The TRUTH about painting BLACK you probably don't want to hear! 🤫

First Installment of "Three Minutes Miniature Tuesday" and we are looking at how black exists in reality and why it makes sense to use what we can learn from that on our miniatures!
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[@anthonyshannon7559]

I'd add that in addition to reducing the black on the mini, the weathering made the armour look non-reflective (scuffed and worn) so my eyes don't read the blue patches as reflections in the way they nornally do.

[@technoartfest8708]

Real problem with producing black armor is the light reflection do not work on acrylics.. As soon the pain dry ,doesn't look metalic anymore.. Solution is simple ,to use OIL paints that simulate much better reflective surfaces.

[@motorboot2822]

Awesome! Also love the fact that a guy with a shelf of Golden Demons is able to use his own work to point out mistakes. Your humbleness is equally as impressive as your skills.

[@connorcress6471]

Before I watched this video I figured you were probably going to talk about the brown weathering. It really seemed like you did everything right like you normally would, but the rust spots just covered the darker areas, so as to not allow for the dynamic color range that it normally would have. Cool video I learned something

[@Consti1848]

I really enjoy these small appetizer videos!

[@AoSCoach]

Fascinating look into black despite only being 3 minutes. Hopefully you do more of these 3 minute vids

[@scottspalding3360]

Please do more of these. Sometimes (like now) I'm looking for a specific answer to a specific question and don't want to sift through a 30m video for a short answer.

[@scrumptiousbutternut6129]

The mock up (especially the helmet which is the area I thought looked most blue) immediately reads as black to me so I think your analysis of why the weathering sabotaged the black effect is dead on. Would the solution to keeping the weathering be to shrink the blue highlights?

[@robertmurray7279]

Not the poster but I think part of it is blue and orange (brown) are very clashing colours so they draw each other out. Maybe try high lighting the black with a more earthy or green highlight like he showed earlier in the videos, and they'll blend in more with the weathering to preserver the "blackness" of the model? Look at the armor on display at 2:41 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3zQmmOJjJiZmdE

[@Zooka128]

The way you have to think of black is not as "shades of black", like a blue black, brown black etc., but as black as a dissolver of light but not a TOTAL dissolver of light, so they're literally just reflections of colours from all around that have had most of the light stripped out of them. That's why his "blue black" doesn't work, because it's not just a small amount of the light being reflected, it looks like a vast amount of the light is being reflected. It also doesn't work well with NMM (non-metallic metals).

[@sstinger0137]

This was super interesting, and changed how I think about black as a whole. Thank you.

[@StevieSCustoms]

I enjoy the short videos just as much as the longer ones! Great format!

[@ralieghwhite9076]

My comment to the “Black or Not” picture was “What could have been done to make it read more as black?” And now, an incredibly informative but digestible answer!

[@bongochongopongo]

The analysis and conclusion are on point, after the edit it reads as black much clearer than before. Weathering seemed to indeed be too heavy/light in to, so in combination with the blue highlights, the model did not read as black anymore. Very cool to fit this all in a three minute video, hope the youtube algorithm won't disadvantage it because of that. Great job mate!

[@markhendrick9873]

I think your discussion on black is directly on point. Black is never just black. Thanks for explaining the technique and reasons for the color in total.

[@daggumnametaken]

This is why comics tend to use dark blues and purples instead of black. People consider Venom to be in a black suit, but really look at art of him and see how often he is actually blue.

[@paulhefferan8106]

Technique is welcome, but provoking thought about the mechanics is even better. Thanks, love the format.

[@spindleweed]

Loving the three minute format, one small topic is really easy to digest

[@rowanirish]

Valid points well presented. I got into the hobby at the start of the pandemic and decided to paint Iron Hands. I spent a lot of time thinking about what colours to use to achieve this black armour (wrought iron) effect and decided early on not to add a blue hue. I settled on Abbadon Black, Corvus Black, Eshin Grey and edge highlighted/drybrushing with Iron Warriors. All recesses were touched up with Tamiya Panel Line Accent Colour Black. Red lenses, brown leather holsters, blue plasma OSL glow and cream coloured/ dark red tabards were the splashes of colour I used to balance the grayscale tones of the armour. I was really happy with the results.

[@MrSJPowell]

The way I learned to understand black armor was by looking at cars. If you Google black cars, you'll quickly see the highlights are predominantly blue, that gets closer and closer to white as you approach the point of direct reflection from the sun, and the ground reflection in most natural environments is a greenish tan. In general, they're rarely what we think of as black.

