The War on the West: Race, Politics, and Culture (Douglas Murray)

The Michael Shermer Show # 268
Shermer and Murray discuss: • what it takes to become a successful writer • Is this “war” on Western civilization just a necessary course correction from the sins of the past? • Is at least some of the criticisms of Western civilization a form of revenge for past wrongs? • CRT: If racism is not the explanation for the present Black/White differences in income, wealth, home ownership, and representation in professional careers, what is? • Racism and Antiracism • 1619 Project • BLM movement • White privilege • Colonialism and decolonizing cultural things • Monuments • If Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln should be cancelled, what about Marx? • Anti-Semitism • Objectivity and the search for truth: is this a Western tradition only? • Reparations: don’t we have a moral obligation to right a wrong?
Douglas Murray is an associate editor of The Spectator. His previous book, The Madness of Crowds, was a bestseller and a book of the year for The Times and The Sunday Times. His previous book, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam, was published by Bloomsbury in May 2017. It spent almost twenty weeks on the Sunday Times bestseller list and was a number one bestseller in nonfiction. His new book is The War on the West in which Murray shows how many well-meaning people have been fooled by hypocritical and inconsistent anti-West rhetoric.
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[@wjdeoliveira3809]

Great interview! Whenever I hear two non-Jews talk about and condemn antisemitism like this, my instinctive reaction is to ask "why would they?" I had the same reaction when watching a Peter Boghossian podcast with Tabia Lee. It's a strange and irrational reaction: why wouldn't thoughtful and intelligent people condemn any type of prejudice? So I'm not sure why I have that reaction. Maybe it's the fact that historically it has been rare. In any case, THANK YOU both.

[@kingofallmediums2123]

Douglas Murray is one of the most brilliant voices of conservative thought. He should be required reading for college students.

[@user_user1337]

he is a racist and ought not to be read.

[@chazzman4553]

Sober and sharp thinker of our difficult, tumultuous times. Will wait for more of your writings. Thanks

[@gad3iii532]

Everyone wants to be a hero, problem is doing something great is hard. Thankfully we now have social media so all you have to do to be a hero is sit on your couch and tear other people down who have done great things and claim you are a hero for doing it.

[@patriciak8936]

Modern heroes are heroes not for their deeds but for who they were born and for being a victim. Martin Luther King jr, no longer a hero, George Floyd, hero.

[@txdmsk]

@@patriciak8936 Yep. The guy who was an illiterate career criminal, a pathetic drug addict, a violent thug, a careless piece of shit who drew around while high is one of the greatest heroes of our time. That tells you everything you need to know about the zeitgeist.

[@claudiaxander]

@@patriciak8936 "Modern heroes are heroes not for their deeds but for who they were born and for being a victim."... = Jesus Christ... LOL

[@hsmd4533]

@@claudiaxander that makes no sense

[@claudiaxander]

@@hsmd4533 Im quoting the first guy speaking, and saying that what he thinks is the wrong definition of hero is these days, would also includes jesus i.e. for who they were born as and for being a victim , which is pretty much christ! lol

[@wolfu597]

Interview on the book starts at 14:10.

[@teacherrussell5206]

Between you and Lex Fridman...too many good interviews. I can't keep up.

[@ShapochkinKirill]

Lex's pushing it with the length of the interviews 🥴

[@bobcharles7933]

@@ShapochkinKirill : Aw, c'mon, Lex just posted a less than 2 minute interview with a duck (though Lex identifies it as a goose).

[@ShapochkinKirill]

@@bobcharles7933 yeah, and everything is beautiful and worth exploring...love, alien life A.I...and four hours gone. Was it a duck? I thought it was a goose...🥴

[@bobcharles7933]

@@ShapochkinKirill : I think it was a female Muscovy duck. (wait... did he misgender that poor bird???!!! 😆 )

[@rohitballal5654]

Interview starts at 6.13

[@D4n1t0o]

Change it to 6:13, it'll become a hyperlink.

[@tekannon7803]

Douglas Murray's advice for writers struck a sour note in my symphonic career as a generalist. I've had to come to the conclusion that being a jack-of-all-trades has been a splendid adventure of accumulating a string of near hits, except that by not being an expert in any of my chosen fields, financial success has--as one would expect---been the missing piece of the puzzle.

