The Ultimate Climbing Supplement Tier List with Dave MacLeod

[@markusmuller65656]

Dave is such a treasure for the climbing community. He is sharing so much information with us! Thank you Mr. Macleod!

[@00Platypus00]

Do not simply accept that information just because it comes from a good climber... Some of the things he says about nutrition and environment are outright wrong.

[@markusmuller65656]

@@00Platypus00 i do not accept any information without questioning but i can be thankful for someone how tries to do good for others with his knowledge. And to say someone is wrong without any proof and example is not very convincing.

[@00Platypus00]

@@markusmuller65656 I am not about to drop a full literature review. I'll just say the ramblings about plant protein and the environmental impact of plant-based diets is coming from a place of bias, from someone who promotes keto and even wears the shirt of a YT channel known for its unscientific drivel. Anyhow, if you usually do not accept information without properly sourcing it then all that is perfectly fine :) Cheers.

[@markusmuller65656]

@@00Platypus00 Thanks for your answer and the example. Of course you have to cherry pick and evaluate the information you get and map it to yourself. And i agree on your point about the criticism regarding the points about plant based diets! My initial comment seems a little bit naive i guess.

[@00Platypus00]

@@markusmuller65656 Not really naive if you ask me. I just thought of warning a tiny bit. We can appreciate Dave for what he is good at - there is no questioning his climbing skills - while taking what he (and everyone else) says about other things with a grain of salt. I did not mean to be confrontative :)

[@SpaceBotany]

Had to skip right to the AG1 section. Seen them everywhere and considered buying some but the aggressive advertising had me second guessing. Glad to hear my skepticism was warranted.

[@milspectoothpick4119]

Same. I get a tub of multivitamin mix from costco that's I guess similar to AG1 and thought about trying AG1 cuz I see it everywhere on YT. I saw the like $80/mo. price and instantly closed the tab, lol.

[@skr4207]

just checked the nutrition facts, yeah it's piss, has barely anything in there at good enough doses in 1 serving.

[@testboga5991]

All supplements are a scam if you eat any reasonable diet.

[@Grubiantoll]

ye, the wierd thing about youtube promotions is- the more you see the stronger is your feeling that bigger part of the companeis money goes in to advertising, which often means that there is very little focus on product value and quality

[@alakabaz3]

James Smith did a good video on AG1 and why it’s guff

[@Neffer23]

I am equal parts surprised and delighted to see this collab. Great stuff start to finish.

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

Dude, this is good stuff, Climbing Stuff. These are good interviews - you're a likeable guy and these are fun, entertaining, and informative. Well-done.

[@Fred-oz3tw]

that is mostly misinformation by seemingly purposely painting a very limited picture of things. little hint for that is his t-shirt.

[@rickyrickstan563]

​@@Fred-oz3twthere's a reason your reply has no likes

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

@@Fred-oz3tw What the hell are you talking about? What does anything you said have anything to do with my comment?

[@Vicitoriachi]

​@@rickyrickstan563I'm not saying that OP is right or wrong, but anyways: likes or the absence of likes are NOT an indicator of the correctness of a comment.

[@florianneumann9441]

You dismiss his education and expertise because of a vegetable t-Shirt? Btw he isn’t even a vegetarian… you are a prime example of what you claim about dave.

[@rhinoonarampage8203]

Any video with Dave Macleod in it is incomparably helpful to climbing, and its cool to see him in a goofier style of video

[@Javiertr86]

Lool, the AG1 part caught me by surprise! 😂 I really was expecting a sponsored opinion

[@biomorphic]

Cocaine is probably cheaper than AG1 😀

[@stf6086]

Then Dave would lose a lot of credibility…. When hoopers beta did their ag1 commercials their claim of science based content became just empty words for me….

[@Hopesfallout]

@@stf6086 Yeah, it certainly blurs the message a bit. They did speak out against the Eric Hörst collagen bullshit in the past but they'll advertise another unnecessary overpriced supplement instead, it massively contradicts the philosophy of their channel. Then again 99% of what's on their channel is still good info.

[@IAmABoss2]

Idk if this makes you feel any better but I'm 100% certain that the high price tag for AG1 is to pay for the insane amount of money their sponsorships pay. Obviously I don't know the figure but they've sponsored Magnus so this would be a really hefty amount. Let them get their bread from a sponsor, at the end of the day, like Dave said, it doesn't hurt, but yeah you can buy better stuff from just multivitamins

[@brianlee9630]

nice vid! time for me to get some BACC, HGH and coke so i can send my V4 proj on the moonboard

[@sisoboy_4438]

To be fair v4 on the moonboard is basically v10

[@Hopesfallout]

Climbers should start experimenting with tren.

