The Deprogram Episode 91 - Park the Fascist | Back And To The Left #2

[@nuclearocean]

"Ｉｓ ｔｈａｔ ｄｉｆｆｅｒｅｎｔ ｆｒｏｍ Ｇａｎｇｎａｍ Ｓｔｙｌｅ？" - sir JT Secondthought, 2023

[@Flamewarden_Honoushugoshin]

Thank you for the dive into the fascism of the "Republic" of Korea in the south, it's a part of history that often gets omitted in English speaking spaces. Too often you hear people jump straight from the occupation by Japan to "and then the Japanese and Korean economies boomed as productive suppliers for US consumerism", with barely a moment to mention "tHe ThIrTy EiGhTh PaRaLleL", as if that is all that is necessary to understand why there are two States on the Korean peninsula. Even among leftists, it's often easy to fall into an purely "America bad" critique that only focuses on the atrocities committed by the US military during the war, which of course should be denounced as the vile, demonic acts of barbarism they were, and missing the fact that the South Korean leadership really was chosen because they were the most rapid, fascist anti-communists available. If the people of Korea ever want to be whole again, that class of opportunists, and their consequences and inheritors today, will have to be reckoned with.

[@McHobotheBobo]

The USA overthrew the PRK in the South, they and the ROK have no legitimacy

[@channeldud]

"South Korean leadership really was chosen because they were the most rapid, fascist anti-communists available." If you know anything about modern SK history this is totally untrue. When the peninsula was split under a trusteeship after the Japanese were defeated, the US did not have a clear plan as to what Korea would be, mostly because the US did not know what their future relationship with the USSR would be. The USSR had a clear vision of establishing a communist aligned state in Korea and worked towards this goal. While in the South, the future was more open ended because the US did not have a plan yet. They left the previous Japanese administrators in place for a year and a half before they started to manage it themselves while take on Korean apprentices. This meant that all the fractured independence groups that were non-communists, or non-Soviet styled communists, established themselves in the South. The US did not choose any of the SK dictators. From 1945-1950, before the war, people who were distrustful of the USSR or were anti-communists made there way South. There was a lot of political violence that occurred in both the North and South at this time, the communists succeeded in the North because they had the sponsorship of the USSR, while in the South there were many Japanese collaborators, KPG independence members, hypernationalists, and street gangs that were anti-communists. A political divide occurred because there was widespread political persecutions, and people seeking refuge would go to the other side where the oppressing side had no authority due to the "joint" trusteeship. The US did not choose Syngman Rhee, Park Chung Hee, or Chun Doo Hwan. These men came to power because they already succeeded in mobilizing support for themselves. In fact, the relevant American presidents of the time did not like any of these men. The personal relationships between both the SK and American leadership was quite poor during the dictator era of SK. The dominant reason for why the US chose to recognize them was largely because of strategic military importance.

[@greysnake2903]

Indubitably

[@GeorgeDeftereos]

I worked in Korea for a major chaebol. We had morning exercise/company propaganda sessions; the TV in the office would turn itself on at 10am every day. My older coworkers told me how the company used to have haircut regulations (where have we heard that before?). You'd be surprised how many of their mega projects in the 60s and 70s were because of the close relationship between the founder and Park. We made a "shrine" to the founder and the number of photos with him and Park is huge. The relationship still exists today, with a fairly recent president (2MB) having been an exec before going into politics. Thank you for mentioning the warcrimes of South Korean troops in Vietnam. The government likes to paint South Korea as an innocent angel, if not perpetual victims.

[@Huy-G-Le]

This is why my granpa tanks have the word "this machine k*** Fasco" written on it.

[@channeldud]

The South Korean government is aware of the warcrimes committed by its troops in Vietnam and offered reparations to the Vietnamese government, but the Vietnamese government declined. I can't speak to if the event is taught or is brushed off within the SK education system, but it's not in the public consciousness of SK and Vietnam because SK and Vietnam have maintained an amicable positive relationship, making the matter a non issue for both parties.

[@Huy-G-Le]

@@channeldud lmao that is a lie.

[@abbeythorpe4074]

Recommendations at 56:53 Books: - Patriots, Traitors, and Empires by Stephen Gowans - Socialist Korea by Ellen Brun & Jacques Hersh Podcasts: - Blowback, S3 E1-10, first ep is titled "Stop Me Before I Kill Again" - Proles of the Round Table, E11, "The Rich History of the DPRK"

[@Tumatutuma]

Thanks! This comment deserves to be pinned.

