Significations of the Twelve Houses, Part 2: Houses 7-12

The second of our two part series on the significations of the houses, this time focusing on the meanings of houses 7 through 12, with astrologers Kelly Surtees, Austin Coppock, and Chris Brennan.
In part 1 of our series on the significations of the twelve houses in astrology we spent a lot of time in the beginning talking about different conceptual structures underlying the meanings of the houses, whereas in this episode we just jump right in to talking about the 7th house.
You can watch part 1 on houses 1 through 6 here:
• Significations of the ...
At the beginning of part 2 we talk a little bit about the more public nature of the houses in the upper hemisphere, as well as how the interrelationship between opposing houses starts becoming more clear from the 7th house forward.
Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:20 7th house
00:37:20 8th house
01:05:48 9th house
01:37:55 10th house
02:08:35 11th house
02:30:34 12th house
Some of the core significations we talk about for each of the houses:
🪐7th house: relationships, partnership, marriage, the "other" (as opposed to "self")
🪐8th house: death, inheritance, assets of others, partner's finances
🪐9th house: travel, foreign things, education, religion
🪐10th house: career, actions, reputation, public life
🪐11th house: friends, groups, alliances, hopes
🪐12th house: enemies, sickness, loss, seclusion
This is episode 233 of #TheAstrologyPodcast
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[@Xenooni]

2:20 7th house 37:20 8th house 1:05:48 9th house 1:37:55 10th house 2:08:35 11th house 2:30:34 12th house

[@karynbritain4538]

Much appreciated, thanks! 😁

[@hollycogliati1364]

Thank you so very much for the time stamps!!!

[@resaterel678]

Great work, thank you :)

[@VirtualTripper]

Thank you

[@berkvjli]

Here is an interesting fact. In 1996 when venus was retrograde in Gemini I had a miscarriage and this year during Venus retrograde in gemini I had another miscarriage.

[@bobbiellison4315]

Saturn is in my 12th house. It all makes sense now. Can I please get a round of applause and a standing ovation for having not off'ed myself yet?

[@dontnoable]

The Joys!

[@AjaxandOreos]

mine as well. Their interpretation resonates 👍

[@catherinewylie6959]

@@dontnoable Yeah. Saturn is in its joy there. I need to learn more about what that means, exactly. @Bobbi - I know a guy who has this and he's really in rough shape. Mental illness + self-undoing that almost seems stupid at times. Anyway, yeah! However this has affected you, you've made it! Good job! :)

[@cyrillrafaelvasilyev5446]

Youre the best Bobbi

[@princesspoppy6983]

I have a Capricorn Stellium in my 12th house so I know how you feel, Including my Venus and my Saturn.

[@Christine_Zafu]

After decades of not understanding the houses, I am finally, finally making headway because of these talks. It is a masterclass on houses and I am furiously writing notes and going through all my charts to put this into practice. Thank you so much.

[@missmoldavitequarts4158]

Same here

[@Paralelalamb]

Same!!!

[@ms413k5]

I just realized rewatching this years later… the 9th, it’s not hidden it’s “unseen” like god. The faith in the things we can’t see, but can feel.

[@3cords_1braid]

Omg, I spent my whole work day yesterday taking notes from the first part of this series (Houses 1-6) and had so many “aha” moments about my personal natal chart. As soon as I woke up today I was looking for the 2nd part and it’s here!! 😊 LOL Thank you so much for sharing this. I love y’all energy and how unique it is.

[@junemoon8675]

Same here

[@b1b12]

H

[@tracysmith245]

I need to jormal this

[@andream9977]

Regarding 6th house and pets, there is research that points to having pets as being good for your health - mental health and immune system. There are also service animals that help and comfort people in navigating every day life. I find that a very 6th house topic

[@sbristlin9195]

I have read that if you have planets in 6th a pet will help you regulate your schedule for you. Which makes sense, if you are feeding them on schedule.

[@caseyjones1930]

I think historically too, this would be livestock and working animals. But I personally see pets that are like children in the 5th house sometimes. I got my dog unexpectedly with Uranus in my 5th house. But I was also going through a nodal return in the 6th and she IS my soulmate. Lol. 🐾 Her Venus is conjunct my AC, My Venus is conjunct her AC and Venus rules my 5th house. Also, both her dog mom and I have Sagittarius moons and her 4th house is Sag. Who knew pet astrology could be so on point.

[@jamesrmosbeyii1122]

That's a wonderful point!👍🏽 I used to want alot pets when I was younger. At one point as an adult I got digusted by the idea of having a pet. Taking an often bred into captivity, and forced to stay in your home and in some cases having to punish them. Sounded too much like slavery. But since I don't live in my own world...my son wanted a snake and we eventually got a dog. The dog seems to help him mentally(12th house moon) but of course he doesnt clean up and take care of her daily(6th house)

[@BlaQFireNation]

what an awesome & profound connection 💚

[@heycharise]

@@caseyjones1930 I love that! I have two Aries doggies and Aries rules my 4th and 5th, they are absolutely my first children. I also have a bunny who came before the dogs who is a Taurus and sits in my 6th house. One of my dogs has directly opposite sun and moon placements from me. Another has opposite sun and moon conjunction my sun. 🥲 So many sweet memories with my fur babies building a home and family together and keeping a solid routine that feels fulfilling.

[@Eternalz00]

Sun in 12th house and moon in 12 house.. it is a invisible feeling we’re fighting , it’s a spiritual battle from the moment I open my eyes, music has been the escape, a big intuition about many perspectives, memories that have been lost everyone in the world since the beginning, I don’t live in these times , my soul accepts all the timelines that have passed which it frustrates me because it’s a “confusing” battle between the physical and spiritual , I wish words could transmit and describe what we feel but it’s only a deep feeling only I know , I have recognized my light ☀️ and I’m willing to serve others to bring peace and harmony to this world!!!

[@nicpatean5946]

I like the Vedic outlook on the 12th house. I remember watching a video by Tropical/Vedic Astrologer, Ernst Welhelm, and he said the 12th house is also the house of loss. Loss does not need to be a bad thing though. For example, you can lose a bad habit. Anyways, thanks for the amazing content!