[@brianlee9630]

@@Hopesfallout saving that for the V5s on the moonboard

[@hugmynutus]

@@Hopesfallout finally!

[@HopyHop1]

@@Hopesfallout You think they are not already using performance enhancing drugs?

[@gordonsulc8319]

Dave Macleod is so great! And this was a great video idea from Climbing Stuff to get at his voluminous, quality knowledge!

[@llVincentRockll]

Wow! This surprised me. This actually important and serious content outside of memes and that. Good job and amazing interview!

[@michael_angelo]

#1 climbing news channel.

[@jordi95]

I aproached the video thinking that it would be goofy but I was pleasently surprised. Great video!

[@skateboardscott]

This was really insightful. Dave is a living legend!

[@mikej243]

My god Dave knows a thing or two about optimal camera lighting.

[@shellytraverse]

Great to see two contrasting youtube climbers vibing together! Nice combo. You brought out Dave's fun side

[@SauceVinaigrette]

Awesome video as usual! On a side note, Dave would probably be the only climbing KZbinr I'd be interested in getting a course from, he knows his stuff and explains it really well. His books are great too.

[@uh2181]

probably should've asked about just caffeine by itself or in the form of plain coffee or tea. I see a lot of people online always associating "coffee" with people who spend $6 every day on some starbucks sugar bomb as if it's impossible to drink it without all of the extra added bullshit. Most preworkouts have ridiculously high doses of caffeine (400mg per scoop isn't unheard of) but they differ in how much they deliver of other random supplements like arginine, l-citrulline, carnitine, beta-alanine, etc which give preworkout blends more effects beyond pure stimulation.

[@toni6194]

Yeah this guy clearly didnt seem to be the best person to interview and rank some of the kinds of "supplements" in this list.

[@16m49x3]

same with red bull

[@ianmass2000]

No sugar though ​@@16m49x3

[@el_kammeroni]

S tier video! Love Dave, love what you do. Just awesome

[@MechanixPL]

Kudos to Dave for enduring some of the questions. Good knowledge in others, as always.

[@greentea3406]

My man this video is pure gold, the information in it is amazing and all of it its delivered with a great dose of humour. Loved it, Dave its the best.

[@Matt-yu5ed]

Good to see no biases, climbing is a sport that a lot of people don't take diet into account for so this video might send people in the right direction

[@renciapolous]

I needed this. I feel I trust Dave's criteria so much, his perspective always blows my mind. Loved the point about the pea plant being used to feed animals XD. Great vid!

[@Voidload]

Thanks for making this extremely informative while also decently fun. Good trick for my AD HD to stay focused ❤️‍🔥

[@peteraarhaug6522]

What about Yorkshire tea? It looks like it might up the British trad game at least!

[@littletyke76]

The best tea out there.

[@climbermacleod]

S tier.

[@frankzappa4286]

Oh yeah. It's illegal to climb in Yorkshire unless you have a flask of verifiable Yorkshire Tea.

[@MusingMuso]

First time seeing any of Dave's stuff but he had my INSTANT respect when he said "pass" on commenting on HGH solely because he didn't feel like he knew enough about it. That's some serious integrity.

[@Voidload]

It's amazing to have Dave in the video! He is so knowledgeable and he state is an an oppinion not a fact

[@Drewbot98]

Much more interesting and informative then the "to climb hard, you have to pull hard, use good technique, try hard" things that dominate my feed

[@bennyneedsbeta8377]

Dude excellent freaking work so great to see this channel evolve:)

[@adamgallimore8905]

Dave is the goat. Such a great climber and has so much knowledge to offer!!

[@konstantinmuller6746]

i like your "interview" style, keep em comin

[@leybi]

Super interesting thank you both for this !

[@paulcartwright840]

I'm a nobody but I've tried all the supplements in my time...I'm 52 and have done many strength based sports. In my experience none of it makes much difference...save your money and buy real food because mother nature made it to do a job!

