The Absolute State Of Star Wars

[@LilBabyPenguin0x]

Since Disney bought SW, I went from anxious trepidation, to hesitant optimism, to disappointing betrayal, and finally, apathetic indifference.

[@BBBrasil]

true progression, the force is strong in you.

[@ericfrancisco6615]

That's pretty apt description of the true fanbase. Thankfully for those of us with physical media, we'll never lose the beloved but displaced EU and stories from that time.

[@quartqwertbudisgood]

The second Stan lee stepped out they were doomed, whole company is corporate drones now and drones would rather run off a cliff holding a “proven formula” than take the slightest creative risk.

[@LordFalconsword]

You forgot rage after betrayal as we were told it was >us< that was the problem because we're toxic fans for wanting what Star Wars was at its core for 40 years before this feckless fucktards bought it.

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

It does kind of feel like we went through the 5 stages of grief.

[@greenflagracing7067]

Disney not having a coherent three-movie storyline before filming the first movie and not having a reunion of arguably the three most beloved sci-fi characters in history was inextricably stupid beyond belief.

[@417fga]

👏 yes 😂

[@cmorrow74]

That’s what happens when you develop a “Too big to fail” mentality. When you think you can do no wrong, you lose the ability to care about your product. Or your fanbase.

[@gothamgoon4237]

That's were the personal political beliefs of those in charge interfered with the creative aspect of the show and replaced it to deliver their "message" so no actual coherent story that made any sense was ever envisaged.

[@sicksock435446]

Classic symptom of "design by committee", an actual writer would have a plan in mind for the story and characters, with setup and payoff. The committee doesnt have any real plans or ideas.

[@saintuk70]

You know what... I didn't think the sequels truly needed to follow LLH, we didn't need sequels - that was such a lazy choice. The Return of the Jedi ended with a "And they all lived happily ever after", like old stories used to. I really think we could and should have got a KOTR style set of movies.

[@grendel20]

'Remember when geek culture was reserved for actual geeks who cared about the subject matter rather than political activists...." That's a really great quote

[@PhilfreezeCH]

Now personally I would argue Star WARS might have been political from the beginning, which obviously isn‘t bad or good by itself, you still need to make a good movie besides that.

[@Darth_Lex]

​@PhilfreezeCH Never looked at Star Wars being anything political. I see it now with the new Disney stuff.

[@Darth_Lex]

I had a couple of typos.

[@cooginald]

@@PhilfreezeCH Making a film political with subtlety and good writing isn't inherently bad. When it's in your face and ham-fisted is when it starts to make the film feel like soulless shit.

[@aleksandra7696]

It was but maybe less "into face" or just those politcial allegories just got lost in time. And I think that isn't bad to have some political stuff in movies (more like it's even impossible to don't have any) but they really need to learn how to make it more subtle and not over the place

[@loukitmyname]

Problem with the big corporations are: they essentially buy franchises as properties and instead of trying to appeal to their the fans which make ( and more importantly, keep) them relevant; they try to alienate them as fast as possible. This happened with the DCEU, MCU, Star Wars, Star Trek and who knows what else. In pursuit of profits, they essentially kill the essence of these franchises. Is is any wonder that almost no body like these corporations anymore?

[@mikoto7693]

Exactly. They alienate the fans that made these IPs popular in the mistaken belief that they have to take the IP and make it palatable for the “mainstream” general public. Problem is that the mainstream were never interested in the first place and changing it ruins it for the original fanbase.

[@CyberWarrior007]

truer words have been spoken. You are wise young Buddha

[@danielschoch4881]

They sold their souls to the devil.

[@benjaminbadger8235]

Respectfully, I would disagree with your last assertion. If profit was what they were after they would have stopped this train when they found there were no profits to be had. I would argue that they killed these franchises because of pride and jealousy. Pride in that they wanted something they created themselves to be successful and beloved; Jealousy because they knew nothing they created could do nearly as well as a franchise that already existed.

[@Noodles.Doodles]

Minimum effort, maximum return. It's like fished-out fisheries, chopped-down forests, or drained and polluted waterways. Who needs conservation of a renewable resource, when you can just move on to the next thing? If they invested in long-term profits, they'd have to wait, and wouldn't see their net worth go up faster than other rich people 📈.

[@Gigamyt3]

To me, Star Wars died the moment they announced that the EU was non-canon after the Disney merger. Not only did Disney throw away their cheat sheet for pre-established lore, but also willfully threw away many people's hard work, while Kathleen Kennedy can prop up her narcissistic self-interest fan fictions. That just doesn't sit right with me.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

Lucas would have done it for his sequel trilogy, a sequel where there's no thrawn or jacen.

[@darthgamer9861]

@@EternalEmperorofZakuulwhy is it whenever anyone takes Disney to task, one of you HAS to insert George into it?

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

@@darthgamer9861 because Lucas had ideas for his prequels which included Maul and his Apprentice Darth talon being the bad guys, which Disney ignored. You know what his sequel trilogy would be about right

[@MarklovesAngels]

TOTALLY agree. When I read that announcement back in the day, I thought it was a dick move on many levels. A slap to the writers, the fans, everyone who'd invested emotional energy into it. That's why I haven't seen any Star Wars content since 2005. They took the work of their betters and ignored it, thinking they could produce superior work in only a single year what had taken years to build.

[@JonathonSantiago]

The funny thing, is that when they announced EU exclusion, I wasn't all that upset, because I never thought most (some were excellent) of them were good enough to stand toe to toe with the OG SW stories, but now I'd BEG to have the EU used as a blueprint, because however little I thought of it back in the day, those stories are LIGHT years ahead of whatever the mess they've made is now. Woof.

[@michielayers3692]

Evil cannot create, it can only Destroy or corrupt- Tolkien

[@tigrecito48]

after that he started talking about Israel and the American Empire

[@steveshirley2250]

-The Bible*

[@UltimateShow860]

Rich and stupid makes you automatically evil? Why did no one tell me!? Sorry Bruce Wayne, you played for the wrong side.

[@theonlyMoancore]

Hitler is one of the most evil people in history, but he was the reason VW was created and Porsche was able to actually take off, which VW has done a LOT for the car industry, and he created a stable economy for Germany after WW1 (even though he got it pretty much destroyed from WW2 anyway). Evil CAN create, but that doesn't make someone not evil.

[@quaker5712]

Imagination requires a soul. Destruction only requires a body.

[@Jevans3141]

Disney is dead to me. I'm done. I vote with my dollars, and it's a hard pass on all of their trash at this point.

[@matthewmagda4971]

Best comment.

[@dylanwright625]

Disney was so big to me I've not only seen every movie from Snow White to present day multiple times, my kids have too. Pixar was always pure gold from childhood to adulthood. Now? Eh, I don't even care for modern Pixar, I'm the only one in our family that watched Strange World (or whatever) and that was difficult to get through Its sad how bad it's become, I still hold hope it'll eventually go back to the roots, but it's definitely not there now and it's so bad the Disney logo has become "yeah, not watching that".. which kinda hurts to acknowledge.

[@SGxShadow]

That is literally the only power we have. I will not be renewing my Disney+ once it expires. I will not be buying any merchandise or visiting any of their theme parks.

[@albertosillywhips7281]

Nice. I've been waiting to see this comment. Fans complain, but they still line up for this trash. I know that lots of youtubers keep saying that the new trilogy "failed," but the reality is that each movie made more than a billion dollars at the box office alone.

[@daneoman1000]

Same 100% done with SW series and films, D+ cancelled too

[@MarcEsadrian]

How do you fix Star Wars? 1. Move it away from Disney. 2. Reboot the entire thing, with a new sophistication and depth.

[@POTC_Oscarandfriens2.0]

and remove every bad show/film from it.

[@Cybeldar]

God, can you imagine Rey trying to train a new generation of Jedi? Padawan: What lesson today, master. Rey: No lessons, you're just going to pick up this lightsaber and be the bestest ever. Just like I did.

[@pawsomelabrastead9244]

Or it'll be a little boy complaining, "but how can I be as good as you cause I'm not a girl?" Rey, "well you can be silly!" *shudders*

[@starfox300]

"Use the power hidden deep within your 2 X chromosomes."

[@johnwaxman555]

Marey Sue: Well, padawan, today it will be gender studies, intersectional feminism and critical race theory.

[@reaperezekial5168]

@@johnwaxman555We just won’t talk about sidelining Finn as a potential Jedi. Because reasons. 🤣😂

[@eintypeinty9262]

You kinda have to time skip past rey to make any kinda story worthwhile. I made up a story of a cain and abel type where one padawan kills the master of the two that was trained by rey, and the other padawan becomes a leader of the new republic and tries to hunt the other down to thwart the dark side. The evil one builds a pirate empire that uses the same hit and run tactics of the resistance, but for the dark side, and works to build his own empire within the republic. He's also driven further and further to the dark side because of his relationships, and the deaths that occur from the good padawan's doing (the good padawan kills the apprentice of the dark one). I just made that up one day, and i feel like it's a better story than any dogshit disney will pump out for a while.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Remember the wise words of Rich and Mike: _"How does it feel to have lived long_ _enough to see all your favorite_ _franchises go down in flames?"_

[@0That_Guy0]

The wild grin as he said it made it perfect: «Feels _great_ !» 😂

[@ForgottenHonor0]

"Feels great."

[@TheGoodLuc]

Bitter.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@0That_Guy0 Hanging on a quiet desperation is the fandom's way. The time's up, our franchises over, even SEGA won't be safe...

[@Mrnumber]

Heh heh, I got that PF reference@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370

[@dadocta5168]

Somehow there are people on Twitter/X that still savagely defend Disney Star Wars. Absolute insanity.

[@richardhockey8442]

they can join the Flat Earthers and the 'The Moon Landings were faked' crowd

[@ivankraljevic1]

Well imagine that noise translates to money. I can't either.

[@Valmitic]

It's Twitter. What do you expect?

[@alex1vid]

I get it though. If you grew up in the 80s or had older siblings that did there's a charm and memory to that time period and the original film and story. And sometimes those memories can be really strong and attach to a positive time for people. For some of them maybe it's saying "No! Star Wars is still awesome."- subconsciously meaning the original 3 vs. the last few installments/spin-offs, etc. They defend it because it's still holds the name. Could be totally wrong though... and certainly some people actually love the way it is today. I don't like it - I found it unwatchable, but hey...

[@jimmy22334]

They just can't admit their favorite franchise has turned to shit so they'll defend it forever. The people who genuinely believe every show they've put out is good are either Disney shill bots or stupid as fuck.

[@hashtagfilm]

The Chris Stuckman shade was just 👌👌👌👌👌

[@bydlaq]

Time?

