‘The whole point of Brexit was…’ Matt Goodwin on

[@SpectatorTV]

Full video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqmYeIeqe8eappo

[@markhutton6055]

Not enough people doing proper degrees, Engineering and Science, too many graduates with Noddy degrees.

[@TheLucanicLord]

@@markhutton6055 Yeah, this guy's totally an astrophysicist. What "proper" degree do you have?

[@CorvoFG]

Of all the things my brexiter parents have ever given as reasons they voted to leave, this has never even come up. Total crap.

[@TheLucanicLord]

Presumably he has a PhD since he's [drumroll] a university lecturer.

[@stephencolbert934]

The whole point of Brexit for many people is about producing less university graduate? Really? Did I see that on a side of a bus? or on TV? or on Billboards? This guy is saying crap without anyone challenging it.

[@NatMart9394]

The synthesis of millions of parts that makes up Britain. They couldn’t all be individually itemised out for the msm parrots, who’re too lazy to think for themselves. Brexit is about British Culture. This man is talking about a fundamental part, of the protection of it.

[@searcherholic3473]

Turns out having a degree isn't a barrier to learning a trade

[@raaf4678]

He's actually thinking about where the actual unsatisfaction is coming from, thinking it thru... Why were people for example unhappy with their health care...

[@piotrsie5465]

​@@raaf4678 lol. What are you talking about. brexit is all about old bigots not wanting to see foreign people in their country. Not because there is o many graduates brexiters were lied to and that is it.

[@phillipmorrison9607]

Can you imagine any prosperous economy in the entire world saying we need to leave a huge trading bloc, spend billions doing so, and the aim of that is to have less education in our country. Absolutely brain dead.

[@EdgyNumber1]

*Funny, I thought the point of Brexit was saving money and giving it to the NHS!*

[@richardjones3792]

Nope, it was about self governing and controlling immigration

[@Alan31420]

I don't understand how EU membership prevented the UK from changing the UK tertiary education system from one that is university focussed to one that promotes technical training and apprenticeships. Germany has been renowned for promoting technical expertise for many years. And by the way, governments have been saying that they want to promote more technical training and apprenticeships since I first arrived in the UK in 1972!

[@highlands]

He isn't saying that. The reason that the university-only system in the UK wasn't considered a problem by successive government was their ability to import people to fill gaps the system left. this inevitably squeezes the wages of the native population and robs them of opportunity whilst the government claims they can do nothing about it.

[@TheLucanicLord]

Well there you go. An overwhelming majority (52%) voted to do the opposite of Germany innit. 2WWA1WC,DDDD!

[@br5380]

Because he's talking bollox.

[@br5380]

@@highlands and we left and the current Govt 'imported' 700k immigrants last year...

[@def6414]

This was literally never a discussion point for anyone over Brexit except in this guys head.

[@Hadrianus01]

Agree. No one was talking about education or universities during the Brexit debate. It was chiefly about sovereignty and, relatedly, immigration.

[@andyjones11]

Exactly - not a single point of discussion during the Brexit campaign was about this. If you ask the people who voted for Brexit why, not a single one will mention “moving the economy away from graduate jobs towards trades”. Anyway the idea Brexit was the best path towards that sort of economy is laughable

[@manmaje3596]

He is making some good points though he must put them in the wrong context.

[@NatMart9394]

The synthesis of millions of parts that makes up Britain. They couldn’t all be individually itemised out for the msm parrots, who’re too lazy to think for themselves. Brexit is about British Culture. This man is talking about a fundamental part, of the protection of it.

[@Lashb1ade]

"How to listen to someone speak without actually listening to them."

[@cathalobrien7183]

So that was the point of brexit now! Funny I never heard that mentioned during the campaign.

[@samhartford8677]

That made absolutely no sense. A knowledge-based economy requires knowledge. By the way, doctors and nurses are graduates (one hopes!). Maybe the problem is no efficient vocational training in the UK. My country certainly has not got that problem. Ever thought of that?

