The Wide Track Showdown! RAM 4500 vs Ford F450!

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[@BigTruckBigRV]

At the halfway point the Ford had a tighter turning radius by about 2.5-3ft. This was not made clear in the video. My bad.

[@kennethfeld6639]

The F450 ate his lunch in a U turn test

[@stevenruble3934]

My 2017 F450 turns tighter than my 2020 F250. The F250 is a crewcab short bed too.

[@XploreAz]

@@stevenruble3934 that's because of the wider front axle on the F450.

[@kylebrenay174]

Yes, 450 was tighter. Thats what it is about after all.

[@jj516]

Diameter, not radius. You sure you're an engineer?

[@fizpop3209]

Who else thought they were going to have a tug-of-war

[@marcusa431alexis3]

Me

[@user-kn1rg2br4h]

Me too. Saw it in the thumb nail

[@stevenstjean9819]

I know right! 🤣😂

[@m3_e465]

Wait, they didnt had one?

[@terryhaynes1596]

Not enough difference to matter. As JD has said in numerous videos, they are both great trucks. You won’t go wrong with either.

[@pepelepew4117]

Looked to me the Ford won by a couple of feet. That could make a significant difference in some situations.

[@2muchtalk173]

Pepe le Pew - that’s what i thought? How are they saying the Ram won?

[@GM-gj8hs]

Idk the 5500 has emission issues

[@cardiobroker]

Ford is infinitely better than ram now. I admit the ram is the best looking and has the best engine, but imho everything else on the truck is garbage. I’m a duramax owner but I had two generations of 250s for 350k mi. So very familiar with them.

[@justotorres8970]

We ran all three eventually our fleet lease company went with ram because of less time spent at the shop.

[@barrytimm5497]

I've owned all three HD trucks - Silverado, Ram and F350 (my current truck). The Ford turned slightly tighter. I would still take the Ram over the other two, primarily for that exhaust brake and real world fuel economy and that medium duty engine, where the other two will always be light duty truck engines. Prefer the Alison in the Silverado/GMC but the Aisin is no joke. They are ALL GREAT trucks these days. Pick your preferred brand and be happy with a great truck.

[@albundy8052]

You are Correct.

[@brianaustin6184]

The 6.7 powerstroke is used in the f750 (medium duty truck). I agree with you on the exhaust brake. I drove a Kenworth with a 15L cummins isx while the motor is great the emissions has given me nothing but problems and I only have 630,000 on it.

[@barrytimm5497]

@@brianaustin6184 F750 - you mean the 270hp standard F-750 motor instead of the 475hp motor in the pickup?

[@albundy8052]

@@barrytimm5497 Remember the F-750 had a CUMMINS + Allison transmission. This was the STANDARD drive train, when Ford used the 6.0 liter in F-350 & F-250.

[@2muchtalk173]

Barry Timm - thanks for sharing! What’s your experience in fuel economy between them 3?

[@Fuzzy_Noodle]

Ford looked to win by more of a margin than I thought. I was looking at where the trucks were parallel facing backwards. I would still rather take the chassis cab Ram though.

[@richardnead4840]

I've never had any luck with Ford. My 14 Ram has 600k miles on it.

[@momj8432]

For me it's the other way around that's kind of funny

[@Irishjay1025]

I have never worked on a Cummins that isn't losing the number one cylinder after less than 100k miles you can tell who works on cummins when 2 months later the black soot still stains their fingers from excessive blow by.

[@tynottelling6584]

I am a subscriber. I have been watching these types of videos for the better part of a year. You even responded to a question I asked of you before. Your videos are by far the best! Actually in every way the best. You’re not long winded yet you convey the best, most intelligent and informative videos of any I have watched. I can’t thank you enough. I’m wondering how many thousands of dollars you have saved me and everyone else. Keep it up!

[@uhgungawa4574]

If you look at the side by side, the Ford had a couple of feet advantage at the 180 degree mark. This is what's going to matter the most when turning. But still amazed at how tight both those behemoths turn.

[@danieloliver20]

I'm a biased Ford F250 owner, JD's had an overall "tighter" radius due to half way distance. Both are bitchin truck$... it's just 💰 🤑

[@2muchtalk173]

Daniel Oliver New to this - whats JD?

[@danieloliver20]

@@2muchtalk173 the host

[@P-Bizzy]

Much tighter turning radius on the Ford. Look at how far each is at the 1/2 way point. The Ram is much further into the parking lanes on the left vs the Ford.

[@Augiebracerofam]

Thank you for sharing your comparison test with a viewers truck. It does look like the Ram has a longer wheelbase which could affect the turning radius. Have a great day!

