Is the Trinity taught in the Bible and why does it matter?

[@miken8820]

Rob, you know what makes me happy? To see your views and likes going up to like 3.7, etc. I love it.

[@TalkingOutOfSchool]

For someone who had an evil earthly father, it was beyond difficult to imagine how my “Father in heaven” could really love me, because I was taught the Father sends another person - another spirit - to deal with me in His stead. What earthly father even asks his neighbor to go and hug his child, and says “tell them for me that I love them, and am with them?” Why doesn't my own father, from my own household, tell me himself? When I finally grasped the total impossibility that Our Father's love can be coldly outsourced to another, was when my eyes were opened to see that my own Father was indeed hands on teaching and touching me through His Spirit the whole time. He gave me these verses for you: (Eph 4:4) *There is one body, and one Spirit,* ... (Eph 4:6) *One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.* (Matt 10:20) For it is not ye that speak, but *the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.* (John 17:20) Neither pray I for these alone, *but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;* (John 17:21) That *they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:* ...

[@pierrelabounty9917]

Well put , I

[@pierrelabounty9917]

I think I have had a problem there, not as much now. Besides, I thought being free was without understanding and God's love in my heart, for lack of knowledge, lacked an understanding of true authority, the true authority about life and the creater of life, and life eternal. It lacked depth. Our Heavenly and our ever present Father, King Of The Universe, and universes.

[@jayceejm]

It started to occur to me that the Holy Spirit was not a third member of the God Head simply because there's no name given. Yahweh has several names, Jesus has several names, but the Holy Spirit was like saying "Hello Daughter, hello Mother" Its just a noun not a name. And there began my search. This is the first thing that Solberg has gotten very wrong and for someone who is usually so insightful and clear I am a tad disappointed in this teaching. but thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

John 1:29 His only mission was to die John 1:29 Nothing elso Him and John were the first 2 to have the spirit of God explaing the promise for us to have the spirit after his departure acts 1:4

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

@Michael avila

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Mark 3:28-29 (ESV): 28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”-

[@mattjohnson9753]

In the Old Testament God manifested himself on Earth as a talking burning plant. Why is it so hard to believe that God the Creator could choose to manifest himself in human flesh if He so willed?

[@schellycraft4290]

The comment section is going to be rough on this one too :))

[@quesostuff1009]

I always equated the trinity to higher dimensional shapes As much as 2D/3D shapes makes sense and we can even visualize it Ask me to draw a 4D cube , and even though I know it exists , I can barely understand how that even can be visually represented I also try to not use analogies to describe the trinity as typically one of those heresy will creep up (think of Modelism Patrick) The idea that a transcended creator that is beyond space and time can interact with its finite creations is a funky one. But at least the concept of God’s multi personhood goes all the way back to good ole Genesis, so I just see the trinity as a theological evolution on those breadcrumbs found in OT

[@ShaulTzuar]

Finally something we agree on!!! There is clear evidence that the trinity is three in one from scripture! There is extra biblical evidence from Jewish sources that many sages even believed that GOD was a plural unity.

[@PUSH2Tim]

Thank you for your time in explaining this Rob. You articulate this truth very well!♥️♥️♥️

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Only God is to be worshipped ? Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) . Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;” . Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites. . Genesis 33:3 He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau]. . Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground. . Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’

[@Jamesjacob339]

Trinity is biblical...... but it is very hard for some people to understand....... Trinitarian Christians are not misrepresenting anything

[@glorialoo3165]

@@Jamesjacob339 There are 18 verses in the OT and 10 in the NT that allude to BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD. In praying to his Father Jesus even said “And this is life eternal” that they might know you are the only true (omnipotent) God AND Jesus Christ whom YOU have sent John 17:3. James do you know the NT was put together by the Catholic Church from the manuscripts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul who changed the truth of God into a lie and love and serve the created more than the Creator who is blessed forever. The CC is the Beast out of the Sea who persecuted the saints for centuries burning many at the stake for not believing in their demonic Trinity. Show me one verse, beside “and these are one” which has been proved to be later added to the Bible. There are tons of verses that were added. One such verse is John 10:30 I and my father are one. Jesus never even spoke these words and the proof is John 10:36. “Say ye of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world thou blasphemest BECAUSE I SAID “I am the son of God”. Even at his trial the Jews never accused Jesus of making himself God, they accused him of making himself “the son of God” John 19:7

[@onlinemoney8933]

Wow what a beautiful explanation, God bless you ,and your ministry my brother,🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you! Blessings, Rob

[@TLR5759]

Thank you! We needed this!

[@interpretingscripture8068]

Interesting history!! Great insights brother! :)

[@joshuamelton9148]

Very informative video about the Trinity. There are plenty of people who would create strawman of what Christians believe about the trinue nature of God. I was listening to Dr Michael Heiser video and he mentioned about the Angel of the LORD being Yahweh. There were 2 passage of scripture that he used talking about the Angel of the LORD Genesis 31:11-13 "11Then the angel of God said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob,’ and I said, ‘Here I am!’ 12And he said, ‘Lift up your eyes and see, all the goats that mate with the flock are striped, spotted, and mottled, for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. 13I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and made a vow to me. Now arise, go out from this land and return to the land of your kindred" The Angel of God told Jacob that He was the God of Bethel. The second verse of scripture is found in Genesis 48:15-16 when Israel was giving to blessings over the sons of Joseph which state: 15And he blessed Joseph and said, “The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, 16 the Angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.”

[@ChrisTian-tz3eq]

... True.. there's even many more clues of that too! ... Notice Judges 2 : 1 - the "Angel Of The Covenant"... and Malachi 3 : 1 - "Behold, I will send My Messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and The Lord Whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even The Messenger/ Angel Of The Covenant, Whom ye delight in: Behold, He shall come saith YHWH of Hosts." Joshua 5 : 13 - 15 - Who is This "Captain of YHWH's Host" that Joshua called his "Lord", and took his shoes off for, and bowed down to? ( Rashi of Judaism believes it to be "Michael" ) Exodus 3 - And Who also is This "Angel Of YHWH" who appeared to Moses in the burning bush, in which Moses also had to remove his shoes on holy ground for?... In which His Name & Memorial is "I AM" 4-ever?... ( in which the Pharisees wanted to stone Him ( Jesus ) for in John 8 : 58 ? ) 1 Samuel 3 : 21 - "And YHWH appeared again in Shiloh: for YHWH revealed Himself to Samuel in Shiloh BY "THE WORD" OF YHWH" ... Just to name a few.

[@daviddilworth1942]

Jesus Testifies the "Father...is the only true God " John 17:1-3. I recommend the book, "Jesus Testifies Against The Trinity Doctrine ". Jesus also states, "My Father is greater than I" John 14:28. "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is God ". According to Scripture, God is the Father alone.

[@daviddilworth1942]

Mark 10:18 is "Why do you call Me good? No One is good but One, that is God "

[@solitairecat1]

The anti-Christ denies Father and son, which is what the Trinity does in making them one being.

[@solitairecat1]

"I saw no temple in it because Yahweh God of Armies is its temple and the Lamb." Rev 21:22

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Matthew 3:16-17 (ESV): 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

[@glorialoo3165]

Deut.10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, mighty and terrible, which regards not persons, nor take rewards (bribes). Hear, O Israel, the LORD your God is ONE Lord. Deut. 6:4, Mark 12:29.

[@josetrevino6674]

Hebrews 10:26-31 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said , Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[@PUSH2Tim]

I LOVE that last bit about the Father giving all authority to the Son and the Son only doing what He see the Father doing and the Spirit not seeking His own glory but revealing to us the revelation of who God is (i know I didn’t say that last bit right) …it would make a great short clip!♥️♥️♥️Shalom

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

He who overcomes, I (Jesus) will make him a pillar in the temple of ((My God)) and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of (My God) and the name of the city of (My God) the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from (My God). And I will write on him My new name. Revelation 3:12

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@Christopher Geer really? the monotheistic god who you traded for the catholic trinity god???

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@Christopher Geer you are lying to claim that you worship the god of the jews. no jew ever worshiped a trinity and Enoch never wrote about one. the trinity originated in Babylonian sun worship. Same with sunday worship, easter and xmass. your satanic catholic church voted to make their god a trinity at 325ad. so do tell me how god uses human sacrifice to atone for sin and how you no longer have to keep the law

[@paultkalec7022]

The trinity concept is mimicked in our lives - body, soul and spirit. If we view the Holy Trinity as one God, the same way we view anything that is made of components - such as a building, a car, etc - then it’s not difficult to understand.

[@Dylan-wn7dm]

This was a great video 👍

[@ashersian2563]

You got this right brother Soberg.

[@joshkaye5303]

Understanding the Trinity correctly is understanding the Hierarchy correctly also. Too often people blur the lines between Father, Son and Spirit and pray to each interchangeably without regard to protocol as though they were all one and the same. Is that what scripture teaches? The protocol as far as I can see it is to pray to the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@gaylechristensen6285]

I believe you are correct.

[@paulvandergriff4209]

That seems like a non trinitarian point of view. So the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not equal?

[@carter3679]

Isaiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.” In the context God is the one speaking here. My favorite trinitarian verse in the OT

[@sundownsam3369]

Without me denying the compound unity within God's nature or the one God, this verse you just mentioned does not appear to be insinuating equality, but more of a mission. I will look at the original language to see how it is said.

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

Carter, sorry but you are wrong. There is no trinity. The idea of a trinity comes from the apostate church not the Bible.

[@carter3679]

@@sundownsam3369 I understand what you’re saying and I would say this: Christ’s equality with the Father and the fact that He was sent on a mission do not need to be mutually exclusive. Here is some scripture to help: Matthew 10:40, Mark 9:37, Luke 9:48, John 13:20; 20:21. If I go do a favor for a brother, that doesn’t necessarily subordinate me to him. I remain his equal, it’s just that as his brother I am willing to do that favor or ‘mission’ for him

[@carter3679]

@@exposingfakechristianity5556 What would your interpretation of this passage be then? The tri-unity of God seems like the only reasonable explanation to me. Thanks for being polite

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@@carter3679 ,....Its not the interpretation of this passage but of the whole Bible that we need to look at/understand. The Bible does not teach a trinity, the apostate church does. The Bible teaches that God is seven spirits and not three. This is why the Menorah has seven lamps that represent the seven spirits of God and not three lamps. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." If we search the Bible we will find that there are seven different entities/spirits mentioned that have interacted with mankind. The seven spirits of God are,..... 1, God 2, Jesus 3, The Holy Spirit 4, The Bible, (the two witnesses) 5, Lucifer 6, Michael, 7, Gabriel These are all God/Jesus. They all have played a role in accomplishing Gods will for mankind. The church is apostate and has taught everyone wrongly, and falsely. The apostate church for example has indoctrinated everyone to believe that Lucifer is satan, when Lucifer is clearly and absolutely Jesus. The church knows nothing about the truth of Gods word and is 100% apostate from God and Biblical truth just as the jews were.

