The Weird Phenomenon of Youtuber Comebacks

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0:00 ---- Intro
3:51 ---- The David Dobrik Comeback
8:48 ---- The Tati Comeback
12:12 ---- The Shane and James Charles Comeback
15:00 --- "canceling doesn't work"
20:29 ---- The Bias of "canceling"
21:40 ---- Outro
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[@jessb3643]

Anything involving minors or no consent is not forgivable for me

[@breem2134]

Kind of depends for me.. If it's a 17 year old and a 18/19 year old, then it's better than a 14 year old and 20 year old.

[@rizzolaroux]

@@breem2134 but the no consent this is nonnegotiable

[@Gxetchxn]

Exactly I can’t believe people like James Charles, Jeffree star, and Shane Dawson still have support and fans people need morals.

[@callmefried544]

@@Gxetchxn I can't believe the police haven't gotten involved yet

[@breem2134]

@@sweetembrace6706 nah

[@angielott83]

“David is Gen Z’s Shane Dawson” I think you are SPOT ON there.

[@jjjjj4787]

Yes!!!!

[@captainjoy8976]

I'd love for her to come back with an "internet history "video right about that in a few years :)

[@emilylerman9028]

and then people will say “well that type of humor was acceptable at the time” 🙃🙄

[@ericat2209]

She’s absolutely right this “cancellation” might not have stick but in a few years we’ll get a bunch of people saying they can’t believe he got away with it.

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Hit the nail right on the head

[@morguelily4668]

i honestly was so confused and disappointed to see that david dobrik was able to come back. i just thought people would have common decency but yet again, i was wrong 🙄

[@lesbiangoddess290]

It's so disturbing

[@landyncb8751]

Yeah I expected the comment section to be a lot different then what is was 😬

[@toebag4286]

The comment section with a bunch of “big youtubers” hyping him up on coming back especially mostly men is extremely disturbing. No surprising tho:/

[@hilzhoney7951]

and so quick too!!!

[@Goldie9899]

Really…it’s absolutely disgusting and makes me definitely think the vile James Charles will be back before you know it also…which absolutely sickens me!!

[@tess3000]

Even though I shouldn’t have been surprised, I still couldn’t believe how positive the reception was for David. With his content specifically too, everyone always laughing and having fun, feels like such a blatant “we don’t fucking care!” (Tana voice)

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Seriously! It seems so insidious.

[@jav4346]

Exactly, it was how positive the reception was that was so shocking, not even the comeback

[@lustekofta6945]

Agreed

[@xodr91]

It's amazing how easily people will forgive rich, yt creators over black and other POC KZbinrs. The ones who were ready to forgive Shane and Jeffree for all their horrible behavior still criticize Jackie Aina for the tweet about yt people not saying excuse me or call her "arrogant" smh 🙄.

[@fawn2911]

Yesss it's literally because they're white lmao

[@zuhavcr]

so true!!

[@lesbiangoddess290]

It's so apparent. Frankly it's been disturbing me for a hot minute.

[@justadolphin8932]

this!! the white privilege and male privilege is very obvious.

[@octabodemes]

im black and i was about to tell you not to use the race card but then i started thinking about all the youtubers that have been able to come back with open arms and.. yknow what?.. yeah, it adds up.

[@paulinezugzwang1773]

The Jeff Wittek thing is so wild. How is he going to joke about this when he almost killed him and it's still quite recent? The man is still going through eye surgeries to my understanding, he's wearing sunglasses in the vlog because of his injury. David literally and figuratively scarred him for life and he's gonna sit there and make jokes? That's cold.

[@jizy06]

He’s self admitted that he doesn’t “snitch” on people and doesn’t like to expose them basically. I feel like it’s partly because he (and other members of that group) feel indebted to David for their careers and and partly because he doesn’t want to seem like he’s weak or something. Personally, I would stop being David’s friend altogether and never talk to him again.

[@misseselise3864]

it happened like a year ago but he’s been having issues with the vision in his injured eye, which is why he’s still having surgeries

[@misseselise3864]

@@jizy06 i understand what you mean here but david wouldn’t get in trouble for what happened because the courts would say that jeff gave implied consent

[@toddvandries8767]

@@misseselise3864 David was operating machinery which he did not have a license for and David CAN (and should, actually) be charged for potential manslaughter.

[@Butterflier00]

@@toddvandries8767 i need Legal Eagle to do a breakdown of that.

[@Brit15102]

Shane and James shouldn’t even have the option to comeback. KZbin and other platforms should do better at not allowing people who are a danger to their fans or others to not be allowed to comeback and continue making money off their fans. They should do a better job as a company since the people coming back obviously have no remorse or sincerity towards their actions. Also how how all James victims are kids and how if he comes back it’s only showing them that even if they do come forward there’s no consequences for the people involved except the kids who probably got bullied by their loyal fans.

[@rosettaquartz5072]

LOUDER FOR THE PPL IN BACK OMG

[@SammyP038]

I think this applies to David as well. He almost KILLED multiple of his friends. He should not be allowed on this platform

[@amandabauer9129]

Fuck James but I don’t care what anybody says I love Shane Dawson I’ll be a fan forever people are so offended by what he did in his past who gives a shit he’s apologized 1 million times he makes great contact there’s nobody else like him on our platform not saying there’s not other amazing creators but Shane‘s got something special with his videos and to be honest I miss them and I’m not afraid to say it fuck you cancel culture

[@sunnyspinach]

James should be in prison

[@katierachel2318]

@@amandabauer9129 you said fuck james yet defend shane? dude he’s racist and said and acted in really disgusting way with his underage fans, that’s disgusting to defend him

[@unusualROX123]

David Dobrik’s content is the same kind of material that was popularized by Jackass except it has none of the parental advisory, warnings, or crew making sure that any kind of safety precautions and/or paramedics are on sight for their dangerous stunts. The worst part is that it’s paraded around as CHILD FRIENDLY CONTENT. He needs to be demonetized forever.

[@BuilderBobda]

Well, the problem is that even in the height of his popularity his channel didn’t have ads anyway. He made money through sponsorships, so demonetizing will not do anything. He wasn’t considered child friendly by KZbin since there was cussing and other reasons, so he’s not had ads like a typical youtuber. Now I agree that the public seems to believe he was child friendly (which is completely ridiculous even before people found out about the sexual assault and other incidences).

