The Uncertain Future of Sony's Spider-Man Universe

[@captainmidnight]

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[@SIZModig]

I don't think Sony could do a proper good story without Marvel at all, but the least worse idea would be to pit their villains against each other - maybe someone plays them and hope that they will destroy each other. Or have someone hire them to do a job, a heist or Suicide Squad style.

[@greedowins]

I doubt it, but I'm all for them continuing to try and fail - #rootkit #neverforget

[@vojtechhoracek7923]

Of course, but only if they hire good writers and keep their ideas, instead of forcing bullsit on them that looks good in the trailers...

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

They should sell all the movie rights to Disney MCU. Preferably after finishing the Spider Verse.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@greedowins What about #learnfromit?

[@bigcat7508]

"Madame Web, I need you to distract Knull."

[@Jack-sy8mr]

Madame Web: **wheelchair wheelie**

[@MasterChakra7]

"Knull, have you heard the story of my mother ?"

[@andrewbrito9096]

That’s something. Maybe she can spin Morbius in her chair to do the comic accurate tennis ball special.

[@wickdaline8668]

More like Knull will distract us from MW.

[@legen_dario]

Even after the Sinister Six's continued efforts, Knull's forces have managed to invade Earth. The King in Black watches his enemies as they consider what action they should take next. A horde of evil aliens begins to emerge from a portal and attack ferociously... Something must be done. *Vulture:* Alright, pay close attention. Until we can close the portal, our priority is containment. Venom, I want you up high. Eyes on everything. Observe and identify patterns. Madame Web, I need you to distract Knull. Kraven and I will stay on the ground and keep the fight going here. And Morbius... _It's Morbin Time._ *Morbius smiles mischievously just before he goes off destroying countless enemies.*

[@prowthegamer]

I just want it to stop. Just stop bro and let these villains naturally develop in Holland’s films.

[@GreggNowhere]

Nah, stop these and also stop the Holland films. Stop them all.

[@AurumEtAes]

@@GreggNowhereyes I could do without more Spider-Boy. Even if he’s not going to be Stark tech Spider-Boy anymore, I’m ready for a more gritty and grownup take on Peter Parker now. We’ll never get that from the MCU. I don’t think we’ll get more interesting Spider-Man movies until we’ll after the MCU finally gets wrapped up.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Nah, connect them to Tony Stark for umpteenth time.

[@YungLanxx]

@@AurumEtAes you clearly missed the last Spider-Man film and get off on your own pessimism and loathing but that’s okay 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@AurumEtAes]

I saw it. Yes it was better than the first Tom Spidey film, which straight up sucked. And we are presumably done with the Stark tech suit and Mr Stark wide eyed acolyte stuff, which as bud totally weird to me as someone who did read Marvel comics as a kid. I’ve seen enough of Tom as Spider-Man and the tone of the MCU to know that this take on the web slinger isn’t ever go to be a favourite. Pessimism and loathing is very exaggerated and dramatic language. Tom Holland is not indispensable to Spider-Man. Maybe you disagree and think Sony and Marvel can’t do without him. That’s fine. He seems like a nice guy and his movies have been very successful. But he needs Peter Parker more than the character needs him. He’s still not really scored any notable box office hits for outside of the MCU. He was likeable in Uncharted, but basically the same as he is in Spider-Man. Not exactly a breakout star making turn for him and I assume that a sequel would cost more money and make less.

[@user-im8ru2bt7u]

Sony is so incompetent it hurts

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@somerandolad]

They are about as incompetent as WB.

[@strife9878]

Not really , although shitty. They’re actually smart for creating cheap content and then resell it to other streaming platforms

[@mudkipfan2420]

Not as incompetent as marvel post 2019

[@OneShot-nu6nj]

not their televison department. the film side is hit or miss, but the television department has been really well done and i;m excited to see Spider-Noir.

[@cinemaarts8795]

I think you're right about Tom Holland, most insiders have said that he (and Marvel) wants to take the series in a more street-level, mature direction and have Kingpin be the villain. However Sony wants a repeat of NWH and is pushing for a world-shaking event and unfortunately I get the impression that Knull was always intended to be the main threat in Spider-Man 4 if Sony gets their way.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

And fans will show up regardless. Just jiggling some fan service and Easter eggs in front of them is enough

[@PurabEditz]

I think they should make Spider-Man 5 a team up with venom as after secret wars all universes will be one timeline and spiderman 4 street level

[@TheFunnyGuy9000]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Venom 3 - 39% box office. Yikes

[@user-tt7ds6oo4b]

@@TheFunnyGuy9000 Tom Holland is a horrible actor and even worse Spiderman. Maguire was on point, Garfield was really good, Holland along with Zendaya are the worst duo by far.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@user-tt7ds6oo4b true, and it's even worse that the only thing his version offers is "he's a kid." That's pretty much. That he's younger than the other 2. His stories aren't impressive. They didn't bother to give him his world within the MCU.