[@Dylan-wn7dm]

Amen and Amen, Hey brother, at 3:51, you're reading colossians, I think, right? On the screen, it says john, just letting you know

[@orangemanbad]

I’ve always struggled with Jesus’ divinity. I have purchased your book and I hope it helps.

[@Jaryism]

Same I’m excited to read it

[@avrahamisaacs2593]

Won’t help but it might further your doubts due to fantastic explanations that make no sense.

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

Bible never says 3 Jesus only had the spirit of God & fear of the Lord Isa.11:2

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

Nobody explains the trinity the same because its not biblical!

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

Because its catholic!!

[@JonathanGrandt]

Good and clear teaching. I have always been a little on the fence in regard to The Trinity and end up in a more Binitarian position… but I am open to listening and learning.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Have you ever heard of Biblical Unitarians?

[@Messianicfollower]

Very well explaining the Trinity

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you, donjuan! R.

[@gaylechristensen6285]

Very thought provoking video indeed.❤

[@brentjacobs3264]

Dr Michael S Heiser does a very good teaching on the Trinity in the Old Test I highly recommend you watch it, it's actually called Two Powers of the God head. His Scholary work is fantastic as he takes you through all of it from Genesis through the TaNaK. Blessings Brent.

[@chapo148]

The godhead is a human myth. Two powers ? So there is no third ? Is God a single, dual or triune entity according to what Jesus revealed who the father is ? Remember Jesus said who has seen me has seen the father.

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness the spirit is the power of God Jesus inherited. Never has there been a triune god until the romans came. I agree with you What I strongly oppose is the flag in your profile. David never had a star symbol and the only religious symbol Yahweh gave the Israelites i.e. the 12 tribes of Jacob is the menora. That symbol is in the tora, not a fake star. God bless

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness according to both bible and torah semites were people speaking the semite language. Thwy were not a ethnic group. In fact it is written in the first chapters of Genesis, not all tribes of Jacob spoke semite language so many of them weren't semites. I am a bible abiding believer, I don't go by human books. So if you call me names so be it. God bless

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness in addition, God gave a people the tora on mount horeb, not an ethnic group. Honestly, I wish and pray people would turn back to basic faith as per their religious book

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness so you are setting a trap to christians ? See how ignorant you are for your own teachings in torah after I mentioned how in Genesis God defined Semites.

[@orangemanbad]

This is without question the most coherent and best put together, from scripture, evidence for a historic trinity. From a confused Christian who fell away.

[@mf4674]

The ultimate red line in Christianity is The Trinity. If you reject The Trinity, you are not Christian at all. If you do not have The Right God, you do not have The Right Jesus and you do not have The Right Gospel. The Trinity is so Beautiful. Glory to our Beautiful Triune God !!!

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

I agree. I'm not a Christian, Sunday Christianity teaches the opposite of what the bible teaches, There is only ONE body from cover to cover ISRAEL...... Jesus only came for the lost house of Israel, New C, is ONLY for Israel and were not in it yet. Jeremiah 31:31-34. Go read it..... Gentiles=Unsaved. When we come to faith were no longer of the world. (Gentiles-Heathen-Goy) and we're grafted into Israel Romans 11. Dispensational theology is one of Satans greatest masterpieces....By the way Jews only make up 1-2 Tribes out of 12..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4OvY5uQiNV-e6c

[@indo3052]

This is bad behavior. To say all unitarians are not saved because they don’t believe its god in flesh are goung to hell? Thats horrible behavior

[@mf4674]

@@indo3052 where I said « Unitarians are not saved » in the message ? It is not a person who decide who will be saved or not. The only thing I said is if you have the wrong Jesus you have the wrong Gospel. Muslims say Jesus is the Messiah but we know we do not have the same Jesus.

[@indo3052]

@@mf4674 ok. Well majority of trinitarians says u arent saved if u dont believe thats god in flesh

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Ephesians 1:17 I keep asking that the God (((of)))our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. Romans 15:6 …so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father (((of)))our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort… Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ! The above verses are very clear. Jesus Christ has a God. Who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ? Ephesians 1:17 very clearly says that this God is our glorious Father. Jesus Christ himself called our Father his “God” and Father many different times in Scripture.

[@Gospelogian]

Interesting discussion! I approach this topic from a different angle - would love to get your thoughts.

[@chenielchic7410]

very well said brother. i learnt a lot from this video.

[@yeni_daughterOfGod]

If you believe in something thats a “mystery” then its not in the bible. God is not a God of confusion.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Yenisen. I'm not quite following you. Are you suggesting that humans can understand literally everything about God? ~Rob

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@@TheBiblicalRoots God doesn't need to be born from a woman, God can't die, be tempted with sin, God doesn't pray to another god...... Jesus was a human.... Lets look into the words for deity and divinity. Lets find out if Yeshua and even us believers are divine? And finally lets find out if being divine makes you God.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmSmnJKupJ6Vr7c

[@hebrewquotes3148]

This is by far one of the best video on the Godhead ! The evidence is actually overflowing and still some if not most , will not accept it. I guess they will have to wait till they get to Heaven to see if its true!

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

HQ,....There is no trinity. That is a false manmade CONcept.

[@hebrewquotes3148]

@@exposingfakechristianity5556 Read the Bible and see for yourself. Don't his or mine words for it. Allow God to completely make you understand.

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@@hebrewquotes3148 ,....I am very familiar with the word of God, I have been studying it for 35 years. There is no trinity in the Bible. The Bible clearly tells us God is seven spirits and not three. This is why the Menorah has seven lamps and not three. Everything the church teaches and believes is wrong. If the church thinks there is a trinity, that should instantly tell you it is a false teaching. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

[@sundownsam3369]

​@@exposingfakechristianity5556 Even though the Shema implies the compound unity of the one God, which Jews understand but refuse to admit, your 35 years are meaningless; the Spirit of God is the one who teaches.

[@nothingbutthetruth613]

Here's the questions you need to answer. If God is truly this 3 part being (which nobody can really explain), don't you think this is beyond a fundamental thing we need to know? Shouldn't this be the 101 of Judaism? If so, why is it never ever clearly mentioned in the 24000 verses in the ot? I am not talking about these verses he ridiculously tries to quote in this video. None of these verses say anything that is clear and to say they are ambiguous is an extreme understatement. I mean any verse that resembles in any way something like "God is one..in 3 parts". How hard would it have been to say this just once? How is it possible that we are never told about some sort of triune being? Don't you find this at all troubling?

[@mf4674]

Hello Dr Solberg, hope you are doing well. I saw two days ago a message from asking me to contact you in private. Is it an error or a misunderstanding from me ? Lord Jesus Christ bless you

[@justindarnellfpv]

That’s a scam… click on the picture of the person telling you to contact them and see when they joined KZbin and how many subscribers they have… that will tell you it’s not the real person

[@wildrover9650]

I definitely see JESUS and Father GOD as two separate and distinct persons. I wouldn't call my self a trinitarian but it doesn't matter if I understand it or not. I fear GOD and do my best to obey Him.

[@judemichaelvelez6789]

If only we are able to understand nor comprehend Gods nature of being a triune God then we wouldnt need Him. As a finite creature...i humbly submit i will never understand Gods true nature BUT i know He send His Son, Lord Jesus Christ to save us, leaves the Holy Spirit to be our guide and the Father who waits for us on His throne. So i believe in the trinity and that would be enough for my life time. Shalom. Thanks RL

[@johnpratts2856]

I'm a Messianic and this is great news! My congregation believes in the triune God. The word "Trinity" is not really used because it's more of a Catholic thing. But now knowing that Trinity means Tri-Unity, this makes a lot more sense. Thanks, prof!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Baruch HaShem! ~Rob

[@JudeOne3Four]

Trinity means three in unity. Three *what* in unity? 3 gods, period, It doesn't matter how you slice it. The Bible DOES NOT teach polytheism nor mysticism. The God of Israel is 1 Person just like the first man He created in His *own* image and likeness.

[@OLskewL]

Just use "Godhead" then?

[@johnpratts2856]

@@OLskewL Yes or Triune. These work best. Nothing wrong with the word Trinity. But there's a lot of historical baggage in it because of the dark history of Catholics.

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@YahIsOurRighteousness God was speaking with plurality of majesty, God was making an announcement. Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that *He* who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female? See, Jesus corrects your error. Question: How many persons is, He?

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

In matthew 26:39 if Jesus was God why was he looking for a way out or scared to die????

[@carmensiekierke3579]

Victor Paul Wierwille in his " Jesus Is Not God" argues that Jewish Christianity was not trinitarian. But by the fourth century the church was altogether Gentile. Not being well inclined to Jews, the large majority of whom were not Christian, and having been raised from childhood among Greek and Roman polytheists, the Gentile theologians imposed their pagan ideas on the church. In fact, the pagans were not so much polytheists as they were trinitarians. It is common, natural, universal religious doctrine. Buddhism, Hinduism, Stoicism, and the Homeric Greeks all had trinities. Hence, Athanasius and his Gentile supporters foisted trinitarianism unto the original monotheistic Judaic Christianity. The author even gives the name of three Homeric gods: but with no mention of several others, one could hardly suppose he had ever read Homer. Americans may have heard of the Greek gods from A to Z : Ares to Zeus; but Americans cannot probably not rattle off the names of the Hindu deities: Aditi to Vata. But where in all of this is there any hint of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Where are their particular personalities, their mutual relationships, and their activities? The whole New Testament is firmly rooted in the Hebrew Old Testament. Jews were the first Christians. As a matter of fact, long before Christ was born the Jews had difficulty with the idea of a future Messiah. Some rabbis thought the Messiah was to be divine or angelic. More thought of Him as a military leader greater than the Maccabees. Because of a seeming conflict between a suffering Messiah and a triumphant Messiah, some Jews said the Old Testament prophesied two Messiahs. If then the Old Testament puzzled the Jews, it is not surprising that the New Testament, with the historical person of Jesus and the material on the Holy Spirit, confused the Gentiles. However wrong Wierwille may be in his reconstruction of history, no one doubts that the early Christians were confused. The first problem to be solved was the nature of Christ. Nestorius apparently thought that Jesus was that Jesus was two persons inhabiting one body. One person was God, the other was a man. Arius supposed that Christ was an angel whom God had created. Eutyches held that the human nature and the divine nature in Jesus was so blended that he was neither God nor man. Apollinarius was so strong on the deity of Christ that he denied his humanity. Jesus had no human nature, he was simply God in a body. Incidentally, a large number of Christian college students in Christian colleges are Apollinarians. Their numbers cry out loudly for good theological training. Billy Graham, in an African crusade, said Jesus was God in a body. At any rate, with all this confusion as to the nature of Christ, there was little time left in antiquity for a study of the Holy Spirit. There was no proper foundation. The nature of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity had to be formulated first before its applications could be traced in any detail. This is exactly what Athanasius did. Under his guidance, the Nicene Council of A.D. 325 established the Deity of Christ. He later published his arguments. They hardly mention Greek philosophy, but they are full of Scriptural exegesis. Such a man could never impose, and never did impose, pagan polytheism on his 318 bishops.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Paul wrote the Father is the God of Jesus...... Was Paul wrong ? Ephesians 1:17 I keep asking that the God of (((our))) Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. Romans 15:6 …so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort… Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ!