[@Nicole__Natalia]

I don’t think his yt was ever considered child friendly, that’s why he never had ads. All you had to do was watch one video and you’d know. So, any parent who thought it was has some serious issues and/or is just a bad parent

[@thelonleyUchiha1]

And also the jackass guys were friends and while they did crazy stuff if someone actually got badly hurt it wasn’t brushed off and actually care about their friends and...you know...there not guilted into performing

[@toris5605]

@@thelonleyUchiha1 also the jackass guys actually got paid, unlike David’s “friends”

[@Caroline-us1hn]

Here I am hoping that Jenna Marbles will ever feel comfortable enough to come back... I need a plant update Edit: just to be sure: I don't think she'll ever return and I do wish her the very very best if she doesn't, and she deserves the rest she so desperately wants... though if, and I say IF, she ever decides to return, I will love to watch her video's

[@BeckyAngelix]

Me too but I sadly doubt she will ❤️ I could tell from her last year of content she was kinda running out of steam

[@toltorg]

@@BeckyAngelix I agree. Tbh 10 years in any job is such a long time, and in one that is so public like that. I don’t blame her. I hope she’s living the best life that she deserves.

[@cassandramae85]

@@BeckyAngelix Yea sadly I think she was looking to stop soon anyway. I just wish it was under more positive conditions 😞 Miss her so much and I hope she is happy and healthy ❤

[@kelleya6702]

I need a doggie update! ❤

[@clarebankhead7676]

@@kelleya6702 julien put up a dog birthday video a few days ago !!💕

[@CauseItsReal]

Yeah, don't take a shot whenever she says "comeback." Take a refreshing sip of water instead. Stay hydrated people.

[@rosasingaria]

I swear David took a huge break a while ago for no apparent reason, but he was super keen to jump back into filming again this time, like damnnn 😩🙈

[@smexipenguin]

Didn’t that break end up lining up with Jeffs accident? I imagine he was in pure panic mode to safe his ass when that happened.

[@carnuatus]

@@smexipenguin also COVID.

[@ProudSwifty]

@@carnuatus mostly to attempt to cover his ass though

[@CJAmara]

For me, it's not about forgiving people - none of these people did anything to me and I have nothing to forgive them for. How I see it, it's more so that I have set a standard for myself of what I will not accept from the people in my life, the content I consume and the people I support. Everyone makes mistakes but some mistakes are worse than others and some mistakes aren't mistakes, but proven patterns of deliberate behaviour. Once someone acts below that standard, I just have to part ways. No beef, no hate, but what David Dobrik did, what Shane Dawson did and what Jail Charles did crossed a line. I'm not angry with them, I'm not upset with them, I just can't countenance supporting them. Tati hasn't yet crossed that line.

[@nopenopexx]

That’s such an interesting take actually. I find slightly off putting how influencers ask for forgiveness and in turn the audiences condescendingly accept it or not. That’s not holding someone accountable, often times it’s mob mentality, slapping someone on the wrist and then they are allowed to comeback. It’s better to have a conversation, point out what is wrong, internalize it and make a new standard for yourself moving forward.

[@CJAmara]

@@nopenopexx most of the time their audiences are accepting apologies and forgiving these influencers when it’s not their place to accept the apology

[@My.HumbleOpinion]

It sounds like you have a very healthy way of deciding who/what to patronize and we should all be so considerate and responsible. Good for you! 😊

[@Deanna417]

Well said!!!

[@mavenoire3704]

My thoughts exactly.

[@michelleplass5310]

To be fair, James Charles "interacts" with his fans....just not appropriately.

[@rachelthava709]

Hahaha I was looking for a comment like this!

[@kylie9447]

Oop lmfao

[@aunnaw7134]

the crazy thing about david is just how severe his “problematic” behavior was. not only did he know and film and upload a video of his friend SAing a girl, he gave his friend permanent BRAIN DAMAGE. that’s insane and everyone is acting like he got exposed for nothing big.

[@javiag77]

And after his friend SA the girl. He kept hanging out with him, but in his video he said i can't believe he did this, after i find out i stopped being friends and i stopped showing him in my videos. But u go at the r**ist channel and u see multiple recent videos with David on it. lmao

[@KreeZafi]

There really has not been enough outrage about David, he honestly deserved far more outrage than James and Shane - not that what they did was okay in any way, just saying that David was even worse.

[@toris5605]

He also facilitated SA on Seth, and didn’t pay any of his “friends” to be in his videos. He’s like a director that doesn’t pay the actors, and doesn’t have any insurance, and no safety measures on set

[@neogenesis0065]

I feel like rn, Gabbie Hannnah has gone beyond being cancelled (cancelling herself, sabotage) and we aren't even half-way through her "series" O_________o

[@neogenesis0065]

I'm seriously not seeing any openings for her to have a chance of coming back from this and it's getting really scary.. because I think she knowingly did this...

[@gsd715]

@@neogenesis0065 interesting you don't see her having any openings to come back because I feel the opposite, her videos of her series are being received very well according to the comments. There are people saying they now understand, they forgive, they love seeing the "real Gabbie" which I think is because she's masterful at doing the "what about" distraction tactic so people compound all those other peoples as a whole vs her by herself which makes them see her as a victim and forgive her. Gabbie is doing a long game for sure and her series is just another play, she knows that to continue living her lifestyle she could afford it via KZbin because her music will never be taken seriously by the music industry and listeners so it's either do the long game or actually totally leave and get a job in the career field of her two degrees.

[@LesleyMVA]

@@neogenesis0065 I agree with you. I don’t think there’s any way for her to come back from this because the last time she was canceled she never really came back. She’s fantastic at getting people to talk about her, and driving people to other content creators channel’s that are talking about her. However, people aren’t going to her channel to see what she’s producing. By making the public frustrated and content creators coming out against her that ordinarily are silent, I don’t see a redemption arc or a come back in her future. I do find it concerning because when people make such permanent decisions or actions it usually means something. Hopefully it just means that she’s decided to live her best life out of the public eye and nothing damaging. I really never want to see the world against one person it just doesn’t feel right to me so I really do hope that she’s ok and the people that feel wronged by her are ok as well. Generally I don’t keep up with drama like this but it’s actually very hard to ignore so many people are mad at her.