[@garethhood9775]

My understanding of painting is taking leaps and bounds every time this dude uploads

[@Mornomgir]

This is why i loved the old midnight blue citadel color. It was the base for everything black i ever painted.

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

This makes sense. Not going to adapt this to my paintjob, because I am hardly a master painter to the point of trying to make my miniatures look realistic, but I see the reasoning behind your technique and learned to appreciate it.

[@polartest122]

nice because i always hated painting just black and just avoided it outside of like small moveable bits and gloves this helps.

[@Darkreaper1982]

Really interesting video. I did watch the original and thought, it's more blue than black, but I never realized that there is a lot of blue (and other colours) on black fabric & GW art work. It was good that you demonstrated this with pics and artwork in this video. It's made me like/appreciate the original mini you painted in your last video a lot more.

[@MortisObscura]

That's because all black pigments are actually blue or brown consumers can get. No such thing as actual black pigment when it comes to paints. You get blacker colors by hyper micronization of pigments when it comes to things like mouso or black 3.

[@Zenjie862]

Idk anyone else but watching him paint over minis in Photoshop is so satisfying.

[@Mark-cl4dd]

Love this format, short and concise covering of a topic...

[@trovarion]

Glad you liked it!

[@aspermypreviousemail5907]

Thanks for making this video. Understanding why something works or doesn't is even more important than just knowing what works. Your black templar made us think about it and that's more useful than just a step by step tutorial. Few youtubers/educators show their mistakes and I think it's fundamental for the learning process. Good video and good follow up!

[@aspermypreviousemail5907]

And by "mistake" I don't necessarilly mean your painting was wrong, just that it was perceived in such a variety of ways that it was worth talking about.

[@Primal2229]

The blue can also be argued that the armor is heavily weathered. Black paint on any surface changes colors over time due to weathering. A lot of the stuff I paint on the side around the house has been outside and what was black typically turns white, grey, charcoal grey, or bluish black. Typically its from sun damage, rain or just long term dust wearing through the layers of paint down to the base coat. Maybe its just me but that level of weathering conveys 'mini boss' when you realize that the armor was black at one point. Its the veteran. Its the last one standing.

[@trovarion]

True!

[@nikotillmann9764]

I would really like to see more of these short videos, as I often just don't have the time to watch a 20-60 minutes long ones.

[@nickthejack]

Commenting for the algorithm, this vid is excellent, and why you're the best mini painting channel out. I learn something every time, love this short, easy to digest style, and I'll watch as many of these as you care to make

[@denym123]

3 minute Tuesdays seems like a fantastic series to really invest into for the community outhere, you put a lot of high level concepts for colour theory into a simple and digestible format that is really going to help some people out. Hopefully people can support the format enough to make it viable for you :)

[@liam9710]

You did a great job covering a lot of ground on a very complex topic in a very short time

[@ghostface320]

One trick i learned off a youtuber was to dry brush leadbelcher over the armor, then black contrast over that. Gives a nice metalic yet matte black armor.

[@arkifane]

One of the most inspiring things about you is the drive that you have for learning and growing. Despite being such an accomplished competition level painter you still recognize things you can improve on and actively seek answers to how. Amazing.

[@eridinironboar2382]

I like this video format a lot. I would watch a hundred of these for every colour!

[@davidruzicka8479]

Great format addition to your content portfolio! I like and watch your long form content both here and on patreon but sometimes it's hard to stay focused for over an hour or more. So this is a nice change of pace and I don't have to go diggin for the nuggets of wisdom that are randomly spread out in your longer videos.

[@samuelcaponi4516]

As a person struggling to convert a black legion legion army and having having no clue how to highlight this was great. very good insight into using blues where i would have done greys or a drybrush white

[@Richiemouse]

This is a great format, it fits really well alongside your longer videos. I'm sure you do anyway, but just ignore the haters, the world is full of toxic people venting through the internet. The majority, the silent majority, of people who watch your videos love what you do.

[@MRtheoriginal]

Great video. I don't really paint miniatures, but the length of the video was just right to teach me something and make me interested in watching some of the longer ones.

[@NoobsiferPainting]

Honestly just now coming across this video and oh my god this has definitely helped my conundrum with the perception of the color black in general. The fact that you went into details and even showed examples, used a previous model and explained how you could've improved definitely shows your extreme hard work and practice, you've definitely earned a Golden Demon from me!

[@M1tZk1]

It was definitely too much blue on the mini, but great to get a retrospective on the process. Love to see more

[@Uselesswizard]

I've heard that both black and white miniatures shoul be at least 50% black or white so the highlights don't overpower the final impression of black or white. This was a great self-reflection an breakdown of your thought proceess. I'm looking forward to move of this format.