[@paulbird1808]

My first draft of 'The history of drawing pins' is currently underway..

[@caterpillakilla]

well said. i cant put 100% in JUST one thing

[@leonharrison800]

People waking up. Financial duchess is harder for ideologues of the Right and religious dogmatists. Great the West is waking up.

[@cheri238]

Reading books!!! I love Christopher Hitchens. RIP Humour!! 😀🆘‼️ Thank you both respectfully.

[@jeffersonianideal]

From Sam Harris to Michael Shermer. There is a book promotion afoot. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[@cyberiad]

Right! This channel is a reliable source of interesting book recommendations.

[@jeffersonianideal]

@@cyberiad Agreed. Credit to Dr. Shermer for creating a reliably interesting YT channel.

[@txdmsk]

That's how it always goes.

[@bigdbob7929]

That's generally what podcasts are, book promotions

[@jeffersonianideal]

@@bigdbob7929 "Generally"? That's a lot of printed books. Considering the number of podcasts that occur each day, the publishers must be promoting the PDF or audiobook versions.

[@tayzk5929]

"Why do you think anti-semitism isn't being pulled up along with racism and misogyny as something to be hypersensitive about? Why is anti-semitism the one form of prejudice that's tolerated?" LOL what!? What world are these two people living in lmao??

[@brianmeen2158]

I’m guessing they mean it’s tolerated in certain settings(universities) and not in others(media, tv)? I get what you are saying though

[@helenbeach5581]

Great conversation to hear while 🚴‍♀️ cycling. I have read Murray’s book and his other two best sellers. He gives us much to think about on a position of skeptical inquiry into the current (wokeist) mindset and how it affects and infiltrates everything - not in a good way. Michael is one of the great atheist movement leaders and is fully correct to invite Douglas on to dismantle this new “religion” of DEI.

[@claudiaxander]

Why are the religious so against the "Woke". Are you sure you're not swallowing the wrong agenda? What group is most famous for historic sexism, homophobia and love of slavery ? Who wants to force underage girls into marriage and hide the abuse and rape of the innocent? Who benefits from females being breeding machines and males suicidal warriors? Open any monotheist religious text and it's all there.

[@markashdown1314]

I regularly meet undocumented immigrants walking off the docks here in southern Spain. No checks at all. No jobs, shelter, cash or support. All head north. A ticking time bomb.

[@nicholasdufresne9320]

Too many people confuse an argument for progress for an argument for dismissal

[@aardvarkcustard9696]

It wasn't the fact that Israelis stop being victims and become victors that is thought to be "the problem" rather it is when Israelis stop being victims and become oppressors - that is the problem.

[@svenhaheim]

Hilarious nobody oppresses more than the Arabs themselves.

[@hjjjjk8399]

But they are not Africans. These people look at us as monkeys even though many of us assimilate and contribute. You can speak intelligently and be a cold bloodied racist.

[@FiveLiver]

6:12 Interview starts

[@hitchslap8254]

Thank you, I had to search for the same comment with Sam Harris.

[@davapod]

Another thing Boris did was write car reviews, despite the fact he never drove them. None the less he had a great turn of phrase. It's all smoke and mirrors.

[@liamkelly1312]

Claiming Murray is on par with Hitchens is an insult to him, he was far superior, a gadfly to the establishment also both anti Zionist and a fierce critic of anti semitism. Ridiculous to claim Churchill was the sole reason for defeat of Hitler-Russia military fatalities in WW2 were 8.8M and they accounted for 76% of German military losses. US and British combined military fatalities around 676k. If Churchill was so popular in his day-how come in the 1945 general election his opponent won a landslide victory? Murray fails to provide evidence that police killings of African Americans is exaggerated by " several orders of magnitude" -a totally sycophantic interview.

[@simonrae3048]

People were sick of the war. They wanted something that wasn't war based. Not difficult to appreciate eh. Churchill came to power again in 1951. So comments on this ,please

[@liamkelly1312]

@@simonrae3048 What the majority of people voted for in 1945 was the Welfare State, Labour actually had the highest popular vote despite losing in 1951. After World War II,the US corporations implanted the 'industrial military complex' creating an economy based on permanent war. We are paying a heavy and ever increasing social, political, and economic costs.

