The Hidden History of This Butler Anime...(Black Butler)

CW: Violence and censored mention of explicit content. Kuroshitsuji (Black Butler) is a beloved yet strange series about a boy and his demon butler seeking revenge in Victorian England. This video explores the messy anime adaptation, the darker side of the fandom, and the unsettling truth of the previous works of the series creator.
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CHAPTERS:
2:25 Seduced by Sebastian Michaelis
3:00 The Characters from Hell
5:20 The Anime Adaptation From Hell (Mostly Spoiler Free)
18:50 The English Dub From Hell
23:24 Who is Yana Toboso?
26:20 Who is Yanao Rock? (CW)
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[@TheAnimeTea]

Thoughts on Black Butler, Yana Toboso and the newest season? If you want to support the channel consider becoming a patron for more deep looks at animanga series: www.patreon.com/theanimetea. Note: I did mispronounce Yana Toboso's last name and I apologize for any confusion caused by that, I'm working hard on practicing my Japanese pronunciation.

[@crystalfairy912]

In favor of J Michael Tatum, he grew up with a British nanny who helped him get over a stutter. So he loves playing Sebastian cuz it’s his way of paying tribute to that nanny.

[@riddlerosehearts8277]

I hope he comes back for the newest season because Sebastian just isn't Sebastian without Michael voicing him

[@danotazmedia]

You know, I heard that black Butler season 2 was complete filler, but I had no idea that was also the case for the second half of season 1! Suddenly, a lot of the events from the anime, make way more sense now! Like how Queen Victoria miraculously turned up alive and season 3 looking completely different from how she did in season 1!

[@aliyahshoulders60]

I'm embarrassed to say that Sebastian was my imaginary boyfriend. 😅

[@TheAnimeTea]

It’s okay, he also used to be mine 😅

[@aliyahshoulders60]

@@TheAnimeTea Cool, I'm not alone! 😭

[@kingx9693]

He still my favorite. He is one of my anime crushes when I first saw the anime.

[@FeyPax]

Same

[@fandomowytoscik7885]

dont worry, mine too 😂❤

[@solarmoth4628]

The fanservice-y moments between Ciel and Sebastian made me uncomfortable as a child and ultimately influenced my decision to not continue watching. I would’ve like it otherwise but it felt weird even when I was basically the same age as Ciel. I probably wouldn’t watch it now as an adult because of it. Jobless Reincarnation turned me off within the first episode for similar reasons. I just don’t see the point in drawing young boy characters like that?

[@sleepysartorialist]

You can skip season one that gets largely scaled back in subsequent seasons.

[@sleepysartorialist]

And tbh I wish they wouldn't do things like that. It's pretty disgusting.

[@AfianySnow29802]

I was a kid I handle it better. 🙄😒.

[@T.JacobMain]

Um congrats?? Good for you that youre "better"? What was the point of commenting this?? They're expressing their opinion and experience about the show and youre out there turning into some edgelord olympics jfc ​@AfianySnow29802

[@htsunmiku]

It's insane to me how a lot of anime feels like you can only watch/fully enjoyit as a kid (even though it's for a ""mature"" audience). watching it as an adult is near Impossible. You can't stop thinking about the implications of it all. An entire team animated it, the grown adult author who saw nothing wrong with it. The "market" they are pandering to etc etc And this is why I never get arguments of "[insert old but popular anime here] is problematic, it wouldn't happen today/people who liked it back then are weird". As if the most popular anime of last year didn't have a Doctor being inappropriate with his 12 year old patient. There's a "culture" to anime that won't just go away over night.

[@gota7738]

Having gotten curious and skimmed a few of the unadapted chapters, I would warn that rape and pedophilia does get tackled in-text in a prominent way. Spoilers Below Ciel's full story of when he was sacrificed is revealed, and the sexual abuse of him and another character is depicted through symbolic imagery and a few non-explicit but unambiguous panels that make it clear what's happening. It's not played for fanservice at all, and is honestly effective in coveying how horrifying the situation is. However I admit it's difficult to then think back in the moments where the insituations of Ciel being sexualised is played off with a wink and a nudge. Even around the chapter, there's some uncomfortable posing and framing of characters who are minors. The assault itself is depicted with severity, but it throws more ambiguity as to where these other scenes are coming from and what they're meant to evoke. Honestly it's a difficult topic and I don't know how I feel about these things, and I suspect if it's adapted there's going to be a lot of debate around it.