[@miseryfell6417]

@@aduckofsomesort Yeah and even on her own videos you can see the pushback in the comments, especially the Escape The Nightmare one after Rosanna tweeted and Joey made his video in response. The attitude in the comment section of that ETN video is way different from her first one.

[@Alltheclevernamesaretaken]

She’s been deleting comments on her videos as well as turned off likes and dislikes..

[@rogueish28]

For a generation so dead set on "holding people accountable" they sure are quick to support the morally wrong....

[@drawingsticks5333]

I mean it's all performative activism.

[@rogueish28]

@@drawingsticks5333 So when being canceled, it really means boosting celebrity... got it....

[@racheljoyce1363]

It's almost like an entire generation of people aren't a monolith hivemind

[@semolinalibra]

Yup an ENTIRE generation takes part in this stupidity. You’re talking to a Gen Z that doesn’t even have tik tok. Let’s not talk about us because when I bring in Millenials, it’s not gonna be pretty

[@rogueish28]

@@semolinalibra I mean you can bring millennials, xennials, gen x, boomers, into it... Every generation has problems... I don't normally have any issues with Gen Z... Do I think they do stupid shit sometimes, yes... Eating tide pods, and the Kylie Jenner lip challenge to name a couple... But what I can respect about Z's is that they are the LOUDEST generation... They are the generation that is actually heard... I blame that on the fact that they have so many different social media platforms to be heard on... Meanwhile the only things that millenials really had was Myspace and then later Facebook... Even with that being said though, this so called "cancel culture" didn't start with millenials, it started with Zs... And the fact that they are quick to cancel someone and then go back supporting them 6+ months later, well it says a lot....

[@21Michichi]

I still think James should be facing criminal charges (or civil suit from victims even) his apology video was basically a confession to crimes. Edit; Also, I think "setting an example" is a perfect way to put it and is extremely important even if they, at some point, make a comeback.

[@oggyboggy8692]

Seriously. That podcast clip of him saying that he considers himself to have the maturity of a 40 year old but is only romantically/sexually interested in people that are "as young as he can get them" really cemented to me that he is a predator.

[@1957DLT]

I still do not understand why the police have not become involved not only in the first place but also because of all the social media chatter about it. How was this not pursued considering minors were involved?

[@dianamungaray]

@@1957DLT I think there were people that did go to the police. The issue is that it takes a while for these things to process properly. The only thing we can do is hope that enough of his victims reported his awful behavior to the police to have sufficient evidence to incarcerate James.

[@CJAmara]

Yh of all the people that have been recently cancelled, Tati is the least offensive to me. I was able to watch her comeback video but there is no way I could stand to watch David Dobrik ever again and Shane and James will never get any form of recognition from me. What David, Shane and James did was just beyond the pale in my opinion

[@carnuatus]

Also half of what Tati said was right. Not excusing all the other stuff she said and did... But.

[@davidmathews226]

I agree about Tati being the least offensive, but her comeback video was so manipulative. I don’t know if she’s filtering the comment section but I was surprised nobody was pointing that out.

[@CJAmara]

@@davidmathews226 I would be surprised if she wasn’t filtering comments

[@ThereAre4Lights]

Still don't really understand what she did exactly. She was right on a lot of the stuff about James too. People accuse women who cry of being manipulative way too easily and it's mysoginistic as hell

[@hrithikasarvodayan]

@@davidmathews226 what part of it would you say is manipulative ?

[@matthewcarlson9591]

Honestly whenever KZbinrs come back after a scandal, it just reminds me of showing up to a party you were kicked out of because you were fighting. Like who wanted this?? (Besides their children fanbases who literally don’t know better)

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Honestly they arent even scandals anymore they are legit committing CRIMES.

[@dannyrivera2733]

@@lesbiangoddess290 Literally if Creepshow Art comes back and there’s people in the comments cheering her on I will fucking scream

[@TuesdaysArt]

@@dannyrivera2733 I don't think she'll be coming back, unless she becomes the Jeffrey Star of the commentary community.

[@dylantd9189]

I mean I'm 22 and studying my masters in communications and I'll watch when Shane comes back. He's funny, makes thought provoking videos, and is very relatable to me. I can look at the videos subjectively look past the creator, especially when they've had years to change and grow. Also, judging my Shane's 20M subscribers I doubt they're all kids. Most are OG fans which are in their 20s/30s.

[@lauryn5701]

@@TuesdaysArt well you were wrong…..

[@SarahOConnor-vi3ue]

I wish the internet as a collective could just decide okay were gonna let commentary and drama channels to watch and make summaries of these videos like david's first vlog after his break or shane's inevitable video after over a year long break, and we all agree to not watch it and let it FLOP, numbers wise. then were supporting smaller creators like you who comment on the videos and we aren't giving our views to bad influences and contributing to the spectacle of it all

[@MaryElizabeth611]

I couldn't agree more!

[@sarinabina5487]

@@MaryElizabeth611 same!!

[@lolacucaaa]

this!! i always try to wait until someone makes a video about the situation so i don’t have to give money to people that don’t deserve it

[@hannerikruger7216]

Lmao yeah I do this now after the Shane Jeffrey stuff because they do not deserve my hate watch

[@MADKC4Ever]

I think that can be very dangerous. We need to watch content on our own and form our own opinion and not just follow whatever opinion your favorite channel has. It's not healthy to live in echo chambers. I watch commentary videos after I've formed my own thoughts about the content to challenge myself and see what others are also thinking - not for them to "tell" me what my opinion should be.

[@Tailored_Talons]

The whole “I miss my fans” thing is gross. They couldn’t give a rats ass about their viewers. It’s manipulative and a calculated way to make their viewers feel bad for holding them accountable for their shitty choices. All they care about is MONEY. 🤮 Shane, James & David need to be removed and BANNED from having a platform on any social media site.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

"I miss the money and ego boost from being worshiped online" basically

[@1957DLT]

Yup, they ‘come back’ because KZbin is too big of a pay check to live without.

[@madisonsiciliano4439]

David literally almost killed a man - how can any single human could support him after that when there are so many other talented creators that deserve a platform???

[@kairos-049]

Obviously, I'll never know Tati's "true" character but among the offenders in this whole "bye sister" scandal, she didn't seem to be acting maliciously. Like... Jeffree Starr and Shane Dawson both have displayed a history of manipulative behavior, not really displaying remorse or changing what they admitted were bad behaviors... they love the drama and they have continually done things to stir up drama at other people's expense. This was Tati's first big scandal, it really seems like she wants nothing to do with drama ever again, and I'm inclined to believe her

[@carnuatus]

She was salty that James "betrayed" her... But. She seemed to be rather spot on in her accusations.