[@purpleivory2]

Douglas needs to read "The Real Lincoln" by Thomas DiLorenzo and any of the writings by Ralph Raico on Churchill. To get a sober perspective.

[@kenkeyes8148]

The Alexis de Tocqueville of our time. We should probably listen.

[@user_user1337]

no, he is just a little racist!

[@inlausa]

Refreshing! So exhausted of predictable leftists talking points.

[@claudiaxander]

Your not watching Fox news i guess.

[@Lee-pj5vf]

Graham Hancock would like a word Mr Shermer

[@kenkeyes8148]

Either no one disagrees with Douglas, or they won't dare challenge him to debate publicly...because they're not sure how they'd "win".

[@brianmeen2158]

Is Douglas still up for debate these days?

[@leonharrison800]

Douglas can be shredded by anyone with intellect and a knowledge of history.

[@kenkeyes8148]

@@leonharrison800 Please refer me to anyone who has. Thanks.

[@leonharrison800]

@@kenkeyes8148 I need to research. His arguments are already being destroyed by Peter Tatchell, LGBT and human rights activist. Wake up.

[@kenkeyes8148]

@@leonharrison800 Yes research. I don't see anywhere they appeared together other than a panel discussion with Piers Morgan, and didn't notice anyone getting "destroyed".

[@A_M_Bobb]

Perhaps the problem is the idea of "heroes" in the first place. Yes. Remember the past. But history shouldn't (obviously history isn't immune to bias) glorify. It should inform. It should always be scrutinized. Those who are deemed "heroes" were deemed as such by people in positions of power and power has never been deservedly earned. The powerful lift those that don't challenge their power. Right away that should draw into serious question who is deemed hero and/or villain.

[@Atomisti]

For hundreds of millions of people, Muhammed is the biggest hero. I wonder what Murray thinks about that.

[@bri_____]

@@Atomisti He thinks that the lessons of Christ amongst others lead to societies which are more advantageous than those of Muhammed. Thus his defence.

[@PapaCrowZ]

Flawed premise, what have you done in your life? Do you have kids? And if so, do they not look at you as a hero of sorts? I think you are retroactively applying a modern day trend to history, a very linear way of thinking.

[@A_M_Bobb]

@@PapaCrowZ Should every parent be a hero to their kids? I think we can all very comfortably say no right? Nothing should be protected soley due to status. Character should always matter most. No one should be beyond scrutiny or criticism. If it means that society gains a better understanding of humanity and how it should be valued, I think a reevaluation of "hero" characters is the least and possibly easiest thing to allow.

[@PapaCrowZ]

@@A_M_Bobb if I was to ask you what a good parent was, could you answer that? And if you did would you believe that your opinion would be universal? Scrutiny and criticism are critical but you get to a point, specifically with historical figures that because they weren’t like us they are bad, I would like to point out that without their fight, and without them winning that fight, ours in the present would have never happened at all, so to do this is wrong in my view. Just like I would find it wrong when a child or young adult tells me their parents are “bad” because they don’t agree with them or something equally petty. Every person has their battle in life and to say they weren’t good enough by todays standards, while true (technically) is ignorance of nuance.

[@thomasslater412]

Why don't you have David Cole on?

[@tayzk5929]

Interesting question

[@nicolasmaldonado1428]

6:13 actually starts

[@4x4r974]

oh my god the boris johnson impression :D

[@chrisbennett6260]

how interesting you readily accept douglous Murray lets interview someone with opposing views to ,examine and critique his assertions

[@homewall744]

Just know that anybody who spends time knocking down western heroes, despite some personal flaws, are jealous and envious, knowing that even those "bad" people taken in the worst light were, in fact, light years better than they are. The productive and accomplished are now rejected for the consumer and dependent victimhood factions. They are not good people, and almost universally prefer the rejection of liberty as free-dumb, and equality as being highly selective as to who gets all the government benefits and who should be subjected to government harm as they spend other people's money to increase their power.