[@momj8432]

I'm a Ford guy still going to buy both trucks

[@RadDadisRad]

Love these reviews. Definitely looking at a class 4 or 5 truck when I buy my 5th wheel. Saving my budget for the right truck.

[@gregsall5872]

Must have a massive 5th wheel require a class 4 or bigger

[@randy1160]

Just so you know...the F450 with a bed is not a class 4 truck. It’s a class 3 like the F350. If you want that you will need a chassis body F450 or 4500 Ram. I’ve been full time RVing for years and a F350 or 3500 series DRW truck is all you will ever need. This Ram 4500 is overkill for a fifth wheel RV.

[@EverythingRVbyPat]

I absolutely love the hauler bed. I think if I ever get a new truck I will go with a hauler bed on a 450 or 4500. Love the look of that bed. Thanks for sharing this truck with us!!! I do believe that the Ford did have a tighter turning radius. The best way to look at that was the comparison at the apex of the turn. It wasn't by much but the ford did win. But that said, I'd be for sure looking to get the Cummins and Aisin transmission combination. I test drove one with that combination and the power was unbelievable. Thanks for sharing this JD!!! Pat

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Looked liked it was so close they were even. That was a good looking Ram.

[@8__D]

Should get your hands on GMs 4500. They got the engine so high above the wheels, I’d like to see how much that allows the steering angle

[@hanthony440]

The f450 turned a foot or two tighter if you look at the front driver's tire

[@lanceripplinger8352]

Bummer you didn't have some orange cones to mark everything. Really fun comparison though. Those wide track front ends sure do make a big difference!

[@kennybates6216]

What rear end ratio does the ram have and what RPM does it run at 70 MPH

[@kevinerenwick4415]

That was pretty much the same- have you ever done anything on HDT trucks & what is your feeling on HDT trucks thanks Kevin 👍👍💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@JB_WhoWork]

That RAM is a beast

[@bikeboy587]

The Ford has the tighter turning radius. Easy to see in the video

[@toofastnobrakes]

The ford did turn tighter but I’m pretty sure the ram had a longer wheelbase

[@myleshansel7950]

Both turn very tight, but it looked like the F-450 was tighter because the F-450 was just inside the white lines and the Ram was half way over the lines at the half way point

[@danieledwards5455]

I seen some other folks who were looking for a truck to pull there 5th wheel and they watched your channel and ended up getting a F450 after looking at other brands that's because they loved the turning radius and also cause it's a FORD

[@sam3d]

That intro track was sooooo awesome!

[@Burroughsbikebuilds]

He did not seem too happy about losing.

[@mikebishop4346]

Ford definitely had the better turning radius you can tell when you made your first move awesome. Hey Ram was just as close but like you said if I had a choice it would be the Ford because of the mirrors . The only thing Ford can do to make it better is they power the curb mirror and that would be great 👍🏻

[@mattsmith3305]

Agree that Ford won easily at the half way point. I have a 2019 F-350 dually, and I won't bother commenting on my turning radius. You would need a parking lot twice that size you used for your test. Both are very nice trucks, but I'll stick with the Ford.

[@brandonhahaj1820]

Hey boss, I am behind on videos....when did you switch out the Ranch Hand? I didn't think Road Armor was up to the task.

[@WALDAWG439]

What was the rear ring and pinion gear ratio on the RAM?

[@earlribaudo4807]

It was a tire width. His right tire was outside of the line and when done, it was on the outside. So, a tire width.

[@dougjackson1030]

I am a ram owner not that I am complaining,I do believe that JD'S Ford won the turning radius test not by much though especially in the middle of the turn test! You certainly can't go wrong with either truck!

[@darisanshanger1616]

Nice dream truck :-) fun day

[@KVX21]

Both trucks are winners!!

[@josenoyola9851]

If Ram came out with a 10 speed and the 10th gear had an OD ratio of .58 & paired with 4.88s that truck would be a monster!! Put some 265s/19.5s will be like 1610 @60mph

[@joyjader-watkins1126]

We are totally Ford people but we gotta say that that Dodge Ram was a lot smoother in his turn than your Ford JD. But you were right it was close. Yours was a little tighter but we still say the Ram was smoother and with a trailer it would be a better pull we're thinking but WE LOVE FORD but REALLY love Randy's rig!!

[@aus71383]

both trucks have a turning diameter that puts them back where they started when they go in a complete circle. This proves

[@glennprevost7140]

Corpus..Lived there 14 years

[@grc5618]

I was rooting for the Ram, but I'm pretty sure the Ford won that by 3 feet or so. Doesn't matter the turning radius of a vehicle, it should always return to its starting spot if executed correctly .

