Eating for disease reversal and planetary health with Dr Michael Klaper

Bear with me as I blush over Dr, Michael Klaper coming on to my podcast, one of my favorite plant-based physicians for over a decade. It takes me a few minutes to get all the “thank you’s” out of my system before we dive into an inspiring conversation about not only the science but the logic of plant-based eating for everything - for your health, the health of the planet that our children and future generations will grow up on, and for the animals.
Dr. Klaper is a general practitioner, a 40+ year vegan, and a picture of health. At 74 years old Klaper shares evidence based nutrition with his youthful enthusiasm and has decades of experience reversing patients chronic illness to thrive with plant-based nutrition and integrative medicine. He now lectures at medical schools across the country to empower the next generation of doctors to better heal their patients with plant-predominant nutrition and lifestyle changes to get to the root cause rather than just treating the symptom..
In this episode dr. Klaper passionately covers
- His vegan story and life growing up on a dairy farm
- The basics of how to eat when transitioning to a plant-based diet
- Dairy, is it good for you? What about raw unpasteurized dairy?
- chronic illness and disease in America and how it’s largely from diet and lifestyle factors
- why there is so much confusion about what’s best for our health and conflicting information
- His thoughts on grass fed, free range and regenerative grazing animal products
- Animal agriculture’s impact on pollution, the climate and overall planetary health
- What about the farmers? If the masses switched to plant-based what will happen to the farmers?
- The Moving Medicine Forward Initiative to create a nutritional awakening among a new generation of doctors.
- Plant-Based Telehealth as a model of health-care for now and the future
- What keeps him going and motivated and not giving up out of frustration
WHERE TO FIND DR. MICHAEL KLAPER
website: www.doctorklap...
Moving Medicine Forward: www.doctorklap...
Plant Based Telehealth: plantbasedtele...
Instagram: / doctorklaper
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[@andreea.cristina.popescu]

WOW! You both are such angels... Thank you for changing my life!! 4 years vegan going strong! 💪

[@oliviad464]

This interview was so deep and utterly beautiful! What a man, and what a legacy!

[@txla4878]

This man is literally changing the future. His contribution to a healthier planet is greatly appreciated! Thank you for providing this amazing information. I’m pescatarian but have been trying to go vegan for the past 2 years!! So motivated after watching this!! 💛💛💛

[@BlueSky-uu6et]

You can do it😊

[@laurieanne9712]

You can do it! Watch SEASPIRACY. Hope that will be the changer.

[@thegypseagirl]

Such an incredible interview, I’m so inspired to start my plant based diet ❤️🌍🌱

[@charmaineroper9227]

Such a great interview! Amazing conversation and just left me feeling really happy.

[@aleahchittum1520]

Such a smart, kind man with an amazing heart! I wish more people could hear this. One of my favorite podcasts yet

[@thevaughns8042]

Loooovvvveeeeddd alll the knowledge he shared on this episode! I love how much he cares about the future of our families! He’s changing generations to come!!! ❤️

[@kjfacilities-maint]

Dr. Klaper is awesome!

[@tofutwister]

this collab is iconic 🌱

[@melissacondon]

Dr. Klaper seems to have such a kind spirit! Wonderful interview.

[@amandaheckeler9434]

Ellen's podcast is motivating to meet new people. I'm fascinated with everyone, I literally watch it at least 3 time. So amazing to watch!

[@MO-xm1kj]

Outstanding Information and interview! Eileen you are doing a great job!

[@monikadodik]

I love him! Thank you for interviewing him!

[@whynot3860]

I learned so much from listening to this episode!

[@kimmorris5982]

Such an amazing podcast and such an amazing man! I loved this, Ellen!!!

[@MsPants1632]

Great conversation Ellen! I am loving all of your podcasts! Dr Klaper is really special ☺️. I could feel your excitement in getting to speak to him!! 💕

[@sXePunkV2]

I've never heard of this guy but he seems like a wonderful man, so articulate and a wonderful storyteller

[@nikkia7020]

This is awesome! Such powerful information. Thank you!

