingly good show before, but fingers crossed 💜

[@ventusxzephyr13]

Unless this is all a slow burn for an enemies to friends to enemies again due to a betrayal

[@ellusivegman]

I think Amity went from bully to friend waaaaay too quickly.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Blan Blazbo I'm actually not surprised by it, once context from later episodes was applied. Amity's parents are abusive narcissists that forced her to abandon her best friend because they thought it hurt their social standing, her siblings are bullies that are (the way they're acting) only being nice to her because they feel obligated to, and her two most prominent "friends" were a toxic bully and her spineless sidekick. Luz is probably the first person to be genuinely nice to her, no matter how much Amity tried to push her away, in years, so it makes sense (to me, at least) that she'd switch that quickly once she realized that Luz had no angle or ulterior motive.

[@kickerkirby6918]

I went from the thing about eda to the thing about luz and I'm here now

[@CreamyMilk3]

The owl house is just gay up, my favorite show of all time. No anime or cartoon, Ect. Will beat this in my opinion.

[@sofiaurdiales1729]

I agree

[@TheGamingKidNetwork]

I like that you brought up how Willow and Gus haven’t gotten that much focus and how part of that is due how much focus Amity has gotten in some episodes. As I don’t think that’s talked about enough

[@Holly-khore-levina]

There is a part of me that wishes that instead of Lumity we could get Luz x Amity x Willow (it’s cute and would let us get some more Willow development, even if as part of a shared relationship). That one does seem doubtful though- while the past few years have warmed up to the idea of gay characters in kid’s shows the same cannot be said for non-monogamous relationships.

[@ЗояКалайджиева]

Do you really expect anything like that? In Disney? Dana had to fight just to show that Amity has a crush on Luz.

[@kingdmind]

Book 2 has been building up with Lumity incredibly well💜

[@SolarSeaSlug]

Me, watching this after episode 6 of season 2, knowing that a lot of these issues are remedied in season 2

[@Budding_Petunia]

( kinda spoilers for S2 EP5) “until i’m screaming at my screen ‘kiss her you fool!’” me after watching the new episode: hah this aged well

[@angelicafrio5274]

What a refreshing POV on Amity! It’s definitely true that the fandom can be obsessed with shipping and overlook other nuances, but that’s a given with any ship tbh. For amity, i love the fact she wasn’t kept as “The Bully” for too long, but her being bland wasnt something that crossed my mind. I never thought to think about a character as far as how well they entertain me, either. That’s interesting! I definitely think something is going to be revealed with her parents and they’re gonna take on a villain role in s2. Hopefully this will give us more insight into the family and puts amity in a position to side with luz. Another aspect of amity i think should be mentioned is her rashness. That’s a flaw from her “bully” phase that wasn’t resolved as soon as she made amends, which was nice. She still beat up hooty and burned Willow’s memory, and i like that they still show that even though she’s redeemed. You make a good point about the will they/wont they trope in other shows(korra, adventure time, she ra) and i’m pretty sure that was largely due to CEOs/networks being homophobic so what can you really do :( , except in she ras case i guess. But that show’s whole arc centered around the romance so it made sense i think. If lumity does become canon before the series end, i’ll sure come back and watch it to see that slice of life/domesticity you get with confirmed couples! I’d enjoy it even more so than amity’s gay panics, maybe!! Hopefully other people would too. Anyway great video, it’s always so nice to see opposing viewpoints and genuine criticisms. Love it!💚✨

[@allurajane4979]

there is a difference between a "will they won't they" and a slowburn fam

[@Arrakiz666]

Yes, right now it's a "will they won't they", it starts being a "slowburn" when the relationship actually _starts._

[@anni3805]

As we now know, amity is making some “bold moves” in season 2 so pray that develops 🥲

[@anni3805]

UPDATE: IT DID

[@shireenrazak7160]

Tbh, I never love people who only, I mean only watch a show because of a ship and don't try to watch the show.

[@fawnstrickland5294]

First video I've watched of yours. This is spectacular. Keep it up!

[@NotAHamster]

Dunno if they'll bring it up in Season 2, but knowing what's happened in Season 1, I hope so. In a Reddit AMA, The creator confirmed Luz was Bi, and Amity was Lesbian, and said they wanted to do more with the relationship. But she also said she wanted to focus on the characters more then the world, so hopefully we see Luz, Amity, Willow, Gus,King,Lilith and Eda interact more

[@olirolypoly]

"give us some money" i might, but ONLY because you asked so nicely.