[@highlands]

More vocational and specialist training ( like STEM) is exactly what he is talking about (we have virtually no institutions like that). He is arguing for us to train more of our own Doctors and Nurses instead of simply importing them from Africa and Asia (We actually turn away people in this country).

[@samhartford8677]

@@highlands Yes, but that had nothing to do with Brexit. The EU never stopped the UK from investing in its own citizens and vocational training. And you can't fucking train doctors and nurses outside a university. They are graduates. They are no fucking carpenters. And STEM stands for science, technology, engineering and mathematics. He's not talking about a guy who knows how to use a ruler. Those are all university educated graduates. That is, if you want them to compete in the world.

[@bindon4]

The whole point of Brexit for many people was to....producing too many graduates. Really? Really? I don't remember that on the side of a bus. In fact I don't remember that ever being mentioned at all. Absolute bollox.

[@Jonpoo1]

What was it about our membership of the EU that stopped us doing this?? Perhaps the fact that many European countries do it much better than us so potential students would rather go there? We’ll struggle to get the expertise in for our universities too now. We could send students to learn the skills at European univ- oh wait. I’ve always doubted the “we knew what we were voting for” thing but it’s obviously true because voting Brexit was apparently about everything.

[@highlands]

The ability for the government to freely import people whilst also saying they couldn't stop it. You understand that leaving the EU doesn't actually prevent us from bringing in expertise (or vice-versa, my Mum's cousin teaches at Humboldt) or that the EU isn't the only source of expertise?

[@louis-philippearnhem6959]

Goodwin graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree with first-class honours in politics and contemporary history from the University of Salford in 2003 and obtained a Master of Arts degree in political science from the University of Western Ontario in 2004. He completed his Doctor of Philosophy degree under the supervision of Roger Eatwell at the University of Bath in 2007. (Wikipedia) Do as I say, don’t do what I do 😅

[@alphacause]

He is not arguing against university education for those who want it. What he is arguing against is society compelling EVERYONE to get a university education. By opening up the floodgates and stating that everyone should get a university degree, you end up devaluing the worth of that degree. Additionally, you redirect many people from professions that they are better suited to, which don't require a university degree, thus devaluing those professions as well, since they will be filled by desperate immigrants who will settle for lower pay.

[@louis-philippearnhem6959]

@@alphacause Allow me to doubt that EVERYONE is going to graduate.

[@pandora8478]

@@alphacause Employers know the worth of the degree, from the university that awarded it. So good degrees aren’t devalued.

[@piotrsie5465]

He is excellent example of what he preach. Universities are broken if he was able to get degree

[@phillipmorrison9607]

⁠@@alphacause such a strange thing to say when clearly only a minority of people are even applying to university, there isn’t the capacity to get even half of the eligible population to university, and levels of higher education in the UK are lower than EU countries where average productivity is higher. It’s absolutely contrary to any evidence and to somehow say the reason we voted Brexit, leaving the world’s biggest trading bloc and spending years/billions of £ doing so is to reduce the level of education in our country is just brain dead. I’m genuinely sorry this Brexit isn’t the one leavers voted for, but it is the one I voted against

[@atsi3298]

😂😂😂😂😂 this is absolutely ridiculous, now the foreign graduates are responsible for the UK's downfall, what comes next...too much foreign cars, too much foreign food😂 hilarious

[@peterzapp2091]

After right-wingers botched British manufacturing, farming and education, Britons have no other choice than to buy foreign and to recruit foreign.

[@highlands]

I know Remainers are dumb but that clearly isn't what he is saying.

[@NeilCampbell1]

What has that got to do with brexit anyway?! Moronic argument

[@elipa3]

afaik, international students pay a lot of money, to study in the UK. Maybe 40 to 50 bn pounds each year. close them out and see, how the universities will get by without that money... xenophobia wont help to deal with the situation.

[@unduloid]

Uh.. medical professionals are educated at universities, so if you want more doctors you need _more_ universities, not less. I have no idea what's wrong with having educated people anyway.