[@1coolvideo]

Ford won easily. 2-3 ft shorter at halfway point

[@stevenkaesbauer2013]

What was the wheel base of the ram?

[@Spoolingturbski]

The Ram with the Cummins has always been slower than a Powerstroke. The reason being that the Ford Diesel is built off of a V8 block. The Ram is built off a proper true Semi Truck inline 6. Semi trucks aren't fast because they are built to tow heavy loads. Hence Cummins in ram, a true Semi engine.

[@williamjonesii7694]

I don't think alot of them understand that. Smaller and less moving parts. Yes a true semi.

[@VARITHMS]

Don't try and explain that to scania V8 owner

[@abc123hshdhd8w]

The turing difference is due to the ram being longer by a foot atleast.

[@bmxshippy]

Ford has made some improvements. My 2004 f250 SuperDuty has a shorter wheelbase and a wider turning radius than my dads 2008 dodge 2500 crew cab.

[@TOMASH0925]

I felt like the ford won

[@horsetrader1991]

I bet Ford wins the turning radius. I seen a 450 turn and Ford has a really good radius. Now I own a Dodge 2022 350 dually, quad, AISIN transmission, Like my truck a lot.

[@millerrit]

Would love to see this next to an F350 and 3500.

[@jimlanigan.wa3erq341]

I think the Ford won by a foot or two at the half way point

[@thecommoncarpenter6544]

Honestly, ram wouldn't have that truck as an option if ford didn't force them to build one to complete. Can't go wrong with either one, however you'll save on fuel with a Cummins. Let's not forget ford actually makes there own engine. Great video.

[@1mtpolarbear]

How about a video on the Chevy 4500 cab and chassis

[@deaganz5740]

Lol. Nope

[@laszlovass7326]

Why not measure it at half a circle like on the other test?

[@vernt4583]

Now you’re on the right track. Will need to have tires turned at the start all the way against the stops. Paint the wheel area on pavement.

[@2muchtalk173]

Vern T - that’s what i was thinking!

[@philsalsbery9994]

Yes, the halfway point is the true indicator from a geometry perspective. Any truck can turn a full circle and come close to home again, but the distance from start to full halfway diameter is the measure. Ford wins. And I am a RAM owner.

[@scribbnattor3223]

Where was this was this in round rock? Or close to it?

[@randyream6271]

Corpus

[@joshdixon8624]

You can drag a house down with it!

[@TheRealSlowhand]

The Ford made a clearly tighter turn at the 180* point...

[@DS-TRUCKS]

i think it will turn the same.

[@nickmcnellis3937]

I'm a little late to the show and a Ram guy, the Ford definitely has a tighter radius.

[@fastrussman]

A circle is a circle. Why are they figuring this on where they finished? What matters is where they were at the halfway point.

[@1259bogs]

I think it’s a pretty clear win for the Ford. They both went over the line on the second half of the circle but they finished about a foot or so different. But for real life driving (because who makes a double U turn on the road) the Ford wins by a landslide!

[@maxstoltz3061]

I've emailed you directly JD, hopefully you'll get it. I just purchased a 2021 RAM 4500 and am contemplating the Kelderman air ride setup for mine. I am hopeful the owner of that truck will respond to me here and I can ask him some direct questions. note, I'm also in your neck of the woods just North of Corpus!

[@austingriffith1118]

They both went in a circle.

[@xxuniquexx1000]

No actually the ford won this plus his is truck is modified, both are amazing trucks

[@kevinmavic4011]

At :54 seconds JD calls the Ram a 5500 series truck. I thought it was a 4500.

[@mustafashulqamy1844]

It is, he did correct it. '4500' popped up as text. Go back. Rewind.

[@RollinsBrown]

It looks like whoever drove the ford let the steering open up at about the 180 degree mark for a second or two.

[@jamesbanditpudgy194]

Ford turned alot tighter but he's dually you are single axle makes big difference

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Huh? They are both duallys

[@mccarthy7566]

Same wheelbase??

[@joemeyer2726]

Consider air ride your F450?

[@mikephister3940]

who sells this ram 4500 meaning where could i by one

[@randyream6271]

Blue bonnet Dodge in New Braunfels Texas has them from time to time

[@jeepin4life]

Ram.

[@stevereese6488]

Are you down in Corpus Christi?

[@lengwhite]

Ford won by at least 2ft at the half way point.

[@kenhughes9437]

Don't care for all the stuff going on at the front of the Ford.....but to each their own I guess

[@jiroh8123]

He said "sympathy win" 😂😂 Randy should just take the L like a man lol

[@usafvet6766]

What brand of bed does he have. ?? Thanks.

