"The Whole Model Is Wrong" | Dragons' Den

[@TomNook.]

This guy has the mentality of a politician/counsellor/marketer. "I've listened to you, I appreciate your point, but I'm right"

[@calsmyth4483]

In what regard? He agreed with a lot of what they said, proved some of their claims (i.e. software costs) wrong and gave reasonable arguments against some of their suggestions (turnkey retailing has many pitfalls, hence why most retailers don't use it). It seems like you're following the appeal to authority fallacy. I've noticed that a lot on this channel - a huge following on here are so impressed by their success that they just instantly believe anything they say is correct.

[@BB8enjoyer]

or a Kirby door2door salesman

[@brentfu1119]

You forgot psychopath.

[@stgeorge4559]

​@@calsmyth4483 did you watch it he didn't 😂😂😂

[@garypollard1821]

In this case, it's right to judge a book by its cover. One imagines he lives with his mother and she has never told him "no" .

[@Asif-kh-n9r]

I love how this guy is polite and rude at the same time 😂

[@nachisuper]

From my perspective the guy was not polite at all. Mechanically saying "I appreciate your comments" and "I am listening to you" accomplishes nothing, it's just a facade. True appreciation and listening are actions you do. It's not enough to utter the words. And saying "thank you" is meaningless if you are rude, dismissive and insulting. It's all empty words -- and I don't mean it in the sense of accusing him of lying or deceiving or "not meaning those things", but rather, I point out his complete inability to listen to and onboard external input.

[@scienceevolves4417]

@@nachisuper hmmm 🤔 isn't that a british way of doing things? I can't tell you how many times I've heard that phrase of I'm sorry or thankyou with no intention behind it

[@webrevolution.]

I know little to nothing about his business or what he has achieved so I won't praise any of that but I don't find him being rude at all. He never used any rude words towards any of the investors. He just didn't want to change his mind and didn't want to listen and nod quietly when the dragons were telling him that his business is bad. That's not being rude imho. He just can't hold his mouth shut if others talk crap about his business like they did. Cause let's be honest here. None of the dragons really did constructive criticism, by telling him how he should solve the issue. All they did was blame him for having a business which isn't working and coming with that evaluation.

[@janinajochim1843]

I like that lady who looks like she's gonna come after my 100 Dalmatians

[@iancampbell9297]

Duncans laugh .. when Matthew tries to give peter business advice

[@avatar19971]

At this point I have to click like to all the videos I'm watching so I'll know what I've already seen. The addiction is unwavering.

[@peaky237]

"I thank you for your time"

[@hayden6383]

Imagine being in a relationship with someone who behaved like this every time you brought up an issue. Christ.

[@TomNook.]

I appreciate that you brought this up, I've listened to your comment, but it's too harsh and you're wrong.

[@ouroborostechnologies696]

Well the guy acted normally but worded it differently that could be portrayed negatively.

[@blipp3521]

@@TomNook. hahah! That was good👍

[@severalwolves]

When I first read this, I thought you were saying that Christ was an example of somebody who you could be in a relationship with like this haha

[@Kris_Aalst]

10:12 "To negotiate I think I'd have to offer you 200,000 pound for 105% of the business" 🤣

[@sam08g16]

Imagine if the guy replied: "I accept it!"

[@rita8684]

that was a polite gorden ramsey saying ..i think you are all very silly......105%😊😊

[@amanmaheshwari6084]

For a business with 500,000$ of stock

[@jonathanmarsh5021]

“Ahum…ahum….ahum” you just know when someone makes this noise, they’re up themselves.

[@SeanH1984]

This guy was absolutely spot on in his responses, particularly when Peter was recommending dropshipping. The minute you let the manufacturer or distributor look after everything you lose control. And when Hillary said he wouldn’t be able to make changes to the source code, he clearly has been able to customise it.