[@outdoorintrovert_]

Idk about the discussion about pea protein allegedly contributing to more waste than whey protein supplements.. I feel like is removing the fact that in order to produce whey, a cow is consuming a huge volume of plant feed. Im seriously doubting that pea protein may have a higher envm impact, but Id be interested in seeing a life cycle analysis for both. edit: pea protein is definitely lower impact lol

[@00Platypus00]

Dave has something against consuming plants that is completely irrational. He is very anti vegan with his keto diet. His shirt says it all...

[@shrill_2165]

Mate, look for the LCA then. Fuck you don’t need to just sit there are wait to be told what to think

[@Clin270]

I don't have a strong opinion, so I'm just trying to formulate my understanding: two main points, cows don't need animal feed, they can live off of grass and rainwater, this is sadly not done in most agriculture since it is more expensive in terms of area for production. The point i think Macleod is trying to make is, that most people who decide to consume plant protein over animal do it to avoid the meat industry, which they don't.

[@rixt135]

Exactly, way more resources being used and also way more emissions with whey protein than plant proteins

[@peterkapunkt6783]

​@@00Platypus00The shirt is from a channep called vegetable police. that channel is run by a person, who was vegan at several points in time and even moved to Thailand to live on a fruit based diet.

[@kurtzepausekurtzepause1695]

If it were 10 times cheaper, it would go up to D - Endorsment of AG1 - love it

[@JoaoPauloSoares61]

Guy's a legend! Cool to see this colab

[@adamhuske1749]

Awesome video, Dave is the man. The team up was very funny and got a ton of good information. Please do a collaboration on training for climbing with him. He's realistic and could be very informative

[@PlayedSun]

You have such a fun rapport with your guests, it's always super entertaining to watch whenever you have a collab on the channel. It was also super informative as well as being fun to watch. I do find it a little humorous that the last AG1 sponsor ad I saw was on some random Magnus vid lol.

[@yercules]

Cool to have Dave on! Glad he mentioned his supplements at the end, those really make you feel different. Some fun substances you gave but I missed beta-alanine and peptides such as bpc-157 or tb-500. Which could be interesting since he has a pulley injury.

[@_negentropy_]

I found Dave Macleod’s channel recently and have found him to be one of the most refreshingly sensible, evidence-based content creators in the broader health and wellness community. Great conversation.

[@Govanification]

Comment for the alg. Dave is a gem of the climbing world.

[@danedalton]

Didn't think this collab would ever happen, heeeeelllllll yeah

[@johnshipley1389]

Great video, anything with so much Dave action is S tier

[@felixinfinita3777]

Super good. It's always hard to get info about nutrition and this video nailed it in an entertaining way!

[@surferderek11]

I love this. Keep these kind of videos coming

[@durabelle]

I'm not a climber anymore, but this was still interesting, good thing it wasn't too specific. One thing that wasn't mentioned about getting foods from real foods is flavour! You'll miss on a lot of lovely and interesting flavours by taking protein mostly in powdered form, be it whey or plant based. I'm with you on the bread diet though, looove bread! I've made it slightly better by baking my own, but it's still a lot of carbs, can't get around that. I could happily live on bread, cheese, selected fruits, and chocolate. Might not live long, but would die happy 😂

[@FreddyDorling]

Dude you are getting some crazy collabs these days. I'm expecting the next video to be something like 'Reinholt Messner took me up Everest'

[@KIVagant]

I'm so happy to hear the honest answers and listen to that expanded comment about sugar and quick energy sources like bread. Bread is good, but only as a side to the main dish. But sugar drinks? Omg, how many people drink and drink them every day... They really should be licensed like alcohol at some point in time.

[@iamprsn9]

This was super useful, ty!

[@JHClimbs]

Dave has a Vegetable Police T-Shirt on, that dude is straight bonkers!

[@arnesl929]

Did not see that connection coming

[@semirelatablesarah]

I cut out whey/casein and cows milk (I still eat cheese and quark) and my acne has cleared up almost entirely. If you’re struggling with acne, try cutting those things out - it’s not the case for everyone but worth a shot

[@santiagogc427]

why does Dave look like an AI video at the beggining wtffff

[@Whueso]

How many tabs did you take today, Santiago?

[@santiagogc427]

up until 1:19 Dave seems straight out the uncanny valley, maybe it’s the lighting idk

[@uiofinder]

@@santiagogc427agreed he looked like ai

[@captaintvb]

Large studio-type light source like soft box or something + big sensor camera with a decent lens and shallow depth of field give this smooth buttery look.

