The Worst Exposed Video Ever - Responding to a Technicals Fanboy

Smash commentator thefranChise made a video epicly owning me for my video on Zero and Technicals. I have been destroyed, no coming back. Unless... you watch this video.
Correction at 22:51 - Technicals also stated later on in the video "ZeRo's conversations with Katie were 100% irresponsible and wrong in my opinion." Sorry I edited this video at 2am I completely forgot to put that clip in there. It is just a repeat of what he said earlier though so it literally does not change anything at all.
Credit to ‪@CommentCop‬ for the meme at the end of the video
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[@Aetium]

the franchise actually made a really good video. it's titled how to be dishonest, and he's being dishonest and showing pretty well how to do it.

[@JohnSwanYT]

It was actually a tutorial to teach me, how silly of me

[@DarqueQueen7]

@@JohnSwanYT 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@atlasfalcon6852]

4-D Chess

[@darkdoctor1915]

@@JohnSwanYT, off topic, but are you aware of someone called geofcraze634, he has been in some cases that's not good

[@gnewhall4116]

Lol

[@SPMask]

Still waiting on the "Double Standards" response vid.

[@nutsuloid1887]

never coming now lol

[@killerbug05]

Still waiting in 2024

[@pahdy93]

​​@@nutsuloid1887 i think he did a live reaction rather than a uploaded video. Tech also hosted a live at the same time reacting to THAT live

[@ilikelemons2197]

L

[@alicetheknight]

LMAO THIS GUY BROUGHT UP A SITUATION TECH DEFENDED YOU ON couldn't get more poetic

[@taskmagician4289]

LMAO JOHN LIED

[@alicetheknight]

@@taskmagician4289 when?

[@Dakrs06]

@@alicetheknight his whole trolling thing

[@taskmagician4289]

@@alicetheknight lmao

[@inbeing3464]

What did tech defend him on? I dont see anywhere where hes done that

[@autumnbomb]

clown

[@quentinhans4755]

John Swan I need you to hold this L for me

[@El.esposo]

Thanks

[@wooly2020]

Common L

[@loverrboyy]

is that you in the thumbnail :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

[@canyounotmydude9155]

I commented on his video "Even is Technicals is possibly in the right here, you made him look even worse" because that's literally what he did. Was Fran not even thinking when he made it?

[@mikayadeseron]

l rip bozo

[@NateAlyn]

nah Tech being in a chat full of kids sending explicit pics back and forth was the plot twist of 2021

[@olafowl5678]

even though that never happened lol

[@craftymasterproductions4218]

@@olafowl5678 He literally admitted that it happened, Technicals fanboy.

[@The_Big_Jay]

@@craftymasterproductions4218 I remember him admitting to not only not participating, but being kicked from it multiple times, preventing him from even knowing what was going on.

[@RadishHead7]

@@The_Big_Jay yup he did. He even showed it too, but I guess John Swan fanboys don't care eh?

[@The_Big_Jay]

I just reread the original comment. I thought the plot twist of 2021 was John Swan calling a little kid the n-word 17 times and then running his friends credibility through the mud.

[@Annie1962]

Amber Heard sent you a friend request

[@sebastiansanchez375]

So if you don’t believe zero why take his admission. Seems to be picking and choosing when to believe someone that admitted to other falsehoods. You’re choosing when to believe him

[@buzzin8367]

these are the people arguing that the screenshots aren’t grooming and are simply ‘bad flirting’ despite the fact that this is the exact kind of texts groomers send lmfao. they’ll continue to downplay zero’s actions no matter how much proof is shown.

[@jerm70]

It is bad flirting but most groomers just happen to be bad flirters.

[@buzzin8367]

@@jerm70 grew up watching chris hansen read out texts they sent to kids and can confirm lmfao

[@justpassingbyy]

Often, it is the enablers more than the abusers that are the problem. When people in a community realize you ignore people being creeps, that's all you end up with.

[@coco-ty9hq]

@@justpassingbyy makes sense, the smash community is just a community of creeps atp.

[@taskmagician4289]

I mean I don’t think you understand what grooming means then lol

[@CommentCop]

GET HIM JOHN

[@imabigdawg]

cmon john..... really?

[@El.esposo]

What was this video for actually? Cause i still dont see how technicals was wrong?