[@connie4334]

“Morbius I’m just a blind paramedic and we’re out numbered what are we gonna do?!” “It’s morbin time”

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Please for the love of God let MCU Spider-Man be street level. I would gladly welcome a movie where he teams up with Daredevil and other street level heroes, then a forced team up with Sony's Venom. 🙏

[@johnoghomi1080]

I wholeheartedly agree! I much rather have Sony leave Marvel Studios to reinvent their own version of Venom - have the relationship between MCU Peter Parker and the Symbiote being built up through the course of the next trilogy for the MCU Spider Man trilogy (specifically for Spider Man 5 and 6), this way it’ll generate a lot of hype for the fans wanting to see a proper Spider Man vs Venom film yah know. Pace it similar to what The Spectacular Spider TV Show did. It’s not that hard….but Sony….ugh!

[@1mclv]

a sad movie where Peter is alone and struggling a lot, then he finds the symbiote but he doesn't lose it by the end of the movie. In the mvoie we would have a team up of black suit spidey with black cat, a girl that keeps spidey company but leaves Peter alone. While dealing with the Kingpin

[@stellviahohenheim]

The Marvel committee have already gone

[@Whatacomedian_]

Naw. We're past that. Go watch spectacular spiderman or something..

[@Hollowfication96]

i’m afraid this ship has already sailed

[@StuartLugsden]

Sony's Sinister 6: Dakota Johnson Jared Leto Kraven the animal lover Rhino El Muerto Stolen MCU Vulture The villain: Knull This is exactly what I wanted. Thanks Avi Arad.

[@harrisont2004]

Probably ressurected Venom instead of El Muerto but yup 😭

[@SuprousOxide]

@@StuartLugsden If the sinister 6 isn't fighting spider-man, I don't care

[@StuartLugsden]

@@SuprousOxide I don't care either way because its Sony.

[@Shadowpaw67]

When people say "Oh, this superhero has a great rogues gallery!" is doesn't mean those characters are necessarily good on their own- it means they're good as a part of and in conversation with the character they oppose. Like, Kraven isn't a compelling character because he is on his own, he's compelling because he's a force that fights unconventionally and puts Spider-Man on a back foot where he has to think different or resort to tactics he otherwise wouldn't consider

[@radrno7]

Any character under the right treatment can work on their own. Just look at Peacemaker. Nobody, NOBODY, ever even heard about him, but thanks to James Gunn, he turned into a big title for DC. Spidey villains are always changing as well, just look at Venom, he was meant to be just a villain but he became a big antihero (even if he hasn't got a good adaptation at that). It's all a matter of quality, if only Sony knew what that is...

[@HandOn-c40009]

​@@radrno7you definitely right but at some point would it be better just making original character? like when the character is obsequre enough to not have marketing potential and need to be altered enough that it become standalone. for example Kraven unlike character like Venom has iconic design that would get people to watch the movie(like me, my only exposure of venom was the ps1 game and ultimate spiderman on ps2) because Venom just cool but for Kraven you need to alter him a lot to be a standalone movie that lead to sinister six movie without spiderman, like at that point why not make original IP "loosely" based on spiderman and his character and start off fresh?

[@radrno7]

@@HandOn-c40009 That is just a matter of adaptation AND exposure. Venom is only as famous as he is because almost every version of Spider-Man has him, mostly because of the symbiote suit story. If Kraven was more present in Spider-Man media, everyone would know him. Just look at Vulture and Mysterio, both in multiple cartoons, games and movies, that's what Spidey rogues gallery should be getting. Keep giving them more spotlight and audiences will grow interest.

[@shawerful5209]

Not every character needs a movie or series, but that doesnt mean that it cant work. Peacemaker, moon knight, Andor are all amazing

[@oneovertwo1186]

Superior Foes of Spider-Man would be a good place to look at in the comics for a Spider-Man villains story with minimal Spider-Man in it.

[@rorylynch7775]

They literally own the rights to all spiderman related characters. If they cant use peter parker and have to make movies to keep the rights, they could make a live action movie about Miles Morales, Spider-Gwen or 2099. 2099 would be easy because its in the future so they dont even have to worry about continuity. Instead they gives us Kraven, Morbius, Madame Web and 3 Venom Movies, none of which have spiderman

[@jackalackb17]

The contract with Disney must be ridiculous if they cant use any of those options or the countless others like Ben Riley and May Parker, but it seems like they cant even say the name Peter Parker. Agent Venom does look like a spiderman and would be a good option, but who knows if they're even allowed.