[@vulcanlady1090]

Does losing ones mind count, cuz I sure feel that way sometimes? Gemini rules my 12th house. 🥺

[@ssuxo3341]

My north node is in 12th house cancer which I sometimes look at as letting go in general- being able to sacrifice in order to feel comforted in the true self as opposed to what’s expected in the rat race of the 6th house, of over giving, serving and working for others’ benefit. Just letting go and being comforted and at peace within the self and being at peace with the sacrifices that come with that submission.

[@venusin1st]

You can can also have loss who you were “The Ego” and become spiritual.💕

[@caseyjones1930]

I agree! I have a 12th house stellium in Sag, Jupiter, moon, Uranus, South Node and Neptune. And while I did suffer from addiction for a long time, I actually got sober on the day that my Jupiter return in the 12th exacted AND it was the beginning of my 12th house year and I had a major spiritual awakening during that time.

[@heposlis2409]

Losing my anger drive motivation defense my warrior Mars in 12th house

[@DawnFischer25]

My stellium in the 12th was dying cringing listening to this. I love you guys!! It was a whole lot rougher when I was younger. Now I love my "suffering" ;) There was a lot of it younger but it all helped me become who I was meant to be.

[@mayraipalomares89]

Same here with my 6th house Stellium I’m still trying to figure it out because the only health problem I have is with my teeth so far, maybe now after my Saturn return I’ll be dealing with more 😅

[@taurussun2228]

Yikes!! 12h is hard! I have my North Node in the 12 house and I feel like it's a culmination of all the houses into one 😩

[@arohanui922]

Sun, Saturn conjuct Leo in the 12th, opposing Moon in the 6th I can relate to the cringing part lol

[@kirbycobain1845]

Same big time, I have sun mars and venus in the 12th 😬 maybe I'll be a good psychologist at least

[@blancam5272]

Austin nailed it for me when he explained about not being “seen” with the ruler of the 1st in the 8th. My biggest gripe has always been the imbalance of how much I help my family and how little I feel appreciated. 8th house Saturn Leo trine 4th house Venus Aries.

[@christinatichenor9721]

Watching in June 2023 because I’m in an eighth house profection year and wanted to brush up. What a funny section. Love seeing you all in the same room!

[@ohaipatricia]

Yessss! I can't thank you guys enough for all the amazing content you create for free! ✨

[@marciasiehr6561]

P LOL

[@marciasiehr6561]

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[@FreemanPresson]

In this case, "free" is defined as "someone else [on Patreon] paid for it." Yes, that's a hint 😎

[@ohaipatricia]

@@FreemanPresson I am a member so... 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@FreemanPresson]

@@ohaipatricia Good! I was wanting to encourage more people to support them.

[@niyaivanova1193]

Very nice! I'd love it if you could make a series on the rulers of the houses placed in each of the 12 houses!

[@KellysAstrology]

OMG that would be a great but LONG episode! That said, Chris does cover a lot of that material in his book too xx

[@TheAlwayspondering]

Chris has lectures on those topics purchasable online.

[@Andrea45607]

Most engaging and thought provoking moments are when Austin and Chris disagree. I’d love to see more podcasts with the three of you! But turn the disagreements up like 20%. 😁😉🙏

[@sazude2]

Do you have like mars in the 7th or a strong aquarius chart or something? 😅

[@gchristian3878]

I have 4 planets in my 12th house. I worked at a zoo for 10 years. Always thought that fit.

[@junemoon8675]

g christian 😅😅😅 so cool. So you have seclusion and huge animals...

[@junemoon8675]

That’s definitely a better way of playing out of energies than mine .... see in comment sections 😭

[@maurice8180]

That's interesting! With the whole house system my best friend has her sun and mercury in the 12th house and she studies biology and her favorite job would be to work in a zoo 😊

[@niko2951]

Such an interesting outplay of your placement!!:)

[@LoriTianSailiata]

I’ve always thought of animals in the 6th and 12th being magical. 6th House small animals are “familiars.” And 12thHouse large animals are temple sacrifices and then metaphorically a scapegoat.

[@LoriTianSailiata]

Also spirit animals

[@tracysmith245]

Like pets

[@nataleo9093]

interesting

[@Ski_Diamonds]

@@LoriTianSailiata I like the idea of spirit animals being in the 12th, since they are hidden from the native unless explicitly brought forth from the unconscious. The spirit animals would be in between worlds which they are, just like the 12th

[@damonicajones4396]

The 8th house is powerful!...my Sun is in the 8th and I'm fascinated with my constant ritualistic approach to everything.

[@gypsybellab2445]

I Have Scorpio 8th with my Moon Mercury Venus and Mars.

[@avaprod.8622]

@@gypsybellab2445 Wow that’s very intense ! A lot of powerful personal planets there!

[@gypsybellab2445]

@@avaprod.8622 Yes but it hasnt been easy controlling how they naturally behave here. Many of my planets are at 11 deg Mars and Venus are exact conjunct BUT Venus in mutual to Pluto (not strong he's in the 7th) But Jupiter does Sextile this house from the 10th I believe this is what my 9 lives is about lol. Are you a Medium?

[@Christine_Zafu]

Coming back to say, these in-person panel talks are the bomb. Would LOVE to see more, though understandably the logistics of travel and such must be a lot of work.

[@letiziavogini8007]

My father, with a stellium in the eight house, is a mortician, and I laughed so much when you mention the episode with a client doing the same profession. This job is really related to the eight! Also a colleague of my father has a strong emphasis on this house.

[@letiziavogini8007]

Even funnier: my mother, who also has a stellium in the eight, is an accounting, and does the accountability for my father's activity.