[@stephybartholomae6207]

this was so helpful to watch and remind myself of. I started making videos with our family to inspire others. but a vegan/plant based diet goes so much further than that, being educated on health and able to answer questions when people ask/accuse is also so important. I keep telling people to watch your podcasts & videos because YOU had such a big impact on my life and our family Ellen

[@tiffanywilkerson5569]

I strongly agree with everything he's saying, I've been vegan almost 5 years but I recently got my permaculture design cert and I can't help but notice how animals are tied into the health of the land. They're part of the cycle, their manure and other processes help grow healthy crops. Should they just be kept as farm pets? For manure production? What do you do with all the eggs if anyone else keeps chickens as composters?

[@rdsginia7499]

I’m overwhelmed with gratitude for this podcast, Ellen. I was back to mostly plant-based with some meat and dairy. After watching this video, I’m switching back to plant-based with occasional cheese and eggs. I plan to eventually go completely plant-based after I learn more recipes and nutrition within a plant-based diet. You’ve been a huge inspiration. Thank you!

[@user-vn6xo2tc9r]

So informative! Thank you for sharing!!! ✨

[@loriwilliams2167]

Thelma and Louise is one of my favorites movies ! I'm 60 :) Wonderful discussion

[@SherryEllesson]

I love this guy and his message, and yes - the place to do the most good is with Med students right from the jump. The number of docs who are unwilling to look for something better than sentencing their patients to a foreshortened lifespan filled with Big Pharma backing is truly sickening. I am encouraged that vegetarianism has gone mainstream over the past 20 years, but it's not enough and it's not happening fast enough.

[@kanelliscalcoyannis2692]

So good someone is going to educate Dr's.

[@Lisaaaaaaq]

I love your podcasts Ellen! 😍😍😍

[@kaitlintalamantes9475]

I love this!!

[@edenbenson3782]

I had never heard of food subsidies before. Whoah. Thanks for the enlightenment.

[@veganbyday3771]

I can only give one thumbs up :)?!?! Love this man!

[@julieadams2455]

I worked on a dairy farm, it opened my eyes, its true the cow bellowing and crying for hours , trying to break the gates down to get to their baby. When I told people about it they had no idea that's how we get cows milk. Most people don't know this. Thanks for your message.

[@11trickyrick]

The farmers say that the mother cow can sit or step on the calf therefore one of the reasons the calf’s are taken away. Is there any truth to this?

[@edithtierce8209]

@@11trickyrickNo it is so the calf doesn’t drink all of the milk… BUT not all dairy farms are like this though it is mostly how all of the largest producers are… My family has owned a dairy for generations in Minnesota and they do not run their dairy in the way you described. It eats into profits if you are trying to produce for big corporations who are corrupt and generally put unreasonable demands on farmers. They also demand way too many things are done in the name of “health” of the milk. It’s all disgusting tbh. If a person is buying from a smaller dairy… This is not what is going on. No cows are screaming and crying in agony at my family’s dairy…

[@nikkidoria9625]

I love this. Very great show from the both of you. He has such a kind, beautiful spirit while delivering the hard truth in such a logical way!

[@kristenespinales5683]

Such an inspiring podcast! Thank you Ellen and Dr. Klapper for contributing to a brighter future for our children and this planet.

[@jacindablair8685]

Yes! Loving your podcasts!!!! Please make one on homeschooling!! 🥰

[@jessijames2384]

She talks about homeschooling on her KZbin channel. They are pretty good. Great ideas.

[@jacindablair8685]

@@jessijames2384 Yes I know! I would enjoy more in - depth talks on the podcast!

[@jessijames2384]

@@jacindablair8685 hahaha yes I totally agree. I love that she made a podcast. Don’t you just feel like sometimes you wish she could talk longer and go more in-depth on her KZbin family channel?! Lol She’s made for a podcast! You totally know she will for sure make a homeschooling episode! That’s her life and a lot of us follow her and take so many ideas from her. 💜💜💜Ellen start planning 😘💜💜💜

[@lovelycasita3664]

Thank you for introducing me to Dr. Kapler! Just by looking at how vibrant he looks at his age is enough to see why plant based vegan lifestyle is the way to go.