[@kswitch87]

@@bydlaq 3:18

[@Sp00kercy]

What's the beef with Stuckmann? Have I missed something?

[@lawlessx9]

What's going on with chris? Why are people suddenly talking about him?

[@DubcityTX]

Stuckman isn't bad. He's just milquetoast and gives too much leniency to the modern cults warping everything movie related. He's one of those guys that won't ever get canceled because he won't every say anything provocative or controversial.

[@gracehinkle3623]

No one is probably gonna see this, but i just wanna say that its actually devastating to see where the franchise has gone. I want it dead. I will never stop being a fan of the Star Wars that was, but I'd prefer a franchise that was dead over a franchise that keeps ruining what once was great. Edit: for those who keep assuming I'm one of those people who thinks Star Wars has been dead since the OT, you're wrong. I can fully acknowledge from a filmmaking perspective that the Prequels are not good, but I also know from my own experience of storytelling, looking into it more, talking with others and hindsight that the Prequels were made with more heart and are *fundamentally* better for *Star Wars* than the Sequels. The Prequels were poorly executed, but had good material that barely messed with the OT. As shown through how consistent the story is if you want 1-6 in order and simply pay attention to the literal story and not the theatrics, and also demonstrated how great things can be done with the Prequels material if you do it differently (both of the Clone Wars shows). The Sequels were made to be a copycat of the OT, which works for filmmaking and some fans, but is lazy and heartless. Then when they tried to do new stuff, they actively shat on what was established in the OT and disrespected the legacy of many beloved characters. And they weren't able to justify this with cool world building or having newer better characters, it all is just bad. I know that's already long, but I could go into so much more detail on this as someone who genuinely did my research on this stuff. All I meant was that regardless whether you like the OT or the Prequels, the simple fact is Disney has made the franchise even worse and I just don't want to see them keep tripping over the same corpse.

[@finkamain1621]

Same. Other than myself despising Disney, I really do not like the new "fans". They'll push anyone out who has been fans for decades all because people don't like Disney Star Wars. I'll stick to the Skywalker Saga and that's it

[@albertosillywhips7281]

So are you going to watch the new Star Wars movie and/or TV show? I'm willing to be that you've seen everything that Disney has released. If you don't want garbage, stop paying for it.

[@gracehinkle3623]

@@albertosillywhips7281 I haven't seen anything Disney Star wars since the sequel trilogy. I don't even have Disney plus. Please don't be an asshole and assume stuff

[@gracehinkle3623]

@@finkamain1621 yeah. I think personally the fandom has always been a bit "trigger happy" for lack of a better word (prequels vs ot or who shot first sorta stuff), but the new fans definitely are.... Something. Silver lining is that the new material has brought a lot of old fans of different parts of Star wars together :)

[@Undomaranel]

Ah, the necromancer's bane...

[@BattleDamageProps]

I'm a fan of the brave and bold direction that they went with for the sequel. Turn a Billion Dollar franchise into a Million Dollar franchise is a bold plan.

[@thorin1045]

and they only needed a few females, just like how a wife can turn a man to a millionaire.

[@dexlab7539]

Disney CEOs made Billions instead 😂

[@Keverember]

Bold of you to assume the Rey Palpatine movie will make millions

[@BattleDamageProps]

@Keverember hahaha. You're not wrong. Personally, I've been done with stat wars since The last Jedi, The rise of Skywalker took away my anger and frustration and replaced it with disinterest. The rest of the Fandom has gotten there. It hit some of us sooner. Marvel did the same thing to me over the kast couple of Years.

[@venomtron]

You could say they subverted expectations.

[@Akaarei]

I've been watching the 1992 Batman animated series lately, since they've been added to Netflix. I've noticed a couple of things. 1st, he gets beaten a whole lot. He's not invincible, not physically and certainly not mentally. This does wonders for you to care about the character. 2nd, the show is intended for 7 year olds and yet it doesn't shy away from exploring difficult themes like blaming yourself for something out of your hands, questioning your self-worth or the value of learning from your mistakes. And 3rd - there's a bunch of strong female characters that do not achieve that status by demeaning men or by being invulnerable Mary Sues. People know how to make good stories. They know that they know that. And yet, today we're still getting garbage after garbage after garbage...

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

All of those Bruce Timm run animated DC shows were great. I still watch Justice League and Justice League Unlimited all the time.

[@jakquinn4207]

Funny thing about kids is they’re actually quite clever, and can often handle these larger questions and lessons and what better way to communicate them than through comics and hero’s? I worry so very much for the kid growing up today, because what lessons are the same avenues of media teaching them today? Nothing good I’d venture.

[@RyanBLKST]

Star wars fans are not women haters, it's quite easy to write good sci fi women leads. Look at "The expense", Avasarala is such a powerful woman leader.. I could follow her anywhere. Camina is also excellent, a character with flaws and strengths.

[@PeterPan-cy7oy]

yeah kids are not little adult there kids . there are not dumb specially with handle emotions but oh boy the next 2-3 decades we have to be strong

[@Coburnify]

There are literally a ton of fantastic women characters in star wars book series. A ton.. and get this they could literally copy the books 1:1 and have great stories.. but they won't! Ha they'll make something new and fuck it up and for the life of me I just don't get it. Like just copy and paste and you'll be so successful. But nooo.. "we think the universe needs a woman who..: like stfu. focus on the story! Damn.

[@oddmanout8692]

We were the outsiders and we were tormented for our love of Star Wars and then it was mainstreamed to be made "for everyone". Now, were the outsiders and were tormented for our love of Star Wars.

[@kevinhixson1586]

"The illusion free choice".

[@Jabullz]

If you told me as a kid that I would one day come to a point where I was not only unhappy with the releases of new SW stuff, but apathetic, I would call myself a Sith.

[@sanguine2552]

Lmao I’m just laughing at Chris stuckmann catching strays 😂 does anyone know if him and drinker have beef or something? Is there some movie reviewer drama going on?

[@andycopeland7051]

It's tragic. I was raised on star wars and spent my whole childhood and young adulthood reading EU novels and geeking out discussing all things star wars. If you had told me as a child that there'd be all these movies and TV shows--almost too many to keep track of--I'd have been ecstatic! Wouldn't be able to stand waiting all those years to finally see them! Its incredibly sad that for what now feels like a long time I have been completely tuned out on all things star wars. Got the original six films on DVD and a ton of paperbacks that my children will be able experience. That's enough. My little daughter is almost 3 and we have this newish star wars storybook that outlines each of the movies and mommy and I always make sure we finish before we get to the disney crap. I oughta just cut those pages out. My children will be told disney star wars is not actual SW and will not watch them. I'll teach them to laugh at and ridicule the whole body of Disney's Lucasfilm work.

[@stoopidpursun8140]

If you told me as a kid that I would one day regard Mark Hamill as an insane garbage person driven to disgusting behavior over his hate for a single person I would have considered you to be a lying madman. But well... here we are.

[@sethottoman2588]

@@sanguine2552 There's no beef between them chris stuckmann just became a hollywood shill recently when he realized he was destined to be a director. He became untrustworthy and twisted after his woke change of personality and career getting sold out and goes on praising any woke disney/Hollywood low budget clusterfuck. Wore the pride rainbow shirt the whole queer month and came out as bi whilst having 2 kids and a wife Just became unwatchable with his propaganda reviews

[@JonathanGaeta]

This makes me appreciate the Sith even more now

[@Jimmie2429]

When the priorities are activism, box checking, diversity, equity and inclusivity instead of quality writing, good acting and solid story telling, it’s not surprising the final product is crap, that is when Disney actually manages to finish an announced project.

[@rpgadventurer32]

It's also the change of the franchise at its core, they changed it from an action adventure boys franchise into a intersectional feminist platform.

[@fredstriker2042]

All by design

[@albertosillywhips7281]

Stop. Giving. Your. Money. To Disney.

[@JetBazooka21]

After The Last Jedi I checked out

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

Same.

[@alphavegas1]

Exactly

[@bogyomentol6331]

i quit at Leia resurrection scene, we just walked out from the cinema

[@MisterAnderson-rr8ec]

Yep, I gave them a pass on ep 7, after last jedi I decided there are only ep 1-6, everything else is not star wars

[@proto6948]

I cant even remember when I did. Maybe Mando S2? I know it was before Kenobi and Boba Fett but the fact that I cant even remember and it wasnt all that long ago, is not good

[@MrMoridinalthor]

They've gotten to a point where it's not even worth the time to pirate, let alone pay money for.

[@clydesdalejr.9774]

Disney literally had the easiest lay-up. There are over 300 StarWar EU novels where they could pull strong female characters from. Instead, they went for the dunk and airballed. It would have been the easiest cash grab in history.

[@ChineduOpara]

Well, they had to put a chick in it and make her GAY! 😂

[@cc0767]

KKs "there is no material to adapt" also massively pissed off even the most loyal star wars fans of old. I also dont get it, Mara Jade, Nathasi Daala etc are all way cooler characters than any women disney ever wrote..

[@donovanwilliams5424]

They took Thrawn and because they are too dumb to write such a clever character, made him look like a moron with a fancy vocabulary.

[@markiangooley]

EU means sharing money with people you consider nobodies. They will never do that.

[@ChineduOpara]

I quoted something from South Park... something with the word G.A.Y in it, and my comment got deleted. WTF is going on with YT algorithm

[@chance_ondriezek99]

I’m calling it now. The Rey spinoff film will be the Star Wars equivalent to The Marvels.

[@ShinbrigTV]

And I'm here to see Disney have another implosion and not learn any of their lessons.

[@FTChomp9980]

You might be onto something here.🤔

[@proto6948]

I think itll be better and worse in some ways. Better in the sense that itll likely have a higher production value than the marvels cause Rey is KK's baby but worse in the sense that the writing will be awful, average acting, and an even worse bastardization of a franchise

[@MurrayLime]

women are terribly written in movies....nothing feels earned...

[@proto6948]

@@MurrayLime in most movies yeah and thats because they arent written to be people, theyre written to be a message disguised as a person. I saw this a lot in a broader sense with Christian movies growing up because they would disguise sermons as movies. Its the same thing just on a character level with a different ideology.

[@jamememes4114]

"the idea of an older and wiser Rei passing on her had-won wisdom and insight to a next generation of Jedi, bridging the gap between past and future and allowing Star Wars to finally progress beyond the Skywalker saga" is Rei doing exactly what Luke should have done in the sequels. Same with Ahsoka's entire storyline, ripped off and mangled from Luke's character in Heir to the Empire. 30+ years, and the only thing they can do is steal from the characters they so much want gone.