[@devofficialchannel]

They could've used so many other Spideys that aren't Peter Parker (or connected to him). 2099 and Hobie Brown would fit the gritter setting and help stand out from the more lighthearted MCU Peter Parker.

[@eftalanquest]

9:28 didn't they even trick some of their stars into thinking they were in an mcu movie? most notably dakota johnson

[@Hollowfication96]

more likely hollywood stars don’t care enough to know those kind of stuff and they simply assumed they were in the big cinematic thing

[@JayJay-17]

That’s what’s been alleged based off what some of the cast of Spiderwoman have said/posted in the past. Apparently Dakota even fired her manager/agent after Spiderwoman.

[@eon001]

I had a idea to turn all the Sony spiderverse movies into Blumhouse horror films,and tell the stories from the pov of a detective or beat cop. Imagine Morbious as a vampire horror movie played from the POV of Tyrese character. You make it for like 10 million, keep the Spiderman rights, and let an indie filmmaker takes some risks.

[@st1cklr]

this is actually a super cool idea

[@eon001]

@@st1cklr If you watch The Venom short film "TRUTH IN JOURNALISM [BOOTLEG UNIVERSE]" or "THE SPIDER | Horror Spider-Man Fan Film", That's the tone that could work. Wouldn't cost Sony any money to make. Low risk and high return.

[@jarg8]

That's the concept that McFarlane has been talking about doing with Spawn for over a decade. Anyways, Sony Pictures? Indie filmmakers? Risks? This company is literally unable to make a good movie. Everything they make wreaks of 30+ executives being picky and overly controlling until the "product" is whittled down to a nub. There is no such thing as creativity in a sony movie.

[@MisterSketch4]

This would be perfect! 🤩 Imagine madam web as the villain of her own R-rated story where she kidnaps or tortures people to affect the future. This would be amazing. I don’t think Sony would ever do this but it’s a great idea and one I would love to see happen.

[@eon001]

@@MisterSketch4 Or if Madame Web simply followed the Final Destination idea, but had her team up with Tyrese detective character and she's a psychic consultant, and they were hunting the scorpion or something. It doesn't have to be anymore extravagant than that. You could make it for under 10 million.

[@Eidlones]

Disney's never going to allow a direct connection to the Sony-verse outside of an offhand joke (which is only there in exchange for getting something they really wanted). The MCU is already in a bad place, they aren't going to connect it to an even WORSE received series of movies. There's literally nothing to be gained, and everything to lose.

[@StuartLugsden]

The smartest thing they can do is give up and sell the rights back after Spideverse 3.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

It's simple Get rid of AVI ARAD and put Phil Lord and Chris Miller in charge of everything

[@willyperez2475]

Yes OMG Yes🎉🎉

[@Aviator-Chicken]

For a guy who has caused so many issues with Spider-Man you’d think he already would be gone I mean he’s responsible for killing the Toby trilogy, Andrew’s chances at a franchise, AND LITERALLY EVERY ISSUE WITH TOM HOLLAND’S SPIDER-MAN. Oh and every Sony Spidey spin off. So sick of his bs man

[@freezasama5802]

Yeah but they also mistreat their animators

[@rorylynch7775]

The only 2 good things Avi Arad has ever contributed to the Spiderman films was suggesting Spot as the main villain of ATSV and Vetoing a love triangle story between Peter, MJ and Doc Ock in Spiderman 2

[@StuartLugsden]

Better idea Give up and sell the rights back to Marvel after Spiderverse 3.

[@HellfireClub242]

I have no idea why Sony just doesn't concentrate on Miles Morales. Have Peter Parker in the MCU. And Sony have Miles Morales in the Sony verse. He's already cemented in Sony due to the Spider-Verse. It would make sense to have a live action Miles Morales. And have the Symbiotes cross with Morales.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@david88464]

Avi Arad, but also they likely have some contractual thing with Marvel Studios (Due to their deal), if Sony was able to use a live-action Spider-Man in these terrible films they would have shoehorned him in everything, but they couldn't even name Peter Parker in Madame Web.

[@jackalackb17]

@@david88464 Yeah its really weird that they cant have ANY Spiderman or even reference him. Miles, 2099, Gwen, Ben Riley, May Parker and so many others they could use but dont and it must be because of an airtight contract with Disney that really screwed them over. I guess the next logical option is Agent Venom, who at least looks a lot like a spiderman for trailers etc, but who knows if they even have the rights for that.

[@BtheGoldenNinjaBGN]

There is currently a live-action Miles Morales movie in development by Sony presumably set in their villain verse.

[@ryszakowy]

literal recipe for instant flops we are sick and tired them trying to replace peter with miles colgate kid is straight up boring especially with entire selection of additional powers

[@GenerationWest]

Sony just needs to... Stop.

