The WOE, IS ME / ISSUES Story (Part 2: The Infamous BEEF!)

if you don't like these lyrics, then go listen to Genesi[s]...
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[@BNA_Est.1988]

Michael Bohn being on both Vengeance and King of Amarillo is wild. Thats like claiming crips and bloods.

[@MrCmitche11]

for real how did he get away with that lol

[@FairyCRat]

@@MrCmitche11 I guess his relationship with Tyler had a lot of ups and downs.

[@mvlmvlg5417]

@@FairyCRat Sounds about right lol

[@cassiusclayton7266]

Funny how he is singing a diss song about Woe whilst having the [s] from their album cover tattooed on his neck.

[@QEWOfficial]

Facts 😂😂😂

[@Billcommaagain]

Cozy really out here making the exact kinda videos I wanna watch, my man’s like a scene historian

[@hamiltonnoles8312]

Truly gods work 🙏

[@kadewilliams8281]

Omm

[@slycooper7513]

Putting the drama aside, what a PR move by Rise Records. Having signed both bands and releasing both albums on the same day, simply great business moves by Rise.

[@kylestewart4444]

Issues should get Hance to replace Tyler again and make it a hat trick.

[@FunkyPunk1995]

I remember the woe is me album being essentially an entire dis album and the issues ep just having the singular song on the topic which says a lot lol

[@chaoticfirearm]

Can't believe dude's name was literally Doriano Magliano.

[@619G_]

😂

[@samcampagna6029]

🤌

[@anghellicone87]

Maaan. The whole scene beef was crazy. My cousin grew up with Elliot of blessthefall. He would come chill whenever he was in town on tour, so got to hear about all of that ETF/btf stuff. This scene beef and picking which band you liked was the equivalent of being gang affiliated 🤣🤣. Good times

[@ivanbravo6986]

Lmao duude i know exactly what you mean 😂

[@JacbldwN]

babe wake up cozy uploaded

[@ThirdEyeTyrone]

Man I never realized that woe is me album had no chorus in it. I’m always liked the album because it was different and just found out why.

[@josegdiazperez9881]

Hell or High Water had a chorus tbf

[@PrelectXBL]

Craig was ousted from BTF and started The Word Alive. ETF asked him to cover for a tour and he became permanent. TWA kicked him out because they didn't want to be a side project. They wanted to be a full time band.

[@red-eyessolares1817]

It’s interesting how there’s so much story out of this one band. Like there’s potential to have a whole Iceberg based off of Woe, Is Me.

[@hamm8934]

Honestly one of the most interesting bands from the era

[@0oZaru_Gaming]

Being 30 and knowing everyone of these bands you talk about and some I remember and didn’t care for. It’s interesting to hear all these stories. Good content. This may be a stretch but a story on design the skyline. Cause they were so hated on.

[@KyleCowart]

Dude DTS got so much hate but I saw them live with In Dying Arms and they were fuckin sick

[@taylorwef2]

The fact they put Tyler’s laugh in vengeance was so petty lol

[@XchuggsX]

I remember my friends back then saying they heard a Tyler laugh in there and having debates about it 😂 that shit was really the talk at the time

[@HanceAlligood]

So a lot of people think it was Tyler’s laugh in ‘Vengeance’, but the laugh you hear was actually Austin.

[@XchuggsX]

@@HanceAlligood confirmed by the man himself 🙏

[@ReanuKeaves1]

@@HanceAlligood Hey Hance, can you confirm if Austin wrote all, if not most of the lyrics of I Told You Once. I was always so interested seeing that there’s no real hate between the new members and ex members as far as I’m aware of.

[@allseeingowl-km3mm]

@@HanceAlligood new band?

[@OriginOfEnigma]

YEEEAAARRRRS ago, I watched ONE interview with Austin Thorton after Bohn left, and I just knew that he was the reason for the repetitive upheavals. You have given 17 year old me peace, ten years later. Thank you Cozy. Bless.

[@RichStroker]

Being an adult and now listening back to the lyrics on Kings of Amarillo, holy that was god awful cringe lmao. It was a battle of terrible lyrics for those diss tracks

[@avowedny]

When King of Amarillo and I’ve Told You Once dropped it actually was a huge deal. Not often do bands in the scene have a “hip hop style” beef, but that’s really what it felt like lol

[@itsthekid93]

Thank you for making this video . Fun stories . I met Michael in 2011 on their November tour. His girlfriend just broke up with him that day on the phone and he was trying not to cry but was being super nice to fans that wanted to take photos . Met Tyler when he was doing his solo shows and he told me about Issues months out. Hung out on their tour bus in 2013. Austin was nice to me but I knew he was problematic. Doriano made his girlfriend cry…. On her birthday . And Kevin was nicest dude. I hope the best for him.

