OVERRATED or UNDERRATED? - EP4

[@ThunderNappy]

The next over or underrated episode you guys need to discuss *The Kick Off*

[@rorywhelan_]

The kick off is dead

[@walkermorgan1710]

@@rorywhelan_ yeah I get the sense there was beef. Now TG is doing like weird crime stuff trying to be the next rogan

[@reddd-77]

@@walkermorgan1710 maybe he's just doing that cause it interests him.

[@CharlieL292]

Discuss that Lawrence fella

[@Nightsu]

guy gets people like burger bhavs and thogden on. scraping the bottom of the barrel for his watchalongs

[@MrHastygamer]

Will there ever be an overrated or underrated where Rory doesn’t say “I don’t think it’s overrated or underrated”.

[@keytostart7053]

I think it's just rated...

[@lj671]

Hahahah I get why he says that tho

[@Crash_Bash_4ever]

Rated should be there to

[@farouqjallad4338]

Never forget Mourinho's Real Madrid side, first team to score 100+ points in La Liga, and created the best counter-attacking side ever.

[@celticbarry9877]

He also made Real Madrid really sneaky, aggressive and at times negative which they never were before. Gave them the nasty streak that probably helped them go on to win the CL many times. Real Madrid before then were always quite soft and just played attacking and pure football that was quite open. Mourinho added in that fouling, time wasting, defending, winding people up, claiming for freekicks and penalties, pressuring referees etc that gave them an extra edge and has continued up till now really. They even continue to be a more counter attacking team and thats how they got all their success.

[@rishikamath6718]

Mourinho unleashed Ramos & Pepe

[@HT008]

failed to win the champs league which for madrid is the easiest club to win it with and 1 title in 3 years and only 3 cups in 3 years for madrid is laughable! He failed in his tenure at madrid

[@akshanshbharti2401]

@Houdifa Taboun I can assure u started watching football like 5years ago. When Mourinho arrived Madrid were getting knocked out of CL in RO16 for 6years in a row, It was only Jose Mourinho who took them to their first CL semi-final in 6years. So yeah its easier to look at Madrid now and think it's the most easiest club win CL in but that wasn't the case when Mourinho arrived. Madrid after that Galactico Era were a finished proposition Mourinho revived them

[@HT008]

@@akshanshbharti2401 Madrid had 9 champs leagues at that time- the most out of every single club in Europe! So yes it was the easiest! The fact they failed to win it until 2014 just means all of those managers failed in Europe! Real brought every top player they could and Jose had Xabi Alonso, Ronaldo, Ramos, Ozil, Benzema etc and still failed to win it! To call them finished when they had a monster team is hilarious lmao 😂 😂 so how can they get 100+ points in La liga but then be so dead apparently lmao just admit it’s fact mourinho failed at Madrid! 1 title in 3 seasons is embarrassing for Madrid hence why they kicked him out! Celebrating semi finals is pathetic lol 😂 damn right he those players should be in the semis! They might as well before golfers if even a team with world class in every position can’t reach semis 😂😂

[@hriis15]

Henderson's legacy is underrated. People treat him like he was lucky to play in a good Liverpool side (Which of course he was to a degree), but he was sooo good in the 18/19 season and 19/20, and was an integral part of the team winning the champions league and the league. He made everyone better while also having some good stats for a box to box midfielder.

[@johannespitkamaki1369]

Yeah yah sure sure how many goals he has

[@CarlG-xu6qe]

@@johannespitkamaki1369 football for dummies logic

[@mikeoxlong393]

Tell me his 3 best attributes. Don't mention being a leader/good Captain

[@hriis15]

@@mikeoxlong393 Okay, without one of the 2 most important attributes in football, his ability to pass is great, just don't know why he decided to only hoof this season lol. His crossing is good, good first touch. But technical ability is only a percentage of what makes you a good footballer and depending on your position physical and mental ability is just as important. I will say tho, he has been horrible this season, as the rest of the Liverpool team

[@hastftw_]

Milner>Henderson for me.

[@tmithoth8956]

Robertson is one of the most underrated players in the history of the league.. everyone plaudits mane going forward, vvd defending, fabinho game management, trent creativity... not one of them can perform their role if Robertson ever drops below an 8. He's one of the best defensive fullbacks in the league, and one of the only fullbacks who pushes trent in attacking play. Unbelievable standards... he's gone under the radar so much, and arguably he's the replacement for Wijnaldum in terms of his consistency, and offering so much for the team. Tsimikas would walk into most teams in the Premier league, but because of Robertson he is over gracious for every minute he gets on the pitch. The epitome of professionalism. Great character around the training pitch and for team morale, and similar to Keane in his adamant attitude to never let his standards drop

[@tmagill5022]

Nothing but facts

[@mokkaveli]

I'm an LFC fan and do agree with you to be fair, although it took me a minute to go over. Robertson, even among the LFC fanbase, never gets the credit he's due for how bloody consistent he is. Consistently drops a 7/7.5 every game regardless, one of the best defensive fullbacks in the league like you said and going forward he's always got the energy and technical ability to whip a cross in, make a run in behind to stretch the backline, or have the footballing nouse to wait for a runner in behind to slot in

[@ewanforsyth6075]

Henderson slander is ridiculous 👍 there’s a reason he was the player of the season in the 19/20 season, no one came close to him as a midfielder. Phenomenal both offensively and defensively, his performance vs city at home that year summaries his season, incredibly underrated.