[@hankkingsley9183]

If you challenge someone to tell you Luke Skywalkers backstory...most can do it in a few sentences. What is Rei's backstory?

[@dodywidodo9433]

@@hankkingsley9183she’s a………… Mary Sue? Product of Darth Kennedy

[@ZanderFoulner]

Wanted to milk one last time.GLAD Carrie didNT SEE

[@NopeNaw]

Wisdom and insight are not qualities I would attribute to Rey Palpatine.

[@getmurked6859]

She’s an alien who was birthed from an egg. And her power level is over 9000

[@Flash4ML]

The only bad thing about Andor is the fact that it has the “star wars show” label. Give credit where credit is due, Tony Gilroy and his team have done something special there

[@braxxian]

Andor was outstanding. How on earth it even managed to get made at todays Lucasfilm still baffles me. Kennedy must have been distracted at that time by other things and actually allowed the show running to make a good show without her “expert” advice.

[@humansvd3269]

Andor builds Star Wars lore in a good way. I liked it.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

​@@humansvd3269Andor crew borderline sounds like the only people capable of adapting Kotor or making a spin off. I just hope that if this becomes true it disincentivizes EA from dropping Bioware and maybe even gets a good Kotor 3 (or 4 if you count the MMORPG as Kotor 3) started.

[@Yeastextract]

Andor was dogshit

[@humansvd3269]

@Yeastextract no it wasn't. I lived seeing the background world being built and the regular people of star wars living in the age of the empire

[@jaegerbomb269]

I'd pay money for Disney to just stop at this point.

[@paulcarmi8130]

We do not negotiate with tourorists (spelled wrong because youtube)

[@NarwahlGaming]

Just like with politicians. At this point, I would rather they draw their entire salaries and spend their entire terms on vacation. At least they wouldn't be able to do any more harm.

[@blueshellhater1845]

And they would launch a subscription model so you'd have to pay monthly for them not to release anything. This thing is rotten beyond its core

[@scottmcfadyen293]

They won't because they are taking your tax dollars to keep it going. the corporations own the government by the way.

[@kittybrowneye3163]

I have to say to use drinkers analogy. Me and my wife spent our entire 20s together, broke up badly around 30 and couldn't even be in the same room without bickering immediately, 5 years later married 2 daughters surprising comebacks happen but I'm not betting on Disney

[@GIBBO4182]

I genuinely feel sorry for SOME of the actors. It’s tough to turn Star Wars down, and they just keep getting awful scripts, with terrible characters to play!

[@harryhoudini714]

what "actors"? you mean the bunch of diversity quotas? yeah, big loss there!

[@GIBBO4182]

@@harryhoudini714top of the list is Mark Hamill mate, doesn’t really fit your narrative though…

[@docsavage8640]

@GIBBO4182 Mark Hamill is a horrible person.

[@_Jay_Maker_]

@@GIBBO4182Mark Hamill could've said "No," particularly after reading how they destroyed his iconic character. But he didn't. He's just as guilty. Which should be unsurprising considering the kind of person he's turned out to be.

[@GIBBO4182]

@@_Jay_Maker_ how was he supposed to know what they were going to do with his character? Remember he would’ve signed up for the trilogy when the scripts hadn’t even been written for the movies!

[@EatitHarvey]

You know it's bad when the only decent Star Wars media that came out (Andor) was met with hesitation and low reviews because fans were THAT burned out and distrustful of the Star Wars brand. They gave up. That's bad.

[@DeltaGolf791]

I feel the same about Solo. It wasn't horrible, but it was DOA.

[@dAiMYoBeAr]

@@DeltaGolf791 Solo *was* pretty horrible, though...

[@toh6261]

​@@DeltaGolf791Solo was a bag of runny shit.

[@johnnyknadler1157]

@sjtwstot what about mando (season 1 and/or 2)

[@senate2674]

To me good star wars really needs good lightsaber fights and emotional tone

[@francodisalvo9637]

I loved the comment on Stuckman's reviews. "And the result is that I trust their announcements of new projects about as much as I trust Chris Stuckman to deliver honest, passionate and insightful movie review". Brilliant.

[@maximos905]

Yea I can't stand stuckman, he'll praise any shitty movie as long as it seems artsy

[@nelisezpasce]

Yeah, his opinion is worthless. Real journalism is fearless. He wants to bootlick.

[@dailyplanet354]

@@maximos905 Or maybe he judges movie with a different criteria? After all, he aspires to be a film director. I like the drinker, but bringing up Chris Stuckman seems cheap to me. And when was Gina Carano's whatever's named character popular with fans? She's like the worst actress of the Mandalorian show. She makes Jason Momoa look like Laurence Olivier actingwise and has all the charisma of Rei Palpatine.

[@TjStorm97]

Stuckman is a hack and a shill. I wouldn't trust his film reviews anymore than I would trust Joe Biden to form a coherent sentence.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@dailyplanet354 no, he just has shit standards and plays everything safe to get into Hollywood. No authenticity. Stop simping for Stuckman. He won’t notice you. Just say you hate Gina Carano and go on your way. You have no merit in this discussion. “He aspires to be a film director” someone with a backbone as non existent has his has no chance being a film director. You’re really coping with this one.

[@proto6948]

Its absolutely mind blowing to me that Disney has fumbled THIS HARD. And not just with Star Wars but with Marvel, Pixar, and their own studio. In regard to Star Wars, all they had to do, was give people what they wanted and they made the express decision to do the opposite of that consistently. This is one of the most colossal investment fuckups in history

[@daveindezmenez]

All Disney knows how to do is buy up others. Once they acquire them they don't have the faintest idea how to keep making what they bought work.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

They're trying hard to expand their fanbases beyond "white males aged 15-40" so they can increase their profits but it's backfiring hard.

[@gusty9053]

Agree, they had the EU for F sake and they threw it out. Then that KK cow had the audacity to complain "we have no source material, it's hard to make star wars".

[@ΣτελιοςΠεππας]

That's what happens when a company gets, too bloated, too micromanaging, and too mismanaged. The worst possible combination of faults a corporation can have.

[@lexiconxdevil626]

All they gotta do is get Keanu Reeves to do Revan...and also not fuck it up

[@tylergoodman3560]

I never understood the term "Rage quit" until I saw " The Last jedi." I was so insulted by what Ryan Johnson did that I just gave up on Star Wars altogether. To this day, I've never seen "The Rise of Skywalker." The franchise in general has become content for contents sake, and it's barely hanging on by a thread. It's only a matter of time until the empire collapses on itself. Great video drinker. 🎉

[@AndrewThoesen]

You missed nothing

[@JackAcid]

Absolutely with you there. I was insulted, angry, disappointed and baffled by it. Rip My Childhood.

[@tomtravis3077]

It was a horrible film. I did not watch the 'Rise' either. No need.

[@hgonz14]

Rise was worse if you can believe that.

[@inblackestnight9256]

For the movies TLJ was my 'rage quit' point as well. I dropped the rest of the franchise partway through the Kenobi show. I immediately dropped D+ after that never to return.

[@EvgeneXI]

“Gained 50lbs and now works part-time at in a call centre.” How dare you call me out like that!

[@showtime2629]

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Two years ago they pulled down a statue of Thomas Jefferson that had been in the NYC city hall for 187 years.Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, he literally started the country. The decision was made in an 8-0 vote by the city's "Public Design Commission" saying it "doesn't represent contemporary values"... "All men are created equal" -Thomas Jefferson

[@RunToEternity]

I can see that was a quote from the book, 1984. Only history hasn't stopped, they aren't done tampering with it yet, and when you think you know the correct way to think, you are still wrong and must be taught again.

[@leonelimalevu2199]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatmy goodness..

[@Nostromo2144]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat What, just men!? What about the more powerful and deserving wamens, or the LGBIQTABCXYZ ruling class??? 🙄

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@Nostromo2144I think your comment may have been ce n sored by g oo gle I don't see int in the thread, just my replies.

[@GreyHunter88]

As someone who works full-time in the genre film business, it's not only 'geek' stuff that's been infiltrated like this. Horror, Action, Sci-Fi... all of it. So many people have made the transition over from drama, knowing that it's easier to finance and find distribution in the genre space (especially for indie films). The net result has been a complete gentrification, where 80% of the horror scripts I read nowadays are auteur autobiographies about the director's coming out story or family relationships, covered with a thin veneer of "werewolf" paint or whatever to try and pretend it's a scary movie. It's been rough.

[@wetzel4806]

There's a deep irony of most flavorful "veneers" used to be the good part of the writing. Subtlety, metaphor, etc, now being the shiny bait to get fans of it to watch something completely unrelated.

[@darianstarfrog]

Man, this really is the times of darkness and ignorance, prophesied, welp! Time to start getting serious, Light > darkness, everytime..

[@manosassassin]

It's not even in just movies, but so many forms of entertainment these days suffer from this.

[@GreyHunter88]

@@wetzel4806 Well, the truth is that many filmmakers are egocentric and just want to get 'their' story out there. Especially in the indie space, where it's very common to have writer-directors. They'll often latch onto whatever gives them the biggest chance of success. 10 years ago every drama became a 'thriller' overnight once dramas without cast became impossible to sell. Thrillers then became saturated 7-ish years ago and all became "elevated genre", to distinguish them from "peasant genre" movies like slashers and zombie flicks. Once people realized that the term elevated genre didn't really mean anything, those became "horror" movies because the platforms were starting to look for genuinely scary stuff again. Now everyone's pretending their shit is true crime, even when it's got supernatural elements. It's all marketing, really. Most filmmakers in the genre space nowadays didn't even grow up with any interest in genre stuff. They just wanna write a movie about their abortion story, and they'll create a half-assed sci-fi world around that story if they think it's easier for them to get into Frontieres than Sundance Lab or whatever. I've had people pitch me action scripts with "badass female leads" who forgot to change every "he" into "she" in their script. I've had distributors who used to walk past us in Cannes and literally ask us how we can sell "that shit", who now do panels to talk about how genre is such an important part of filmmaking history. As someone who's been doing nothing but genre for over a decade, you take it personally when all these people barge into your spaces and start taking all the money and attention.

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

That's so gay lol

[@durendin]

A wise man once asked, "How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"

[@brokengood3621]

"...feels great"

[@aamirrazak3467]

Pain… suffering

[@Peeps7468]

I mean, I grew up with really broad interests so not everything is ruined yet. 😂 On a brighter note, the Warhammer 40k community seems to be gatekeeping like hell to keep the activists out so that’s something.

[@Сайтамен]

I wouldn't call him wise...