[@nightmarefrontier7059]

Sick glad you replied love your videos! Yeah man I legit was going through the comments on that video and was like holy crap look at all the confirmation biased..

[@sebastiansanchez375]

Sounds like you speculated you knew something and instead of knowing. With regards to tech’s condemnation of his brother

[@BrainInACat]

Watching all of this and having no actual knowledge of any of this stuff before your videos was quite crazy. The smash community is gonna catch up to the Minecraft community in terms of creeps soon.

[@mrcatchablecactus3376]

To me it seems there is only one way to feel about this situation, consequences are very real. Play stupid games, you win stupid prizes

[@craftymasterproductions4218]

Did you just quote Mr. Enter?

[@BigOwl51]

Story of John swan’s life

[@spyishere3054]

@@craftymasterproductions4218 I think that saying has been around for years.

[@catonwater3118]

Why are you always in something dude

[@MangusMangoman]

1 minute in and I am already in Swan's side I can't trust a man who plays Melee's Ice Climbers

[@godofrock117]

Modded as Amogus. What a goblin.

[@Beastmd]

He doesn’t wobble tho, like fly amanita he gets a pass

[@taskmagician4289]

love how this is the only argument yall can bring up lol

[@godofrock117]

@@taskmagician4289 Argument for what? John's points are airtight.

[@taskmagician4289]

@@godofrock117 no theyre not lol they’re filled with lies and false assumptions

[@goon4744]

my favorite drama in awhile. so bloody. so much content to watch.

[@JayGee1]

When technicals says the smash community accepts Wayy worse, my first thought was "WTF is wrong with that community" He is just showing how bad the smash community is...

[@justpassingbyy]

You might want to sit down if you ever decide to look into this. The Smash community is one of the worst I have ever seen with a long history of predators, groomers, and abusers and people looking the other way. Not all of the community, of course but they have a pattern being extremely childish and of shit like this happening again and again and again and enabling it.

[@JayGee1]

@@justpassingbyy. Yea I've seen some sick shait for sure.

[@GekkoOne]

It's a self serve buffet of degenerates, take your pick

[@JayGee1]

@@GekkoOne totally agree

[@coco-ty9hq]

this zero debate was my first introduction to the smash community and i’ve since read a bit more about it, did not expect it to be THIS bad honestly

[@godofrock117]

I actually tried really hard to find an issue with John's arguments on the last video about Technicals. Tech was my new favorite KZbinr of last year, and I really didn't want to watch him fall like that. But the fact of the matter is, John's arguments and explanations are airtight. Great response, Bird Boi.

[@Lunalite]

The only real fault I could even think of was the "Well aren't you going onto this biased as well" thing some comments in the previous video stated And I mean I say flaw, but backing up an opinion with airtight evidence doesn't seem like a bad thing to me

[@godofrock117]

@@Lunalite that's what I meant. I couldn't find a flaw, as much as I wanted to. He gave Tech way more benefit of doubt and leeway than he had to, most likely because of their positive relationship in the past. And I've been a Swan fan for a couple years now, I just didn't want to see Tech fall. He was shaping up to be such a great addition to commentary and KZbin journalism.

[@Lunalite]

@@godofrock117 Yeah I agree I like the Swan boy but I usually try to find any flaws in videos like these regardless of creator because it's always beneficial to be critical of even something you agree with I just can't find anything, I simply stated a "criticism" I thought was relevant to this, albeit pointless

[@jerm70]

@@lurryfgc3292 Let's look at this purely black and white. Line them up against the wall just like Mister Metokur would of had us done.

[@godofrock117]

@@lurryfgc3292 you got evidence or support for that?

[@FroyourHistory]