[@jonnstewart2023]

What utter nonsense 😂, they gave it to him simply cuz he was captain and they liked him. No one who actually watched the prem thought he was even a top 10 player let alone the best. Mane, de bruyne, van dijk, trent, Ndidi, Soyuncu, Robertson, allison, fabinho, sterling, Jimenez, Traore,auba, vardy,pulisic were all more consistent and produced more on the pitch.

[@mhbsos2012]

Mitoma should be in the list, he is so good

[@barryg9367]

not gonna discuss an obvious answer

[@jacobmcdermott55]

You're calling him so good and so has everyone else since he's started playing for Brighton. That's hardly a debate

[@hyywe240]

Mitoma is definitely over rated

[@celticbarry9877]

More people need to sign Japanese players, they are crazy good and their League is underrated. Almost every Japanese player in Europe is among their teams best players and most of them weren't even highly regarded in Japan. The technical quality and fitness of them is insane yet their National team seems to prefer work rate and defensiveness over footballing quality.

[@sandg507]

Mitoma is just a japanese welback

[@chadrostowsky7970]

People forget Van Dijk played every single game after an acl injury and was 2 games away from a quadruple. He has so much hate and history will be kind to his legacy.

[@Chris-oz9qx]

Since joining Liverpool VVD has helped Liverpool to 3 CL finals, broken the 90 point barrier 3 times (Ferguson managed it twice with United), 7 votes from winning the Balon d'Or and helped Liverpool to the best defence 3 times in the 5 seasons he was fit.

[@llsmoothtl]

buvey and these can't stomach vvd does most the game better than their rio and vinny, lfc would dominate this league if Uefa and premier managed spending like they're meant to, but instead they get to play career mode with impunity.

[@deni6085]

And he did that whilst having Gomez, Lovren, and Trent as defensive partners.

[@adhemarherrera5964]

@@deni6085 ima chelsea fan and even i can see you cant even compare the spending we have done vs liverpool who hardly do

[@ZeekoRamen]

​@@llsmoothtlI've seen games where Rio and Vidic were getting fisted against attackers.

[@guilhermevieira6010]

@@ZeekoRamen that's because they actually went for the tackle, unlike vvd who cowardly just watches from far.

[@cailan7465]

Really said Van Dijk had a ‘purple patch’ and said he can’t marshal a team, this show needs more balance 🤣

[@captainunderpants2757]

VVD signed for Liverpool in 2017 and lost his first premier league game in Anfield while playing this season vs Leeds. They basically think every player in the history of Liverpool is overrated, can't take them too serious. Didn't that Buvey lad just say Saurez is overrated, what a joker, clueless.

[@no-vk2qe]

​@@captainunderpants2757 im a United fan but Suarez at his peak might have been the greatest player the league had ever seen

[@captainunderpants2757]

@@no-vk2qe He was sick, the joy he brought me in the few years we had him, incredible player that made a great Barca team even better.

[@lucastait6068]

@@captainunderpants2757 again, as a united fan I genuinely believe suarez is the greatest striker to ever play the game. nostalgia will cloud peoples vision, but overall Suarez is absolutely everything you want in a number 9. Never have I seen a better hattrcik of goals than Suarez vs Norwich.

[@bonifaceodoemene6608]

Have always loved match of the day. Even as I grew up in for land MOTD was something I’d always look forward to watch. Even today, it’s one of the first things I look to catch up on Monday mornings. MOTD is top tier

[@um931]

VVD from signing for liverpool to injury he was unreal. He plays in a very attack side unlike terry. But lazy pundits never give his CB partner any credit ever. Matip and Konate are class.