[@eyracb2500]

I became a huge fan of black butler in 2020 when i decided to pick up the manga (i actually got done a huge Ciel Tatt last year) but the first two season are such a stain for the franchise (since the whole book "trilogy" is pretty good) not only because of the filler but the approach as well so is totally understandable to give up on it if that was someones first introduction to the story but i would encourage people that like the premise to give the manga a shot it would not disappoint It's also fun to see so many people talk about it now because of all the noise the new season of the anime is getting from both fans and people curious about it

[@mkospeach]

The whole "Black Butler was going to be a yaoi" thing that has been and is still going around has been proven to be misinformation many times, Yana has talked about her original plans on the series and why she made it in the first place. She talked about how she was using it to move away from making yaoi (or anything involving romance), and that it was actually supposed to be a short story on Sebastian.

[@butlerspinktea]

I'm so glad you mentioned some of Toboso's weird choices because as someone who's been hyperfixated on Black Butler and involved with the fandom for years now, I've only ever seen people idolize her and it's always irked me because even still in the newer chapters of the manga some of her writing is just extremely off-putting to me. Specifically how she handles Nina Hopkins and Ran-mao (who are admittedly some of my all-time fav characters, but more so for what they COULD BE). Like Ran is literally just a walking stereotype and mostly there to be sexualized and to me, a lesbian, it's pretty obvious that Nina is heavily implied to be lesbian and Toboso often uses her character for uncomfortable jokes, pretty much enforcing the predatory lesbian stereotype, even if it's not intentional.

[@hitosan3771]

I feel like you overlooked one other issue regarding Nina...she's literally a shotacon and because of that, honestly, I wouldn't interpret her to be lesbian, just a weirdo, but maybe that's just me (another lesbian who doesn't want her to be a representation of who I am lol).

[@louradean9293]

​@@hitosan3771don't you mean a Pedo instead of shotacon or does that only applies to men? Just curious on your weird phrasing of a character who likes little boys😒

[@ninjarabbit6972]

I've seen a lot of videos recommended on KZbin over the past week about Black Butler and its problems that I avoided watching... since they all popped up around the same time seemingly out of nowhere I thought maybe everyone was just jumping on a trend train to bash on it for fun since everyone else was. Yours was the first video I decided to watch since I've watched your previous videos and I appreciate your commentary and analysis on other series already. Thank you for creating a space that feels safe and reliable for talking about anime like this, even with nuance and space for acknowledging changes in taste, personal or industry-wide, over time. Like yes, I loved this series as a teen but I've known for years that it had weird and problematic things too and I can still look back on it with nostalgia for the good times I had with other people at that time without holding it up as some untouchable masterpiece. Personally, the different anime endings always felt pretty throwaway since we knew they weren't canon and just kept reading the manga instead haha, we treated the anime fillers like fun multiverses and what ifs. I did, however, fall off the bandwagon after the public school arc in the manga due to changes in personal taste of what content I felt like reading. No hate to the OG material, no hate to the people who still love it, it's still an escapist fun time as long as everyone acts responsibly about it.

[@nuggetbtl]

Ikr! I also have a lot of black butler videos on my recommended page rn. I jumped into the series recently and boy am I surprised other people are talking about black butler a lot lately

[@kamronspencer4910]

@@nuggetbtla new season is coming out in April so that probably renewed interest

[@riddlerosehearts8277]

​@@kamronspencer4910 Yeah I was about comment that a new season is dropping soon so people will be talking about it in hype for the new season

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Yeah! 🙂

[@Thegoofygobber]

Negative Legend did a good video on a retrospective of the Manga vs. the Anime retrospective that peaked my interest in getting into the manga

[@ashikyuu]

I watched this as a young teen and I still hold it as a nostalgic love even with all its flaws and weird tones. Even named my cat bastion 😅

[@TheGamer2001]

Even though I am aware of the show's shortcomings (I especially don't like yana's portrayal of women and Grell) and wish it would go in a different direction (it could be an intense psychological thriller and a true horror), I can't help but love it even in my late 20s. I love the setting and the vibe the show gives me, as well as a quite well-crafted eye- and ear-candy (Sebastian). Weirdly enough, out of all the animes that I have watched, BB was the show that inspired me to take on creative writing once again. I see that a lot of people are embarassed by liking this show in the past and for liking it now, and I say that it is ok to like problematic shows as long as you are not overstepping the boundaries and are aware of the problems.