[@alexxdavila]

Love the format! I think more creators need to be comfortable with shorter videos, if you cant explain something simply you probably need to understand it a bit more yourself. This video was really informed but not overloaded and i think you made a lot of good points. Please make more of these!

[@itcheebeard]

That's why I enjoy Zumikito

[@bertellijustin6376]

Facts. If you can’t explain it to a child and make them understand. You don’t understand.

[@namewastaken360]

I guess a further complication is the snow base. Snow is very reflective and you would get almost as much light from below as above. Particularly on an overcast day. When skiing we call this flat light and it can be almost impossible to read the terrain as there are now shadows and the snow looks flat.

[@remusventanus5341]

The way I paint Templars is I do a bright silver zenithal highlight, then I go over it with Pro Acryl transparent black. This gives the impression of black, but with metal shining through the black in the highlights. Afterwards I dry brush a little silver on top just where some edge highlighting is needed. It's my favorite way to do black on an Astartes, and I've never seen anyone do it on youtube.

[@samgray4777]

Sounds awesome you think Black Templar Contrast paint could sub for pro acryl?

[@jamesdenison7773]

You might like this if you’ve not seen it already. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6nbmp-rYtuNkKM

[@remusventanus5341]

@@samgray4777 possibly yes, because I use Pro Acryls transparent paints to make my own contrast paints just by doing 50/50 with some flow improver. I say grab a test model and give it a try, because I bet it would be very similar to my method.

[@rjlarose5271]

A friend of mine dose something that for his iron hands. I think the only thing he dose differently before the clear black is under coat with an oil/grease wash.

[@remusventanus5341]

​@@jamesdenison7773 Thats super cool. I like it. It's very different than how I do things, and I would just say thats a lot more work than I do, especially if you need to paint a whole army. Great effect none the less. The whole point of my style is that its quick and easy for good results. Prime black, zenithal silver with an airbrush, then hand paint the transparent black over the top. I can knock out batches of ten fairly quickly, then just add the needed details. I use Trovarion's stippling technique to do the white on the shoulder pads.

[@eingames9931]

Reminds me of a guy shining black shoes when he put a layer of dark blue on top, he explained that the eye will perceive the slight blue of the shine coming off the shoe as even blacker than having just black polish.

[@outcast491]

S tier reflections, its enough to put the ideas out there so one can start thinkihng about it in our own hobbying and dive deeper should we want to.

[@JoBar71377]

You sir are a gentleman, and a painting scholar! Stay awesome!

[@thomasfitzsimmons2267]

Great video. The mockup at the end made so much sense. Like the short format

[@AznofHK]

i like. this style complements your longer in depth painting walkthroughs.

[@Andrew015]

would love to see a mini-series of quick and easy-to-digest information.

[@jurriaandejongh8677]

Great one. As black templar painter, I'm always looking into getting a more realistic black metal look.

[@ThroneOfAngels]

Brilliant format, I'd love to see more of the three to five minute videos interspersed in your regular content.

[@LucasMp]

Absolutely down for more of these "Page notes" videos. Quick, understandable, efficient.

[@Thaxsar]

I love this! Short, concise, and to the point. The valuable information sticks. And I appreciate the follow up. I can understand how varying tones are picked up in black armor, but you are painting such a small media. I think your take on the grim dark would have been received better, and actually read more as black on a larger model. As you had stated, you didn't have a lot of space to work with along with the weathering. Feel like it was trying to fit too much into such a small space and not a means to add such detail into a small space.

[@Lee0568]

I also paint RAF WWII night heavy Bombers that have a black underside,I use at least 4 different shades of black,From normal black to rubber black to really dark greys,then blend them with a highly diluted coat of the original base coat.

[@pretty_vanilla]

Damn, that was a lot of useful information jammed into 3 minutes. Love the format. Though I am biased and could listen to you talk about painting for hours.

[@box2boardhobby89]

Love this format. Thanks. Actually really helpful technique to put a photo into Photoshop or another app to check corrections before ‘correcting’ on the model.

[@desykd7294]

This format is fantastic trovarion. Keep the good work

[@Jjk82486]

As I am about to attempt this in the coming weeks; returning to this quick review has been very helpful, thanks!

[@fin4889]

really like the short video format will compliment the longer ones

[@emilykhan8706]

I like this short format, but as an adjunct to the longer formats--I wouldn't want it to replace the original Back Templar video, or to become the primary means for communicating info.