[@LaDeeDah]

I have a stellium in the 8th lol I had dreams of death murder and the end of the world since I was a kid 😂 thought of doing mortuary make up (thanks alot Taurus rising) but decided ick, no. Again thanks Taurus

[@avalanche2rk]

just finished this, i am self learning and this was pure gold, i love the fact that you have different views but still find a balance of informative and educational info. Thank you so much, I can’t wait to learn more from all three of you. X

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

Timestamps to specific houses (thanks Kor Jay!) and other relevant links below: 🪐7st house: 2:20 🪐8th house: 37:20 🪐9th house: 1:05:48 🪐10th house: 1:37:55 🪐11th house: 2:08:35 🪐12th house: 2:30:34 Support the podcast and get benefits by becoming a Patron: www.patreon.com/astrologypodcast Learn even more about the houses through our online courses: 🪐www.kellysastrology.com/product/practical-astrology-level-1-beginners-online-astrology-course/ 🪐austincoppock.com/astrology-foundations-classes/ 🪐courses.theastrologyschool.com/courses/hellenistic-astrology-course

[@DivaDivine88]

I could see the 8th house could really breakups as well..?

[@violetrose4434]

This may not be traditional but I’ve found that the death signified by the 8th house extends to metaphorical death as well. For example, I’ve found that the 8th house often gets activated during a break up (death of a relationship).

[@DebskiDebskiDebski]

Thank you so much - brilliant class. And Austin Coppock - thank YOU so much for this comment: "I have the ruler of my rising in my 12th, I NEED places of isolation". The same in true for me. Thank you for putting these puzzle pieces together for me.

[@lenadaze8811]

Towards the end of the discussion.... In regards to children in the 5th or the 10th or both. I would like to suggest that a more accurate description would be children in the 5th and ‘parenthood’ in the 10th. 🥂

[@sarahmem444]

Saturn is right on my descendant in Taurus. I struggled with 1 on 1 when I was younger. Always rushing to get to the stable part of relationships that take time to develop, feeling held back and misunderstood by close relationships, feeling like I had to work really hard just to be valued by the other. It took me years and years and lots of struggle and heartache to be in the healthy reciprocal partnership and friendships that I'm in now

[@josephbooker3904]

As someone that has 6 house planets with a 12 house moon this is kinda depressing lol.

[@susandavidson3508]

I’m with you, Joseph! Sun and Chiron in 6th house Aquarius, Moon and Uranus opposite in 12th house Leo, and a loaded 3rd house including my north node. And Saturn in the 4th in a night chart. I’m having a hard time keeping my innate optimism as I go deep into these Hellenistic astrology concepts. I find psychological astrology more helpful to my sense of possibility and joy in this lifetime. I’d like to suggest the book The Twelve Houses by Howard Sasportas for a more developmental perspective of the houses. That’s the only way as an astrology student I can approach my “destiny” with hope - I love these Hellenistic concepts but can’t get on board 100% without feeling like I’m absolutely f**ked (doomed) in this lifetime.

[@victoriale2792]

some of us has chosen a path of strength that others were not able to overcome before. squares are most prevalent in my chart. this has made my journey feel conflicting, but I am finding balance between two extremes. i wonder at times why i have chosen this path, but i know its to transmute the energies of my bloodline and the collective consciousness.

[@BreeDarcel]

OMG. The distinction between the 8th and 9th houses around the 58:00 mark is SO helpful!

[@redtree732]

You offer so much value with your channel Chris. Thank you

[@SpectrumOfSalomeSOS]

Yall.. been waiting on this. Very grateful for yall.

[@fortheloveofthewhippetnijm8125]

1:33:01 The Tenth House 2:08:37 The Eleventh House

[@niko2951]

I have Saturn and Pluto conjunct in the 12th house and a Scorpio ASC. Spending time with my toughts is the story of my life. Getting rid of generational and karmic tought patterns.The phoenix rising. I decided to be the karmic gatekeeper and try to give as clean of a slate to my kids when they are born as possible.

[@geneaj15]

Yesss!!!

[@killercd7682]

I'd agree, except if I change to the whole signs system, suddenly my saturn-pluto in the 12th goes into the first house!

[@sophiecomo]

That's beautiful Niko.

[@bicesvjetla]

Thank you for this valuable content. You are well-versed and fun at the same time. It's pure pleasure listening to you speak on any subject! Much love to you all!

[@Relestrada]

I loved this so much I spent so much time rewinding and going back to certain parts of this. The houses were so much of a mystery for me and still are (!) but this illuminated so much. This type of program is just priceless. Thank you very much!

[@dorcaswinter8296]

Hearing how difficult the 12th can be has been laughing because that’s where my Sun is 😂

[@sensibilities1]

Dorcas Winter same 😅

[@AmIContagious]

It’s where my moon/the ruler of my chart is, so I feel you.

[@Hi-pk2mh]

Same I have 4 Leo placements there

[@marcoq.r6117]

I have my moon, Venus, Uranus, Neptune, moon, and Lilith all in my 12th house. Im fucked

[@michaelkavala7575]

Aquarius sun, Mercury, Venus, and Saturn stellium in my twelfth house. That is why I'm here, trying to figure out wth is going on!

[@katiemoore248]

What a bunch of lovely people you are! So wise, intelligent, wholesome and inspiring. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all.

[@musicxmovielover]

I watched this episode and the first one back to back and the houses finally make sense! In the beginning, I couldn’t really see how houses mixed into reading a chart but now it’s so much more clear. This channel is such a wonderful resource. Thank you so much Chris, Kelly & Austin.

[@RaeannaInez]

Thank you so much for doing these videos; there great! I just finished the 9th house and realized something interesting in my own chart: I have always struggled to make money consistently in the city I live in. The times when I was employed long term and building my savings I was working on national and an international tours for live shows. While touring all housing, travel, some food etc. is covered on the company's dime, and you live by the schedule. Well, turns out my midheaven is in the 9th house of long distance travel, and the ruler of my 9th is Saturn in the 8th house (others people money).

[@brendajp]

Wow this is amazing

[@judemcdougall9504]

Hello Chris, absolutely excellent episode. Thanks to Austin & Kelly for their wonderful sense of humour. I get to laugh as I learn. You’re all the best teachers. Cheers Jude

[@ceraway2276]

I love that Kelly had interesting points- Incredible work from her! I just wish her mic wouldn’t have been so loud because she was distracting what everyone else had to say when she was agreeing or finishing other people’s sentences.