[@eon001]

I feel No Way Home gave Sony so many new options with Maguire and Garfield. They could keep Holland with Disney, and do whatever mad goofy idea in their own universe. Basically sell guns to both sides. They could even cast a brand new Peter Parker like, Josh Hutcherson.

[@Eidlones]

I'm willing to bet part of the conditions of the contract is that Sony can't use ANY Spider-Man in live action. Not just Peter Parker Spider-Man

[@eon001]

@Eidlones yea. Sadly I feel that's the case. Venom vs Spiderman would have made a billion.

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

Sony fucked over Tobey and Andrew they likely wouldn’t come back unless Disney was involved. The best I can see if them making a May-Day movie set in Tobey’s universe that vaguely references the original trilogy.

[@TevyaSmolka]

I personally don’t want Sony to do any of this crap like at all.

[@goldsearcher7606]

I hope Spider-Man 4 is street-level and sees Spider-Man team up with Charlie Cox’s Daredevil and that movie is to Avengers: Doomsday & Avengers: Secret Wars what Ant-Man and the Wasp was to Avengers: Infinity War & Avengers: Endgame.

[@johnoghomi1080]

A lot of people are wanting this. You’re not the only one in this camp lol

[@vesha6274]

Not happening dude, Sony is going to try to capitalize on all the multiverse/Battleworld stuff that Doomsday is going to create

[@goldsearcher7606]

@ I don’t think so

[@TheFunnyGuy9000]

@@vesha6274 Venom 3 - 39% box office. Yikes. Do you think Knull will be dumped for Kingpin?

[@vesha6274]

@@TheFunnyGuy9000 I don't think we're gonna be seeing either tbh

[@jbgreviews855]

Super smart idea to throw Andrew back in the mix with old school villains of his past. But I would think Garfield is smarter than to gamble with Sony at the wheel again. I honestly said the same thing for Tom Hardy, before he was cast as Venom..

[@sullyproductions5757]

Garfield has stated in many interviews many times he’ll come back only if the script and everything is right. So I doubt he’ll come back to be in this universe but if they back up the brinks trucks who knows 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@MsIvalane]

I dunno, it looks like Hardy is having a great time just dinking around.

[@Iztari]

They should just make The Amazing Spider-Man 3, set it a decade later from 2. This way we finally get a fully experienced Spider-Man on the big screen.

[@ParkerCS2]

Exactly and I’m tired Tom Holland’s version and the bright colorful MCU. Andrew can have quips but his universe otherwise should be more serious. Not dark, just serious. There’s a difference.

[@gregbors8364]

The first two “Amazing” movies sucked and Andrew Garfield’s “too cool for school” take on Parker was completely anti-canon. Sony should just throw in the towel on superhero movies at this point

[@zacharymccoy7091]

No matter what choices Fiege makes, I'll always respect him for wanting to give us a street level Spider-man movie that Sony will never make again.

[@JamailvanWestering]

Hmm I’m still waiting on Tom’s Spider-Man to actually be street level, he hasn’t really been street level at all. Either cosmic or global

[@TheApexLion1234]

I'm sorry, but homecoming exists. I'm sure that's pretty street level

[@JamailvanWestering]

@ it’s not… it’s a more global film

[@75_oranges]

​@@JamailvanWesteringWhat's global about homecoming?

[@radrno7]

​@@TheApexLion1234 Yeah, but that movie was mid because it was a kids movie. We want an adult street level Spider-Man movie.

[@cameroniacobucci]

I’m still hoping Marvel gets full custody of Spider-Man eventually. people want Phil Lord and Christopher Miller to be involved in future Spider-Man projects, and I’m starting to see why and agree with that.

[@RayMcElroy50]

Even with their history of mistreating the animators There seems to be no other option

[@cameroniacobucci]

@ They’re starting to treat their animators better, but I unfortunately see why you say that.

[@DarkLord-hl1fi]

Never happening move on dude

[@indianaCurtis]

Disney needs to give Sony a blank check for however much it'll take to get spiderman back and then tell them to get lost 🙄

[@StuartLugsden]

THIS. Give the rights back to Marvel because everyone has had enough of Sony at this point.

[@DankyDre420]

Spider-Man and maybe jumanji are the only cash cows sony has so it’ll prolly never happen in our lifetime 😭

[@rohitrao323]

Agreed, but ideally after Beyond the Spiderverse sees the light of day🙏

[@Blasckk]

@@DankyDre420 Disney: How much for the character? Sony: It's not for sale. Disney: Okay, then how much for the whole company?