[@rachel2935]

As a south korean i can proudly say you guys did a great job 👏

[@Solaris_Paradox]

Park Chung-hee; The poor man's Hitler of East Asia

[@channeldud]

No they didn't this is a highly misconstrued and storied telling of history. The facts are right, but stuff is either omitted or missing as to not interfere with the narrative. Like when saying Park Chung Hee was a weeb cause he took on a Japanese name. During the occupation period, every Korean had a Japanese name, it was mandatory. You can call Park Chung Hee a weeb for a lot of reasons, but this was the worst example chosen.

[@greysnake2903]

Yee

[@basadaa]

these episodes are in a league of their own. full on mini-docs.

[@sunflowersamurai10]

Time for my weekly dose of revolutionary optimism 👌🏿

[@nuclearocean]

The very first joke of this episode had me in tears holy cow

[@hug_bug]

i almost coughed out my lungs lmao

[@insertnamehere1258]

The greatest joke ive heard on this podcast.

[@qoriaparicio1328]

the vietnam war audio with White Rabbit literally gave me chills omg

[@kevinp8882]

“Ain’t no soy sauce killing me!” needs to be merch

[@MiguelFaria96]

I just get so happy when a new episode comes out. Love you all, guys.

[@Realtin_Ravage]

the sound design on this is amazing it felt like I was listening to an audio book version of a documentary Great work gentlemen best podcast to draw to

[@94Pattycake]

You dudes actually covered Kill the Boer !!!!!! I love you ! hahahahhaha,

[@mileswilliams9737]

Opa gangam style! *assassinates a president * op! Op op! Opa gangamrstyle *pulls out the automatic and sprays the cabinet * heeeeey sexy lady! Op! Op op!

[@ClassicalTraining]

Another week, another banger by the Deprogram 🎉 Meanwhile, the style of the episode is like observing a school assignment, but much more relaxed, with based schoolmates and possibly a chilling teacher.

[@illogicalslayer9856]

President Rhee ran unopposed because his oponnent died in Washington last month - radio excerpt. Me: Well that is convenient. President Rhee has died from a accidental bullet to the chest - narration. Me: Well that is convenient. A lot of convenient things happen around dictators.

[@IshtarNike]

Great episode. I think the most frustrating thing for me is that these right wing fascist regimes are considered totally divorced from America and the capitalist system, despite being direct and PURPOSEFUL resuts of both. People are quick to talk about North Korea and Maoist China but the white terror in KMT Taiwan is glossed over. Its treated as a sort of isolated case. Same with the regimes in South Korea. People focus on the economic "miracles" of these regimes but ignore the dictatorships because dictators have become synonymous with "communism." Its a really bullshit revisionist history and its kind of amazing that people, even many many so called leftists, fall into the same pattern of focussing on comminist regimes and ignoring fascist capitalist regimes all sponsored by the leader of the free world, the United States of America!

[@getbonked1917]

I see a new The Deprogram video, I click!

[@ahhlucas]

Yes comrade!

[@YouHaveAnApeHead]

state mandated deprogram viewing

[@red-o7]

This was exceptionally well-prepared through and through! Kudos!

[@penguinpingu3807]

EEF's song is such a banger. Both literally and figuratively.

[@chesbaret]

thank you so much for touching on the EFF stuff its been so hard to deconceptualize this from these settlers i surround myself with

[@Nicholas_is_my_name]

This is superb work guys I didn't expect an episode to be on this topic I'm glad it's dealing with somewhere in Asia

[@joeallen9104]

I was lagging about 20 episodes behind for a while, but once I got some time off a couple of weeks ago, I've finally been able to catch up. It's been great.

[@Nyota7766]

Glorious intro, as always, boys.

[@abibliophobicat_]

I love these history episodes so much!! You all do a wonderful job with the exposition and yet keep it very engaging too😊 habibi talks #3 soon???

[@frostoctane670]

Despite your disdain for anything French, I think you guys would make a great episode about various points of the French resistance during ww2.

[@pennywaldrip3774]

I love your history episodes.

[@Maoistan]

Hanoi Hannah is the Vietnamese lady whose voice was being played to the GI.

[@siukei]

one interesting thing to note about classical chinese philosophy and identity that came to my mind while listening to the segment around the 12 minute mark, Confucius himself has hinted that anyone could become chinese by understanding the classical teachings passed down from the ancient sages

[@roy4173]

Would love to hear you go into additional details on the miracle at Han River. I'm a Korean who has only heard this story from a capitalistic perspective and was really looking for someone to describe what this looks like from a socialist perspective. Thank you for all you do!

