THE VILLAINS OF BATMAN FOREVER

Tommy Lee Jones was far from a stellar Harvey Dent / Two Face ---- but there were some redeemable aspects to Batman Forever's interpretation of this iconic baddie.
Today, we're here to look back at them.
The Riddler has been one of Batman 's most clever and yet goofy enemies.
Jim Carrey got his chance in the role in 1995 's Batman Forever ... but was he any good?
" We'll find out today ! "
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[@anubusx]

Funny how Jim Carrey plays green characters a lot.

[@PureMaddnessOne]

Now i want a Jim Carrey as a Hulk.

[@anubusx]

@@PureMaddnessOne That would be brilliant.

[@PureMaddnessOne]

@@anubusx He would make a better Bruce Banner than ruffalo as well. But still he can play another guy with Hulk powers as well, actually a Hulk that acts like Jim Carrey could be funny.

[@tybo8377]

He was orange in dumb and dumber

[@chrisrae2238]

Mask, Grinch, Riddler

[@scottvincent184]

My first introduction to Two Face was Batman the animated series, and his first scene was mesmerizing to me, when he and his team missed a vault in the bank being robbed, flips his coin and says "leave it", immediately he became my favorite villian of all time!

[@ThePerradox]

I don't really despise, Batman forever, I save that for Batman & Robin.

[@martinbabich1920]

I save the hate for Fant4stic

[@jamesbounds]

What I like about this Two Face is him having two girlfriends. One for each side. I'm surprised it's not done more often for him.

[@mrcritical6751]

They have apparently brought those two into the main comics now

[@jamesbounds]

@@mrcritical6751 Nice

[@ThePerradox]

Tommy Lee Jones at the time of Batman Forever could have been an amazing Norman Osborn.

[@spacemanspiralcatzero]

During Dark Reign they modeled Osborn many times after Tommy Lee Jones.

[@asurlybarber3620]

And the way Jones portrayed Two-Face would have actually been more suited to Green Goblin's manic personality.

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

He would have gave every other Goblin in cartoon or live action

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

The villains of _Batman Forever_ are Joker by way of Twoface and Joker by way of Riddler... and I still love 'em. XD

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

*Addendum:* I get that Jim Carey's Riddler was based on the OG live action one... that I barely know. Then again, I also don't know the comic Riddler that well. Like many Batman characters, BTAS is what informed me of the character, though I did quite like the one from _The Batman_ series of the mid2000s.

[@mauricemaple1430]

This is exactly what i was trying to say. Couldn't really get my words together. This movie is two characters playing the joker from different angles. Neither was the straight man. On paper this is a great movie but i think Lee Jones didn't even try to be Two Face. Probably no research or direction at all.

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

They both tried for vintage Batman show I bet Vee has my McDonald's mugs for this movie

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

@@emperortrevornorton3119 I at least used to have them. Have to check with my mom and see if she still has any.

[@matthewrosenthal753]

Let’s be honest, Jim Carey was Gorshin on Speed, and the hate that Tommy Lee Jones gets starts and ends with the insistence that this is the same world as Batman and Batman Returns, which established the smooth Billy Dee Willams as Harvey Dent. The difference is obvious.

[@josephsnider8190]

I absolutely loved Forever. Was a huge Batman fan, and Jim Carrey was my idol at the time. Not only was this my favorite of this universe, it gave us one of the greatest songs of all time. Kiss from a Rose 🌹

[@stevenkline6189]

the 90's may be over Vee but this movie is Forever!

[@monkeybone1080]

Forever is still my all-time fav Batman movie. I adore the art direction and love that it has a dark comedy edge to it. I absolutely feel ya on Two Face as well as he's my number one (or is that two?) villain and the design they went for him was perfect. I mean if we're going to have a man run around in bat cosplay then we need the villians to step it up a notch as well, not just have a slightly singed suit lol

[@ThePerradox]

Jim Carrey has far greater range then he often lets out. I feel I must rewatch Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

[@Stevenirons]

I personally think The number 23 gets way too much hate. He really does have range

[@Zeitgeistmusic997]

You think like a baby. Anyone could see that guy had range way before that movie. Your baby level thinking just saw something cartoonish without the depth that allowed that aspect to shine. Maybe you have to be smart to understand what I'm trying to explain but you definitely think on the level of a baby even if there's NO ENGLISH TERMS FOR IT yet.