[@chhandab]

Useless degrees with thousands in student debt doesn’t benefit anybody and lowers the value of degrees.

[@liestricks]

@@chhandab neither does having kids ruin their career prospects and having them work for less then minimum wage because your broke ass wants a free ride

[@ScurvyRascal]

You need to know your place, pleb! That's what wrong with having an education.

[@zenex1741]

@@chhandab If you're sick in a hospital bed, would you want the doctor with degrees in his field, or would you want one without any qualifications?

[@chhandab]

@@zenex1741 When I said useless degrees, I don’t remember saying that medicine is a useless degree. Gender studies, African culture, etc are examples of useless degrees. My point is cull these and make room for medicine and STEM degrees.

[@nickdoughty518]

Weird guy. He may be identifying a real problem but we didn't need to leave the EU to tackle it. Most people voted for Brexit because they believed the lies and didn't like immigration.

[@louis-philippearnhem6959]

Indeed.

[@elipa3]

Well said.

[@guff9567]

Drivvel

[@ScurvyRascal]

That was the whole point of Brexit was it? 😂😂😂 Last I heard - this morning!!! it was to get rid of the poles stealing our jobs AND benefits at the same time, sticking it to the EUSSR and ruling the waves! Be serious now, come on!

[@leonmohan1708]

Finally, someone tells the truth. If pope admit it or not rexit was solely about stoping our open border policy that is destrying the fabric ofvthis country.

[@ruthirwin8222]

I agree with everything he says and although it wasnt on buses it is an immigration issue

[@alphacause]

The same problem is happening in America. Universities are supposed to serve society. Instead, societies seem to be serving universities. The academic class are so insulated from reality that they have an inflated sense of their own importance, and have duped large swathes of the population into believing in this delusion. Fortunately, at least in America, many have realized this sham, as a result of university education being so exorbitantly expensive and not yielding a return on that investment proportional to its expense. If I had children, unless they were going into a STEM field that necessitated a university education, I would implore them to give trade schools a chance. I obtained post graduate degrees from a university during a time when having such credentials distinguished you from other job applicants. These papers don't have the leverage they once had, and they are becoming more costly to obtain. Whenever you pay more for something but get less in return, that transaction should be called for what it is - *A SCAM* .

[@MsChitterchat]

Brexit was about British sovereignty. It was about getting away from rule by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. What is he talking about?

[@juice6521]

I have no idea. Nobody on either side of the line was talking about university graduates. This guy is smoking crack.

[@user-eq5bj3tz3e]

will you do me 1 favor , can you look up what Farage did in 1999 until 2019 , let me give you a clue , could it be "he was elected MEP for South East England in the 1999 European Parliament election. He was re-elected in the 2004, 2009, 2014 and 2019 European Parliament elections. In the European Parliament, he was the president of Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy" The truth was that UK coudn't live in a democraty where not only they could deside. Just like they think that UK is a democraty where Scotland and Ireland has no say but Westminster deside in their place

[@hermamhimself4351]

IS THIS COMEDY?

[@beatonthedonis]

Dr Matt Goodwin is living proof that we have too many universities. Literally anybody can become an academic these days.

[@seanlander9321]

Here’s and idea; make stuff that people want to buy. Derrr. It’s not like it hasn’t worked before for Britain.

[@juice6521]

I've never heard a single person say they voted for Brexit for anything close to this reason.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

How is any of that claptrap down being in the EU?

[@martinhambleton5076]

Well said that man!

[@davidsvarrer8942]

It is indeed great that we highly educate anyone, ie. Workers. Cleaners etc. What is wrong with that? Idiocy.

[@ClickBeetleTV]

Anytime I hear "for many people" but the people are unspecified I substitute "in my opinion" into the speaker's sentence, because it's always their own opinion but they aren't willing to own it alone

[@AlistairClark99]

1. This question has nothing to do with Brexit. 2. Good point about the UK's neglect of technical education. Germany does this way better. 3. International students bring revenue for the UK.