[@lfade9340]

Zaha underrated? Everyone rates him

[@JustinFC_FIFA]

People don't rate him enough

[@timmy5876]

he’s been great the last couple years but other than that he’s been just ok

[@elitelevi2948]

@@jamesgunn7 football is played on a pitch not a spreadsheet

[@joshuaguevara1309]

@@jamesgunn7 only has hit 10 or more all comps 3 times in his whole career. I think he’s overrated he’s 30 now

[@danielmulhern6085]

He’s definitely underrated, he’s easily top 5 wingers in the league and was top 3 last season. Everyone knows he’s good but he’s borderline world class at times

[@tomnicol8927]

to be fair liverpool lost 1 game got like 97 points and didn't win the league

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Jose is underrated, especially by my fellow United fan, Adam. 😐

[@pinealdreams1064]

Between 2007 - 2010 Fletcher was a limited player putting in World-Class performances. He was insane in the Champions League, and a large part of why United made 3 finals out of 4.

[@VWR7.5]

Man United sergi roberto

[@hawkmanson6136]

And why they got beat twice

[@hschsc1300]

@@hawkmanson6136 He did not play in 2009 or 2011.

[@cameronmacdonald7832]

@@hschsc1300try reading the comment again

[@pinealdreams1064]

@@hawkmanson6136 Yeah, the 2009 suspension screwed us majorly.

[@Okayricky]

Adam has a point. I haven’t watched MOTD in years bc I can just watch the highlights on KZbin

[@brynphillips4578]

Jordan Henderson was the 'Captain' but Van Dijk was the Captain The commentators said it themselves when Van Dijk got injured by Pickford... 'Who is going to lead the team now?'... They didn't even acknowledge that the Liverpool Captain Jordan Henderson was still on the pitch!

[@CLDLL-yr8df]

🤡

[@EliteFutBol10]

Sheeesh😂

[@celticbarry9877]

Agree Van Dijk is a real leader and is Liverpools real captain and has been since he stepped through their door.

[@Edessa_G]

I’m with Adam on MOTD. It WAS great, but now, because of all social media and highlights, it’s no longer needed. However, it is a national treasure lol

[@TheIrishdriveby]

But Rory made an excellent point in that there is huge chunk of population that don’t use social media or KZbin, so MOTD is the only opportunity of watching the games, either that or listening to the coverage on the radio.

[@jackhewitt600]

Jordan Henderson is like a James Milner or Gareth Barry. A good solid and reliable midfielder Never world class but did their job and never complained.

[@hamzaesat4085]

Prime Henderson is absolutely quality tbh. Pressing, passing, possession. He fit so well. U can’t compare with Milner/Barry cos Henderson much better technically and in workrate on both ends.

[@Drizzle8481]

Except he was cap of a Champ winner...

[@jonnstewart2023]

​@@hamzaesat4085 Milner at his peak at Aston villa was better than any version of hendo as someone who saw both of most of their careers

[@hamzaesat4085]

@@jonnstewart2023 Henderson captained Liverpool to a Champions League and Premier League…

[@gajogrande]

Mourinho is criminally underrated these days (given everyone says he's finished). He also has the curse of high expectations. Man Utd had a European trophy, not good enough. Had a European trophy with Roma, not good enough. Everybody was talking about Spurs winning the league when they were top of it, like that would ever happen. If i see him talking about football, i am listening.

[@gouravghosh588]

I would love nothing more than Mourinho to win the Europa League this season and win the Italian league in the next couple of seasons. Not sure if he would get the players to win the league but fingers crossed

[@VedranAndonov]

People seem to forget that Henderson was the FWA Footballer of the year for the 19/20 season when Liverpool won the Premier League. Nowadays everyone is looking for the flashy players but Henderson did a lot of the dirty work for Liverpool and was an integral part of the squad for couple of years. He has been in Liverpool for 12 years and has played constantly through major shuffles in the team. That by itself is what makes his career very underrated. His peak may not have been very long but neither were the peaks of some players that he is being compared to. The comparison with Fletcher is laughable to me!

[@vittorio17ish]

Van dijk got his knee destroyed and they pretend it never happened

[@celticbarry9877]

@@thetruth4654 Football has moved on though, the era Van Dijk players or like the last 10 years is almost nothing like the 2000s and that wasnt that long ago. Centre-backs didnt used to need to be fast or good at passing, now they do. Imagine playing a high line with Nesta and Cannavaro, they'd get tore apart as they were average paced/slow. They were the best of their era but football now is completely different to 15 years ago - i'd say especially for centre-backs, them and wide players essentially play totally different football to what guys 15 years ago did. Nesta and Cannavaro now would have succeded in like the Atletico Simeone team from about 5/6 years ago that were really defensive and for the Conte Juventus team. but they would struggle if they played for Barcelona, Liverpool, Man City probably even PSG or Real Madrid.

[@calbaffetimbi148]

Buvey said liverpool fans get gassed over Suarez like how could you not get gassed by possibly the best prem season by anyone player

[@Drizzle8481]

Yet he'll tell you that graelish is world class....

[@NSorSomething]

If Zaha was truly at the level Rory thinks he is, a champions league club would have paid the money for him. But they haven't. He is aptly rated, a star player for an average team.