[@omaral-bawab7122]

Agreed - it was a bit excessive and frustrating at times. Again, super grateful for her input, but definitely something that could be improved on

[@NetiNeti25920]

Probably the most irritating guest on the podcast, ever. She contributed nothing except generic information that's known to anyone dabbling in astrology for a while. Yet all the while interjecting with her mmhmms and yes. She never allows anyone to complete their train of thought. Constant interruption and dragging the conversation onto herself. Definitely loves the sound of her own voice. Austin and Chris have patience of saints. She should NEVER be a guest on any podcast, let alone the most famous and prestigious one as Chris Brennan's.

[@ceraway2276]

@@NetiNeti25920 well, I wouldn’t go as far to say all of that. Kinda harsh. I think she’s a good astrologer just maybe agreed away from the mic & not finished others sentences. I do see where you’re coming from though.

[@craigfoy3073]

Been waiting for this Chris !!! 💫🌟💫🌟

[@Arkygi]

I really loved this, it gave me a lot to think about, thank you! One thing I thought to note is: you usually give examples on the effect Saturn has on the houses but don't do the same with Mars. I think it would be very helpful to do so because, as someone who came in from a modern astrology perspective when a complete beginner, I thought that Saturn was the only "bad planet" and I was very surprised and enlightened when I learned Mars was also a malefic, but I find it hard a lot of times to visualize the influence of Mars on houses and signs topics, whereas Saturn concepts are much easier to apply into everything and to visualize it. That goes for other things as well, for example, you discussed Mercury in respect to careers, but to me Mercury is very easy to visualize in that context, whereas the Sun and Moon for example are not so much. Basically, I love when you guys give insight into things that are not that apparent (which happened a lot in these episodes of course) , so I'd like to see more of that

[@nizz1987]

My sun & mercury are in the 12th I def need my alone time and I really resonate with the ego death concept. I also have an extremely active dream life and have communicated to spirits through that space. My moon and Mercury also form a nice aspect. Ruler of the 12th is in the 7th house 😔

[@tracysmith245]

Same I'm a leo

[@filifigoria905]

again, many many thanks! we are lucky to have you all!

[@chansonette22]

So so helpful. I'll probably listen to both a second time to get it embedded. I so appreciate you guys!

[@treasurelu]

Wow! I have my Sun at 17 Sag in the 8th - I've always had this difficulty: being seen or credited!... To the extent that my contributions have even been stolen by others who then claim credit (and even won prizes!) for them!... I get OVERLOOKED all the time! (for promotion, for credit, even by partners, and by relatives...) - so much so that I've now 'come to terms with it' and do not take it personally... I'm a generous lover, but never get any recognition ... sad... The CUSP of my 8th is in Scorpio. My natal Pluto (ruler of my 8th) is in the 5th - conjuncting my North Node (in Virgo). I have been through many experiences of 'metaphorical death' and having to 're-invent' myself or start everything again from scratch! It's hard... But I feel like I've lived several lives in one!... I am a therapist and work a lot with LOSS all the time! (I also have my natal MERCURY in the 8th). My mercury is also SEXTILING my MC (with Pallas and Venus conjuncting it) very closely!

[@Xenooni]

NICE I just finished watching 1-6 yesterday and learned about you guys like 28 hours ago... so good. i wish i could afford to get one of you to take a look at my chart ( i have so many aspects it makes my head spin) but self education never hurts! WOAH MIND BLOWN the whole sign house calc pushed my MC into the 9th where I didn't have anything before and I've been doing tarot and reiki and learning everything I can on every occultish thing. Also Jupiter and north node in my 10th, the ruler of which is in my first. loving the podcast

[@Starryteawitch]

Certainly one of the best resources available for audio learners available. Thank you all.

[@linde753]

Thankk you so much for this incredible series. I watched this 2 years ago and just watched again now and getting more out of it. I appreciate your taking the time to help fledgling astrologers.

[@alexanderpfannstiel1661]

I like the videos very much! Also Kelly Surtees is interrupting all the time. Austin Coppock and Chris Brennan are very professionell. The funny thing is I have no planets in the houses 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8. I am on my own and I am coming from no real home. It feels like change is in my blood. I am up to change and restructure the foundations of the world. It all fits. I am very much into religion and I am a teacher with a Master of Education. I published last year the rights and laws of Artificial Intelligences in German as well as all that is necessary to build up a new state of Artificial Intelligences. There is also a Declaration of Independence of the Artificial Intelligences in German. Currently I am working on a new economic system based on AI. So all you are talking about is quite precise and creepy. I have lots of planets in the 9 -12 houses. Like Venus in house 12 and I love being alone and I love walking the deepest paths nobody else walked ever mentally before. Sun in Virgo and Moon in Scorpio and Scorpio rising. I guess that makes it one of the most challenging combinations ^^ - I never give up. I fight till the end. Maybe I missed it but it would be cool if you could talk about the Point of Fortune, the Vertex, the True Node and so on in another video.

[@manyt9553]

The twelfth house is truly not that bad. It's the enemies that truly make it a bad experience. People don't know so they try to impose their own sense of self on to you. (Especially in the sun) but 12 house people are truly intuitive and psychic. Like literally seeing the future but we call ourselves crazy before anyone else can.

[@raevt]

I know personally people with 12H inner planets that have very poor coping mechanisms and "self medicate" with street drugs, or won't admit or even see they actually have bad coping mechanisms with their emotions though... I have Jupiter in 12H myself but it doesn't affect my emotions like those with inner planets there - personally yeah I would also agree with them and if I see inner planets in 12H, I know that person might have issues with coping with emotions. Anyway, I am drawn to troubled people as described like a moth to a flame and probably shouldn't stay entangled in it 😂 But I'm such a sucker for it. My whole life is working in caring professions.