[@Rippingthewall]

my wife and i have been checking daily for part three. the anticipation is too much.

[@bryce_garland]

Fun fact: I actually own the Black Diamonds snare drum Case had custom made and it lives on through my metalcore band Saints Can Lie to this day! Amazing snare

[@dj.slambo3439]

When you first started the channel I was waiting for this breakdown. Having been in high-school, college, and then adult life while this whole thing happened it was a bizarre string of events. Appreciate the breakdown and extra insights 🙏

[@johncreter1866]

Man, That’s Outrageous deserves more respect but masterful video on a beef I missed entirely

[@blakewarford1168]

I died a little inside when he called them mid and then D-tier lol They had fuckin BANGERS. I listened to Psycho religiously in highschool lmao

[@jdh21403]

Michael Bohn made a tweet praising Genesis recently so idk if after his falling out with Tyler he turned around on the album, he seems to be cool with Hance as well

[@lettysharp578]

Yes, I have been waiting for the next installment. It was worth the wait!

[@jabbaboy1]

I was 16/17 deep into these bands and their feuds! You did it justice as always Cozy 🔥

[@BMTDTRAA]

As someone who favored the metalcore scene of music in my middle/high school years, I’d like to say I listen to issues far more frequently now than I do woe is me.

[@dennyphantom8014]

Tyler carter grabbing that hand with the "x" on it really hits home now

[@bathumb45]

Can you do a video on The Color Morale please? They were one of my favorites in the scene!

[@jeffdean277]

Tyler is a band killer. It's what he does. It's what he's always done. Step on all the toes possible to get to where he is.

[@brendangibson8200]

Jonny Craig 2.0, to be sure

[@skyDN1974]

That’s not even true because Tyler isn’t famous right now

[@jeffdean277]

@@skyDN1974 maybe. But rest assured, he tried.

[@Spermwhales93]

​@@brendangibson8200 not quite, he hasn't tried to sell anyone any Macbooks yet.

[@sawtrapstunnaaa]

@Robert Percy if you wait long enough, he might give you a good deal on a chromebook 😭😭😭

[@Mehoyboi]

ay das me :D played drums in that wim warped clip lol miss those days. so glad to say i got to do a full warped.

[@Mehoyboi]

psa: hance had to write stuff that lined up with austin's lyrics for genesis. l__l u can guess which ones austin wrote

[@skyDN1974]

Why does everyone always say that Tyler is a bad singer? That’s so untrue and is actually ridiculous

[@ThomasTheCure]

love these videos, man. There is NOTHING like scene metalcore, I swear lol The good old days

[@joshuacunningham7586]

Fun fact. The lyric videos for Vengeance and for King Amarillo are done by the same guy, he was local and when making them. During the King of Amarillo part that says "Dick" he wanted to make the word made out of dicks... but rise short him down lmao

[@Spermwhales93]

Rise should have let him do it lmao

[@ryanmitchell8118]

It was so cool running into you in Salem. Can't wait to see what you do next brings back so much nostalgia watching these and learning about the bands I grew up with

[@stephenmitana]

This series wont be your most popular but its the one ive been waiting for and i sincerely thank you sir.

[@jamesjohnson9819]

Now we just need a video on the Emmure / The Acacia Strain beef

[@charlesbenderjr519]

Issues has such an interesting career trajectory ahead of them. On one hand, Tyler’s firing was almost the destruction of the band’s identity. However, with beautiful oblivion came the cementing of what we already knew- issues is composed of incredible musicians. They’ve said on twitch streams they plan to continue on and release singles with different vocalists each time. Whether or not that’s feasible or just a life-preserver will be seen soon enough. Either way, I’m excited for what’s in store for them.

[@Theamericanglasspodcast]

Tyler is on beautiful oblivion lol

[@FatherDaze]

@@Theamericanglasspodcast no shit, but he’s saying that the other musicians really got to showcase their talents on that album and it shows promise for the future.

[@Theamericanglasspodcast]

@@FatherDaze Not really they didn’t showcase anything. And all of them could be replaced in a week.

[@FatherDaze]

@@Theamericanglasspodcast you must hate your life huh

[@Corvy952]

Have they released anything since Tyler left? I feel like it was a year ago or so since he left

[@jordanweir4867]

You’re such a legend, good sir. Thank you for all the effort and rad history, as always. ❤️🖤❤️

[@unknowndrummer5163]

Hell yeah, feels like eternity past since previous video haha

[@thebladeofnexus3049]

The irony of a “Plain White Ts” shirt not being plain or white was not lost on me. Great video by the way.

[@aloneaflame9343]

When i was an emo-kid at the age of 17 I always thought this whole "beef" was fake asf. To this day I still feel like these labels are creating these beefs and they're not real.

