The Worst Space Marine Terminators for Warhammer 40k 2nd edition?

[@lancourt]

Man I miss low price blister packs for single minis to customise a squad. Oooh and the catalog. I had the GW catalog where you could order individual bits... That takes me so far back

[@flamingdonut9456]

Look cheap now, but do remember buying a Bad Moon Nob with the best part of that week's paper round money.

[@bunchofwordsaftertheurl]

Bring back the Mail Order Troll supremacy. I only used the service once or twice Back In The Day™ and it was the greatest thing. It blows my mind that GW don't make new moulds for some of the most in-demand early sculpts and just sell them in blisters for community good will. They clearly know considering how well the Tribute Noisemarine sold.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

It was thanks to that space hulk game I even got interested into Warhammer. We were having a "bring a toy to school" day at school, one kid brought his box of space hulk and another of his friends brought some of those old monopose plastic reptile skinks, I had no idea what any of this was but I just knew it was cool as can be 😎, so a few years later my mum bought me the 3rd edition starter set and the paint set for 40k, i then immediately spilled Bad Moons yellow paint on my trousers

[@sussy_6998]

for me it was some guy at scouts doing his hobby badge and brought his tau army lol. That was like 20 years ago now.

[@hollyd8989]

Gun metal grey all over my school trousers haha

[@HallBr3gg]

Miniscape, Scape of Minis.

[@KingLich451]

Ha

[@BSJDynasty]

Imo the main problem with them, besides their terrible proportions, is that GW made a multi part plastic kit giving them LESS diverse poses and options than even the first edition terminators that came 4 or 5 years before that

[@manofaction1807]

They came out over priced, as the multi part kits came out in almost the same timeframe... They were leftover sculpts from the '95-96 version of Space Hulk, back in the infamous days of the plastic invasion.... Nefarious bottom feeder Chucks were out there putting the 50.00 price tag on them, alongside the exact same figures, still out in Metal.

[@Octarinewolf]

They are still better than the first edition Space Hulk ones.

[@ColonelMetus]

Back in 3rd edition, Terminators were the worst unit in the game,

[@itxi]

Isn't that GWs MO right now?

[@richtheunstable3359]

Leave my lovely 1st edition chonky Bois alone.not sure why I love them so much. I wasn't around for 1st edition and didn't even realise they were a thing until recently now I have 20+ to paint. ​@@Octarinewolf

[@marshobby7609]

Hey I recognize those lamenters terminators! Honored to have them on a video great work as always :)

[@Brickfrog427]

Imperial Fist contrast paint really is amazing. It and Magmadroth Flame are my favourite way of basecoating yellow and orange. I love how vibrant and saturated they are.

[@monkeyhammer]

Always have a soft spot for the plastic termies because they were my first models along side the monopose second ed. marines from the paint set.

[@Kattbirb]

Ahhh, Miniscape. Exactly what I needed in the background while I did a bit of baking.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

In the background eh? That's fine but your undivided attention is preferable 😜

[@robinblackmoor8732]

​@@Miniscape-wh40kI have never watched while baked. The seems interesting to do.

[@echothegecko2875]

​@@robinblackmoor8732 Don't, lol. You get the urge to impulse buy all the cool 40k stuff you see.

[@farseerflore9512]

What did you make?

[@Kattbirb]

@@farseerflore9512 Just some bread. Came out nicely.

[@sippinbrushwater]

... and a poem to finish! I snap my fingers to you sir *clicking sounds*

[@JPR3D]

The yellow armor looks absolutely fantastic. Oh man. The first model I ever had for anything tabletop related was a metal Terminator with assault cannon (Albeit the metal version of these sculpts). They were under the glass counter at a local game/comic shop, having been already painted pretty nicely. I had no idea what it was but I loved how it looked, it was so unlike anything else. I believe I paid $7 for it, around 1999. I didn't learn it was part of a game until I brought it to school to show a friend, and another boy in class looked over and say "Do you play Warhammer?".

[@GhostMaker00]

I loved these dudes! One of the first boxes I got. Man I miss ordering bits from GW.