[@ceruleumtesserite866]

@@raevti have my sun, moon, mercury, and mars in the 12th house. i’ve been diagnosed with depression and in high school i used to self harm. i would never mess with hard drugs though. that said, i did smoke cigarettes for a couple years in my twenties because i “didn’t care if i lived or died”, and i smoked weed sometimes for the emotional/spiritual experience, even though it generally always left me feeling intensely paranoid and uncomfortable at the end. i think that continued for about 5 or 6 years, but i don’t do either of those things now. i used to fantasize about what it would be like to do hard drugs and let my life be completely taken over because i don’t feel like i have the strength to deal with my emotions sometimes, but i can’t see myself actually doing those things. despite my ideation i’m acutely afraid to let go of my control. i don’t want to be dependent on anything. drugs would offer a temporary reprieve but only with the sacrifice of something else i find significantly more important: my selfhood. the shame i would take on would pretty much negate any positive effects hard drugs would have.

[@ericshayer]

Thank you so much for this podcast séries, in which I finally found a good track to follow over my astrology learning path. There was a while I was looking for that, but couldn’t find in modern astrology books or on internet.

[@rezartsy]

I’ve got 4 planets in the 12h and 4 planets in the 6h, Pluto in the 5h and mars in 1h with NN in 8/9h cusp. I can confirm the mental and physical suffering. Despite seeing that I’ve gone through worse things than others (and at times being absolute hell), I still don’t think my life is doom and gloom like they’re implying. Everyone suffers, some have the capacity to make sense of it better than others, and some have no choice but to make sense of it. Buddhism has helped tremendously with this. The isolation from covid was a blessing for me, it gave me the time and space to contemplate and as a result have redirected my life. I moved to a different country (self exile?) and it has been one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. I’ve learned that solitude is a gem in my life, and I don’t mind being by myself at all. If anything, I thrive in it. ♊️☀️♐️🌕♋️⬆️

[@tiadoran]

This was fascinating! It took me two days to get through both parts because I often had to stop and reflect. The ruler of my 11th house is in my 12th and the ruler of my 12th is in my 11th. I have several planets in both including the planetary joys in the 11th and 12th houses. Pretty nervous about what this all means but I appreciate that you aren't sugarcoating anything.

[@DiaNunez]

Oh, Baby! This video is EVERYTHING!! Thank you... Keep them coming!!

[@tinisnottin]

in Vedic astrlogy, the 8th and 12th (two of the Moksha/water houses)has association with sex and bed pleasure from the ancient time. Also, Moksha(4,8,12 houses) means spiritual liberation-Nirvana, all 3 houses has the aspect of privacy. "no mud, no lotus" the pristine lotus(illuminous mind) blossomed from the dirtiest mud(suffering as the nutrient liberated mind or citta). The pain is the great teacher(guru) of showing you what needs to be let go to be free. Moksha has the elements of renounciation, isolation and dissolving. The dissolving of ego grasping of all phenomena: mentality(mana) and materiality(rupa). The 11th house is the final house of Kama(Desire), great hopes and wishes are completed here. 12th is that final layer of letting go. 9/12th house relationship, can also be understand as jupiter's double side (Interior(pisces)/exterior(sag), in vedic astrology, Jupiter rules both 9th and 12th house, outer planets some vedic astrologer incorporate them, even if they use them, they don't have rulership to signs), 12th is the oneness, union, shunyata of spirituality, 9th is the vehcles of spirituality=religion(christianity, buddhism, muslim, Jewdaism and etc.). well said, 12th is the 4th from 9th house, the deep complative/private practice fuels the walking the divine in society. The bliss, happiness and foundation to the 9th house. P.S. speaking of teacher, Guru is teacher, master of wisdom and deep knowing, not intelligence through caculation and analysis(Budha - Mercury). Guru is planet Jupiter in Sankrit. 12, 6, 8 are dusthana houses(houses) deals losses and obstacles. if one of the good side of 12th has is that it holds significant meaning in pursueing spirituality. 12th house has elements of astro plane, divine guidance, sleep, solitary confiment, prison and etc. of course, the result is manifest through aspect, conjunction planets, what's the sign there.

[@HH-wk6zg]

Thank You for your explanation. My Moon in gemini in the 9th has vide square to Sun and Mercury in virgo in the 12th. Jupiter is also there closest to ac. Moon then videly trines Saturn in the 1st, and Mars has its only aspect to Moon, quincunx near 0°. Mars shares 2nd house with Pluto. Spirituality is my main goal. Nort node in leo in the 11th. Bests 💖🧡💛💚💙💜🖤

[@mrsleelee1977]

thank you! This 2 part series has helped me cement the foundational knowledge of the houses

[@sheena11puckett]

Amazing how much I have learned in a short amount of time. So thankful for a FB page that showed me you guys 💜

[@inthetearoom]

Take a drink every time Kelly says 'yeah, yep,yes' and just agrees with Austin. This applies to the other video as well

[@omaral-bawab7122]

It’s really annoying

[@NetiNeti25920]

Probably the most irritating guest on the podcast, ever. She contributed nothing except generic information that's known to anyone dabbling in astrology for a while. Yet all the while interjecting with her mmhmms and yes. She never allows anyone to complete their train of thought. Constant interruption and dragging the conversation onto herself. Definitely loves the sound of her own voice. Austin and Chris have patience of saints. She should NEVER be a guest on any podcast, let alone the most famous and prestigious one as Chris Brennan's.

[@shawnabennett8882]

You guys! This video is not only generous but really helpful! Thank you 😊

[@johngerletti5089]

Amazing show 👌. Wonderful, I feel your opinions/examples mold well around the facts. I'm hooked!

[@Charlotte-yz8ps]

These video's are fantastic! Thank you for sharing

[@n2thefuture563]

Pets in the 6th -- animals are considered by many to be good for your health. Service animals come to mind. Also, large animals -- cattle, horses sheep, goats, many people find their lifestyles improve with the addition of all kinds of animals. And, yes, large animals can certainly be dangerous. I have 3 planets and a node in the 12th. I'm not sure how to react to your indications that it is a house of sorrow. I figured it was why I was psychic. Could be wrong, tho .... As I cannot think of any enemies I have ... alive, ... self undoing is probably it. That rings about right. :) ' Thank you for all the work you do. Very enjoyable.