[@TrentRosenbaum]

This is such a great length and really covered something that I see, but cannot explain or translate to my minis. So interesting how you showed the different examples. :)

[@marktda]

It would be interesting to apply the military modelling techniques on weathering and chipping for a grim look. Maybe it's possible to keep an easy black reading while adding colours

[@MEchanicAL_LSTAR]

Anyone giving grief online at any of your awesome artwork is just jealous of what you create. You have a idea and you put it on the mini. I think it looked great and would love a kill team painted in that style. I could go on, but I just wanted to give you praise for your content. Good job.

[@AzraelThanatos]

Black and White are some of the hardest to paint in ways that both look good and work for the mini. There are also the extremes where materials also matter heavily for the color, more so than a lot of others. The three main ones are for Cloth, Leather, and Metal...though stone and "glass" tend to pop up a decent amount in different things (It took me forever to come up with something that looks right for a white stone for terrain work). For me, a black cloth tends to be the easiest, and it actually seems to work best for not working in other colors...unless you want translucent cloth which is an entirely different kettle of fish. I tend to go with a dark grey for the base, then a black ink wash, then work back into the base color and to a lighter grey...leather tends to work similarly, but you need to do a lot more in getting the highlights positioned right or there are more issues. Black armor tends to be easier to do with a wider variety of metallic paints than anything else though there are some times when you need to do something else... I've got a fantasy force that's closer to a historical force with a few things that stand out such as a bit more gold to them, but the big thing is the black and white shields. They're relatively simple in the heraldry for the army...a black shield with a white stripe at an angle across it. Highlighting the black up at all tends to make it look off and takes the entire thing into a grey because the white tends to make it look off, but I can use a simple highlight to get the stripe to read as white...I just use a cold off white as the base and move from there with a pure white. All three colors on that part of the shield are glossy and they still read as metal for those looking at it, especially with later weathering added to it. The hardest thing with Blacks and Whites is when you have them up against each other...white next to white was also something for an RP mini that I was painting where the shields main colors were a cold and a warm white that I wanted to keep distinct...

[@sarainy9775]

Love this new video format, although I also really enjoy the longer form content too!

[@farmermaggotscrop9068]

I thought it might be clickbait by the title but you make a very interesting point.

[@shogunjim4257]

good job mate, I like the format, maybe do it as a serie for all colors

[@Maxmillion77]

Great video Christoph, just wanted to say I enjoyed this 3min format. It gives us some concise but valuable information to keep us going inbetween streams.

[@trovarion]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@quahodron2756]

Love your advice! As someone, who also often tries out new things, including a lot of "colored metal armours", I learned, that to let sth be readable as a certain color, the base color (e.g. black) should still cover 50%++ on a miniature. This might not match with reality, but a 28mm scale model ain't reality either.

[@rhag1394]

That mock up in the end really show's what you mean. Thanks for the concise explanation!

[@ryaneasterling1556]

Great format, the concise topic makes it a truly worth wile watch. Would love to see more

[@8-bite393]

I think the Templar looks really great and the armour looks Battleworn!!! Nice 👍

[@jpmegr1715]

Excellent work Trovarion. This format works. I really liked the concise breakdown. I’d like to see more of these. They compliment your longer format work nicely

[@Doge-kc6dj]

My black templar army probably look like Comic drawing of Symbiote Spider man that consist Blue and black, blue is when the black touch with light and black only on stuff that do not Intervene with a light. Probably also put a lighter layer blue on the blue

[@seeleve]

This 3 minute format is baller. Please do more. You also convinced me to try and add some blue, just a bit, to the black parts of my miniatures, let's see how that turns out. Cheers.

[@nickcosta3004]

Super cool explanation, I was really wondering what happened and if the brown weather had played a role. Thanks for the quick explanation!

[@stephenryder3331]

Absolutely great video. I loved the concise and very factual 3minutes. I painted my first Black Templar following your video on Saturday. It was the very first Grim Dark model I've ever painted (I'm relatively new to painting) and I have to say I'm absolutely over the moon with it! Thanks so much for your video. I really enjoyed painting the miniature and adding a story along with it! Thanks

[@noosebrother]

to be honest i kinda like the heavy metal black armor. it is what made me fall in love with the warhammer 40k universe.. grimdark is fun to do and beautiful in it's own right but i still try for a pure box-art look. what i do find interesting though, is how it went from colourful beginnings, with the space-orks and their lavish outfits. spacemarines with blue armor, yellow trim and red guns all on simple green bases to realism everything, caked in mud and rust.

[@honzatomecek6415]

The black templar marine is gorgeous!! (As well as the previous grimdark blood angel) Love your art style!! Greetings from Czech Republic!!

[@trovarion]

thanks, bud!