[@ThereAre4Lights]

Thank you!!! I never understood why she got cancelled exactly. Being a bit of a crybaby doesn't mean you have to get blacklisted and compared as "just as bad" as literal r*pists. It's an age old stereotype that women who are "over" emotional are wicked manipulators and it's mysoginistic as f

[@sakasusuk]

@@carnuatus HONESTLY I didn’t even understand why she got cancelled! She was right the entire time and then James got away with it for years! Now he’s probably gonna do it again coz he ApOloGiZed 🙄🙄🙄

[@sakasusuk]

@Xx Xx true but idk I feel like she’s definitely redeemable in comparison to the criminal level things ‘other’ utuber have done. I just think she’s emotionally immature and always wants attention. Other than that she’s alright

[@lewdawg69]

It’s honestly misogyny why she’s compared to the others. IMO I think she was just talking abt what she witnessed James do, I honestly do not think she was in the wrong lol

[@babygirl222ful]

I've seen this phenomenon of like, other traditional celebrities trying to "cancel cancel culture" and it's majorly disappointing to see. Margaret Atwood signed one of those online petitions for it which feels just so wrong and uncomfortable as she's someone who literally writes about being liberated from tyrrany and holding oppressors accountable. I know cancel culture and accountability culture are different, and I'm glad the tone of these conversations is changing to simply addressing the actions and refusing to let bad behavior be acceptable, but I wish people like Atwood would realize it's important for cancel culture to be what it is until it isn't.

[@8LyJu8]

The thing that happens with a lot of highly intelectual people, is that they kind of asume others are like them. Basically: it wouldn't surprise me if Atwood signed that because she thinks everyone understands things at her level.

[@129grimm]

Margaret Atwood also signed an open letter in 2016 denouncing UBC for firing a writer/professor who was accused of sexual misconduct and she wrote an op-ed in 2018 suggesting the #MeToo movement has been taken over by extremists, so unfortunately I'm not surprised by her stance on "cancel culture." She hasn't had a great track record on the issues she's supposed to be a champion of.

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

@@129grimm Wow that’s disappointing

[@drawingsticks5333]

@@herefortheshrimp1469 it might also depend in which circles Margaret Atwood moves. Like, I saw creators being "canceled" on Twitter for very stupid reasons or companies fire people only for PR reasons and maybe re hire them quietly later (like James Gunn) and whatnot. Hell, I saw Neil Gaiman (who I think is a friend of Atwood) being accused of homophobia for his writing in the adaptation of Good Omens. If that was all I was exposed to, I would also be like "fuck cancel culture'.

[@SparkleDeluxe_minecrafter]

Atwood is very much a second wave feminist. She was important and her works had high impact, but unfortunately she isn't as progressive as people think she is.

[@firequeen9018]

Fans some how think that apologizing just fixes everything. Like no further action is needed to actually fix their mistakes. That’s not how “ I will change” works. Where is the change?

[@elllana]

Because most of these fans are children. Which makes the manipulation by these influencers even more insidious.

[@TheKnallkorper]

Because from young ages, many people are taught to apologize even if they don’t mean it.

[@TahtahmesDiary]

@@TheKnallkorper And you just mutter sorry and leave and nothing is fixed.

[@arthurgomes776]

when she said the white male privilege i started screaming period like girl SPEAK ON IT

[@squidward9155]

The way that I don’t like any of these people but will listen to Hannah talk abt them for actual hours 😭

[@Rain_Reign]

Yes same 🤣

[@ReagannJ]

I absolutely agree that calling out bad behavior is important, even if the person themselves doesn’t face consequences. When David Dobrik was being cancelled, I noticed a lot of the same behaviors in one of my friends. I ended the friendship and had to report them officially through my university.

[@OpqHMg]

wow, well done!

[@mfuentes4961]

All of these creators still coming back (with a significant amount of support) after being called out for extremely shitty behavior is further proof that ‘cancel culture’ doesn’t exist and that people just use the term and idea of it as a scapegoat to excuse the shitty behavior of their faves and themselves.

[@bensadowitz3741]

"They don't interact with their fans in the first place" was an... intersting wording to describe James Charles

[@aniao8745]

I was thinking the same lol

[@oggyboggy8692]

Shane too considering he told a fan to twerk for him and take off her clothes on a video call.

[@user-hp3kz6bo5i]

My biggest flex is that I’ve grown detached enough from parasocial relationships in general that it was easy for me to drop these people without emotional confusion whatsoever.

[@peggedyourdad9560]

Same here, it still kinda hurts, but I’m still able to sleep at night without it bothering me. I wonder it there are going to be any new studies on parasocial relationships involving fans and content creators.

[@user-hp3kz6bo5i]

@@peggedyourdad9560 unfortunately, the internet diminished some gaps between the viewer and the celebrity. Back then, you watch them through a gnarly tv or a posed magazine, these days vlogs makes it seem like they’re directly talking to you. Took me a while to get over it myself tbh.

[@peggedyourdad9560]

@@user-hp3kz6bo5i Yea, this is why I think it should be studied more nowadays because, like you said, the gap between the creator and the viewer much smaller than in recent decades. I don’t want to make it seem like I’m trying to be rude, but I genuinely don’t understand people who form such strong feelings for people they don’t know and/or don’t know them. I never experienced having a parasocial relationship with someone or something(at least not to the extent of a lot of people) and I’m genuinely curious why and how people do form these relationships.

[@user-hp3kz6bo5i]

@@peggedyourdad9560 I’ve been on the internet since I was a kid (a kid, not a teenager lmao) so I get how it happens. It’s prob the equivalent of idealizing a teenage crush-they don’t know everything about them but they’re so hung up on the IDEA of them that they start filling up gaps. This is probably why Shane Dawson fans infantilize him, I think. All they see of him is self-depreciation and overt acts of kindness so they assumed he’s just a meek 30-year-old who’s supposedly too sensitive to take criticism or something.

[@peggedyourdad9560]

@@user-hp3kz6bo5i I’ve also been online since I was a kid(about 6 or 7) and yea, I think you’re right about it being similar to a teenage crush in that it involves people projecting qualities onto a creator based on what the creator has shown and then the people getting attached to that idea of who the creator is.