[@hsmd4533]

Facts

[@chrisbennett6260]

Michael shermer try interviewing Noam Chomsky on politics, chris hedges ,John pilger or James Obrien for balance or to get the other side cornel west then at leat we can balance the two lets have a real honest look at america history you put a lot of emphasis on being skeptic ,objective ,rationalist

[@andreamolton8226]

I'm left in my politcs but think Douglas Murray is excellent.

[@gorbachevdhali4952]

Not sure how you're left in your politics then lol.

[@camerondeans9056]

There's no such thing as antisemitism! Racism is racism is racism. Setting out a specific, separate racism like antisemitism is the racist bit. Then anyone who points this out becomes racist. It's a no-win. It's sneaky

[@peterwiles1299]

The most vulnerable people in society are not the poor, the dispossessed, the homeless, but our heroes and most especially our dead heroes.

[@homewall744]

Far worse than the big time grumblers are those who just think more state power is how you fix things. My wife and many people around me refuse to think and believe what they clearly see happening, and prefer to put people down and under the control of state power. It's weird and very upsetting that even family members support anti-liberty, anti-equality and more government force and control.

[@claudiaxander]

So you support abortion rights?

[@Jirix]

BTW Christopher Hitchens of our time isn't Douglas Murray( with all due respect) but Sam Harris. so please.....

[@skumflum3768]

Don’t agree… I love to read and listen to Sam Harris but he is rather unidimensional. Stephen Fry is up there but more polite

[@markseidler3251]

"What a man [Mussolini]! I have lost my heart! … If I were Italian, I am sure I would have been with you entirely from the beginning of your victorious struggle against the bestial appetites and passion of Leninism." --Winston Churchill (1927)

[@duality5503]

Mussolini was ofcourse a Marxist a Socialist and communist, and eventually his regime murdered about 600 thousand people... Communists murdered about 100 million!ll

[@mariussielcken]

'What a waste that we lost Mussolini. He is a first-rate man who would have led our party to power in Italy.' -Lenin

[@zaniwoob]

@@mariussielckenvery fitting, great response!

[@claudiaxander]

@@mariussielcken "Megalomaniacs are terrible judges of character!" Claudia Xander

[@ajeet490]

I wonder why

[@Hollis_has_questions]

As long as there are fish in the waters, there will be anglers. In response to the plethora of televangelists, cult leaders, and all con men and hucksters.

[@djinntonnick3383]

A jew whining about aNtIsEmItIsM, who would have thought that.

[@iwantthe80sback59]

6+ minutes to finally get to the guest. Sheesh.

[@ArtUnbowed]

Is it Shermer's microphone ? Voice is oddly different.

[@bobcharles7933]

sounds like a head cold

[@RiazShah1]

Right! Was listening to the podcast, and had to come here to make sure if it was Shermer or a guest host

[@jeffersonianideal]

6:23 "The Christopher Hitchens of *our* time." Dr. Shermer shouldn't be so plural. Douglas Murray isn't fit to fetch Christopher Hitchens' Scotch whiskey or light Hitch's ciggy.

[@bri_____]

Hitchens & Murray were friends. I doubt Murray would associate with someone "not fit to lace his boots." Unless you have very low opinion of hitch.

[@jeffersonianideal]

​@@bri_____ Despite the majority of their deep, mutual friendship enduring posthumously, please don't malign my words. I am perfectly willing to accept Douglas Murray lacing up Hitch's boots. After all, what's a friend for?

[@dennisaskeland4250]

@@bri_____ hitchens was also friends with Dinesh D’Souza… enough said

[@Devious_Dave]

Scotch whisky was Hitch's tipple (preferably Johnnie Walker Black Label). Whiskey is Irish - be careful of the difference - wars have been started over less! :-)

[@txdmsk]

Hitchens is overrated. He was an excellent orator, but not always an excellent thinker.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

Wow, all skepticism and objectivity goes out the window when Skeptic goes from science to politics.

[@tayzk5929]

"Why do you think anti-semitism isn't being pulled up along with racism and misogyny as something to be hypersensitive about? Why is anti-semitism the one form of prejudice that's tolerated?" What world are these two people living in lmao

[@brianmeen2158]

What would you have wanted Michael to push back on more?

[@Enzorgullochapin]

Exactly: 1 good reason to un/sub. done.