[@eclair6910]

Actually the fact that this show has VERY _blatant_ gay characters in its _first_ season, rather than dragging out vagueness for three seasons. Is honestly better than a lot of other shows with lgbtqia+ elements to come out in the last decade.

[@mazin9814]

I don’t blame the other shows. Cartoons are waaay more tolerant of gay stuff now.

[@RAF_7]

I politely disagree with most of the things you've said about amity here. I think of amity as the shows way to reach wider audiences and I believe in that sense they were beyond successful. I only started watching this show because Ive heard of lumity and I know so many people and almost the entirety of tumblr is head over heels for amity. If she weren't in the owl house the way she is, this show would still be good to me, but I wouldn't bother waiting for the rest of it. Her plot points are amazing to me personally and I just absolutely love everything about her. I understand where you are coming from, but objectively I do not believe she is the weakest link, I think she is almost one of the strongest ones.

[@cecijayx]

i love this. i love amity and i know she could be written so much better but it is refreshing seeing the mean bully character grow to care for luz and her friends. willow and gus do need more screen time and are sorely pushed to the wayside. one thing i do wanna say is that shows like korra, adventure time, and she-ra get a lot of flack for only having the main sapphic pairing confirmed in the final episode. i get why, people dislike the “will they, won’t they” trope and we need decent representation of what a sapphic relationship is. however, we need to remember that a lot of these shows air in countries where they would censor or otherwise not air those episodes due to homophobic ideals. it’s about losing money for the network and that’s why creators (say rebecca sugar) need to fight for the right to portray these stories. it’s very hard to get through to a company when money is on the line. say what you will about the legend of korra, it did a lot more for representation than it is often credited.

[@LunarSage69]

Ok I think i missed some episodes because one episode amity was literally bullying luz and friends and the next one I watched she was crushing hard on luz. Though the show does go like 1000 miles an hour so I wasn’t surprised.

[@nanusantos1696]

The problem with Amity seems to be where the show places her at the beginning. She's clearly meant to be an important character, and the show takes a lot of time developing her dynamic with Luz, and some parts of her character. The thing is, the show has to spend so much time building Amity up from bully to love interest, that there's no place left for us to get a closer look at her, and for her to be further developed in an individual sence. Now that we know her background, and her dynamic with Luz is in a stable place, we can *hopefully* start to fully explore her.

[@Karomix3]

Well you know how love works, it doesn't make sense at all sometimes. Luz kept accidently screwing things up in the beginning but she never was actually fully mean spirited about any of it and heck she even tried to prevent Ed and Em to humiliate her, and when Luz actually tries to make a sincere effort and gesture without being annoying about it that's when Amity started to warm up to her, and later got a crush on her and of course now she deals with her first crush so it's portrayed cutely, but she's also recently started to treat people better, so there's also that too. And let's not forget that maybe in the end they will be separated forever, Luz could return to the human world without ever being able to come back to the Boiling Isles and Amity would be staying to the Boiling Isles so there's that too. Fortunatly season 3 is said to be the finale season with 3 long episodes of 44 minutes so we'll quickly know how it all ends. But really I suggest you don't look too much into how people can fall in love so fast with people they used to hate, look at Miraculous Ladybug, Marinette spends the second episode of Origins to hate Adrien, but the moment he explains the misunderstanding and gives her an umbrella she falls for him right there and there despite hating his guts a minute ago, just because of how kind he was. So here I'm not surprised with Amity and Luz.

[@walterobrien8045]

Yknow what would be great from the inevitable Lumity kiss? Luz or Amity straight up asking for consent to kiss the other. Maybe even continue this shows trend of walking straight up to dumb tropes and then going “this shit sucks” by having Luz or Amity ACTUALLY SAY that maybe this isn’t as dramatic but they want the other to feel comfortable, only for the other to insist that Consent is pretty heckin’ cool.

[@alessandromieli7321]

I discovered this channel through Lily, pretty awesome video(s)! I really hope this specific plot doesn't drag, but honestly since Amity pining was pretty explicit, unlike many other cases where the pining was hidden under dumb obfuscating terms, I'm willing to give Dana the benefit of the doubt. Like, come on, this show has a decently fast pacing and they wouldn't drag a plot this important for more than 1 other season...I hope. On a side note pretty awesome outro.