[@minime453]

The "Vegetable" t-shirt was a dead giveaway

[@peterkapunkt6783]

Was not expecting a Vegetable Police shirt :D

[@jonasfritzer]

Great video, cool that you got dave ob the channel! I would be keen to know why hes not on a vegetarian diet considering he should know all about increased health risks from consuming red meat.

[@Mentholox]

He said in a video that he believes red meat is not the issue. He argues that people who have an unhealthy lifestyle eat more red meat. In other words, if you eat allot of fast food and sugar you are more likely to eat more red meat. And that most if not all health nagatives associated with it comes from there.

[@rschreck876]

Skipped directly to the AG1 to see what he said. Dave said exactly what I thought he would say!

[@jeffmcdonald101]

This was hilarious. I think you will be rethinking your breadbull diet thank to Dave. He's bang on, supplement what you can't get from whole food and eat complex carbs (no bread/flour/sugar/juice etc). This lines up with everything I've ever heard and been taught about sports nutrition.

[@jy5490]

his smile after saying the joke about AG1 going up a tier sold the video for me

[@michaelwetter888]

I saw Dave in the thumbnail for two days or so and now realized it is a Climbing Stuff video 😍. My brain possibly couldn’t comprehend this unusual teamup. My favorite so far. Now I’m gonna watch it. (I would have watched it later anyway)

[@maxthiessen412]

This is the climbing content we need

[@JBMountainSkills]

I don't understand the Redbull bit... Caffeine has well studied links to performance gains, so it's more than just sugar water.

[@littletyke76]

I think that was down to the poor choice of "supplements" on the list. He should have put it as caffeine, not as energy drinks to actually get an accurate response from Dave. Honestly I liked the video but he should have done more research into the the different supplements, it was a rather basic and lumped together list

[@myskina11]

Dave Macleod great advice on suggesting red meat, eggs and salmon. As well as vitamin D3 and fish oils

[@macmurfy2jka]

Talking to Dan is great, his work awesome. A good partnership for sure!

[@myskina11]

Dave Macleod is 100% right on more protein causes athletes, bodybuilders and obese people to get leaner. Good advice

[@thenayancat8802]

It's a good thing that egg and beef production don't have horrible environmental concerns that Dave failed to mention, that'd be very odd

[@thenayancat8802]

Also, ranking energy drinks below F is hilarious, caffeine is insanely effective

[@tobiaslueck94]

​@@thenayancat8802use caffeine sups instead of sugar with a bit of it instead then?

[@thenayancat8802]

@@tobiaslueck94 energy drinks generally have good doses of caffeine, a bit of sugar around exercise is absolutely fine as you'll be burning it anyway (pre-carnivore Dave knew this), and sugar free energy drinks exist, but yeah sure whatever

[@tobiaslueck94]

@@thenayancat8802 thats absolutely wrong. Those doses of sugar cannot be defined as a bit. Redbull f.e. has more than 10g per 100ml in it, that lets your blutsugar skyrocket and drop down if u dont put smth in to your System afterwards. Also you mention beef and egg production has per se nad production circumstances which also just is a false statement. It really comes down to where you buy it.

[@camkay3633]

​@@thenayancat8802kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXPEiWOger6moLcsi=vQYoI7T85axJ8Zgd

[@satanaz]

VEGETABLE POLICE! 😅 what's up with that shirt Dave?!

[@firegodlive]

Creatine short list for people that have no clue: -Some people are non-responders (somewhere around 20% of population). -You don't need to time it, just take around 5G/day. After a month you'll see any benefits -Weight gain is water. That goes away with time and can be manipulated with diet. -Main benefit is basically increased ATP reserves. In short, you recover quicker from max effort movements and can (generally) output more power longer -It's not a miracle, but you could see a notable performance improvement. If your diet is trash, you don't sleep well, etc. - it's negligible For steroids/gear - don't do it. If you do, you should be getting at least monthly bloodwork and work with an expert. It's generally illegal (depending on country) - and even if you're careful, you should assume you're cutting your life short to perform better for a few years.