I'm sorry John Swan, I was with you until the moment I saw ThefranChise's among us smash bros gameplay, I knew he was instantly in the right. The inclusion of an Among Us reference in the background footage is a subtle self aware reference to calling someone out, like the game's own "emergency meetings." Even more subtle as people were probably just listening to the video and not watching it, a common occurrence in commentary circles. Because of this, only keen eyed viewers could catch the reference. Only those with obscure gaming knowledge may I add. Literary allusions like this really show the depth and breath of knowledge that the Creator had not only his video, but in his points. In fact this is great Meta-commentary on good faith as Among Us games depend on the good faith, honor and vigilance of the crewmates. Meta-commentary aside, confessions _are_ a bad faith argument because everyone involved was in an altered state of mind (think alcohol), caused by the internet and social media. In fact, is say everything said here, even this, is inadmissible due to our altered states. I don't have evidence for this but I can safely say we all have **undiagnosed gaming disorder.** Especially those who play Smash. This is very much an ironic attempt at self-_sabotage_ by ThefranChise; another meta Among Us reference. The seemingly "unrelated" gameplay and his imo monotone delivery conjures up leafy-esque tones. Tones which lower the guard of the viewer as they expect lower quality content, only to be blindsided by brawling brilliance. His points are truly upon a rock solid foundation. His lack of acceptance for other perspectives is a character moment. It shows he is a man of stoic, uncompromising values. Someone unwilling to sacrifice his morality due to petty arguments and flimsy points. I gave you a chance after you didn't deliver on the Minecraft sex mod, I really was looking forward to it, but this, this is the nail in the coffin Mr.Swan.

[@JohnSwanYT]

This is possibly the best comment I have ever received HAHAH

[@YaBoiSneedMan]

me when among us

[@Truimens]

My god that's a long comment

[@marimoomin]

Brb stealing this gold

[@FroyourHistory]

@@marimoomin suing for copyright infringement. My essay on John Swan's terrible video isn't to be copied and reproduced like some meme. People these days have no respect for the effort that goes behind valid criticism. To seperate fact from fiction. Wheat from chaff, it's truly an art to concentrate valid criticisms and separate them from your own personal subjective opinions. Not only this but use your emotions as a tool, to strengthen your arguments and portray their validity to the reader. When someone passionately and thoughtfully rights out a comment it's not meant to be a joke, nor be taken lightly. Criticism such as mine is treated as a joke because of its length because of the emotional validity behind it. You will be hearing from my attorney.

[@benmasta5814]

John jus low key called everyone watching this video, his "fan" lol

[@sarahmcfadden8990]

Yeah I'm just here for the shit talking lol

[@BigOwl51]

The only reason he sees his haters as fans is because his actual fans are such a tiny minority that they literally get ratio’d into oblivion by his haters in every comment section

[@viderevero1338]

@@BigOwl51 Yeah. All he has are Wankers and Haters at this point. He’s sustained purely off of the small controversies he’s able to drum up. Slowly yet surely he’s kinda just atrophying. But hey! I can’t wait for 2023, where he bullies an 11 year old for texting a 10 year old on Roblox. 🤞🏾

[@El.esposo]

Hahahahhaa

[@realmrsandmanx]

Good Shit! Gonna start following up with this more closely now. Amazing job on this video

[@juicebox9089]

no fucking way he said "all he has a full confession from ZeRo" like he has to be trolling

[@soren1803]

Innocent until proven guilty. A retracted confession, if believed to be true, may form the basis of conviction but as a rule of caution it is unsafe to base a conviction even of the maker on a retracted confession alone without some independent corroboration. The corroboration must be in material particulars so as to satisfy the court that the confession, even though retracted, may be acted upon. I hate the whole situation, but while the argument sucks optically, it’s valid.

[@juicebox9089]

@@soren1803 i just think it sounds really funny

[@Buddhistsocialist]

@@soren1803 he proved himself guilty lol

[@soren1803]

@@Buddhistsocialist that’s not how this works. I don’t care if you think he did it or not, I personally even do think he did it, but you have to come at it the right way.

[@bingbong-zr8qv]

bruh this is all just he said/she said, the only evidence we have is them both saying the same thing smh

[@Alextheri0t]

The commentary bros montage made me bust out laughing in public, thanks john

[@saneira]

The ending bit with The Rock juxtaposed over the brothers' sketchy confessions made me giggle a bit too much

[@sebastiansanchez375]

And it is fallacious reasoning to say he did it again when it’s in respect to after he condemned it. If he condemned it after the last time he did it then there was no again after he condemned it.

[@cursedblake]

Tbh I’m digging the black and white setup, please keep it

[@Nersius]

Dwayne Johnson did in 30s what it took Johntathan Swanathon days to do: power move.

[@petergriffin7057]

Go boxing ring NOW!!!!