[@windstar120025]

This is interesting because from my point of view Amity is one of the least Bland characters fo the show. She is a character that constantly incites an understanding of her in the previous episode by understanding what the newest episode brings to her character. When approaching Amity, every new episode always brought nuance to the understanding of her in the previous. Starting from her first appearance, she is the bully character, who is the top of the school, and a sore loser. Her first appearance leaves what is to be a bad taste and an "understanding" of the type of character she is, but by the time you watch her second appearance, the nuance behind this "understanding' ultimately shifts. In her second appearance, she is shown, at first, as the same character as before, BUT this changes by the end of the episode, and it all starts with the cheating. Up till now, we had only seen Amity as a stuck up bully who wants nothing more than to succeed, however, we are shown that she does in fact value the merit of success, through her legitimate anger at the idea of Luz "cheating" and the fear of disgrace from Lilith's deceit. She is worried about the image it reflects about her to what she perceives as her future. The success, winning the dual, meant nothing if it reflects poorly on her achievements, a standard we see she holds to others as proven by her anger and distrust of Luz immediately after the "Cheating" happens. But the best part of this is it creates an understanding of Amity's actions in her appearance prior. Amity though still bullying Willow, pressures her to keep trying and then MAYBE she will succeed. Instead of telling Willow not to bother she still holds Willow to the principle that if she keeps trying she is bound to succeed to a degree and for her to find solace in that, her telling others to find value in earning their success's, still a shity way of saying it tho. Additionally, we see that it applies to herself tremendously when her badge for TopStudent is taken. Amity with bully logic and commonsense KNOWS that Willow is being dishonest with her achievements, which we learn in "Conventions" Amity's second appearance, is something Amity is appalled by. Willow's dishonesty directly infringes on Amity's personal achievements, inciting the understanding to her "overeaction" being less from pettiness but more a desperate defense to a legitimate attack on the value she holds in her own achievements. And for Amity, she is lucky enough for the process to repeat itself constantly. Every new episode makes us look back and reflect on what we have learned about her onto the actions she has made befor, allowing us to not just see the change in character but understand where she was as a character before she changes. Its why she has been one of the best characters in the show so far. Her development is one best explored by the circling back needed for each new piece of her character.

[@Polyoctopus1]

At first I was going to disagree with you but then watching the video more I really agree with you yeah Willow and Gus deserve way more screen time and hopefully they will get that in season two I think the lumity vibe really blinded me from some of the owl houses faults. Awesome video bro

[@mikailaturkleson7472]

Not a bro, but thanks ^^

[@Polyoctopus1]

Mikaila Turkleson I’m sorry my bad

[@WafflesX3XD]

i’d love to see you do a ROTTMNT video retrospective sort of thing, it’s a favourite of mine too, and there hasn’t been enough coverage of why the show’s so good :o

[@ernestcole1435]

Also let's not forget this is the first season, and I think Amity will become more of a rounded and not "Love interest" Character and grow more into her own, and Willow and Gus getting more development but yes I do agree Lumity needs to get together and stay together and maybe even breakup at some point but get back together. It's the first season and yes with the fast pacing I just hope this doesn't go the evil way of the will they won't they pile. Sadly...let's not forget this is Disney

[@AnnaHMariucci]

I was willing to listen to the argument, although I disagree, until the “will they won’t they” part. Dude, this has been stablished/explored for 2 episodes only. A little faith will get you a long way in life. I prefer to trust and be disappointed then make a hasty comment like that. There’s no evidence that that’s what’s going to happen at all. In fact, I’m not even sure Luz LIKES Amity yet. If it takes her a season to figure it out, then it will. Trust the creators, they might do us wrong but we don’t know that yet.

[@darkmatter9651]

you know what even this season with theories of philip wittebane being belos was dismissed in eclipse lake and you know what i love that this show takes nothing seriously and isnt afraid of dismissing such theories soon or speedrunning this show

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Really? She-Ra was ship-baiting People? I always thought it was less "Will they, won't they" and more "they definitely will, but they won't get together until the final Episode". I don't like Catradora but I always knew Noelle Stevenson would make it happen-if only so the really obsessed Shippers don't burn her House down. Lumity is one of the Owl Houses Problems for me. Don't get me wrong, I actually like the Pairing, but I find it annoying that shipping seems to be the only Thing People care about when it comes to the Owl House. Especially when the Stories of Eda dealing with her Curse, and Luz discovering Magic are much more interesting. For a long Time I thought that Amity was the most interesting Member of Luz' Circle of Friends, and you actually made me realize why I thought that: Amity has the most Episodes. Of course Willow and Gus would look pale compared to her.