[@rambido]

Carmen! I haven't heard the name Victor Paul Wierwille in nearly fifty years! I took his video class in '71?, stayed at a dorm on his campus (his farm, actually) in southern Ohio, and fellowshipped with the Way, Intl. Ambassadors who went out two by two to all corners. I remember the bands "Pressed Down and Shaken Together" and "Selah" like it was not so long ago. It was the Jesus Movement in full. Dr. Wierwille was probably wrong here and there (I still have his books somewhere) but he was right in many important ways. I feel that Father Almighty was pleased with his effort because much fruit resulted. On the way to his video class in Cleveland, Ohio during a deep snow storm on a sunday morning, I was heading west on Lorain road from Cleveland Heights out to the suburb of Lorain and the class. I was driving a $50 1963 Chevy Nova station wagon in which the heater fan did not work. It had a big gaping hole in the wheel well where the spare would normally stand and snow was entering in the back. I found myself stuck at a non-operating red light in a foot of snow with no heat and I realized that I couldn't feel my feet or my fingers with several miles to go. I became flush with anger and, with both hands on the steering wheel, I turned my head up and screamed "g-dd-mm it" "I'm doing this FOR YOU!" As the word you was leaving my mouth, the fan came on FULL BLAST with HOT AIR across the defroster and blew my face and long hair back! He actually breathed on me. The Holy Spirit of Truth took residence in me and has never left. thank you Almighty Father EHYEH YHVH! And I thank the Ambassadors Carol Freeborn and Jo Spade of Wichita, KS. I have amassed pearls of great price and it began with Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille of The Way, Intl. signed Will Maloney

[@carmensiekierke3579]

@@rambido You write "I feel that Father Almighty was pleased with his effort because much fruit resulted." Will, God doesn't define " fruit" as you have. You also think the Holy Spirit " is an experience." This is the error of the charismatic/ Word of Faith/ Pentecostal movements. Will, Jesus said you must be born again.......and nothing in your comment indicates you have an understanding of regeneration.

[@rambido]

@@carmensiekierke3579 Thanks for taking this time, I appreciate your feedback. In the words of Peter Falk as Det. Columbo: "Well, that about wraps it up......just want to say thank you for the.....the kind words.....you know...just, just, just one thing that's been buggin me (rolls cigar butt in mouth). How? how'd ya know what to say..I mean...were ya there? Did ya go? 1971-1973 that's the Jesus Movement, right? I mean....don't get me wrong.....to each his own....of course, of course. D'ja know that the...those miracles...they were poppin like hot beans on a griddle.....couldn'ta missed it.....I don' know....doesn't add up..... Well sister, it's been fun......

[@carmensiekierke3579]

@@rambido The Holy Spirit regenerates through the Word of God, the Gospel. The Way International didn't believe Jesus was God. Your car fan blasting you with air was just that.......your car fan. Those " miracles" of the charismatic/pentecostal movement are not biblical miracles. Check out the Messed Up Church channel. Steven and Paulette Kozar were in the charismatic/Pentecostal movement for 20 years.

[@adamlekki9592]

Makes perfect sense to me. The Bible says we're made in the image and likeness of God. Where is the separation between the mind and the body.. and the spirit 🤔. You can call them one.

[@dennismaher9533]

Great vid. THANK YOU .....Trinity is key , Mormons reject Trinity + Christianity ...

[@antoroc1]

Excellent, praise God...thank you professor... though the doctrine of the trinity and the God head is a mystery, Christians must have a biblical understanding of God... have confidence to proclaim...

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

Antonio,.....The false manmade doctrine of the nonexistent trinity is not a mystery, it is just a manmade false teaching. Those that proclaim this false manmade doctrine are not those who belong to Jesus.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

3 god trinity brainwashing 101. Despite there being dozens of verses where many proclaim the Father is the God of Jesus trinity teachers will say, yea but its a mystery so you must believe in it.

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@Spartan 300 ,.....Please show me where in the Bible it shows us a prophet of God, Jesus, or any of the apostles offering proof of their statements? The Bible is not about proof but faith. The just shall live by faith not by proof. As disciples of Jesus, we simply state what the truth of Gods word is, we do not prove it. We are seed planters, it is God who makes the seed grow if it is his will to do so.

[@JGez83]

@Spartan 300 yes he is a troll that red herrings moves the goalpost and Gish gallops around those that refute him.

[@JGez83]

@Spartan 300 never

[@louislance8712]

I'm in agreement all that was said a treatment of it to me although a mystery simply indicates that we have the ability to even have these questions if then we are created in the image and likeness of God no one ever talks about the tri-part beings that we are A body a mind a soul and a spirit

[@rambido]

Hey Lou! You listed four parts! Yeshua in the gospels speaks a lot about this and Paul in his books writes extensively on same. Louis, you must study yourself with The Almighty His Word. Read gospel of John and book of Romans first. Those will propel you a long way! Take notes and hi-lite. The age of proxy-pastor-paid-opinionator is officially CLOSED, amen

[@bryanhowell7209]

I was born and raised in the United Pentecostal Church, so understanding the differences between the trinity and the actual true oneness of God, come easy. Does anyone here oppose to that we serve a God so great, that he can only be referred to in the plural. Isa makes it clear that there is no other gods, that is persons beside him except His Redeemer, that is Yeshua/ Jesus Christ. Just like it was Abram and Isaac, it has always just been the Lion and the Lamb. Both Daniel and John the revelator give us a glimpse of the end and in both pictures we see that there is one throne, and then out of nowhere appears one likened to the son of man/ a lamb that was slain. Neither vision illustrates triunity. That opposes the Father giving his only begotten son, which is the very reasoning for the 8th Day in Tabernacles. Jesus / Yeshua, subduing and bringing all things together/ under himself, and then on that 8th Day, He turns around and gives everything back to his/ our Father. Then Yeshua/ Jesus becoming a Priest/ King (after the order of Melchizedek ) the one mediator between God and man. Now the one and only true God again, tabernacles with man.

[@geraldcity310]

To understand the trinity we must understand the passage in Isaiah, where God says... "My glory I shall not given to another" To understand this passage...we must define, what is contain within God's glory, what is it that He says he will not share with any created being. In context, what the above versus that precedes the statement and afterwards...we see one element that stands out that pertains to the glory of God...that He will not share with "any created being" and that is of creation. Therefore, the Creator God Almighty, insist He is the Creator of "all things" yet we see this glory that is only reserved for God being applied to Jesus therefore the glory that God says is only reserved for Himself is that of Christ the Messiah therefore Jesus is God Almighty...the creator of all things.

[@truthwatch2858]

Amen

[@mariacarroll3255]

Desr Sir, thank you for your diligent study that enriches the Body of Mashiach.. I should like to give you a heads up about the "Shma" which you quoted at the beginning of this video.. the line which says: YeHoVah Eluhenu, YeHoVah Echad, YeHoVah our God YeHoVah is One. The word for One is a plural word, for a compound of one, but more than two.. (there is a double case in Hebrew) The word Yaheed, is a singular one.. Also: the word Yahweh means absolutely nothing in Hebrew, you might as well be Russian and claim His name is Yahski.. But the name YeHoVah, is one word made up of three tenses, (past, present & future, in one word) meaning, He who was, He who is, He who will be.. Sorry if you won't enjoy singing to Yahew anymore, when you realise that you are singing to nothing, (which is what happened to me). I hope this blesses you, thank you for being a blessing, although I would probably be considered a Messianic Believer, I enjoy some of your teachings.. I came across you about a week ago when I saw your debate with Tovia Singer. You did very well, I was very pleased.

[@sundownsam3369]

You appeared to be insulted by my question, which is why you added, "Are you telling me how to think and speak?" "You come across as self-righteous and extremely arrogant." I have noticed that many christians tend to make false accusations when a question is bitter to their taste, and you appear to be one of them. Why did you write a page on the gospel? Is the gospel being discussed or the Godhead? The statement I made was to make a point, not to discuss what the Gospel is all about. Unless, you want to show you know the Gospel? Here you are making a false accusation, not realizing that you are making a false accusation. Isn't there a word for that?

[@rightousliving]

The philosophical argument about God having to be a plurality because being love he needs to have been able to express love towards another person before creation is interesting, but fallacious, too. This sounds nice but is absurd when we consider that God is also a jealous God. So they are all jealous about each other. God is also an angry God so the persons in the trinity are angry with each other because how else could anger and wrath and hatred be expressed before creation? So again I disproved another argumen for the trinity. Sorry guys.

[@anneoise7599]

WHAT I WOULD SAY TO DR BENJAMIN D. SOMMER IS; THAT THE TRINITY MAKES FUN OF JESUS WHO IS GOD. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEOS, MOST OF WHICH I'VE WATCHED SO FAR, I FIND MOST INSPIRING SO, I LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING MORE AND BE ENLIGHTENED FURTHER GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER IN CHRIST.