[@daneoman1000]

YEP, SWars, Strek, MCU, Predator, Terminator, Robocop, X-men, Conan, Indiana Jones ,TMNT, Lotr, The Matrix, Jurassic Park all dying/ dead. Not holding my breath for Alien: Romulus or DCU. Ghostbusters still kicking with Frozen Empire, looks good.

[@Soup-man]

"Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects." Darth Traya

[@archstanton9073]

Indolence breeds madness - Lae'zel

[@jlev1028]

Apathy is death.

[@strategery101]

“I liked the movie. I liked it because it had things that I liked in it. A+” -Chris stuckman

[@iratepirate3896]

"Pure pazaak" - Kathleen 'Fool' Kennedy

[@Mr.Corinthians]

The United States is over 230 years old and is now firmly entrenched in the seventh stage of all civilizations (Apathy) with only Dependence and eventually Bondage ahead of it. *Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its eager hand.* The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through a nine stage sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacence to apathy; *from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again into bondage.* Apathy-- Bread and circuses This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman satirical poet Juvenal (c. 100 AD). In context, the Latin panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining interest of a Roman populace that no longer cares for its historical birthright of political involvement. Here Juvenal displays his contempt for *the declining heroism* of contemporary Romans, using a range of different themes, including lust for power and desire for old age to illustrate his argument. ---All of our modern heroic stories have been deconstructed and re-molded to fit "THE MESSAGE", creating apathy towards formerly inspiring tales of heroes and their accomplishments. Indiana Jones, Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings and so forth are no longer met with anticipation, but with apathy. By all appearances/perceptions, it would seem as though Liberal Marxists are tying to indoctrinate the masses with Cultural Marxist ideologies via entertainment and corporate pandering in the retail/consumer product sectors. Juvenal here makes reference to the Roman practice of providing free wheat to Roman citizens as well as costly circus games and other forms of entertainment as a means of gaining political power. The Annona (grain dole) was begun under the instigation of the aristocratic popularis politician Gaius Sempronius Gracchus in 123 BC; it remained an object of political contention *until it was taken under the control of the autocratic Roman emperors.* ---I'm making a point here, which you will see in a short bit. BELIEVE THAT! Steps one and two of the "Four steps for ideological subversion". (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985) Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). *During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people.* As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance. -Communism and Religion Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. *To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”* Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values. Dependence--- 2. Destabilization - the purpose of this step is to change the status quo, particularly the country's economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. *The intent is to create a massive government permeating society and becoming intrusive in the lives of its citizens.* This can take from two to five years to perform, again with the active support of academia pushing youth in this direction. Here, entitlements and benefits are promised to the populace to encourage their support. Basically, they are bribing the people to accept their programs. ---We are being forced into dependency by the government due to rising inflation and the migrant crisis, which is affecting housing and employment (in a nation which has outsourced most of its major manufacturing jobs). Hegelian Dialectic: Problem, Reaction, Solution Create a Liberalism/Marxist problem. Have the majority of the population react negatively to the problem (as intended). Offer the solution to the problem... Bondage--- Step 3 of the "Four Steps for Ideological Subversion" Crisis-This is a major step lasting up to six weeks and involves *a revolutionary change of power.* This is where a cataclysmic event (false flag event, civil war, invasion) upsets and divides the country thereby creating panic among the citizens. To Americans, symptoms would include circumventing the Constitution (re: Use "privately owned" social media sites to restrict free speech/First Amendment rights) and altering the checks and balances of government (see: Video and article I posted above), and possible martial law. Creation of economic financial and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and a breakdown of previously self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. The Cloward-Piven approach is used to create more takers than producers (higher population than available jobs, necessitating government aid) The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver things to meet people's needs through “hope and change” (ie: Hitler’s rise to power amidst a disenfranchised German population reeling from the effects of WW1) through social and economic justice. False illusion that the situation is under control if strategic directions are followed-Bailouts, regulations of industry and so forth. So the pendulum swings, now violently, now slowly; and every institution not only carries within it the seeds of its own dissolution, but prepares the way for its most hated rival. William Ralph Inge "Democracy and the Future" The Atlantic Monthly (March 1922) “The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.” - (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 143-144). The current Liberal Marxist institution prepares the way for their most hated rivals, Ultra-Orthodox Conservative Fascists, to come to power.

[@justinmadrid8712]

I did not expect a shot at Chris Suckman, but I agreed with it.

[@ZESAUCEBOSS]

What’s crazy is I remember being a young kid talking about how Disney buying Star Wars would ruin it with my friends on the bus on the way to school. It’s incredible that a bunch of elementary schoolers saw what others didn’t at the time…..

[@mihkelhint]

Or as some would say, it was something so obvious that even elementary students saw it coming :D

[@ZESAUCEBOSS]

@@mihkelhint you may be right, but I’m going to continue pretending my childhood friends and I were secretly intellectuals of the highest order

[@Beaker709]

Disney's biggest sin is how badly they wasted the potential they had when they first bought Lucas Film. They had the legacy material, the original actors, the money, AND support of the fans but completely $hit the bed. Basically, Disney was given the golden goose but instead of nurturing it to keep getting gold eggs, they chopped off its head and cooked it for dinner.

[@austinnpruneda3629]

Undercooked it at that

[@mrworldwide1213]

Great analogy! Sad but true

[@elasmojones]

and the goose didn't even taste good

[@strammerdetlef]

they used a whole kg of woke spice for that single chicken tho

[@erictriplett33]

(Cartman voice) PUT IN A GOLDEN GOOSE, AND MAKE HER GAY!...

[@FatNorthernBigot]

Rian Johnson really subverted expectations with "Last Jedi". For example, I was expecting it to be watchable.

[@michaelfields7088]

Rian: "Expectation subverted."

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

I thank Rian Johnson for doing no one could have ever done . . . . . . . . . . . Make the EU loved and respected

[@jond7972]

Damn, that jab at Chris Stuckman 😂 Right on target

[@dailyplanet354]

But why? What has Chris Stuckman done to him? The guy seems to be doing his own thing. Sure, the passion for reviewing movies seems to be gone but still. Pretty cheap shot if you ask me. This is by far the Drinker's worst video just for that and saying Gina Carano was popular among fans. I suppoused a bland wood plank may have some fans these days, as long as they held the same political oppinions.

[@SanchoPanza-m8m]

Who the heck is Chris Stuckman?

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@dailyplanet354 amazing how literally everything you said was wrong. Take a look at yourself before you call someone else out kid.

[@dailyplanet354]

@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Care to elsborate, please. Where was I wrong, exactly, kid?

[@stez1699]

@@dailyplanet354cope

[@korbendallas8488]

I still cannot fathom why LucasFilm de-canonized the EU and didn't make film adaptations of the more popular EU properties. How many trilogies, spin-offs, and stand-alone movies could that have generated. What a colossal case of mismanagement

[@AaronPoston]

It’s truly mind boggling. I mean don’t get me wrong, some EU stories are absolute trash, but some of them are solid gold.

[@MBunn-uf1we]

They do not want to pay royalties to those authors

[@korbendallas8488]

@@MBunn-uf1we I bet you're right. Minding the pennies while the dollars blow out the window

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

they did it becuz the EU didnt pander/push the message

[@calick7208]

The EU was a mess and often contradicted itself. Plus, the galaxy never gets a break, it’s conflict after conflict after conflict, each writer trying to make its own the next biggest thing. I, for once, prefer the de-canonizing option and salvaging the parts from the EU that did work, like they did with Thrawn.

[@patrict527]

You said what I was exactly thinking about Chris Stuckmann. I felt that burn 🔥 from across the pond

[@nightsong81]

What did he do?

[@JohnWick-vh2qy]

​@@nightsong81Be a Hollywood shill

[@darthgamer9861]

@@nightsong81he’s one of those that defends Disney Star Wars

[@nightsong81]

@@darthgamer9861 Ah. Didn't know that.

[@strategery101]

He is so disappointing. I used to like him. Now his reviews basically are: "I liked this movie. It was a good movie. It had things I liked. The actors were good. A". He gave all the new star wars movies A or A+ unreal

[@Afineaddition]

It is disgusting how badly Disney derailed this franchise.

[@TheWorkmonkey1]

entirely deliberately. It is a part of the managed decline of the West.

[@alexman378]

Pretty predictable though. There’s not been one instance where leftists infiltrated and infected any group or society and didn’t obliterate it.

[@askers81]

The prequels derailed it long ago

[@rhithecapybara]

@@askers81the prequels were good

[@askers81]

@@rhithecapybara sure, and so are the sequels lol

[@kristiangustafson4130]

Andor was excellent for me. The only thing since Rogue One worth watching. I know some found it slow, but as a lens to look at rebellion, and the intelligence task, it was awesome. Pretty much Star Wars' "Battle of Algiers"

[@paule5195]

It's weird how it has divided what's left of Star Wars fans. I recommended Andor to someone and they said they wouldn't watch it because there were no lightsabers.

[@GH0STCCC-vu5rz]

@@paule5195 just cuz it has no lightsabers? I'm not sure they're actual star wars fans now.

[@MadDevil86]

When growing up, i never imagine that Disney out of all things would basically become a cancer in the Movie Universe. How far have we fallen

[@ktgiffin8147]

I feel bad for Daisy Ridley because I don't think she knew what a mess of utter incompetence she was walking into when she joined the franchise. They probably told her she'd be the next Natalie Portman and locked her in for two or three movies when she signed, so now she's stuck spinning her wheels in a series of career killing flops.

[@ThePhysicalReaction]

I like her, and she gives a very earnest performance. I wish her character had faced real hardship though, and the force wasn't so "easy" to master

[@terrylandess6072]

The best thing she can do is keep quiet, do her job and avoid negativity concerning past employers.

[@stevecheevers7337]

Don't feel too bad for her. She's got to star in Star Wars franchise and be the lead in those films and gets to do more films, many would kill to get even that. She wasn't up to much when she was hired. She's no Natalie Portman, let's be brutally honest. She's not really a great actress, I think Emilia Clarke had the same issues. Post GOT was tough for her, until she found her level doing romantic comedies/drama's, where she basically playing herself i.e posh Girl next door English woman. Ridley will always get roles in films or TV, and will always have Star Wars fan circuit that I'm sure will pay bucks for her to fan signings. She's not got the charisma or talent of John Boyega to carry her through bad films. She's not got the acting talent of Adam Driver or Oscar Isaac. Her choices of movies have been poor. I be very surprised if she's not ending up in straight to VOD type films and maybe doing TV roles in not so good TV shows in next few years.