[@rebel2191]

No check would be worth the most popular superhero in the world

[@anubusx]

A Drew Goddard helmed comicbook film is something i would like to see

[@KingOfMadCows]

If Sony is dead set on making their Spider-Man adjacent universe, they should just let Lord and Miller run it. They've made the best Spider-Man movies. Also, they really should do a street level Spider-Man and Daredevil vs. Kingpin as soon as they can. Vincent D'Onofrio is 65, I don't think he's going to play Kingpin for that much longer.

[@fullmetalbleachnote]

Not happening. They are already sick and tired of working on this IP and the spider verse trilogy isn't even over yet.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

The future of Spider-Man in general from the comics, video games, shows, movie, and every other departments appears uncertain.

[@DarkLord-hl1fi]

Wdym there’s a lot of Spider-Man stuff coming in the future

[@strongbone9471]

i want a tom holland spiderman movie where the villain is a tom holland spiderman villain. not a villain that was created out of something Tony Stark did and spider man inherited Tony's beef, or a villain that was put in his universe from a different spider man's universe.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Exactly! They've done nothing to actually build up Holland Spiderman's world. No Oscorp. No villains of his owns. His love interests are boring and don't matter. Took him an entire trilogy to finally understand what it means to be Spiderman. What a waste.

[@strongbone9471]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp the whole understanding to be spider man thing has always bugged me. like why did tom holland's spider man even became spider man in the first place?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@strongbone9471 Well, that skipped over his origin in Civil War in a way that suggested he already learned Uncle Ben's lesson. Then they never let him actually be Spiderman until the end of the 3rd film. They kept acting like he never learned the lesson. It wasted the trilogy.

[@Maitch3000]

I think of NWH as Holland's origin story. It was actually pretty clever skipping the uncle Ben stuff, which had been done to death

[@strongbone9471]

@Maitch3000 it was petty clever skipping his origin story? That's like having batman's parents die in the third film as a way to show him understanding what it means to be batman. What was the point in him even becoming batman in the first place?

[@Dohsoda]

Spider-Man 4 should be about the Vulture, the Scorpion, and Black Cat. Just say Vulture got blasted back to the MCU somehow, don't worry about it. We all need more Michael Keaton in our lives.

[@RayMcElroy50]

I wouldn't be surprised if they go back with the plan for a street-level story because Venom 3 and Kraven bombed at the box-office

[@11bg00]

Sony: "Get me six Spider-Man villains with attitude!" Morbius: "Its Morbin time!" "Scorpion!" "Vulture!" "Rhino!" "Octopus!" "Goblin!" "Hunter!" Morbius: "Wait, Hunter?"

[@VideoClubRandom]

Honestly, I think you're thinking about these post-credit scenes WAY more than Sony ever did...

[@harrisont2004]

Low key I’m actually hopeful Sony keeps Knull in their universe and away from the MCU. The less they interfere with the MCU spiderman the better. Then they’ll make their terrible sinister six and it’ll bomb and hopefully that’ll be the last nail in the coffin and they’ll stop that universe, maybe just focus on live action spiderverse stuff.

[@JoeChillton]

Fire Arad Rothman Pascal And get Lord and Miller to be the architects. Simple

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#LordMiller4TASM

[@MisterSketch4]

Yes!

[@may21136]

Avi arad is the reason venom is popular.

[@GetSmartish]

Is there anything Sony COULD do to win me over? To be annoyingly philosophical, that is up to Sony and I think THEY'VE made the answer clear: no. The honchos at Sony cooking in the live-action kitchen have made it ludicrously clear that they are INCAPABLE of producing anything that can win me over. They just can't do it.

[@jyce7375]

It’s only surviving on nostalgia and while it’s was exciting at first it’s starting to become a problem in the long run!

[@david88464]

Spider-Man and Zelda have now a common nemesis: Avi Arad

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@radrno7]

You can add Naruto and Nathan Drake to that list lol

[@PokeMario-pk4ot]

I'm sure the zelda movie will be fine. Sure Avi Arad is attached, but it's nintendo, they won't let a script fly unless they approve of it

[@chrisosborn6401]

Sony setting up the Sinister Six. "How many times do we have teach you this lesson, old man?"

[@xxpiweexx2614]

They don't "want" to make these movies. They contractually need too. They keep the rights with them based on the contract that was signed when they purchased the spiderman movie rights. End of the day, these movies will always be mid to dogshit because they are tax write offs while serving the purpose of keeping the rights on their side of the court. The cost to make a flop or to lose the rights is a no brainer.

[@pablocasas5906]

Though to be fair, these Venom movies are at financially successful, the video mentioned that Venom 3 was underperforming at the box-office but in the last week it actually performed quite well, not Venom 1 levels, but I think it will gross more than 2 (which came out during the pandemic)

[@claytonrios1]

It's going nowhere fast. I'm sure Knull will have nothing happen with him at all.