[@indo3052]

Jesus said “ i didnt come on my own authority”. We could all agree this wouldnt make sense if he was god. Most torah observers believe jesus was there in the beginning. Before the virgin birth

[@nothingbutthetruth613]

Most torah observers don't believe in jesus at all so not sure where you get that from

[@indo3052]

@@nothingbutthetruth613 most all Torah observers including hebrew roots infact believe in jesus. Your statement is inaccurate

[@nothingbutthetruth613]

@@indo3052 I assume you mean most CHRISTIAN Torah observers then

[@indo3052]

@@nothingbutthetruth613 the black hebrew roots movement believe in jesus

[@MikeSeekingNoMore]

I have an earnest question. I preface this question with two points. First is I am not a torah follower and second is these extra Bible translations are corrupt so I stick with KJV as it was the first to English. Now my simple question. Where else in the Bible is "the Word" defined as only begotten son of God Jesus Christ? Please let me know because I have read the entire Bible 6 times and have yet to find this.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Mike. I am not aware of anywhere else in the Bible where Jesus is referred to as "the Word" (λόγος, logos). Also, just a quick FYI, the English translations by Wycliffe, Coverdale, and Tyndale all pre-date the KJV, as does the 1599 Geneva Bible. The KJV was not the first to English. Best, Rob

[@BibliayFe]

blessings

[@inayetvehak]

Curses

[@BibliayFe]

@@inayetvehak 😐

[@built4speed101]

Three Distinct Persons, One Eternal Being...who is God! Amen! 🔥

[@indo3052]

Like tovia singer says, we shouldnt use the word persons unless we are gonna use it correctly that aligns with hoe modern day uses ut

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

Wrong!

[@joe4369]

*smh* not true!

[@nothingbutthetruth613]

How can anyone be 1 being and 3 people? You could say this all day long but it will never make sense. Nobody, including apologists, have any clue how this could be

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@nothingbutthetruth613 ,....First off, God is not three people, God is seven spirits as the Bible clearly tells us. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Second, because something does not make sense to you means nothing. Do you think you can understand God? You are nothing but a spiritually dead and blind man, you know nothing. Job Chapter 38 1, "Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3, Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4, Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5, Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6, Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8, Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9, When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors," Job Chapter 40 1, "Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, 2, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. 3, Then Job answered the LORD, and said, 4, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. 5, Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. 6, Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 7, Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. 8, Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? 9, Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? 10, Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty."

[@JJFrance]

Thanks!

[@platzhirsch4275]

Very good. I think that Jesus is the Son of God, but Jesus too clearly teaches a distinction between Jesus and God almighty when saying things like " no-one knows but the father". But for some reason their should be no communication between us and God almighty but instead between us and the Son, our high priest. Likewise do we see that Jesus is given sort of godly power and divinity which makes it possible for Jesus to forgive sins and be the king of Kings or sit and the right hand side of God.

[@janosterud4188]

In 1 John 2:1 it plainly states Jesus is that comforter not someone else. Of course You have to look up the words and see that comforter used in the gospel chapters is the same word as advocate in His epistle and You understand plainly who the comforter is

[@jamestom2510]

I wonder what our god friend Tovia Singer would have to say on what Segul wrote.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

I put that statement to Rabbi Singer in our debate and he completely side-stepped it. Instead of responding to the historical claim, he said Segal isn't a "real Jew." RLS

[@jamestom2510]

@@TheBiblicalRoots interesting how some statements are ignored

[@sundownsam3369]

Without denying the deity of Yeshua, where in the Scriptures does it say to address Yeshua as God? Even God addressed him as his son, and believers are required to do the same in order to avoid appearing as if another god was being introduced.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@Spartan 300 3 god trinity brainwashing 101. Despite there being dozens of verses where many proclaim the Father is the God of Jesus trinity teachers will say, yea but its a mystery so you must believe in it.

[@sundownsam3369]

​@Spartan 300 I first said that I am not denying the deity of Yeshua, so you should have responded to the question "Where in the scripture does it say to address Yeshua as God?" Hebrews 1:6,8 confirms Yeshua's deity like in Philippians 2:5-8. My post had to do with how to address him. The Pharisees understood the title "Son of God" which is why they tried to stone him, but again, I was asking a question. Do you say to someone that God loved you so much that he died for you on the cross? Or do you say that God loved you so much that he gave his only begotten Son to die for you on the cross? We are not told to go around and say that Yeshua is God. We are shown from the Scriptures to address him as the Son of God, as the Messiah, the redeemer. In the Godhead, there is order; the Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Son talked about his Father and what he heard from him. The Father addressed his son, Yeshua, as his Son, and to hear him. The Holy Spirit bears witness, teaches, instructs, and convicts, bringing one to repentance. There is no problem defending Yeshua's deity in a discussion, but the Gospel is not about Yeshua being God, but about God demonstrating his love through his Son, the message of Salvation.

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@@sundownsam3369 paul taught the opposite of jesus

[@sundownsam3369]

@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 Apparently you have no understanding of Scriptures.

[@janosterud4188]

A couple comments. In Gen 1:26 the them, our, us idea is not continued in verse 27 by saying He created them. And the word "godhead" I think should not even be used because if You look at the 3 places it's mentioned the 3 whatever is not what is being described One example Rom 1:20 ESV translates it divine nature which goes along with the actual definition

[@kelliemicheley]

Biblical unitarians who aren't Torahists and the earliest Christians object too. Watch the video where Sean Finnegan talks about the trinity before Nicea. Where's the controversy over this three person being in scripture? You HAVE to know it'd be somewhere. Heck, probably everywhere. When they made disciples in Acts, were they making false converts since they didn't even mention a three person God and identified Christ as the holy servant of the ONE God? Such a mess, honestly. Not their message. The trinitarian one they didn't preach. I love your videos normally, but this one is painful. You're smart. Humbly pray about this brother. It's OK to confess God AND his Son.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Kellie! But remember, no trinitarian on earth believes there is more than one God. And as far as the presence of the Trinity, I provided quite a few solid examples from Scripture. Are there any passages I mentioned that you care to offer a non-trinitarian explanation for? R.

[@kelliemicheley]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Hey brother, yw. Not proud of my tone in it, but I made a video called Is Michael Heiser fo real yo (I know..embarrassing..on channel howdytheresir) that you could search for on KZbin. It gets into the Angel of the Lord two powers stuff. The targums identify the angel as Michael. There are even trinitarian study bibles that recognize the Hebrew law of agency whereby God said "I will put my name in him"..that's the agency principle, not an ontological claim..one even going so far as to say the angel likely wasn't a preexisting Christ. They say this for very, very good reason. Your own fellow trinitarians. Pray all the best for you and yours! Look forward to more of your torahist work, though I disagree with you on holidays too lol..

[@FormerTrucker]

Imagine standing before the throne of the Lord and when he speaks you hear two other voices with his own at the same time. The one being has three self-conscious parts. Beyond comprehension.

[@mfonumoh6055]

I thought God was referring to the Divine council when He says "let us make man..."

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Mfon! I suppose it's possible. But the problem I have with the idea that the plural "us" is a reference to the Divine Council Genesis is Gen. 1:27, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him." This verse not only explicitly says "God created man," it also says that mankind was not made in the image of the Council, but rather in the image of God. Blessings, Rob

[@derekcarver7489]

​​@@TheBiblicalRoots I'm just a ordinary Christian man. I think god made man but not totally perfect or totally like us as it says. Only because God didn't say he was happy after making us like he did with other creations. Could you put me right on this please 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽.

[@pdx3284]

The Hand of God reaches down to earth by the Spirit to do His work. Interacting with the Body doesn't require us to see All the Body inside and out.

[@MarinaPieterse]

To me the trinity is a false doctrine, it is God the Farther, Christ the Son, and the spirit of God, (power of God!

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Is The Creator A TRIAD GOD? 5 months ago Well done John, as this video is true and well said. Just to add to what you say and believe, here is my own research on the (US) meaning: Genesis 1:26 Trinitarian Deception, (Let Us)? World English Bible God said, (Let us) make man in (our) image, after (our) likeness. Trinitarians believe because GOD said (Let Us) make man in (our) image, after our likeness, GOD was talking to the two members of the TRINITY who they believe are Jesus and a Separate person called the Holy Spirit. However, very sadly, Trinitarians have become experts at contradicting the word of GOD, because GOD always says He was ALONE doing the creating BY MYSELF in many verses like Isaiah 44:24: Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: "I am Yahweh, who makes all things; who ALONE stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth BY MYSELF. Isaiah 44:24 Notice in the next verse of Genesis 1:27: So (God) created man in (His) own image; in the image of (God He) created him; male and female (He) created them. BSB. Notice how we do NOT read: And (WE) created man in (OUR) Image, as we would expect if GOD was talking to His SON Jesus, but instead we read the singular words for GOD with the singular word (HE) and (HIM) for ONE PERSON who is doing the creating just as we are told by GOD Himself in Isaiah 44:24. God of Israel, with singular verb. In the Hebrew Bible Elohim, when meaning the God of Israel, is mostly grammatically singular. Even in Genesis 1:26 "Then God said (singular verb), 'Let us make (plural verb) man in our image, after our likeness'", Elohim is singular. Wilhelm Gesenius and other Hebrew grammarians traditionally described this as the pluralis excellentiae (plural of excellence), which is similar to the pluralis majestatis (plural of majesty, or "Royal we").[11] 11. Gesenius Hebrew Grammar: 124g, without article 125f, with article 126e, with the singular 145h, with plural 132h,145i"

[@stargategoku]