[@johnnymarshall5828]

Brexit was about the mass immigration which has been foisted on us. We didn't ask for it and seeing how this was the biggest turn out for a vote in our history they've completely ignored our wishes. I feel even more strongly about this after the last few weeks where we saw how many aggressive Muslims have been allowed to come here.

[@dennisgreene7164]

I don't remember too many graduates being an argument for Brexit. Can you clarify? Suggest you stop spouting total nonsense and start reading up on economics.

[@stacypastry2440]

This is very curious. Does the UK actively prevent young people from becoming doctors or is it that the healthcare system disincentivizes them from becoming doctors? They see that NHS doctors are very over worked and not paid comparable to their effort and training.

[@Lashb1ade]

The British Medical Association places a cap on the number of new doctors that can be trained every year. Obviously they claim that they are "maintaining standards", - because apparently people would rather wait 6 months for a 3A* doctor than get a 3A doctor right now. Oh and then we counter the shortage by importing thousands of doctors from poor countries.

[@stacypastry2440]

@@Lashb1ade that's nutty

[@Robertsmith001]

@@Lashb1ade You don’t know what you are talking about, absolute codswallop

[@MrVampireBill]

Lol, this grifter needs to get in the bin

[@hba12]

what's the relationship between education policy, graduates, EU and Brexit ??? what he's telling makes no sense

[@chrismorrison5585]

I never understood why we cap medical student places when there is such demand yet we have a shortage and still important Doctors

[@Robertsmith001]

Because it costs a lot of money and numbers are caped by the amount of hospitals that are able to accept medical students

[@chrismorrison5585]

@@Robertsmith001 but then they will pay taxes when they graduate, it just feels like a lack of will to solve this issue due to benefit not being seen for ten years.

[@piotrsie5465]

​@@Robertsmith001That make no sense. You saying there is not enough places in hospitals for graduates, yet they need to take doctors from abroad and cry about lack of doctors.

[@chhandab]

British Medical Association demands on medicine students caps. While they may say that it is because they do not have the resources to enlarge the student intake, there seems to be a hidden agenda behind their contradictory stance.

[@TheLucanicLord]

@@chrismorrison5585That's in 5 years' time. Are you new to this game?

[@TarlachOakleaf]

If you ever wanted to know how deluded a human being can be, listen to this guy.

[@sport504]

This guy is on another level 😂😂😂😂 bless him and his university degrees 😂😂😂

[@michaelhannah5376]

Really!!! You are talking about two entirely seperate issues

[@wflack]

This is nonsense. I have never heard anyone give this as a reason for supporting Brexit.

[@samhartford8677]

Nursing is not a vocation. It's a job that requires academic training. It's not a skill like carpentry.

[@alphacause]

Yes. Nursing *NOW* does require, at least in the United States and in many other countries, a university degree. However, the question is *SHOULD* nursing require that level of academic achievement? My mother was a nurse for 40 years. She graduated from nursing school during a time when it was not required for you to have a four year degree in it. It was 2 year associate degree program, very much akin to a vocational training. She was a better nurse than those nursing students who came 20 years later, who arrived to her hospital armed with a 4 year degree. She has received accolades to prove it. In fact, she was the one teaching these fresh graduates how things *REALLY* work at a hospital, effectively making these new nurses unlearn the impractical theories they learned at university. My point being that nursing, along with many professions, doesn't need to have that many years of academic education to produce exemplary workers. I graduated with two university degrees, and work in the profession that I majored in, and I will be the first one to admit that you don't need a university degree to do my job. What is needed in the vast majority of professions, with a few rarified exceptions, is hands on training. This requirement to get a 4 year university degree or beyond is not really aimed at producing better workers, so much as it is designed to prop up an ailing and increasingly obsolete university system.

[@22448824]

Sam, you need to look up the meaning of the word vocation. It has nothing to do with academic training. Or carpentry come to that.