[@randyream6271]

CM ER

[@williamjonesii7694]

Looks like a CM all aluminum uhhhhbout $5900

[@tamiboelter2833]

are you in Oklahoma City?

[@montyhowell6050]

About the same, but if you’re going to talk about inches, why didn’t you simply measure the radius?

[@SirSteveFury]

A new vehicle is only as good as the company behind it. I used to be a big MOPAR fan from around 1965-2000. Our last 3 MOPAR vehicles had been a disaster. After the 3rd one I got wise to know it wasn't the car it was the company. Bought a new 2000 Grand Caravan with 100K bumper to bumper warranty (BBW) and Chrysler extended warranty. At 7,000 miles one head burned up. Glad we had the BBW. Nope. Heads not considered drive train and not covered. Cost $1800 At 12,000 miles power steering quit when cold. Glad we had the BBW. Nope. Diagnosed as bad PS pump. Cost $850. PS quit again 3 months later. Diagnosed as restricted HP hose. BBW doesn't cover hoses. $400. PS quit again 6 months later @ 13,200 miles. Diagnosed as bad rack and pinion. Steering isn't considered drive train. No BBW. $2100 Electric sliding door quit at 19,000 miles. Opted not to fix. Driver door electric window quit at 24,000 miles. $300 to fix. Electric locks failed at 28,000 miles. Opted not to fix. Headliner began to become unglued & hanging at 2 years, 35000 miles. Pinned & glued. Paint began to peel in chunks at 48,000 miles. Dodge/MOPAR/Chrystler refused to help. Had the van repainted at my expense. Then a general decline due to wear and tear across the whole van until we donated it to charity - all completely slap wore out at 120k miles inside & out. That was the worst of my 5 new MOPAR vehicles. The last 3 weren't far behind. NEVER MOPAR AGAIN no mater how beautiful they look.

[@pilotbum]

“Ford and GM make the engine too smooth”

[@TBONE21RZR]

450 got it

[@DieselAddict-vs9fc]

Ram all day. Dont want ford problems

[@yomommasgardener9648]

Ram has worst problems bud

[@tebibyte2357]

Like really idk why ram users don't help the new ram users by telling them what type of electronic problems they have. Fords don't have electrical problems as bad as ram and chevy has it.

[@momj8432]

Bro every truck needs worked on Ford Chevy and Dodge they all will need maintenance

[@DieselAddict-vs9fc]

@@momj8432 maintenance is one thing but breaking down and costing alot of fix ford is #1 in that category. Especially the late 7.3,6.0,6.4 and early 6.7 have major issues

[@momj8432]

@@DieselAddict-vs9fc Dodge's are the worst The they cost too much to work on and they're constantly breaking down Dodges

[@stevewilliams3850]

I'd say overall, they tied.

[@geraldcox4519]

Ford was tighter in the turn drone showed that clearly

[@retiredandrollin]

At the half radius, which is what matters, the F450 did better.

[@stevewilliams3850]

I'd still rather have the Ford. It has an enclosed bed. The Ram does not. Now if the Ram had an enclosed bed like the Ford, it would be a tough decision.

[@spatton7875]

Who says you can’t brag about a few inches. I’ve been doing it for 30 years

[@williamwhalen1168]

Just for giggles maybe trace each turn with cones then take a diameter measurement. Love the videos btw.

[@black007die]

How is the turning compare to the ford f-450?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

🤔

[@edgarbrooks7695]

yours was better from my view

[@bmxshippy]

Someone failed geometry!! Let me start by saying I hate fords. But If you make a complete circle, both trucks should end up in the exact same place but that isn’t going to measure turning RADIUS. You should have stopped both trucks after completing a 180. That would’ve given you the radius. And from your drone shot, unfortunately the ford won by what looks to be about half the width of the trucks. So like 4 ft or a 2 ft radius

[@isabelle7321]

F, sound, O, n, the R,oad, D, ead

[@grandjeep6367]

The F450 won the turn, definitely.

[@InLaymansTermsPlease]

Ford won. I drive a F450 for work and that's one thing I have always been very impressed with. It has a better turning radius than my 2019 F150.

[@thisismagacountry1318]

Ford for the win.

[@joesoxer6766]

Shame on you for the torque tow test, not once but twice.

[@isabelle7321]

Kick Foods @$$

[@brooksbullock8806]

Ford for the win....as usual 😊

[@keithmeyer7339]

Ford won about two feet, ford was a tighter, he's a big dodge man can't argue with him

[@lancelaw8269]

Why would you even compare this?

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