Why the word "TRINITY" couldn't be found in the Bible but WHY It is True. TRI-UNITY or TRINITY existed from Genesis to Revelation. The word TRINITY cannot be found in the Bible because it is the name of an inference from Deductive Arguments which is the process of reasoning from one or more STATEMENTS/ PREMISES TO REACH a LOGICAL CONCLUSION TRINITY (TRI-UNE GOD means 3 Divine Persons in 1 Divine Being.) arguments example: "3 Divine Persons in 1 Divine Person" or "3 Divine Beings in 1 Divine Being" are LOGICALLY INCORRECT but "3 Divine Persons in 1 Divine Being" is LOGICALLY CORRECT because "Person" is NOT the SAME OR EQUAL TO "Being". Difference between Person & Being is Person means WHAT MAKES SOMEONE WHO IT IS and Being means what makes SOMETHING WHAT IT IS or ESSENCE and NATURE of EXISTENCE of a person or a thing Malak is a hebrew word for Messenger or angel in english or angelos in greek and it'ss not ontologically (means default) created or uncreated being. The context will define if Malak is created or uncreated. For example of uncreated MALAK (The Angel of THE LORD) in Genesis 16v7-14 where "MALAK YHWH" appeared to Hagar in Genesis 16v7 and Moses narrated that the MALAK YHWH as YHWH and Hagar called the MALAK YHWH as "You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees" in Genesis 16v13 "And calling is Hagar the name of Yahweh Who spoke to her, "You-El-see me.For she says, "Moreover, hither see I, after my seeing? [CLV Translation] or in Exodus 3v2 where MALAK YHWH appeared to Moses and later verses the MALAK YHWH said "I AM GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" in Exodus 3v7-16 like the popular "I AM WHO I AM" in Exodus 3v14. Why most bible beliefs (Christianity and false beliefs i..e. watchtower society (jw'sreligion), inc, judaism, unitarianism) used Jehovah God which in literal hebrew is "YHWH Elohim"but when it comes to MALAK YHWH, In english, they translated it to "The Angel of THE LORD "? Elohim is a hebrew word means God or gods in english. Elohim is not ontologically (means default) Deity or not deity. The context will define if Elohim is Deity or undeity because Elohim is function or role. For example Elohim was used as Deity in Genesis 1v1 who created the universe and living things (man, beast & plants) but in Exodus 7v1 YHWH made Moses "Elohim" to Pharaoh but it doesn't mean Moses is deity and all knowing powerful being unlike in Genesis 1v1. Statements/Premises which support the doctrine of TRINITY and separate Person: premise 1. Genesis 1v26 Elohim (God in english) said "let us make man in our image" premise 2. Genesis 1v2 premise 3. Exodus 3v2 MALAK YHWH Exodus 3v6 I am GOD of Abraham , Isaac & Jacob, 3v14 I AM WHO I AM Ex 3v15, 3v16 premise 4. Isaiah 48v12-16 premise 5. Isaiah 63v7-14 premise 6. John 1v1 "In the the Beginning Was The WORD, THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD." premise 7. John 17v5 JESUS said "And now, FATHER, GLORIFY ME IN YOUR OWN PRESENCE WITH THE GLORY THAT I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED. Who is mere man can ask GOD THE FATHER to glorify him and he can say that he existed before the world was? premise 8. John 1v18 "No one has seen GOD but only God (MONOGENES THEOS) [ESV] premise 9. Zechariah 2.8-12 premise 10. Genesis 3v22 premise 11. Genesis 11v7 Premise 12. Genesis 18 Premise 13. Genesis 19v24 premise 14. Genesis 35v1 (Elohim said to Jacob make an altar to EL in Bethel who appeared to him). Premise 15. 2 Samuel 23 (GOD THE SPIRIT) Premise 16. Exodus 24v1 "Then He said to Moses, “Come up to the LORD, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and you shall worship at a distance. said to Moses". Why YHWH said " come up to me" who was speaking instead of come to YHWH ? Premise 17. Joshua 5 (MALAK YHWH) Premise 18. Judges 6 (MALAK YHWH Premise 19. Judges 13 Premise 20. Genesis 16v7-14 Premise 21. Matthew 28v19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of THE FATHER and of THE SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT," Premise 22. Psalms 110v1, 5 HA ADONAI There are many more statements/premises which proves the separate personality of MALAK YHWH (GOD THE SON), GOD THE SPIRIT and GOD THE FATHER but same in essence and nature of existence in the OT & NT Anti-trinitarian (jews, , inc church of Christ, jw or unitarian "christian") don't know what's the difference between TRINITY and tritheism which are different in terms of doctrine. they (anti-trinitarian) accused christians believing in 3 gods but IT'S FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Tritheism' and TRINITY are contradicting belief . tritheism doctrine is believing in 3 persons and 3 gods but TRI-UNITY ( TRINITY) is doctrine of 3 Divine Person in 1 Divine Being. Jewishness and The Trinity from Messianic Jew Scholar Excerpt from Messianic Jewish (Christian Jew) View of the Trinity Based on the Hebrew Scriptures: by Jews for Jesus It is an all-too-common assumption that the concept of the Trinity is a purely Christian idea. But the idea of a God being a three-in-one unity actually has its roots in foundational Judaism and in the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the concept of the Holy Spirit, the Ha-kodesh, originates in the Hebrew Scriptures-as early as Genesis 1.

[@Contemplate55]

If Genesis 1:26 shows plurality, wouldn’t that change the translation to “gods said, let us make humans in our image, according to our likeness?” I actually came across a KZbin video claiming this passage begins with “the gods.” This is blasphemy, of course. However, it is an example of the slippery slope created by claiming plurality.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

The text actually suggests a single entity with a plural nature, rather than multiple entities: "Then God (singular) said, “Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image, after our (plural) likeness" (Gen. 1:26). Likewise, the doctrine of the trinity does not posit three gods, but a single God with a triune nature. RLS

[@Contemplate55]

@@TheBiblicalRoots First, thank you for responding to my post. You usually ignore them. So I appreciate your response. My point is that it’s a slippery slope. You’re saying “our” indicates plurality of Elohim. Elohim is in the plural form here and could mean “gods,” as it does in other places referring to pagan gods. Not all Christians would agree with your assumption. It’s problematic, and you don’t claim certainty on your assumption.

[@Contemplate55]

@@TheBiblicalRoots I do agree that Elohim, though in plural form, is only one G-d.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Many tritarians add to Scripture and say, We must believe in the trinity to be saved....Sirs what must I do to be saved ? What do you say? I hold to Ephesians 2:8-10 Donny Swaggert who holds to the pre rib rapture theory said once if you don't believe in the rapture you're not saved. Silly.

[@jirehseiuli6173]

Excuse but in all the scriptures you sited it talks about how they are all separate for example john 15:26 but when the helper comes whom i will send to you from the father the spirit of truth who proceeds from the father he will bear witness about me Jesus is stating that the spirit of truth ( the holy spirit ) comes from the father and we know God is not the God of confusion 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. and it is written in deuteronomy 6:4 hear O israel the LORD our God is one lord. One thing to consider is moses saw the Fathers back ( exodus 33:21-23 And the LORD said Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand upon a rock And it shall come to pass while my glory passes by that I will put you in a cliff of the rock and will cover you with my hand while I pass by And I will take away mine hand and you shall see my back parts but my face shall not be seen.) so why would Moses say the LORD is one. it makes more sense to say that the father and the son are connected not the same because when Jesus was baptised in matthew 3 And Jesus, when he was baptised went up straightway out of the water and behold the heavens were opened to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon him ( connecting himself to him ) And behold a voice from heaven saying, This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. ( this is the father speaking directly to the son meaning they are not the same )

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Jireh! Yes, that is one of the mysteries of the Triunity. Scripture says the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct from one another. And it also teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And while all of that is true, it _also_ teaches that God is one. These biblical truths are reconciled in the doctrine of the Trinity, which says there is one God and He is of a triune nature-There is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Blessings, Rob

[@jirehseiuli6173]

@@TheBiblicalRoots forgive me if I seem a bit rude but some of the prophecies concerning our messiah suggest the opposite as it is written in 2 Samuel 7:12-16 concerning Gods promise to David. And when your days be fulfilled and you shall sleep with your fathers I will set up your seed after you which shall proceed out of your bowels and I will establish his kingdom.( why would he address "his kingdom" if he is supposed to be God) He shall build an house for my name and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father and he shall be my son. (if Jesus is supposed to God in human form why would he describe Jesus as the son and himself as the father) If he commit iniquity I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men But my mercy shall not depart away from him as I took it from Saul whom I put away before you. And your house and your kingdom shall be established for ever before you your throne shall be established for ever.

[@jirehseiuli6173]

@@TheBiblicalRoots And another prophecy is in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like to you ( he is talking about moses) and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that whosoever will not hearken to my words which he shall speak in my name I will require it of him. I especially like this prophecy because Jesus acknowledges that the words he spoke didn't come from himself but the father as it is written in john 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself but the father which sent me he GAVE ME A COMMANDMENT what I should say and what I should speak for I know his commandment is life everlasting whatsoever I speak therefore even as the father said to me so I speak.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@jirehseiuli6173 Hi, Jireh. Those prophecies don't teach anything that contradicts the doctrine of the Trinity. Scripture says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct from one another. And it also teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And while all of that is true, it also teaches that God is one. Shalom, Rob

[@merlinthemessenger]

@@TheBiblicalRoots if there is a mystery that's not biblical. Jesus Christ is a man, begotten from a virgin Mary. John 1:3 is not saying "by him" , correct one should be "through him" . Watch trinity delusion brother Kel or Focus on the kingdom sir Antony Buzzard. Please have a debate with them! God of Jesus Christ bless you!

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV): 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

[@jollyrancher521]

The Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 6:4 uses the divine name YHWH (Jehovah in English) twice: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." The fact that the majority of Bibles in English omit God's name in this verse and many other verses contributes to the confusion that surrounds the identity of God. When someone unversed in the Bible reads the word "Lord" in their Bible, they most likely think only of Jesus. They are not able to distinguish between Jehovah and Jesus.

[@tonybenjamin7844]

Doesn't it say "let Us make man in Our image"....not in our "physical" image? So to me image simply implies consciousness/emotions/etc.

[@ryanestess]

When reading Colossians you accidentally still had the reference to John 1:1-3

[@dmoffitt1914]

I'm not sure why Gentile Christians have a problem with this when Paul already answers the question. There is one God, the father. Who gave his son authority over all creation. And all the creation is supposed to be one in Christ so that will be one with the father. Here is the scripture where it stated. ‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭8:6‬ ‭ [6] yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. ‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15‭-‬17‬ ‭(finish to verse 21) [15] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [16] For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created through Him and for Him. [17] He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

The indoctrination that goes into getting people to believe in the Trinity and Jesus being God is almost unbelievable. They treat and teach this subject as an extremely emotional charged topic. That, while also teaching it as perhaps the most sacred and holy truth possible which if you don't believe you utterly spit on the face of God and Jesus. That's how. Plus 1600 years of this, everyone you know-love-and respect believing in it, your taught the Trinity and Jesus being God before you even read the Bible! Thats how. Speaking as someone who used to believe Jesus was God, instead of God's son like the Bible teaches. Thats how I could read something as so simple and straightforward as "To us there is one God, the Father" and think it means something different than what it's really saying 😅.