[@TempoMontages]

lets be honest she will have unlimited money even if they flop

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

​@@ThePhysicalReactionit was never easy to master, she's just written like a Mary Sue who is perfect and can do anything and is both a Palpatine and a Skywalker somehow.

[@easter_sunday]

I'm an adult, straight male. I know that Disney does not make content for me, anyone I know, or anyone who can tolerate people like me.

[@brandizzle301]

That’s so dumb lmao. You think you can’t appreciate andor?

[@kcried1081]

Disney Star Wars and kk hate men in general. Not just white all men

[@ClassyClanker]

@@brandizzle301Andor is great, and also unfortunately a fluke

[@ab5olut3zero95]

@@brandizzle301that’s ONE of how many shows/movies? Mando went to hell in season3, ever other Disney Star Wars property is trash. Why should we bother?

[@KeithWilsonUK]

I’ve never met you and I don’t like you either! 😅 /jk

[@hillelhalevi]

The last Star Wars movie I saw was the re-release of The Empire Strikes Back and I was done. I went on Rise of the Resistance in Disney and didn't recognize any of the characters.

[@inventse]

The people who work at Lucasfilm are ashamed and don't like their audience. They hate knowing that one of their clients is a shy, nerdy person who loves escapism. They desperately want to be consumed by new people. It's as if Mc Donalds employees wanted their consumers to be athletes and people who hate Fast Food. There's no way it can work.

[@ChineduOpara]

Thank you! It's like the stereotypical North American single woman who wants to settle down with an intelligent, stable, loyal, quiet gentleman... so she "settles" for a nerd who makes six figures... but she is secretly ashamed of his nerd ways and tries to strip him of that side and his passion at every opportunity. They want the money and merchandise, but don't want to associate with "sweaty uncool nerds". Remember the She Hulk TV show? 🤮

[@Aedryc]

Of course they want to be consumed by new people - that's the whole point of making new content. Literally NO ONE makes content for fans of a movie from 50 years ago. Everything is made to appeal to a younger generation and build up a fresh new fanbase. It's the most natural and logical thing to do. Feeling offended by this makes no sense.

[@Anayoth]

@@Aedryc No, they haven’t been building a “new” fanbase, they’ve been catering to blue-haired feminists, Reylos, and political activists. You do realize they drove away the parents who *would* expose their kids to Star Wars with that type of shit, right?

[@MS-sb9ov]

Except the fans don’t want it.

[@TheClintonio]

​@@Aedryc The profit and loss figures disagree with you. Top Gun Maverick is proof you are wrong.

[@L337M4573RK]

😂 Rey was able to obtain the rank of "Jedi Master" only after all of the other Jedi had been killed, or died off due to old age. Basically, she only got the title by default; NOT through merit, training, nor extensive experience! 😂

[@terrylandess6072]

The drinker's claims about her should include ALL film, not just Star Wars. She IS the poster child for Mary Sue.

[@internet_warlord]

And she was only able to obtain the Skywalker name when the entire clan was wiped out

[@Langley_Ackerman19]

That's very on brand with KK's Star Wars.

[@4G63Tx]

That’s exactly why she’s a Mary Sue

[@GerardMenvussa]

Reminds me of "admiral" Holdo 🤢

[@kevinoneil5120]

I'd be happier if they gave the next Star Wars project to a fanfiction writer at this point.

[@kurtlindner]

Not only that, but also, limit studio exec's input. Input from non-creatives outside the production is just as big of a part of the problem. People whose job it is to _sell_ the work, having creative input means they lack the ability to do their job of selling the work.

[@DildoDaggins69]

There are plenty of SW fanfics out there that show far, far more understanding of the characters, the material, and effective storytelling, than anyone at LF has demonstrated (barring Andor)

[@battlesheep2552]

Next stat wars is about Yoda dealing with his ketamine addiction

[@20tea]

Please do!

[@Kami74159]

Honestly, fanfiction regardless of how inept always comes from a place of genuine love for the source material. Disney Star Wars is just... inept.

[@daboz8753]

Honestly, were it not for the delightful notifications from YT that you’ve posted a video…I’d not even know Star Wars was even still a thing. I’ve gone from disappointment, anger, disinterested apathy…to outright just forgetting it exists altogether.

[@mikoto7693]

You and me both. I hadn’t heard of most of those shows until Drinker mentioned them. I was only familiar with the Mandalorian series because of the baby Yoda hype.

[@daboz8753]

@@mikoto7693 Yea, Baby yoda hype…that was a fun few month.😂 Seriously though that is probably the only successful thing they’ve had since buying Star Wars…so naturally they had to ruin that too.

[@vernonparker5154]

It’s honestly sad. Aside from baby Yoda, I couldn’t tell you the last time I heard anyone in public mention Star Wars

[@HappyCookieTime]

As someone in the movie Pet Semetary said “Sometimes dead is better”

[@SheldonAdama17]

“Just give the fans what they want!” Picard S3: Make it so! Star Wars: Nah it’ll be fine!

[@NarwahlGaming]

Dark Helmet: _"FOOLED YOU!!"_

[@elementalcobalt1]

Yeah... I can't make it to Picard S3... because of Picard S1 and S2. I've heard its good... but no... I just can't.

[@SheldonAdama17]

@@elementalcobalt1Honestly, S3 works pretty well standalone to the point where you can skip 1 and 2 entirely with minimal catch up needed

[@gusty9053]

@@elementalcobalt1 Well, take it from me: you can just watch season 3, that is what i did. As far as i can tell the guy in charge made S3 as independent as humanly possible of the other kurtzman "trek" including S1 and S2 or Picard. I bailed out of the franchise after two episodes of STD and never looked back until Garry recommended S3.

[@josie_the_valkyrie]

@@elementalcobalt1 I don’t understand the other commenters. I watched S3, and while it’s better than S1 and 2, it’s still rubbish.

[@warherojango936]

The only good thing I can see out of all this is one day when we're all much older than we are, we will look back on this period in history and say "This is how corporations ruined fandoms"

[@user-ng9gd4vl9s]

And then we all scuttle out from our waste holes, the A.i Six Finger search lights have passed us over and we crawl off into the darkness looking for rad roaches.

[@creativeconsciousness7392]

I think we'll be saying "So that's what a programmed cultural demolition looks like."

[@bigmikeobama5314]

we are already saying that now.

[@mechajay3358]

It's basically Zombie Star Wars now. Disney Lucasfilm has completely turned it into a hollow shell of what it once was.

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

They say hate is the opposite of love. But apathy is the enemy of both. That's all that we have, apathy. Few, if any, care about the crap Disney puts out. All we care about now are KZbinrs like Drinker, Mauler and many others reviewing and ripping this shit apart, with more entertainment and joy than anything Disney could ever produce. We're now at a stage where so many of us actively want Disney to fall.

[@bogstandardash3751]

Indeed, I look out for media that looks like it might be a dumpster fire, in anticipation of the laughs that will come from creators like the drinker taking the piss out of it.

[@whitedragondojo]

Don't care, don't care about Disney; please Mr Drinker stop covering this garbage.

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

@@whitedragondojo why? It is his job after all.

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

Kiera: apathy is death

[@cgdimension]

Failure on Disney's part is content for youtubers, more failure equals more money for them and less for Disney ;)

[@lostalone9320]

Imagine having a Star Wars movie project, and hiring someone who knows nothing about Star Wars or movie projects. Like, if you hired an old homeless man who had seen the original Star Wars on release and could only remember it was filmed somewhere sandy and robots wander around, he would literally be better qualified.

[@oslonorway547]

Thought you were going to write, it's like hiring a homeless man to build your expensive dream condo. 😒

[@bigmikeobama5314]

its more like, imagine youre very resentful and full of hatred because youre a sexist against all men, so you find anything great a man ever did, and try to "prove men wrong" by doing it so much better, only to find out that you were the crap one all along, because everything the men did was great, and everything you do is terrible. turns out its not as easy as women all thought it was to invent, build, maintain and defend entire civilizations. being a man is not for the faint of heart, which is why women are so bad at it.

[@DeathReviews]

The entire entertainment industry seems to be subsumed by that these days. Right down to small lark projects like "Velma" and even "Thundercats Roar". Hollywood seems to be going out of their way to find people who hate a franchise and put them in charge of rebooting them 'for modern audiences'...

[@comancheclub3449]

I would *absolutely* watch a star wars movie directed by a homeless man. It's not just ignorance at play here. It's intentional purposeful sabotaging of a beloved series at the alter of wokeism. They have an agenda and will use anything at their disposal to push said agenda. The utter annihilation of one of the most storyed and cherished franchises in history is irrelevant so long as the message is spread.

[@jakobthedragonboy]

Thats not a nice thing to say about J.J. Abrams, hes not homeless.

[@DongusMcBongus]

I will never forget the walk out of the theater when I saw The Last Jedi” When I was still in the theater, I was like “ there were some really beautiful shots in that movie and some twists. I didn’t see coming that was pretty good!” By the time I was opening my car door my thought process was more: “ wait, that movie didn’t make any sense. And where is it gonna go from here? it’s completely completely written into a corner! What the heck was that casino planet? Why did purple hair lady tell Poe the plan? Why was Luke wearing a hairpiece? Is that really how Luke’s story ends? What did I just see????”

[@gregadams5642]

I hear you it took me a day but I realized the last jedi killed star wars and I won't watch another movie especially one with rey

[@zack4915]

I had just that with TFA. I was 9, and I was so flabbergasted at first that I needed 10 minutes to realise how shit that movie actually was.

[@DongusMcBongus]

@@zack4915 I gave TFA the benefit of being a soft reboot because I thought they could go somewhere interesting with it. If the last two movies had slapped, it would have just have been an uninspired setup for an amazing trilogy.

[@zack4915]

@@DongusMcBongus It destroyed everything the originals had built up, to the last detail. The Jedi had once more fallen, Luke had gone into exile and left the galaxy behind, Han had gone back to his smuggling ways and left his family, and the Republic fell once more without a fight. I didnt deem it worthy of receiving the benefit of the doubt.

[@sethottoman2588]

Calling out chris stuckmann was honest and well deserved. He became untrustworthy and twisted after his woke change of personality and career getting sold out and goes on praising any woke disney/Hollywood low budget clusterfuck. Wore the pride rainbow shirt the whole queer month and came out as bi whilst having 2 kids and a wife Just became unwatchable with his propaganda reviews

[@bogstandardash3751]

Likening an ex partner to star wars is genius. It's literally how I feel. Your heart was broken and after some time you meet again only to find you feel absolutely nothing, they've let themselves go and made some bad life choices, and you have no emotions at all, none, not even negative ones.