[@JoeChillton]

Knull is too big a villian to just plop on this abortion a series too. And with no Spider-Man too

[@claytonrios1]

​@@JoeChilltonThe MCU is just gonna keep him for now of course.

[@connie4334]

1:21 I subscribed years ago and I never got a thank you 😡😂

[@dm3889]

🤣🤣

[@oscarangel2989]

"Eminem, we need that you and Big Wheel distract Knull and the Red Goblin"

[@Jamie28754]

Can we finally admit that the entire Venom trilogy is awful

[@adamchalmers5876]

Spiderman villains are only interesting when written to bounce off of Spider-Man, or in a deeper way, mirror Peter Parker in a way.

[@cinemaarts8795]

Think of this; Alan Ritchson and Matthew Lillard as Venom and Carnage respectively

[@DarkLord-hl1fi]

More like Cameron Monaghan as Cleatus than Mathew

[@bensneb360]

I just want to see MCU’s Spider-Man 4 be Peter in a street level story of him verses Scorpion and Kingpin, with maybe Black Cat (played by Sydney Sweeney), that would make me just the happiest Spidy fan in the world

[@adblue8955]

I'm waiting for the superhero movie version of Heavens Gate to finally just kill this genre for a while

[@shibumi8]

What Sony needs to do is stop trying to force a cinematic universe. Especially if they’re not willing to even put the bare minimum to plan it out. I mean these guys have actually complained about not having enough heroes or villains to work with and I’ve seen several series from yesteryears that beg to differ. I’d love to see Goddard’s script finally see the light of day but I have feeling even if the stars did align in a way to make it possible, Sony would still backseat drive it into something borderline unwatchable. Honestly it would probably work better as an animated film since it’s inspired by the traditional done-in-one annual issue. But they seem dead set on it being live action and the culmination event of different films.

[@mp3_prod]

So glad cap mentioned his subscriber goal for about seven seconds. He literally caught my attention long enough for me to realize that after watching for four years, I hadn't subscribed.

[@PrestonHerron-z3z]

We need to stop blaming Sony and start blaming Avi

[@SuperFlik]

Honestly, while I like all of Spidey's villains, I only like them because they're *Spidey's* villains. Much like Disney's live action villain movies, I have no interest in these characters outside of the context that makes them interesting: Being Spider-Man villains. I also hope Spider-Man 4 has fuck all to do with the Multiverse. The MCU should just let that idea die already.

[@Domihork]

I honestly don't get what they're doing and how they're failing so hard... How is it possible that Venom-verse and Spiderverse are from the same studio?

[@SouljaBoyStrife]

You could have Garfield’s Spider-Man play chess for an entire movie and I’d be there night one. Just give him his final movie Sony

[@TigerBloodDiabetic]

Just give us a 4th Tobey Maguire spidey movie. So many opportunities there to tell a different take on the story than the Tom Holland ones with an older spider-man who has more/different responsibilities now.

[@IntentChief]

I’d love Mr Negative in a smaller scale Spider-Man movie, similar to ps4 Spider-Man with the shelter in a storyline

[@DarkLord-hl1fi]

Not rn dawg

[@Tomy574]

I think Sony want the Knull cameo to lead into the next Spider-Man movie, I don't think it'll happen, but I'd say that was their intention when they added it.

[@abimifoluwamark5566]

Anyone else sydney sweeney playing black cat is so cool

[@EverettBurger]

We want to see Peter saving cats from trees, not beating mulitiverse cosmic gods that are in the make-up chair for hours.

[@nichtimchor]

With Rino already teased in the Kraven trailers, I think they are still in love with the Sinister Six concept

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

I hope the Spider-Man noir show with Nicolas Cage is good

[@BOABModels]

The Sony villain films are like those mockbuster films you see sold as DVDs or on prime or Netflix, pretending to be something they aren't.

[@grandmoffporkins]

Sony needs to finish Spider-Verse. The first one won the friggin Oscar. Get on it. Sheesh.

[@jesssandoval9100]

Tbh seeing spider man start from square one, being completely on his own and falling into the symbiote’s hax/security would go off.

[@Rnyargd]

I’m pretty convinced that Sony keeps making subpar films to tarnish the Marvel brand, which in turn hurts the Disney/Marvel brand.

[@sly2076]

I finally figured out that captainmidnight sounds exactly like Collin Robinson from what we do in the shadows.

[@Maitch3000]

I wonder if they are still working on that Aunt May solo movie

[@Luke101]

Kraven is gonna BOMB bro lol

[@captainmidnight]

Probably

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

In my honest opinion; Knull the Symbiote God, Lord of the Abyss, King in Black, Venom's "Thanos" should have appeared in 1998. One decade exactly after Venom.