[@samhartford8677]

@@22448824 Yes, I know that vocation has a lot of meanings, but I was referring to it in the sense of vocational schooling, which is "A vocational school, trade school, or technical school is a type of educational institution, which, depending on the country, may refer to either secondary or post-secondary education designed to provide vocational education or technical skills required to complete the tasks of a particular and specific job."

[@ElCampiador]

@@alphacause couldn't agree more with your factual statement.

[@markjohn4802]

For smart thinkers that is on the money, but for most it was to stop mass inflows of workers and freeloaders packing into this tiny island and forcing rapid change. England is rammed. Scotland is beautiful & mountainous. Stop the relentless expansion.

[@ericbrown7297]

The problem is the country is not governed by. Conservative Government, it is a quasi Labour Party in power. We really need a party with real Conservative values.

[@PeterZeeke]

so what he's saying is brexit is way shitter than we already thought it was

[@thereminpitchknob4059]

Women hate men in trades!-2023 Women love men in trades!-2024

[@matty9460]

Brexit was for lower immigration. You could've put "should we reduce net immigration below zero?" Ans brexit would've pasded with an even larger margin

[@sisenor4091]

Wow! I don’t think this guy believes his own crap.

[@nahmate1010]

Rubbish - Brexit was about race

[@BalefulBunyip]

What a load of absolute bullshit. What has reforming the educational sector to do with brexit? There was no reason that the Tories couldn't have reformed the sector independently. What a dropkick 😂

[@Leberteich]

Teaching international students is a good export business because they pay eyewatering fees. The Universities doing it are far from 'broken' otherwise foreign students wouldn't go there. International students do not contribute to the alleged excess of graduates here because they go home in the end. Graduates working in non- graduate jobs is shite because...? We train too many graduates... but not enough doctors? And the reason for Brexit was... people wanted fewer graduates? Oh by the way I went to Uni myself. And still I talk a lot of nonsense. See.

[@ghjgbnhjjghjthknvf6379]

Absolutely not all doctors need to be upper class rich and posh or foreigners who are poorly trained. Reduce the university requirements to enter, and increase the number of places training medical students.

[@jonny5isalive3]

I thought brexit was about getting rid of coffee and going back to good old fashend tea 🤣

[@peterzapp2091]

They succeeded. They got off this economy.

[@mikefry5704]

Well said

[@tylerscofield9799]

Need the same thing in the USA more people making things than people trying to figure out a way to steal it with a pen

[@LordOfLight]

He's a crank and he's on TV. Too many graduates was foremost in almost no one's mind when it came to Brexit.

[@friedawells6860]

I think the problem really starts in high school. There is a lot of implicit elitism among the parents, teachers and student councilors that pushes young people into getting unmarketable degrees that they are not sure they even want because the trades are implicitly seen as only for the "deplorables" of society. People talk a lot about housing unaffordablily but not the fact that there aren't enough homebuilders electricians and plumbers around to build more homes even if the government were to throw a ton of money at it.

[@somewhereelse000]

LOL Australia is doing exactly the same thing.

[@denisdaly1708]

a fully fledged fascist speaks here.

[@Ken_oh545]

Is this a Viz sketch?

[@mwd331]

I’m afraid it’s very real..

[@juice6521]

Is this guy even talking to anyone on this "podcast"?

[@toddrf]

Not sure what it has to do with Brexit, but if the UK is anything like here in the US, it’s a fact that there are too many students in university. I’ve said for a long time that if we just closed 1/3 of the liberal arts colleges, it would be a good start.

[@MrCatalanis]

what a joke? call it DELUSION

[@nidh1109]

I don't think the migration problem is based on a few foreign students . If they do want to stay in this country at least they're well-educated.

[@piotrsie5465]

that have nothing to do Brexit. what he is talking about. What EU law says you have to have University's.

[@asanulsterman1025]

Wisdom squared

[@alfredttarski4521]

How can anyone utter such baseless tosh while keeping a straight face?