[@andycopeland7051]

It's more like star wars is your ex girlfriend--a great girl but the two of you moved away from each other and you never stopped loving her. 10 years later, in a surprising turn you find yourselves in the same town again and she's single but some scumbag she's living with but not dating beats her up, has gotten her hooked on meth, and pimps her out. Now all she's capable of doing is getting you hurt or worse, she won't heed your encouragement to leave this horrible way of living, and you have to just let her go. It makes you sad but there's nothing left for you in her. She isn't the same girl.

[@IsaiahRichards692]

What about the people that desperately try to cling on to the old ex, slowly realizing she’ll never return his calls?

[@bogstandardash3751]

@@IsaiahRichards692 they are the people who are upset about the next film being about stupid men, and faultless women

[@kennykinsey3815]

I remember when my friends told me Disney was taking over, and new movies would be more regularly dropped. My response was literally "nooo", and they couldn't understand why I would feel that way...

[@watts18269]

Same. It’s so weird people hold onto this naive hope and never learn though. I’m into 40k and I’m the only person I know who’s dreading it. Because this obscure, niche thing is about to get the star wars treatment and be ruined. Can’t wait

[@RTS907]

It’s funny, but in my head, I hear Darth Vader screaming “Nooooooo!”

[@Sorain1]

@@watts18269 Yeah, Amazon getting the rights to make an adaptation is a horrible portent. Funny thing is, it doesn't matter who is officially in charge because the decision making is made above that level.

[@timcleveland154]

​@@watts18269I feel the same about 40k. Me: "Oh boy, this cool" GW: "Now that we have more global appeal, it's time to start changing things for modern audiences"

[@huskerdee1431]

My buddy tried convincing me that Disney did so well with the Marvel movies so the SW movies should be a slam dunk….we haven’t talked since

[@DeadFishFactory]

There's no real saving Star Wars at this point. All the characters, storylines, and worldbuilding have been destroyed in the name of DEI and ESG, so unless they are willing to decanonize literally everything about Disney Star Wars, TV show and all, there's no hope. It's like if I made a compelling story about a struggling artist that becomes popular and beloved. Then Disney decided to change it and now he's the leader of the Third Reich and initiates the Holocaust, and now suddenly my character is the most hated thing in the world. Disney throwing the ball back in my court doesn't make me be able to magically fix the issue they caused.

[@Intranetusa]

Watch Rogue One and Andor - the best things since the original trilogy. Tony Gilroy was a second unit director & reshooting director for Rogue One and is the creator of Andor. Disney needs to put Tony Gilroy in charge of all major Star Wars movie/TV projects from now on.

[@andycapsphotos]

It's not about what's canon and what's not, it's about squandering the opportunities they had with the original cast... And that is gone now.

[@johnsai4074]

Andor was really good. I’m excited for season 2. However it’s definitely not the type of show that can save Star Wars.

[@augustinevelajr3915]

Star Wars lives on in VHS laserdisc DVD and Blu-ra.

[@sthubbins4038]

That won’t stop Critical Drinker from making endless videos complaining about it.

[@steventhomas4499]

I was that Star Wars geek that wrote his research paper on Jedi, and did my database project on force powers. I'd turn on the OT the second I woke up before I had to go to school. I showed up to midnight premiers in my Jedi costume with my friends who also beloved this franchise.. A decade and a half later, I don't even bat an eye when they announce Kenobi, my adolescent DREAM, because I already know Disney will ruin it. I'm in shock how I lost all passion for something I loved so much.

[@robertbrown3413]

Godzilla -1 proves even the oldest franchise can be refreshed. It was done as the Drinker says, with dedicated, talented people, and a fresh start after a gap.

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

Gooooo zirrrraaaa!!!

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

So the people behind the EU

[@SonnyBLightSun]

Reason I hold Rogue One and Andor so close is because they are literally the only things after the Disney purchase that are actually worthy of Lucasfilm.

[@liamphibia]

No kidding, Andor is like the one Star Wars project anybody is deeply invested among this undead franchise. And THAT speaks volumes right there.

[@alesksander]

@@liamphibia And Irony is that showrunner isn't pure star wars fan just damm good storyteller.

[@Lonovavir]

They're the diamonds in a sea of vomit.

[@alesksander]

@@Lonovavir In pool of green tity milk. "U like tities guys, guys, right!?" XD

[@jonstiffer4994]

@@alesksander I don't think any of the people responsible for Star Wars projects currently are pure Star Wars fans.

[@astra004]

With the words of John Cleese: It‘s passed on. It’s no more. Star Wars has ceased to be. The show has expired and gone to meet its maker. This is an ex-show.

[@duanehealing5965]

It's pining for the fjords!

[@TangomanX2008]

I think the problem isn't that it died. The problem it's that it's on life support. Stories should end. Let the story end. The problem in my opinion isn't the wokeness. That makes it worse, but even with out it there is the same problem. It's this desire to somehow profit off the same story. Bring back the same characters, story line, tropes, and in some cases the same actors who have to be brought back either with the same actor who no longer had any business being in an action movie, or cgi. Make new movies ir stories, or at the very least, try succeeding where others failed, like as in Dune, instead of trying to milk from yesteryear success.

[@astra004]

@@TangomanX2008 In the beginning your objection seemed to be convincing. ( … on life support…) But even if, the vitality is gone, the corps has begun to rot and the damage is irreversible. Similar to Game of Thrones. The last season has mananged the fun and glory out of the whole show. Otherwise: the Original trilogy of Star Wars will survive.

[@TangomanX2008]

@astra004 I see your point, but there is a big difference between Star Wars and Game of Thrones. At least with Star Wars, you have The original trilogy (A New Hope. The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi) where essentially all of Star Wars for a Generation. About two decades later, Episode 1,2, and 3, which filled a gap, but fell short in ters of quality, even though the special effects were far Superior that the first trilogy. But at least story wise they were great. Then d few decades after that, the disasters of episodes 7,8, and 9. I think your right that while the last 3 movies killed the Franchise, the earlier movies as still worth watching. I believe Game of Thromes is the opposite. It is one story, consisting of 8 seasons. There was a decline in the story telling starting somewhere about the fifth or six season that started to spiraling the seventh season, and it went down in flames on the 8th. The story it gave failed because the climax and resolution stages of the stories were botched, so the entire series is a failed project. Interesting it seemed like the Game of Thrones (as a Franchise) hadnt died. I stopped caring about it after Game of Thrones, but it looks like other successful shows have come out. Also, it seems like the Franchise is divided into two Branches, TV/streamed content, and Martin's Writing and it looks like if one branched died the other could still live on.

[@astra004]

@@TangomanX2008 I agree. My main issue is: ( related to repetitive watching) you can’t enjoy the salad and the main course, whilst you wait for a rotten dessert. Imagine you could watch a train of nine Star Wars movies. You can’t.

[@ATerribleFate.ButAGreatStory.]

In another blow to Hollywood this week, Carl Weathers has passed away this last thursday evening at the age of 76.

[@longann7560]

OH NO JESUS CHRIST THIS IS SAD !

[@josephsalmonte4995]

How anyone can be invested in Star Wars after TFA is beyond me. It's been deliberately destroyed & some people *still* watch that crap.

[@TheGoodLuc]

Truly. This movie destroyed Original trilogy.

[@kaasmeester5903]

TFA had some things going for it. The visuals, for instance. They had that old timey SW feel instead of the CGI-gasm of the prequels. Sure, the story was derivative and the characters were not all that great either (Kylo Ren has got to be the least convincing and least scary villain in the franchise). But I was entertained as well as disappointed, with a little hope they'd do better next time. TFA did not kill SW for me. Then they made Rogue One, which was a decent SW movie, and got my hopes up even more. Of course then we got TLJ and Solo... That kind of killed it for me. I'll watch the 2nd episode of Andor if it ever sees the light of day, but they'll probably screw that up as well..

[@arongebremedhin9764]

Only thing worth it is Andor & Kestis

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

I had no plans to watch it. I said I was done after "Revenge of the Shit" but people were raving about it so much that I decided to give it a watch (for free, of course) and it was godawful. It's just a shitty remake of the original movie. That's when I checked out for good. I saw some episodes of "The Mandalorian" because some of my coworkers were watching it in the office and it was the most generic shit plots with a Star Wars coating on it. I hated it. They ate that shit up with a spoon, though. I really don't get it. I grew up on Star Wars like everyone else in my generation but the prequels were awful and that should've been the end of it but Nostalgia is a mother fucker and now the kids that grew up on the prequels have convinced themselves that they're good and are eating up this new crap. Twenty years from now, the brats that grew up watching the MaRey Suewalker trilogy will be saying how great they were and they'll be devouring whatever crap is being shat out by whatever corporation owns the rights to the franchise because NOSTALGIA.

[@hieug.rection1920]

Which one of the Rey movies was TFA? I forget what they are because I did stop after the first one. Watched season one of the mandalorian and then stopped the second they brought the puppet back. The new stuff isn’t even worth remembering the names of them since I won’t be talking about them with my friends or rewatching them with my kids.

[@VictorPitstop]

I just want to know how these people keep getting into power? Blackmail? Saying they’re going to scream *cancelled* if they don’t get their way?

[@TSoneonetwo]

they are aligned with the goals of the WEF aka the powers that be

[@MasterGordon5115]

@@TSoneonetwo More like the "agenda" of the Human Development Index

[@bogstandardash3751]

It remains a mystery, lord only knows it's not because of money they have made for shareholders.

[@xentiment6581]

Big investors dump big money and threaten to stop if woke goes away. Its really that simple.

[@vancouvercanucknut93]

​@@bogstandardash3751not a mystery, it's stated above, the WEF is the head of a lot. You can Google their agendas

[@joshuayang4016]

A wise man once said it is easier to keep the customers you have than attract new ones

[@ThePhysicalReaction]

This is absolutely true. Customer retention is extremely important. Especially if the product is one that the customer only gets say every year or two.

[@ASpooneyBard]

Yes! This is how business has always worked in every industry. You find your niche, then do what ever it takes to hold on to it. That's what keeps you in business when you want to take a risk or two. For some reason, the entire entertainment industry has forgotten this. I don't know why.

[@terrylandess6072]

Sadly Disney has 2 options: Pack it up till the original fanbase dies, or sell it back to George. Anything else is a guaranteed loss.

[@Undomaranel]

I made a similar analogy once: Should you chop off the trunk of the tree and still expect it to grow? Or should you allow the roots to remain while branching into different directions?

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

At the rate Disney is going, they won't have any customers left.

[@realkingofantarctica]

Corporations treating intellectual properties as some kind of revenue stream instead of an expression of art is exactly what's killing film, videogames, and to a lesser extent television.