[@Bohlaleinabowl]

I feel.....less bleak about our future and definitely more inspired to keep talking about plant-based health and benefits for ALL! This was SO moving and I am grateful for this work. I will keep doing my part too

[@KandBacres]

This really needs to be seen on a great scale particularly his part about the planet and the future of today's youth

[@Moriah7913]

Dr. Klaper is one of my heroes. His vision and wisdom is beautiful.

[@littlelana696]

Oh my gosh, what an incredible man. The ending is the best. I’m so inspired to change

[@Heatherrenee424]

His smile is contagious! 💜✨

[@taylorlaverdiere2463]

I count down to these next episodes! I lovee the every two week schedule! You’re so hard working flying in guests and maintaining that posting schedule. Who’s your next guest I hope they are close by. You work so well in a short time frame. Can’t wait for the hot button topics. I LOVED how you included the question about raw dairy. It would be so cool if on the forum or on insta we could ask two or three questions from your audience if you ever need ideas! One I’m always curious about is soy. :) your mom’s question and his answer made me tear up a little this guy is a big cuddly bear

[@traveler65]

Thank you Dr. Klaper for all you do! Thanks for having him as a guest Ellen. 🥰🌱👍

[@ladyjennyver6303]

I am a patient at his plant based telehealth and I highly recommend. Seeing a doctor that aligns with your beliefs and actually cares to help you become healthier makes all the difference.

[@marissa9747]

This talk was amazing!! Everyone needs to see this!

[@brittanykosek3880]

I absolutely love that Ellen had him as a guest on her podcast. It was absolutely amazing what he had to say . I feel like this discussion was very powerful an moving.

[@Amanda-ye9xd]

I wish people would look into regenerative farming. It includes raising animals of course, but in a more natural way, aswell as crop rotation and planting crops that suck the carbon dioxide out of the air. It's a win win, helps the top soil, better for the planet, and keeps people fed. I also really wish people would address that there aren't any cultures that are 100% vegan. Our ancestors evolved to eat meat, although I would agree not nearly the quantities that the average American eats now. Even blue zones eat animal products, more fish and eggs rather than red meat. In my opinion based on research, going completely vegan isn't the answer, but I can definitely find common ground that we eat WAY to many animal products and we should be eating WAY more plant based foods.

[@christinaanaya8021]

So awesome Dr. Kaplan on I’m so happy he is speaking with other Doctors regarding plant based to heal many people 🙏🙏🙏❤️

[@kmiklec]

Really loving dr Klapper he really imbodies what he preaches with his energy. Loving Hellen wonderfull inspiring woman

[@janetballew8866]

This was a wonderful podcast. So informative and so very well done. Thank you!

[@allymichelle2255]

I loved listening to this 💙 I can’t wait for more! Dr. Klaper is such an amazing person. I could listen to him speak all day.

[@ConnieThorman]

Dr. Klaper is an amazing human! I pray that everyone listens to this podcast!! Thanks, Ellen :)

[@a.cathybeatty9531]

An amazing interview.

[@rutamalkovaite-simasiene2213]

It's actually crazy that this man is getting only such few views comparing to the value of the information he's giving. People would rather stay ignorant and sick and eat crap for the rest of their lives.

[@tanyaemmanuel8868]

So passionate and inspiring! 💜

[@BethShearon]

I love Dr. Klaper and have been through his Moving Medicine Forward Master Class in Plant-Based Clinical Nutrition -- not only for doctors -- it is an amazing program

[@melissacondon]

I would be so interested to see an episode about "ex-vegans" at some point...like, what are some of the most common pitfalls that people seem to experience on a plant based lifestyle, and tips to avoid falling into those issues! I commonly hear people cite gut issues and bioavailability of various nutrients as reasons for shying away from plant based eating. I think it would be great to hear your perspective on this since you have maintained a vegan lifestyle successfully for so long, whereas many others have fallen away especially in recent years.