[@radrno7]

He does seem a product of that time. All that pointless 90s teenage angst and edge in shape of rockstar looking villain.

[@yrsa7637]

Sony could win me over 1000% if they just sold the rights to marvel.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

They should've just made an Agent Venom movie that's loosely connected to the Amazing Spiderman movies using the same Flash Thompson actor.

[@charliepeppers1165]

Huge fan of your channel! Small request- Could you make a video about something you unabashedly love soon? The last couple have been about things you don’t particularly care for, which is cool; yet, I appreciate your insight about why things work Just my two cents!

[@nitsuj182]

No , there’s no Sony villain movie I would want to see at this point ! They’ve already lied about Spiderman tie ins several times now! I don’t believe anything they’re selling . I’ll stick with the MCU

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

I’m all tired out on all superhero movies except maybe Deadpool since that’s just 90% comedy and less superhero film. But why not a GROWN UP PETER PARKER film? I think that would be the most interesting fresh take on any superhero film so far. Peter Parker as an adult with a family- make it more drama and less comedy. More gritty and more reason for him to be brought back as a superhero or more at stake for him. You can even use either of the scores of the first two Spider-Man franchises - Andrew Garfield or Tobey Maguire

[@moonmancastro]

they need to recast spiderman already

[@TheJohnWhites]

I'm gonna guess Sony makes the wrong choice

[@RollinBones]

Spider-Man needs a square-one, street level reset as a streaming series

[@rossbooth4635]

I understand what Sony is trying to do. They're working with what they have the rights to. It's easy to forget that in 2008, the MCU only had access to what were b-tier characters in broader pop culture at the time.

[@adamsvette]

Elder scrolls 6, half life 3, and the sinister six vs spider man in live action on the big screen are 3 things we all want, but will never happen

[@stargazer3424]

Studios relying less and less on main superheroes in an era of fatigue is a terrible move.

[@Whiteythereaper]

There's something else you're missing here: where the fuck is Freshman Year? All that talk of Norman Osborn being the Tony Stark in that series and the intriguing nature of what the plan was and it's just Armor-Wars'd

[@JROTCBALL]

I subbed with ur last Spider-Man video :) GL!

[@uzumaki2689]

"Maybe if Kraven is a big hit".. 😂😂😂

[@VultureTheGoat]

My theory is that they are going to do a final fight movie in the future using some characters including the ones we have currently with the main villain being knull. Heroes/anti heroes: Venom Kraven Morbius Madam web Vulture (if he stays in long enough) Spider-man (maybe) Villain Knull Characters I would like to see Green goblin Tinkerer Lizard Prowler Miles morales Doc ock Sandman Electro Mysterio Scorpion

[@Kizaru3314]

I really wish they had gone with the R-rated Venom movie clearly Hardy, as well as fans, wanted. I think that's primarily the reason why Venom 1 was a big earner. Fans wanted to see him as the character, and they seemed to be taking it seriously based on the trailers.

[@deadmanthehekatonkheire994]

'Nuff said. 🕊🕊🕊🕊

[@bboyfan22]

You can do these Villain movies but you need Spider-Man to show up occasionally to annoy, foil and occasionally team up with them. It doesn't need to be a Spider-Man movie but he needs to be there at least some of the time

[@nothisispatrick6528]

Venom 3 is actually doing pretty good at the box office. It’s just not doing very well in the US

[@jeremiahbell6129]

If they can't have Spider-Man be the lead, for some reason, at least give us a cool Ghost Spider or a sexy Silk. It's so annoying that "superhero" movies can't have... heroes.

[@ParkerCS2]

The TASM universe needs to be brought back. Have that be Sony’s universe where they can have an established spider man and also do their villain spin offs as well.

[@StevenJG]

What to do with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man 4? Just have Peter trying to balance studying with his patrols, struggling to connect with people till meeting this world’s version of Harry. One night on patrol he runs into Black Cat and/or Prowler who were hired by Fisk to do various crimes. Later on he teams up with Daredevil. They take Fisk down. Close the film with a final swing to lead into Doomsday/Secret Wars, with a tease of the MCU symbiote sneaking its way onto Peter’s suit. What to do with these Sony projects other than Spiderverse? Just stop. It clearly hasn’t been working.

[@muffinman3052]

This is far too logical and reasonable for Sony to ever consider it.

[@mattvoiceman]

I think of a Garfield led spider-man who befriends Miles Morales. The remaining piece of the venom symbiote latches to Peter, Peter rejects the Symbiote, latches to universe appropriate Eddie Brock, Pete team up with miles, Deus ex Machina, defeat Venom. Peter passing the torch to Miles with emotion.The symbiote is dead. Or is it? Cue Credits.