[@Blake5467]

The shot at Chris Stuckmann at 3:20 was a knockout lol

[@Pearcinator]

He must be Stuckmanized after that one!

[@rickh9396]

Pretty savage. YT used to recommend his videos HARD to me until I finally told them "Don't recommend channel".

[@marianopena7872]

"I enjoyed this film. It's nice. Makes me feel something."

[@LaurenMiddleton28]

He's a buffoon. The Pick Flick already admitted Stuckmann's "reviews" are written by someone else and John would know he's collaborated with Stuckmann a dozen times. Plus movie insiders who have seen Stuckmann 1st movie he "directed" say it's embarrassingly awful.

[@LaurenMiddleton28]

​@@rickh9396So true... Just like the Lex Friedman podcast CONSTANTLY being pushed and ive never watched it once.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Star Wars isn't even on life support at this point; it's ready for burial.

[@carljhirst]

Been Buried at Prequels, as a Vampire. Now a Zombie-Vampire! Has risen.

[@EwanCumia]

It's already been cremated.

[@Jim-kz4zo]

Watch andor and nothing else

[@nomadicstrength]

Yet somehow.....it returns.

[@tylere.8436]

More like It's a dead rotting corpse and Disney is engaging in necrophilia

[@danioli2000]

I did not expect that Chris Stuckmann roast

[@alarictheredboi276yearsago4]

I grew up on Star Wars. So did my dad. That’s two generations. Nearly half a century. He was OT and I was prequels. When Disney bought it we were both excited. “More Star Wars can’t be a bad thing right?” We loved the episode 7 trailer. Talked about it for actual hours, theorizing excitedly on car rides together, drooling over the new x wings and how shiny and modern it all looked. But then 7 came out. And it was a new hope again, but worse. We held out hope, ‘it was ok’ we told each other and ourselves. We were wrong. And now all that’s left are oozing, fetid wounds on the decaying corpse of the series we used to love so very much. Disneys destruction is so terrible, so complete that even the OT and the prequels are tainted by it. By knowing. I just want to be excited about Star Wars again with my dad before he’s out of time, but I don’t think it’s possible. He loved Luke and Han and Leia, and Disney effectively took them outside and shot them in the yard. They deserved better, and they won’t get it. Harrison is too old. Carrie is gone. Mark still cares I think, but Kennedy doesn’t. It might be stupid to sit here and think about a franchise like this, but some of my earliest memories are of the Star Wars themes and it’s music. Those names, Luke, Han, Leia, because my dad would put it on when I wouldn’t sleep at night. I loved Star Wars. I cared about it. Now I just want it to rest so that history can maybe shroud it in some semblance of dignity in years to come.

[@bruhdon4748]

Disney has made me become completely apathetic toward something I truly loved & respected.

[@sjdrifter72]

Ditto. I will never acknowledge Disney Star Wars as canonical.

[@manoz6194]

That was their intent, they are EVIL!

[@Friendlyfirefish]

How can you truly love a series that had only 2 out of 6 good movies.

[@KeithWilsonUK]

With every release it gets shittier and shittier - I preferred the 90s when we had nothing BUT nostalgia and potential… what we ended up with was another TWO death stars and somehow palpatine returned.

[@manoz6194]

@@Friendlyfirefish The prequels are actually good, not great or fantastic like the original trilogy but the prequels have a charm to them

[@hariman7727]

Disney is to classic movie franchises like EA is to classic game franchises: A vampire that drains its victims then discards the husks.

[@bmackley9805]

As a long-time PVZ fan, I can agree with this

[@JonathonSantiago]

A stellar comparison!

[@AngelsLance]

Or like how Activison is to classic game franchises. Or Konami is to classic video game franchises. Or Ubisoft... man, fuck the video game industry.

[@hariman7727]

@@AngelsLance Indie = best games.

[@Towboatin]

Thing is, the industry juggernauts we all love to hate, like EA and Activision, were themselves created by disgruntled artists and devs who got fed up of corporate culture in the big publishers of the time, and struck off on their own to try to bring the magic back. This isn't a new paradigm, it's been going on for 40+ years in the video game industry and for centuries in other industries. When you bring in shareholders, you bring in people who don't care about the vision of the company and its founders, the quality of the product or the satisfaction of the customers who buy the product; their only concern is generating maximum return on their investment, and they still get a seat at the table. They have rights. Corporate culture inevitably takes over, because the people who run the show are legally obligated to do everything they can to maximize shareholder return (quite apart from their own self-interest because of their compensation packages typically being heavy on stock options) and the rot sets in. Some companies resist it longer than others, but eventually everything gets sacrificed in order to squeeze any residual value out of IP that once seemed evergreen.

[@RScott413]

Once my family and I came home from seeing "The Force Awakens" I got out of the car and said "Wait a minute... that was just a copy of the first movie except how did that Rey character just immediately know the Force? How did the First Order get so big without being shut down and without clones how did the First Order make body armor that fit all those kids that were kidnapped?"

[@Madman6505]

I wanted to like it so bad. I thought the 2nd movie would fix all the mistakes and we'd be back in business. Then it dropped and was so bad it traumatized me.

[@johnnycanadiana1897]

I felt the same. I came out like that was just a new hope with a girl.... and I wanted to see Han Luke Leia chewy c3po and r2d2 together.... but they killed off han... I hoped the next one would be good... how wrong was i

[@JJ_Adventures]

To be fair, the phantom menace is the same as anh too, just done way better. If you look at an overview of all the plot points, you'll see what I mean; -princess/queen gets captured and needs rescuing -Jedi takes boy from desert planet to unlock his true potential -desert boy loses his mentor -desert boy blows up the big bad space station -celebration The fact that few people even realize that shows that George actually did know what he was doing. The new ones just did such a shit job at masking the same plot points that people saw through it

[@madgavin7568]

@@JJ_Adventures There are parallels but come on, its not the same at all.

[@JJ_Adventures]

@@madgavin7568 dude the only thing George left out in tpm is sticking important info in a droid lmfao

[@derekholland3328]

you are on point. im excited about NOTHING Disney wants to put out. actually maybe Hollywood in general. such dull concepts and rehashing of old ideas.

[@braxxian]

I remember thinking the other day that I have only been to the movies twice in the last 8 years. Now I understand why. Modern Hollywood simply doesn’t produce anything worth going to see anymore.

[@beksc9209]

"You mercurial masticator of media mediocrity...." 😂 Well done! You put so much work into those, Drinker!

[@georgeray1906]

Talk about alliteration.

[@NeoFighterX]

chat gpt can do unimpressive cheesy crap too

[@nathanbryan4380]

“People who are able to keep their hangups, activism, and personal politics away from their work”. That’s the answer, well put drinker.

[@unprofound]

Exactly. So DAMN exactly!

[@henrybartram9854]

I think I disagree. If it is not a main focus then I agree completely. Both th OT and PT do have a slightly political tone with some being quite anti-war i believe, which I think can be quite important. However, for a children's project, this has turned into a mess of a franchise intent of telling people what to think.

[@mostlyharmless7154]

Do you not think the original series had a political agenda?

[@anthonymoloney3671]

We used to call it "professionalism" and "acting like an adult".

[@BigBraddarock]

Does art not reflect life ?

[@antoniocortes3901]

The Old Republic was literally fleshed out and ready to make it to movies, series, etc. without having to focus on legacy characters. Maybe in a few years, with the right people surrounding it ofcourse.

[@do_no_try]

This is the answer. Have to be willing to make a movie that is for a more mature audience.

[@trashinho872]

I'd rather they leave it alone at this point

[@cybertramon0012]

Something they could do is set a series around the Sith Empire. Make it like Game of Thrones with political intrigue, backstabbing and plotting. Switch between different viewpoint characters, from people trying to fix the Empire from within, to folks doing their own thing, to the guys plotting to take control or join the Dark Council. Granted, I wouldn't trust the current leadership to not find some way of screwing that idea up. But maybe if we wait for a new group to take over, it could work. This can also show how many genres you can have while still have something be Star Wars.

[@Atromnis]

I'd rather they left the Old Republic alone at this point. Watching them fuck up Revan would crush the last remaining bit of my soul into dust.

[@aamirrazak3467]

I’d love that because I am a huge fan of the old republic and the expanded universe, but I don’t trust Disney to do it justice. Perhaps If, as you say, the franchise is in the hands of those who actually care about the lore characters themes story and fans

[@dejiadelekan3827]

The ‘chris stuckman’ jab was hilarious 😅

[@hagoth933]

I told my young son about the new Rey movie and he turned to me, looked me in eyes and said, "Why? She already has 3 movies." Ah yes, why is the question. He's excited for Mando but feels nothing for Rey. Even young kids can see through it.

[@daveari6699]

I tweeted the same to Bob Iger. Anakin had the prequels. Luke had the originals. And Rey had the sequels. Why another Rey movie? I refuse to pay to see it and will only watch it on free video IF people rave about how amazing it is. Disney will not get another penny from me.

[@joebeast15]

@@daveari6699you are nicer than me. I tapped out after Last Jedi, I didn’t even see the third one

[@pranmukherjee7689]

@@joebeast15 Same here. After TLJ I've only seen a few episodes of a show here and there... before dropping each one as the crap that it is. These days I don't even bother. I hear about new Star Wars content and just say "Meh" and move on without even looking. It's not worth my time or effort any more, and I have been a fan since 1980. Maybe it's BECAUSE I was around for the first wave of movies that I don't care about this new trash. I can see how much lower the quality is. And yes, the first three are corny movies if you didn't grow up with them, but what's coming out now aren't even real stories!

[@jonathansoko1085]

He doesn't like mandolorean. People just like saying Mando. I've found this true most times

[@Nawona]

@@joebeast15 lucky you !

[@MatthewTheSplendid]

That last "Go away now" with depressed intonation sums up my feelings towards modern Star Wars.

[@Cerex_XxX]

Not everything new is bad mandalorian and ahsoka are great

[@Peterski]

I have a feeling that Bob The Builder's movie will explore the intricate logistics invovled in the construction of the Death Star. And how Galen Erso managed to sneak in that design flaw...

[@balpreetsingh6834]

Tbh, that sounds exciting. Anything tangentially related to Andor/ Rogue One is promising to me.

[@battleoid2411]

​@@balpreetsingh6834 keep consooming

[@rockbarcellos]

"Yes, yes... please clap or else Disney is f***ed*" Bush brother vibes there

[@nathanc6516]

The problem with DEI is that the talentless people making decisions feel threatened by the talented and push them out.

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

Because they are threatened, what happens to these people when they start hiring based on IQ again?