[@mefour83]

0/10 video, doesn't address the Among Us Ice Climbers skin

[@allunar]

Yoooo John Swan + Dwayne The Rock Johnson collab? It's so cool to see these two incredible artists working together to set the record straight.

[@stanmarsh4566]

Dude the comments on this other video are disgusting. They are ridiculous people who cant accept reality.

[@Bboy4life_775]

Bruh this guy is a walking contradiction

[@MY265]

I thought for a bit that this guy has bots or something because someone randomly replied to my comment telling me to watch this video even though my comment was literally a criticism of Technicals and had nothing John Swan related in it lol

[@Mazettic]

Sheet, more of the LA Noire with the face mixed with your stylized editing style is noice

[@mockinbirds]

ZeRo wanted a designated day where Katie had to do whatever he wanted, that’s bad enough. The fact that one of the things he likely asked for on those days was the ice cube thing *adds* to how awful what he did was, however, if the ice cube thing didn’t happen, it still would not *take away* how abhorrent his behaviour was towards a child. There’s blatant sexual implications in the messages he exchanged with Katie, this is confirmed by the fact that he even called the screenshots inappropriate and disgusting. Don’t know how obvious it needs to be for these people to grasp that this is not someone who should be allowed create content for children again.

[@DontfuckwithdaGunslinger420]

That ending with The Rock memes is a classic. Great job John

[@sebastiansanchez375]

You are again using your arbitrary definition for wholeheartedly condemning his brother and using it as if it’s universally agreed upon. Considering it’s his brother do you expect him to cut him off entirely from his life to prove your arbitrary point. Condemning the action is different from condemning the person you don’t know if he said more to his brother and it would probably make more sense that he did say more to his brother outside of those messages.

[@okayspectre]

detective swan is back

[@FOREEAL]

The fact that ZeRo fans are calling people “sheep” for taking John Swan’s video for granted which includes evidence that backs up his words even though they just openly welcomed a groomer that had much history to his name back into their community with open arms is embarrassing This dude’s whole video in and of itself brings “embarrassing” to a whole different level

[@eyesofdeathperception6730]

Dude. There was a guy in the comments saying that Zero did nothing wrong. It was only a "talk." I have lost all hope for the smash community and I hope Nintendo continues to hold up the middle finger to those people.

[@Bboy4life_775]

Evidence? Where fam??

[@sebastiansanchez375]

Much history? What was the other stuff aside from Katie? Because much would imply more than one horrible thing?

[@randomahnameisthename3147]

Aged like milk 😂

[@absi49]

people fighting/insulting each other in the comments of this video and the other dudes video over something irrelevant AF on their daily lives is the best part LOL

[@exoz9094]

True but you're kinda doing the same thing XD what are all of u other than parasocial fanboys...

[@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official]

Oh man another John situation is brewing.

[@nutsuloid1887]

bro this situation's been over for like a month, john swan copped the fattest L in commentary history and dipped like a weasel

[@crimor6731]

@@nutsuloid1887 I have a question why does everyone hate John swan when before he was being praised for “owning” thecnicals?

[@vwabi]

I can't believe they're using the "Zero was not of sound mind when he made the confession" argument. It's like they watched some courtroom dramas and thought that just because it worked on tv, this could actually be used in real life to convince people of Zero's innocence.

[@sessaku9361]

@@thegreatestdane8978 Exactly, in a court of law he would never get through with that excuse. You have to be psychologically analysed to be able to take back a confession by claiming insanity. "Stress" does not suffice nor is it in any way shape or form logical to confess to something you didn't do just because you're stressed.

[@coco-ty9hq]

@@thegreatestdane8978 he’d legit be laughed out of court with this claim. it’s probably why he’s gone for the “i can neither confirm or deny” the katie allegations and has likely avoided adding her to the lawsuit

[@pkpantheryt3326]

@@coco-ty9hq He avoided addingg her because there is no one to sue, She's anonymous no one knows who she is, it'd be like suing the air.

[@coco-ty9hq]

@@pkpantheryt3326 he hasn’t even outright denied the accusations so the idea that he isn’t suing katie simply bc she’s anonymous still doesn’t add up. he wanted identifying information on her so that technicals could somehow catch her in a lie or manipulation and he could then have her details and sue, bc he knows the evidence currently available is stacked against him and it’ll be incredibly difficult to prove defamation on katie’s end.