[@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive]

the manga is not as bad as the anime. Trust lol I admit that Yana has questionable choices ( as most manga creators do) but the toxic part of the fandom that ships sebaciel is the real problem as well as the people who believe it. There are many older fans like me that grew up with the story and actually like it FOR WHAT IT IS, rather than what people think it is. The plot is really good, especially now. 10/10 recommend.

[@FeyPax]

I definitely agree. I always stayed away from ANY sebciel when I was watching because I thought it was gross and also just not important to the story. The story itself imo is really interesting and I like the surveys into the fucked up nature of humanity. That being said, the parts that suck are really hard to miss so I don’t blame anyone for not liking it. Also I’ve always thought the manga was legues better.

[@mutiyangpilingbabae9207]

Me too! Ciel is my favorite (sometimes his brattiness annoys me). Ciel is like a younger sibling who needs protection and love (as an older sibling myself) I really don't like when some fans ship Ciel and Sebastian I just do not understand their logic.

[@earlgreymilktae]

Your description of BB as a visual novel with multiple bad endings and the true ending only to be found in the manga LMAO so true. They really made it so confusing for new viewers. 2 seasons that are largely non-canon -> One canon season -> An OVA that is particularly important for one character’s story arc -> A movie -> Another season. And sprinkle in some non canon OVAs in between and you have the joy that is Black Butler. I started watching BB when I was in elementary, so, very young. I thought the fanservice moments were just funny gags, but growing up I’ve definitely become more uncomfortable with those parts and I don’t blame people for being wary of the anime because of those very questionable scenes. For an anime featuring a boy with sexual trauma, Toboso sure loves to place Ciel in precarious situations with older men 😭

[@Shewhospeakesinverse]

I really love the nuanced level criticism you have, though teenager me wouldve been steamed like an agry teapot. I forgot why i had stayed away from it as a self righteous highschooler but i watched a video about the show recently tht reminded me of the elements tht are concerning. I think the conversation about Ls and Ss and fauxsimiles of either warrents this type of discusssion

[@Tuvella1]

sebastian and ciel's sexualised dynamic makes the show more disturbing and interesting IMO. Like it is a horror manga. BB is clearly a shota aligned show. Yet Ciel is a completely unrealistic depiction of a child. Ciel is very young and dependent on this adult he has a predatory relationship with- and yes the predation goes both ways: Sebastian wants to eat him but Ciel is also the one in complete control of Sebastian. that can mean multiple things when analysed. I think Ciel being a child is more of metaphor- his smallness makes him more vulnerable and therefore his relationship with Sebastian becomes more intense in the context of the story. the predatory element is the story. It's natural to be uncomfy with shota but I'm kind of bummed out that people are so afraid of actually analysing it. In general I find the idea that reading shota can proof someone is an irl creep very silly and kind of intellectually dishonest. watching actual R18 shota anime was literally a copy-pasta joke in the 00's yet it didn't cause any spike in crime statictics.

[@taylregene]

One of my most visceral memories from visiting Japan was casually walking into a conbini and seeing shotacon in a magazine clear as day on the rack. I was repulsed. This is also why I couldn't get through black butler. I felt the red flags from the beginning and at the corset scene I had to immediately turn it off

[@pp_vi_iv_]

I thought I was the only one who couldn't go through for red flags and triggers... Glad that I found someone who share the same sense...

[@lordtette]

​@@pp_vi_iv_ Nope you're not the only one. But it does feel that way with how the show is talked about and that's why I watched it. However it's been many years since I've dropped it for the same and I can never get myself to pick it up

[@arsiiiii]

thank you for the video! i liked grelle much before i came out as trans and i always thought she's a badass so i'm very glad i've seen this anime even considering all its flaws. Also it feels like with time the writing becomes much better, although i only read manga after watching season 1

[@nullbirdbones]

Awesome video! Can't believe it took me so long to find it, aaaa -- well edited and paced. Thank you so much for the shout out ^^

[@keikustar]

I hope one day they remake the introductory arc through the curry arc so that we can have the manga canon and make it easier for new fans to get into the series. i was showing my friend once and had to watch along with her (very difficult as we are on separate continents) to show her the actual canon. like it's ridiculous that you literally have to pause episode 15 half way through and skip to book of circus to avoid the filler that pops up so randomly

[@laymayrosey]

lmaooo being raised Catholic really makes shows like this more attractive

[@xxsnow_angelxx3953]

You made it very clear thank you but with lots of warning, best way to do it!