[@yahmaniprice2587]

I think he’s better than Antony, Martial, Ziyech, Mudryk, Pulisic, Danjuma, Bowen, etc, but they play at Bigger clubs. IMO it’s harder to be a star player at a team where u have no help. Great players look greater with greater players around them that’s just fact.

[@NSorSomething]

@@yahmaniprice2587 They stand out easier too. Some players get the big move but they're out of their depth. Bony had that at Swansea, came to City and wasn't at the level. Andy Carroll. Danny Drinkwater. Shevchenko. Benteke. The list goes on.

[@hamzaesat4085]

@@jamesgunn7 yes, but no sane human is choosing Bowen over Zaha in a team now.

[@hamzaesat4085]

@@NSorSomething Zaha is top draw consistency though, and he does it against the best defenders in the league. He used to have Walker on ropes. The only one who could do that. If you watch him play, you’d know how disrespectful it is to compare him with those names.

[@81stCommander]

​@@yahmaniprice2587 🤣 you couldn't be more wrong.

[@seipelt32]

Did he really go to say saurez was overated by Liverpool fans??

[@jonnstewart2023]

In his last two seasons in the league Suarez was the best player in the league he had one of the greatest peaks we've ever seen in the prem so I've no idea what he's on about

[@eddiemulone9856]

Adam doesn’t rate Van Dijk but says Martinez is the best CB in the prem, make it make sense

[@fivestarman5130]

It's very rich for United fans to praise Martinez and go after Van Dijk after Liverpool put them to the sword and Salah sent the butcher on his ass at Anfield a couple of weeks ago

[@shaunfogarty6038]

Hendersons not underrated currently or previously I think he’s one of the most overrated player to ever play in the Premier League because in 1920 season people were saying that he was better than kdb and he’s just a player who doesn’t excite me

[@TheAmbienceCorner]

I’d have peak Van Dijk over any other peak PL defender.

[@alfie22120]

Darren Fletcher was so underrated for United. Massive big game player for them.

[@jimmyohare8116]

Rice arguably being on a par with Zaha 😂 I love this. Pure entertainment.

[@sfh7371]

Van Dijk a top 15 cb ever in the prem? In 2019 he won UEFA’s the best, PFA POTY, and second in Balon D’or (with a genuine claim of winning it). Have some shame..

[@stephengibbons2260]

McKola is only 33?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@BernardoMartinsMateus]

with a perfect José side, he's 100% winning every trophy

[@jean-paulwalters8855]

You can say that about every world class manager, Ferguson, Pep, Ancelotti etc

[@BernardoMartinsMateus]

@@jean-paulwalters8855 yes, that's my point exactly if you give a top manager the perfect conditions, nothing is stopping them

[@teddyeastside8051]

I guarantee Mourinho could win a league or Champions League with the right team. People talk too much about him and ignore the quality of the players he’s managing. Conte just came off a league win and can’t do anything with Spurs. United spent 600m just to win something Mourinho won there. Roma hadn’t won any trophy for like 15 years and he won one with average players.

[@jean-paulwalters8855]

600m, ETH spent 200m in the summer, nowhere near 600m

[@teddyeastside8051]

@@jean-paulwalters8855 where did I say that Ten Hag spent 600m?

[@jean-paulwalters8855]

@@teddyeastside8051 well there's no point of including Ole's spend, because their different managers, who have different philosophies

[@teddyeastside8051]

@@jean-paulwalters8855 as if having a base of a billion pound squad isn’t helpful 💀💀💀

[@jean-paulwalters8855]

@@teddyeastside8051 most of the top 7/8 teams probably have high £700m - £1bn+ squads, it's the way the PL is, it's the richest league in Europe

[@aaaabbbb2483]

14:50 aah yes 2004 is 25 years ago isn’t it 🤦‍♂️ 😂

[@celticbarry9877]

Kompany is overrated, had very little to do with 7 of the 12 trophies he won at Man City. Played only 1 game in the 2019 FA Cup, 2016 League Cup or 2018 League Cup, did not play the 2019 League Cup final was on the bench aged 32, on the bench in the 2018 Community Shield aged 31, did not even play half the games in 2 of his 4 League wins 17 out of 38 twice. The only wins he ever played in for City in the CL knockout rounds were against Tottenham, Dynamo Kiev, Basel and Schalke. Was knocked out the Europa League by Sporting and Dynamo Kiev. That is not the career of a top 5 defender, imagine Liverpool benching Van Dijk for the League Cup and FA Cup finals last season or Man Utd benching Varane. Would never happen, Kompany is only 36 just now and retired 4 years ago.