[@Zeitgeistmusic997]

There's no way that was how they wanted two face. Why? Because they wanted a contrast where two face is kinda like the serious menance and Jim Carey was the more comedic based lighter villain. The director just couldn't check an actor like Tommy Lee Jones and let him do whatever he concluded. That happens a lot but shouldn't. Actors aren't usually thinking about the whole movie, they're just thinking about their character and may miss aspects like the character playing off of someone else campy to be darker. Thinking in a vacuum made that clowning two face. It could have been a great movie where Robin brought lighter tones to interact with Batman and the villains are doing the same thing but the director failed the movie

[@Zeitgeistmusic997]

@24:00 I blocked this movie from my memory and didn't remember the Mark David Chapman and John Lennon parallels

[@nosfonader8792]

Every time I go back to Batman Forever, Tommy Lee Jones shows he would have absolutely killed it as the Joker given his Two Face performance

[@drippler8519]

Tommys goofyness would have been better for Joker

[@SeasideDetective2]

Ironically, and sadly, Jones became very fond of Two-Face when he first learned about the character. I think he was really looking forward to this role. All the "unsanctioned buffoonery" must have left him disillusioned, and discouraged him from bringing to life the Two-Face he would have preferred to portray.

[@ztyran]

I think both villains from this movie are fun, the problem is them together. The pair would work if one of them, preferably Two-Face, was the straight man of the pair. This was shown when Joker and Penguin were together in the sixties show. The novelization of this film helps show that it could work better than it did here.

[@job4391]

The Schumacher Batman movies are an amalgam of the Burton noir Batman and the campy 60s Batman. After I realized and accepted that I started to like them a little more.

[@michaeljohnson4344]

Once I accepted that "Batman&Robin" was the campy successor to the campy "Batman" television show, I was sort of OK with the film version of the Bright Knight. Sort of. Kind of. Well... The Dark Knight was still years away. (I still dislike Clooney's bobblehead performance.)

[@tonyjackson4078]

I have to say, Carrey pretty much doing an updated Frank Gorshin is a very astute observation. If you put those two side by side the similarities are blinding.

[@micahrutland9021]

I agree about Jack Nicholson's Joker. He's great and all, but would've liked to see a little more of a tic and flare to him like he was in The Shining. I also thought that Aaron Eckhart looked pretty similar to the comic-book Two-face, which was a plus for me.

[@edudgnik]

I think the reason Two-Face was so... goofy was because Warner wanted it to be less scary because they believed Tim Burton's vision was too dark for kids and Two-Face alone would probably also be too scary.

[@edudgnik]

I also think the reason why they recasted Two-Face was the reason why they white wash Baxter Stockman in the TMNT cartoon that aired at the time.

[@sparkageddon3186]

Cool thing I like about Tommy Lee Jones/Two Face is his line when he says "Why Can U Just Die" was his and years later so many writers add that in their movies and they recently said the same line in John Wick 4 the exact same way.

[@andrewclifton185]

Criminally Underrated Film

[@andresfajardo6838]

Vee Infuso went from being my least favorite youtuber to my most look forwarded youtuber. Good work dude! Your videos are awesome!

[@SPAnComCat]

That Video was Mind-Blowing! And I Agree with Everything you said!

[@ChuckTheMystery]

Batman Forever is and always will be my favorite Batman film! Excellent video. It always strikes me as odd…that this film was so loved in 1995 and now gets so much negativity. The theaters were sold out for weeks in June and July of 1995. I was there so many times..that I would know! It set numerous records at the time….and reviews were fantastic. Then over time…everything changed. While it’s a shame that videos have to made defending it..I love this video. Thanks!

[@positivetakes5592]

What's crazy is that TLJ basically played a perfect Harvey Dent in The Client

[@avace917]

I've seen your previous videos on this movie and I have to say that I have a huge amount of respect for your devotion to it. All that to say that I actually agree with your assessment that TLJ was great casting. He just wasn't given the proper direction for whatever reason. His performance in U.S. Marshals is what I would've preferred. He should've played straight man to Carrey's lunacy. The elements were RIGHT THERE!! The director, writer and producers just didn't know what to do with him.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

Batman Forever is great and it's one of my favorite movies. Two-Face is my favorite villain and I liked both Tommy Lee Jones and Aaron Eckhart's portrayals of the character.

[@VampMoneyCollective]

I LITERALLY REWATCHED THIS MOVIE A FEW DAYS AGO THIS UPLOAD WAS SUCH A SURPRISE WOAH

[@LukeLovesRose]

I prefer the raw look and white hair for Two-Face. Not the pink hair. But I think Tommy couldve done so much better if he had a better script and director. Two-Face is full of terrifying looks and Tommy can totally deliver that. Just look at his menacing face(s) in the fan card.