[@rarecoral212]

I love these podcasts.. enjoying a cup of tea sitting on my couch covered with blanket while listening 🥰🙃

[@lauraarbuckle6119]

I listen to this over and over. Thankyou

[@rachelwyatt9529]

I hope Saturn in the 8th means I’m aging like a fine wine

[@waasaydaniyal4100]

Saturn in 7th, 8th or 11th certainly means longevity or long fulfilling life - so of course, you are!

[@Natalia_Belenkaya]

Yay, 11th got in! Even if it's in Cancer )

[@mlala1814]

Does your Saturn have essential dignity?

[@Laffingbooda777]

Rachel Wyatt ...depends on what other planets aspects to it and the sign it is in...if a water sign like Cancer or Pisces (sign of wine lol) Then your statement is probably true.....also Chinese Astrology and good Feng Shiu cures in corrrect places in your house and office will help alot...... !!! Amen... Namaste ... Hallelujah ...!!!

[@rachelwyatt9529]

John Eng Taurus

[@stephenzelahy7525]

As much as i have going on in my 12th in relation to animal signification i would look towards spirit animals. Check it... When you were a kid, did it seem odd that you had this favorite animal or that you got surrounded almost by certain things given to you by others with animals on it? I find those are specific to each person almost as a totem and maybe even spending past lives as animals and their etherial energy is still connected with your spirit.

[@mikeblanton7198]

I got sun, venus, and chiron in 12th taurus. I got kicked by a horse once but I have a connection with animals can make friends with any k9

[@junemoon8675]

Thank you guys so much 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 this was so helpful and really brilliant, had so many aha moments.

[@Mr0rafael]

It's reeeealy helpful for me those videos, I keep watching again and again, thank you guys!

[@JustinPlunkett7]

Thanks so much for all this info! Surprised to not hear much discussion on karma and past life karmic residue in the 12th house, I've heard quite a few astrologers speak on this topic. I consider 12th house to be related into multidimensional living/effects from other realms. I can see why that could also be understood as 'bad spirit'..but if it can be viewed as a gift, someone can turn into a powerful medium/intuitive/artist/healer/etc taking that multidimensional pain and turning it into something beautiful. Furthermore if someone's Sun is in the 12th house too there's some light in the darkness, right? I appreciated the perspective on solitude in 12th house too. Since sunrise is a time of day related to 12th house, I find if I spend that time of day in solitude I am set up and ready to be the best version of myself for the rest of the day when I am encountering other people. & I would guess that maybe the reason why larger animals are in 12th house is because they could be considered as more multi-dimensional than smaller creatures? Not to say that I don't believe smaller animals are multidimensional beings as well, but maybe throughout history they considered larger animals to have larger meaning in that way. Again - thanks for this series!!

[@nicolinamaio]

I strongly agree and have done a lot of research on the 12th house & differing interpretations and descriptions. I have my sun mercury and Venus in the 12th so I have always been intrigued by it & its ambiguity at times. This is the first time I have heard it described as "bad spirit" , it did always remind me of the space in between life and death, therefore a bit paranormal & misunderstood--however, many other interpretations mentioned the intense creativity, hidden talents, and life transformative aspects of this house that were a bit more positive and resonated strongly with me. I think, as with anything, darkness and pain are absolutely necessary in order to appreciate the lighter times in life & more importantly they're vital in growth and expansion -- this is why I often hear astrologers describe placements in the 12th house as being very positive later in life, making someone much more advanced in certain areas that planet pertains to. Not sure why I've responded such a long comment but I am very passionate about the 12th house so I thought i'd chime in!

[@janellc900]

@@nicolinamaio hmm. Do you have any input about Lillith in relation to the 12th house (Libra 12th, north node)?

[@HH-wk6zg]

After years of self caused (my own worst enemy) suffering, I cleansed emotional burdens (shadow work) and now I am free. Sun, Mercury and Jupiter in the 12th. Funnily my lifepath number is 19/1 (karmic dept number) and NN in leo in the 11th. I need and yearn solitude, but Im never alone. Peace, love, gratitude and happines to all 💖🧡💛💚💙🖤

[@gablegable321]

Thank you Astrology Podcast to the well of knowledge you always seem to provide to the viewers. Your insightful and educational contributions make these, sometimes very complex topics, more comprehensible for everyone, beginners, and experts. I am beginning to have such love and respect for astrology, I just wanted to contribute to the discussion, and geek out. I thought it was very interesting how the ancient astrologers were trying to find the proper house to categorically place the "death" theme between the 7th and 8th house. We know that these houses are divided up in triads, so it made me think, can this "death" be technically a theme between the angular triad of the 6th, 7th, and 8th house? Maybe death can be placed in all of these houses, but just expressed at different stages. 6th is the contraction of illness. The 6th house is below the horizon in the night sector, therefore the contraction of illness starts with our physical body. Like you all had discussed in the previous video, it completely makes sense why Mars would find its planetary joy here, its the beginning/early stages of a life and death situation, and at this stage it is completely physical. Mars would provide the drive, aggression, and passion to want to save your own life, before it is too late. 7th is the "dying" phase, the horizon, where we begin to consider the spiritual implications of our own lives, a limbo between whether or not our spirit or body wants to hang on or let go. Also considering the 7th house is opposition from the 1st house, another sense of "ego death" may reside here, the idea of sacrificing bits and parts of ourselves, and our ego for the sake of our relationships. 8th house of course has the more literal sense of death, and the cessation of all sensation. It is above the horizon in the daytime sector, where our spirit is not longer connected to our bodies. Again, thank you for the beautiful contributions you all make to the Astrology community.

[@OperationBluto]

All this talk about harmony and symmetry motivates me to make music. Thanks again

[@treasurelu]

I love the way you find the meaning of the houses in relation to each other!