[@bolshevikboitoy3587]

A lot of it sounds like the Italian wing of fascism that wasn't as keen on laissez-faire markets as their Nazi or Chilean junta counterparts.

[@ozymandias___868]

Can't wait for my dark cowboy next week. Finally.

[@batbabysitter3533]

The ending song is so outta pocket 😂

[@blessedandbiwithahintofmagic]

I really wanna see an exhaustive list of book recommendations by Hakim - the two noted in this episode seem curious for particular purposes (those interested in modern Korea, and more generally the rise of parts of the modern world) - I wanna see all of the recommendations he has. Our doctor likely has had thousands of books he at least understands, and can likely recommend hundreds of quality books, for a variety of purposes (our other boys as well).

[@thoughtful1233]

1) Hakim being a doctor and busy makes it less likely that he has better political/historical book recommendations than others, and 2) He has videos dedicated to book recommendations on his KZbin channel.

[@jamiemcintosh3030]

I all ready have some of the books he recommended.

[@hoagielamp6543]

He has certainly suggested dozens of books between his channel and the deprogram, someone would just have to watch all his stuff and write the titles down.

[@thoughtful1233]

@@hoagielamp6543 He has book recommendation videos on his channel.

[@unclerico6558]

More episodes like this! Amazing ty!!

[@NintendoConsoleGamer]

Yugopniks comments on Georgians made me realize you guys simply must have Sopo Japaridze on the podcast. She is a Georgian commie who co-hosts a great podcast called Reimagining Soviet Georgia.

[@aceman8156]

Brilliant work

[@CraigKeidel]

"Oops my gun discharged 5 times killing Park, his bodyguard, and 3 others. My bad 😅" - KCIA Agent

[@thoughtteaanna6052]

whenever the intro comes on I automatically catJam and don't even realize it, that's a bop for the ages.

[@JamesJohn-tg2jg]

Thanks

[@eliyahubenysrael6272]

Great discussion!

[@GabrielHellborne]

OI! You lot! You'd better do an August live! I missed you last month.

[@ManatoonProductions]

50:00 The mans really had a big iron on his hip.

[@marcusharris3599]

Love the episode, you guys should have lil bill and or foreign man in a foreign land on

[@_whoknows462]

Bill don’t wanna be on here 😭

[@FrostRare]

It’s important to note how shamelessly desperate the US was to inject “democracy” into Koreans in spite of the fact that those living in the South repeatedly rebelled against the US and even fled to the North. The Korean War erupted when comrades in the South instigated an uprising which compelled the north to unleash their forces across the 38th.

[@milkdrinker7]

the white rabbit bit was pretty sick

[@zaraj22]

I've listened to So much of This podcast the Past few days (To get Thru summer Schoo) that My inside Voices now Sound like Hakim and Yugopnik.. Omygawd.

[@Turdfergusen382]

Yugopnik had wonderful delivery on that Vietnam South Korea but.

[@mileswilliams9737]

I shit you not, I wrote the words "rightoids and normy centrists" and thought, I bet there's a new deprogram up. And it was so. This happened last episode too. Lmao

[@EnverHalilHoxha1917]

Luv ur stuff comrade

[@IshtarNike]

That propaganda announcement is chilling on so mamy levels and for both sides. War is truly terrible and only for the rich and never for the working class.

[@studijasymrov7630]

5:29 *Vaush sounds intensifies

[@Shindai]

What's the song at 28:58? I heard it the other day and couldn't decide whether I liked it so didn't save it, and haven't been able to get it out of my head since :P

[@Alge_]

White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane

[@Ajente02]

I got so addicted (get it? "addicted"? because the song is about drugs?) to this song after the release of _Matrix: Resurrection_ trailer that I listened it on loop for days.

[@tanrzbell]

BRR, PAH!

[@eightiefiv3]

Miracle on the Han episode: yes!! Do it!!

[@ZS-rw4qq]

Yo boys where's the new episode

[@trainzmarcel2074]

i need it

[@ZS-rw4qq]

@@trainzmarcel2074 They blocked one of the best episodes :(

[@trainzmarcel2074]

@@ZS-rw4qq sad

[@ZS-rw4qq]

@@trainzmarcel2074 hey I also posted the link to it, did you see it?

[@jamiemcintosh3030]

No dirty stories of ball-fondling in this episode's intro.