[@aspiepilled1505]

Match of the day should be on KZbin live

[@TomValkenburg]

van dijk top 10 like cmon don t try to be different

[@bftb]

Zaha is overrated. He’s a show pony. His output is rank. 89 goals in 470 career appearances. Meh. Danny Welbeck has 87 in 398.

[@madilifa]

Bro Buvey is too funny man constantly instigating and on the wind up. Love it.

[@klopptomisticfreeworld8742]

Pogba (needs the right manager and the right system) 🥱 and Martial (will come good in 2029 the year he finally wins the ballon dor) 🥱

[@mikedevaney3507]

Adam absolutely nailed Jordan Henderson. I said exactly like the boys and went underrated and as soon as Adam spoke I switched haha

[@danielmulhern6085]

Great take from Rory on zaha, been saying he’s a top top player for years

[@LonerLunchTime]

If you have ever seen Zaha play in person you can tell how incredible he is at football, lightning quick feet and he's actually deceptively quiet built. Liverpool fan and I would've taken him at our club any point in the last 5 years, I don't know what's held him back from a big move but hopefully his next contract will be at a CL club

[@FFCFulham94]

Buveys point about match of the day being good for the analysis in a short time period is bang on. The analysis is some of the best from ex pro pundits, it's far better than sky's punditry.

[@Luckipete]

Looking forward to Elliot Anderson being underrated.

[@bobmarshall8527]

Buvey spot on about Liverpool fans gassing up their own players

[@Drizzle8481]

The same guy who days graelish is works class, that ake is better than vvd....

[@chetmanley5031]

I’m from Ohio and watch match of the day and think it’s the most underrated football show I’ve ever seen

[@wh4169]

Ohio

[@chetmanley5031]

@@wh4169 yeah it’s not great here

[@Nightsu]

that 05 chelsea team will always be in every top 5 prem teams. better than the invincibles (theyre overrated)

[@Nightsu]

almost every player in that liverpool team is overrated other than alisson and salah.

[@EliteFutBol10]

Damn

[@derkaiser5183]

Lmao

[@MrLewbaah]

Clueless

[@christianosullivan994]

easy to say that when they’re not performing for the first time in 5 years, but nice take

[@7DGB]

Mourinho hasn't had a fully successful season since 2015 he's currently overrated.

[@Slim-Clips]

Van Dijk is now underrated because of the unmatched standards he set for himself.

[@pacman7687]

Complete opposite. He set very high standards that he now doesn’t reach. He’s still judged by those high standards, therefore he’s overrated.

[@Slim-Clips]

@@pacman7687 Are you mentally deficient? He set standards that no other centre-back has ever set. He was flawless at his best. Him not being at those same standards but still being elite makes him overrated? Nonsense.

[@rufusstewart762]

​@@pacman7687 if you've set new standards that no one else can reach, how can you be overrated? Surely there is no higher way of being rated.... Lol

[@Slim-Clips]

@@rufusstewart762 He’s literally contradicting himself and he doesn’t realise it.

[@pacman7687]

@@rufusstewart762 I never said he set “new standards that no one else can reach” I said he set very high standards, which he did. However he’s now not that guy. He hasn’t been since the injury, yet people still hold him up as if he’s the same player. Therefore he’s overrated, really not hard to understand bro.

[@skgsinc1833]

Mourinho is top 3 managers of all time: 1)Pep 2) Ferguson 3) Mourinho

[@ivanvoronov3871]

Nah. 1)SAF 2)Carlo Ancholoti 3) Jose 4)pep

[@Kains_Gaming_Channel]

Buvy; plays for City, underrated Doesn't play for City, overrated

[@trtorbelfort]

Just in time for the Saturday fixtures. Bournemouth is taking it today

[@joakazia7425]

12:30 best point I’ve ever heard Buvey make tbf

[@niallmurphy401]

The vvd ‘season’ is wonderful. Which one??

[@tomnicol8927]

if u don't have sky or bt match of the day is underrated

[@ThisisJosh7]

I’ve never known football fans genuinely spend hours looking at a defender’s performances to see whether someone took it past them. Van Dijk set a record of 65 games not being dribbled past. He transformed Liverpool. He set a premier league record for most home games unbeaten. He’s good in the air, strong, quick and his passing is quality. He is the only defender to win Uefa Men’s player of the year award and finished runner up for the Ballon d’Or. He’s without any doubt the best, or top 3, PL defenders.

[@123-e6g]

Yeah but the argument against is that he did it for a couple of seasons when his team was extremely dominant. His prime didn't last long

[@robbiecale3327]

He's not one of the best defenders in the league anymore though but Liverpool fans are a bit slow at realising it

[@asddonn]

Without any doubt the best or top 3 pl defenders well is he the best or top 3 ?