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

"we need less unis .... We need more doctors!" He just says anything that pops up in his head huh :p

[@AmazingDuckmeister]

No Matthew, you are reading into something that isn't there. Brexit was not a vote against universities it was a vote for "sovereignty" or something. Impoverishment has been accomplished but there we are.

[@gregsmith1070]

The whole point of Brexit...ummm🤔...ah yes.....oh🤔....errr.....😮

[@jencooke3652]

Make his statement make sense as to me it just doesn't .

[@jkol8618]

How did eu caused to many graduates ????dont kike your kids educated??wht send then on orivate schools ?

[@DavidThompson-cg6hh]

This guy's opinion of too many graduates and needing more tradesmen is offensive in the extreme. This is what the careers officers did in the secondary modern schools in the sixties, we were just trained as cannon fodder for industry, we were never give the option of those higher paying quality jobs, those were for the grammar school kids, we were to be the brickies,plumbers, sparkies, factory workers etc, but some of us lucky ones got out of the preordained rut designed for us.

[@fion1flatout]

Hmmm . The point of Brexit for me was to get rid of unelected foreign busybodies .. but... Agree with him about universities, since I left uni in 1982 and found employers were not interested in my chemistry degree, for good reason, it was not useful

[@michaelodonnell7350]

Too many universities give naf degrees

[@barrybarrett4626]

sabotage

[@roasthunter]

Nurses, allow kids to leave school at 16 and start a vocational nurse job in a local hospital, they will be cheap and they will get trained on the job. Senior nurses can measure and double check medicines but alot of nursing is quite basic stuff.

[@28pbtkh23]

Instead Blair’s government allowed itself to be steamrolled by the RCN into creating graduate nurses, at huge expense to the nurses themselves.

[@liestricks]

Spoken like some one completely clueless about any medical profession. If they need to check and double check medication they might as well do it them selves. All you would be doing is forcing qualified personel to waste their time baby siting some highschool dropouts

[@roasthunter]

@@liestricks look in the mirror for clueless

[@liestricks]

@@roasthunter Yeah thats not how mirrors work, except when you're hold ing it. It doesn't mater what job the people around you do those skills and knowledge don't transfer, you're still clueless. Would you think some one could land a plane just because their mum was a pilot? And they do need a degree, thats why its their. Thats why you spend a day in hospital rather then have your kids looks after your d*mbass. Fact is that the reason most people don't become a doctor or nurse is not because the education takes to long but simply because they would never be able to do the job or would be able to earn more doing another job. Neither of those would be fixed by your nonsense. And no you don't care or respect Nurses or want British kids to have a good career. Because all you are doing is undermining their salaries and qualifications while sabotaging their ability to find work outside your employment trap. All you really care about is keeping out "johnny foreigner" even though they are the only reason you get any kind of healthcare at all

[@YanestraAgain]

Tales from the bottle.

[@rosebud040686]

Please review the spelling on the captions.

[@archiebald4717]

Utter nonsense.

[@adamgrimsley2900]

Yeah.. I hate graduates

[@piotrsie5465]

lol

[@gregpodmore2850]

Foreign students with up to six family members, who have no intention of returning to their home lands. 😢😢😢

[@EDD-xr4ub]

crybaby clown

[@LeozxMapping]

Brexit taccke

[@cyberkraut5139]

Not a thought through opinion. More like ideology.

[@dtulip1]

er no no that wasn't it

[@augustrush7538]

This is an individual that has a brain between his ears. ‘Idle hands do the devils work’. - Isn’t that true?

[@davidsvarrer8942]

No, that was not in any way the goal. Idiotic message. The guy here has not understood anything There is no immigration issue. But it appears as it you are indeed an issue?

[@happyexmussie7085]

Blatant contradiction fool!!