[@intrepidtomato]

I don't disagree that I wouldn't like the manufacturer etc to do the customer relations, but they have gone under since

[@kelmanl4]

​@@intrepidtomatoHe survived 10 years though even when facing the issues of amazon, ebay and sport direct eating away at his margins.

[@gundummies]

yes, but half a million worth of stocks is a ridiculous amount in ratio to his business

[@graceycatlady]

Yes, but his stock level is still high for an online retail business. He needs to take a look at his supply chain process and reorder points.

[@acenmitch1048]

When Peter is Asking The First About Your Valuation, You Know It’s Gonna Be A Long Day…

[@bmoney9330]

How Do You Write Like This With Every First Letter A Capital Letter?

[@hey5812]

@@bmoney9330 it's a bot, programmed in China

[@BenjaminGoose]

@@bmoney9330 It's the title of his latest book.

[@andrewroberts8139]

Mamka was dissolved in 2016, according to Companies House

[@EssentialParadox]

The guy now runs an arcade machine rental business

[@prizma45]

@@EssentialParadox avg blkpl

[@waffle_chair9269]

Maybe it sold and was dissolved to start a new company by the buyers no?

[@concrete542]

The amusing thing about this is that the bugger was right, just at the wrong time! The only companies that are now surviving are the ones with large stock holdings, supply chain problems have totally screwed the concept of drop shipping direct from manufacturers!

[@godlikesnake8909]

pre covid

[@gundummies]

yes, but half a million worth of stocks is a ridiculous amount in ratio to his business

[@diabolikalm]

So right… the company is now dissolved 👏

[@bottlesbeer4622]

Matthew 'thank you for your time' Conridge..

[@michaelolson6982]

The dragons tried to explain this is a typically door shipping business and no stock required, his reply ,I not listening.

[@kevint1160]

When ppl comment that they are being harsh, well sometimes honesty is a tough mistress. I am not defending the Dragons but for ppl who have made millions, they definitely have made the same mistakes these people have made and see the folly of it.

[@nickpellatt]

I dont know much, but I see so many pitches where they show a net loss, and even project net loss going forward ... 100k profit sounds ok to me

[@kevint1160]

@@nickpellatt that's why they kinda told him he got a business for himself. But it is not investable.

[@alexthehunted]

looking it up the company was Liquidated in 2016

[@Crispynuggets28]

What a suprise

[@chillywilly541]

No it wasn't, the website is still selling

[@ukamericanmusic6321]

@@chillywilly541 isit doing well?

[@Technicallyimright]

To have to turnover £2mil to make £100,000 profit is shockingly bad. Especially since insurances etc are based on revenue and not profit. The sheer amount of admin reconciling that money for such little profit is unsustainable. Turnover is vanity. Profit is sanity.

[@pianistul21]

Have you checked the balance sheet to see how much salaries he paid and to who?

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

It's all theoretical to you though, having never owned a business yourself.

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

@@pianistul21 balance sheets do not record salaries paid, and no financial statements show who they were paid to. Good try though, you used business words in a coherent sentence, well done

[@TheMikster95]

Considering most startups take years to become profitable, is say his income is impressive, and at worst, the least of his worries

[@Technicallyimright]

@@TheMikster95 well they went busy after 10 years according to the company records. Running a profit margin of 5% is completely unsustainable.

[@foyezali963]

Baffles me when Matthew keeps agreeing when the dragons give him their verdict but doesn't really agree with them at all

[@rita8684]

😀😀😀

[@magicemperor2420]

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you, but, actually, I don't--kidding.

[@NobodyInTraining]

The guy didn't listen, and neither did the dragons. What a pointless exchange from arrogant people.

[@severalwolves]

Love the Kenny Powers hair-do

[@boozypixels]

I bet his 20% 'vendor with discounts' shareholder has no problem filling this guy's warehouse with the crap they can't unload themselves

[@jonathanc3570]

I feel like the dragons were tough from the beginning, they didn’t feel like being friendly lol

[@ProTroll_UK]

I remember when he used to be in Neighbours.