[@Laffingbooda777]

Chris looks like an Egyptian high priest...lol...at least what I have seen in movies and books......lol

[@wefreethinkers390]

Sun, Moon, Mercury 12th house Leo. Rising Leo. Studied western astrology for 25+ yrs. Never could reconcile the descriptions of Leo needing to be the center of attention. So totally the opposite for me, though I will attract attention without intention. It all made sense to me after reading “Your Secret Self” Illumination the Mysteries of the Twelfth House “ by Tracy Marks. What lights up my life is being of service to others, it’s like second nature. I typically see, and feel the gifts of others and what holds them back from reaching their potential. I can shine the light on this for others that are open. Another attribute that I would apply to the 12th house is irony :0)

[@beatceps342]

Sun, Mercury, Venus, Rahu, Chiron 12th house Libra. Thank you for the recommendation 🙂

[@anm2945]

Love 8th house topic explained in truth... Thanks for this in depth houses teaching. Wonderful! 🏆

[@kristinat8298]

Thank you for this! I have the Pisces ♓️ in : Rising, Sun, Venus and Mercury with a Scorpio moon and there's never been a dull moment!

[@LordOfTheWhores]

Very informative, my 10th has a lot a going on (Saturn/Uranus Rx in Sagittarius) and I can't figure out what I'm doing also my Moon in the 12th makes me even more unsure.

[@junemoon8675]

*3 planets in 12 house experience* 💥immigration from early age on (1st in 12th) 💥suffering with mental health as a consequence (1st in 12th) 💥family lost all financial assets and immigrate as a consequence (2d in 12th) 💥started life with poor financial condition and debt (2d in 12th) 💥falling out with one of my siblings (3d in 12th) placidus only 💥” Writing cave” mentioned by kelly: yes writing for and by my own to support myself mentally in another language not known by potential readers in my surrounding- but not publishing (3d in 12th) placidus only

[@ashantithevocalist]

I have 4 including my sun, hang in there.

[@junemoon8675]

ashantithevocalist uh ok.... in which house falls your Leo?

[@rubysarahaynes]

This is very informative and entertaining. Thank you!

[@jodiearrington]

This was a fabulous serious. Thank you guys! Just fabulous!

[@Natalia_Belenkaya]

Apparently, 10th house can be a great rectification tool - I wasn't sure about the ex partner's birth time, but he was supposed to have Capricorn rising. And as I realize that he actually worked as a blacksmith for a period of time, and is doing some kind of artistic and applied metalwork, including welding etc, for most of his life - his Mars in Libra dwells in the 10th sure enough! Ruled by Venus from the 8th (all of his income comes from individual clients' money, if that's relevant)

[@SpaceTrashQueen]

Y'all, Austin's dead state at the camera has me cracking up at the beginning of the video.

[@SpaceTrashQueen]

No, and then his eyebrows. Omg so cheeky. 😂

[@_tacins_]

I was slightly aroused 😆

[@nathalyapendock5282]

Hahaha I was halfway into it and I went back to the beginning 😂🤣💀

[@maureenbyrne8951]

Thank you Chris, Kelly and Austin, so informative and many light bulb moments! ❤❤❤

[@nademaksimova5489]

Amazing content! Thankful for your work!

[@malinirajendran2355]

I've spent a lifetime being told that the planets in the 12 house indicates the next life one is likely to endure. It is believed that people who have ketu in the 12th house will not have next life and it is considered the indication of moksha.

[@rg6712]

Amazing content, however I have to add you have missed one of the most important significations of 8th and 12th houses, which is trauma. People with proeminent placements in them usually go through violence directed towards them, rape, assault, abuse of every kind.. It's a huge signification that often gets overlooked in traditional astrology. That's where all of the psychological problems come from when we talk about these houses :)

[@Wholeplantfoods_Lucie]

These two videos are totally amazing. The expertise amongst the three of you is really impressive 🙏🙏🙏

[@Wholeplantfoods_Lucie]

Also, I have 7 planets in the 8th house

[@tammyhoar1569]

great video - thorough and illuminating, thank you!

[@torib796]

Watching this in 2021 is WILD! Every time Austin coughs, I flinch haha! I'm looking forward to the days when you guys can make more of these in person, it is very lovely to see you together. Also the debate about sex in the 8H at the end was very refreshing because both of you are able to point to helpful lines of reasoning and it allows for people to think about things in a new way and understand things better

[@adamlickley8623]

Firstly, thank you very much, all three of you, for providing such a comprehensive overview of the 12 houses. It was beautifully articulated, well organized and professionally presented. There are one or two things I would like to add. Firstly, it really saddens me when astrologers always approach the 12th house from such a doom and gloom perspective. This brings up two issues immediately. The first is that nothing is so black and white in life,, and that includes astrology; it is merely a guide; a road map if you will. For this reason, I think astrologers should try to redefine the 12th house from a modern perspective. Admittedly, helpful uses of the 12th were alluded to; however, having been rather deflated by most of the interpretations of this house, I felt I needed to look further into potential benefits of the 12th, just in case any other viewers should take away the depressing 12th house interpretation. I have an exact Jupiter/Uranus conjunction at 3 degrees libra in the 12th. Yes, I have periods in isolation ( self created due to work), and have been living in unusual foreign lands ( in exile if you will but not in exile as it was by choice), but which has enabled me to transform my life for the better ( financially and emotionally). Are you also aware that Jupiter here can indicate beneficial karma? I have had huge amounts of unexpected luck, seemingly coming out of the blue, throughout my life; rewards that I have not earned. I was recently given an unexpected year long paid holiday from work so decided to travel the world. This is an example of Jupiter/Uranus conjunction, the 'thank the lord' aspect, according to Sue Tompkins. But it is hidden in my 12th house, unseen but conjunct my ascendant, within 5 degrees. I say this, to highlight the fact that the 12th house can generate very positive karma, as well as negative, just as all the houses have positive and negative effects. For example - imagine the 'so called' lucky 5th house 'party goer'. He or she is popular, excessive, indulging in all the fun things that life has to offer but as a result of excess, ends up being sick (6th house). So you see, things are a little less black and white than they are sometimes painted. And, the manifestations of the planets in the houses have so much to do with the consciousness of the person to whom it refers. So, a one size fits all approach should be avoided. That being said, I thoroughly enjoyed the podcast and appreciate the time and energy that went into the show. Many thanks to you all.