[@thedandyp]

Space Marine Terminators, Terminators of Space Marines. I bought that edition of Space Hulk from discount books and arts and crafts store; The Works back in the day. Myself and a few friends got a copy each, I'm sure they were about £5 each, brand new and sealed. I remember going back a few days later and asking if they had anymore, and the guy behind the till telling me that as soon as the local Games Workshop found out, everyone had come down to clean them out!

[@arandomlostsoul753]

Best £5 you ever spent, I reckon!

[@HereticalKitsune]

Ngl, the latest Space Hulk version, with those unique BLood Angel models, is one of my favorite box sets, they just look amazing with the different poses and details.

[@anneliseolsen6896]

My first Space Marines army had a squad of the 1990s era plastic Terminators. They came as part of the Space Marines Battleforce box for 3rd edition. They were adorably cute. Of course, I do also love the two incarnations that came after (the ones still available as the Terminator Assault Squad box, and the newest ones for this 10th edition of 40k).

[@greggillespie8259]

Don’t go forgetting the slightly taller than assault terminators that you could find in the blood and dark angel specific kits 😝

[@connorgon8581]

Was just rewatching some older videos of yours and wondered where you were. Nice to see a new one!

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Great. I always release one every two weeks at the very least.

[@Firedrake-f4g]

Fascinating watch but I do think you made life hard for yourself with the banner. I did the same thing in Word when building my metal mini's in the 90's. The difference is I used colour fill to colour the background on the banner, Ultramarines blue. I then coloured each image that I then inserted into the banner. All of this was done at 6 times the size of the banner required for the marine and once I was happy with everything, I reduced the size of the cell I had built it in and printed it out. The banner still sits on the banner pole today. It is older than a lot players and still has that vibrant colour.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

It really wasn't that hard at all, but thanks 😊

[@draketheduelist]

"As if he was a ragdoll my squadmate they did pluck..." ...Is this going where I think it is? "They thrashed him and they smashed him and his body they did..." Wait, I was _joking!_ "...chuck." ...Aaaaaand heresy averted. Well played.

[@UltimateDeliciousPie]

Space Marine Terminators. Terminator Space Marines. Space Terminators Marines. Marines Terminators Space.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

🤣

[@Del_S]

They're only the worst because they're not made any more. Loved these minis myself. But yeah, they were a bit lacking.

[@jameslane-pritchard5002]

The best channel made for KZbin

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Oh stop 😅

[@waynegoddard4065]

They gave me so much joy back in the day.

[@jreschke5]

Yeah dude these were great

[@whalesequence]

0:21 Like father like son

[@skarsik]

I remember being in fifth grade at n 2001, the games workshop employee talking my father and I into space marines instead of any type of Xenos that caught my eye. And thinking how amazing the terminators looked. Now I must admit they are quite hideous, but we all have something ugly about us. So I will love them nonetheless.

[@bobjones5674]

The 'worst' Terminators, painted them as Imperial fists. How fitting! Haha! Iron Within! Edit: Hope you get back to Chaos and paint some Iron Warriors.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

I never really leave chaos. Don't hold your breath for iron warriors though. Sorry. They're just not on my radar at all.

[@nolancarey6244]

its kinda funny looking at these sculpts and realize that the basic guys are doing the same pose as the epic scale version (i dont know which came first). I was gonna say that they look stiff and can barely move but maybe that was the point.

[@jeffhreid]

A blood angel told me the poem was of the finest quality for a son of Dorn. On reflection I think he was taking the piss.

[@sumoking3002]

Recall in 2nd edition you could rock a 19 model wolf guard squad with assault cannon and cyclone launcher on the same model! Gotta love those codex options that the game devs didn't spot!

[@ImperialDiecast]

i think the assault cannon and CML combo was possible even in the 4th edition black templar codex

[@maxbrandt6]

I've seen someone do that with a Ligtening Claw taken as well! Crazy!!

[@1985slipstream]

Yes 2nd edition space wolves. The beardiest of beardy builds you always saw. It was usually some older guy too that had it worked out.

[@mattslucas1521]

Many of overpriced Wolf Guard have fallen to my mighty Shokk Attakk Gun.