[@pkpantheryt3326]

@@coco-ty9hq I mean if anything the discord with tech just goes to prove that it's not that he doesn't WANT to sue her it's just that he CAN'T

[@mockery_finn]

I can already see Crows Of Judgement’s next stream. “Propagandist John Swan can’t take criticism feat. TheFranChise, Steve Delive, RSN, and more!” that goes on for 7 hours

[@itsMeUhDanii]

Lmfaoooo, crows of judgment is cancer and the rest of them

[@yubjay492]

Jim crows of judgement

[@canyounotmydude9155]

BRUH YOU WERE SO CLOSE "John Swan is Still being dishonest!" LMAO

[@mefour83]

you fucking called it

[@mockery_finn]

@@mefour83 As I expected lol

[@thebygoneking]

You fell off.

[@carlroy]

I was just here for the Rock meme. Well done.

[@foxlinejester245]

Thanks!

[@retroTiko]

this whole discussion is so SO tiring and exhausting to watch unfold but i can understand why its not ending. i still just cant wrap my mind around why people cant see the other side of the argument, that zero has without a doubt groomed a minor. even IF the conversation about sending pictures never happened because the girl has no screenshots to back it up, everything else she does have screenshots for should be reason enough to not welcome him back into anything. i would also be unable to just "agree to disagree"

[@thebahrimedia]

The conversation isn't really wether he groomed someone or not. That is a clear and shut case (he did it, and everyone agrees on that). The nuance in the discourse is wether he is redeemable or not and wether he should be forgiven or not. (I think he's not redeemable and shouldn't be forgiven)

[@retroTiko]

@@thebahrimedia thank you, i guess its even more difficult to me to understand wanting to argue so hard in favor of someone who they also believe has groomed a child. thats worse than not believing it all

[@thebahrimedia]

@@retroTiko I understand but Technicals and his community are discrediting everyone for having the smallest discrepancies in their understanding and interpretation of the situation. So I guess to combat that we need everyone to be on board

[@sessaku9361]

@@thebahrimedia Actually sadly you may be as reasonable to say that he was obviously grooming her, which is also dead obvious to any other rational person, but the reality is his moronic fans try to claim he didn't and try to claim this was nothing but an innocent conversation.

[@thebahrimedia]

@@sessaku9361 true but those people would believe that anyway. There are still people who claim that Kiwiz was innocent despite the overwhelming amount of evidence.

[@nathandrake6286]

“Zero’s confession was a sabotage attempt” Seems like a really slimey way of saying “yeah, she’s lying” without saying she’s lying. They never want to say Katie is lying cuz even they know that she isn’t.

[@unpopularopinions7407]

tbf literally none of us *know* that she is or isn’t

[@WhatIsMyLif3]

@@unpopularopinions7407 this has to be a joke I feel like if I question it I'm gonna get hit with "Bro it's obvious, he confessed to it" but at the same time I'm afraid.

[@sessaku9361]

@@unpopularopinions7407 No we all do know that she isn't lying. She has screenshots with confirmed authenticity by the offender himself. If she wanted to sue him she would destroy him with that. People have gone to jail for less. Just check the cases of tCaP.

[@shreklover3945]

@@sessaku9361 she has no legal case, because aside from the screenshots that have surfaced no actual pictures from the situation have been released.

[@The_Big_Jay]

Well ZeRo also confessed to several other allegations, that were later proven to be false, in that same confession, mainly anything Leffen and Jisu brought up. It's up to you if you want to take the retracted confession of a suicidal man, already filled with known lies at face value. It's not a stretch to say that if he confessed to something that wasn't true in the same confession as the ice cube stuff, it puts doubt on all crimes he confessed to in said confession.

[@quasiZote]

being part of the smash community feels like being swallowed up, then puked out half-digested by chaos itself. fakenews everywhere. i don't even know what's going on anymore. rip smash

[@pokekiller787x]

I feel the exact same way

[@bakerboat4572]

Guess I haven't been missing much by saying "Nah" when asked by school friends to play Smash

[@quasiZote]

@@bakerboat4572 to be fair the game itself has nothing to do with the people who play it. imagine playing smash with some mates and simply not care about "smash news/content". you can still enjoy the game, but i think it's better to stop watching any smash related content for now. i hope that some day it's all over and a new, trustworthy community can be rebuilt.