[@nuqwestr]

The richest Mexican in the World is Turkish: Carlos Slim Helu

[@user_user1337]

this is pure racism!

[@DanHowardMtl]

Shermer: Peter > Chris - now get over it.

[@mrpopo8298]

Welcome to the Michaels Shermer show, this is your host Michael Shermer, today I will be interviewing Michael Shermer, we will discuss Michael Shermer and Michael Shermer's new book on Michael Shermer.

[@thallesvinicius2729]

02:51

[@browntaint6916]

Ohh.. i'm so scared..

[@princekha4540]

Churchil wrote " why didn't Gandhi die in Bengal famine " and some people still believe that he cared about India which was a British colony back then . This is hilarious 😂

[@bri_____]

I think the debate is whether churchill is a legitimate noble historical figure. Of course placing a quote without any historical context & without any counterargument makes such a mature discussion impossible.

[@veerswami7175]

@@bri_____ in subcontinent there is huge mess left by British and Bengal famine is manmade Churchill knows everything even given detail accounts of it

[@txdmsk]

@@veerswami7175 Without British colonization India would be either a colony of China, or on the level of a 4th world African dump. You can blame the British all you want, but they brought law, technology, language, means to eke out a 21th century living. The current problems with India is thanks to Indians, not the British.

[@downwardlymobile4957]

@@veerswami7175 The British left over 70 years ago. How many more years will have to pass before Indians starting blaming themselves for their failures or will it always be the fault of the British till the end of time?

[@braceit4077]

IF PPL WERE PUTTING SWASTIKAS ON SYNAGOGUES, i BE T YOU WOULD NOT MINIMIZE IT, COMPARABLE TO A SHOE STRING. PLS you can do SOMETHING ABOUT THE OPEN AIR CAMPS AND ABUSE OF PALESTINIANS before you concern yourselves with blks or uyghurs. You ppl are always trying to deflect onto someone else instead of focusing on the inadequacies of the west

[@jayreal2417]

Outside of Japanese Asians who were only discriminated in American during WWII . They’ve never been subjugated at all nor Eastern Indians given subsidies to come here and set up businesses ….

[@txdmsk]

Not sure what your point is. Chinese people in America and Japanese people in America had worse quality of life than black slaves up until maybe around the turn of the 1900s.

[@creestee08]

was murray a stuttterer? or did i just only noticed now?

[@onewolfhowls7670]

Ummm. Why do you sound funny and slow?

[@huemanzu]

heroes? political bias?

[@TomVincent-JFK63]

Might be a good writer but needs speech lessons. Very hard to understand. Tiring to listen to. I gave up.

[@royjacobs1204]

Yes it's a problem we English often have when speaking to Americans.

[@jsherman1503]

@@royjacobs1204 Well... keep working at it....we do like what you say.... ;)

[@cyberiad]

I find him to be facile and disingenuous.

[@tiffanymcgillie7114]

Same.

[@TimeStampCopv4]

Murray doesn't seem gay to me. Is it possible he's bi?

[@txdmsk]

He's beeping on my gaydar.

[@willmercury]

Who cares?

[@downwardlymobile4957]

not all gay men are effeminate you know.

[@ladysudaandthegoddessmorri3217]

Does it matter ?

[@nuqwestr]

"Teachers Paid to Read Your Work" not an original idea by Boris, in fact, it's the basis for an entire course in writing by Larry McEnerney, Director of the University of Chicago's Writing Program, available on KZbin.

[@andreaking4818]

KZbin wasn't around at the time Boris was editor of The Spectator when he gave Douglas that advice.

[@thallesvinicius2729]

14:11

[@johnsimspon8893]

George Floyd? Who's he?

[@hsmd4533]

Armed robber, drug addict, but a hero to some

[@johnwhale8316]

Neither of these two seem to have seen “ 2,000 Mules”, Dinesh De Sousa’s movie which explains how Trump “lost”.

[@tekannon7803]

May I add one anecdote about Winston Churchill that needs to be fact-checked, but that rather left me a bit dismayed in a tiny way? I forget where I read this, but apparently Churchill drank two bottles of champagne every day throughout him being Prime Minister during the second world war. Why was I dismayed? Frankly, it was because it seemed he had to be a little numbed-up to what was going on and by that I mean a little drunk. Well, nothing wrong with that someone might say, because he did a fine job. It just seemed to be a crutch and took away from him being an astute and gifted leader.