[@sohanicridland9116]

The pedo vibes plus the subtle racism are the reasons why I didn’t and will not continue partaking in the fandom or watching this anime at all. Just grosses me out. As a kid, I watched this anime and was in fact disturbed by those things.

[@ashleygibson1477]

Amazing video!

[@elizip5132]

I love your videos

[@SasuNaruCollection]

I think it's hard to really believe the mangaka has moved on from her Problematic Past considering the weird subtext in Kuroshitsuji itself. You don't move on from that type of content by pairing a little boy with an adult man with "fanservice" like that.

[@AfianySnow29802]

Sure.

[@T.JacobMain]

True. When I checked out twisted wonderland, some of the characters really got me side eyeing the author. The blatant shotacon (Riddle Rosehearts) doesn't convince me that she has changed in any ways

[@oj3730]

Great video!

[@ElectraTechna55]

I'm not embarrassed to say Sebastian has been my anime husband for years now. Everyone I know knows I'm obsessed with him

[@CrazyAboutClassics]

OH MY GOD A TWISTED WONDERLAND REFERENCE IN A NON-TWISTED WONDERLAND THEMED VIDEO *passes away

[@jimmiesavage437]

See i didnt even know they got to the school arch cuz i dipped out season 1. Sebastian was always pretty he just gets scary when hes mad or annoyed

[@AaronJustice]

Thank you for your upload and thoughts. Be well 🙃.

[@moustik31]

LMAO at you using the Hogwarts' houses, everybody in the comments of the trailer made the same joke! Since I have watched (and enjoyed to an extent) all the existing seasons and ova, I'll probably give the new season a chance, esp. if they tone down (ideally eradicate) the sexualisation of Ciel and his relationship with Sebastian. Edit: my experience watching Black butler was being baffled/distressed by the fan service + implied "romantic" relationship btw Ciel, Alois and their respective butlers, while thoroughly enjoying the artstyle, the time period and the plot. I also remember being angered by the 2nd season bec. I HATE, when victims of csa are villyfied as "(hyper)sexually promiscuous" and "mentally unstable" for shock value. It's so disrespectful to real victims, I wish creators would stop introducing these situations, if they dont plan on tackling them meaningfully. In conclusion, I'm side-eying the whole production team of season 1 and 2. 🤨🧐

[@wombat4583]

I like the British people (and some Aussies) coming out after some of the Hogwarts comments because it shows how little some people know about other countries. Most people take the information that it's common pretty well which restores my faith a little because I spend time on too many threads where people prefer to bury their head, an not in an ironic way.

[@katarinaclaes96]

Lol great video thanks so much for sharing I'll try to check out this Anime and give it a watch.😂👍

[@tell-me-a-story-]

The idea that you should take someone’s sexuality into account before you judge them for liking CHILD PORN in comic form is ridiculous. As for age, there are two categories- Old enough to know better, and too young to read it. So no, it’s not really tricky.

[@mcflurryfrostie]

Absolutely. Finally, someone said it. It's crazy to me how there's this double standard between l*licon and sh*tacon, why is the latter given preferential treatment or not treated as seriously as the first? Boy or girl, they're still minors being sexualized/paired with an adult. There's no excuse that makes either tolerable.

[@ladygrey4113]

Oof hopefully the fans who use Those labels 🛳️ as their personalities don’t find this video. They’re going to just going to be loudly lacking nuance and strutting like they’re smarter because they don’t think too hard about what creative choices can mean or signify about cultural attitudes.

[@Shewhospeakesinverse]

I think also an important thing to touch on is.... I have never heard of manga creator coming forward and apologizing for actions in their past.. what tends to happen is the changes are made in the story (oda for all his issues including an unambiguous trans woman character n a trans man character who is pretty clearly a guy but ppl take the bit of ambiguity there and run with it. I had no idea Tsubasa was involved w twisted wonderland..when i got ads for it i was impressed by the fashion

[@ashleykalipe]

Ciel in the beginning is a brat. Also Sebastian don't the folks back then question his red eyes?