[@_The_Worst_]

This was quite the analysis...🤘🏼💯✔️

[@captainonetake]

Thank you for this video 🙏🏻 I love the Batman forever movie it was huge for me as a 11 year old kid back then. I subscribe and look forward to hear about Batman forever Robin, and yes as a kid I loved Chris O’Donnell as Robin because it felt more realistic for us kids that Robin was older, someone we could look up too

[@chadpeterson5698]

Fun fact, Tommy Lee Jones actually made his performance as Two Face the way it is to spite Jim Carrey

[@videogamemadness1582]

I loved all the 4 batman movies when I was younger but now that I'm older I still love the films to an extent but can see where it misses the mark.

[@venom7558]

I have always felt that Tommy Lee's Two Face should've been the straight man to Jim Carrey's Riddler. He should've been a bit more serious and darker. It feels like Tommy Lee wanted to out Jim Carrey Jim Carrey.

[@dylanburton4955]

That would have been a more interesting dynamic if Two Face was played completely serious, would have been a cool contrast too with the over the top tone of the film

[@mrmonte1975]

The crazy part about Carrey playing the Riddler.... I could actually see him also playing the cunning, not over the top version of the same character.

[@ArchangelSteve]

Poor Edward Nigma didn't deserve the David Flair theme.

[@dylanburton4955]

I do have to agree about the letdown of The Dark Knights Two Face, there was a lot of potential there and it just never quite lived up to it cuz they clearly prioritised the Joker and didn’t balance it out as well as they could have

[@Weezing336]

I've said it on this channel before but, Tommy Lee Jones brought a huge physical threat to the character. He was always one tiny step away from murdering someone for looking at him the wrong way. You can look at Riddler's initial confrontation with Harvey and notice how Jones and Carrey portray the differences in their characters just physically. Jones was extremely dangerous. I wanted more for Harvey in the script, but this is clearly a broken man betrayed by the city he believed in. You can see the pain in this character brought to the surface by Jones.

[@Weezing336]

I don't see why Tommy's performance is seen as the wrong choice for the character. Harvey was driven mad. I don't see this Two Face as being a copy of Joker or anything like The Riddler. Just because different villains maniacally laugh doesn't make them the same. I like that Harvey has lost complete control. His anger is always festering beneath the surface and Jones makes sure not to lose this aspect of the character.

[@hellboyrp6115]

I can't wait until next year when McFarlane releases the figures!

[@seanmalloy0528]

Nolan's Two-Face looks like half Darkman

[@maineventfrow]

The movie was good. Two face could of been more serious but still good tho

[@TP_9033]

Man…thank you showing this movie some love! It’s one of my favorites too! While it’s far from perfect/accurate, there are things of value in it. It’s refreshing to see this movie talked about in a more positive light. And yeah, whatever you have in mind for Batman Forever, let’s see it!

[@rockoperajon]

It’s been a while since I’ve seen the movie, but I don’t think The Box was meant to make The Riddler more intelligent, just tell him secret thoughts of the people using it. IIRC, he implied he was going to blackmail pretty much the whole city, or maybe just use his knowledge to keep cops and lawmakers under his thumb.

[@ChuckTheMystery]

Well he does at one point say it’s meant to make him The Cleverest Carbon Based Life Form but I’m with you…his plans were to gain everything he could to use against the city..and he almost got away with it!

[@WhoCaresAnymoreTho]

I hated the fact two faces make up line was perfectly straight

[@brandonvisconti2527]

You should make a video on the possibility of a two and a half men revival

[@asurlybarber3620]

Tommy Lee Jones is and always has been a great actor, but clearly he never was into comics or superheroes. He was told he was playing a Batman villain, likely watched a few episodes of the old Adam West show, and thought "Guess that's how I'll do it."

[@DeaDGoD_XIV]

I hate riddles, and other such nonsense, but I love your videos, Vee. Keep up the good work, and please make more wrestling content as well.

[@meltedcopper9247]

If you heard the cast based of the last movie and the death in that film. You would entirely day dream a very very different film.

[@eggmannega6895]

I can see it believable if someone says Routh and Reeves are related.

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Batman Forever was awesome 😊

[@knighttakespawn]

If you look closely the scarring isn’t a perfect line down the center of his face. My theory is that he *paints* that color on to accentuate the duality. Like how Ledger uses paint to accent *his* scars.

[@Xegethra]

I'm quite happy for Jim Carey to play Jim Carey....One of the few actors where I don't mind them being basically the same thing the majority of the time.

[@ThePerradox]

I know I would also have watched a film we get JC as Dury Walker, becoming Cameron Van Kleer, A new, better, ´Bruce Wayne' for a new Gotham.