[@BlackBoneNation]

So basically Amazon...

[@GennySavastone]

Dragons missed out on this deal, this guy took the stock of toysrus before they went downhill and all their designers, and manufacturing partners, built a warehouse in Guantanamo bay and have jihads working for him at a low cost. This year he made 789 billion pounds with a net profit of 5 quid

[@johnwest194]

that is too funny thank you

[@delanodegenie6970]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MrBooBeeDoo]

Prat.

[@JamesBradley1147]

789 billion pounds😂😂😂. What are you smoking?

[@lickybombie7778]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Alec_Reaper]

I always thought the shorter videos were the small segments from the show, didn't know this pitch was a full feature

[@PortlandMan]

What? This is standard length. Look through the channel they're all around this amount of time.

[@Alec_Reaper]

@@PortlandMan They used to upload shorter versions of pitches, this was in the playlist furious dragons, but I think they've deleted it when releasing this. The other version was 5 minutes long.

[@alexpegler465]

The exact kind of bloke you try and avoid at work.

[@Reebus_]

"Do you own the source key" surely that is source code...

[@brandonvernet]

Maybe she meant private key to the source code? Lol

[@WobblesandBean]

Source key is different than source code.

[@CelebrianUndomiel]

He has the most irritating personality imaginable. “Yes I see your point” etc etc, all empty fluff words just to come back around to “but I’m still right.”

[@TheJohnCooperShow]

Wasn’t nervy pitch

[@0deepak]

His mind is closed off like fort knox.

[@CKD3332]

The Dragon's can be dicks sometimes, but you are there for an investment so you gotta be more humble.

[@BenjaminGoose]

The dragon's what?

[@pamelamckenzie2685]

I wonder what you doing with your life who you have helped.

[@Ghost572]

The dragons are sometime flat out brain dead, look at some of the points Peter Jones has flagged up in the past.

[@iranicus3393]

Essentially there is no USP, he just does things better than everyone else o.o

[@GirlycarDawn]

In his mind.

[@Sam-yr8ls]

If he didn't things better than everyone else, he wouldn't need the money 🤭

[@c.m.9369]

There is a time to argue and debate and a time to listen to advice. What this guy needs to do is develope a sense for when to argue and when to listen. Because even in the Den, the Dragons are sometimes ok with arguing and entrepreneurs defending their business... but you should be able to tell when the time has come to just listen to them for a moment and take in what they say.

[@wildmooseking]

The mullet was the first warning sign

[@Catherine-rr3uv]

😂

[@RydalS]

That's what I say to flat earthers: "your whole model is wrong!"

[@ifwecouldvote]

"It's a bit too flat! Needs some curves babay!"

[@Zedaso]

How stubborn can you be? He thinks he's right and better than the people sat in front of him, doesn't he know who they are?

[@TheBlueCream]

people 'sitting' in front of him not 'sat'.

[@BenjaminGoose]

@@TheBlueCream It's "sat", you sap.

[@sbaxter4207]

So cool under all that pressure!!

[@abztractboxingandstuff8384]

It’s amazing, some of you are commenting that he was right. 5 experienced entrepreneurs worth hundreds of millions all disagreed, he went under and Peter Jones is now a billionaire. Listen to what you’re saying and if you still think you’re right, give your head a good shake.

[@boorhaave5880]

Please upload the Tingatang pitch

[@cuttlefisch]

Company dissolved in July 2016.

[@SvenReinck]

This must have been before Amazon got big enough… If I understand correctly, he has the same business model and they said this model bad… 😮

[@treehouse7861]

amazon has reviews which is why they became big in the first place

[@MrBooBeeDoo]

I used to work for Amazon when this was aired and I can confirm he pretty much copied their business model.

[@readmycomment3157]

This guy is the original amazon fba seller/dropshipper.

[@MarceloVolcato]

I looked for uninvestable in the dictionary and his picture showed up. LOL!