[@SarahsSnakeShop]

I will fight anyone who tries to take J. Michael Tatum's voice away from Sebastian.

[@copythatdude6738]

Idc what ppl say about BB, it will always be my #1 favorite anime/manga :p

[@Cybersyd888]

the fit is fierce ma

[@samuellatuffour1584]

I love the video and I appreciate the fact that you gave us warning of Black Bulter will consist of/what you will be discussing within the video. On the other note, if possible could you do a manga review on Kyou Koi Wo Hajimemasu or for the translation Today, Our Love Story Begins, it has the bully to lovers trope(in my opinion) but it may be the rivals to lovers or enemies to lovers trope and the story focuses on Tsubaki Hibino, a girl who is shy, quiet, unpopular yet is very smart(Second) in her class and has a passion for hairstyling while her bully(in my opinion), classmate, rival(in terms of academics since Ryouta is the first in their class), promiscuous and love interest Ryouta Tsubaki has a passion for space and wants to be a NASA astronaut. I didn't really like this story, it was a 3 out of 10 but your opinion on the manga would be great and it has two ova episodes only in sub and a live action movie. The manga has 100 chapters. Video Recommendations 1) This is up to you but maybe a giveaway for fans and subscribers and depending on the prize you want to give out, there could be multiple winners or one winner. 2) Cooking with the Anime Tea(anything you want to cook of course) 3) More essay long videos on any anime because I really enjoy them and find them really engaging

[@valeriarossini543]

although it sounds super interesting and probably something I'd like a lot, I just could never get into Black Butler because of this 28:46... it just makes me too uncomfortable 😅

[@AfianySnow29802]

Love the video tho.

[@anajubs1230]

Hey guys! Just wanna say that all the Black Butler material is on 9 anime. Plus, there's marker of what is filler

[@tyan7967]

When I was around 10ish and first watched the show I was so obsessed with it and I was very into sebaciel. I mean i didnt realize it was wrong haha i was younger than ciel at the time. but I’m reformed now! Now I just love the fashion lol

[@sorcerersapprentice]

I'm giving a bit more insight and input from the Twisted Wonderland side of things, since this video glossed over that: 1. Yana's not just a simple artist on the series. She's also the head writer, meaning she's calling all of the shots and is in charge of the over all story. 2. There are a few controversies about her within the fandom. The most notable one on the top of my head is when people accused the Diasomnia uniforms of being based on Yahtzee ones (not saying the actual word so this comment isn't flagged by KZbin) thanks to a mistranslated interview. While that was bullshit, as someone with a design background, I still think there are too many similarities for my liking, even if they aren't completely intentional. There was also one last year about one of Cater's outfits due to ties with a questionable period of Japanese history or something. But since I'm not East Asian or SEA, I'm not gonna comment on that. There are some problematic elements of the game like how often BIPOC characters are whitewashed in Groovies to certain events like the Sunset Savannah one. 3. Kalim (the guy you showed) is not the most popular character in Japan or the West. In Japan, it's Jade and Floyd (affectionately known as "the Tweels" by the western fandom). In the West, it's Malleus Draconia, who gives off a lot of YA fae lord love interest vibes. The former two are based on Ursula's eels while Malleus is based on Maleficent. (Fun Fact: Maleficent is also his grandma. xD) My thoughts on her as a whole? To be honest, I think she's a terrible writer, but an amazing artist. While there is a lot of bs and misunderstandings surrounding her, her works fall flat when it comes to plot, worldbuilding and basic writing principles like foreshadowing and Chekhov's Gun, especially in regards to that game. They have questionable elements. She seems to prioritize "surprising" plot twists that make no sense or being edgy over telling a good story that makes sense. Her strengths definitely lie in coming up with ideas...even if she's awful at the execution, and character. Her designs are on point. As a person, she has her rather questionable elements like her dabbling in s-con and how the manga treats Ciel, who is a child throughout its run. In other words, amazing artist, mediocre writer and a questionable person.