[@kerigankeas3099]

My line of no return on a creator is generally set at causing harm to another person physically, emotionally or mentally and then not taking responsibility for it or not acknowledging it. Anything involving sexual harassment or anything along that road is an immediate no. I typically go case by case but those the the biggest ones for me.

[@ChicSabrina]

I find one of David’s first videos back really disturbing when Todd sent David in to record Natalie privately sitting in bed without pants or underwear on and when David saw that she was naked, instead of leaving or turning off the camera, he laughed and continued recording her as she tried quickly covering herself with the blanket. Natalie called Todd a “sick f**k” for thinking that was funny to orchestrate. Even after her shock and saying that was sick, David and Todd just laughed about it all. nbd, just recording you naked without your consent Nat!! Part of the job and this friendship!! They JUST got in trouble for consent and SA issues and David and Todd still think it’s funny to invade a woman’s privacy and record and use her body without consent for their entertainment. They learned nothing.

[@ChicSabrina]

And I’m aware Natalie laughed in the clip, but there’s a difference in when you laugh at a situation because it’s actually funny and when you laugh from shock and being uncomfortable. I also assume she gave permission for him to upload it, (which also plays into the conversation of the dynamics of their friend group and saying “no”), but my point is that Todd and David still thought invading her privacy and recording her partially naked without her consent was funny in the first place - despite their past issues with consent and both David and Todd’s alleged roles in the SA allegation.

[@SarahOConnor-vi3ue]

I think people say "oh this person will never come back" and then they do and everyone acts all shocked when they are also the ones allowing it. Analyses like this help us an audience be more aware of the patterns of behaviors that we aren't seeing or are choosing to ignore. Thank you Hannah!!

[@gsd715]

Fool me once shame on them, fool me twice shame on me, three times... NOPE, no third time for me because there are things that cross a line and cannot be forgiven when there's people still being harmed. Also KZbin needs to step in and start permanently demonetizing people if they don't want to stand by their rights as a private company to deplatform someone.

[@jalyn947]

What I don’t get, is that many have committed crimes or done heinous things. Why is it up to the fans to “cancel” them and not KZbin the company to remove their platform and/or the police arresting them?

[@Saint_Medusa]

Because KZbin cares about money over all also there is probably a clause where KZbin make it's clear that although you used KZbin you don't represent KZbin and that enough room to let KZbin let anyone used them

[@jalyn947]

@@Saint_Medusa that’s understandable. It’s just wild because it’s like the only social media site where people can’t be named or removed

[@Saint_Medusa]

@@jalyn947 the only way they could be removed is of the government comes after them like aka onison and jstation

[@notthatcreativewithnames]

They should end up like Austin Jones. People who have been sexually abused, for example, should be encouraged to come up front and "sue" them if what they did are criminal offences, regardless how many subscribers they have.

[@Sagesi]

I feel like the intro is softer than usual and I am LOVING it! It feels so comforting, and like we’re just spilling tea on FT at 2am so we gotta be chill 🤣

[@apallamystik246]

honestly I’m happy Tati is back to making content because to me her “scandal” was more of a situation of the straw that broke the camel’s back which lead to a personal failing on her part rather than being a pattern of disgusting behavior like the others mentioned in the video

[@gurolukyasmine]

David’s comeback is frustrating. People were hurt emotionally and physically yet, after just two months, he’s being given so much support. I think he needs to move off of the platform all together

[@aniao8745]

And they all seem so cocky about it, too... Dom, Jeff, even the girls

[@clandestine73647]

I know this is an odd comment, but your videos have been providing me such comfort as I’m currently struggling with my mental health. It’s a relief to watch something I enjoy while I’m struggling so much. Thank you for all you do. 💓

[@kelseyc3721]

Hope you feel better soon. You are not alone. Thinking of you!

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Hang in there. I'm sure you've had hard days before and gotten through it, and there are good days ahead of you- all you have to do is take care of yourself to the best of your ability and get to that place. Every little thing you can do to be gentle and nurturing with yourself will carry you there. Be patient with yourself.

[@HeartseekerJinx]

Reminder that cooperations are inherently more powerful than people in our society right now. Holding people accountable doesn’t work because the companies that give them their platforms refuse to risk their profit margins.

[@MaplePolarBear921]

Very underrated comment, I wish I could like it a bunch more 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@shouldacouldawoulda5]

Im calling it now: David will have a death on his hands if he continues to make the content that he does. He clearly was not doing any kind of self-reflection over his little break, and just based off that clip of the golf cart alone Im shocked it hasn't happened already.

[@cali908]

it’s hard to not say your intro with you. it’s so iconic! ❤️

[@cassandramae85]

I swear the whole "canceling" idea comes from drama channels and bored people in general just looking for views and excitement. It doesn't really mean anything. It just really angers me when the person that is being cancelled actually deserves it and did some horrible things, and they're still allowed to come back 😡 Also, I think too many youtubers are using cancel culture for negative attention, and it makes me sad that it works. They act out and it gets them more views and more money.

[@469ka37]

Canceling actually came from black users on Twitter and tumblr as a way of noting that they will no longer be consuming anything this person creates. It got co-opted by white people the same way most AAVE does and turned into the mess we know it to be today.

[@abrilvonbunny6205]

I was just scrolling your channel to re-watch because I was craving Hannah 😭 you never dissapoint me hhahah

[@celestecelestial90]

To me it’s not about me “forgiving” a brand or an influencer. I don’t have any personal connection to a brand nor am I friends with influencers who have been cancelled, so it’s not my place to forgive especially if nothing was done to me personally. It’s just that after a brand or an influencer does something that’s shocking or very offensive, then I can’t help but look at them in different light. I don’t want to support a brand with racist allegations and end up with a negative interaction by the brand owner one day if I have an order issue or being treated like trash by customer service because I’ve heard about those things happening allegedly based on what people have told me. I don’t want to make a comment about not liking a brand or palette in someone’s video and have that influencer chew me out because they are offended because they have personal ties to the brand or stan the brand in some way. It hasn’t happened to me me but I’ve seen it happen to other people. I can’t help how I feel. I want to support brands and people I like and I don’t like mean spirited, dishonest, racist, homophobic, sexist, annoying brands and people. There’s so many other non problematic brands and non problematic people I can support. They aren’t my friends so I don’t owe them any type of loyalty or support, just like they don’t owe me anything. I know people get caught up in parasocial relationships but I try to be level headed about it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Severalorangepeels]

I also don’t agree with the statement “cancel culture doesn’t work” and I just kind of realized why. It works a lot more with mainstream celebrities, at least from what I’ve seen, because they rely on companies like record labels or film studios to get jobs. Companies will often cut ties with celebrities who have been cancelled just for pr and money reasons. The company usually doesn’t have any actual morals either way, but if that celebrity is less popular/profitable, they’ll get less job opportunities, for better or for worse. With KZbinrs, on the other hand, they can just come back whenever they want to. They might not get as many sponsorships, but they’re able to get back to what is left of their fanbase much more easily than mainstream celebrities.