[@leclecarchie9381]

"I always thought it was less 'Will they, won't they" and more 'they definitely will, but they won't get together until the final episode.'" That's just a distinction without a difference. The main issue is that these ships aren't allowed to actually BE ships until there's only 5 minutes left for the payoff. We've had this series long road of blushing and stalling that leads to 1 kiss with nearly every gay AND straight ship in cartoons for the last 20 years. It's time for something different.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@leclecarchie9381 I agree. Miraculous is especially annoying when it comes to this. We all KNOW Marinette and Adrien are the Endgame, so stop running in Circles and actually do something with them. Even Fans of the Show have become sick this. Nothing will happen between them until the very last Episode.

[@Arrakiz666]

The sad part is that people would stop obsessing over it the moment the two became a thing. Like, no joke, that's it, make the two start dating, and people just accept it as a part of the narrative.

[@leclecarchie9381]

@@johannesseyfried7933 I stopped watching Miraculous for that specific reason. I might've been fine with it if they hadn't gone out of their way to put in so many confession rug pulls. The audacity of it pretty much cancelled out the aspects of the show I actually enjoyed.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@leclecarchie9381 At this point I actually prefer Adrien and Kagami to our main ship. She doesn't have a weird obsession, can actually function around her Love Interest, and generally seems like a pretty cool character. Too bad that we didn't see more of her Superhero Form.

[@Smallsilk]

Well, from the future, luckily the will they won’t they is completely not happening, as they already have told eachother and know, so it’s only a matter of time until they are dating.

[@psalmdelizo2320]

My God !!! This person can make content!!!!!!

[@catgames703]

Tbh I think Amity's development was a bit too quick. Like, from bully to friend was a bit fast, but okay. Then Amity's blush blush akwardness came out of nowhere. I would have liked it for it to be a bit...slower.

[@deborahpinto5787]

Her character development really feels a bit rushed, but her former actions weren't REALLY bad stuff, so it is realistic that one day she is like "wait, I don't want to be this person", is not like she was a murderer. And the voice acting for Amity is just so good, so, so good

[@vex3488]

One Luzbian, one Blightsexual, one *so dang cute* relationship.

[@lensman704]

Now that the series has ended, I would love for you to re-visit your thoughts on how the arcs for Amity, Luz and Eda were handled overall!

[@anominon]

One year later: Amity canon Disney: "aaaand you're cancelled"

[@saltydinonuggies1841]

Dana said one of the biggest things shes looking forward to with s2 is developing lumity so im hoping there will be more on that.

[@papus615]

Thats the issue with having a designated "serius character" they arent beuilt as people, but as a collage of problems that dont allow for any semblence of a state of normality for a character. There isnt a "this person is like this, but when this happens she does this" just a "this happens so she is doing this".

[@gwenk903]

Great video dude. You've got my sub; looking forward to seeing more of your stuff 🖤🖤

[@mikailaturkleson7472]

Not a dude, but thanks.

[@gwenk903]

@@mikailaturkleson7472 I didn't mean it as a gender thing, I literally call everyone dude. Sorry if I offended you

[@aml5067]

The fact if their relationship doesn't develop much in the show in the next coming season I don't think its because they want to milk it, i think its mostly because the ship isn't the shows main purpose.

[@baxterjaye3984]

"Will they/won't they should be avoided at all costs" You see how little she bullshits with time in TOH? They're gonna be married w/ kids by s2 ep3.

[@jayjs4267]

I just hope they get together in season 2 instead of having to wait for the final episode of the final season

[@scottieyusuke]

You like rise respect ✊

[@prowler6435]

My issue with Amity with more that her 'redemption arc' barely existed to be generous. It was all Amity hates Luz in one episode, and now they're shipping bait next episode for some reason. It felt like either an episode or two were skipped over or Amity was originally supposed to be two completely different characters as the two Amity's have far too different personalities that changed so suddenly with no explanation.

[@adamfisher173]

I'm really glad season 2 hamered out most of the problems

[@vav90]

I'll just repeat what i read in a post. Can you people just stop shitting on other shows for giving us what they could? While i agree Korra and Asami could have gotten closer during the show, The legend of Korra was dragging itself to even be able to finish at this point. Noelle had to strategically wrap the plot around catradora so they could kiss, Gravity Falls was directly told to not show LGBT representation, and bubbline had to brust through the door along with steven universe. What makes you think it was easy to show explicit lgbt development? All of the doors that brought us to The Owl House were first opened with that dull Korrasami scene, not to mention that at first, Dana was told she couldn't put any explicit LGBT representation, she had to fight for it until they changed Disney channel's director or something, you speak as if it's as easy as making straight couples and it is just not, the bubbline kiss was even censored in some channels of my country while Korra got banned from one of them You can't demand too much from the cartoons that didn't had the support of other shows years ago like we see today, there was just so much they could do to just play it safe and not get the show cancelled or something, and now that we finally get to slowly enjoy representation, people still bitch about it, go work in the studio yourself to see if it's easy.