[@bakerboat4572]

@@quasiZote Well, if you like a game or artist or creative work enough, you will invariably look into it's community. And those communities being toxic make it difficult to enjoy the works they're supposedly based around. I think you did a typo by saying the game has nothing to do with the people who play it, too

[@quasiZote]

@@bakerboat4572 yeah, i completely agree. but it shouldn't stop you from playing with friends. that's what i've actually meant. and yeah i don't speak english very well.. sorry for that. trying my best lol

[@hmsfan9]

I hope you upload soon man i love the content

[@MyLittleHomie]

#WelcomeBackJohnSwan

[@Cloudsurfer69]

damn this was a savage vid John haha

[@AsTheUniverseFades]

A wing of help with the algo, from bird to bird.

[@jerm70]

We must secure a future for children to not get groomed in the Smash Community. Ah who am I kidding? We would need to ban the entire Smash Community to make that happen.

[@Benji_Jokjo]

What about sparg0 an Zomba?

[@shogunn2106]

LMFAO

[@Dual_80]

we started with Technicals making a video about zero Then john made a video about Technicals video about zero Then this guy makes a video about John Swans video on Technicals video about Zero then john made a video bout this guy who made a video on johns video on techinals video on zero 2009 called they want their reply videos back but fr good video

[@morallygary9098]

Eh, I kinda missed response videos. In the best case scenario it’s like watching an elephant swat a mosquito. In the worst case it’s a bunch of people getting into a monkey knife fight

[@kulperet4002]

Ayy welcome back Sir Swan😄

[@flamingpaper7751]

I want to bring up that in the Katie screenshots, ZeRo says she'll understand when she's older, which means he knows she's young

[@micearenice8963]

I think the concept of reason but not excuse enters the conversation in terms of defense of a person who displays reprehensible behavior

[@Mikaylalee]

Yo you look good in the thumbnail

[@RedRingOfDeath]

Of course you’re saying that with that pfp

[@Cometstarlight]

These clowns. "All we have is ZeRo's confession." Yes. That should be all you need.

[@soren1803]

Innocent until proven guilty. A retracted confession, if believed to be true, may form the basis of conviction but as a rule of caution it is unsafe to base a conviction even of the maker on a retracted confession alone without some independent corroboration. The corroboration must be in material particulars so as to satisfy the court that the confession, even though retracted, may be acted upon. I hate the whole situation, but while the argument sucks optically, it’s valid.

[@nexalusthegreat1630]

@@soren1803 Doesnt matter what you "believe", in police interrogations, confessions are enough to incriminate someone.

[@soren1803]

@@nexalusthegreat1630 yes, but not entirely by itself. The passage I posted was written by a lawyer. A confession is exceptionally strong evidence, but it’s not everything.

[@jasonfleming1020]

This video was very informative and to the point of all the flaws in that video. Nice job.

[@289dragonballz]

I completely lost it at 3:12 , you coulda just left the video at that and I wouldn’t be mad 😂

[@plushman11]

John's got the best suit ngl

[@otakutrash6156]

The Rock smells what Tech is cooking

[@FunkelMcStump]

You’re one to talk about apologies

[@billymays8864]

that gameplay is so accurate to this situation

[@clocked0]

The argument I've seen for the Laura stuff pretty much boils down to this: "Well he knew the Katie stuff was enough to sink him so he didn't bother falsely confessing to the Laura thing" "So he was of sound enough mind to know he didn't need to go all in on the sabotage attempt?" *crickets* Good video as always, John!

[@smallsoul2374]

Smash competitive community is screwed up, man.

[@loworochi]

I hope thefranChise’s response is fair not brain rot… but we’ll see how that goes

[@HarleyTBS]

This video is incredible mate, good job!!!

[@afroforeskin]

Wow

[@AListProductions]

Brilliant. I always enjoy how you present facts/both sides to every story.

[@GOONALLCAPS]

Self delete

[@emanergza6383]

>:(

[@Ciborium]

Wait, what? Technicals was in the group chat when the "inappropriate" behavior happened with minors and he DID NOTHING ABOUT IT? Yikes!