[@zaniwoob]

If he wasn't the right man for an incredible tough job, he would have been replaced. Trying to hold exceptional individuals to your bourgeoisie standards isn't just presumptuous but also incredibly vulgar. And by the way he threw in a couple of glasses of wiskey every day, so I heard.

[@tekannon7803]

@@zaniwoob GGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. To criticize Churchill one must be careful. I was just a bit surprised to see how much he was drinking. But he did a smashing job and it just shows booze has a different effect on everyone. I'm doing my best to emulate the great man...

[@nevbarnes1034]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6SnpqylmshpgsU

[@KaiseruSoze]

25 min into this & I have to say how interesting it is that ppl can talk so much without actually saying anything. I.e., this is not concise or insightful. Too many tangents and overly wordy. But his book does have a title that relates well to "the times".

[@latentcadence5204]

Two white men mansplaining racial discrimination and the endemic issues, cheers for that.

[@stephenrohaim382]

Its always funny when a Racist like yourself complains about racism.

[@downwardlymobile4957]

nice bit of casual sexism there.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

not a singkle country in africa has even been in the dimension of getting to first owrld country status. the poorest whit area in america has less crime than the richest bla area. but all this is of course just a coincidence. couldnt possibly have anything to do with genes. everyone knows kenyans are superior at longdistance running, but different genes obviously stop at the neck and upwards

[@hsmd4533]

The race baiter has entered the room!

[@rhettbr2004]

2 white dudes gabbin about race, I'm sure we'll get to the answer...

[@charlesstoeng9166]

sure! They are in a clear and well-spoken way exposing the race hustlers and new racists.

[@bri_____]

Lol So u now have to be a certain race to have productive conversations 🤣🤣

[@jsherman1503]

the group that learned racism divides.... and now they use that tool effectively. Divide & conquer. Marxist strategy is alive and well.

[@GenX4ever]

Ahhh, the ol' "you're white now you can't have opinions on serious issues about race argument. You're critical thinking skills need updating. sir!

[@willmercury]

Some presumably non-white dude practicing racism while ostensibly opposing it...

[@geoffwytcherley5943]

Douglas Murray does as much to distort information to fit his narrative as anyone he is quoting. I've never listened to a lengthy interview with him before but what a snowflake. Should have asked him how Brexit was going. And comparing him to Hitchens, give me a break.

[@kingroyalgaming6122]

Cry about it

[@universalcomputation6779]

He's certainly not a member of the skeptic community. I wonder why Mr. Shermer is having political pundits on the show.

[@GenX4ever]

@@universalcomputation6779 because he's a great writer and very funny.

[@universalcomputation6779]

@@GenX4ever So? Why should a skeptic care about someone who wants to preserve social hierarchies? I don't get it.

[@yukihirasouma4691]

Jealous. 🤡

[@paulhester489]

Douglas Murray definition of a cad.

[@claudiaxander]

Heroes are for comics, not reality. Heroic acts are not shouted about by those responsible.

[@vintan7407]

its all ture Churchill was responsible for banal famine. even he say that this hindu with evil religon, and if u say that about uk,usa ledars then why not same to stalin,and other people

[@garethmartin6522]

This guy is totally bonkers.

[@samdg1234]

I assume the guy you refer to is Murray? Is there a particular point in the video that supports your assertion?

[@garethmartin6522]

@@samdg1234 The first one. he is apparently baffled about how opinion shifted around Churchill, despite it being a very well known phenomenon. He is relying on his audiences ignorance. I presume he was go on to some stupid "cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

i know irght, how could he possibly be opposed to the side that voted for an unelected, literal vegetable destroyring the country at a pacenever before seen?