[@amityblight5547]

👏THANK👏YOU👏SO👏MUCH!!!!👏

[@Arrakiz666]

"You can't demand too much from the cartoons" I can, and I will. Just like these shows opened the door, we also open them with our incessant nagging. The moment we stop doing that, we lose all our gains. So I won't stop.

[@vav90]

@@Arrakiz666 Lol sorry, with demand, i meant complain too much about how the representation wasn't explicit during a show when it was something that probably couldn't happen, like "damn why didn't they kiss!!" when for example korrasami was banned in some places just for a 5 seconds hand holding scene in the very finale.

[@Parasolhyena]

@@Arrakiz666 There is a massive difference between pushing the boundaries (which I feel is like what your describing) and demanding. When demand comes to mind I personally think of the people who sent death threats to staff members (like steven universe with the lapis/peridot or peridot/amethyst drama).

[@Arrakiz666]

@@Parasolhyena It's possible to communicate your opinion without resorting to death threats.

[@catching.rainbows]

Me clicking on the video: I have a bad feeling about this

[@touko96chibichigo]

I'm sorry but this video was a little frustrating to watch... Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I wouldn't have been this bothered if it wasn't because your "objective" points and explanations were literally still subjective. No matter what you think, nobody gets to dictate what makes a character good or bad, they're there for whoever can relate to or understand them. At this point of the series, yes most are crazy about Lumity but many people find Amity interesting for reasons that go beyond her being already set as Luz's love interest, they are genuinely curious about her development, and this is coming from someone who loves Lilith, probably the most hated character at some point, so I'm not even being biased here. Annoyed about Willow not getting enough screentime/visible development so far? Also subjective, I love Willow but I personally don't find her storyline as interesting as I know Amity's could be, the show is so far from over, too, other important characters like King haven't gotten their time to shine yet. Also it seemed to me like you were reducing Dana's intentions with Lumity into some fanfic trope and bait shipping accusations in order to keep us watching. Doyou actually know how hard it is to make this "bait shipping" and "enemies to lovers" and "slow burn" happen for a, mind you, LGBT couple? On a cartoon??? Or how long it takes to develop a single episode? Fans' reception barely ever have impact on the show because these creators are just way ahead of what we get to see. As a lesbian it is a joy to see characters like Amity and Luz already being romantically implied in the most blatant, undeniable way, and I think that's really what matters about Lumity so far, Dana said herself that romance is not even the main element of the show and I believe it, so no, I don't think their intention is to use them as a carrot on a stick for us to keep watching, I think that's kind of a shallow suggestion of you. Instead, I'm happy children will see them and rest assured that feelings like Amity's towards Luz are completely normal, most likely not giving much thought about how they came to be. I feel a lot of people who overanalyze the pacing and way of progress of these shows tend to forget that while sure they're largely enjoyed by adults, they are still aimed at children, displayed in channels for mainly young audiences, so the storytelling format in some ways will always have to be more simplistic and straight to the point, subtle only if needed, even if there are lots of lore or hidden story elements that build up expectations and create templates for our adult discussions, they still have to be easy to digest, so videos like this just come across as way too nitpicky for me. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@robkuro8564]

Because writing Gay relationships isn't that hard, and Lily Orchard stated in one of her vids, and I quote: "Because we have been writing relationships,romances,dating,flirting for as long as we've been writing them all. And Gay relationships are those things, but with one other person's gender flipped." and i totally agree. And also because of past shows doing the same thing: Korra,She Ra, Adventure Time all did the same song and dance with the "Series Finale Kiss". So of course many want a gay relationship to happen early, and see it flourish.