[@jansecj9472]

great ep

[@nerd2814]

Hey folks, been following you three for a while now. If this is of any interest for you, would you do a podcast covering Adam Curtis and his docus, in particular of "Century of the Self" and "Can't Get You Out Of My Head"? Asking this in good faith because I genuinely wonder what you three think of him with your politics.

[@firelordOzai3]

I’m starting to find myself being a bit apprehensive listening to this show because of all the crass humour. It feels like what I imagine being in a frat house must be like

[@graves55]

Cry about it and then grow up. They dont have crass humour you just have baby humor

[@_whoknows462]

Anyone have a good recommendation for books on the Vietnam War?

[@Katyusha780]

All 3 are based 🗿 And great episode!

[@justinwest4923]

No shade to JT and Hakim, but Yugopnik has a fucking knack for this shit, god damn. Idk if that Viet Minh audio was authentic or not, but it was beautiful and chilling.

[@TurdInternational]

If you're talking about the asian accented voice talking to 'GI's', that was Hanoi Hannah, over the top of Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit; 90% sure it's pulled from the game Battlefield Vietnam. Still, chilling is definitely the word.

[@justinwest4923]

@@TurdInternational thank you for this. Somehow, I didn't know about Hanoi Hannah, and I have a new hero now. I found the source of the audio here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3WwmXmkqb-GoNUsi=-5f8YR7lvGw5Sui8 It appears to utilize authentic recordings, which were also used in the game. Thanks again! Now back into the rabbit hole...

[@TurdInternational]

​@@justinwest4923 yeah, i checked after i posted, and that game has a different mashup of the two, and plays other clips during the game which is what mixed me up.

[@RedWaltzo7]

Consuuuuume

[@felixma9192]

CONSOOM

[@thatponybro6940]

ngl, i would've defected in Vietnam because of Hanoi Hannah

[@KarmaPaym3ntPlan]

True Anon

[@glitch349]

What's that music they played?

[@Ajente02]

"White Rabbit", by Jefferson Airplane.

[@jeddafakee91]

He took the name Takeshi 69

[@VegitoBlue202]

Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow. Meow meow Deprogram video!!!

[@matokan219]

One thing I came about was that in an economic sense at least, the puppet state of Manchukuo was pretty much inspired by the USSR mainly because a lot of officials were communists and socialists from Japan since there were not enough educated people. It would be a good to make a discussion about to what extent this was the case.

[@zainmudassir2964]

It was mainly modelled after Meiji reforms. Of course the Japanese settlers were main beneficiaries and locals were brutalized and forced to accept Japanese culture and language just to survive

[@phileas007]

that vietnam war audio intro is 10/10. If I had to guess: music is from sucker punch and the PA is from the far cry 5 DLC

[@charlieshaw1500]

Leftist news chamnels are dropping fast on youtube. Everytime i gain one, i lose two. Leaving me fewer sources. What should i do ?

[@dandelion_fritters]

30 minutes! Wooo! Haven’t had my coffee (anti-bitch juice) yet! Tis a good morning indeed…

[@tristonthompson8887]

early gang lets go

[@kobemop]

Park was not a fascist, he was just a military Bonapartist.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

That's like saying the silkworm and the silk moth don't belong to the same species.

[@kobemop]

@@nihilismful 1) I'm actually a communist (and vehemently anti-fascist, I'm just realistic in calling the shots). 2) You probably also view Trump as being a "fascist" I guess too, lol. 3) You probably call everyone under the sun that slightly disagrees with you as a "fascist."

[@kobemop]

@@minhducnguyen9276 you're appropriating the term fascism, this would lead to it watering down. This is not good in the long term.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@kobemop I don't need to appropriate shit. They work on the same core principles, just different stages of development. There is no watering down when it is what it is. If you are actually communist you wouldn't have to explain the difference between them because there's nothing different. Don't try to lecture me when you have no argument to back it up.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

​@@kobemopDefending fascists is not good in the long term.

[@idfk1837]

so happy i have been banned from your discord and Reddit

[@cort8313]

oh my god!!! im first!!!! ill just say it. park was based. stop being a liberal.

[@redlion45]

Your brain must be as smooth as a bowling ball

[@slowerpanther2463]

Why do you support dictators?

[@kobemop]

@@slowerpanther2463 you do realize that you're on a "tankie" podcast channel?

[@Moody.Smiruai]

@@kobemop dont these guys support democracy tho?

[@kobemop]

@@Moody.Smiruai Yes, but obviously not the same way as liberal "democracies."

[@Darloss9508]

Let s goo