[@jacktoma21]

Makeup would look so much better if it was just a dark shade, also preferably more of a red instead of pink

[@LukeLovesRose]

I think Jim Carreys The Riddler couldve come back a little darker and more akin to the Riddler in the animated series. He failed to become Bruce but he can still play the most disturbing games with him. And I think Jim Carrey couldve been menacing af in that interpretation. The Riddlers Revenge

[@davidsherwinproductions2490]

Could u make a rant video on Batbabe The Dark Knightie next?

[@pkvanderzee6226]

I loved this movie and still do! OK..Joker was not around (My favorite Batman movie of all time is still the original wich J. nicholson) ...yet this whole movie was a showdown between to actors who would make the most fun badguy...and they were a lot of fun to watch

[@wingedferret5713]

Hey do you think you could do a telltale joker video, i know ive asked before but id really love for you to talk about this version of the character

[@Dr_1212]

Cheesy but cool 🦇 👍

[@stevebragg4256]

In the novel of Batman Forever, he flipped a coin when they ran by in the Wayne Manor scene, and they ran by several times.

[@akaychi]

Have you done a crisis on infinite earths vid yet? Or do you plan to?

[@VI_V2]

Which one ? The comic, the tv show event or the new movies?

[@michaeljohnson4344]

25:33 The first "nerdy outsider with glasses turns supervillain" trope? Nah, not even in the Batman Cinematic Universe (BCU). If Jim Carrey is the godfather, then he learned it from the godmother: Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman. She doesn't follow the obsession/rejection/resurrection cycle, but she definitely blazes the trail from mousy-to-monster. (Maybe just rejection/resurrection?)

[@KnightSoulsG]

I love love Jim carrey

[@dustinwashburn1283]

I still hold to the idea that Jim Carreys Riddler was too much Joker. The Joker has gag items that explode. The Riddler has explosive shaped explosives that explode (if he is choosing to blow anything up at all). Carreys Riddler was throwing explosive bats everywhere in the Batcave, which, when attached to his behavior throughout the movie, plants him firmly in Joker territory.

[@briandaleske5139]

I think actor star (JIM CARRY) did a great job at playing The-Riddler, in the (BATMAN FOREVER) movie.

[@streamer_memer]

I noticed you had a clip of Telltale's two face near the start. What do you think of their interpretation of the character?

[@brandonbohrer3641]

You've never seen Tommy Lee being energetic? You've never seen "Under siege." He pulls crazy off pretty well in that movie.

[@Christmode.]

BF was okay when I was a kid, but the older I get the most alienated I feel from it.

[@tybo8377]

We need a serious riddler in a suit thats downfall is his ego like in btas. I like the one we got in batman forever and the batman but theyve always been alittle to.. out there. Hes supposed to be batmans smartest villain so id like to see everything he does as the smartest move he could make. Him going toe to toe with batmans intelect and prep time but in the end could win but losses because his ego wont let someone else take credit for what he'd done

[@captainm8889]

So many second comings

[@cooldudepapyrus0264]

I hate riddles and other such nonsense. I Watch this movie yesterday for the first time I'm glad to see videos relating to what I do

[@ThePerradox]

Jim Carey was a very good, at times even great Riddler.

[@DataDrain02]

Honestly, I agree with not liking the Dark Knight Two-Face.... I just did NOT like him as a character. He lacked some of the important nuances that say.... BTAS had. He just came off as... annoying when he flipped to the dark side. At least Tommy's Two-Face had a lot of fun. (Despite that being way out of character.) Like, it wasn't the right way to do a Two-Face. But as you said. In a vacuum, he's a fun character to watch.

[@wayneigoe6722]

I feel like most of these problems are down to the poor direction and studio mandates...

[@danielsilva-ds2u]

I dont get why people dont like that one scene of two face flipping his coin. The movie is clearly edited to show how if bruce punches a guy, two face flips the coin to see if bruce deserves punishment. He wasnt just flipping the coin at random. Maybe two face shouldnt have been upset when the innocent face shows, or be happy when the guilty face shows, but that scene clearly shows that two face obeys the coins decision.

[@BM-wh5qk]

Kristin Wiig in Wonder Woman 1984 was the worst of the Carrey Riddler knock offs.

[@alexwatts3862]

I thought it was funny that two face smoked two different cigarettes

[@cyrus2546]

I know a lot of people saw Batman Forever as a kid and loved it but I wasn’t one of them. Even at 8 years old I thought it sucked dick. If I hadn’t seen the Burton movies I probably would’ve liked it but after watching those a million times I couldn’t accept the bright and campy atmosphere here. It was such a drastic departure from the tone of the previous movies that it can be considered a soft reboot. The only positive things that came out of this movie was Seal’s Kiss From a Rose and the fact that the box office success of this led WB to go further in the campy direction eventually leading to Chris Nolan getting the reigns for Batman Begins.