[@exi_dudi2037]

Well technicals responded by saying that that's a wrong timeline and that there wasn't inappropriate messages when he said he was in the group chat as admin

[@sebastiansanchez375]

@@exi_dudi2037 I don’t know if he was still the leader as he said he was kicked out multiple times.

[@jerrysmith8814]

I'm so glad you keep making videos. They are fucking top notch

[@alexlana757]

Ok, maybe in tripping hard on pain pills or something but the is that John Swan? I mean it sounds like John but.... Is that John? If that is John, he's put on weight and came into adulthood amazingly. Damn it dude just keeps on surprising me. Amazing job dude. Love the new look and the new video.

[@WhatIsMyLif3]

ZERO GROOMED SOMEONE COME ON, EVIDENCE IS RIGHT THERE PLEEEEEASE TECH COME ON.

[@grintheartist647]

At first he didn’t want to debate me saying all of my points were irrelevant. But then he decided to do it. He said things like why care if you apologized to the kid, how much he condemned them by saying he did bad but Jisu and then are worse (which can be debatable, I don’t know who is worse), reinforced his points in the video like why he brought up the Laura story and says how John has no credibility because he isn’t part of the smash community.

[@mrjhrock2010]

Can't find a single place on the internet where you and franchise debated. Quit lying.

[@theinternet4344]

@@mrjhrock2010 they did but he literally delete all of his comments

[@theinternet4344]

@@mrjhrock2010 grin did to be clear

[@Cheaprz]

The only way I can rationalize the small but vocal group of people agreeing/supporting hax/technicals is that they must be a bunch of 14-17 year olds

[@Hubin12]

Good thing zero isn't into little boys. He's as they say in certain circles "a based hebephile"

[@soren1803]

Hello Leffen fanboy

[@Cheaprz]

@@soren1803 trust me bud when I was like 14 I fell for it too. Maybe in a few years you’ll grow out of it

[@soren1803]

@@Cheaprz I’ll bite, I honestly don’t care about technicals, but what’s your beef with Hax? Just too in love with chronic bullying?

[@shreklover3945]

Found another Leffen meat rider 🚨🚨

[@shrmp5055]

Weak

[@blackout2846]

Great video. Keep it up!

[@TrulyOutrageous]

why do people want to protect predators?????

[@craftymasterproductions4218]

Because they’re good at a video game.

[@darkdoctor1915]

honestly I don't even know who to believe at this point, It just makes my head hurt even more

[@sessaku9361]

Make up your own mind. All the evidence is there flat on the table, black on white. So don't listen to emotional pleads or any specific person and don't think you have to agree with anybody to 100%. If you care, review the evidence yourself, not the commentary to it.

[@darkdoctor1915]

@@sessaku9361, That doesn't help at all

[@nexalusthegreat1630]

@@sessaku9361 These people are such sheep that they have to wait for a popular figure to make up their minds on something. That's why you do your own research lmao

[@sessaku9361]

@@darkdoctor1915 Then sorry to say, you are either intellectually incapable of doing it or you have a pre-existent bias that doesn't allow you to make up your own mind. Both things something that we can't help you with. You can only help yourself.

[@darkdoctor1915]

@@sessaku9361, good point

[@Hubin12]

I dunno man that among us smash gameplay has convinced me you're being quite bias'd and have zero real evidence besides zero's confession and katie's screenshots.

[@BiggyB0i]

I've actually seen the franchise videos before and after seeing this video he made I have been questioning every single point he's made before this, kind of an easy way to list credibly in 20 mins.

[@Cheaprz]

Literally all of his videos are garbage. He’s a drama vulture

[@BiggyB0i]

@@Cheaprz true the haxxinated thing is such cheesy shit

[@taskmagician4289]

@@BiggyB0i you guys literally watch John Swan LMAO how can you be this unselfaware of yourselves

[@BiggyB0i]

@@taskmagician4289 franchise literally lied within 5 mins of his video starting. Proveably. Name one instance in this video where John was untruthful please.

[@soren1803]

@@BiggyB0i ah, goodie, a Leffen fanboy.

[@SakuraAsranArt]

The things that pisses me off the most (aside from the disgusting predatory behaviour of course) is the continuous use of the term "mentally unsound" by someone who isn't remotely qualified to know what that means.

[@olafowl5678]

as if you are lmfao

[@ontosinabyss5950]

18:00 to 20:00 I love how manages to contradict himself in a matter of 2 minutes.