[@maxordman4100]

Thank you for addressing these concerns. I would so love to see them bring Andrew back! This “Sony verse” is so cringey! Good job on this video. Avi Arad needs to be fired soon! The worst part is they’re also heavily focused on trying to repeat whatever seems to be a success. Like right now they’re stuck on imitating NWH. However they fail to realize that what the fans loved about that movie was seeing three different Spider-men share the screen together because they were all versions of the same character who multiple people were invested with, but these other teams from the more recent movies are just characters who’ve been thrown together. It’s not the same and it never will be. Sony desperately needs to bring Andrew back! Either that or focus on a different Spider character!

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

Tom Hardy is the entire reason the Venom films have had any appeal. People forget he's a damn good actor that loves cheesedick roles...I mean look at how he put on 30 lbs of muscle for Bane...orr his lunacy in Bronson.

[@russelloats]

I'll just never understand Sony's thought process in all of this. There was nothing wrong with making stand alone villain movies. But you have to understand that they are villains. They are bad guys. Not anti-heros. Let Kraven be a psychopath who hunts people cause he's bored of hunting animals, then attack his father's enterprise cause he dared to stop his hunt. Have Morpheus be a tragic villain. He craves blood and kills innocent people and slowly loses his mind. Let Venom actually eat people's heads off. Let the bad guys get away so you can feel all the more better when Spiderman shows up, tries to reason with them, beats them, and gets them arrested. Also, put in the effort to hire good writers and directors who love/respect the comics and characters. And if they're scared they're not gonna make their money back by making them PG13, there are ways around the rating or just make it R. It all just seems like a money laundering scheme with how badly produced the Sonyverse has been. It really is an enigma in film history.

[@TheSwordsman100]

See this is where you are mostly wrong but it isn't your fault because adaptions not wanting to adapt Venom properly has utterly warped the public's perception. In the source material aka the comics Venom and Morbius are not villains, sure both started that way but Morbius is a anti-hero that is a major part of the Midnight Sons, (which included Ghost Rider, Blade and Dr. Strange) while Eddie not only has spent most of his life as a character as a good guy, unlike Morbius Venom graduated to full heroism. How good is Eddie? Eddie in Marvel comics is worthy of Thor's Hammer and being Captain Universe, they two biggest good guy honors you can have in Marvel full stop. As for the R rating, while I can't strictly speak for all Morbius comics, (I mostly read Venom) Venom comics as befitting a Spider-Man spin off character never got a mature rating. The whole biting heads off ins't even a Eddie thing its a Mac and Flash thing, as Eddie refused and ate chocolate instead. (Though aside from that, the design and of course no Spidey due to skipping to the Venom comics proper they are remarkably faithful considering Venom doesn't get adapted well normally) As a Venom comic reader these movies were a delightful breath of fresh air, I haven't fully enjoyed a video based adaption since the 90s cartoon. (As while Ultimate Spider-Man would fix a majority of their mistakes with Venom after introducing Agent Venom, Harry, Anti-Venom and the different things they do with Carnage bring the show down)

[@cactusface6404]

You nailed it. Sony only has access to use these edgy fringe villains but they also want their movies to be as marketable as possible, so you get this weird tone where it’s supposed to be scary and dark but nothing scary or dark happens because the movie has to be PG rated so they can make more money and it ends up being boring like Morbius or unintentionally funny like Venom or just a mess like Madame Web. Unless the executive side of Sony completely removes themselves from the creative process they will never make a good film with these characters. Never. Let’s hope at some point they give up and sell the rights to more competent film studios.

[@TheSwordsman100]

@@cactusface6404 Are you serious? Fringe? Dude not only has Eddie been a good guy for more of his life, he has outsold Spider-Man. While the Midnight Sons were also a popular team (Morbius isn't a villain either) Just because you don't read comics and/or they were before your time doesn't make something fringe. Venom isn't dark because the comics they were adapting aren't. Instead they are quite goofy, especially when written by Larry Hama.

[@cactusface6404]

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[@cactusface6404]

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[@Extinguisher10]

No way the Insidious Six puts up any real resistance to Knull.

[@TrumbullComic]

I have absolutely no interest in movies about Spider-Man villains without Spider-Man in them. Hell, I'm barely interested in Madame Web or Morbius even if you put Spider-Man in their movies.

[@loganwarne8204]

How was I not Subbed! Great content Captain!

[@serenadesilhout]

As a fan I just don't care anymore. What is the point of these movies if there's no spiderman? The sad thing is they have the ability to make a great movie, they just refuse to do so. It feels like mid-90's superhero stuff when those movies were mad bad on purpose.

[@logancady4359]

I just want Sony to give the rights over man. If they don’t care to make a good movie, then I don’t care to watch it. And even, these characters don’t work without spiderman