[@erikamubismolak8564]

Thank you both 👍❤️ such a lovely interview 🌱

[@brittanycapizzi9578]

I loved this so much!! I watched it twice, the second time with my husband. And then told my kids all about it. And now, I’ve convinced the whole family to go plant based! 🙌♥️ thank you so much for this!!! You are amazing!!

[@lucianas4919]

I really enjoyed this podcast Ellen, thank you to both you as well as Dr. Michael Klaper!

[@okay44444]

Omg at the baby cow and mama part and I am crying 😭 😭😭😭😫

[@stargazerbird]

It’s true. I live next to a farm and they call all day and night for days. Sometimes you hear the calves calling back. Dairy is the most cruel animal produce.

[@okay44444]

@@stargazerbird yes 😞 it is so sad. Poor babies

[@phoenixroque]

That’s so heartbreaking.

[@looduses5960]

It is so good to hear that someone speaks me... where I am right now...alone, almost panicking how far human being has gone...I feel like I have to do something...it is ridiculous what air I/we breathe and how I don’t want to support city life...I feel betrayed because I don’t have my body as healthy as it should be. It’s gone too far...I’m sad so sad...I just don’t know how to get out of this (these overwhelming feelings)...thank you!!

[@SherryEllesson]

Veterinary students have to take nutrition classes and some other sciences that are not required for medical school. We used to console friends in the pre-vet program that if they tried three times to get into vet school and couldn't get accepted, "Well, there's always med school."

[@gayedilber4487]

Woww what an amazing eye opening conversation!!! I got teared up at the end when you asked what keeps him going, Doctor has so much passion, I could feel it❤️❤️❤️ Thankyou both for this beautiful and enlightening conversation ✨✨❤️

[@elleelle5429]

This is amazing Ellen :) what an inspirational man. Best podcast yet x

[@belladazzi]

Everything about this 🙌🏼

[@afwifekari]

My MIL is on high blood pressure meds, has had two strokes and is obese and using a wheelchair because of her obesity and knows it’s her diet but absolutely won’t even consider a change. She tries to get us to order her cookies, candy bars in bulk etc. She is in a nursing home because she kept falling. We’ve tried to be compassionate but I don’t understand why she doesn’t care. She is only 63. So, I think Dr’s know that there are people who will refuse to change their diet even when truly uncomfortable, very ill and one foot in the grave. I don’t get understand it and it’s very sad but you can’t force change and that’s when a Dr has to give pills instead.

[@themortimerclan2187]

Amazing interview! People NEED to hear this, keep spreading the word 💚

[@alanbryer6234]

100%organic whole food and plant based along with fasting and therapeutic psychedelics.. and our Earth will love us again. Bless us all🙏🏽

[@Maria-ob4kj]

I just can say: Wow. I feel sorry that I just didn’t know it all before. Love the video

[@daisyw.7080]

Amazing podcast!,

[@laceywhitehead9342]

I started the pant based way of eating just for my health but the more I learn about how much the dairy and meat industries are wrecking the planet and how unethical they are.. the more my “why” expands past health.

[@universpresent9845]

I eat vegetarian diet for 6 years now. After this video I'm seriously considering going vegan... Hard to escape cheese in France. Big nice project in front of me. Thank you.

[@itsevelinakp]

Truly amazing was to listen to this, I've been vegan for 2 years and can't imagine not living this lifestyle ❤️

[@joanamnt1686]

Amazing Dr, amazing interview! Thank you Dr klaper.

[@chanicep9676]

The best podcast so far! So much better - Great job Ellen !

[@jenniferbowersock6624]

Such a powerful session! Thank you!