[@daniel-bkk]

Never seen somebody go DOWN the stairs into the Den!

[@MikeGush.]

The uploader has put the video in reverse to avoid copyright dispute with BBC

[@bourbon2242]

@@MikeGush. This channel is run by the BBC. If they were actually uploading episodes of dragons den, they would’ve been shut down ages ago.

[@MikeGush.]

@@bourbon2242 On this, the rarest of occasions they have actually 'downloaded' the episode..

[@bourbon2242]

@@MikeGush. I don’t see how you could actually prove that but go ahead.

[@MikeGush.]

*Mike Gush Exited The Conversation*

[@UKtoUSABrit]

Suspect the root of his problem comes from his existing 5% business partner - his Mother. I'm guessing this young man has been spoiled.

[@SamRoads]

He made a business that employs people from a £600 seed. He's imperfect, but 90% of businesses fail and he's not failed at the point of broadcast.

[@SamRoads]

@Cee Dub619cameraman “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders" - Socrates 399BC. The kids are alright.

[@blood_upon_the_rose]

The dragons were right his business folded

[@RESISTANCE..3]

Peter is Such a Ledgend 2:39 . No no No! You come to the table with a reasonable valuation before you negotiate and then you get into a debate - not the other way around ! ! lol this man Peter is such a king 👑.

[@GuruSandirasegaram]

When I was a teenager I was rude but my mother taught me love is better than anger. Saw your love I never ever lie to my mother. If anything serious My mother tells to father & discipline me . But hate my father

[@sugs1191]

I actually like this guy tbh.

[@SparrowFX23]

Why? He's a mug.

[@sugs1191]

​@@SparrowFX23he's hilarious

[@tonytoonstours]

He got a big TV notice

[@KnowThyFuture]

Nice pitch from Matt Hardy.

[@sergelim1990]

Wait, what e-commerce website is that again?

[@tacocat717]

What kind of product has this guy in his hair? Which kind/product/ can it be? No joke.🤷🏼

[@davidmellish3295]

If this guy wants to raise cash all he has to do is drain his hair and sell the grease to car manufacturers

[@bourbon2242]

Why are you reuploading content.

[@JackJarvis321]

There's only a number of pitches that are of reasonable length, it's a shame but what can you do :/

[@ANGELSURS]

For that reason I am out

[@Midnight_Freefall]

I think the real crime here is the matching shirt and tie color

[@lolaschwify]

Jag tycker att det är bra att han stod upp för sig själv

[@jessebella9322]

God this is so old lol I saw this when it was on tele years back, I was pleased to see that Eugene from the walking dead series, was trying something other than just acting though

[@anubusx]

I would love to see how the Dragons would be in that world.

[@jessebella9322]

@@anubusx lol imagine it hey

[@leoteasdale7484]

Matthew Matthew Matthew..... Proper Mr know it all....!!!

[@thesource9127]

why the lady in the blue always wearing the same dress?

[@colonelga-taffy6753]

DOES HILARY OWN ANYTHING ELSE APART FROM THE BLUE SPACE SUIT AND THE WHITE DALLAS SUIT

[@badgasaurus4211]

And it’s another repost. Disappointing

[@MitchellTF]

It's got a lot of potential...were someone else running it.

[@WobblesandBean]

Did you notice that he only kept interrupting Deborah and Hilary, not any of the men? Very telling about this man, if you ask me.

[@dumpsterplayer2700]

What; he was interrupting Peter and Theo lol

[@justvaish9902]

Very telling about you tbh.

[@pamelamckenzie2685]

The dragons are not dicks they are the ones that are there to help you and use their money if it was not for them you have a long road they are brilliant people they can cherry-pick its their money.

[@BenjaminGoose]

" they are the ones that are there to help you" LOL they are there to make money.