[@TheKafkianProcess]

The problem with DEI is that it should not exist in the first place.

[@matthewcorcoran2891]

Well said, the truth hurts. (Them anyway)

[@nathanc6516]

@@dontcallthemliberals3316 They won't ever start hiring based on talent again, their businesses will collapse and fail before that happens. DEI is an organizational virus, and will eventually kill the host. Disney is going down right now because of it.

[@brandongray1059]

@@dontcallthemliberals3316 Buncha white dudes are gonna end up taking over again if they start hiring like that. They can't have that. Guess it's skin color & gender for now, lol.

[@thereplyguyreviews]

That Stuckman call out was unexpected

[@Bloodynine606]

And correct

[@KushPatil]

And much needed

[@calibratedtub4810]

Yeah need elaboration on that. What's the reason.

[@calibratedtub4810]

Yeah need elaboration on that. What's the reason.

[@user-mq4xp1gq3q]

@@calibratedtub4810 Stuckman tries to suck-up and sellout to the Hollywood industry that has no interest in him. He stopped doing his hilariocity reviews so he doesn't offend Hollywood. He's now a 'film critic' that is afraid to critique films...that guy has no credibility.

[@howlinmad4208]

I honestly feel sorry that kids these days will never experience the awe I had in the Worcester Odeon in 1977. When that star destroyer just kept going and going. Nothing like it had ever been seen before, truly groundbreaking and inspiring. Cut to today's efforts, oh dear oh dear. Still, we have our memories 😢

[@gelraldoldo5152]

My gen had lotr…

[@ArnoldSquashaNigga]

@@gelraldoldo5152mainly the prequels of starwars referencing to that era

[@stephenschroeder6567]

I'm right there with you. I was a senior in high school when the first movie launched. In the Minneapolis area, a radio station had a contest and the winners (I was one of those) received tickets to a movie that had no advertising at the time: Star Wars. This was right at the end of December 1976 - an early release special. The theater was one of those old-style playhouses that used to have stage performances that had been converted to show movies. It was large, and had wonderful, comfortable seating with lots of old school decor. But none of that mattered when the lights dimmed and that first note of music was blasted at us! Geez, it was loud. It startled all of us. I can still remember the feeling of that. Then that scrolling text AND then that ship. It just kept passing through the frame and I wondered if there was going to be an end to it??? Everyone's jaw had dropped and we just took it all in. When it finally finished you could hear several people exclaim: "HOLY SH!T!" That kind of experience is practically impossible to replicate today. As the Drinker spoke about, the current "leadership" of the company has to be flushed and then MAYBE find those gifted, passionate writers and directors that can make a movie like the first one to have that same impact upon all of us. If those types do not exist, then as you spoke to: we have our wonderful memories.

[@ColinFox]

@@stephenschroeder6567 I was 13 when Star Wars came to Vancouver, and I remember being baffled by the ads - they looked amazing. Had no idea wtf was going on, but it looked great, and the actual experience of watching it was literally life-altering. I'd never seen anything like it. I actually stayed in the theatre and watched it twice more. And then I watched it again the following week. I was obsessed. The prequels made me sad because they were garbage, and the sequels were worse than garbage. For me there is only the original 3, and not even the updated ones that Lucas messed with. Give me the OG unedited Star Wars!

[@CursedWheelieBin]

The success of that movie is what inspired various industries to grow and thrive. ILM, for example, I’m pretty sure went on to create effects for Aliens, T2 and Jurassic Park. I always doubted whether the actual movie itself was inspirational or just well marketed at a time when there wasn’t much competition. It’s not a bad movie. It’s fine. It seems like a fairly straightforward hero’s journey. I first saw it on Sky Movies aged 16 (in 2001) and I watched Empire right after (loved that). Jedi was meh, whatever. Luke’s personality was kinda drained to the point he talks like he’s a weird priest or cultist.😂 Prequels were dreadful, and the worst part is I knew this when they came out but didn’t quite know how to articulate it at the time. They just overstimulated my teenage brain (visually) to the point I was mentally exhausted by the end. That was appealing to me at the time, I suppose. Nowadays though, there’s nothing dazzling about special effects.

[@StrwBrryShake]

People need to let this shit go and start creating. At this point people are fighting over a rotting corpse.

[@cowboydup]

That Chris stuckman jab was so brutal and out of left field, but so true. He used to be my favorite movie reviewer, until he straight up told us he won't be critical of any movie anymore. You can't trust him to give an honest opinion now

[@lukewilliam3601]

Eh, the comment was uncalled for. Stuckman isn't pulling a fast one, he literally spelled it out for us. Plus, Stuckman really just seems like a good dude to me.

[@addex1236]

​@@lukewilliam3601the problem with that is he literally made that decision after he started to get his own movie made which feels really suspect

[@xLeeroycranex]

@@lukewilliam3601 No, it's not uncalled for. The two channels have had a 'slight beef' with one another now so this is just one more shot amidst that

[@CryptoChangingTheWorld]

​@lukewilliam3601 you must be a fan boy. He's totally lost his edge and ability to be a 'film critic' all because he's making a film...he's become woke and believes everyone deserves a medal for just taking part...let me tell you, they certainly don't.

[@fourdonutproductions]

@@xLeeroycranexI use to love stuckmann, but he only did that after people didn’t like his short film ‘Notes From Melonie’ which makes him come across as pretty insecure. He’s too nice in his movie reviews and just says everything’s good, but if no one is critical, then Hollywood will just keep sucking, thinking that they can get away with continuing to make bad or mediocre movies

[@braxxian]

I’m a 45 year Star Wars fan. I was there back in the late 70’s to see Star Wars when it first came out on the big screen. I still haven’t seen The Rise Of Skywalker, I simply don’t care anymore.

[@ultraviolet540]

I walked out of Rise of Skywalker with my then gf, it ain’t worth it trust me.

[@chrismoran2063]

After The Last Jedi, I skipped Rise of Skywalker and I'll probably never watch it. I'm holding out for Andor Season 2, and that's it.

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

You were there as an infant? You'd have to be born in 78 or 79

[@faustmeth]

He said he was a 45 year Star Wars fan, he didn’t say he was 45 years old. But if it matters, I am 45 and I saw Return of the Jedi in theaters when it first came out.

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

@@faustmeth Oh I completely misread and I apologise! That went over my head. For some reason I fixated and began to make unnecessary calculations. I need to pay more attention.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Disney has done the impossible. It's taken the biggest franchise on Earth and made it irrelevant. So stunning and brave! Elon needs to buy and fix Star Wars.

[@kallum39]

Get ready for X Wars!

[@SpongebobSoundByte]

Lol just like he "fixed" Twitter? The dude has enough on his plate I think with Tesla and SpaceX

[@JasonNaas]

​@@SpongebobSoundByteYes, exactly like that.

[@jasonbourneistreadstone]

Good idea! He has the cash.

[@megakuli]

He is to busy paying for amber turds legal fees and her 2mill dollar home in Spain..

[@jamescook5617]

There is another path. 1.) Disney gives up and sells SW 2.) Some upstart buys SW 3.) AI image generation is used to erase the travesty of the Rey-trilogy. We can have Luke, Leia and Solo all back and tell the interesting stories that are already in the books. No strong female leads or activitism, just plain old fantasy fiction. It wouldn't cost that much by the time Disney sells SW the AI technology to deep fake all the original cast will be well developed.

[@War624]

I remember when people were saying Filoni was saving Star Wars with The Clone Wars. And while I'd say he kept it afloat, after the acquisition, he's really only helped with cementing the franchise's downward spiral into mediocrity. I don't understand how he could let Mando and Ashoka turn into middling projects.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

Lol imagine believing he saved star wars

[@remhauck1577]

Because at the end of the day Filoni is not in charge of his projects, and KK won't let him make the shows fans would enjoy.

[@finkamain1621]

@@EternalEmperorofZakuul I can't stand that guy. I even remember as a teenager when TCW came out and I refused to watch it because it looked so dumb and I always thought the art style was ugly. Fast forward to now and Filoni is still making Star Wars cartoons that are now translated into live action TV shows that relies on bringing back his old characters

[@MoneyManHolmes]

Filoni is a beta boy hack.

[@rainbowstalkerthe2nd587]

@@finkamain1621The art style evolved over the years and was beautifully done in the end. I understand not liking it though because they kinda went for a painted look and it doesn’t always look super realistic if that’s what you’re into

[@lego_minifig]

Its really sad when fan made “what if” channels do a way better job at telling stories with the beloved characters then a multi billion dollar corporation. Especially since many of those channels are pumping out multiple stories a week.

[@thegrumpydeveloper]

Which channels? Would like to see them or is it just a google search away and I’m too lazy to open a browser?

[@Zaptor111]

@@thegrumpydeveloper I think that would be channels like "Star Wars Theory". However, I personally favor the What Ifs offered by the "Movie Duels" and "Galactic Legacy" mods for Jedi Academy, as well as the Dark Alliance Trilogy that is mixed between Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy. There's also the massive "Thrawn's Revenge" mod for Empire at War, which goes through each era of the GCW. There's also a submod that extends the time period to the Yuuzhan Vong War. Edit: Oh, and there's also Escape: Yavin IV for Jedi Academy.

[@LeftytheGansterGremlin]

I do hope you're not referring to Star Wars theory. Dude's a complete manchild.

[@hunterjosey8009]

Pente patrol has consistent what ifs on his channel. Much better than Star wars theory

[@majorpwner241]

I suspect they are not doing it solely for cash, but there is passion involved. There is no passion at Disney. No love, no talent, no careful craftsmanship - just the bottom line. The soulless money grubbing endless quest for cash.

[@jimhalpert0]

The sad thing is that there will still be those fans who will support whatever garbage is thrown out from whatever franchise.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

💯

[@Sraye]

the unthinking "good vibes only" sort of one-brain-cell consumer

[@r0bw1l73]

They’re not fans. They’re consoomers.

[@seb1520]

I think those fans are only growing thinner and thinner. I really don’t know anyone who actually cares about Star Wars anymore or even bothers to watch the show. I have nothing but apathy and I wasn’t even a big Star wars fan to begin with, and I actually enjoyed the Force Awakens and was just curious how everything was being set up. Turns out, even Disney was curious how everything would pan out because nobody knew what the fuck they were doing lol

[@CragusMaximus]

I know a few of them 😢

[@somebloke9067]

I remember when I first found out that Disney had bought the rights to star wars and were making 3 new films with the original cast. My friend was excited at the time and I was unsure because I said to him what were they going to make the films about to which he said whatever they want. Turns out that ‘whatever they want’ was a whole lot of nothing