[@sumoking3002]

@@mattslucas1521 ha! Second edition shock attack gun was the bane of termies and dreads! My mate had one and turn one it was target priority 1!

[@euansmith3699]

🎶Energy crackles are just enough to slice your foes to apart, Energy crackles are just enough to show off your painting art, They are full of deadly goodness, Your enemies to thwart, Energy crackles as just enough to slice your foes to apart.🎶 The paint job really makes those janky minis sing.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks buddy 😊

[@81hewp]

Roll it in glitter. Love it!!

[@mazubahtender]

Having painted a bunch of these specific terminators, I can't help but agree. They aren't much fun to paint.

[@manofaction1807]

THAT kit right there was the beginning of the end for Games Workshop. In our neck of the galaxy, those damned terminators were priced out of reach at $50.00 for a box of 5. They were all left over plastics from that iteration of Space Hulk, which was, at the time, famously under printed. The Space Hulk game of the time was out for no less then 2-4 months, over ordered, and under released. It was the stuff of legends, how badly GW dropped that ball. They rank up there in hushed tones of discussion of the Beret wearing Storm Troopers... 25.00 for a box containing 6 of the exact same molded figure...

[@ironbomb6753]

No kidding, GW is GW's biggest obstacle to World Domination 😂. Even early GW, (the best GW) had its stupid moments.

[@Treps1]

That wasn't even that bad. I just saw bloody termagants are like 60 dollars a box now. This is why I just buy Gundam now.

[@gosonegr]

Probably the worst, but the only ones I have. I still have the ones my father gifted me back in the day, like 25 years ago

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

For all the horror of bad proportions they do not compare to the horror of those abominations that was anything slaanesh related. I swear one of those minis was two Barbie legs glued to a lego brick.

[@Tom_Quixote]

Those naked beauties with the lobster claws were my favourite. Would not be allowed today.

[@iceniwargames6347]

These terminators are great and I won't hear them bad mouthed! definitely better than the plastic ones that came with 1st edition space hulk, their only sin is a lack of options for the heavy weapon.

[@flamingdonut9456]

I finally gave in. You inspired me to dig through my old minis. Found a 2nd edition Space Wolf Wolf Guard, wearing a helmet and pointing a scoped bolter. Only had a coat of primer, so no stripping needed. Very chuffed with how he turned out. Have a massive backlog of primaris, (forgot how small the older minis werd in comparison!), so hope I'm not going to get dragged into my old Orks, Space Wolves and Nurgle marines!😂 Great video mate, and thanks for my foray into the past.👍

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

My work is done 😜

[@saigancat]

I swear you and Minisodes are on matching schedules lol.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

We're telepathically linked

[@dustinzaccaria7644]

Fantastic. I coveted these Terminators as a young man of 15 years old. However, never actually managed to get some. The first Terminators I ended up owning were the larger plastic Terminators with the ball joints at the hip that were released in fourth edition. You’ve done a fantastic job. Kudos.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thank you 😊

[@Gruntcakes69]

Great vid, keep em comin ! loved the Poem btw 👌🏽

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks bud

[@Parabueto]

Wow, they take me back. It must've been somewhere around 2003-2005, I was out on a week away with the Scouts, with my twin brother. We had some pocket money for the week (probably £20) and we saved all of it for the day trip into Poole town centre. I bought a box of Dark eldar warriors and my brother bought this set of terminators. Imagine our glee when we found out the terminators were snap fit. We played some very small games of 40k (basically proto kill-team) on a table with a 30cm ruler and a single d6 we scrounged from somewhere. Man, that was a fun week (amongst other things got chased into a wheat field by some young offenders camping next door who'd broken curfew and were looking to beat us up, then getting rounded up by our scoutmasters to get traumatised by Sleepy Hollow of all things). Thanks for posting this, really gave me an attack of the warm fuzzies. I must be getting old!

[@brenthartman502]

When I worked at a LGS back in that day doing paint demos during School Holidays in a major shopping mall, GW gave the store something like 200+ of the plastic Terminators (and other sprues) to give out and demo. For that fact .. our group has a fond remerbrence of them 👍

[@KneeCapHill]

The hobby felt so intimate back then. You felt like playing sole really obscure yet cool intricate board game most people didnt even know about

[@frankkelly05]

I have a few of these I spruced up with some extra bits from various marine kits and they look OK. I am slightly biased though as Terminators are my all time favourite models (no matter the sculpt).