[@HaydenTheHistorian]

sebastian is so hot

[@JakeMcTevia]

you're adorable! subbed

[@SarahsSnakeShop]

I only saw season 1 originally and thought it 100% could have just ended there. Season 2 was - ew. I still refuse to watch it.

[@phantom-pr6op]

Okay specifically for the Texans doing British accidents thing... haven't seen the original Japanese for Black Butler but is Japanese (possibly) doing British accents any better? 😂 Black butler dub isn't perfect but I feel like that's a you should watch in English series for its setting

[@sannh]

I have a theory that Black Butler is DCMK fanfiction.

[@jinkies8655]

do u genuinely think that a person's sexual orientation changes the morality of them consuming child porn ?

[@Lilas.Duveteux]

Alois Trancy is quite the bad character. Like, the issue that isn't that he's a brat, the issue is how abusive he is.

[@RinPhantomhive1001]

The way I watch it is episodes 1-6 then I skip 7-12 and watch 13-15 then I skip the rest and season two and watch season three to book of Atlantic i plan on watching season four

[@kitakittykat]

🩷🩷🩷

[@pnr2736]

Yooo

[@mcflurryfrostie]

Black Butler is a weird one for me honestly. As a kid, I definitely enjoyed the show, but didn't like either Sebastian or Ciel, nor was I boy-crazy over Sebastian either. What I enjoyed most was the murder mystery and the dark fantasy elements paired with the Victorian era setting, and it was the side characters like Grell, Meylin and the Undertaker that kept me invested for the long run. Also, the OPs and EDs?? Absolute bangers. They are iconic even to this day. But yeah, any love I had for the series died after high school and this video reminded me of the reasons why it did. I still appreciate some elements of its setting and story-telling, but I'll pass on ever returning to it.

[@kabuto3085]

I think your choice to not pass judgement or really give harsher criticism on black butler and it’s author for the depictions of s-con and objectification of kids is weak. My mom got me into a lot of anime, and I didn’t understand why she disliked black butler so much until I read the manga when I was around ten. the framing of the story from the start clearly makes the relationship between ciel and the butler really uncomfortable, forcing ciel to crossdress in like, the first book?? the author of ruroni kenshin was literally caught with cp, and did similar shit, marrying a 14 year old girl to the 28 year old protagonist at the end of the series. I used to think that was OK until I grew up. Given that so many other middle schoolers and young people back in the 2010s had black butler as their first exposure to this shit, I remember seeing kids my age uncritically enjoy it. it worries me that this kind of material being familiar to so many preteens could be used to groom them. I’d be critical of adult fans for celebrating or centering their identity around a work which, from the start, has always been creepy towards minors. Especially because the ‘creepy adult who behaves inappropriately towards a child’ being ‘hot’ is supposed to be a major draw for the series. I don’t think it’s wrong to consume it and nobody should send hate or threats to people, but your almost lack of a conclusion on the subject that just comes across as wishy-washy. I’m disappointed.

[@kabuto3085]

oh sweet fuck I made this comment a few minutes before finishing the video, you’re a made in abyss fan. YIKES. im interested to see your criticisms of it but I’m already disappointed in how lukewarm this video is of the serious issues with black butler. i liked your video on black women in anime and was going to check out your collection, but your refusal to take any stance after saying “oh, yeah, the anime does treat ciel in really creepy ways” is concerning. I remember people who read black butler talking about ciel in a creepy as hell way and I doubt that’s really changed! The whole anime is founded on those two’s dynamics. While I also think people have the right to view and discuss things, I just don’t think your takes are that critical or interesting as the ones I enjoyed in your other video. If you’re going to condone l-con and s-con, you need to work through your conflicting feelings of nostalgia and realize how these works can be used to hurt real people.

[@user-cu3ij1po9p]

@@kabuto3085 not that deep

[@indigohalf]

I genuinely this WHOLE TIME thought everyone knew that Black Butler was fundamentally a shotacon story! I wasn't ever really part of the fandom- I bounced off it early on because the focus was too much on comedy and not enough on gothic horror.

[@LilLadyAy]

I hated this series so much.😂 The setting looked nice but it was so boring, Sebastian's catchphrase got annoying, there's nothing fun about a know it all kid, the threat of taking Ceil's soul is nothing and their fanservice moments are too gross. The side characters just breadcrumb us. Don't like the manga neither.