[@MaplePolarBear921]

Completely agree 👍🏼

[@whelkpeopleofdoom]

Girl, you are so incredibly smart, observant and self aware. I would pay a ridiculous amount of money to have coffee with you and just hear what you're thinking about on any given day. Thank you for penetrating the beauty community with some realness and critical thinking. Your videos no doubt give some simps pause and make them reconsider their dedication to these huge influencers. Thank you for doing what you do.

[@sakasusuk]

Yo but Tati’s case wasn’t so bad, she did tried to warn everyone about Jame’s predatory on young boys and straight men BUT NO ONE LISTENED.

[@sandrae2398]

anything involving sexual assault or domestic violence is unforgivable to me

[@jessshorst]

thank you for always posting time stamps! i love looking through them like it’s a chapter book kinda thing :)

[@BigBeatlesFan121]

I agree with your take here. I wish people didn't view calls for accountability as an all or nothing scenario where these creators either lose everything and can no longer come back to social media or it was a waste of time. The end goal for these creators should be to address their actions, apologize if it is necessary, and show a change in behavior and mentality. Calls for accountability are both for the creator themselves to change their behavior and face the reality of their actions and also creating a culture where we and others who are not influencers do not replicate the harmful behavior we call out. These movements to hold creators accontable should be more about changing all of our behavior to be more inclusive and positive and helpful and less about retribution (actually it shouldn't be retributive at all!). As for what I want out of comebacks, I'm not sure. I guess I don't want them to be a repeat offender and I don't want them to be making excuses for their actions. But other than that, whether or not I like the comeback will depend on how much i already enjoyed them and/or their content. And i'm not an all or nothing person when it comes to apologies - just bc it isn't perfect doesn't mean it was bad, and just bc some ppl got angry doesn't necessarily mean that those feelings are valid based on the action being deemed harmful or "problematic"

[@Jess-up5ou]

I wasn’t upset at all about Tati. I understand your perspective, but she seemed very genuine, it sucks that she got mixed up with the wrong people & had to learn a hard lesson but she deserves her platform. James, Shane & David deserve prison & to never be around children ever again.

[@candyqueen31]

I agree. And in the end who did she really even hurt with her videos/claims? James, Jeffree, and Shane? 3 people who have now been revealed to have deserved to be cancelled? Like sorry I don’t feel bad for them…. I also feel in a way that if she hadn’t done what she did, it would’ve taken a lot longer for those three to get cancelled which would have allowed them to hurt more people in the process and make more money that they don’t deserve.

[@Jess-up5ou]

@@candyqueen31 exactlyyyyy!!!!

[@kaitlynand7070]

When I heard the news David was coming back, I instantly flew to Twitter to see what the reactions were and I was astounded how positive it was. It was as if people had entirely forgot everything that had happened, all the shit he had been held accountable for. People were welcoming him back with open arms. Which is sad. You tubers like David and Shane can only “comeback” because they know they still have an audience and a fan base that will be there no matter what. It’s not like with movie stars were they are dropped by agents and essentially blacklisted if they are “cancelled.” KZbin can demonitize them all they want, but they can still continue their career on the platform. And it sucks even more (and I’m guilty of this too), in this age of social media, there is a fascination with these people. When they do make their “comebacks” people will watch. Just to see.

[@NecaylPerry]

Watching this in the bath coming down from an anxiety meltdown. You always make me feel better!

[@silent_midnights6285]

Scrolling through KZbin to find something to watch and discovered you had uploaded! So excited to see your views on Tati’s comeback!

[@Pew3860]

Ayyyeee🔥🔥 Here after finishing a paper.... ready to let my mind relax 😌

[@itsmekte]

Omg I’ve been waiting for you to talk about Tati’s comeback!!

[@AyaObaid12]

i love your videos. i just discovered you but i already have your post notifications on. i love how detailed and intricate you are with topics, definitely interesting!

[@jaclyncometa790]

Thanks so much for putting up content like this, I really look forward to your videos!

[@musique1o1]

I think we need to look at it differently. Cancel culture never existed, it's about holding people accountable and then making a conscious decision on supporting them or not. I myself have no issue with Tati returning, and I'll watch her while she focuses on make up. Then there's the others, well, I won't support them, it's a personal choice. I can't make other people feel as offended as I feel about racism, homophobia and SA. Kenya also brought up a great point, it would take a lot for me not to stan Beyonce, others might feel that way about the likes of JS, SD or DD. Can't relate but it is what it is.

[@mack.attack]

I totally agree with your point about it being about more than just the person but setting a standard. I mean this is why we have such a strong drive for gossip and 'tea' and humans always have...because it matters because this is how we decide and come to consensus about what is and what is not acceptable conduct and what are we gonna do about it, etc.

[@ashleyy_rosee24]

I love how honest you are! I just discovered you a few days ago, I’ve watched so many videos so far lmao you’re awesome!