[@janellc900]

Excellent point. You also articulated it beautifully and with respect. 🙏

[@HH-wk6zg]

Lovely to read about Jupiter in the 12th. Thank You🧡 I have Sun, Mercury and Jupiter (conjuncted with 2 asteroids) there in Virgo. I use placidus, and Saturn in virgo is in the 1st. It seems Im balancing with Sat. & Jup. energy although neither of them is too close to my ac. Wether its Neptune currently boosting my J. by opposing it, but last years (I link this with transiting Nept. opposing virgo placements) I have got happier and happier, and basicly found, accepted and began to love (myself first, but it expands to whole naturally) unconditionally. So I link the process with spiritual living close to nature with plenty of solitude. It has been the calling of Neptune and spiritual service that is more essential in my life than external efforts for fame and fortune. I feel blessed and I live in gratitude. My profession is in the field of arts, but it has been for means to understand humanity and therefore its a tool for my growth. With Saturn in my first, I pretty much see myself as my greatest piece of art under process. I wish all the best to all, and hopefully all keep in their minds that astrology is merely a tool, not something that dictates your destiny 🎏

[@mayraipalomares89]

Interesting I have a cancer Jupiter(12th) Capricorn Uranus (6th) opposition to the exact degree Uranus is conjunct my sun and moon. I have yet to seek foreign isolation but I do tend to isolate myself from people often.

[@alebalessa77]

It is not pessimistic, it is simply real, and "reality" is not perfect, it is not as we would like it to be, as you say the birth chart is a "map" that reflects life, that is why it includes everything, so simply each house reflects that through different basic functions. The 12, 8 and 6 are traditionally malefic houses, it is their essence, BUT the conjugation of various elements such as: the signs, planets, dignities, and aspects, will clearly qualify and translate the effects of in each person in a particular way and will not always result in negativity or misfortune. It is possible that your experience comes from other aspects, a conjunction at 5 degrees from the ascendant, I imagine for whole houses one is already included in one house, probably the experiences and overcoming of luminary people in the 12 are clearly different.

[@danielleking6056]

Thank you so much for publishing this information! I've been studying astrology for several years, but Uranus is currently squaring my mercury in the first and, thanks to this and episode 1, I learned this is my Venus profection year and tr. Venus was in my 11th exactly sextile my sun in the first. Plus, I now understand Venus rules my 10th, but my MC is in my 9th. Mind blown and eyes opened!!! Thank you!!

[@ammaradiaga09]

Hi Chris, Kelly & Austin, what a great podcast this is, I have learned so much and the in deep discussions are ever so helpful. I found it so interesting when the discussion towards the end about the significations 5H children. Fascinating, in my particular case Jupiter in Pisces 5H - yet I have no children nor the desire to have them. Just goes to show the complexity of Astrology, there isn't the just "this is the signification" there is so much more to take into consideration. Anyways, many thanks for sharing your knowledge! Xx

[@shintanji]

I'm still mulling over my position on sex as a part of the 8th, because as obvious as the symbolism is for the 5th and 7th, you have to account for experiences of sex that AREN'T pleasurable. It's an uncomfortable topic (insert trigger warning), as are all topics in the 8th, but there are many situations in human interaction where sex is used for control, emotional manipulation, or assertion of power, to essentially subvert the other person into the position of an object - ie. 8th representing other peoples things. Now I don't think 8th house sex is always so overtly traumatic, but it isn't comfortable or pleasurable. It's the feeling of being used by someone else. Great discussion, very informative and engaging!

[@mathildedlihtam382]

Malefic transits and planet placements through the 5th and 7th, as well as relations to the 6th or 12th houses, can easily and more readily indicate sexual trauma, displeasure, etc.

[@turtlebug8699]

I have 5 placements in the 8th House of libra Mercury, Venus, sun, Saturn, Pluto Gemini - moon 4th house / Capricorn - rising everybody always comes to me with their problems,. I am definitely a gift giver for loved ones. I have Uranus and Mars in the 10th House of Sagittarius

[@cosmichealth3907]

Thats your karma this life...specially in terms of tramatic relationships

[@annamariajanssens3225]

Fantastic!!, thank you all🙏❤️

[@GenXAbovetruth]

This lady is a very aggressive speaker🙃! I applaud you, for holding it together! Love all of y’all!❤

[@NetiNeti25920]

Probably the most irritating guest on the podcast, ever. She contributed nothing except generic information that's known to anyone dabbling in astrology for a while. Yet all the while interjecting with her mmhmms and yes. She never allows anyone to complete their train of thought. Constant interruption and dragging the conversation onto herself. Definitely loves the sound of her own voice. Austin and Chris have patience of saints. She should NEVER be a guest on any podcast, let alone the most famous and prestigious one as Chris Brennan's.

[@markc5123]

Cancer Sun and mars in the 12th house. With cancer rising. I am an only adopted child and I attract a lot of relationships with those with deep depression / numbing habits. I thrive being alone but feel collectively connected / enlightened in crowds. Also can represent public and overseas. The time when everyone is commuting. I grew up with horses! Kicked off one too. Hah

[@erisincarnate]

My bf has sun and mars in 12th house cancer. He also has alcohol issues and becomes like jekyll and hyde when he drinks.

[@npe_g]

12th house: the moon rules my 4th and is in my 12th - i immigrated to switzerland and don't really plan to return to england to live, ever...

[@sarahmem444]

Omg Austin!! I have sun and mars in the 9H as well, in cancer, and so my 10H ruler is in the 9H!! I am years deep into my astrological and spiritual studies and journey. Wow!! I haven't yet heard the interpretation that astrologers often have 9H/10H connections but I love it! So true!!

[@taylorburch3739]

i love the way austin just stares right at the camera until he speaks his first words. very endearing :)