[@Bluecho4]

What a lovely poem.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thank you 😊

[@andysands3683]

Starting a 3rd Edition Imperial Fists Supremacy Force per chaunce... 😎👌

[@dominichails6256]

Great paint job. Space hulk 1st ed was the first gw product I ever bought. A true legend of a game

[@MadHax-wt5tl]

Worst Terminators....!? Have you never seen the original one piece plastic Terminators, that came with the original Space Hulk!? I still have some in my bits box, I keep them only for a laugh.

[@captainparty]

The fact you could twist these at the torso seemed revolutionary to me at the time!

[@zachhughes9149]

Great job as always, with an excellent, totally non-heretical, ending. I’ve been going the opposite direction of the simplicity of these with some really over the top Grey Knight HQs and paladins, tho most of them are still just Tamiya titanium silver.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks buddy 😊

[@confused1227]

I quite enjoyed the poem. You should do more!

[@johnfarscape]

I thought these were amazing, I had been playing 1st edition space hulk for years, and the 2nd ed ones felt like a huge upgrade, in 1st edition, there was only 1 sculpt, with a clip on heavy flamer, this plastic boxed set was great, because it worked out about 1/3 of the price of the metal ones, and you could actually carry a 30 strong terminator Deathwing army to your mates house on your pushbike, without requiring a back brace when you get there.

[@garrettverville9564]

I literally just finished fixing my dad’s old second addition minis in case he wants to collect again and he had these! I remember playing with his army as a kid (Im the reason I needed to fix it) and I used to think the terminators were part robot because their torsos spun around

[@chrisproffitt1694]

I have been binging on this channel this week. Really takes me back to my early teens. Thank you for sharing!

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks for watching 🤗

[@christopherschwab6525]

You made them look as good as they can look, Ed, don't despair. Keep improving, keep learning, keep striving! (We all inspire each other...)

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks I'm called Matthew

[@christopherschwab6525]

Sorry, Miniscape and Minisodes blend together in my brain-- for sure I'll keep it straight now!

[@tayjaytesla1142]

These were my first models from the Build + Paint kits released maaaany years after their heyday. Got a soft spot for them

[@nickharling3902]

Another great video. I’d just like to mention that I bought the GW special spray handle at a big discount and it was still a massive ripoff. Useless hunk of plastic

[@ollyrukes]

The worst terminators ever made were definitely the terminators in the 1st edition space hulk. So so bad.

[@marasmusine]

I agree but up until last year those were the only terminators I owned since 1989! Early on I did slice the arm off one and replace it with a metal assault cannon. The clip-on heavy flamer was a nice idea. I got Leviathan last year and the difference in size is hilarious, I can't seriously field them together :)

[@mazubahtender]

How dare you mock the precious goobers with their cheese wedge guns!

[@howard2liu]

I really thought that was what this video was going to be about. Walking meatball terminators.

[@SimonProctor]

So very very bad.

[@luketfer]

Agreed. This kit was so much better than the Space Hulk 1st edition ones.

[@paulfarr7]

I really like them 😆 Recently managed to hold of some more.👌🏻

[@Selvanus]

Love I cam across this whilst painting the Sergeant of that exact squad :D (I LOVE the older models so much more than any of the Primaris-era stuff, they got more charm)

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

They really have. Best wishes with your hobby projects ☺️

[@buriedgarbage8933]

Haha love that the best ‘thrusting pose’ possible for these old bastards is nice and relaxed

[@paullittle835]

19:10 the main use of the built in homers, in fluff, is to recover the priceless suits, even if the wearer is incapacitated.

[@BattlebrotherPhil]

I found out these old termies are pretty easy to fix proportions wise if you add an abdominal spacer between the chest and pelvis with greenstuff. It gives them a lot of poseability, adds some much needed height and most importantly, makes them look less stunted. If you put them on the bigger bases it also really helps. Still I do really appreciate you leaving them in their original style :)

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Good tip about the spacers. My intention though is to paint old models to use with old rules at their original size.