[@satyajitbanerjee686]

Top 5 with terry, rio, vidic, kompany

[@5thdawg917]

7:55 So true! I'm with the guy with the red top. I have not watched MoTD since the early 2010s. MoTD is dead. I do not watch it anymore. Highlights are on KZbin, match analysis, use to be good by Shearer, Wright & Hansen. Use to love watching it as a every weekends during the day's we had teletext & before the Internet era came by. Watched it from 00-2013. His right, I am on my 30s too, MoTD is irrelevant. We have podcasts, youtubers that we would rather watch. Only people worth watching MoTD are people who want learn & currently play football so that they can implement the moves etc in their own game.

[@walkermorgan1710]

Is Adam throwing shots at Lolz?

[@jacksmith4460]

Buvey....shhh Henderson was essential to Liverpool's heights he did all the donkey work but also provided quality service to forwards, not so much anymore though

[@MartinKul100]

Van Dijk take is so fucking stupid. Been the best centerback in the league since he arrived at Southampton. Bar this season Liverpool got 90+ points in all his full seasons. Got CL final in his first half season. Got injured; then Liverpool dropped off. He is EASILY top 10 in PL history, and he is top 3 for me. Best ever peak.

[@BilalAli-jz4pm]

i know these guys are unbelievably biased but to say van dijk is not even a top 10 cb in prem history is literally insane

[@fivestarman5130]

No chance someone could name 10 Premier League centre backs better than Van Dijk unless they're solely basing their ranking on longevity. Rio, Terry and Vidic are the only ones who are even in the conversation imo. Kompany outright said Van Dijk is the best PL centre back of all time. In terms of ability and skill, Van Dijk is easily Top 5. In terms of how good he was at his peak, there's an argument that he's the best out of all of them. The only thing that most other great PL centre backs have over VVD is longevity. Very few of them came close to the same heights he accomplished

[@jensblok5571]

yea hes probably 9th or 10th

[@BilalAli-jz4pm]

@@jensblok5571 who do you think are the 8/9 better than him?

[@deni6085]

​@FiveStarMan Maldini even said VVD at his peak was the best defender he's ever seen, yet we got these folk saying he isn't even top 10 in the Prem. Just lol.

[@exodiusow7649]

he played like a top 10 cb for 1 season, it's form not class

[@Drizzle8481]

Buvey said vvd was top 15 all time, but somehow is overrated to say he's the best now..... are any of the other top 15 currently playing???

[@sibusisojack-ui9tz]

In my opinion the boys got it spot on VVD ain't no where near top 7 . 2. To be honest Mourinho is very underrated I'd have him in the top 5 of all time 3.

[@snookerstones]

Love the snooker talk

[@si_quest]

Adam right on every single on of them

[@aesopsock7447]

Adam gave some great nuance on this one.

[@skitzouk]

Adam needs to understand not that many people live on youtube like he does

[@alexfielding7191]

Before Fletcher had IBS he was definitely comparable to peak Henderson. He wasn't world class in pure talent or ability but he still bossed midfields and had one hell of an engine, he was the guy who would cover the more attacking players and allowed them to stay forward. MOTD is overrated, I haven't watched in over a year. The pundits talk absolute nonsense and most of the time they are wrong about decisions and the analysis of the game. BBC would save so much money just ditching them and running the highlights with commentary.

[@UnbiasedGooner]

Hate when you guys use random players as an example for why another player isn’t as important as others think. Buvey really said wes brown was part of the great man United sides hence Jordan Henderson shouldn’t be very highly rated. Brown was a squad player, that got a run in now and then. Henderson captained his side during one of the most dominant eras we’ve seen from a club in the premier league. Started week in week out. Clutch goals. Clutch assists. Worked TIRELESSLY to protect the back four and specifically TAA every single game. Only for him to be mentioned in the same breath as Wes brown is an absolute disgrace. And I’m an arsenal fan so you can’t say I’m a butthurt Liverpool fan lol.

[@mikehunt6195]

I’m telling you now, Adam doesn’t like MOTD because he hasn’t got a Man U pundit gassing up Man U at every single chance

[@AA-xb6vx]

This show needs a Liverpool fan to provide some balance. Let’s be honest, having a United and City fan ain’t going to give any balance. Rory is a Chelsea fan and is usually not biased when it come to other players outside of his team. Despite some crazy takes at times. VVD 2017-2020 was the best defender in the world and by a country mile. He had a majorly knee injury. An ACL to be precise. Pre injury for those 3 years on form was within top 10 of all those past players you mentioned so stop the 🧢 guys. And if he continued that form Pre injury for another 4 years he would have been top 3 of all times. Coming from a Liverpool fan who is not biased, his injury has unfortunately finished him. Similar to how that knee injury finished Torres. Thing is a finished VVD is still better than most defenders, which goes to show how good he was/is. He is just nowhere near the level he was pre ACL. As for Buvey he is as delusional as they come. You know what Saurez achieved in his career? For a while he outshone Messi at Barcelona and Messi even said that himself. Not to mention the number of goals he went on to score for Barcelona and the quality of goals. That one season in the league where he was probably best player in the world was sensational. At least try and provide some unbiased opinions outside of your United and City rhetoric!