[@garethmartin6522]

@@wasdwasdedsf Lol I can only presume you mean the carrot-coloured Trump.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@garethmartin6522 wow hes orange? thats a unique insult. you mean the guy that made the country and the worl better on every single data point? best economic growth in modern times, with first real wage growth in half a century, at a miraculous 6-8% with inflation at 2%. revolutionary peacedeals, china and russia were quiet because you didnt have a weak child in the WH. energy independance for the first time ever. yea, probably didnt mean the T guy

[@commonwunder]

Douglas Murray is 'posh' and a conservative nationalist. There's only one thing worse than a posh British public school boy ...and that's an extremely angry and disgusted nationalist. As Murray now makes his money from hawking a sense of loss of 'bygone' values and disgust at those that want a change. "It is every new generations right to rebuild their world, anyway they see fit" If this upsets you, then you're already too old to stomach anymore change ...and are just moping about with your nostalgia. Nostalgia for a past the was never truly yours to begin with... it was always owned by the posh, rich elites. It was their past, that Douglas Murray is flogging as the "good ol' days" Marx is just a pathway that the posh hate. It may not lead to any kind of utopia, but it does 'piss the posh off'. It's their boogeyman, the guy that will take all of their cash away. He frightens them to their very core. Marx shows this world doesn’t have to be ‘set up’ the way it presently is. That’s dangerous stuff to the people who benefit from the current status quo. Winston Churchill was being used in the UK to keep people in line, to know their place... to continue serving the country that the elites own. He’s used to 'shut you up' and for you to be happy… that the elites are always safely in charge and control everything. Don't fall for Murrays nationalist, elitist rantings. The rich that own 'his and your country' literally hate you.

[@brianmeen2158]

The posh do not fear Karl Marx lol

[@commonwunder]

@@brianmeen2158 As an idea... yes they do. Absolutely hate and despise it. That's why it's not allowed and has been crushed at every opportunity. They've made it become synonymous with evil. You're too hoodwinked to even realise that you're a slave to their system that keeps them in power. You even rejoice at the idea... that you're another brick in their wall. I understand, you're getting just enough from them to believe you've a choice.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

"As Murray now makes his money from hawking a sense of loss of 'bygone' values and disgust at those that want a change." nobody wants a change. the western world imports unimagineable amounts of bad quality, low assimilation prone people from the third world, at utter odds with the wellbeing of their owncitizens, and what the citizens explicitly want

[@hsmd4533]

That’s quite the temper tantrum, hope you’re feeling better

[@ladysudaandthegoddessmorri3217]

I'm working class and I don't like Marxism... At least you tried...

[@jayreal2417]

Indians were compensated, Japanese Americans, and even German Jews were compensated.. and German soldiers were given jobs in America.. My people black Americans are due theirs …. He would be better served speaking in British LGBT issues and shut your mouth about black American issues

[@txdmsk]

Yeah, no. You are being silly. Here are some pro tips on how to grow up to the general population as a group: Stop knocking up women and aborting kids. Practice safe sex. Once you have kids stay together. Value hard work. Value education. Stop fetishizing crime, gangsta culture, "music" that idolizes crime, violence, drug use. Eat less drugs. Invest into your future, and into the future of your kids, rather than into vain instant gratification. Stop buying into socialist lies and stop marrying yourself to the welfare state. If you practice these suggestions you should be out of the gutter within a generation or two. Enjoy.

[@willmercury]

Affirmative action was compensation. The doors have been open for decades; establish priorities, take responsibility, and get on with your life. There's no dignity in posturing as a perpetual victim. Life's a zero-sum game; deal with it.

[@zaniwoob]

Entitled victimhood while raising extremely violent youth is what people of all kinds shun your neighborhoods , indeed 99% of beautiful hospital Africa is safer to walk through and to interact with. When will the north american black community pay the dues for the burdens, the ever present threat of imminent violence, they lay on the greater society?

[@wasdwasdedsf]

trillions in unearned university spots gifted to them, stolen from deservnig whi and espeically asian students

[@jayreal2417]

@@wasdwasdedsf Nigerians make Asians look stupid in the tech universities.. Get your facts straight before you talk you white on non black tether demon . Also see it’s not trillions given to black students either..

[@claudiaxander]

Can anyone name the most good/heroic people in history, with the least dirt!

[@hsmd4533]

All people are flawed, including heroes.

[@claudiaxander]

@@hsmd4533 read again

[@claudiaxander]

i said least dirt, not no dirt

[@kay2kin92]

Jesus Christ ! .............