[@ambush951]

Finally Climbing Stuff uploaded again. (I've never climbed in my life but this guy is just too good at making videos)

[@IAmABoss2]

That was such an insanely informative video. Honestly, it didn't even come into my head that if you got everything naturally then you don't need to supplement, even if you do a lot of exercise. As a UK viewer will defo be getting some Vitamin D from Boots and eating some more eggies (red meat is too bad for the environment for me)

[@olivertasnadi1905]

I know it’s all jokes but I’m actually quite a heavy weed smoker and recently I’ve took a break from it and have noticed a huge improvement in energy, focus and quite possibly strength but I’m not too sure about the strength, I’d put it in the D or E tier.

[@angustaylor711]

I think Dave speaking about the ethical issues of wasting peas but not touching on the vast ethical/environmental issues caused by a diet of red meat and dairy (which he continues to encourage) feels like a pretty poor representation of different diets impact. Other than that, interesting to hear his thoughts on other supplements, interesting vid, thanks.

[@samr2733]

How I understood it was that the only reason to favour the plant based protein over whey or meat is the environmental /animal cause. If that’s your motive, it’s good to know its flaws. As opposed to someone who would eat whey and red meat would have performance as a main point and maybe not care as much (or aim at other levers to care. I’m not pointing fingers, I think someone like Dave is probably way lower on the CO2 impact than every vegan Parisians/big city people would ever be)

[@thenayancat8802]

@@samr2733 You're probably quite wrong, generally city living has far lower environmental impacts than living rurally in a big house as Dave does

[@samr2733]

@@thenayancat8802 probably you’re right. Not my point anyway which was the reason of me writing that in the first place : I didn’t want to speak about about who’s doing it better for the environment and who’s not but the reason (imo) of Dave mentioning it in one case and not the other. Now if you wanna think that having people packed in huge city eating food coming from miles away and using the money they make to fly/drive far away at any opportunity is better than staying mainly in the countryside even though you might use a bit more heater in the winter good for you. I was also speaking not of all cities but of those huge metropoles full of people. I must admit though that I’m not so aware of the life in the uk. Hence my first sentence. On a side note, I’m not eating any kind of meat and living in a city 🤷‍♂️

[@thenayancat8802]

@@samr2733 Yes, if you consider the most frugal country life possible, it's probably not as bad as living the most extravagant life possible in the city. However you don't have to do that, do you? You can live in a city and travel by train. Similarly it might feel good to eat local meat instead of veg that's travelled far to get to you, but the evidence generally shows that actually the meat is worse. These are the types of arguments Dave and similar people put forward in many of their videos on the topic, and they don't really hold water. It's just gesturing at the imagined hypocrisy of "every vegan Parisians/big city people" as you put it.

[@angustaylor711]

@@samr2733 I think what bothers me is that he does also speak about the benefits of eating meat (specifically keeping cows) on soil health and reps it as an enviromental positive, but the reality as you allude to is that most people do not live where he lives, and cannot source their meat from grass fed cows. I think his McDonalds experiement was also to demonstrate that people who are unable to afford/source the meat he does could just buy fast food meat patties and do the same. But Maccy's are responsible for a huge amount of rainforest destruction for ranching space, amongst all the other shite things they do. I feel like he has some blind spots in his dietary beleifs, and I think the fact that he then encourages others to follow his same diet is dangerous for the environment, potentially people's health, definitely the welfare of animals. And I will be honest that it irks me more than with other folks because I enormously respect and appreciate him in so many other ways!

[@Mrwhomeyou]

I straight up wrote in my nutrition class midterm that my Saturday breakfast is 2 bags pop tarts, and I start and end lunch with ice cream, full plate of fries, and random whatever lol

[@EffigyOfficial]

Bioengineering student here, I know this guy currently has more credentials than me but he is wrong about there not being any downsides to adding whey if you're getting enough protein. It can cause unnecessary kidney strain

[@jacobreintjes3168]

Cannabis. So if anyone else has seen the Arnold s documentary or read the book. He talks about smoking during breaks at the gym. Study's apparently show, that cannabinoids actually help block the build of lactic acid.

[@lylemcdermott2566]

No it's bs. It makes you hungry, so you eat more even when you're super tired and don't want to eat. And it makes your pain from your body aches and whatnot go away.