[@sarahdemarrero3520]

So I just discovered your podcast and vlog channel this week, and I am LOVING all the glow content 🙌

[@jennifer_moss]

It's like you knew I was getting ready to have dinner and was looking for a video to watch 💞

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

Can we please uplift smaller creators (particularly BIPOC)? We as a society should have moved past the need for Shane, James, and David

[@outlast_the_night7727]

This was another great video, Hannah! I love hearing your perspective on these topics, because even when you get "ranty" I feel like you are still so much more level-headed than I am 😂 To answer your closing question, I think what makes the difference for me with the comebacks of creators has a lot to do with the severity of what made them leave in the first place, especially legally speaking. I think a lot of people often tend to forget that having a platform and/or large following on KZbin is a privilege for creators, big or small, and not a right. No one is entitled to the benefits YT or social media might provide for them, may that concern their following or paycheck. I think the fact that people like JS, SD and JC are still feeling confident enough to even show their face on the internet in such a bold, unapologetic way is such a slap in the face to everyone who was ever hurt by them. I feel with them the legal, real-world consequences of the literal crimes they have been guilty of just has not translated into their "influencer status" and it makes me feel very angry and numb at the same time that so many people and stans are still willing to look beyond that, and that they will likely never face any legal consequences for their actions in whatever way, shape or form. I am not against redemption arcs, and I do believe that people need to be allowed a chance to learn and grow from their mistakes when they are being called out for them and can apologise for them in a sincere way. I really do. I can forgive someone when I see them grow as a person and grow out of problematic behaviours, but with some creators this is not a case of someone being petty, or using a slur for attention or something. It's illegal stuff that should have gotten them banned off the platform, and yet here they are, still allowed to profit off of their name as an influencer.

[@niahelmee6890]

i love your new set up/background. it looks very cosy and relaxing.

[@cnb716]

Let’s not forget Tati was also rightfully getting heat for befriending J*. Knowing David Dobrik’s behavior makes it so confusing that he and Liza Koshy dated since she seems like someone who wouldn’t tolerate it. Edit: I don’t remember everything from Tati’s video, but her calling out JC’s inappropriate sexual behavior wasn’t the best way to handle it, but she clearly wasn’t lying

[@log81427]

She did say she was lying in her second video tho, I’m still waiting on an explanation on that

[@cnb716]

@@log81427 I forgot about that. Idk if that will be explained. To me, it seemed like she’s planning to talk about more spiritual things that happened to her in the past year but not any of the “drama”

[@log81427]

@@cnb716 same... I was kinda pissed about it tho, bc it makes me feel like she knew all along and was just angry about the sugarbear ad (like it felt when she started all this drama) so she told everyone, got scolded and then decided to go against jeffree instead of against james

[@cnb716]

@@log81427 I can see that. I think people often have a hard time confronting others, especially loved ones. I took the initial video as the vitamins were her realizing JC is out for himself and that was the final straw. Maybe she’d brought it up before but not as strongly. If JC is manipulative, & personally I would believe he probably is, especially to people who want to believe the best of him (Tati would be in that group) that he said things to manipulate her and showed her things about J* that are true and she changed her opinion. To me, Tati seems very tactful, not malicious. Granted that’s from perception of what I’ve seen of her online presence so I could be completely wrong.

[@log81427]

@Ilzy but she did say that James was dangerous to society bc she was trying to manipulate really young boys into being gay. Idk, I feel like those are pretty serious accusations to “misunderstand” about someone she knew so well, especially when she claimed to have been present in the waiter incident. Anyway we don’t really know the truth so you may actually be right (and I kinda hope you are tbh), I just feel like something doesn’t add up to me 😅

[@madelineo]

I feel like the only apology that has ever gone truly well was Jenna's, and I do not think it was because it was the world's greatest apology, I think it's because she ended it with "and so I'm leaving." She gave herself the harshest "sentence" (whether that was her intention in leaving or not) and in doing so, people truly felt that she meant her apology, and wasn't just trying to save her career, since she was ending it. I have a feeling if she had immediately tried to continue her career she'd have gotten a little more backlash, sort of close to what Colleen had after her scandals. The apologies that go over the best seem directly related to how good the subsequent content is and how much joy it provides. That's why when Trisha deleted the joy of Frenemies from all our routines, the floodgates of every reason people ever hated her before were unleashed, since she was now going to be withholding our precious joy that we'd accepted as collateral in exchange for forgiveness. Weird stuff!

[@demigoddess17]

Hannah you are so wise and know how to break down big topics really well. I love watching your videos and thanks for shedding light on important issues!

[@nabbyash]

I love your videos because they always make me think in a perspective I haven’t thought of before

[@meghansesnie2799]

I’m surprised there isn’t more outrage about James Charles trying to come back. He broke the law and took advantage of children, he should be facing legal consequences! I completely agree that what he, Shane, and David did is unforgivable, and if KZbin continues to promote their content, they are proving that they value money over the safety of the people the use their platform.

[@mkaverage4773]

James & David. David essentially helped set up a r*pe, then filmed it and posted it.

[@Art3mis1990]

I agree with your points, I just want to say that when you said in the beginning that they come back 'even though they've made their money' , it implies that there's actually a limit to human greed. As in, they've made their millions, they should be happy and move on. But I think we can see many rich people behaving like it's never enough, it probably becomes super easy to spend millions and so need more and more. So, I guess in short they come back because there are more millions to be made and spent.

[@petermj]

have had one of the toughest days i’ve had in a long while and i’m very thankful for this video to get my mind off of everything. thanks hannah ♥️

[@lousielouise8716]

This is such a valuable video. This is such a great explanation about why public outrage matters to the culture, and not just to the individual. Thank you for another insightful analysis!

[@ocarstens6045]

I think understanding that the ultimate goal of anyone getting “cancelled” shouldn’t be to have their life ruined. But instead to prevent that behavior from happening again, to learn and grow from it, and to hopefully send a broader message that the behavior isn’t acceptable for anyone! The ruined life seems to be moving into revenge territory instead of rehabilitation or growth.

[@MADKC4Ever]

I think that's the problem I have with this video in particular. It seems as though Hannah is saying that the goal should be "this person behaved badly and did things I don't like so therefore my ideal world is that they just crawl into a hole and go away to never be seen again" rather than "I hope this person can learn from what they have done and come back better and use the platform they built to be a good influence in the future."