[@frankelgueta1350]

Your incredible and profound intellectual grasp of the premise of this business process, coupled with your highly articulate manner of conveying it to the rest of the world, is astoundingly UNDERwhelming, and exceedingly LAME 😒🤦🏽‍♂️😒🤦🏽‍♂️😒🤦🏽‍♂️😒🤦🏽‍♂️😒🤦🏽‍♂️😒🤦🏽‍♂️

[@hiimjustin8826]

Matthew is a master debater. I hope that brought him comfort.

[@Sh0gath]

I’m the same but without the de

[@zerolevel100]

More of a master bater

[@hiimjustin8826]

@@zerolevel100 Oh very cool I pretty much get along with anyone that fishes

[@Majormoose1]

He probably thanks himself for his time straight after

[@hiimjustin8826]

@@Majormoose1 I mean I disagree, and you're wrong on every point, and nothing you said has any substance at all. But I thank you for your input, and I'm willing to take your criticisms on board

[@WobblesandBean]

"Mhm....mhm...mhm...EHGM"

[@youTubeisCrapzolla]

speak up can hardly hear this ! poor sound quality

[@ericf323232]

He made money plus has 500k in inventory sounds good to me

[@nx47]

$2M but only 100k profit? That’s bad even if it is a profit lol, means he’s just got his head above water

[@x_dolly666_x]

Oooo we're repeating stuff now.

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

Always have been...with the rest of the series. You're late to the party.

[@fourfourniner8873]

@@TheManInBlueFlames stfu no one give you permission to speak

[@MichaelGarland]

Clearly a student of the Geldolf school of economics. "Give us yer feckin money".

[@worldcitizen2030]

Who would like to work with this guy?

[@Ginadammit]

This didn't age well. I cackled throughout this entire video, because Peter basically described a drop-shipping business model to this guy, who retorted that his business model was better. Okay, "Mamka", tell that to present-day Amazon. LOL

[@AManofSorrows]

Smug mode.... neutralised

[@gmwdim]

The business had 600k cash and operated with net profit, why did he even need another 200k in investment anyways?

[@SparrowHawk2009]

How is the business doing today?

[@studentpocketguide]

"You're right", (I'm right).

[@jamiegreenham4140]

Lol the guy who has 20% probably gets more back than he discounts

[@Majormoose1]

Of course he does... Why else why would he propose it

[@balance3201]

Let's all go back in time again.🧐

[@alexpegler465]

Matthew: I want money from you. To get it I’m going to disagree with everything you say.

[@noahbawdy3395]

Mathew just won't listen.

[@mikesutton381]

Why does Pochettino need the money?

[@vader745]

looks nothing like him

[@RockyDave]

I've read all your comments, and I understand what you're saying, but...

[@ScottOSaurus]

DRAGONS DEN PLEASE UPLOAD THE “SHE ICER.” PITCH PLEASE

[@BenjaminGoose]

SHUT UP

[@WobblesandBean]

Wish granted!

[@notrecyborg5492]

Mamka was Dissolved on 13 July 2016

[@TallBoy-vf3tt]

Rip Hilary

[@HeadStartWeb]

Peter has been into dropshipping huh?

[@RAGEHXARAGO]

Guess what, Mamka dissolved in 2016, had a decent run but refused to listen.

[@aTruster]

No longer trading.

[@outdoorsy01]

9:39 this dude is the entitled Karen at the restaurant. FYI

[@rjmunt]

Bacon poached eggs and pancakes

[@mongo4511]

Budgie smuggler

[@foreignwarren7361]

Both parties were arrogant

[@Borgen1988]

Eugene from the walking dead is back!

[@anubusx]

How would the Dragons be in that world.

[@KarrierBag]

Oh a very old one

[@OraEtLabora0]

❤AMAZON will have him for BREAKFAST 🤣🥘

[@AutoholicsDriveThru]

Company status: Dissolved Dissolved on: 13 July 2016

[@OraEtLabora0]

RIP

[@rchaffer]

The king of mullets: the greasy mullet

[@intrepidtomato]

Company has gone bust since. The stock problem seems to have been a real issue.