[@jpgiles1725]

Agreed. I think the Craig Mabbit/Ronnie Radke beef was fake as well. Anything to get people talking and put eyes on these artists.

[@blackskater121]

Once again, very well done! I wasn't sure when you'd cover this but I'm so glad it's finally happening. Issues is like one of my all time favorite band so I've been chomping at the bit for the next parts and I'm really excited to see how deep you go into Michael and Tyler leaving Issues for the people that don't know

[@RocketPower84]

I always loved "A story to tell" from Genesis. I'm not sure if was directed at ex woe is me members but it's still my favorite hardcore song from that time. It just slaps and I'm tired of pretending like it doesn't.

[@jabbaboy1]

Yes!

[@ReanuKeaves1]

My second favorite song behind Call It Like You See It.

[@ReanuKeaves1]

The ending to A Story To Tell just slaps hard.

[@RocketPower84]

@@ReanuKeaves1 For real, it still gets me so pumped up even ten years later. Also gotta say I wasn't ever a huge fan of Woe is me with either lineup but I much prefer Hance's vocals. Seems like every band wanted a clean vocalist who could sing incredible high but Hance had such a deep and gritty voice that seemed a much better fit for the genre.

[@josegdiazperez9881]

The end clean vocals were great! I barely listened to Genesis but every Hance part really stood out.

[@inettino]

seeing this all unfold on twitter as a young scene kid and now there’s a video…. this is history

[@Jue2323]

Issues was on another level, sucks they ain’t together anymore.

[@passionpanic1919]

Yooo, let's get a Hands like houses video!

[@blueskynoise2177]

This channel is the best thing to happen maybe ever

[@Al-pv8gb]

i will die on the hill of king of amarillo and i told you once being released by rise records within days of each being the most brilliant marketing move in scene history

[@Billcommaagain]

Also, I know you’ve done Jonny Craig, but I’d love to see your take on the whole Dance Gavin Dance history

[@sickmike0739]

Dark days lately

[@blakewarford1168]

I don't think anyone has a full-month's worth of free time to watch the 50-part series that would entail LMAO

[@Billcommaagain]

@@blakewarford1168 I need something to keep me busy haha

[@jesserayjames]

Cozy is the GOAT of this stuff. Been waiting years for this kind of content

[@alexkenchel]

I can’t wait for you to talk more about Issues in the next video! I’m so glad you’re including them. I love Issues!

[@Maximus_W]

Yes our Hero always delivers

[@jacobgholson4374]

I had no idea about any of this and for years was curious. I love your videos man! I’d love to see your take on Attack Attack and Of Mice&Men!

[@ErikJason_]

Thanks to Cozy Representative I caught up with the beef these 2 bands went back and forth. I hardly remember this because I became a fan of both bands in early 2013.

[@ghoysrtr]

Please do a video for Abandon All Ships!! Please 🙏 🙏 🙏

[@timgrammondrums]

Rise and fall videos about For All those Sleeping and Abandon All Ships would be amazing 😍 great job though, i love WOE and Issues 🤘

[@rainydaycanadian]

Did you ever see DisBand on Muchmusic with Abandon All Ships?

[@timgrammondrums]

@@rainydaycanadian i did not. Is it still something i can go check out?

[@rainydaycanadian]

@@timgrammondrums I’m not sure if I could find the whole episode, but their performance of Megawhacko is still up from the show, weird seeing Martin on drums

[@aldy_4]

Josh from issues is probably watching this rn

[@tylernicovich7525]

He watched it on stream

[@rotaficionado666]

Man, you really had to be there. The finalised Issues line up with Sky, Ty, AJ and Josh was / is really something special.

[@RichardMatthews.youtube]

Great video! Im a big fan of issues and hadn't really listened to Woe is me or knew about this drama. Thanks for putting it together!

[@forestfairy.19]

“Just….JUSSST….. Like are we in middle school?” 🤣🤣

[@anastonishingnick]

this beef was the coolest thing to experience as it was happening. the fact that they were both on rise records I remember being very controversial. it was like the label was fueling the fire

[@tannerhorner2040]

Tyler's replacement both looks and talks like Chester Bennington

[@ReanuKeaves1]

Love it! Do Hit The Lights story soon!!!!

[@Chatman666]

I would've killed to see the look on the W.I.M. singers getting lyrics to that last song you played, and going: "Wait. What? Do we really have to sing THAT?". 🤣

[@itskatrinabebe]

Been waiting on this 😭

[@FoxtailCinematics]

47:10 Cozy was trying his damndest to not say "Who really had a d**** in their throat". 😄

[@xSnizz]

There needs to be a senses fail history video done

[@metalcorehighlights8586]

So glad I stumbled across this channel. Great videos. Subbed!

[@Jumss]

I remember That's Outrageous getting in on the beef aswell, fun times.