[@joshnicholson2934]

Perfectly said. As a society we are a failure, we still consider people working in 'uneducated' jobs to be less valuable in society than people who work in an office or hospital ect just because of the type of work, hence why we leave it to foreign workers. And it's completely wrong and holding the country back so much. He's hit the nail on the head saying the country doesn't want to change the system, the Tories don't want people to have success in happiness picking fruit and veg. I have been unemployed, I would have loved to pick fruit and maybe study agriculture, what an experience and opportunity but the immense pressure to be 'successful' is too much for a young person. Picking fruit working farms it is not possible to feel successful in this society. Brexit is not right or wrong, society is incredibly wrong and that is what will hurt us

[@morganthunder290]

😢 Nothing will change until Nigel gets involved.

[@22448824]

I support Brexit but I doubt if anyone voted for it in the hope of producing less graduates because there weren’t enough graduate jobs.

[@NatMart9394]

The synthesis of millions of parts that makes up Britain. They couldn’t all be individually itemised out for the msm parrots, who’re too lazy to think for themselves. Brexit is about British Culture. This man is talking about a fundamental part, of the protection of it.

[@zenex1741]

Admitting you support Brexit is SUPER CRINGE. I'd be way to embarrassed to admit I fell for such an obvious scam.

[@NatMart9394]

@@zenex1741 Cowardly mentality of all petrified remainers.

[@elipa3]

how is brexit going, are you happy now? did you get your unicorn already?

[@NatMart9394]

@@elipa3 Brexit hasn’t even started to get rid of the vile communist eu. Just look at the coup we’ve just had. Not one msm murmured and they’re all still in power. Traitors ! Lots, lots more filth to get through. Decades of it.

[@ElCampiador]

One of the few academics (professors) who have a true insight as to what changes need to happen after the disastrous policies of the Blair years.

[@watchman4todayreloaded192]

I don't think that Matt is living in the same country. I don't deny that education is broken, from university to infant schools but I don't think that anyone was really thinking about that when they voted for Brexit. They were thinking about how we didn't have control over our own borders or about the laws governing how we could produce our own food etc etc etc. Anmd we still haven't finished it. We need our own bill of rights - and we need a police force, and border force that is going to police and uphold the laws and rights for all people in the country without fear of being called racist and protecting criminals because they come from certain backgrounds.

[@elipa3]

your own bill of rights? arent the brexiteers keen of withdrawing from the ECHR? you really think, people like JRM will give you your own bill of rights? you must be delusional.

[@DavidBrown-bs7gg]

The point of Brexit was to be a able to vote for those who create our laws

[@geoffpegler4506]

We always did 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@dam8087]

Imagine being this ignorant. Are you unaware of MEPs whonliterally represented the UK in the EU

[@zenex1741]

The UK lawyers who helped write the EU laws: That's what we were fucking doing, you tit.

[@Alan31420]

The citizens of each sovereign EU member state have the right to vote for members of the EU Parliament. If the EU, which is not a sovereign state but a treaty organisation, had any greater level of democracy it would compete with the sovereignty of its member states. The EU is the servant of its sovereign member states, and all laws have to win the approval of democratically elected ministers from the sovereign member state ministers (the EU Council of Ministers). The powers (or competences) of the EU are limited. Brussels did not write the UK budget, Westminster did. The competence of Brussels did not extend to most political issues. Its main competence was and is to promote the EU Single Market, so that the EU Singe Market has all the advantages of the US market, and also to deal with issues that had a continental significance, such as the environment. The EU had very little power to determine for the UK questions of health, education, defence, or tax (apart from VAT, which of course affects the Single Market). The democracy/sovereignty argument is based on ignorance of the EU treaty framework, and has been dragged out now that even Brexiteers perceived that the economic benefits of Brexit were illusory.

[@HappyCatholicDane]

You already did 🙄.

[@km47804]

I hope the US is taking notes. We are nearly in the same position.

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

He is RIGHT!!!! I’m American in the Brexit move was the best way

[@stiofain88]

Thats not exactly an endorsement to rational people.

[@HappyCatholicDane]

What is he right about? Wanting more people in trade is fine, but that have little to do with Brexit. Brexit is also a disaster. It is and always was, a scheme run by grifters and backed by disaster capitalists.