[@panes840]

I had the pleasure of meeting this incredible Dr, who has the most amazing soul, he is delightful, he has the most caring manner. I met him for all of 5 minutes and had my picture taken with him at the Vegan Camp Out in the UK a few years ago. I honestly think vegans need to sit up and listen to Drs like him because sadly, the omnivores are waiting on the sidelines to see if our health fails JUST SO they can blame anything, anything that may go wrong health wise on the plant based diet. Its pathetic they fo this I know, but regardless, don't give them the opportunity to try.

[@nicoles.higginbotham8984]

Waiting for kids at the school & this pops up.. here we go, so excited 🥰

[@sophiekloppsowa1138]

i could listen to him for hours and would know more about him and his life and how his family/wife reacted to his change of life and lifelessons he can share. Your podcast is simply amazing, thanks for sharing

[@the-purple-life]

That was an amazing conversation! I really enjoyed this.

[@bellis7772]

This episode, Ellen, is for me what 'The greatest speech you'll ever hear' is to you. And that is about the greatest compliment there is...! Thank you both - it really moved me❤

[@giuliac5318]

So, so, SO inspiring! Thank you Ellen!

[@A.Anne.Aurora]

Thank you Ellen for this interview, it really touched my heart ♥️ Dr Kapler is such a sweetheart. I needed to be reminded for such wiseness. And a strong head on his shoulders . I will rewatch it again ☺️ Much love 💕

[@laylaverbance4673]

Yay! I love Dr. Klaper ❤️❤️❤️ He’s such an amazing man 🌹 well done Ellen🙏🏼

[@nohemigallegojewell6379]

Amazing! So inspiring 🥺🙏🏽💚

[@ariasworld9991]

Loooovveeeee you both 😍😍👏👏👏👏 amazing episode !!!!!

[@mdkyek]

Fabulous interview so important to finally hit the medical system with the nutritional knowledge, long time due. Thank you 💕

[@justedgars3347]

Very useful information. I really enjoyed this podcast! 🌱🌳

[@artemis1style]

I've met him here in Aotearoa/NZ. He's a nice man 🙂

[@ishstarnolasco5888]

Wow! I was so encouraged with this interview! I’m in remission from breast cancer and been practicing vegan plant based whole food life 90 percent of the time, for about a year,I guess you can say I’m transitioning still lol I really want to be 100 percent and this is what I needed to hear! Thank you so much! ❤️

[@LivingUnconventionally]

Love this! The info about nutrition not being on the board exam is absolutely infuriating… dr klaper and ellen - you would LOVE dr Michael Gregger and his book “how not to die”… changed my life

[@sophieosborne4322]

Just incredible!! Good job Ellen you work so hard to share whit everyboby and you deserve everything that happen. I LOVED that interviews and i'm gone a share it whit all my client as a Naturopath. Sorry for my writing i'm frech. Thank you whit all my heart you are the best xoxo

[@smallfootprint2961]

Hi Ellen. This is the first time I found your pod cast. I heard you talk about it on your KZbin channel, but didn't know how to get the broadcasts. So glad to hear this wonderful interview. Thank you for bringing this great man to us.

[@hayleysunnex1208]

What a sweet, kind, intelligent man 🙏 Amazing interview, SO inspiring as to how we can all help our planet 🌱 I'm grateful for all that you both do 🥰 Thank you!!

[@aubrytrude]

💚🌎🌱

[@reynachavez608]

This video shifted my thinking about food. Thank you Ellen!!!

[@Marie_G.]

I agree and so far I'm half way through.

[@vklaus8702]

I'm sooo excited. I love Dr. Klaper. Looking forward to make some time and tea and listen this episode. EDIT: Ellen, you doing podcasts was such a great idea! Wishing you the best and a lot of success!

[@kareno6222]

Dr Klaper is a stand up guy. So much of this is rational thinking. Thank you for being the voice of reason ☺️

[@laurena1004]

I thoroughly enjoyed this! Such crucial information!!

[@Kmbrn84]

How did I not know about this man??? Thank you for having him Ellen!

[@samspantsandplants]

I swear I could feel my brain growing as I listening to this one! This is my favorite episode so far. They've all been great, but I can see myself listening to this one over and over ❤️