[@johncreter1866]

As a That’s Outrageous fan, what was their role??

[@Jumss]

@@johncreter1866 This was a decade ago so apologies if my memory is hazy but from what I remember is that TO! reunited after Doriano left for Woe, Is Me and he and TO's singer still had beef and were just going back and forth on twitter. I think Doriano had replied to a video from TO's first show back and was laughing or something and that set it all off.

[@Wabby21]

Thanks to this video I started listening to Oh manhattans record and it’s actually super good! 😂

[@BrentStryker]

Never clicked on a video so fast I’ve been so excited to see this story play out, I used to love woe is me back in the day.

[@josegdiazperez9881]

Bro, Jonny Craigs video had him talking shit about you in IG and this video has Hance Alligood and Andrew Paiano on the comments section clarifying information. Way to go!

[@MaleTears]

This is what I’m here for. Aging scene kid drama

[@ninadeweese9430]

Work day made. You’re videos are great. Personal opinion, Tyler is amazing.

[@ReanuKeaves1]

Idk about that dude.

[@hunnergaskins8513]

Seeing an Indianola Records logo just brought back a rush of nostalgia. Shout out Vito’s🤘🏼

[@waffle5633]

The world’s premier Scene Historian right here

[@patpatpat]

I’d love you to talk about the DFW locals (in theory) and OG SEA becoming the Sky Eats Airplane that did big tours and phased out.

[@purpleheartsofficial]

well i know what i'm watching when i get home lol

[@bixotti]

I hope you include something about Michael & Kevins little side project they did with Teddy Swims, Wildheart. Been jamming them a lot lately

[@drumaxcruz5797]

Woe is Me is back, for anyone that hasn't heard.

[@Muffinpurplegurk]

I would to see you decipher and explain the S-show that was Design The Skyline😅 Much love dude ❤🇬🇧

[@shanobian]

Rise records were probably rubbing their cash money hands together on the potential beef of dropping both records

[@user-jx4hf4hh4d]

Right back at it again my guy

[@morgothbeatz]

Issues is still a thing to Sky AJ and Josh are keeping it going so the story isn’t over yet!

[@lenbones7940]

If u ever have to use B star interviews just draw terrible stick figures and comically read the transcript lol

[@rohit9lives]

Best channel i've found in a while. Where were u all this time Cozy? 😙

[@erutne]

WAKE UP BABE THE COZY REPRESENTATIVE UPLOADED!!!!!

[@brennanhixt5750]

whoa.. thats outrageous D tier!?!? teenage scream was an awesome album,

[@Kid_Jupiter]

The quality of your videos are so amazing!

[@benerdick_cumberbiatch]

Vengeance has the best vocals that ever came out of issues or woe is me, at one point Hance hits what sounds like a whistle note. I still find myself going back to that song to this day, sometimes I'll just skip to that part.

[@L.D.1]

Well, that's a bold statement..

[@3XPYRE]

I GOT IT TATTOOED UNDER MY CHIN LOL

[@josegdiazperez9881]

Yeah, Vengeance was proof that they didn't need Tyler to be a great band cause that song along with Fame>Demise are the only songs from them I feel hold up pretty well.

[@L.D.1]

@@josegdiazperez9881 I disagree, everything after Number[s] was really boring. Number[s] is the only great thing done by Woe, Is Me. And it's not cause of Tyler's vocals alone, it's cause of the great experimental guitar work by Tim Sherrill. Lots of nice fret tapping that fits in well!

[@josegdiazperez9881]

@@L.D.1 Shit, we even got Lower Definition in the comments section. Love your stuff guys.

[@XxSkriLLeXSmAshxX]

Been waiting all week for this one. Cozy you make some great content

[@WapoStudios]

Really sucks that Austin tried to take control of the band and be the “frontman” because the band had plenty of people with good charisma and weren’t nearly as douchey. Cory Ferris seems to be pretty cool in interviews especially.

[@Embracable]

you've made my day, I've been stoked for this part, thank you for what you do, man!

[@SilkandScrooge]

Funny that everyone from a band called woe is me in fact thought woe was them.

[@zefrontg60]

I love hearing about all the drama! I loved issues and had no idea about this lol

[@TheAlanSims]

Vengeance was hype as fuck when it dropped

[@larrykeach]

Just discovered your channel and I love all the content man. Keep up the great videos!

[@amandamandamanda]

Another great video! I know you said you didn't want to go too in depth into each band, but I'd love to hear your breakdown of Issues's albums, esp the "newest" Beautiful Oblivion.

[@8oichi]

sry shawdy watchin cozy rn

[@ITALIANN1NJA1]

Can’t wait for part 3!

[@i0WNDiN0SAURS]

Reliving that multi diss track release day got me as hype as it did when it happened lol. Literally so fuckin crazy man