[@heres1for2day]

Switching Tommy and Jack would have been the best case in casting here. Tommy Lee can pull off a Joker wonderfully. I can truly think of no one more able to play dent better than Jack.

[@drewskiee9254]

We're still waiting for a definitive movie Two Face. But I still prefer this guy over the one from Dark Knight

[@jolfer1334]

He said he only played two face cause his son talked him into it

[@anubusx]

Joygasm.

[@user-ej7nd3yn6r]

I feel that the real villain is Joel Shomacker

[@ThePerradox]

Also, again. Michael Emerson for live action version of The Ventriloquist, James Gunn, please make it happen.

[@mrcritical6751]

Nah I’d go Jim Broadbent. He looks like the character, can play timid but also go full blown sociopath if the role calls for it

[@ThePerradox]

@@mrcritical6751Another inspired choice, I'd happily watch both of their auditions.

[@chance-m-holton]

Tommy Lee Jones told Jim Carrey during filming I can't stand your buffoonery

[@inrainbows1829]

He utilized a jump to conclusions mat

[@natesalisbury2196]

i hated that movie but i like listening to you talk about stuff.

[@dmanslovesCOB]

Im of the same mind as you is Batman Forever good? Not really is it one of my favotires? Hell yes. Also the scene of Batman running out of the fire and Two Face's "Why cant you just die?!?!" Easily one of my favorite Batman moments of all time.

[@LukeLovesRose]

Jim Carrey didnt do a bad job in any way. He did great with what he was given. He couldve been even better with a better script and director. Look how effective he is as the egomaniac, Doctor Eggman

[@bramijdema759]

Jim Carrey plays a better Riddler as Eggman rather than as Riddler.

[@sleepyscustoms7247]

6:55 aint no way andrew tate is about to fight superman

[@scottreacher]

Bro gives TwoFace a pass but SLANDERS Mr. Freeze. Hand over your Batman fan ID.

[@kevin10001]

I still say people get it wrong when they say Batman and Robin was Joel Schumacher love letter to Batman cause outside the campy aspect to Batman and Robin there is nothing that confirms that unlike Batman forever that is filled with Batman references like the flying Greyson’s outfit being Burt ward’s robin suit design the riddler and two-face filling like they belong on the show even though they actually were going to use two-face on the show but has second thoughts about it deeming him to scary for kids in the 60’s so his plot became the false face plot Robin saying holy rusted metal Batman to a no brainer Joel Schumacher is showing love to my favorite version of Batman with Batman forever

[@ThePerradox]

Could Tom Cruise when really acting have been a good Two-Face?

[@anubusx]

Batman couldn't catch him when he runs away.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Linked to Tommy Lee's faulty portrayal of Two-Face is Drew Barrymore's faulty portrayal of Sugar. I remember reading the press releases for this movie, and in one of them Sugar was described as "light evil" and Debi Mazar's Spice as "dark evil." But when is evil ever "light," even in the movies? If Sugar was supposed to represent Harvey's good side, she should have been one of the story's more sympathetic characters. The most realistic or at least plausible characterization for Sugar would probably have been Madonna's performance as Breathless Mahoney in DICK TRACY crossed with the more sympathetic portrayals of Harley Quinn. But instead Barrymore gave us what was basically a more subdued version of the evil Harley. Was Sugar just some bimbo who wanted to be with Two-Face because he was rich? You'd think even someone like that would be smart enough not to get mixed up with a supervillain. I did not at all like Paul Dano's "incel survivalist" take on the Riddler in THE BATMAN, and Aaron Eckhart's Two-Face in THE DARK KNIGHT disappointed me because while the BATMAN FOREVER version was too evil, Eckhart's was just not evil enough. Even after he becomes Two-Face, Eckhart's Harvey Dent is sympathetic and makes arguments that at least sound reasonable. My favorite takes on Two-Face and the Riddler are both from the '90s animated series. Except for Catwoman, that series portrayed all the major villains exceptionally well.

[@martinbabich1920]

Are you telling me that both Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey play the Joker in this movie?

[@greyjedi6430]

Dont care batman forever is my favourite batman movie watched it hundreds of times . Love it lol

[@tgcv4444]

Hi!

[@Adam_X78]

Howdy

[@LukeLovesRose]

I still like Superman Returns

[@Erichwanh]

The real villain in this movie was trying to fit Robin into it.

[@FrancisCastiglione]

The real villains were the parents who told their kids to tell the media Batman Returns is an "attack" on children.