[@davidgubbels1328]

More waste is not necessarily true about plant protein, because a cow wastes most of its diet in the form of energy so its probably pretty much the same except a cow produces methane

[@billybobybobybob]

Plant protein should be WAY above Whey (pun intended), especially if the reason for lowering plant protein is out of environmental reasons: "Results from our review suggest that the vegan diet is the optimal diet for the environment because, out of all the compared diets, its production results in the lowest level of GHG emissions." - Which Diet Has the Least Environmental Impact on Our Planet? A Systematic Review of Vegan, Vegetarian and Omnivorous Diets "Despite substantial variation due to where and how food is produced, the relationship between environmental impact and animal-based food consumption is clear and should prompt the reduction of the latter." - Vegans, vegetarians, fish-eaters and meat-eaters in the UK show discrepant environmental impacts "Concerning regional food, intuition suggests that shorter transports result in lower environmental impacts. However, transport only represents on average a small fraction of emissions during the life cycle of food products (Ritchie and Roser, 2020). For most simple products, the agricultural production phase is responsible for a major part of GHG emissions and other environmental impacts on biodiversity and soil quality (Nemecek et al., 2016). Thus, the environmental benefit from the regional production of food is estimated to be relatively small compared to a meat-free diet." - Eat local to save the planet? Contrasting scientific evidence and consumers' perceptions of healthy and environmentally friendly diets "A study published last year shows just how critical cutting meat production is in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The study found that 57% of global greenhouse gas emissions from food production come from meat and dairy products. Beef contributes the most global greenhouse gas emissions, according to the study. Just 29% of food-related global greenhouse gas emissions come from plant-based foods." - A Vegan Diet: Eating for the Environment Apparently KZbin doesn't allow external links in comments (pretty dumb), so I've had to include titles instead.

[@paulgaras2606]

Whey itself a waste product of the cheese production process. Before the supplement industry blew up a lot of whey was just thrown out.

[@evan11048]

Great collaboration

[@konsey1889]

Thought the thumbnail was like a meme/clickbait thing, but this was acutally informative 😂😂

[@lucast.6474]

Regarding creatine I would say try it do a loading period and back off on it if you bloat or feel worse from it

[@obiponte]

Well this might be my favorite video yet

[@shaneh7519]

19:40 I think it’s important to note that while the powder has no vitamin d, when you sign up you get a free year supply of vitamin d and k oil that you add to the shake Also, iodine deficiency is pretty rare in the United States.

[@10daxing]

No Yerba Mate 🧉?

[@Allxyin]

This video was awesome! Interessting, educational and funny! As a German, I missed the beer in the rankings, but we all know it's definitely S-tier-plus.😜

[@mtfkno]

The discussion around marijuana was actually really interesting albeit short, but one thing that's sort of intangible about the plant when I use it in my climbing (12b/c, V6-8) is feeling centered in my body. Like any of these other supplements, you can dose it so that you're receiving primarily the benefits (high focus on a single task, mild muscle relaxant, anxiety relief) without many of the known drawbacks (mental and physical lethargy, lower cognitive focus). In many cases, climbing on a low dose often makes me feel more attentive to my movement and body position than I otherwise may be in difficult positions like cruxes on projects. I'd say it's subjectively beneficial and warrants some further investigation without writing it off of the list completely.

[@jedjohnstone3340]

I just started giving a shit about what I eat, great timing Mr Stuff

[@korok2619]

great time to hear an expert tell you suplements are not needed

[@mAny_oThERSs]

Even if you consume enough protein in your diet, there are studies that show benefits of taking whey protein right after a workout, especially when it comes to muscle recovery rate, which is also something that i matches my personal experience as i basically feel like the stress on my muscles is halved the second i drink my protein shake.

[@JoeBlow-mw5oo]

I think that adding bcaa on top of your regular protein as long as it’s inexpensive is not a bad idea. There’s some evidence (Can’t remember exactly where I saw but I’m sure it can be googled) that supplementing on top of enough protein can be slightly beneficial but it’s not NEEDED

[@DanielEvans-ux4ov]

The ethical concerns about plant protein knock I down a notch. Glad there are no such concerns with animal protein

[@skilar-pg3dg]

You should talk to Alex Megos about this I bet he‘d have a very different opinion about beef and eggs

[@BorisMagdanz]

Yes, …..but Alex is „just“ a climber and not a nutritionist. He obviously knows nothing about nutrition. His video left me speechless and I thought „please, just stick to climbing content and nothing else for your videos“

[@Pimjeanpaul]

@@BorisMagdanz Nutrionist is not a legally protected title, everyone can call themselves a nutrionist fyi. Not saying Dave doesnt know more about nutrition than Alex would. Just saying, it's not what you think. edit: Nvm, after seeing him recommend red meat and eggs I think Alex might actually know more about nutrition than Dave does. They are both 'just' climbers, only one calls himself a nutrionist and the other just eats healthy.