[@touko96chibichigo]

@@robkuro8564 I'm not debating that, neither I disagree, I do totally understand that feeling, and I want the same, however, let's not forget: this is a cartoon aimed mainly at children, also by DISNEY, where romance is not even supposed to be the main element (regardless of how hyped its been). Its creators had to fight for years while developing it just so they can throw in some visible representation, just like the examples you mentioned! Please read what they have said about their own shows! It might not feel like it's enough for those who only consume them, but these are huge accomplishments! It's pretentious to asume that they're not being as mindful as they could be when it's evident, even by the things they've said themselves, that there's literally only so much they can do, and how specific they have to be when showing it, and how it's always risky. If you're choosing to make an entire video about a show you supposedly love, yet letting show how little faith you have on it, at least take the creators' own words into consideration. I do get where you're coming from, I just don't think this show deserves such harsh reception on this matter, at least not this early.

[@emeraldsky2823]

I’m currently living “will they won’t they” don’t do it to my shows too pleaaase-

[@SwordTune]

This is how Owl House's 10,000 IQ play went down: Writers: "Writing can be done on a document with brainstorming and very little technical effort, but animation takes up a bulk of the time and cost, right?" Studio: "Yes, and?" Writers: "What if we just streamlined the writing to cut out unnecessary animation to save time and money?" Studio: "My god, you're a genius."

[@SwordTune]

There needs to be a horror game where you're a home intruder running away from Hooty. Except at the end, you realize the futility of the effort and succumb to the punishment for your trespasses: tea time with Hooty.

[@tbynlogan]

From a writing stand point, is it not impressive that Amity went from a bully to a protagonist within 1 season, albeit, rushed? Moreover, wouldn't it be BORING if Amity and Luz simply just got together and kissed or something. What exciting, fun, or compelling adventures could be told if half the episode was them cuddling or calling each other nicknames? Will they won't they works because it's a non-tangible form of conflict, is it not? It acts as invisible tension that otherwise wouldn't hook the viewer. I think the best writing choice would be to reveal that Luz isn't even interested in Amity and that will give Amity ANOTHER character arc where she deals with rejection. From a writing stand point, can you imagine how much depth that would give Amity? Her parents have high standards for her, so she turns to Luz, but then Luz rejects her? Pretty neat, although cruel, but at the end of the day, Amity is a fictional character.

[@ronjoe17]

You like RotTMNT too?! Awesome! ^v^ who's your favorite turtle (Mine is Raph with Mikey being 2nd fave) and do you have a favorite episode?

[@garfieldluver3776]

Mines Michael, he's always been my favourite haha

[@zoeylong5081]

“Hope they won’t do will they, won’t they” All us future people who have seen Through the Looking Glass Ruins👀

[@Daffodillon]

_laughs in knock knock knocking on Hooty's door_

[@eelvyon9490]

i feel like i watched a different TOH than you... also a different SPOP...

[@eelvyon9490]

also none of the shows you mentioned did "ship teasing" as you called it for so long because they wanted to. all of them were highly restricted on what they could show and Noelle didn't get a green light for canon Catradora until after season 4 aired. how you describe it, it sounds a lot like queerbait which these shows (AT, TLOK, SPOP, ...) definitely did not do. so the whole premise for the second part of your video is just straight up wrong.

[@fanotastic]

I wonder if they rushed certain plots such as Amity fearing they wouldn't be renewed by the mouse.

[@indigosstabby9596]

Defending korra: the creators said they wanted to throw the ship into the show fully but Nickelodeon was... worried about a gay ship, so they left it ambiguous and continued it in the comics. Now anyway on to amity! I honestly feel like there is good plot from her, as its what the show is kinda building with her parents. I know it takes alota time but I honestly feel like the blight family itself is a whole giant plot point. I love lumity as a ship. But just that. I honestly don't want them to get together. Maybe a whole "I see you as just a friend" kinda thing?? Would lead to some interesting plot,

[@ShinobiPXO]

Yeah but executive meddling isn't real and when writers say it, they're just lying.

[@allisoncvsgfsgsgfddfh]

Aw but amity was confirmed to canonically have a crush on Luz

[@aliceinwonderlust]

Bro i’d like to see that happen too actually

[@Jo-xj2vs]

I honestly just believe Amity's crush on Luz was too rushed. They needed more moments together to really understand amity's feelings for luz.

[@Arrakiz666]

It's kind of hard to explore her feelings for Luz if they don't talk about them. Like, sure, magic is a thing, so there's definitely some kind of a plot device they could use, but in the end, unless they want to devout an entire episode to it, they kinda had to go with gay panic, story-wise it was the most explicit way of showing Amity's feelings without sacrificing the story on the altar of a ship that isn't even the main focus of the story.

[@tipsy634]

I will cry to death if they play "will they wont they"