[@solitairecat1]

@@youngknowledgeseeker It does appear to be a source of blindness, like the Law. My sister-in-law said "the Spirit told me he is a triune God". I wonder if she has received the spirit of deception.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@solitairecat1 So many people say things like that, from all denominations. However if we do not have the privilege of having God communicate directly to us by the spirit, what else can we do but read scripture for truth, pray for truth, and use the hermeneutic of treating the Bible as books written in specific times in history that affect how we are to understand them. What happens when what we think is the spirit seems to contradict scripture

[@sacredcowtipper1378]

Very good brother. I have been talking much on many of these same passages over the last few weeks with HRM and Jews. Yes, one Godhead in both old and new testaments. And I likewise say I do not fully understand the concept but the Bible teaches it. God spoke the worlds into existence from nothing. Ex Nihilo. We don’t understand that but in faith believe because God’s word teaches it.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

When we die we go to Sheol and await to be resurrected some to eternal life or some to damnation where some will burn up and cease to exist not be tortured forever as pagans teach............. But..... IF you believe Messiah was the spotless sinless Lamb then I count you as a Brother/Sister. Even though we may differ on theology. We can cherry pick verses to make Scriptures say anything we want. . These are some teachings I know longer hold too, You can choose to call me a brother or not, 1, . The Trinity. 2, Pre trib rapture, 3, Humans will be tortured forever in hell, 4, Christ death made the unclean., clean, changed the Sabbath to Sunday, Feast are no more and Easter replaced Passover, Good Friday/Resurrection Sunday, I believe HE rose on Saturday the 7th day, Reciting a prayer Romans 10:9-13 makes us eternally secure for heaven and nothing can change that. Dispensational theology. Gentiles replaced Israel, Israel today was the biblical regathering in Ezekiel 37 in 1948 and other places, thats a future event, and as Jermiah states we're clearly not in the biblical New C. . Thats where I'm at . Have a great day. And yes I hold to Ephesians 2:8-10.... Most leave out verse 10.

[@sacredcowtipper1378]

@@Jeffmacaroni1542 i would Agree with you on some of the things you said. And some things you said I would say are nonessentials unto salvation. The trinity (Godhead) doctrine has always been taught clearly in scripture and in The first few centuries by the early church fathers and The apostle Barnabas in his epistle and the Didache which is the teaching of the Twelve. Jesus accepted worship in the gospels, said I and the Father are one, and so on. So there is no reason to not believe it. Just because we cannot understand certain concepts is no reason to not believe something. Do you understand HOW God made everything from nothing? No you don’t. Do you realize God made time? When did He make creation? What was eternity like before it? You have to have a when to have a how to have an it. Time, space, and matter where created at the same time. You cant have matter if you have nowhere to put it so you have to have space. Our little pea brains know almost nothing Mac. NOw if you are confused on some things, i wouldn’t NOT call you a brother if that were the reason. If you are rejecting the divinity of Christ when the apostles themselves didn’t and the Bible states he is the creator of all things, I would say you definitely have another Jesus that you created in your own image that doesn’t exist in scripture. You would be the one doing serious cherry-picking. The apostle John clearly taught that if one denies God coming in the flesh, or denies the Son which is a clear reference to Jesus’ eternal state, that that person has the spirit of antichrist. I would say unless you are confused, I would deny you as a brother in Jesus as we have two different Jesus’. I have the one the scripture from Genesis 1:4 to the end of Revelation 22 and the church has had from day one. You have a new one. The Catholic church didn’t make up the trinity. It existed in the church 300 years before Augustine. Please read the apostle John’s words below, not mine. If any teacher today rejects the apostle’s teachings, they are of Satan, plain and simple. Our faith is based upon the apostolic teachings. 1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. The first part of this touches on Jesus being the Messiah. The second half of the verse His divinity. 1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. We have about 7,000 manuscripts now. Can I ask you why you reject the divinity of Jesus when He 1. Received worship, 2. Said He came FROM the Father, 3. Scripture tells us He created all things which alone makes Him divinity, and 4. who is the US in “Let US make man in OUR image”? You are rejecting hundreds of verses in the old and new testaments. I would say one that does that is either very confused or never been born again. I love you man but I cannot lie to you. I will stand before Jesus some day on that great and terrible day. If one Cherrypicks and bases their theology off of their presuppositions, yes they can make scripture say anything. Clear verses trump unclear Always. That is step one in theology. Context is number two. I pray you go to the Lord and read His word all the obvious passages of His divinity. The Holy Spirit needed not to overshadow Mary if Joseph was his father. It was a supernatural birth.

[@sundownsam3369]

​@@Jeffmacaroni1542What do you believe, or what is your creed?

[@sacredcowtipper1378]

@@sundownsam3369 i don’t have a creed. I studied the Bible for 39 years. If it teaches something and it is in CONTEXT, and it can be exegeted, not eisogeted, I believe it. Why I believe the doctrine of the Godhead or trinity. Most people have never learned in decades of being raised in the church how to read God’s word. They were never taught how. CLEAR verses always trump cherrypicking. The FULLNESS of the GODHEAD dwelt in Jesus bodily. You cant get around the trinity. I tried. I don’t understand fully as it is a mystery just like many things in the Bible are like God creating the Universe from nothing. The Bible clearly teaches that dinosaurs walked with man yet 99% of the people of the world believe false science. That isn’t even a mystery anymore. There is a 100’s of proofs now that prove they died off recently including mass graveyards of them being buried with mammals in a 14 mile stretch as just one proof. People believe what they want to believe. You know what else is a mystery? How people who claim to be Christians go to UNSAVED rabbis to learn from and got all messed up. They dont even understand simple concepts, why would I try to go understand mysteries from those who couldn’t even count the Daniel 9:24-27 timeline and know there Messiah had already come? That is silly to follow anyone’s teaching that cannot do basic math and add to 490 years. They don’t believe God’s word so why ask them what it means? Your right, pre trib rapture is false. Im not sure how you came to that conclusion. I spent 8 years studying its history and learning WHO the men were that brought it about and how the whole,idea is eisogeted from scripture. But you are dispensational if you think Jesus is going back to animal sacrifices for sin atonement thus denying His own sacrifice. I was raised Catholic, became agnostic For two years wondering if God existed as I prayed to Him for two years as a chronically depressed person bawling myself to sleep every night as the age 13-15. God sent me the gospel from someone from 3,000 miles away because my supposedly saved neighbors didn’t tell us for all those years living next to them. He took my burden, saved me, and i have been teaching and preaching on and off for 39 years. He is very real and Jesus is the Son of God. You cannot be a Christian if you deny the divinity of Jesus. If you have that wrong, you will have much error in other areas. Denying the divinity of the Messiah is not accepted in any of the three streams of Christianity which are Protestantism, Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholicism. All streams teach the divinity of Christ and have for centuries. The trinity is NOT a Roman Catholic invention. DO YOU KNOw WHAT IS WORSE THEOLOGY than Roman Catholicism’s transubstantiation doctrine? Is many Hebrew Roots people teach going back to animal sacrifices FOR SIN ATONEMENT in their dispensational premillennial view based off of thinking a “conditional” promise of God needs to still be fulfilled even if when it was given was conditional. Some fruit never grows because of disobedience. Ezekiel’s temple is null and void if you read it contextually. God told Ezekiel to “show THIS vision to THIS people”. What people? The ones alive at that time, not ones in the future. Many stayed in Babylon and didn’t go back to Judah so they ended up with Herod’s temple instead. Ot was a conditional promise. Rabbis trying to make this future cannot read in context and shouldn’t be teaching. When Jesus said in Matthew 23 and part of chapter 24 that every stone would be overturned during the lifetime of THAT generation He was speaking to, it happened. If it didn’t happen by the time that generation died off Jesus would have been a false prophet. So likewise, Ezekiel would have been a false prophet had his nine chapter prophecy been meant for the future when many didn’t go back and build it as it was for THAT generation that it was given to. To say Jesus the Melchizedekian high priest during a future millennial reign would be overseeing Levitical priesthood animal sacrifices FOR sin atonement is blasphemy. He would be denying His own sacrifice. I encourage you to go back to the beginning and learn true Christianity. All three streams of Christianity have certain things wrong but nowhere near as wrong as what I am hearing from many Hebrew Roots followers who have another Jesus. Did Jesus not say to the jewish leaders, “The Kingdom of God is taken away from you and given to another nation.” Did he lie? He said and I believe it. Many in Judah sold their birthright like Esau, were cut off, and Gentiles grafted in. The only way any can be grafted back in is through recognizing Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God which means divinity. Many have. Most have not. Why have not most? They follow unsaved Talmudic rabbis who do not have the Spirit of God who put their interpretation on scripture, ignore hundreds of prophecies Jesus already fulfilled, and so on. Blind leading the blind and I am very aware that many Hebrew Roots followers do listen to these men. I listen to them sometimes, definitely not to learn from them but to see how they like atheists and evolutionists ignore the obvious to hold onto their beliefs. Most people will never admit they are wrong. And most people are followers and take little time to bet educated but are rather indoctrinated. There is a difference between being educated and indoctrinated. I had some indoctrination in Bible college like the pretrib rapture zip zap. I can teach the professors who teach this stuff how ridiculous it is with its logical fallacies, contradictions, and heresies that exist in it now and ask them with what I showed you, why are you still teaching it? You are accountable now. And trust me I confronted a many professor, pastor and Bible teachers and laymen, as many as over 100,000 now on that subject. That cant answer the logical fallacies. It is very hard to get unbrainwashed. Bro, God has sent you Rob Solzberg and myself Rob M. to help. We love you. My heart is broken about this HR movement. Many have lost their faith and apostatized from the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus. Jesus and the apostles said this would happen in the last days, a great apostasy. The Testator has died and brought in the new covenant with His very own blood. It is not a future event still. It started 2,000 years ago. You have to aSk yourself why God destroyed the temple. Yes He used the roman army to do it but He didn’t in AD 363 when they tried to rebuild the temple. God sent earthquakes, tornadoes and fire came out of the ground and consumed some of the Jews that were involved in coming against the Son of God’s forever eternal once for all sacrifice. They incurred the wrath of God and many are building up wrath against themselves again. Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. I believe like Billy Graham that only about 5% of those that came forward at his preachings were truly saved and born again. Some today are confused and being bewitched because they are still young in the Lord or were never blessed with sitting under good teachers so never got a good foundation of sound doctrine. They knew the presence of God at church when they believed in Jesus and His divinity. Maybe some never experienced the presence of God. Maybe they went to a dead church. I don’t know as everyone’s situation is different but God’s word predicted these things would happen in the last days. I see many becoming a part of that statistic..