[@TheEsotericProgrammer]

@@Pimjeanpaul He did a master's degree in Human Nutrition... you're waffling

[@olevarher]

Dave sure loves split grades

[@berg5714]

Since you mentioned environmental issues from some supplements early in the video, I feel the need to say that the same goes for salmon. I can pretty much guarantee that all the salmon you can find in stores is from salmon farming - not wild salmon. Fish farming has a horrible impact on both the fish you eat and the local environment. Here in Norway where I'm from, fish farming (and specifically salmon) has pretty much killed all the life in our fjords, polluting them with diseases, excrement from the fish, and trash (including a lot of plastics). The huge difference between waste from a farm on land and that from a fish farm, is that ocean currents spread it out over a massive area. In addition, this completely covers the seabed - blocking fish from their food source. For the salmon in the farms, things are even worse. There have been several investigations by both media and authorities revealing that companies hide mass casualty events in their farms where tens of thousands of fish died from various causes - and that those fish later was sold in stores (sometimes even marked as "premium" products). If you regularly eat salmon from the store, I'm willing to bet that you've eaten a fish that died from diseases instead of being slaughtered. I should also mention that the way salmon is slaughtered is by cooking them alive, giving them huge burn wounds in the process. As someone who has grown up close to these Norwegian salmon farms, I actively avoid eating their product.

[@MarkDonaldsonPhDMD]

No mention of Mag Juice or Mag Dust? I've been butt chugging Mag Juice just for fun, but wondering if it's good for me?

[@CJvanLissa]

The argument that plant protein is more wasteful to produce is completely fraught. 80% of global agricultural land use is used for (feed for) animals, which produces 20% of global calories. So animal protein sources are far, far more wasteful than plant protein sources. Of course the whole pea is not used to produce protein powder, but that doesn't mean the rest is wasted. The other components are used for other products, including animal feed of course, or pea soup etc.

[@davidharkey1939]

Seemed somewhat odd that he glazes over whey proteins emissions and takes points off for the plants. Whey protein is estimated to be 9-12kg CO2e per kg, while pea protein is 1-3kg. There are legit grievances with pea protein, they are usually more expensive and you need a higher volume for the same protein content also in my opinion the taste is worse.

[@ManuelOctavio]

Fascinating! Great video :)

[@Cody_michael]

Good video. Wish you would have asked about the “hydration” sups like LMNT. I find them to be overpriced salt 🤷‍♂️. Keep at it sir!

[@myskina11]

Plant protein doesn’t rebuild muscle tissue, use egg, micellar casein, milk or whey proteins. In that order or a blend of those

[@nickdefrancis]

Great video. Would have loved to hear him talk about caffeine as a general drug/tool but super interesting stuff. Time to buy more eggs and salmon.

[@Harrison881]

What a great collab!

[@chazott]

not sure if Dave will respond to comments here, but what about algae oil instead of fish oil due to its superior environmental impacts? I've heard it's better for you actually, like taking out the middle man (the fish) and less likely to cause the gross burbs / digestion issues.

[@snake_plant]

I think coat is an issue. With the exception of some premium high priced algae oils, many simply have much less EPA/DHA in which are the key parts of the omega 3. For example I take a high EPA/DHA fish oil that costs about a tenner a month - to get the same levels from algae where I live I'd need to spend 3-4x that amount.

[@climbermacleod]

Take algae n3s if you like but be careful to see that you are getting the sufficient dose - many (perhaps all, but I'm happy to be shown otherwise) supplements have low amounts of DHA/EPA per serving. Middle men in ecosystems are a good thing!

[@brekkoh]

I think everyone concerned with their level of protein intake should watch the Zoe episode with Christopher Gardner. Basically the recommended values are above the optimal values for 90% of the population, but thats done on purpose so that it can meet the needs of 90% of the population, but it also means 10% are falling short, and it's different from person to person. What they arrive at is that, on average, everyone is already getting more than enough protein.

[@franciscohernandezlucas5423]

Dave MacLeod, from the clan MacLeod, right before he lops your head off, because there can be only one.

[@sonja3204]

Loved this video!

[@MP-bx3uj]

Dave is the BEST 🤩👏

[@cornball1111]

Lol did you chalk up before filming the intro 😂