[@AndersonOliveira-yd2nj]

Adam sticking it in for that Sevilla witch they lost againg after Jose was gone. Watch out lads how he is going to flip it when ETH loses to Sevilla.

[@guilhermevieira6010]

Will you still be here when utd beats sevilla?

[@roverteam4914]

He is always salty about Jose ...If he wins the league with Roma, it would be a miracle....If he manages Inter, he would still win the league....It really depends on the club he is at....I'm sure if Jose manages, Leeds, people would still say he should win.....These people don't know the context..grouping everything into a bundle..

[@wb2217]

This narrative that VVD has only had 2 good seasons is honestly so odd. His last 18 months at Southampton he was one of the best CBs in the league - hence why Guardiola and Klopp were both desperate for him and he was bought for a world record fee for a CB. He then totally transformed a really poor Liverpool defence into one of the best in the world and was key into us reaching the CL final in 2018 - he also got in 17/18 PL TOTS. He then won FIFA POTY, came 2nd in the Balon Dor, won PL POTY, got MOTM in the CL final and was in UEFA and PL TOTY in 18/19. He then won the league and never got dribbled past ONCE in 19/20 (do you realise how insane that is a CB playing on the halfway line every game) - also got in PL and UEFA TOTY again. Next season done his ACL - came back in 21/22, played every single game after an injury that bad, nearly won the quadruple and got in UEFA and PL TOTY AGAIN. So in 6 years that’s 4 PL TOTS and 3 UEFA TOTY and that’s with one of the worst injuries you can get sprinkled inbetween - so I’m struggling to see how Buvey has that down as one good season?? Okay he’s not been nowhere near his best this season - but you can’t claim ‘2 good YEARS’ doesn’t make him world class but a poor 6 months in a really struggling team with no midfield automatically makes me him overrated. I think any CB in history would struggle playing for Liverpool this season. Come on lads he’s in a different league to the likes of Sol Campbell and is quite comfortably in top 5 PL CBs of all time. In my opinion only John Terry can speak to him.

[@rohanmodi6839]

Kompany said van Dijk is the best cb the prem has ever seen btw. For longevity van Dijk clearly isn't up there, however his peak is the highest. Terry was dropped by various managers and then finally refound form when Mourinho came back and parked the bus but apparently he was always amazing. Deluded bunch

[@olivernewton8584]

As a wolves fan my bias kicked in and I'm salty they didn't talk more on neves

[@shaun5755]

It's against the way Liverpool want to do things, but I'd take Mourinho at Liverpool after Klopp, everyone hates us anyway when the ideology of the club is to play tough but fair etc, With Mourinho we could actually be villains and I'd sort of love it, and he'd get the most out of Liverpool fans as long as we embrace him, Klopp gets the passion out the fans but Mourinho would get fire

[@Mango92]

Is it a green screen or they actually got a set?

[@ashvalkyriee]

how is jordan henderson underrated if he won the pl player of the year when he wasnt even the best henderson in the league lmao

[@anandmahamuni5442]

Can someone actually list out 'World Class' Jordan Henderson performances?

[@liamdurks90]

I was thinking this exact thing. No one can tell me 'that game' with Henderson

[@atangbingana283]

Adam is smoking as usual Darren fletcher 😂

[@nightgazer5780]

It depends how we mean in overrated or underrated in regards to Henderson. He’s admittedly declined, but people have only begun to see him as any good in his prime years in retrospect. His technical ability during the prime Klopp years leading up to the CL win was, I’m sorry to say, world class. There’s a reason he was up for POTY. His technical ability, possession based football, pressing, energy and captaincy made him one of the best midfielders in the league. Now, this is also important to note however - Henderson would also only work in the Liverpool system as well as he did. The difference between say, KDB or even prime Jorginho as opposed to Henderson is that they would pretty much get into most teams in the world and make them better. The same cannot be said for Henderson, because while he is Klopps dream player for the ‘heavy metal’ football style he plays, Henderson at say, City where it’s dependant on slow build up play and surrounding the box would not work near as well, and he would be decidedly average - able to do the job, but nothing spectacular. All this to say, Henderson isn’t a spectacular footballer. But he’s an amazing athlete. He will however always be underrated for one reason - he’s not Gerrard. He was never supposed to replace him, but people will always compare the two because of the captaincy brand. It’s the reason most people complain about Henderson as a focus whenever Liverpool are losing, but for me (and this will be controversial) - Henderson is more important to Klopp’s Liverpool then Gerrard ever was to his Liverpool.