[@laradorren8009]

The Tati one is interesting because in hindsight, she was correct about James. Where she messed-up on was equating it to her vitamins, which made her look incredibly self-serving and manipulative. I think as long as Tati stays in her lane, she should be fine.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

She retracted and went back to JC though, despite the fact there's evidence about JC now. Likely as a way to salvage her career. So I feel like she looks even worse now

[@alexiarosalia]

@@jazwhoaskedforthis went back to JC? at the time he was in the clear when she said he was talking with her. But in her newest video she said she hadn’t talked to anyone including jc in over a year.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

@@alexiarosalia if she saw things before that made her say those guys were “emerging into adulthood” I feel like there’s a preeeetty good chance she knew he was up to some shit

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

@@alexiarosalia she hasn’t backed away from him since the newer evidence though has she

[@MelTheMuppetslayer]

I just wanted to share that whenever my toddler Layne hears your intro song and welcome greeting, he gets so excited. 🖤 thank you for always being compassionate and classy, even when you gotta be sassy 🖤🖤

[@sidoniegabrielle269]

i rly love your commentary for how smart and measured it is with acknowledged possible personal bias included - it’s not an absolute rarity in the commentary genre ofc but i realised that’s the particular tone i love about it, the way you word things it’s got a genuinely journalistic sense to it unlike, honestly, quite a bit of commentary and media-deemed journalism (and i mean in the celebrity tabloids & magazines, i don’t mean political journalism that’d be a weird equivalency to make to a mainly famous people commentary channel). idk i just really like it and don’t think i ever thought much about the reasons why specifically, thanks for ya work

[@sahie]

Tati is such a weird case, because she definitely was manipulative, but given everything that’s come out since then...I just don’t know. I feel like she got caught up in everything and was trying to protect her self-interest. As you said, it just makes you cautious about her. I’ve been waiting for someone to do a breakdown of her comeback because I didn’t necessarily want to give her my view (as if my singular view makes a difference 🤣).

[@gemlikestardust]

Dramaggedon was a lesson for Tati to stay in her lane. As long as she doesn't get caught up in all that she will be fine.

[@SamanthaD89]

I agree. I feel like she lost a lot of her credibility and know I’m not sure if I can trust her or not. Something just seems off in her new videos

[@ByHerHand]

Interestingly I couldn’t find a single comment on her comeback video that was not sickeningly sycophantic. Tati has done her dash for me.

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

It’s weird because like...good for her for coming back after all that shit but at the same time...no, thank you. I’m gonna go subscribe to one of the much more talented POC beauty creators. Have fun doing your 8 millionth drug store first impressions- Bye!

[@sativaloves]

Thank you for giving me entertainment while I’m dying of morning sickness! So excited to be a mommy but I feel like I’m dying

[@raisinnet7859]

congratulations! I hope your pain eases soon

[@witabif]

congrats!!!

[@Moji710]

Mine was constant, all 9 months.. both times. Good luck!

[@kyra6744]

stay strong :) wishing you the best!

[@peggedyourdad9560]

I’m sorry about your suffering and I hope it eases up soon, good luck and congratulations with the new baby though!

[@madelineholt66]

Your open-ended conversation videos are my favorite!!!

[@tolson1142]

Off topic from the video but you are the only KZbinr I watch, I’m off all social except you haha. I find you so interesting and your voice is so calming. Love ya girl keep it up!!

[@Rettfet7265]

Honestly, I really appreciated how honest Tati’s comeback video was. She was open and honest about where she’d been and why she left, addressed the status of the legal stuff that had happened while she was gone, and then made a point that she knew the ways that she had screwed up and how she has tried to grow and learn from the mistakes she made in the past during the time she was away. I feel like, for her followers, she’s one of the few influencers who has done the work to earn back their following.

[@kinamx]

david, shane, and james need to stay off the platform and tati needs to keep her nose in her own business and not play business mind games

[@hannahkay396]

your point about setting examples is so true, i think the james situation especially started suuch an important conversation on power dynamics and opened a lot of people's eyes!

[@jordanmaria3633]

You have been glowing your last two videos I love it!

[@rosasingaria]

Just got into bed and needed this!!!! 👏🏻💗🌸

[@jasperyap2389]

"Candle of the day: Lavender. I've been in a very lavender-ry mood." Same, honestly, same. I've been burning my lavender candle for a few days and I love it.

[@cassandramae85]

Smokey Glow I really love your videos! You explain things so well and make so many great points! Thank you for offering a logical perspective! ❤

[@HowToHustleHappier]

honestly my feelings on these things are so mixed and confused... so I'm glad you came through like you always do to clear things up:)

[@guadafleury4558]

I actually didn’t realise how much I missed Tati’s content. To me, she’s honestly so relaxing and I’m just loving the really normal, OG content she seems to be pursuing, I’m happy she came back

[@favourbamidele1329]

Yeah I'm very happy to have my comfort youtuber back. I love all of her recent videos and I hope she continues making that type of content and is done with drama for good.

[@radioactivechihuahua2781]

same! I kind of learned makeup from her and imo nothing she did was unforgivable. maybe left a bad taste at the time but idk didnt seem as bad as actual illegal shit.

[@broadwaybound98]

Same! I am super excited she’s back!

[@unpopped]

Nobody cares

[@omu6740]

same here! she was always such a sense of comfort and i guess, normalcy, to me. just a lady reviewing makeup and giving out her honest opinions. my mom never really taught me how to properly do makeup so tati was my makeup mom growing up. :")

[@TheKianajewell]

People unironically comparing Jackie Aina telling someone to say “excuse me” or having drama with petty Paige to James Charles and Shane Dawson being sexually inappropriate with minors as if they are on the same level of seriousness is extremely problematic.

[@alanmclain7072]

EXACTLY

[@toriymoi6082]

You articulated the “bigger picture” stuff so well! Definitely something important

[@roufaydasaidi6330]

the way you say hello in the beginning....I'M HERE FOR IT!! HELLO GORGEOUS !

[@grannysmith1489]

“Don’t take a shot every time I say ‘comebacks’...don’t do it” Me on my third shot: 😐🧍🏻‍♀️

[@Rain_Reign]

Yeah I’m not over here getting lightly cider tipsy 🥴

[@Alice-ib4cz]

I’m so so excited that Tati is back. Like it makes me feel like I’m in the past in a better time for me when I watched her videos every day

[@AliisaTaipalefr]

I just want to say, that you are awesome. I love to watch your videos, you are bright and often capable to see the bigger picture in phenomenas. Also you seem to be sincere, I respect that & that attribute is not too common these days. I have seen your channel grow, I've been subscriber for a long time now. You truly deserve your succes and I love to see your channel thrive. ❤ I just wanted to say this, I think whenever there is genuinely something positive to say it should be said and I hope you know how respected and loved you are. All the best for you & greetings from Finland.

[@kimberlytobias7441]

queen you’ve been absolutely killin it with the content lately. thank you