[@danimm2831]

Me parece que te ha quedado genial la escuadra 👌Una pregunta, para quitar la pintura del plástico que empleas? Muchas gracias!

[@marcuspiristi3043]

Nostalgia overload!! I love it, keep up the awesome work!

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks very much 😊

[@MiniCountry-zu9yl]

Really nice video! I actually love these terminators. The new ones are obviously very cool, but I wish they had a bit more of the hunched, compact look that these older ones have.

[@stuartlennon9511]

Love these minis. Great paint job too 👍🏻😊

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks man 😍

[@WanderlustZero]

I thought this was going to be about the monopose plastic Termies from Space Hulk 1... shudder. You did an ace job, as ever :)

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Yeah a few people have said. Sorry to disappoint 😜

[@WanderlustZero]

@@Miniscape-wh40k Future project eh ;)

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

@@WanderlustZero possibly 😊

[@Lavendeer201]

Love these vids! I have a bunch of 3d printed/kitbashed terminators I LOVE for my World Eaters, but I'm afraid of the future codex replacing them YwY

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thank you. Remember you and your mates can play any codex you like if you're in agreement

[@shadowmagic777]

Termies regardless will always be awesome! Thanks for another fun and relaxing video!

[@daiatnara971]

They're a definite step down from the metal Terminators of the time, but let's not forget the Space Hulk v1 Terminators - limited in movement and uninspired in pose as these v2 boys are, they're an improvement. Yours look great too, that effort setting up the base yellow with its underlying shadows really paid off. I still have my Space Hulk complement of these, and with ten to play with I did get a little carried away with poses on a couple of them. All-time favourite remains the first metal Cyclone though, I don't think any of the later bolt-on-box versions look as cool, even the modern ones.

[@jayhall1234]

Terminators have to be my favourite unit and model in all of 40k, and I cant get enough painting videos of the classic sculpts, enough so that I got a bag of metal parts from a friend. And now having watched this I went through the metal terminators I acquired and turns out I have the heavy flamer wolfguard so i will be putting him together soon. I dont have any other wolfguard specific models but I have enough generic to make 5 regular and one librarian.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Sounds great

[@7isAnOddNumber]

The Cyclone in 2e has some fairly silly rules, especially compared to the other imperial weaponry. If I ever run terminators for 2e, I’ll be doing it with as many of them as possible just for the fun of it.

[@maxbrandt6]

You did a nice job on those old plastic Terminators, yellow is tricky if you don't know the secret to painting yellow effectively.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Thanks. I know one method. I don't know the secret though🤣

[@maxbrandt6]

@@Miniscape-wh40k A pink base coat leads you to success with yellow!

[@Mugdorna]

I had these. (Still do really) Around 2005 I added a larger base under the existing 28mm base to get them to the same height as the newer plastic kit.

[@jeffhreid]

Excellent job and enjoyable video.

[@manda60]

I just finished 5 of these for my 2nd edition Blood Angels army! I thought they were quite fine models.

[@madyoudonthaveadad]

So good.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

😊 thanks dude

[@alastair4839]

Great vid! - did you ever try space crusade? - now that games has some janky models... those dreadnoughts are the weirdest ones you have ever seen.. although they are chaos so they could be explained away. Anyway, just an idea for you to add to your Imperial Fists ... I think those plastic marines would look awesome in your new project (and by that I probably mean terrible 🤣 - but I still love them)

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Yeah I played a bit of space crusade. Good game, well maybe the rules were a bit flawed. But I liked the minis.

[@JescoJimBo]

I get so much hobby done when your videos come out. Super inspirational and fun! Thanks man! p.s. I scored some metal Grey Knight terminators on ebay. They're coming from your neck of the woods (England I'm assuming). I'm excited to get in on some of this metal action!

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Oh you lucky devil. They are gold dust. Enjoy.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Oh you lucky devil. They are like gold dust. Enjoy.