[@coltLFC]

I'm damn sure I just witnessed Henderson boss United midfield off the park.

[@garvanch9684]

Fletcher was world class and I’d take Wes Brown over most defenders in the premier league. SAF had huge trust in both those players for a very specific reason, because they were fucking immense for United and showed passion.

[@branaldinho]

Henderson captained Liverpool to a ucl and premier league whilst being one of the most consistent and important players in that team. Definitely not one of the best midfielders in prem history perhaps. But deserves more respect.

[@taylena1235]

Mourinho is defo top 5 ever of my life time

[@lucashubmann8355]

Porto won the CL 25 years ago? lol

[@GDogLFC]

Prior to the terrible injury VVD suffered due to Pickford ridiculous tackle, VVD was in the mix for best CB in prem. No question. Seems everyone has suddenly forgot about the bad injury he suffered when judging him now.

[@Allwin-lz6yj]

Underrated or overstep true geordie 😊

[@dilan4123]

VVD supposedly not in top 5 or 10 is all you need to know about the credibility of these 3. He may not be no.1 but he is without doubt one of the best CB’s we’ve seen in the modern era. I’ve never seen another CB strike fear into opposition players in the way that VVD did and how sometimes opposition players would be too scared to run at him and run away

[@TSF15152]

What for 2-3 years

[@NoahWhoa]

Off the top of my head... Rio, Vidic, Bruce, Stam, Campbell, Carvalho, Desially, Adams,Terry and Kompany have better legacys than VVD. VVD undoubtedly had the best calendar year a PL defender has ever had but that's about it... All the players I mentioned played in a era that had much more World Class strikers than the era VVD played in. Some of them had to play against 4-4-2's most weeks.

[@captainunderpants2757]

@@NoahWhoa In what sense? are you talking about TEAM accolades or natural abilty?

[@NoahWhoa]

@@captainunderpants2757 Its just based on the impression that they left on the league and how strong of a forward era that they played in... If VVD retires tomorrow he's definitely top 15 without a doubt, possibly even top 12!! VVD's legacy as of now is finishing 2nd in the Ballon d'Or one year, which is mental but other defenders have better legacies imo. VVD is still writing his story, so he could easily crack the top 10 when he actually retires. However I think top 5 is a bit too much and is highly unlikely.

[@dilan4123]

@@NoahWhoa You make a good point but VVD also plays in an era where football is more on the front foot and much more attacking than in the past. Football has come along way since and is much more progressive so tailored more towards attacking football which makes the defending even more impressive when done well

[@zakmeleady2293]

People forget that Henderson was in contention for PFA player of the year and lost to KDB, he was World class that season

[@jonnstewart2023]

Revisionist ass history he got it as a feel good story he wasn't even a top 20 player in terms of actual performance leaving out the whole mentality bullocks

[@c3920]

Rory was projecting pretty hard about the “63 year old cab driver who doesn’t have Twitter” watching MOTD. 😂

[@OAP823]

The fact that helmet was about to use suarez as an overrated example tells anyone all they need to know about these fellas opinions

[@ZeekoRamen]

I think Vidic, Rio and Kompany were all overrated as well. Virgil before his injury was the best CB in the world and his form would've continued. Not saying he IS the best ever but was for 2-3 seasons than any other defender. Not to mention he helped us get to countless finals and got us the most points in a Prem season.

[@celticbarry9877]

Kompany especially, he was injured almost his whole time at City. Half the trophies he won at City he wasn't even playing regularly.The two seasons he played the most games for Man City 2009 and 2011 he didn't win anything. He won the FA Cup in 2019 by only playing 1 game in the tournament, the final and only played because it was against Watford who they beat 6-0, won the League Cups in 2016 and 2018 only playing in 1 game also both times. They didnt play him in the League Cup final in 2019, they benched him because they were playing Chelsea in it - baring in mind he was only 32 at the time. He essentially had little to nothing to do with 7 of the 12 trophies he won at City, the League in 2018 and 2019, the FA Cup in 2019, the League Cups in 2016, 2018 and 2019 and the Community Shield in 2018 where he was on the bench.

[@domjuan9422]

Adam saying MOTD is no good for analysis anymore then saying VVD isn’t too 10 CB 😂 I love the channel and KZbin but sometimes people need to realise they’re FANS and be humble enough to understand pros know the game more than you

[@whyareyoudoingthis4849]

14:45 Porto won the CL 19 years ago, but yeah - Mou is top 5 all time no doubt

[@joshuamills1296]

If VVD is one the best ever CBs to play in the Prem then what is Thiago Silva?