[@sundownsam3369]

​@@sacredcowtipper1378 - I asked for your creed and not for a page on what you believe, but I did read it. So, you say that God sent you and Rob to help? Guess what, Yeshua sent the Holy Spirit to instruct and teach us, and give us an understanding of what God made clear when he first spoke. I do not fall into the arms of flesh. The Scriptures tell us to test all spirits if they are of God, and when one speaks contrary to what God made clear when he first spoke, I will allow the Scriptures to refute it. I read your post and there are some things you stated that are not scriptural or you do not have an understanding of them. Like, did Jesus not say to the Jewish leaders, "The Kingdom of God is taken away from you and given to another nation." Did he lie? He said it and I believe it. Many in Judah sold their birthrights like Esau, were cut off, and Gentiles grafted in. The only way any can be grafted back in is through recognizing Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God, which means divinity. From your statement, you appear to believe in replacement theology, and though you might deny it, your statement tells me that you do not even realize that you are making a statement that insinuates replacement theology. By the way, we are not called to be christians, we are called to be followers. Nowadays, everyone is a christian, even satan will use that title. So, either you are a follower or a christians? Someone claiming to be a Christian may imply that they belong to a religious sect. But, say you are a follower of Yeshua, and you will know what I mean when I ask, are you a christian or a follower? Read the verse that mentions Christians and investigate what is being implied.

[@travisnorton9097]

Love it

[@tug-tog]

Can anyone please name a verse where the Holy Spirit was worshipped or prayed to in the entire Bible if he is seperate from Father and Son? I know some for them but not Spirit.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Apparently, there is none. It is never prayed to. It is never worshipped. It is never give greetings nor is it greeted.

[@paulvandergriff4209]

Nowhere in the bible does it claim that the holy spirit is a personal being (or person). Most of the letters in the new testament says something along the lines of "greetings in the name of the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ." The holy spirit is never included in the start of any of them. Isn't that odd that the writers left the holy spirit out?

[@kennethgreifer5123]

Have you ever noticed in Daniel 7:9-13, God is sitting on a fiery throne, and then supposedly the Messiah comes to him and is given the kingdom, but God and the Messiah are seen together in this vision? That doesn't fit your beliefs about God not being visible. Also, in Ezekiel 1, God is also seen sitting a fiery throne in a vision, so you would have to say that God, in that vision, is not the Messiah, right? You would have to say that God can be seen in visions and dreams. Otherwise, you can't really explain it, I suppose.

[@ericsmith7287]

I met one that accepted Christ, but not the Holy Spirit. Personally I feel Dr. Michael S. Heiser's explanation is the best way to understand the Trinity, so yes you loose me around the five minute mark with the plural explanation where it looks like God is talking to himself, besides that though.... It's even supported by history, i.e. the Hebrew cult's ban of Two Powers teaching in the second century because it was helping to prove the apostles teaching that Jesus is the Messiah. On Ravi's quote, this is only true if we assume that the only created beings in all of eternity past are only humans. No, I'm not advocating aliens, but the spiritual beings that are all created.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Eric! I agree that there are spiritual beings who may have been created before humans. But if we continue backwards, we get to a time when God alone existed, before anything at all was created. It was Yahweh, alone, the uncreated being. And since God is an eternal, infinite being, He was alone without humans or other created beings for a past eternity. It is during that time that the question can be asked, "If God is love, who was He loving before Creation?" Blessings, Rob

[@ericsmith7287]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Yes, but an attribute doesn't necessitate action.

[@donai77JesusisGod]

@Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity You said that Jesus commanded his disciples to baptize in the three names of the trinity. Can you provide scriptural examples of anyone being baptized "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Donai. I'm curious why it matters if anyone is mentioned as performing a baptism in the three names in Scripture. Is it not enough that Jesus commanded it? (Matt 28:19). ~Rob

[@donai77JesusisGod]

Well I think it matters greatly because Matt. 28:19 proves the earliest Christians believed in the oneness of the Godhead. Jesus definitely gave this command, but how did the apostles who witnessed Him say this interpret his words? If they thought Christ spoke of a trinity, my question is, why is there no recorded examples in the scriptures of them baptizing anyone in this manner? On the contrary, every recorded baptism that the apostles performed was in the Name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 10:44, Acts 19:5) Could it be that the Apostles actually obeyed Jesus' command and didn't merely repeat it, like the majority of churches do today when performing baptisms. They knew that the Name of the Father is Jesus (John 5:43) The Name of the Son is Jesus (Matt. 1:21) and the Name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus (John 14:26) When the doctrine of the trinity was codified by the state church it officially changed baptism from "in the Name of Jesus Christ" to the trinitarian form that we have today. Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365

[@joe4369]

@@TheBiblicalRoots *smh* not true! Matt 28:19 extremely likely added later, you know that. You're going to tell these people that Jesus commanded it as if it is undeniable fact that he said it? Unbelievable! Any basic web search of "matt 28:19 not original" should be sufficient for those of you that want to do your research.

[@samael5782]

@@joe4369 Exactly. Matt 28:19 was altered much later in the 2nd or 3rd century by the church, admitted by Pope Benedict XVI in a lecture: "Die Grundform unseres Bekenntnisses [Matthäus 28,19 Trinitarier] hat sich im Lauf des 2. und 3. Jahrhunderts im Zusammenhang mit dem Taufvollzug gebildet. Was seine [Matthäus 28,19] lokale Herkunft angeht, so handelt es sich um einen stadtrömischen Text." - Joseph Ratzinger (Papst Benedict XVI), Einführung ins Christentum. Vorlesungen über das Apostolische Glaubensbekenntnis, München, S. 45. (I can translate the German for you if a online translator does a bad job at it).

[@AndrewFisherOfMen]

It’s one God and his name is Jesus, yet the son is separate from the father. The father’s name is Jesus and the Words name is Jesus, Jesus the word is the God(Jehovah) of the Old Testament. Jesus has always been the only Image of the invisible God, Jesus walked with Adam in the garden, Jesus spoke to Moses from the burning bush. While at the same time being separate from the invisible Father who also shares the name Jesus just as they share the name Jehovah. Because it’s still one God, separated by 3. The father, son, and holy ghosts name is Jesus Christ because it’s still one God even Though they are separate at the same time. The Word was with God and was God at the same time in the beginning.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

I was taught the Son is co equal with the Father..... 14:28 God the Father is greater than I......John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 17:3 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the (((((only true God)))), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”

[@christopher19894]

The Bereshit Prophecy elucidates the full scope of the Trinity and how embedded Jesus has always been throughout the whole Bible and all of Creation. Amen 🙏

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

What was the sons name in the old testament???

[@alantate25]

Thank you for your videos brother! Only gripe I might have is, where you at 13:28 mark list all the Scriptures showing all 3 persons of the Trinity being God, the verses don’t really prove anything. At least on the category where “Holy Spirit is God”. More then half of the verses do not show or prove the Holy Spirit is God. For example you said Revelation 2:18 “““And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this:” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭NASB This doesn’t prove that. And yes the previous verses talk about “and what the Spirit is saying to the church’s” But that doesn’t even necessarily give solid evidence that the Spirit is God (though I believe the Spirit is God, but if someone else who didn’t believe so looked these verses up, it wouldn’t really prove it. It just mentions, ya the Spirit is saying this and that but no proof He is God) And this is for more then half of the verses you listed for the Spirit is God. I haven’t even checked out the other categories **Update** I just went through all the verses where it’s supposed to show “Jesus is God” and more then half do not prove anything my friend. Especially to those who are searching for some concrete verses showing clearly these things There are definitely verses that illustrate these things far better and I’m afraid my friend these are not them. If you want, respond here and I can reply if you want with solid concrete verses showing Jesus is God, and the Spirit is God

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

AH,.....There is no trinity. The idea of a trinity does not come from the Bible, it comes from those who do not understand the Bible, (the apostate church). What the Bible teaches is that God is seven spirits and not three, this is why the Menorah has seven lamps and not three. The apostate church has led everyone astray from God and Biblical truth with not just their false trinity teaching, but with everything else they wrongly teach. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Sure, Alan. I'd love to see which Scriptures you would go with. Thanks! Rob

[@unitarianapologetics4669]

Sommer doesn't believe in an Orthodox Trinity, he teaches Divine Fluidity where the One God can fragment himself. The Trinity is nonsense. None of those verses you being up teach the "Deity" of Christ.

[@aroundtheworld4173]

Denying the Trinity is not denying the very nature of God. The new testament is not triune, don't force your understanding to others. One simple question: We see in prophets and revelations of John the glimpse of heaven, the throne of God. Why is there no mention of the Trinity sitting on the throne?

[@quesostuff1009]

Isn’t there talk about Jesus sitting at the right hand of the father ?? Am I tripping?

[@Mr08192009]

Right hand means power, not that there is an actual person sitting there. There will only be one on the throne that day. Which will be Jesus Chrst, who died for our sins sitting on the or in the right hand of God ( power of God).

[@ashersian2563]

​​​​@@Mr08192009(Acts 7:55 KJV) But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, This is literal and not symbolic. Where is the Holy Spirit you may ask? The One enabling Stephen to see Gods glory, Jesus standing beside Him. Three separate Personal Beings. One God in purpose, mind and character "echad"

[@alyaly1640]

Most of what you teach is incredibly accurate and I love it; but, this one is just plain wrong. II Corinthians 5:19-21.The Father was IN Jesus reconciling the world to Himself!!! John 5:30 I can NOTHING by myself. Why was Jesus not worshipped before 300 AD? Why didn't the apostles or Paul teach us clearly about the Trinity? Why would God be so ambiguous in the understanding of the word Trinity? Why is the word "MYSTERY always connected to the Trinity idea claimed by Trinitarians? Is it because there is no biblical basis at all to teach it? Why was Jesus not taught as God? Why did Jesus always say the Father is greater than I? Why did Paul say in Colossians that even Jesus said that the Father's divinity is unable to be grasped. The Father sent me. I can nothing of my own. Jesus is who he says that he is which is the son of God not God the son. If he is God the son then that makes Mary the "Mother of God" and thus equal to the Father. See the trap the Vatican put in? Don't get me wrong, the real Mary would never agree with this as she was a Godly woman obviously. The truth is that it goes back to Semiramis, Nimrod, and Tammuz. Mystery Babylon revealed! After Jesus was termed God all of a sudden then in 325 AD the Trinity came along (Constantine made up the Trinity terminology) and later it was codified in 381 AD when the Holy Spirit was also granted divinity.......Then the non-Trinitarians were killed or treated very poorly and the Trinity was taught as truth. It propagated through the centuries as those teachers taught others the lie also and here we are two millenniums later and most of you don't even question its validity anymore...and they hide it under the term "MYSTERY" .Hmmm Please explain these scriptures to me and other scriptures just like it please. I would like this explained to me honestly....I am willing to listen if you can provide scriptural and historical proof that matches....(After all TRUE history or "His story" is truly about Jesus ulimately right? Somebody please teach me if I am wrong....