[@drewlovelyhell4892]

I still have a few unpainted metal Terminators from the early nineties. (Even an original 1989 one). A Sergeant, Chaplain, and one with lightning claws. I bought a few dozen minis back then, and never got around to painting most of them.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Give it a go maybe

[@drewlovelyhell4892]

@@Miniscape-wh40k I'm tempted because of "OldHammer" videos, but they are such rough miniatures! I can barely muster the energy to paint my modern plastic minis.

[@tonlito22]

I really like how you do yellow, and I've effectively stolen your black highlights over Stegadon Scale for my Chaos guns.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Great news. Enjoy.

[@chestersleezer8821]

Well I got into this game back in 1989 with 1st Edition of Space Hulk which I still have along with the Terminators that came with the game.

[@mg1342mg]

I guess I'm odd-man out: I like these termies. They embody the plodding "tank" I always envisioned.

[@quakeSanchez]

Grumble all you want - they are plastic, and it's awesome! Much friendlier material for a beginner hobbyist than metal. I got myself a squad of these in a 'Space marines heavy assault' box. Got out of my way to grab that just for the retro terminators and old ammo boxes. P. S. While 3 ed of Space Hulk is great, 2 edition is from the 90's, and therefore has uniquely wonderful artwork and, especially, tiles.

[@Adept24]

You know the models are getting bigger, but seeing the two terminators at 0:22 is mindblowing to see how much bigger they are.

[@gdonaldson26]

Yeah, those plastic ones were mince. I had a lovely set of metal terminators (assault cannon) and a set of metal close combat terminators with both lightning claws and thunder hammer chaps. Heavy, and prone to falling over, but they were great. Still, these plastic ones done the job as I procured them from my pal who had that edition of Space Hulk.

[@Pers0n97]

I still have a couple of the metal terminators, these things still old up pretty well ngl. One single piece for the body, 2 arms and that's it.

[@mysticalpotato86]

Loved everything in this video - especially the poem! 10/10

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Glad you liked it. Thanks for the nice comment.

[@CousinPaddy]

I was eating an egg yoke over breakfast during the “just egg yoke?” portion of the video😆

[@nothingview]

Cool, one the most iconic plastic miniatures i love it

[@GoobiestGoober-mh4xp]

The Russian badger is such big mean by now in the Warhammer hobby

[@Proto1Dude]

Vermin Brown. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time, a long time. He was a good friend.

[@Charlie-qn4dp]

“Just like the lush landscapes you’d find onboard a space hulk” lol

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

😉

[@Izayoink_Saccuy]

Don't ever insult the skibiti toilet pattern terminator again

[@MrGibsn1960]

Man, I have like 40 terminators and every time I feel motivated to sit and paint them (also in groups of 5), they sap that motivation quicker than the beating wings of a hummingbird.

[@oligb1469]

Hi I've got metal terminators that look like these they seem pretty old, does anyone know what edition they might be?

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Rogue trader or 2nd edition probably

[@oligb1469]

@@Miniscape-wh40k Thanks! I've got about 40 of them and a Furibundus all metal, This is a bit of a stretch, but how much do you think those would go for? (I'm not selling them I just kinda wanted to know)

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

@@oligb1469 probably £5 per model is my estimation but maybe more

[@oligb1469]

@@Miniscape-wh40k That's good means my sister won't try to sell them! Thanks for indulging me!

[@xxMorgen_Ronny_Doy]

Just for note only Yellow Helmet is only been seen in the Super Macy Force! Codex Ultramarines 2nd ED said the helmet have a red trim or stripe for Veterans! Show with a Terminator and a Vetarn Marine. Much Later Codex change this to the Ultramarine Red Helmet with white stripe for the Veteran Sergeant and the a white Helmet for Veterns.

[@Coproquim]

I liked those terminators, i had a bunch of them with a metal ones mixed through the squads

[@insanescotsman1]

A real treat to end my day! 😎

[@stevenmcgrath5114]

Just inject that 90s sons of DORN nostalgia in my veins please ! ! ! 👍

[@81DaddyMac]

You can't polish a turd, but you sure can roll it in glitter. Well said. I'm stealing that.

[@Miniscape-wh40k]

Feel free to. I stole it from elsewhere.

[@81DaddyMac]

@@Miniscape-wh40k I'd love to trace that down.