[@kyletucker3811]

Not sure what you mean, can you be more specific?

[@electricion712]

@@kyletucker3811 I think that they are pointing out the fact that John said that Tech was trying to get ZeRo unbanned and later saying that he never made the argument that Tech wanted ZeRo to be unbanned.

[@sebastiansanchez375]

@@electricion712 I guess since neither Tech nor franchise made the argument zero shouldn’t be banned.

[@NXZTX]

again lies ?

[@atlasfalcon6852]

the counter-argument is essentially "I never said what ZeRo did was okay, but I like technicals so what ZeRo did should be forgiven"

[@khiddace]

No its not

[@funnfungusie9622]

It absolutely isn't

[@Benji_Jokjo]

He did say he doesn’t like ZeRo at the very beginning of the video

[@atlasfalcon6852]

@@Benji_Jokjo thanks for literally proving my point, "I don't like ZeRo" but Imma partcipate in defending him anyways

[@Benji_Jokjo]

@@atlasfalcon6852 no problem bro :)

[@Jebiwibiwabo]

I saw the franchises video before this and my mouth was to the floor for like a good half if not more of the video, it's just baffling how confident he says incorrect info

[@bwc]

ZeRo: *says Katie's claims were generally true and the conversations took place* Also ZeRo: *denies every other allegation and defends himself vigorously throughout the rest of the twitlonger* ZeRo after speaking to Technicals: i was sabotaging myself bro, watch this video that shows you why I think everyone should be insulted at how stupid they think we are lmfao

[@alicetheknight]

BWC has picked a side!

[@bwc]

@@alicetheknight I picked the side of integrity

[@jerm70]

Apparently most of us are that stupid.

[@tbc1880]

I mean all of those could be true, and Katie could be the only one he did bad like that, however still what he did is very wrong at the end of the day. Don't want him to die want him to redeem himself.

[@taskmagician4289]

Guess we just don’t listen to suicidal people then? Lol

[@sethluna2928]

Hmmm looks like every talking point the franchise made just blew up in his face 😂 great video John. I was hoping you would break down the part where he calls himself an “expert” on the zero situation, that was another part that made me laugh.

[@sethluna2928]

@@SyDock0X0 In what way does he misrepresent them? Which exact dates did he lie about? What proof do you have that he twisted the statements to fit his own narrative? You say these thing but don’t provide explanation for what you’re saying. John makes claims based on evidence and provides context to support his claims. Why? Because evidence is unbiased therefore it cannot lie. Claims made without evidence or other witness accounts (such as yours) have no actual validity. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Elaborate and provide context with sources to support how any of the claims you’re making are valid.

[@nexalusthegreat1630]

bro that part was legit so fucking dumb. I don't care if you've been in the smash community for a century, you don't need to be an "expert" to know that zero is a pxdo.

[@knucklesSilver7]

I will never understand why Technicals felt the need to bring up ZeRo's backstory and history with depression in his video. Not only have other predators used that exact excuse to a point where it gets parodied, but in the exact same community, Salem wrote a massive twitlonger going over his past and EVERYONE clowned him for it. And iirc Technicals was in on the clowning. IDGAF if you like Technicals or not; why the FUCK would you unironically use that point in an attempt to revive the career of a predator KNOWING THAT IT DOESN'T WORK? Even if you liked his ZeRo video, that is just insufferably dumb and an objectively bad move.

[@sessaku9361]

Because Technicals, despite his name, was not technical. He didn't have any factual ground. This was an emotional plea, something you would see from a lawyer, not an independent party reporting the incident. Technicals is a crap person defending a crap person. Sadly it's as simple as that.

[@sessaku9361]

@@SyDock0X0 @AOK Production "The moment you cross the line is the moment I don't give a crap how you got there to begin with". Doesn't matter why he did it, matters that he did it. And if you ask me, this backstory makes it worse. Good people growing up with pain devote their life to helping those causes and don't want others to go through the same. Pieces of human garbage pass that pain on to the next person. The intent was, he wanted to a groom a child and get CP. That's not a nitpick, that's a fact.

[@nexalusthegreat1630]

Because Technicals is grasping at straws to try and make zero look innocent. That's also why he puts so much doubt on the confession and ice cube incident, because it's the only thing he CAN do.