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

I'm not an expert in church history so I won't speak on that. However I do wish to correct you on Jesus not being worshipped till the 4th century. At least, as far as the gospels go, he's definitely worshipped. He's worshipped in the writing of Paul (every knee shall bow). He's worshipped in Revelation, literally by the heavenly host in the vision. Worship (in Hebrew "Shachah" and in Greek "Proskuneo") had nothing to do with meaning your God the creator. Thats just modern idealogy imported into the Bible. In the Bible, in near eastern antiquity, and even in the 1st century Greco-Roman world, "worship" at its core meant to show obeiscance, generally by bending the knee. So the King could be worshipped, in fact, if he was God's appointed King he had to be worshipped (1st Chronicles 29:20). Angels, Kings/Rulers, Male heads of house, were all given worship condoned by God himself! The Christians harassed by persecuting Jews in Revelation are promised worship by them in Revelation by Jesus! My point, if i've rambled too much, is that no one has to be afraid of Jesus being worshipped. He *was* worshipped and it was Godly that he was worshipped. The key is thay he, and all those others I mentioned, were not worshipped as God, they were not worshipped for creating the Universe, giving life, being all powerful, being the highest authority etc. That worship is given and deserved to God alone in the Bible.

[@justusmorton6555]

Your claims around church historyare laughable. All our earliest hostile witnesses speak of christians worshiping Jesus by at least the 2nd century AD. For example the Roman Governor Pliny wrote to the Emperor about how christians sang hymns *the same way* the Romans did in worship. A satarist (whose name im spacing on) mocked christians for worshipping a "crucified sophist". If you want to claim that Constantine fundementally alter christianity you have to explain how he got all the leaders of the church, who had stead firm in their faith during the most brutal of the eras of persecution, to go along passively with his corruption. Further the Trinity existed as a mostly developed framework for more than a century by the Council of Nicea. The title Mother of God or Theotokos, more accurately describes Mary as the one who bore God in her womb. This in no way makes her equal with the Father. She is not the originator of the divine essence as is held by *all* the churches that ascribw that title. I personally dont use it because the title in English has more implications than the original greek. The idea that there is any connection between the trinity and babylonian mythology is laughable. First, Semiramis was not a God in Babylon, she was a queen who reigned in the 9th or 10th century BC. Second, Nimrod is an external imposition. The Babylonians never had a king nor god named Nimrod. The situation is such that the Hebrews identified a king as Nimrod who was called something else in his own language (probably Akkadian). Third, Nimrod is not a god in either the bible nor mesopotamia. So we have a god of the mesopotamian pantheon, a 3rd millennium bc king, and a 1st millennium bc queen. They a barely related so your claim that this is the source of the trinity is prima facie highly improbable. On the topic of Mystery, the trinity is called a mystery because we don't, and likely cannot, understand its innerworkings. How one God can be three persons yet one God is bizzare yet 7 truths found in the bible compell us to believe such. 1) God is One. 2) The Father is God. 3) The Son is God. 4) The Holy Spirit is God. 5) The Father is not the Son. 6) The Son is not the Holy Spirit. 7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father. These beliefs concluded in the formal doctrine of the Trinity. I appologise for the poor formatting of the post I addressed your claims as I remembered them so its a bit out of order.

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Matthew 11:27 (ESV): 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

[@GBM-m4s]

How can Jewish scholar used as reference to explained Trinity , the bible clearly teach there is one and only one true God(Jesus ).

[@PaulRasmussen18]

When the queen says we are not amused this is a plurality as she's speaking of the crown , it's Muslims that started the royal we and Jews and uniterians jumped on the bandwagon

[@chosenoneinakilt9495]

I am quite curious why Genesis 1:26 was brought up, yet 1:27 was ignored; 26And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth." כווַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ: 27And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. כזוַיִּבְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים | אֶת־הָֽאָדָם֙ בְּצַלְמ֔וֹ בְּצֶ֥לֶם אֱלֹהִ֖ים בָּרָ֣א אֹת֑וֹ זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם:

[@built4speed101]

John 10:30 NASB I and the Father are one." RWP Joh 10:30 One (εν). Neuter, not masculine (εις). Not one person (cf. εις in Ga 3:28), but one essence or nature. By the plural συμυς (separate persons) Sabellius is refuted, by υνυμ Arius. So Bengel rightly argues, though Jesus is not referring, of course, to either Sabellius or Arius. The Pharisees had accused Jesus of making himself equal with God as his own special Father (Joh 5:18). Jesus then admitted and proved this claim (5:19-30). Now he states it tersely in this great saying repeated later (John 17:11; John 17:21). Note εν used in 1Co 3:3 of the oneness in work of the planter and the waterer and in John 17:11; John 17:23 of the hoped for unity of Christ's disciples. This crisp statement is the climax of Christ's claims concerning the relation between the Father and himself (the Son). They stir the Pharisees to uncontrollable anger. And, Genesis 2:24 is equivalent to this interpretation! Genesis 2:24 NASB For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. Your position has been refuted.

[@chosenoneinakilt9495]

@@built4speed101 I see- Did the writer of John have access to Genesis? Yes he did. When was John written? How many years after the death of Jesus? Case closed. Thank you for confirming your argument is only smoke and mirrors.

[@tbishop4961]

I'm not sure what you're getting at

[@chosenoneinakilt9495]

@@tbishop4961 If the writers of the NT had access to the Tanakh- then it is clear they had the source to copy from. And that’s what they did. If they contradict the Tanakh (as Paul did on multiple occasions) who am I suppose to listen to?

[@MrZenox12]

@@chosenoneinakilt9495 you’re a very ignorant person on these matters, people like you are best to just listen and not speak, I believe you can still learn

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Only God is to be worshipped ? Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) . Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;” . Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites. . Genesis 33:3 He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau]. . Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground. . Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’

[@dream1way]

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@grasonicus]

@dream1way This is the Comma Iohanneum and is well known to be a fraud. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma There's no unambiguous evidence for the Trinity.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

This is perhaps the one verse in particular that has been identified as a forgery by almost every major translation in the modern day. Even the King James will at least include a footnote that says "Not found in any of our oldest manuscripts".

[@jollyrancher521]

Many scholars believe that the words in this verse "There are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one" are an interpolation. These words are not found in any Greek manuscript earlier than the fifteenth century. They do not appear in the Latin Vulgate or any Latin version of the Bible before the ninth century.

[@derekcarver7489]

Professor you missed somethings at the bit about Abraham. All 3 men answered together genesis 18.4. Then all 3 men asked the question where is Sarah genesis 18.9. It's clear that Abraham answered to all of them aswell. Genesis 18.16-17. The most important verses of all to me states that all 3 men look towards sodom and Abraham walks off with them then god speaks to Abraham. Genesis 18.17. God starts talking to himself aswell. Shall i conceal from Abraham what i am doing. 😂😂😂 God messiah and the Holy spirit turned up at Abrahams place. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽. Thank you lord for writing that the way you did.

[@billtakeuchi3613]

I really think that Jesus and the two person that was with Jesus are the two cherub bans on the ark and I also believe that the two angels that was gone Jesus ascension is the same angels that was on the ark so I believe that Jesus himself always have his two trustee angels With him whenever he comes to earth and by the way, I love you teaching. I think you are very brilliant man and I thank God for people like you who study the word real good but please consider that that I be the two person that was with him was the two angels on the art, the two angels that visited la is the same two angels that just what I believe is to see how similar Jesus always have two angels around him God bless

[@jojivarghese5105]

If god is in 3 forms why did not bible say clear god is one and his name should be one for tha generetions Exodus 3:15 (KJV) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Joji! The Bible says God is one because God _is_ one. There is only one God, and He is a triune deity unlike any other being in existence. Blessings, Rob

[@leeenk6932]

Isn't the Hebrew word "Elohim" which is translated "God" actually plural? Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear oh Israel, the LORD (Yahweh) our God (Elohim), the LORD (Yahweh) is one (echad) LORD (Yahweh) Elohim =Plural Echad= One Same word is used in Genesis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and THEY shall become ONE ( Echad) flesh. The two became one (Echad)

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Mark. Yes, Elohim is morphologically plural; the _im_ ending of elohim makes the noun plural. But it's one of those "special cases" in Biblical Hebrew. And in the passages where it refers to God, the grammar around it is singular. So *God* (Elohim, plural) *created* (the verb is singular) man in his *own* (a third masculine singular suffix in Hebrew) image. Personally, I see this "special case" as more evidence of the plurality of God, Blessings, Rob

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@@TheBiblicalRoots For those who have eyes to see..... Genesis 1:26 explained in 4 minutes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJSUh6CAl9WXna8

[@leeenk6932]

@@TheBiblicalRoots thankyou. Yes Ive made this point to non Trinitarians that Elohim is plural, but used to Yahweh in singular. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding this correctly, because I'm not an expert in Hebrew. Blessings!

[@tonybenjamin7844]

Do you ever wonder how many other "creations" may have been accomplished by GOD throughout eternity. Thus allowing for lots of love before us?

[@edwardmagdalena1383]

Sir Rob can we Considee those Iglesia ni Cristo Jehovah witness and seventh day adv3ntist are following torahism?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hello, Edward! Torahism is defined as "a belief that all Christians are *required* to keep the Law of Moses, and that not doing so is sinful." So Jehovah's Witnesses and SDA might be considered partial-Torahists. They are "cousins" so to speak. Blessings, Rob

[@priscillamartinez1363]

@Theblibicalroots hi rob I love all your videos but I have to disagree I grew up jehovahs witness and My parents are witnesses but I have to disagree I have a best friend who found a form a hebrew movement and its way off I'm like why would you wanna go back and yolk yourself to slavery 😢