[@sc6251]

excellent teaching points on the more advanced aspects of miniature painting

[@APPYuGiChannel]

Bang! More useful information in 3 minutes than in the previous 5 videos i watched on painting black.

[@wadekothmann431]

I love this format, please keep them coming!

[@sagowniki2347]

Great video and the short format of theoretical thoughts is amazing. Exactly what i was looking for on youtube.

[@ShadowspearCreations-ScpW]

Hell I love your black armor! Maybe also because I like exactly that kind of hue of the blue but also because it looks super cool and interesting! And I certainly agree that there ain't no pure black armors out there in reality, they ain't no black holes swallowing the light! There's reflections (and aside from real metal silver/gold/bronze there's no 'color' reflecting more than black... well, black ain't a color and that's only valid at night and/or in the absence of any light 😂), battle damage, wear,... and then there's light breaking on certain surfaces, which brings it all back to reflections! Absolutely love 'em!!! 💚

[@ShadowspearCreations-ScpW]

Especially correct because of your snow base btw! There's snow and ice, which basically is water. What color does ice mostly reflect outside and by that which tone does it have? Blue! Because of the blue sky and the ice breaking the light! If there's a fireplace reflecting it would look yellowish and reddish and no one would complain...

[@danielb8533]

The idea of a 3 minute video as a follow up to one of your 15 minute videos is amazing. Its like a QnA only better!

[@andresperedo1275]

btw, if you look at Trovarion's black templar from some distance (or if you make the image smaller), it looks were more black that when you look at the detailed zoomed view of the miniature. And, well, it is a miniature, so if you hold it in your hand is going to be quite small.

[@RachetLikesOat]

Im still gonna follow the grimdark tutorial for my Space Wolf. Stay awesome dude, love your work.

[@tsaketh]

I think you are genuinely the best mini painting channel on youtube. I hope that some day I can come close to what you do.

[@Mightypi]

Huh, your right, knocking it down to 3 mins made is much easier to digest. Great vid

[@mvb8263]

Awsome! Great idea for a video, very digestible and straight to the core.. your KZbin powers are growing more powerful by the day!

[@kosachilles2504]

What a great quick way you cleared that up. Great video

[@ethan_anthem]

I'm reminded of a phenomenon where people are exposed to something designed with real-life proportions, colors, and scale but they perceive it as being UNrealistic, somehow because it differs from what they subconsciously expect it to be. Another example is when focus groups watched a draft of the movie Cloverfield. The scene with the Statue of Liberty's head rolling through NYC was criticized for being unrealistic, despite being modeled in its actual scale. Audiences thought it should be BIGGER than it actually was. In the end, the size of the head was increased

[@Withspoons]

This was a great way of presenting color theory and a concept in a short amount of time. Regarding black paint, i think this is just it, the ratio between reflective colors and the base tone black. It is one of the trickiest things i've encountered in mini-painting. Not making the miniature look like a silhouette but also not make it shift tone and read as the highlight color. Thanks for the clarification, and also the example where you tone down the highlight digitally. You can clearly see the effect that it goes back to read as more of a black. I will try to push my highlights even higher on my minis but still be thoughtful about the ratio.

[@Pers0n97]

So basically, black armor isn't all black, it's often more about the lights that will reflect on it, but if you do weathering on top of a generous lighting you have lost too much black to keep read as black. Thank you master, this will be a very important lesson I'll try to keep in mind when starting my own black templars.

[@fulgrum]

I love the 3-minute video concept. The video gives condensed information on a subject without cutting into my painting time. Lol. A 3 or even a 5-minute video that gives this kind of information is perfect. I am a fan of this concept.

[@Ed-xo9pc]

Love the quick and easily digestible format used here, its informative and punchy so sticks with you. Also love how you talk about whats gone wrong for you and why, its as important to know how to analyse your own work and correct it and you really help show that off.

[@wuji8305]

Even experienced painters can learn and adjust. In the past I've painted 1/12 scale dioramas over 30cm long which people have loved but I wasn't happy and ended up stripping and repainting the thing two more times until I was happy with the result. It was a lot of work, but as long as someone is satisfied with their own work that's all that matters. It's their time and effort after all unless its work for a client ofc.

[@coeusrocks]

This was a great format for explaining a detail of something that you did a particular way in a previous video and I would love to see it continue.

[@warsmithpainting]

Love the punchy format! Keep up the amazing work

[@woshstudios]

Totally agree, never stop learning. I liked both the original and the photos hopefully edit, but yeah the photos hopefully edit definitely reads as more black

[@woshstudios]

Now a challenge, do a grimdark white that doesn't read as brown or beige or grey!